--- Day changed --- Log opened Tue Apr 11 23:59:03 2006 00:41 < TheFirst> ughness...looks like the thrashers returned 00:43 < taupehat> O RLY? 00:43 < taupehat> perhaps 00:44 < TheFirst> Timing buffered disk reads: 20 MB in 3.36 seconds = 5.96 MB/sec 00:44 < taupehat> but usage seems acceptable 00:44 < taupehat> plus caker is hard at work building new lart tools 00:46 < taupehat> ahh 00:46 < taupehat> news article about my workplace 00:46 < taupehat> http://www.rogueriverpress.com/news/story.cfm?story_no=2367 00:48 < warewolf> YA RLY 00:48 < taupehat> heh 00:49 < taupehat> it still passes the spacebar test 00:49 < TheFirst> so does my irssi ... oh wait i'm not running it on xen :P 00:49 < taupehat> heh 00:49 < taupehat> I am =P 00:50 * TheFirst has too much perl stuff...would chew up the node 00:50 < taupehat> nah 00:51 < taupehat> it's pretty well-behaved 00:51 < warewolf> perl++ 00:51 < taupehat> I've run it on my node since it was a /64 00:51 < taupehat> perl-- 00:51 < warewolf> ahem 00:51 < taupehat> fat piggish thing 00:51 < warewolf> perl++ 00:51 < taupehat> http://www.taupehat.com/images/misc/burp.jpg 00:51 < taupehat> ahem 00:51 < warewolf> no. 00:51 < taupehat> yes. 00:51 < warewolf> do not argue with me bo 00:51 < warewolf> +y 00:51 < TheFirst> did problem? 00:51 < gpd> now now - play nice 00:51 < TheFirst> oh wait that was actually 2 people 00:51 < taupehat> the only thing good about perl is that it's not as much a resource whore as java 00:52 < TheFirst> yah my irssi is chewing up 15M resident...noway i'd throw that on a node 00:52 < taupehat> heh 00:52 < warewolf> the greatest and (at the same time) worst part about perl is CPAN. 00:52 < taupehat> I guess perl is a decent text-ripper, but damn 00:52 < taupehat> heh 00:52 < gpd> 2421 gpd 15 0 7516 1516 864 S 0.0 1.3 0:13.43 irssi 00:52 < taupehat> cpan is nice enough, but god, the syntax 00:52 < gpd> 1.5M not 15... 00:53 < warewolf> Acme::Magpie is /the shit/. 00:53 < TheFirst> gpd: like i said...got like 10K lines of perl code loaded 00:53 < warewolf> TheFirst: wow 00:53 < taupehat> 1580 me 15 0 9452 6112 3376 S 0 5.0 0:07.61 irssi 00:53 < taupehat> 3.3 megs 00:54 < warewolf> TheFirst: what did you do, write your own EMACS in perl in irssi? 00:54 < taupehat> hehe 00:54 < taupehat> no joke 00:54 < gpd> what is all that perl doing for you? 00:54 < warewolf> what on earth do you have in irssi in perl in 10K lines?! 00:54 < warewolf> is it some eliza bot? 00:54 < warewolf> or an xdcc server? 00:54 < TheFirst> lots of misc. things... 00:54 < warewolf> or a mud? 00:54 * taupehat has two addon scripts for his irssi 00:54 < warewolf> how about a SOAP interface to amazon? 00:54 < TheFirst> quote triggers, some customizing stuff, etc 00:54 < taupehat> chansort.pl and anotherway.pl 00:54 < taupehat> both essential, lightweight, and all I need 00:55 < warewolf> my irssi (now) is strictly defaults 00:55 < TheFirst> neither of which i use :P 00:55 < warewolf> back when I opered I had a perl script that would kill a client on-join to a channel (to rid the network of botnets) 00:55 < taupehat> warewolf: I used to be there, but I've got enough channels that the chansort is useful 00:55 < taupehat> err 00:55 < taupehat> TheFirst I mean 00:55 < warewolf> it had a nasty side effect that caused irssi to segfault once in a blue moon 00:55 < taupehat> and anotherway is handy for logging 00:56 < TheFirst> eh talking about lots of chans....irssi needs more than 20 window binds...i've used those all up :P 00:56 < taupehat> you can set it to auto-away (without spamming everyone of the event, thanks), and when you type, it auto-backs, and echoes all highlights onto the console 00:56 < gpd> I still can't quite believe that Xen doesn't have IO handling built in 00:56 < warewolf> holy shit 00:56 < taupehat> gpd: it will soon =] 00:56 < warewolf> http://www.google.com/firefox?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official 00:57 < gpd> soon! 3.0.2 baby 00:57 < warewolf> no 00:57 < warewolf> er 00:57 < warewolf> http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3149323&did=1 00:57 < warewolf> -what- the fuck 00:57 < taupehat> hehe 00:57 < warewolf> hookers in Second Life? 00:57 < gpd> wtf are they playing at 00:57 < taupehat> yeah 00:57 < taupehat> ain't that leet 00:57 * taupehat does not do these social networking games 00:57 < taupehat> no WoW, thanks 00:57 < taupehat> no myspace 00:57 < taupehat> no secondlife 00:57 < warewolf> I play WoW 00:57 < taupehat> hell, I'm still working on FirstLife 00:57 < taupehat> as in GetALife 00:57 < warewolf> it's fun when you don't have to pay for it 8-) 00:58 < TheFirst> that all as taupehat is racing to the call girl game ;P 00:58 < taupehat> haha 00:58 < warewolf> the guy who runs my guild pays for my wow fix 00:58 * taupehat gets play when he wants it 00:58 < taupehat> but for gaming, I'm a neanderthal 00:58 < TheFirst> pc gaming == the crap ever since it got to the point of requiring a small fortune 00:58 < gpd> is second life catching on? 00:58 < taupehat> point, click, frag 00:59 < gpd> taupehat: any tips - i am of a similar mind... last played F.E.A.R and CoDuty 1 00:59 < gpd> Quake 4 linux demo was shite - no thanks 00:59 < taupehat> heh 00:59 < warewolf> speaking of 00:59 < gpd> Half Life 2 = fantastico 00:59 < taupehat> the reason I own quake4 is because it will be extended 00:59 < taupehat> just like quake3 was 00:59 < warewolf> how in the fuck did quake 4 get in the store w/o me knowing about it? 00:59 < taupehat> haha 00:59 < taupehat> warewolf: with a linux client, even 00:59 < warewolf> I mean 00:59 < warewolf> I was all over doom3 00:59 < taupehat> haha 00:59 < taupehat> god, what a fiasco that was 01:00 < taupehat> 2v2 MP??? 01:00 < taupehat> wtf! 01:00 < TheFirst> geeze you call q4 neanderthal gaming? 01:00 < warewolf> id software doens't release a new game and people not know about it 01:00 < warewolf> it's all hype 01:00 < taupehat> TheFirst: I call it "old school" 01:00 < TheFirst> last pc game i played extensively was prolly duke3d 01:00 < taupehat> hehe 01:00 < gpd> Best game for level of enjoyment : Prince of Theives SoT - not tried the more recent ones 01:00 < warewolf> holy shit 01:00 < taupehat> hmm 01:00 < warewolf> duke3d 01:00 < taupehat> fear is the most promising current game I see 01:00 < warewolf> I used to play that ALL DAY LONG at work when I worked at an ISP 01:01 < taupehat> although I am afraid it will end up being a one-off like farcry was 01:01 < TheFirst> hehe duke3d was at the tail end for me....doom/doom2 were my thing 01:01 < warewolf> I could accurately describe my job as "Answer the phone, play duke3d all day" 01:01 < gpd> ever play Rise of the Triads? 01:01 < taupehat> very promising, ahead of the time, but that's all it ever is 01:01 < gpd> the comedy F1 voice keys were funny 01:01 < TheFirst> rise of the triad was fun 01:01 < gpd> over NULL modem with mate in next door room 01:01 < taupehat> gpd: obviously you've never played urbanterror 01:01 < taupehat> man 01:01 < gpd> nope 01:01 < taupehat> UrT had the funniest radio calls 01:02 < taupehat> it's still played rather fanatically 01:02 < taupehat> q3 mod 01:02 < TheFirst> remember upgrading my original modem (300) to a 9600 to play doom 01:02 < taupehat> realism-based CTF 01:02 < warewolf> WARNING 01:02 < warewolf> WARNING 01:02 < warewolf> TheFirst is SHOWING HIS AGE 01:02 < taupehat> they took out the best radio bind of all though 01:02 < warewolf> WARNING 01:02 < taupehat> "He's as dead as fried chicken, baby!" 01:02 < TheFirst> warewolf: uh bet i'm younger than you :P 01:02 < warewolf> the slowest modem I ever used was 2400 baud 01:03 < taupehat> heh 01:03 * taupehat had an acoustic coupler 01:03 < warewolf> the slowest modem I've ever touched was 150 baud. 01:03 < warewolf> it had switches. 01:03 < gpd> I dreamed of modems 01:03 < gpd> in my day... 01:03 < TheFirst> warewolf: whats your age then ;) 01:03 < taupehat> TheFirst: think hills 01:03 < warewolf> TheFirst: 25 8-) 26 in about a month. 01:03 < TheFirst> yup you're older 01:03 < taupehat> ok 01:04 < taupehat> note to self: email addresses do NOT contain commas! 01:04 < TheFirst> and if i was trying to show age i'd pull out the ti 99/4a out of the closet 01:04 < warewolf> taupehat: they can 01:04 < taupehat> warewolf: I guess 01:04 < warewolf> TheFirst: cool 01:04 < warewolf> TheFirst: I have one too. 01:04 < taupehat> but not in between the yahoo and com 01:04 < TheFirst> i've got 2 01:04 < warewolf> er 01:04 < TheFirst> was the first machine i coded on 01:04 < warewolf> actually I have two aswell 01:04 < warewolf> the /4A and the /4 01:04 < TheFirst> got the casette storage thing... 01:04 < taupehat> heh 01:05 < warewolf> WELCOME 01:05 < warewolf> TO 01:05 * taupehat beats you young'uns over the head with his pdp/8 01:05 < warewolf> TEXAS INSTRUMENTS 01:05 < warewolf> BASIC 01:05 < warewolf> [] color bar [] 01:05 < taupehat> oh also 01:05 < taupehat> I had a fucking _sinclair_ 01:05 < taupehat> now that little thing was alternately hilarious and amazing 01:05 < gpd> I had a Vic20! 01:05 < taupehat> peh 01:05 < warewolf> I own you all. 01:05 < warewolf> I have a linode. 01:06 < warewolf> REPREZHUNT 01:06 < taupehat> my first computer was an Ohio Scientific 2000 01:06 < gpd> taupehat: the rubber keys? 01:06 < taupehat> google that 01:06 < taupehat> gpd: yeah, with tokenized input 01:06 < taupehat> hit G and it'd echo GOTO 01:06 < taupehat> etc 01:06 < gpd> yup - that was the one :) 01:06 < taupehat> which was useful because those damn keys were hard as hell to press 01:06 < taupehat> and tiny 01:07 < taupehat> the guy across the street from us ran a medium-sized business off his 01:07 < taupehat> did all his invoicing, etc 01:07 < taupehat> spreadsheets 01:07 < taupehat> had every add-on that Timex ever made for it 01:07 < gpd> taupehat: are you the hairsuit gentleman in the picture with the red face overlayed? 01:07 < taupehat> they made a thermal printer for it 01:07 < taupehat> wha? 01:08 < gpd> from that site you linked to last week 01:08 < taupehat> gpd: ??? 01:08 < taupehat> which one? 01:08 < gpd> "I ahve been quoted" 01:08 < taupehat> god 01:08 < taupehat> nfi 01:08 < taupehat> link? 01:08 * taupehat used to get in gimp wars, so it's entirely possible 01:08 * gpd is looking 01:11 < gpd> http://www.feenode.net/ 01:11 < taupehat> HAHAHAA!!!! 01:11 < gpd> looks a bit like our sysadmin 01:11 < taupehat> mp 01:11 < taupehat> no 01:11 < taupehat> that would be Robert Levin, aka "lilo" 01:12 < taupehat> click the picture to see it in the original context 01:12 < gpd> right - i see that now 01:12 < gpd> but you will forever be that man to me :) 01:12 < taupehat> god no 01:12 < taupehat> I look nothing like that man 01:12 < taupehat> thank God 01:12 < TheFirst> that annoying bass turd that globals way more than is warrented on freenode...that lilo? :P 01:13 < taupehat> TheFirst: yep 01:13 < taupehat> the very same 01:13 < taupehat> mikegrb's best friend 01:13 < taupehat> 01:14 < warewolf> holy shit 01:14 < warewolf> people in second life are fucking strange 01:14 < warewolf> "I recorded myself masturbating so I could chop it to bits and bring it into second life" 01:15 < gpd> what is linuxcare - it seems to be levanta 01:15 < gpd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linuxcare 01:15 < warewolf> CGW: Are male escorts common? 01:15 < warewolf> TH: Females outweigh males. Maybe male escorts are more prominent in the furry communities 01:15 < taupehat> linuxcare folded a while ago 01:15 < taupehat> iirc 01:15 < warewolf> THERE WE GO 01:15 < warewolf> That's why I won't touch SL. 01:15 < warewolf> there's an ENTIRE FUCKING ISLAND DEDICATED TO FURRIES 01:16 < taupehat> aahaha!!! 01:16 < warewolf> I shit you not 01:16 < taupehat> at least they've shoved them off and out of everyone else's hair 01:16 < warewolf> they have like three main islands 01:16 < warewolf> taupehat: ba-da-bing 01:16 < taupehat> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0102/sonicboomplane_navy_big.jpg 01:17 < gpd> psychologist postdoc friend of mine was telling me about this WoW freakazoid who couldn't speak to real ppl 01:17 < gpd> he had done some weird acts with animals and had retreated into WoW 01:17 < gpd> hadn't spoken to a real human for years 01:19 < taupehat> hmm 01:19 < taupehat> google no longer returns any pictures of me 01:19 * taupehat thinks this is a good thing 01:20 < taupehat> haha 01:20 < taupehat> yahoo found one! 01:20 < taupehat> old, too 01:21 < taupehat> haha 01:21 < taupehat> from my last job 01:21 < taupehat> http://www.phoenix.k12.or.us/tech/picture$11 01:21 < taupehat> there, if gpd is still wondering 01:21 < taupehat> just to prove that I look nothing at all like lilo 01:22 * taupehat thinks that lilo looks like the visual personification of the dude gpd just described that has doggy love 01:24 < gpd> hmm... lilo looks more like a real geek 01:24 < taupehat> the bites-the-heads-off-chickens kind, yes, I agree 01:25 < gpd> meanwhile... Xen... 01:25 < TheFirst> taupehat: stoner! 01:25 < gpd> damn them and their lack of goodness 01:26 < taupehat> haha 01:26 < taupehat> TheFirst: not in a very long time 01:27 < taupehat> that picture is 4 years old, and it'd been a long time before it was taken since I last partook 01:29 -!- fo0bar [fo0bar@38.99.66.211] has quit [helium.oftc.net oxygen.oftc.net] 01:29 -!- fo0bar [fo0bar@38.99.66.211] has joined #linode-xenbeta 01:30 < TheFirst> uhuh sure 01:30 < taupehat> heh 01:30 < warewolf> [worksafe?] http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/04/sex_in_the_mri.php#more 01:30 < warewolf> interesting. 01:30 < taupehat> take a hair test - there's plenty 01:30 < warewolf> "but one interesting observation was that the female reproductive tract does jigger itself around in curious ways during arousal and orgasm: 01:31 < TheFirst> warewolf: read that earlier...funny 01:31 < taupehat> heh 01:31 < taupehat> that's rad 01:33 < warewolf> that's interesting that the uterus is moved upward 01:33 < taupehat> heh 01:33 < warewolf> I know that the birth canal/vagina streches (it's length) to accomidate the penis 01:34 < taupehat> creates a sort of suction when it moves upward 01:34 < taupehat> to facilitate the movement of guess what in the right direction I guess 01:35 < warewolf> the cervix contracts and kinda slurps up junk during orgasm 01:35 < taupehat> yep 01:35 < warewolf> I do recall that from something scientific/educational on TV 01:35 < warewolf> probally discovery or something 01:35 < TheFirst> and where did you read this, since we all know geeks wont have first hand experience ;P 01:35 * taupehat has only direct observation of this, but he immediately understood the why of it without needing a scientific paper to help him figure it out 01:37 < taupehat> I'm just trying to figure out how the hell anyone could get it on in an MRI tube 01:37 < taupehat> even if they did remove the table 01:37 < taupehat> heh 01:37 < TheFirst> i'm reminded of the family guy ep where peter becomes a member of the mile high club :P 01:37 < taupehat> science would benefit from the use of the Open Field MRI they have at the hospital here. It's specifically advertised for "larger patients" 01:38 * taupehat would consider it 01:38 < warewolf> haha 01:38 < warewolf> "larger patients" 01:38 < taupehat> hey, why not? 01:38 < taupehat> yeah 01:38 < taupehat> heh 01:38 < warewolf> use a MRI designed for elephants. 01:38 < taupehat> you'd have to be larger than anyone to not fit in it 01:38 < TheFirst> warewolf: thanks for the larger patients image...could have dealt without that one! 01:39 < TheFirst> as bad as that "The Worlds Biggest Penis" program a few months back 01:39 * taupehat loves it when other people get blamed for his behavior 01:39 < taupehat> TheFirst: o rly? 01:39 < taupehat> how big? 01:39 < warewolf> YA RLY 01:39 < warewolf> ok 01:40 < warewolf> I am really *really* getting pissed off at a coworker who has this habit of creating c:\ADMIN and c:\SW_DOWNLOADED or /ADMIN and /SW_DOWNLOADED on all the systems he touches. 01:40 < taupehat> haha 01:40 < warewolf> that's where it sticks notes about what he's done to the box, and software he's installed on the box. 01:40 < taupehat> ok, so where's the beef? 01:40 < warewolf> they don't belong there. 01:40 < taupehat> is there something else he should be logging to instead? 01:40 < warewolf> he should put it on our fileserver 01:41 < TheFirst> http://www.hecklerspray.com/?p=2139 01:41 < warewolf> because what happens when that box crashes? 01:41 < warewolf> what happens when it gets reinstalled? the data goes poof 01:41 < warewolf> also: DO NOT FUCKING ADD SHIT TO / ON UNIX BOXES. KTHXBIE 01:41 < warewolf> (that's my #1 beef) 01:42 < taupehat> haha 01:42 < taupehat> yeah 01:42 < taupehat> plus 01:42 < taupehat> putting shit in / is just tacky 01:43 < taupehat> if he wants a "unix-proper" place to put stuff and really wants it on the local machine, /usr/local/share/doc would probably be best 01:43 < warewolf> I would prefer on our backed up massive-raid box (or in the wiki) 01:43 < taupehat> those'd be good... 01:43 < taupehat> anywhere but / 01:44 < warewolf> and it's a thing that only *HE* does too. 01:44 < taupehat> or c:\ 01:44 < warewolf> way to go against the norm, pal. 01:44 < taupehat> warewolf: handle it: define a shop standard, get mgmt to sign off on it, slide it under his nose 01:44 < warewolf> well uh 01:44 < warewolf> he's the government employee 01:44 < warewolf> and I'm his contractor bitch. 01:44 < warewolf> so uh ... hmm. 01:45 < taupehat> ahh 01:45 < taupehat> sucks 01:45 < warewolf> rock hard-place. 01:45 < warewolf> but I will have my victory! 01:45 < warewolf> I recently chewed him a new one for fucking klepto'ing all the goddamn optical mice that came with our new workstations 01:46 < warewolf> and not replying when I sent out an email "We have 30 new machines that came with 30 optical mice. I have a new machine, and no mouse. Where is my mouse?" 01:46 < warewolf> brb 01:48 < taupehat> hehe 01:49 * taupehat wonders what he was doing with all the nutless rodents 01:49 < warewolf> he had them stashed in a file cabinet. 01:49 < taupehat> lol 01:49 < mikegrb> lolz 01:49 < warewolf> coiled up like they were unused spares or someshit 01:49 < warewolf> I liberated them from him when I went digging for a USB floppy drive 01:50 < taupehat> nice 01:50 < taupehat> heh 01:50 < taupehat> liberated 01:50 < taupehat> I've a habit of checking under keyboards when I fix computers at work 01:50 < taupehat> if the post-it-with-password is there, I liberate that as well 01:50 < warewolf> passwords? 01:50 < warewolf> awesome. 01:50 < taupehat> circular-file it in another building 01:51 < warewolf> I keep my passwords in my blackberry in the password-keeper application 01:51 < warewolf> I have too many goddamn passwords to keep upstairs today 01:51 < taupehat> hehe 01:51 * taupehat has a top-secret method for hiding strong passwords in plain view 01:52 < taupehat> I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you 01:52 < warewolf> and I have to keep track of all the OLD group-shared passwords too, for when I re-acquire a system that has been offline for months, and has missed multiple password changes. 01:52 < taupehat> heh 01:52 < taupehat> yeah 01:52 < taupehat> those kinda suck 01:52 < warewolf> taupehat: heh one of my friends used to have a little piece of paper in his wallet that was three columns wide, by about 30 rows deep. 01:52 < taupehat> I was just handed a laptop today for updates and remote-connectivity checkout 01:52 < warewolf> taupehat: it was all his passwords. and three of mine. that fucker. 01:53 < warewolf> he's dead now, so I can't argue. 01:53 < taupehat> that predates my employment. I don't have an admin password for it, and nobody knows what it is. 01:53 < warewolf> nt password recovery boot cd 01:53 < taupehat> yeah 01:53 < taupehat> dammit 01:53 < warewolf> chntpw or whatever the app is actually named 01:53 < taupehat> hate downloading ISOs at work 01:53 < taupehat> we're on dual T1 lines 01:53 < warewolf> then download the floppy image :) 01:53 < taupehat> SLOOOOW 01:54 < taupehat> sometimes I think our internet connectivity would be better if I put each building on DSL 01:54 < taupehat> (yeah, narrow pipe, I know) 01:55 < taupehat> I am actually buying a dsl account to keep as a hot spare in case of a BIFF 01:55 * warewolf blinks 01:55 < taupehat> we're kind of out in the boonies, and stuff like that happens with some frequency 01:55 < warewolf> somebody uh 01:55 < taupehat> eh? 01:55 < warewolf> somebody mailed me at my real personal email address about RML 01:55 < taupehat> hehe 01:55 < warewolf> telling me that the website didn't work, and that they wanted my help figuring out why their linode was slow 01:55 < taupehat> did you reply to an email with that address? 01:56 -!- fo0bar [fo0bar@38.99.66.211] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:56 < warewolf> pasted a single summary line from vmstat and some other info 01:56 < warewolf> "If you can't fix ratemylinode, can you tell me why my linode is so slow?" 01:56 -!- fo0bar [fo0bar@38.99.66.211] has joined #linode-xenbeta 01:56 < warewolf> oh 01:56 < warewolf> I think his username is too long 01:56 < taupehat> hehe 01:56 < warewolf> why do people have to pick linode hostnames and usernames that are longer than I design? 01:56 < taupehat> ... 01:57 < taupehat> 8 bytes is never enough 01:57 < taupehat> don't you know this? 01:57 < warewolf> dude 01:57 < warewolf> 8 bytes is always enough for a login name. 01:57 < taupehat> that's like setting a serial number field to INT 01:57 < warewolf> bah 01:57 < warewolf> unsigned int is fine :) 01:57 < warewolf> I'm not Phillips or AT&T :) 01:57 < taupehat> hehe 01:58 * taupehat is a memory waster 01:58 < taupehat> anything and everything will be a super-duper-ultra-longint 02:00 < taupehat> I reckon if it allocates 2^64k for the var, that should just about cover most circumstances 02:01 < taupehat> oh man 02:01 < taupehat> http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?storyid=1254 02:01 < warewolf> what now 02:01 < taupehat> nah 02:01 < taupehat> a story 02:01 < taupehat> tale of woe befalling the unaware 02:02 < taupehat> and lizard-brained ethics 02:02 < warewolf> oh 02:02 < warewolf> domain expired? 02:02 < taupehat> yep 02:06 < warewolf> goddamnit 02:06 < warewolf> the captcha handler I have is horking signups on RML 02:08 < taupehat> hehe 02:08 < taupehat> rad 02:08 < warewolf> I think I need to do some manual post-request clean-up in Mason 02:08 < warewolf> that was the issue with sessions 02:09 < taupehat> oh hey 02:09 < warewolf> sessions would get stuck for some very _very_ strange reason if I didn't forcibly destroy the session 02:09 < taupehat> friend of mine wrote something you might find useful 02:09 < warewolf> ? 02:09 < taupehat> you doing any ruby? 02:09 < taupehat> =] 02:09 < warewolf> taupehat: die. 02:09 < taupehat> aww, come on 02:09 < taupehat> I'm being serious here 02:10 < warewolf> ruby, and ruby on rails is a fad. 02:10 < warewolf> and it's broken. 02:10 * taupehat shrugs 02:10 < warewolf> RoR is like, the definition of the "make code for me because I'm stupid" rapid application prototyping. 02:11 < taupehat> people used to say the same thing about perl 02:11 < taupehat> "ooh, programming for dummies!" 02:11 < warewolf> and what the fuck is up with Ruby deleting your code if you want to change some fundamental design aspect of your code? 02:11 < warewolf> that's insane 02:12 < warewolf> I wish I kept that "10 reasons why RoR sucks" article 02:13 < warewolf> ruby's database abstraction layer is so braindead I don't believe it 02:13 < warewolf> if you do it /the way it wants you to/ then you're OK 02:13 < taupehat> anyhow 02:13 < taupehat> http://rubyforge.org/projects/shell-tools/ 02:13 < taupehat> for those not blinded by rage at RoR 02:13 < warewolf> I have seen the light. And that light is Perl. 02:13 < warewolf> 8-) 02:14 < taupehat> pah 02:14 * warewolf looks at url 02:14 < warewolf> taupehat: interesting 02:14 < taupehat> yeah 02:14 < taupehat> erik's well aware of the mktemp issues 02:14 < taupehat> in case you were about to say something =] 02:15 < warewolf> I really do hate RoR. Ruby itself might be ok, I don't know. It probally is. 02:15 < taupehat> heh 02:15 < taupehat> It's been around for a long time 02:15 < taupehat> rails really blasted it into the headlines 02:16 < taupehat> but I remember seeing ruby on that list of "never heard of this" programming languages a long time ago 02:16 < warewolf> I see rails as a frontpage for programming languages 02:16 < taupehat> heh 02:16 < warewolf> not even dreamweaver 02:16 < taupehat> hey, could be worse. It could be frontpage 02:17 < TheFirst> ruby is annoying but rails seems somewhat nice 02:17 < warewolf> dreamweaver atleast can (sometimes) be cool and actually produce nifty things 02:17 < taupehat> All the prototyping I've done for web apps has been on dreamweaver 02:17 < taupehat> works well for me 02:17 < warewolf> I don't really do web /design/ much, I let other people design and then I make it function the way they intend 02:18 < warewolf> eg comp some shit up in dreamweaver, and I'll write the server-side code that supports it. 02:18 < taupehat> heh 02:18 < taupehat> stuff I do is so damn simple most of the time 02:18 < taupehat> no need for a second coder 02:19 < taupehat> hmm 02:19 < taupehat> 6 tables, woo! 02:19 < warewolf> I have no graphic design sense. 02:19 < warewolf> that's why I prefer not to do website design 02:19 < taupehat> makes sense 02:19 * taupehat is a much better sysadmin than he is a coder, so rarely codes 02:19 < TheFirst> i'd much rather code than sysadmin 02:20 < TheFirst> warewolf: your graphic design sense is better than mine i'm sure 02:20 < taupehat> I'm best at dealing with the human/computer interaction layer, and planning resources over a complex list of requirements 02:20 < taupehat> like "How the hell do I manage 500 windows machines running with no antivirus software and make sure the teachers can still use them to take roll in the morning?" 02:21 < taupehat> step 1: install antivirus software =] 02:22 < taupehat> trickier problems involving Layer7/8 operability involve things like getting management to buy-in to strong password policies 02:22 < taupehat> interoperability* 02:26 < warewolf> TheFirst: oh christ no 02:27 < warewolf> TheFirst: I wrote this perl script that monitors the configs on all the firewalls here 02:27 < TheFirst> noone has less design sense than me 02:27 < TheFirst> color blind guy always wins this argument ;) 02:27 < warewolf> TheFirst: if the script doesn't detect any changes (it does a diff) it sends an email with the subhject line "No changes detected" 02:27 < warewolf> TheFirst: BUT 02:27 < warewolf> TheFirst: there have been situations where the firewalls don't push their configuration files to my box 02:28 < warewolf> TheFirst: and my script will report "No changes detected" .. "The following firewalls did not push their configs..." 02:28 < taupehat> lol 02:28 < mikegrb> lolz 02:28 < taupehat> nice 02:28 < warewolf> TheFirst: my 2nd level .gov boss somehow got confused and thought that "no changes detected" included the firewalls that didn't push configs. 02:51 < warewolf> how he got confused, I don't know. 02:53 < taupehat> the door is ajar. the door is a jar. 02:53 < warewolf> the door is not a jar. it is a door. 02:53 < taupehat> heh 03:03 < fo0bar> hi kids 03:04 < taupehat> olleh 03:14 < warewolf> I really shouldn't listen to the FFX soundtrack at work 03:14 < warewolf> it makes me want to play FFX 03:18 < taupehat> ffx? 03:18 < warewolf> final fantasy 10 03:18 < taupehat> o 03:33 < TheFirst> ffx bleh 03:33 < TheFirst> anything after 6 was bleh 03:33 < taupehat> bleh on all those "I put on my robe and wizard hat" games 04:00 * fo0bar fires magic missle at taupehat 06:14 -!- fo0bar_ [fo0bar@38.99.66.211] has joined #linode-xenbeta 06:14 -!- fo0bar [fo0bar@38.99.66.211] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:02 -!- bendy24 [~scott@bendy.netop.oftc.net] has joined #linode-xenbeta 09:28 -!- iggy [~iggy@12.45.184.235] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:38 -!- snorp|out is now known as snorp 11:52 -!- snorp [~snorp@CPE-65-28-73-215.kc.res.rr.com] has left #linode-xenbeta [] 12:15 < linbot> New news from forums: Kernel: 2.6.16.1-linode18 with NPTL/TLS support in Linode.com Announcements 12:54 -!- fo0bar_ is now known as fo0bar 13:09 < linbot> New news from forums: Server Failover in Linux Networking 14:01 < TheFirst> and the thrashers return 14:04 < bendy24> not as bad as monday 14:10 < TheFirst> nope 14:10 < TheFirst> not yet anyway 14:38 < taupehat> hmm 14:38 < taupehat> it is ugly though 14:44 < bendy24> is it disk io again? 14:45 < taupehat> no idea 14:45 < taupehat> don't have time to check 14:48 < linbot> New news from forums: New Configuration glitch in Xen Public Beta 14:48 < bendy24> heh 14:49 < bendy24> Host Load: idle 14:49 < bendy24> hrmph 15:53 < taupehat> moya:~# free -m total used free shared buffers cached 15:53 < taupehat> Mem: 3040 512 2527 0 21 430 15:53 < taupehat> =] 15:53 < bendy24> liar 15:53 < bendy24> you are the thrasher! 15:53 < taupehat> haha 15:53 < taupehat> yeah 15:53 < taupehat> on my new linode 3-gig plan 15:54 < bendy24> let me bring up my linode 1024 stats 15:54 < taupehat> hehe 16:47 -!- bendy24 [~scott@bendy.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:50 < linbot> New news from forums: Upgrading from Fedora Core 3 to Fedora Core 4 in Xen Public Beta 18:39 < linbot> New news from forums: Lost connection to MySQL server during query in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum 20:48 -!- TheFirst_ [gaveup@CPE-70-92-72-102.new.res.rr.com] has joined #linode-xenbeta 20:48 < TheFirst_> looks like 56 is gone :( 20:48 < TheFirst_> ah back now 20:51 < TheFirst_> wonder what caused that hiccup 20:51 < TheFirst_> 82 packets transmitted, 41 received, 50% packet loss, time 81405ms 20:52 -!- TheFirst_ [gaveup@CPE-70-92-72-102.new.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ] 21:24 < taupehat> holy crap 21:24 < taupehat> what the hell is happening =[ 21:24 < TheFirst> ? 21:24 < taupehat> I'm getting crazy mad latency 21:25 < Spads> I'M SCARED HOLD ME 21:25 < taupehat> ahha 21:25 * taupehat has kicked spads in the shins! 21:25 < TheFirst> seems theres routing problems...i could reach 56 at all before 21:26 < taupehat> no, routing seems to be fine 21:26 < taupehat> hrm 21:26 < taupehat> maybe... 21:27 < TheFirst> 64 bytes from host56.fremont.linode.com (66.220.1.12): icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=479 ms 21:27 < TheFirst> same horrible latency 21:29 < TheFirst> 14 hurricane-113208-dls-bb1.c.telia.net (213.248.92.22) 59.584 ms 59.521 ms 58.366 ms 21:29 < TheFirst> 15 pos5-0.gsr12012.lax.he.net (66.160.184.5) 465.829 ms 504.380 ms 510.140 ms 21:29 < TheFirst> 16 * * * 21:29 < TheFirst> 17 pos5-0.gsr12416.fmt.he.net (216.218.229.33) 691.114 ms 645.283 ms 595.597 ms 21:29 < TheFirst> 18 pos10-0.gsr12012.fmt.he.net (66.220.20.138) 552.108 ms 551.587 ms 552.676 ms 21:29 < TheFirst> 19 host56.fremont.linode.com (66.220.1.12) 555.435 ms 551.646 ms 523.048 ms 21:31 < taupehat> yeah 21:31 < taupehat> same as what I'm seeing 21:31 < taupehat> arglbargl 21:32 < taupehat> for me it starts going south at telia 21:32 < gpd> oh - arglebargle is my word 21:32 < gpd> oi even 21:33 < TheFirst> obviously he is having problems 21:35 < taupehat> no 21:35 < taupehat> arblbargl is my word 21:36 < taupehat> you stole it AND spell it wrong 21:36 < taupehat> so there. 21:36 < taupehat> anyhow, routing seems to have un-fscked itself 21:39 < TheFirst> not completely 21:39 < TheFirst> still a good sized leap when it hits he 21:39 < TheFirst> or one past he 21:39 < TheFirst> 15 pos5-0.gsr12012.lax.he.net (66.160.184.5) 88.649 ms 88.337 ms 87.951 ms 21:39 < TheFirst> 16 pos3-2.gsr12416.pao.he.net (65.19.129.1) 132.042 ms 298.923 ms 243.623 ms 21:39 < TheFirst> 17 pos5-0.gsr12416.fmt.he.net (216.218.229.33) 100.889 ms 101.431 ms 324.828 ms 21:39 < TheFirst> 18 pos10-0.gsr12012.fmt.he.net (66.220.20.138) 102.824 ms 100.623 ms 100.358 ms 21:39 < TheFirst> 19 host56.fremont.linode.com (66.220.1.12) 100.417 ms 100.576 ms 102.086 ms 21:54 -!- Newsome [~sorenson@adsl-75-0-136-70.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #linode-xenbeta 23:20 -!- adinardi [~angelo@tux.csh.rit.edu] has joined #linode-xenbeta 23:27 < adinardi> Hi all, just wondering about how long it takes from clicking the "I want to be in the beta" until you can migrate to it. 23:32 -!- Newsome [~sorenson@adsl-75-0-136-70.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has left #linode-xenbeta [Linux: Now with employee pricing!] --- Log closed Wed Apr 12 23:59:01 2006