--- Day changed --- Log opened Mon Oct 27 00:00:03 2003 02:53 -!- eadz [~eadz@203.99.30.83] has joined #linode 02:53 -!- eadz [~eadz@203.99.30.83] has left #linode [] 03:27 -!- guinea-sleep is now known as guinea-work 05:21 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12hdtlh.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #linode 05:44 < sunny> moo 06:00 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #linode 06:00 < adamgent> morning all 06:21 < sunny> hi :) 06:48 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12hdtlh.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: school time] 08:07 -!- adamgent is now known as adamgent-uni --- Log closed Mon Oct 27 09:02:56 2003 --- Log opened Mon Oct 27 09:09:38 2003 09:26 -!- sunny [~sunny@167.206.203.14] has joined #linode 09:46 -!- adamgent-uni is now known as adamgent 10:46 -!- adamgent-uni [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #linode 10:46 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:47 -!- adamgent-uni [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Client Quit] 10:47 -!- adamgent-uni [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #linode 10:48 -!- adamgent-uni is now known as adamgent 11:01 -!- YoSsSi [yepa@80.102.68.39] has joined #linode 11:05 -!- YoSsSi [yepa@80.102.68.39] has quit [Client Quit] 11:13 -!- YoSSi [yepa@80.103.1.65] has joined #linode 11:36 -!- YoSSi [yepa@80.103.1.65] has quit [] 12:17 < caker> hey guys 12:18 < tjfontaine> hi 12:18 < adamgent> hi 12:18 < caker> anything going on? 12:18 < adamgent> nope 12:19 < tjfontaine> slacking off at work 12:19 < caker> heh 12:19 * tjfontaine enjoys updating RPMS for MDK 12:20 < sunny> tjfontaine: which ver ? 12:20 < tjfontaine> 9.2 12:20 < sunny> doh 12:20 < sunny> I need more 9.1 users for my OOo1.1 backport :) 12:20 < tjfontaine> ooh, OO.org is a hard build 12:20 < tjfontaine> takes quite some time 12:21 < tjfontaine> after I get my OpenMosix+LTSP up I'll do that one :-) 12:21 < sunny> yeh, took me 22 hours for 3 builds of it, heh 12:21 < caker> oo = openoffice? 12:21 < tjfontaine> ya, /me thinks distcc+ccache+mosix 12:22 < sunny> distcc makes moxis sorta useless 12:22 < sunny> they aren't mutually exclusive 12:23 < tjfontaine> unless distcc is running cygwin 12:23 < sunny> ew, thats output I wouldn't trust, heh 12:23 < tjfontaine> usually I'm ok as long as I don't try to push to far on gcc versions 12:58 < tjfontaine> heh wrong window mayhaps? 12:58 < mikegrb> you talking to me? 12:58 < tjfontaine> perhaps 12:58 < mikegrb> I noticed you silly 12:59 < tjfontaine> hmm... ugly xchat bug 12:59 < tjfontaine> went to the wrong tab... 12:59 < mikegrb> indeed 12:59 < tjfontaine> sorry for the noise 12:59 < mikegrb> I've had that happen a few times 13:24 * tjfontaine ponders wandering into the world of rebuilding mdk9.2 with gtk+-2.3 13:25 < mikegrb> nah 13:25 < mikegrb> just use gentoo 13:26 < tjfontaine> hiss 13:26 < tjfontaine> :-) 13:26 < mikegrb> hmm 13:26 < mikegrb> ie had decided it will not load any images 13:47 -!- jax [~stbe@148.100.223.149] has joined #linode 14:05 -!- jax [~stbe@148.100.223.149] has quit [Quit: stupid sound] 14:10 < adamgent> has anyone here ever rolled there own debain package 14:12 -!- jax [~stbe@148.100.223.149] has joined #linode 14:53 < caker> adamgent: no I've never 14:54 -!- Efudd- [~jasonl@208.254.218.57] has joined #linode 14:55 < Efudd-> ... 'lo 14:55 < tjfontaine> hello 14:56 < adamgent> hi 15:19 -!- jax [~stbe@148.100.223.149] has quit [Quit: stupid classes] 15:24 < guinea-work> adamgent: depending on what sort of package, that could be an easy thing to do 15:24 -!- guinea-work is now known as guinea-pig 15:24 < guinea-pig> then again, i've had practice 15:25 < guinea-pig> single binary, autoconfiscated source is the easiest, i think 15:25 < adamgent> guinea-pig: just looking at custom install of mysql, apache etc 15:25 < guinea-pig> oh, you just mean recompiling an existing .deb with custom options, then? 15:26 < guinea-pig> i looked at apache's .deb build setup yesterday, and it's kinda ugly 15:26 < adamgent> no creating them from scratch 15:26 < guinea-pig> oh 15:26 < adamgent> the deb for apache is far to out of data 15:26 < adamgent> date even 15:26 < guinea-pig> 1.3.28? 15:27 < adamgent> something like that 15:27 < guinea-pig> what's the current? 15:27 < adamgent> im using 2. something 15:27 < guinea-pig> then you want the apache2 packages :P 15:27 < adamgent> well... 15:28 < guinea-pig> apt-cache search apache2-mpm 15:29 < sunny> why not just install the source and use a tiny tool for keeping track of file system changes ? 15:29 < adamgent> for some reason i just done really like using the pre-built packages 15:29 < guinea-pig> but you always want to install from a package, and not from source? i hear ya 15:30 < adamgent> when you have 100+ machines to do 15:30 < guinea-pig> aha 15:30 < caker> adamgent: that's a lot of machines :) 15:30 < guinea-pig> well, i'd recommend 15:30 < adamgent> there all p133 15:30 < guinea-pig> apt-get source apache2 15:31 < guinea-pig> apt-get build-dep apache2 15:31 < guinea-pig> and then tinkering around in the existing debian build setup instead of rolling your own debian build setup 15:31 < guinea-pig> unless apache2's as messed up as apache1 15:31 * guinea-pig looks 15:32 < adamgent> i will get around to it as some point, I tend to just be lazy and leave it 15:32 < guinea-pig> it's ugly... just not *as* ugly as apache1's 15:32 < adamgent> it is only a problem when people need things that have non standard flags etc 15:32 < guinea-pig> have you ever built a deb before? 15:33 < adamgent> no 15:33 < guinea-pig> ok 15:33 < adamgent> ive tended to just use shell scripts instead 15:33 < adamgent> test the install on one machine and then hope it works on all the rest 15:34 < guinea-pig> apt-get install build-essential devscripts :) 15:34 < adamgent> i wish it was that simple 15:34 < sunny> yeah, i can't see why you'd ever install an important server from a package ... the package and your personal preferences are never the same, heh 15:34 < guinea-pig> apt-get source apache2 15:34 < guinea-pig> cd apache2-* 15:34 < guinea-pig> edit debian/rules to your liking 15:35 < sunny> but location of files, etc etc 15:35 < guinea-pig> it's a makefile. that's where the configure options are 15:35 < sunny> my entire apache is in /usr/local/apache .. and my site is at /home/www 15:35 < guinea-pig> /usr/lib/apache/ and /var/www 15:35 < adamgent> yeah but that is the apache conf file 15:35 < adamgent> not an install option 15:36 < adamgent> besides apache was only an example the main things are compilers 15:36 < sunny> guinea-pig: I'd be wasting more time tweaking my apache than just doing a source compile, heh 15:36 < sunny> s/apache/apache package 15:36 < guinea-pig> adamgent: now you're talking hardcore 15:37 < adamgent> well the entire system is for the compilation and processing of apps so it is mainly what the system is used for --- Log closed Mon Oct 27 15:38:00 2003 --- Log opened Mon Oct 27 15:38:28 2003 15:39 < guinea-pig> gcc is a pain to build. 15:39 < sunny> gcc is funny, it builds itself twice, heh 15:39 < guinea-pig> debian build structure is quite simple. run debian/rules clean, debian/rules build, debian/rules binary 15:39 < adamgent> i cant remeber what I was building but it was some compiler and it took about 30 attempts to get it so it would run some stupid app 15:39 < guinea-pig> sunny: 3 times, i think 15:40 < guinea-pig> 99.9% of the time, debian/rules is a makefile 15:40 < sunny> 3 ? once for the actual build, and another for the chrooted self build ? 15:40 < sunny> a third ? 15:40 < guinea-pig> well 15:40 < guinea-pig> there are three stages, at least 15:40 < guinea-pig> the third one is to make sure it can compile itself 15:40 < guinea-pig> or something like that 15:41 < adamgent> it is just to check that the first set of builds work 15:41 < sunny> yeah, the second build, to weed out bugs in the parent compiler 15:42 < guinea-pig> for debian, gcc, apache, X, etc, all have massively complex build scripts/makefiles 15:42 < guinea-pig> layers 15:42 < adamgent> never install x, never got plans to do so 15:42 < adamgent> s/isntall/installed 15:42 < sunny> apache should be pretty straight forward 15:42 < guinea-pig> obfuscation to make things simpler. go figure 15:42 < sunny> just getting debconf to 0wn the conf files would seem tricky 15:43 < guinea-pig> heh 15:43 < guinea-pig> i *still* get confused between conffiles and configuration files 15:43 < guinea-pig> debconf isn't supposed to touch one of them 15:43 < sunny> I really wish linode's debian small didn't have the password issue 15:44 < adamgent> it only takes 30 seconds to fix 15:44 < adamgent> enable it, then change the root passwd 15:44 < sunny> yeah, but I wonder what policies does caker use in answering those debconf questions 15:45 < guinea-pig> probably used the default answers 15:45 < sunny> and Mandrake small can be down to 100 megs .. not 200-something 15:45 < adamgent> well he said he will sort it out, but it is default for them to be off 15:46 < adamgent> not everyone likes shadow passwords 15:46 < sunny> yeah, people running NIS 15:46 < sunny> who need to be shot, heh 15:47 < adamgent> that they do, but some people need to run it 15:47 < sunny> all the tools are right there to migrate right off of NIS at padl.com 15:47 < guinea-pig> Template: passwd/md5 15:47 < guinea-pig> Type: boolean 15:47 < guinea-pig> Default: false 15:47 < guinea-pig> :< 15:47 < sunny> NIS R.I.P in any modern network 15:47 < guinea-pig> i use NIS and shadow and md5 and have no issues on my home network 15:48 < sunny> how on earth does NIS work with shadow 15:48 < sunny> ? 15:49 < guinea-pig> not *all* nis doesn't work with shadow. just some implementations 15:49 < sunny> the parts that make it any bit useful 15:49 < sunny> LDAP auth is a far better idea 15:50 < sunny> linux and solaris support nsswitch ... it works really nicely 15:51 < adamgent> oh well it looks like it is back to the shell scripts 15:52 < sunny> I have a tiny shell script 15:52 < sunny> http://opencurve.org/~sunny/linux/files/fs_diff 15:53 < sunny> fs_diff foobar ; make install ; fs_diff foobar 15:53 < sunny> ultra cheap hack 15:54 < adamgent> not that simple anymore :-( 15:55 < sunny> yeh 15:55 < adamgent> i now how to entertain the thought of bsd 15:55 < sunny> you could always run fam .. and write a client that would keep track of file changes, heh 15:55 < guinea-pig> ooh i hate seeing that 15:55 < adamgent> what 15:56 < guinea-pig> one thing that drives me insane is people using `command` instead of $(command) in a bash script :P 15:56 < guinea-pig> ` isn't nestable, $() is 15:56 < guinea-pig> hehe 15:56 < adamgent> people like what they like 15:56 < guinea-pig> yes, i've needed to nest them. i've gone 5 deep once i think 15:57 < sunny> $() syntax looks confusing for a newbie .. and so they use `` and learn to stick with it 15:57 < adamgent> and when they come from perl coding it tends to stick 15:58 < guinea-pig> damn newbies 15:58 < guinea-pig> hehe 15:59 < adamgent> 6mnths ago I couldnt write a shell script to save my life 15:59 < sunny> #bash on Freenode is a lovely channel, you guys should check it out 15:59 < adamgent> only usually use freenode for the jxta meetings 16:00 -!- Phonepiks [~irc@wristpiks.plus.com] has joined #linode 16:00 < mikegrb> I hang out in mythtv, courier, and dspam channels there 16:00 < Phonepiks> Hey guys, anyone able to advise on exmin setups? 16:01 < adamgent> possibly 16:01 < sunny> later guys 16:01 < adamgent> c ay 16:01 -!- sunny [~sunny@167.206.203.14] has quit [Quit: EOW: End of Work] 16:02 < Phonepiks> It dosen't seem to want to start although the logs show checks every 15 mins 16:02 < Phonepiks> Nothing seems to be listening on the port 16:02 < adamgent> what are the errors when it tries to start 16:03 < Phonepiks> Dosen't give any 16:03 < adamgent> try to start it in debug mode and see what it says 16:04 < Phonepiks> How's that done? 16:04 < Phonepiks> -d? 16:04 < adamgent> probably take a look in the man page 16:08 < Phonepiks> Just get "exim: neither action flags nor mail addresses given" from /usr/sbin 16:08 < Phonepiks> Nothing at all from init 16:08 < Phonepiks> I'm presuming thats because I'm not giving any commands? 16:08 < adamgent> is the debug level at the highest level 16:08 < adamgent> it could be 16:09 < Phonepiks> li3-85:~# /usr/sbin/exim -d9 16:09 < Phonepiks> Exim version 3.35 debug level 9 uid=0 gid=0 16:09 < Phonepiks> Berkeley DB: Sleepycat Software: Berkeley DB 2.7.7: (08/20/99) 16:09 < Phonepiks> Caller is an admin user 16:09 < Phonepiks> Caller is a trusted user 16:09 < Phonepiks> originator: uid=0 gid=0 login=root name=root 16:09 < Phonepiks> sender address = root@li3-85.members.linode.com 16:09 < Phonepiks> exim: neither action flags nor mail addresses given 16:10 < mikegrb> you want to give it options for it to start in daemon mode 16:11 < Phonepiks> OK, shouldn't it run ok on boot though? 16:12 < Phonepiks> Seems to be daemoning ok 16:13 < mikegrb> well U dunno 16:13 < mikegrb> I use courier for mail 16:14 < Phonepiks> :o) 16:14 < Phonepiks> I need cpanel 16:14 < mikegrb> oh 16:15 < mikegrb> well then :/ 16:15 < mikegrb> I'm very happy with the full courier sweet 16:15 < Phonepiks> Not tried that.. what is it? Another mta etc? 16:15 < mikegrb> yes 16:15 < mikegrb> oops 16:15 < mikegrb> s/sweet/suit/ 16:16 < mikegrb> suite 16:16 < mikegrb> it handles local delivery, imap, pop3, normal mta stuff etc 16:16 < Phonepiks> Ooh, webmail too 16:16 < mikegrb> also has maildrop which is procmail's biggest competitor 16:16 < mikegrb> indeed 16:16 < Phonepiks> Hmm I may have a go at that 16:17 < Phonepiks> Thx mike 16:17 < mikegrb> and the webmail filter editor actually edits the maildrop ~/.mailfiler so even though you make filters from the webmail thing it still gets filtered server side 16:17 < mikegrb> heh no prob 16:17 < mikegrb> I'm planning on writing a courier + dspam howto soon 16:17 < Phonepiks> nice 16:18 < Phonepiks> I'm starting to get the hang of this.. very slowly! 16:18 < mikegrb> dspam works great too, uses bayesian filtering but instead of just words it look for workd pairs 16:18 < mikegrb> er 16:18 < mikegrb> looks for word pairs 16:18 < Phonepiks> Cool 16:18 < mikegrb> works great 16:19 < Phonepiks> Like the crap I keep getting "By Via.Gra from OnL1n3 Phar Macy" 16:19 < Phonepiks> Followed usually with AKSJD*"$*AALSALDS 16:19 < mikegrb> exactly 16:19 < Phonepiks> PITA 16:20 < mikegrb> when I moved to linode for mail, I started getting some spam again but just b/c headers changes 16:20 < Phonepiks> Right 16:20 < mikegrb> headers changed rather 16:20 < mikegrb> but it has caught up again already 16:20 < Phonepiks> :o) 16:21 < Phonepiks> BBIAB 16:21 -!- Phonepiks is now known as PPbrb 17:10 -!- adamgent2 [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #linode 17:10 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10 -!- adamgent2 is now known as adamgent 17:11 -!- PPbrb is now known as Phonepiks 17:13 < Phonepiks> Anyone seen this error before.. "mount: Bad address" ? 17:13 < caker> is this inside your Linode? 17:14 < Phonepiks> Yup 17:14 < caker> did you add an image to your config and not reboot? 17:14 < Phonepiks> Created a disk image, had it working in RH small. Changed to Debian & it gives me that 17:14 < Phonepiks> Have rebooted a few times 17:15 < Phonepiks> Google comes up with LVM stuff 17:20 < caker> Are you sure you added it to your config profile (the one that you're actually booting) ? 17:21 < Phonepiks> Arse! Yeah that'll help! Thanks caker 17:21 < Phonepiks> Muppet 17:21 < caker> nice -- it'll work after rebooting :) 17:21 < Phonepiks> Cheers :o) 17:35 -!- Phonepiks [~irc@wristpiks.plus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:45 -!- guinea-pig is now known as guinea-sleep 17:54 < mikegrb> caker we have a nice pretty web irc client for xbox-linux :-) 17:54 < mikegrb> http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/docs/websupport.html 17:54 < caker> web irc client? 17:55 < mikegrb> yes 17:55 < mikegrb> not even java applet 17:55 < mikegrb> it is cgi based 17:55 < mikegrb> tjfontaine set it up 17:55 < mikegrb> I'm very impressed 17:56 < caker> holy smokes 17:56 < mikegrb> indeed 17:56 < caker> even tab completion 17:56 < mikegrb> even client side javascript for tab completion 17:56 < mikegrb> heh 17:56 < mikegrb> yes 17:56 < mikegrb> that blew me awat 17:56 < mikegrb> away 17:56 < caker> is this tjfontaine's script? 17:57 < mikegrb> nah 17:57 < mikegrb> umm 17:57 < mikegrb> I think it is cgi::irc or the otherway around 17:57 < caker> excellent 17:57 < mikegrb> even has spiffy hostmask for the users 17:57 < mikegrb> @webuser.xbox-linux.sf.net 17:58 < mikegrb> it is hosted on tj's linode and connects to orion.oftc.net, on my linode 17:59 < caker> excellent :) 17:59 < mikegrb> it has an options page that lets you turn on/off timestamps, smiliey replacement, and the like 17:59 < caker> and probably multiple channels (looks like a tab up top) 17:59 < mikegrb> ues 17:59 < mikegrb> er yes 17:59 < caker> i want one :) 17:59 < mikegrb> it will even change the tab color for activity 18:00 < mikegrb> yes very cool 18:00 < mikegrb> we discussed something like this at the developers meeting this afternoon 18:00 < mikegrb> we were going to offer a java applet and cgi only one, decided this was good enough, no java applet necessary 18:00 < mikegrb> supports privmsg to dif tab 18:01 < caker> no doubt 18:06 < mikegrb> new feature for linode support? 18:06 < caker> hehe 18:06 < caker> How did you know I was on the download page? 18:06 < mikegrb> hehehehe 18:07 < mikegrb> I'm telepathic 18:13 < mikegrb> wow bji gave Drowned a great reply to his post on the forum 18:44 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12hdtlh.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #linode 18:59 < caker> Yes, he did 19:16 < adamgent> c ya all tomorrow, time to sleep 19:16 < caker> see ya Adam 19:19 < mikegrb> night 19:20 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: sleep...] 20:12 -!- rko [~risto@dallas.kotalampi.com] has joined #linode 20:27 < tjfontaine> how bout unlimited transfer from node to node :-) 20:35 < mikegrb> heh 20:35 < mikegrb> caker: you around? 21:00 < caker> hello 21:00 < mikegrb> hi 21:00 < mikegrb> I remember a forum post somewhere abt eventually local trafic wouldn't be counted against bandwidth 21:00 < mikegrb> is that currently the case? 21:00 < caker> I have my ebtable rules excluding local traffic 21:00 < caker> but that won't count from dc to dc 21:00 < mikegrb> oh okay 21:00 < mikegrb> right 21:01 < caker> until I get my ptp gigabit lines to/fro everywhere :) 21:01 < mikegrb> heh 21:01 < mikegrb> I want one of those too 21:01 < mikegrb> ;) 21:02 < mikegrb> just got my log searching stuff online :) 21:02 < caker> Suprisingly, I've already seen it :) 21:02 < mikegrb> moved the logs yesterday or the daybefore but just got the cgi's this evening 21:02 < caker> just earlier 21:02 < mikegrb> heh 21:02 < caker> I noticed the logs on the other side ended 21:02 < caker> s/side/site 21:03 < mikegrb> yes 21:03 < mikegrb> they come from my client 21:03 < mikegrb> so when I moved my client to the linode they ended 21:03 < caker> ok, so school me on a good irc setup 21:03 < mikegrb> I played with running a bot but this was more stable 21:03 < mikegrb> from which point of view? as a user? 21:03 < caker> client, yeah 21:04 < mikegrb> okay 21:04 < caker> run something in screen on your Linode? 21:04 < mikegrb> yes 21:04 < mikegrb> irssi as a client on the linode 21:04 < caker> ok 21:04 < mikegrb> irssi supports proxy 21:04 < caker> meaning what, exactly? 21:04 < mikegrb> so you tell what ever client at home to connect to irssi as a normal server, but with password 21:04 < caker> you just use it as a proxy? 21:04 < caker> ok 21:05 < mikegrb> any channels you were in just open up 21:05 < caker> in your local client? 21:05 < mikegrb> you can pullup the screen process and attatch and use irssi as normal from there too 21:05 < caker> right 21:05 < mikegrb> well anywhere .... multiple clients can connect to the irssi proxy at same time 21:06 < mikegrb> though they are all you (your nick) 21:06 < caker> so screen lets you use irssi as a true client, otherwise you just use it as a proxy (connecting and joining, each time) 21:06 < mikegrb> join a channel in one client and all the others join the same channel 21:06 < mikegrb> right 21:06 < mikegrb> tjfontaine uses irssi this way 21:06 < caker> that I don't get 21:06 < mikegrb> he normally has two or three clients connected to his proxy at once 21:06 < mikegrb> his work pc, home, and sometimes a laptop 21:07 < mikegrb> I use it from screen during the day and at night fire up xchat locally and connect to the irssi proxy 21:07 < caker> I didn't know you could (remotely controlled) join a channel 21:07 < caker> ok 21:07 < mikegrb> well you can 21:07 < caker> sorry to be redundant, but when you connect to xchat, are you resuming the existing connections? 21:08 < caker> (not via screen) 21:08 < mikegrb> it basically fakes your client into thinking it requested it 21:08 < caker> ok 21:08 < caker> now I get it :) 21:08 < mikegrb> yes, existing connection 21:08 < caker> mikegrb: ty 21:08 < mikegrb> there is even a plugin for irssi that will flood your client with the text that happened when you were gone 21:08 < mikegrb> as if you had the client there the whole time 21:08 < caker> Nice 21:08 < mikegrb> no prob 21:08 < mikegrb> yes 21:09 < mikegrb> I've been playing with it but can't get it to work well for me since you use it via proxy and shell split abt 50/50 21:09 < mikegrb> the script is inteded for people who always use it via proxy 21:09 < mikegrb> also you should connect to orion 21:09 < caker> heh, sure will 21:09 < mikegrb> and I can set your rdns to what ever you want ;) 21:09 < caker> Woohoo! 21:09 < mikegrb> heh 21:10 < caker> anyone actually see if I own bigantenna.com ? 21:10 < mikegrb> I know you can set rDNS but the server checks to make sure it fwd and reverse resolves 21:10 < caker> I thought someone would have picked that out 21:10 < mikegrb> I have a small caching dns server bound to localhost that the irc server has to go through 21:10 < caker> ahh sneaky 21:11 < caker> I do the same on my webserver 21:11 < caker> :) 21:11 < mikegrb> heh 21:12 < mikegrb> heh you do own it 21:13 < mikegrb> I just figured you were grabbing something out of your ass 21:13 < caker> muhahaha 21:13 < caker> No, that was for a previous crazy idea about a distributed network monitoring system 21:13 < mikegrb> ahh 21:14 < mikegrb> at first thought setting up UML hosting seems easy but linode.com definetly comes across as a polished product 21:14 < mikegrb> it's an ingenius idea 21:14 < caker> I'm hoping I have a pretty good head start 21:14 < mikegrb> much better then some distributed network monitoring crap ;) 21:15 < mikegrb> heh indeed 21:15 < mikegrb> just don't sell your stuff 21:15 < mikegrb> that's where it gets crazy 21:15 < caker> I worked in secrecy for many months 21:15 < caker> You mean like control panel makers sell theirs? 21:16 < mikegrb> on the one hand it would be great to have the revenue but on the other you know they would be using it to go in direct competition with you 21:16 < mikegrb> right 21:16 < caker> Yeah, one or the other 21:16 < mikegrb> indeed 21:16 < caker> I've already had to make that decision (a few times) 21:16 < caker> Have had a bunch of companies approach me 21:16 < caker> one of them has mock-ups still on a beta site (via google..) 21:17 < mikegrb> hmm 21:17 < caker> http://www.dotmedia.com/en/ 21:18 < caker> sunny will be glad to know I'm almost done with the next debian fs 21:20 < mikegrb> who are they? 21:20 < mikegrb> they use linode on one of the pages? 21:20 < caker> yeah heh, they have their "skin" mock-ups over the platform manager 21:21 < caker> http://www.dotmedia.com/en/products_services/virtualization_management/ 21:21 < mikegrb> heh that is the page I am on now 21:21 < mikegrb> who are they? 21:21 < caker> some canadian company .. actually DotMedia is just an incubator for a larger VC company 21:22 < caker> "Specify which virtual disk images attatch to which device inside your Linode" on that page :) 21:22 < tjfontaine> caker: I'm going to setup an irssi proxy for you to test on my node 21:22 < mikegrb> yes 21:22 < mikegrb> that's the page 21:23 < mikegrb> er thats the phrase I say 21:23 < mikegrb> damit 21:23 < caker> awesome 21:23 < mikegrb> that is the phrase I saw 21:23 < mikegrb> heh 21:23 < caker> tjfontaine: awesome, hook me up 21:23 < tjfontaine> caker: my pleasure 21:24 < mikegrb> having memories of last night trying to type after a glass of whiskey 21:24 < caker> more whiskey this evening? 21:24 < mikegrb> no 21:24 < mikegrb> heh 21:24 < mikegrb> just can't type 21:24 < caker> how's your spelling? 21:24 < mikegrb> I was thirsty, can't drink the tap water... so heh 21:25 < caker> I need an irc client with spellchecker 21:25 < mikegrb> generally not too bad well I take that back, it's bad 21:25 < caker> heh 21:25 < mikegrb> heh irssi has a plugin that does tab completion with an ispell database 21:25 < tjfontaine> so does xchat 21:25 < mikegrb> it's great just get close hit tab twice and bam a list of words 21:25 < caker> irssi all ncurses based? 21:25 < mikegrb> really tj? 21:25 < mikegrb> yes 21:25 < mikegrb> 'emerge irssi' 21:25 < mikegrb> :) 21:26 < tjfontaine> mikegrb: almost positive, plus it fixes my many te h mistakes 21:26 < mikegrb> heh 21:26 < mikegrb> I should look into that 21:26 < mikegrb> haven't really been using xchat for long 21:26 < mikegrb> used to just use irssi exclusively 21:26 < mikegrb> now that irssi isn't upstairs over the lan it's nice typing into a local client that echos as soon as I type 21:27 < caker> mikegrb: where are you guys located? 21:27 < mikegrb> charleston, sc 21:27 < mikegrb> tj is in ohio 21:28 < caker> how are the pings to host10 vs host1? 21:28 < mikegrb> near/in cleveland 21:28 < caker> ahh cool 21:28 < mikegrb> ummm lemme check 21:28 < tjfontaine> I'm pulling about 60 it looks 21:29 < mikegrb> --- host10.linode.com ping statistics --- 21:29 < mikegrb> 20 packets transmitted, 20 received, 0% packet loss, time 19098ms 21:29 < mikegrb> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 81.130/89.091/103.729/6.274 ms 21:29 < caker> I've noticed (in general) that cross-country backbone hops cost about 30-40ms 21:29 < mikegrb> --- host1.linode.com ping statistics --- 21:29 < mikegrb> 20 packets transmitted, 19 received, 5% packet loss, time 19089ms 21:29 < mikegrb> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 39.638/42.446/55.911/3.351 ms 21:29 < caker> yeah 21:29 < mikegrb> heh indeed 21:29 < tjfontaine> --- host2.linode.com ping statistics --- 21:29 < tjfontaine> 23 packets transmitted, 23 received, 0% packet loss, time 22202ms 21:29 < tjfontaine> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 58.638/60.087/61.718/0.940 ms 21:30 < caker> I'm going to place some machines at my rack at XO in NJ -- so I'll have the states covered 21:31 < tjfontaine> heh groovy 21:31 < caker> The beauty of my system is host machines can be located anywhere 21:31 * caker struts 21:31 < tjfontaine> lol 21:31 < mikegrb> heh 21:31 < mikegrb> tjfontaine: caker owns bigantenna.com 21:31 < caker> ping theshore.net ? 21:32 < tjfontaine> mch better 21:32 < mikegrb> tjfontaine: whisper: you think he is compensating for something else? 21:32 < tjfontaine> heh 21:32 < caker> heh, well it was either linode.com or a porn site 21:32 < tjfontaine> --- theshore.net ping statistics --- 21:32 < tjfontaine> 20 packets transmitted, 20 received, 0% packet loss, time 19198ms 21:32 < tjfontaine> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 33.742/35.291/36.969/0.931 ms 21:33 < mikegrb> --- theshore.net ping statistics --- 21:33 < mikegrb> 20 packets transmitted, 20 received, 0% packet loss, time 19093ms 21:33 < mikegrb> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 99.020/103.462/121.289/6.366 ms 21:33 < mikegrb> not so good for me 21:33 < mikegrb> but heidi is on the phone 21:33 < tjfontaine> I get better pings to theshore than I do to my t1 at work 21:33 < mikegrb> though she was on the phone for the other pings too 21:33 * mikegrb uses VOiP 21:33 < caker> neat 21:34 < mikegrb> vonage.com 21:34 < mikegrb> got a washington, texas, and charleston phone number and free long distance for 50/mnth 21:34 < caker> scary 21:34 < mikegrb> and a free cisco ata-180 so normal phones work 21:34 < tjfontaine> cable or dsl? 21:34 < caker> Damn 21:34 < mikegrb> cable 21:34 < tjfontaine> what kinda upload speed do you have? 21:35 < tjfontaine> I can't get squat for a reasonable price from rr 21:35 < mikegrb> there normal stuff is 90kbs but I have it turned down so phone is using 30-40kbps 21:35 < tjfontaine> dsl is much more reliable for me as well 21:35 < mikegrb> sounds better then cell phone 21:35 < caker> wow 21:35 < mikegrb> just about as good as normal phone 21:35 < caker> And they just gave you random numbers in 3 states? 21:35 < mikegrb> the ata-180 generates callerid and all for normal phones 21:35 < mikegrb> well we asked for numbers in those area codes 21:35 < tjfontaine> irssi to icq plugin 21:36 < tjfontaine> weird 21:36 < mikegrb> normally its 40/mnth with one number 21:36 * caker has to start worrying about fake phone numbers now 21:36 < mikegrb> an extra 5/mnth per "virtual" number 21:36 < mikegrb> which just fwds 21:36 < mikegrb> an 800 number is like 9.95/mnth for 80 minutes or something and then X/min after that 21:37 < tjfontaine> ya when I move out I'll prolly go VoIP and no cell phone 21:37 < mikegrb> a fax only line is an extra 10/mnth has its own line 21:37 < mikegrb> been pretty happy with the service 21:37 < mikegrb> spiffiest of all, you can transfer a call to another number :) 21:38 < mikegrb> not like fwding but once you're already on the phone you can say just one sec and heidi can transfer the call to me at work 21:38 < tjfontaine> neato 21:38 < caker> toll free deal is pretty sweat 21:38 < mikegrb> yes 21:38 < mikegrb> you should look into it caker 21:38 < mikegrb> it works great behind a nat firewall too 21:38 < mikegrb> grabs a dhcp ip and then just works 21:39 < caker> The cisco unit does? 21:39 < mikegrb> no port fwd'ing necessary 21:39 < mikegrb> right 21:39 < caker> ahh 21:39 < caker> cool 21:39 < tjfontaine> cisco is nice like that 21:39 < caker> impressive 21:39 < caker> does it have a tcp connection always connected to vonage or something? 21:39 < mikegrb> just plug it in pick up the phone press the button on top of it then hit 80# and it tells you its ip... it's good to go then 21:39 < mikegrb> it uses sip 21:40 < mikegrb> session initiation protocol 21:40 < mikegrb> don't know a lot about it though 21:40 < caker> ok 21:40 < mikegrb> I want to get into the web interface to the ata-180 21:40 < mikegrb> it dls a config file from tftp.vonage.com which disables it though 21:40 < caker> I wonder what cable companies think when ppl call and tell them their internet connections are down, and they're expecting a very important call 21:40 < mikegrb> see what kinds of spiffy stuff I can change 21:40 < mikegrb> heh 21:40 < mikegrb> I dunno 21:41 < caker> probably the same thing they thought when they saw my linux boxen 21:41 < mikegrb> it kind of sucks sometimes, it's the only phone at home 21:41 < mikegrb> normally not a prob 21:41 < mikegrb> heh 21:41 < tjfontaine> silly security for my protection 21:42 < caker> I'm pretty wired to my cell phone -- tickets, monitoring alerts, machine stats pages :) 21:42 < mikegrb> yha way back when, when my parents got dsl the tech came upstairs where I told him it was going to be connected, saw the 486 with two nics sitting on the rack with patch pannels and a hub and said "I'm gonna like this install" 21:42 < mikegrb> heh yes 21:42 < mikegrb> you need it 21:42 < mikegrb> or a text pager :-) 21:42 < caker> Haha 21:42 < caker> that's funny 21:43 < mikegrb> the tech hooked his test equip to the jack, said I got a signal, hooked the adsl modem up waited for it to sync said here is the PPPoE info 21:43 < mikegrb> any questions? 21:43 < caker> I had a tibook, 100bt ethernet ran throughout the pad, a windows box, and an old server now-my-gateway machine 21:43 < mikegrb> then we chatted networs and what not for a bit and he left 21:43 < caker> cisco 5005 21:43 < mikegrb> heh 21:43 < caker> a wireless gateway, etc ,etc 21:43 < mikegrb> right 21:44 < mikegrb> my wife has a laptop with win on it 21:44 < mikegrb> 95 even 21:44 < caker> They couldn't get it to work on any, until they realized you have to restart the modem each time you connect it to a different comp 21:44 < mikegrb> stupid wireless card wont work, the win95 drivers are not compatable with win95 21:44 < caker> haha nice 21:44 < caker> Haha 21:44 < mikegrb> yup 21:44 < caker> Well, that figures 21:44 < mikegrb> she had a wired card that broke as they do 21:44 < caker> right 21:44 < caker> snapped off? 21:44 < mikegrb> so I gave her the wifi card from my laptop sense it has onboard 21:44 < mikegrb> yup 21:45 < mikegrb> well just loose but yes 21:45 < mikegrb> my laptop just sits in the living room anyway 21:46 < caker> What sound quality setting do you have your vonage set to? 21:46 < mikegrb> the low quality, I think its 30ish 21:46 < mikegrb> had it on 90 and it worked fine but my router had issues 21:46 < mikegrb> if we pulled up a webpage or something at the same time the connection would be dropped 21:46 < caker> So from the cisco unit, you plug a normal phone? What about wiring the rest of the house? 21:46 < caker> ahh 21:47 < mikegrb> right 21:47 < mikegrb> though if the house is disconnected at the NIC at the back you can just plug a short patch cable from the back of it to the nearest jack in the wall 21:47 < mikegrb> bingo whole house hooked up 21:48 < caker> ok, i actually know what you're talking about 21:48 < caker> that's very impressive 21:48 < mikegrb> heh 21:48 < mikegrb> though we don't have that 21:48 < mikegrb> I finally convinced my wife to get some spiffy 5.8 ghz cordless phones 21:48 < caker> ahh bright idea 21:49 < mikegrb> one of those multiple phones to one base jobbies 21:49 < mikegrb> told her it couldn't coexist with the 2.4 wifi 21:49 < mikegrb> which of course isn't totally a lie 21:49 < caker> heh 21:49 < mikegrb> it's pretty convienent though 21:49 < mikegrb> one is normally on the coffee table the other on the living room bookshelf on a remote charger 21:50 < mikegrb> when the phone beeps b/c low bettery (normally when on it) hit the transfer button pick up the other phone and place the dead one on that charger 21:51 < caker> $0.05 to the UK, $0.18 if they're on a mobile 21:51 < caker> interesting 21:51 < mikegrb> there prices are pretty good 21:51 < mikegrb> their 21:51 < mikegrb> their 21:51 < mikegrb> er 21:51 < mikegrb> thier 21:51 < mikegrb> whatever 21:51 < caker> lol 21:53 -!- caker_ [~caker@webuser.xbox-linux.sf.net] has joined #linode 21:54 -!- caker_ is now known as caker-screen 21:54 < mikegrb> heh 21:54 < caker> ooo 21:54 < tjfontaine> :-) 21:54 < tjfontaine> gotta fix that login name :-) 21:54 < mikegrb> heh since he's comming from your box, his ip matches 21:54 -!- caker-screen [~caker@webuser.xbox-linux.sf.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:54 -!- caker-screen [~caker@webuser.xbox-linux.sf.net] has joined #linode 21:54 < tjfontaine> much better 21:55 < mikegrb> heh 21:55 < tjfontaine> mike how do you make it load proxy on startup? 21:55 < mikegrb> ummm 21:55 < mikegrb> good question 21:55 < tjfontaine> I always have to restart 21:55 < mikegrb> oh I know 21:55 < mikegrb> don't reboot 21:55 < caker-screen> heh 21:55 < mikegrb> ;) 21:55 < caker-screen> thanks 21:55 < mikegrb> I know there is a way... 21:56 < mikegrb> not sure 21:56 < mikegrb> you can put a file of commands to execute on startup 21:56 < tjfontaine> ok caker, /msg coming your way 21:56 < caker> cool 21:56 < mikegrb> what I really need to do is setup my screenrc to run irssi in the first tty 21:56 < tjfontaine> no just connect to my node like it was a regular irc server with that password and you're set 21:57 < caker> er, ip? 21:57 < mikegrb> then add a startup script to just startup screen detatched as my user on bootup 21:57 < tjfontaine> you can also login to the node via conventional terms and screen -R to get into irssi 21:57 < tjfontaine> li3-72 21:57 < tjfontaine> mikegrb: ya 21:58 < tjfontaine> so for instance /server li3-72.members.linode.com 6667 21:58 < mikegrb> tjfontaine: you're gonna have to get a second ip ;) 21:58 < tjfontaine> mikegrb: I know :-) 21:58 < mikegrb> have the irc cgi client bind to one address and you use another 21:58 < tjfontaine> mikegrb: yup yup 21:58 < mikegrb> hmmm I wonder if the host mask would mess up dcc 21:58 < mikegrb> I don't think so 21:58 < tjfontaine> caker: have I lost you? 21:59 < mikegrb> the client tells the other client what it's ip address is 21:59 < tjfontaine> mikegrb: if you set, "find ip from server"... 21:59 < tjfontaine> i've not try dcc'ing through proxy yet 21:59 < caker> tjfontaine: connection refused .. 21:59 < caker> let me doublecheck 21:59 < mikegrb> heh 21:59 < tjfontaine> uh I might not have re loaded proxy 21:59 < tjfontaine> try now :-) 22:00 < caker-screen> ok spooky 22:00 < tjfontaine> heh 22:00 < tjfontaine> that simple 22:00 < mikegrb> :) 22:00 < tjfontaine> you were automatically "joined" to pre-existing channels 22:00 < caker> Do you guys get disconnects as ppl report on the forums? 22:00 < mikegrb> no 22:00 < mikegrb> I haven't 22:00 < mikegrb> like I mentioned in that thread 22:00 < tjfontaine> now watch something else cool 22:01 < mikegrb> what are you watching now? 22:01 < caker> hah 22:01 < mikegrb> the matrix thing? 22:01 < tjfontaine> you were just joined into #xbox-linux-devel by me doing it on irssi 22:01 < mikegrb> heh 22:01 < mikegrb> oh 22:01 < mikegrb> heh 22:01 < caker> in my "screen" session, right? 22:01 < tjfontaine> yes, and also your proxy client 22:01 < caker> but other people who connect to that proxy have their own set of joined channels? 22:02 < mikegrb> it's meant to be used by one person 22:02 < caker> gotcha 22:02 < tjfontaine> right, it sets up psuedo irc servers... so for each person it requires a different port 22:02 < caker> aka eggdrop? 22:02 < caker> is eggdrop similar? 22:02 < mikegrb> I haven't used it 22:02 < tjfontaine> to what extent? 22:03 < tjfontaine> setting listening telnet ports for interaction? 22:03 < caker> not sure, just a lot of people ask about it/run it 22:03 < tjfontaine> eggdrop is an irc bot 22:03 < mikegrb> I think it is mainly a bot 22:03 < caker> ok 22:03 -!- mode/#linode [+o caker-screen] by caker 22:04 -!- mode/#linode [-o caker-screen] by caker 22:04 < tjfontaine> you *could* tell it to play back everything from one channel back into your telnet or dcc connection 22:04 < tjfontaine> the eggdrop that is 22:05 < caker> is there a "backdoor" into irssi via irc commands? 22:05 < mikegrb> like controlling a bot? 22:05 < tjfontaine> dunno what you mean... 22:05 < mikegrb> there is a bot module for irssi but it isn't enabled by default 22:05 < caker> dunno, just asking out of curiosity .. like to tell it to do stuff (play back last 30 lines, see connections, etc) 22:06 < tjfontaine> oh ya 22:06 < mikegrb> i told him about that plug 22:06 < tjfontaine> oh 22:06 * tjfontaine backspaces 22:06 < caker> :) 22:06 < mikegrb> I didn't look into doing it much but /I/ want a way to controll it from the client connected to the prxoy 22:07 < mikegrb> ie, aliases and what not being able to type them in in xchat and irssi tries to interpret and handle the commands, if not it hands it to the real irc server 22:07 < mikegrb> I didn't see anything that indicated this is possible :/ 22:07 < caker> right like an /irssi command 22:08 < mikegrb> yes 22:08 < mikegrb> that would be ideal for doing things like lastlog 22:08 < mikegrb> in irssi you can do /lastlog and effectively grep the scroll back buffer 22:09 < mikegrb> or /lastlog and get what was said at that time 22:09 < mikegrb> I'd like to be able to use these from the proxy 22:09 < tjfontaine> but I really love irssi proxy because both work and home are connected at once and are logging :-) 22:09 < tjfontaine> with no detriment to performace 22:09 < tjfontaine> *performance 22:09 < mikegrb> right 22:09 < caker> plus bad ass reverse dns 22:09 < mikegrb> so you don't have the scroll back problem 22:10 < tjfontaine> well that thanks mostly to mikegrb :-) 22:10 < mikegrb> heh 22:10 < tjfontaine> and linode.com for great TOS and one bad ass owner/operator 22:10 < mikegrb> did you see my stab at caker? 22:10 < mikegrb> indeed 22:10 < mikegrb> that was a huge factor too 22:10 < caker> which stab? 22:10 < mikegrb> abt the domain 22:10 < caker> tjfontaine: heh 22:11 < caker> the whisper? 22:11 < tjfontaine> caker are you connected via orion? 22:11 < tjfontaine> the whisper was the whole shrek thing 22:11 < caker> tjfontaine: irc.usermodelinux.org (whereever that points) 22:11 < mikegrb> heh 22:12 < caker> i replied: it was either linode or a porn site 22:12 < caker> :-p 22:12 < tjfontaine> lol 22:12 < mikegrb> io.oftc.net 22:12 < mikegrb> london, uk 22:12 < tjfontaine> I see that too 22:12 < tjfontaine> get on the band wagon 22:12 < tjfontaine> heh 22:13 < mikegrb> li3-58 I think 22:13 < tjfontaine> its not like you need mike to give you rdns heh 22:13 < mikegrb> heh 22:13 < mikegrb> unless he wants a domain he cant have fwd resolve to that ip 22:13 < mikegrb> or doesn't want to 22:14 < mikegrb> brb 22:14 < tjfontaine> I see that the recent oftc server versions have proper channel +s support now 22:15 < caker> man jdike is giving the smack down to someone in #uml .. i love developers 22:16 < tjfontaine> heh 22:16 * tjfontaine likes being a luser 22:16 < mikegrb> heh 22:16 < tjfontaine> whats that quote, "The more knowledge a man gains, the less freedom he has" 22:17 < caker> hmm 22:17 < mikegrb> heh 22:17 < tjfontaine> but think about it 22:17 < caker> freedom == ignorance? 22:17 < tjfontaine> some would say 22:17 < caker> ignorance= == bliss 22:17 < mikegrb> not necessarily 22:17 < tjfontaine> and in some cases I agree 22:18 < mikegrb> more knowledge definatley == less freedom 22:18 < tjfontaine> I was much happier and felt more "free" when I didn't know about the gov't 22:18 < mikegrb> for example caker knows more then me and can't leave the cellphone behind 22:18 < mikegrb> I could care less ;) 22:18 < tjfontaine> heh 22:18 < caker> That is true, but the truth shall set you free 22:18 < tjfontaine> heh 22:18 < mikegrb> tjfontaine: what knowing that I run nuclear reactor for gov't? 22:18 < mikegrb> heh 22:19 < tjfontaine> exactly, I can't sleep at night ;-) 22:19 < mikegrb> heh 22:19 < caker> hmm 22:19 < caker> something i'll need to add to the TOS... 22:19 < mikegrb> though not any more 22:19 < tjfontaine> think about socrates... 22:19 < mikegrb> yes caker? 22:19 < caker> "not responsible for nuclear meltdowns" 22:19 < tjfontaine> heh 22:19 < mikegrb> lol 22:20 < mikegrb> I was worried for a moment there 22:20 < tjfontaine> "no illegal reverse dns" 22:20 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has joined #linode 22:20 < mikegrb> I'm not in nuclear power anymore, since that last 8 months or so 22:20 < mikegrb> medically disqualified now 22:20 < tjfontaine> disqualified? 22:20 < tjfontaine> you got too much radiation? 22:20 < caker> anything involving radioactive material? 22:20 < mikegrb> still got the 1/4million education 22:20 < caker> ouch 22:21 < tjfontaine> mikegrb: you could teach it! :-) 22:21 < mikegrb> nah only around 2-3 mrem over 2 years 22:21 < mikegrb> heh 22:21 < tjfontaine> heh 22:21 < mikegrb> I had surger on my lef 22:21 < mikegrb> er leg 22:21 < mikegrb> the dr's were never sure what caused it 22:21 < caker> mikegrb: you said you're mid 20s, and have worked for the nuclear industry? 22:21 < tjfontaine> what you think you can out-run a melt down? 22:21 < mikegrb> they think it was cat scratch 22:21 < mikegrb> caker, yes 21 22:21 < caker> damn, kid 22:21 < tjfontaine> damn gov't 22:21 < tjfontaine> ! 22:22 < caker> mikegrb: what's your degree(s) in ? 22:22 < mikegrb> I joined the navy at 17, left at 18 was learning nuclear power by 18.5 and playing with reactor by 19.5 22:22 < caker> (talk about bad grammar) 22:22 < caker> awesome 22:22 < mikegrb> ywa 22:22 < mikegrb> we 22:22 < mikegrb> ywa 22:22 < mikegrb> sMN 22:22 < tjfontaine> lol 22:22 < mikegrb> er 22:22 < mikegrb> damn 22:22 < tjfontaine> mike is drunk again 22:23 < tjfontaine> I gotta replay that one 22:23 < mikegrb> no degree, was all navy schools, though I've got right at abt 100 college credits in stuff from EE related to quantum physics 22:23 < mikegrb> my quantum physics instructor was hot ;) 22:23 < tjfontaine> mikegrb: rofl 22:23 < caker> oh man 22:23 < tjfontaine> where's heidi now? 22:23 < mikegrb> paid lots of attention in that class 22:23 < mikegrb> ssssh 22:24 < tjfontaine> heh 22:24 < caker> i can hear it now: 22:24 < mikegrb> she's still on the phone 22:24 < caker> "I'd like to test some theories on her..." 22:24 < tjfontaine> heh 22:24 < mikegrb> heh 22:24 < tjfontaine> relatively speaking... 22:24 < caker> of course 22:24 < mikegrb> haha 22:24 < caker> bodies in motion... 22:24 < tjfontaine> rofl 22:24 < mikegrb> heh 22:25 < mikegrb> some of the stuff was interesting 22:25 < mikegrb> well just abt all of it 22:25 < mikegrb> we had lots of great toys 22:25 < mikegrb> you've never soldered until you've soldered at a $600 solder station 22:25 < mikegrb> learned about cigarettes 22:25 < caker> "Learn Nuclear Reactors in 21 days" ? 22:25 < tjfontaine> naw 22:26 < tjfontaine> sams teach yourself Nukes in 24hrs 22:26 < mikegrb> told heidi I know enough to make an informed decesion abt cigarettes 22:26 < mikegrb> yes 22:26 < mikegrb> on safari 22:26 < tjfontaine> heh 22:26 < mikegrb> I get more radiation from one cigarette then a year of working 12hr days around the plant 22:26 < mikegrb> and the cigarette doesn't have much radiation 22:27 < mikegrb> they do crazy stuff though 22:27 < mikegrb> the reactor where I worked is in a sub, though permanently moored 22:27 < mikegrb> they aren't allowed to dump anything in the river 22:27 < caker> do they moth-ball nuclear subs, or just keep them running like that? 22:27 < mikegrb> they would be in violation by dumping tap water in the river (too many contaminates) 22:28 < mikegrb> they trap crabs on the river bed and since they feed on the bottom, put the crab in a blender and then count the crab with a radiac to measure for radioactivity 22:28 < mikegrb> they normally get dismantled 22:29 < tjfontaine> bleh 22:29 < tjfontaine> I just lost my appetite 22:29 < caker> sold on ebat 22:29 < caker> ebay 22:29 < mikegrb> they keep a couble (2-4) around for training or power on a base 22:29 < mikegrb> heh 22:29 < mikegrb> there is so much un=necessary regulatory crap involved 22:30 < tjfontaine> I don't want to be the one who decides whats unnecessary... 22:30 < tjfontaine> like the fbi kid that said "heh whos gonna fly a plane into a building" 22:30 < mikegrb> water that is clean enough to be drunk be shipped in tripple walled yellow container trucks with police escorts 22:30 < mikegrb> heh 22:31 < mikegrb> guess it makes people feel safer though 22:31 < tjfontaine> damn straight :-) 22:31 < mikegrb> one of my instructors always said "The biggest problem with Nuclear Power...." 22:31 < mikegrb> "... is it's name" 22:31 < tjfontaine> heh 22:31 < tjfontaine> there is certainly truth in that 22:31 < caker> steam power 22:32 < mikegrb> Adm Rickover who started the naval nuke power program drank a big pitcher of primary coolant in front of congress 22:32 < mikegrb> heh 22:32 < mikegrb> nuke power is steam power 22:32 < caker> right 22:34 < mikegrb> time for some radiation^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Ha cigarette 22:34 < tjfontaine> he 22:34 < tjfontaine> h 22:34 * tjfontaine had his allotment for the day 22:35 < caker> what brand do you smoke? 22:35 < tjfontaine> I do Camel Turkish Golds mostly 22:35 < tjfontaine> when ever their domestic special blends are on sale I switch it up some 22:38 < caker> grr .. the i/o schedular in 2.4.21/22 is frustrating 22:38 < tjfontaine> yup and in one statemnet you've prepared yourself to fly over my head 22:38 < tjfontaine> but I'm gonna ask anyway... Why? 22:39 < caker> it just has problems 22:39 < caker> sits there with work to do, but doesn't do it (bugs not releasing pages, it gets stuck) 22:39 < tjfontaine> 2.6 any better? 22:39 < tjfontaine> in that regard 22:39 < caker> since 2.4.23-pre5, it has the same schedular as 2.6 (anticipatory I/O schedular) 22:41 < tjfontaine> I see 22:41 < caker> I have 2.4.23-pre5 running on host9 and host10 22:41 < caker> seems to be working better... 22:41 < tjfontaine> oh oh thats me 22:41 < caker> The only host where it's become a problem is host7... 22:42 < caker> unfortunately, there the people I moved off host4 (a bogus machine, or some yet-to-be-determined bug) 22:42 < caker> s/there/they're 22:42 < tjfontaine> ah 22:42 < tjfontaine> fun stuff 22:44 < mikegrb> heh 22:44 < mikegrb> monster garage is a good one 22:44 < tjfontaine> I've gotta get rest tonight 22:44 < tjfontaine> later cats 22:44 < mikegrb> it's the team and same project that was the first to fail back in the first season 22:45 < mikegrb> gn tjfontaine 22:45 < caker> see ya 22:45 < caker> I'm off for a bit, too .. 22:45 < caker> l8r 22:45 < mikegrb> see ya 22:45 < mikegrb> yha 23:32 < caker> just released 2.4.23-pre8 Linode kernel 23:35 < mikegrb> saw that 23:35 < mikegrb> if a could schedule changes I'd set it for next reboot ;) 23:35 < mikegrb> or can I change a profile even though it is already booted 23:35 < caker> yeah 23:36 < caker> i think resize is still the only thing to take advantage of schedualed jobs (so far) 23:36 < mikegrb> oh it does it now? 23:36 < caker> no, i mean in that scenario :) 23:37 < mikegrb> oh heh 23:37 * mikegrb had rushed off to the control panel 23:37 < caker> hehh 23:38 * mikegrb just got mail from home to fwd to linode 23:38 < mikegrb> (mail to be delivered locally at home) 23:39 < mikegrb> now I shall get the cron emails for things such as the nightly backup 23:39 < caker> cool 23:39 < mikegrb> now I just need to switch the daily from midnight 23:40 < mikegrb> I had switched it but I also switched the mailto email addy in the crontab to a non local address (to the linode) but never got any email from it 23:40 < caker> how come? 23:40 < caker> erk, afk for a few 23:40 < mikegrb> I wasn't sure if I had just fuxored the when settings 23:41 < mikegrb> or if vcron didn't support MAILTO being non local 23:42 < mikegrb> it hasn't run properly at night sense then, should run fine tonight (/me crosses fingers) if so I will change time tommorow and then if that is fine then I'll try chaning the MAILTO to point right at the linode 23:42 * mikegrb must change one thing at a time 23:43 -!- Artifex [~Arti@dhcp065-025-115-230.neo.rr.com] has joined #linode 23:43 < Artifex> mikegrb: hi there. :-) 23:43 < mikegrb> hello 23:43 < mikegrb> order yet? 23:43 < Artifex> mikegrb: i just finally convinced myself 23:43 < Artifex> hehe 23:43 < mikegrb> heh good job! 23:44 < Artifex> 128 package + 2IPs 23:44 < mikegrb> that makes two for me :) 23:44 < mikegrb> heh me too 23:44 < mikegrb> can't beat the price 23:44 < Artifex> pretty nice deal, esp on the hd space 23:44 < mikegrb> well and the TOS/AUP 23:44 < mikegrb> that is absolutely unbeatable 23:44 < Artifex> yeah, read em over, looked PRETTY decent 23:44 < mikegrb> don't spam/don't hack 23:44 < mikegrb> heh indeed 23:44 < Artifex> couple of minor things i'd take issue with, but... 23:45 < Artifex> hehe 23:45 < mikegrb> heh 23:45 < Artifex> not quite as grey-area-friendly as my tastes prefer, as im sure you've picked up on 23:45 < mikegrb> caker should be back in a few minutes 23:45 < mikegrb> heh yes 23:45 < mikegrb> for your "project" 23:45 < mikegrb> well I guess it is project w/o the quotes 23:45 < Artifex> hehe 23:45 < Artifex> that reminds me 23:46 < mikegrb> it's a legitiment project 23:46 < Artifex> have to go check on this build 23:46 < Artifex> brb 23:46 < mikegrb> heh np 23:46 < Artifex> nope, still not done 23:46 < Artifex> this ones taking a damned long time, hehe 23:46 < Artifex> yes, compleatly legitimate 23:46 < Artifex> well... assuming people dont go switching their licensing on me before i can release 23:46 < Artifex> heh 23:47 < caker> bak 23:47 < mikegrb> legitimate != legitiment, legitimate is indeed what I meant 23:47 < mikegrb> heh 23:47 < mikegrb> caker: you have a new customer 23:47 < mikegrb> heh 23:47 < Artifex> caker: hi. :-) 23:47 < mikegrb> whole xbox-linux team will be on linode before I'm done 23:47 < Artifex> lol 23:47 < mikegrb> we'll have to add sponsered by linode.com to the bottom of the page 23:47 < Artifex> eep, i heard a beep, build might be done 23:48 < Artifex> brb 23:48 < mikegrb> heh 23:48 < Artifex> woot, it was done... but.. 23:48 < Artifex> TESTGUI2 - 18 error(s), 0 warning(s) 23:48 < Artifex> :-( 23:48 < caker> ohh 23:48 < Artifex> anyways... getting back on topic... 23:48 < Artifex> how long before i can expect 'the call'? 23:49 < caker> let me run you through my validation script and see if you're legit 23:49 < mikegrb> heh 23:49 < caker> hmm, you weren't a good boy in grade school 23:49 < Artifex> who was? 23:49 < mikegrb> you arti 23:49 < Artifex> no, i'm saying... 23:49 < Artifex> 'who was' 23:49 < Artifex> sarcastically 23:49 < Artifex> as in... 23:49 < mikegrb> oh heh 23:49 < Artifex> oh nevermind 23:49 < mikegrb> sorry 23:49 < mikegrb> sarcastic filter was off 23:50 < mikegrb> getting anoyed by this version database entries 23:50 < mikegrb> stupid people submit just date of manufacture, purchase and country 23:50 < caker> Artifex: all set, thanks! 23:50 < mikegrb> not terribly useful 23:51 < mikegrb> caker does it take manual intervention to setup a new user or is it done in batches? I noticed it seemed speedier then I expected it to take 23:51 < caker> origionally the entire thing was automated 23:52 < caker> but I had problems with people signing up with stolen info 23:52 < mikegrb> oh 23:52 < mikegrb> tis the net 23:52 < caker> enough stolen info to make me think nothing was secure anymore (if it ever was) 23:52 < caker> so now 23:52 < mikegrb> 128's soldout again 23:52 < caker> it does what it used to, but doesn't set the active flag 23:52 < mikegrb> ah 23:52 < caker> so I have time to review/void 23:53 < caker> it's an incredible problem 23:53 < mikegrb> how often do you add new servers? host 10 was just added a week ago and is now full 23:53 < mikegrb> well and there were 128's available a few days before host 10 was up 23:54 < caker> host10 has a few open slots.. the Linode 64 servers sell a lot faster 23:54 < caker> and close to the end of the month, you start to get some churn 23:54 < caker> which opens slots 23:54 < mikegrb> ahh 23:54 < caker> I can't keep up, honestly 23:54 < mikegrb> heh 23:54 < mikegrb> well the site says no 128's 23:54 < caker> There was about a week longer than I wanted delay while getting HE setup 23:55 < mikegrb> on the linodes page 23:55 < caker> but I'm averaging about a new server ever two weeks 23:55 < caker> 192s 23:55 < mikegrb> :) 23:55 < caker> 12 Linde 128's available, no? 23:55 < mikegrb> silly me 23:55 < mikegrb> I though there was anoter one in between 23:55 < caker> sold those today, but I don't have that machine set to be full 23:55 < mikegrb> s/anoter/another 23:56 < caker> I'm thinking about getting rid of Linode 256, and creating a Linode 96 plan 23:56 < caker> for $30 23:56 < caker> not sure.. 23:56 < mikegrb> that would sell better then 256 :) 23:56 < caker> I probably won't 23:56 < caker> yeah 23:57 < mikegrb> would give people who aren't sure they want to upgrade a little more reason 23:57 < caker> right now everything is double .. 23:57 < caker> double specs, double price 23:57 < mikegrb> right 23:57 < caker> I guess it wouldn't be that confusing to add a 1/2 in between the 64 and 128 23:58 -!- Artifex [~Arti@dhcp065-025-115-230.neo.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 492 seconds] 23:58 < mikegrb> right 23:58 < mikegrb> give people smaller steps 23:58 < mikegrb> might increase revenue well you don't oversell 23:58 < mikegrb> hmm 23:58 < caker> revenue per host is linear 23:58 < caker> too 23:58 < caker> which is nice 23:59 < mikegrb> hmm I dunno 23:59 < mikegrb> would be a good plan 23:59 < mikegrb> from user pt 23:59 < caker> You're right, it would attract the "i want more than the basic one, but not as much as double" thought ;) --- Log closed Tue Oct 28 00:00:00 2003 --- Log opened Tue Oct 28 00:00:02 2003 00:00 < mikegrb> get people who aren't sure if they should upgrade or not who do then aren't using all their cpu and what not 00:00 < mikegrb> heh 00:00 < mikegrb> you should use irssi inside screen for logging 00:00 < mikegrb> it rotates logs w/o leaving channel 00:00 < caker> for some reason, ever since I setup the second channel for logging, it leaves and comes back 00:00 < caker> doesn't do that for the #uml channel 00:00 < mikegrb> oh 00:01 < caker> er 00:01 < mikegrb> heh 00:01 < caker> maybe I'm blocking those in my client 00:01 < caker> in #uml 00:01 < mikegrb> heh 00:01 < mikegrb> <-- UML_ChanLog (~stats@64.35.99.206) has left #uml (Rotating Logs) 00:01 < mikegrb> --> UML_ChanLog (~stats@64.35.99.206) has joined #um 00:01 < caker> yeah 00:01 < caker> damn 00:01 < caker> http://www.linode.com/uml/irc/stats/ 00:02 < mikegrb> I need to set gruftistats or something to run again 00:02 < mikegrb> I've got #mythtv on freenode logs back to sept/october of 2002 00:02 < mikegrb> and mythtv has only been around since shortly before then 00:03 < caker> what is that? 00:03 < mikegrb> heh 00:04 < mikegrb> irssistats 00:04 < caker> yeah :-p 00:04 < mikegrb> mythtv == like tivo 00:04 < mikegrb> open source pvr software 00:04 < Artifex> wha? 00:04 < mikegrb> it's what I use linux for on the xbox 00:04 < Artifex> mythtv != tivo AT ALL 00:04 < caker> i had to hack the parser to work with the output of my logger (statslog) 00:04 < Artifex> mythtv > tivo 00:04 < mikegrb> bah! 00:04 < Artifex> by a long shot 00:04 < mikegrb> heh okay 00:04 < Artifex> LOOOONG shot 00:04 < mikegrb> mythtv supports networking 00:05 < caker> so you just need a video capture card and the software and a hard drive? 00:05 < Artifex> yup 00:05 < caker> hmmm 00:05 < mikegrb> so I have a box upstairs that records shows and what not and I watch them on the xbox 00:05 < caker> video capture card or tuner card thing? 00:05 < Artifex> either or 00:05 < mikegrb> you tell it a show name, it'll record whenever it's on 00:05 < Artifex> depends on how you set up 00:05 < mikegrb> right 00:05 < mikegrb> it can control a cable box for tuning 00:05 < caker> if no tuner, then you need something external (like a vcr) 00:05 < caker> how? 00:05 < Artifex> i'm on a rather twisted mythtv+videolan+xp-media-center setup now, hehehe 00:06 < caker> Are there cable boxes with serial ports or something? 00:06 < mikegrb> some do 00:06 < Artifex> i have serial going to one box 00:06 < mikegrb> but myth can use lirc and an ir transmitter 00:06 < Artifex> IR to another 00:06 < caker> yeah IR 00:06 < caker> freaking cool :) 00:06 < mikegrb> ckrt cost about $10 to make 00:06 < mikegrb> www.mythtv.org 00:06 < mikegrb> check out the screen shots 00:06 < Artifex> and my folk's replaytv boxes... 00:06 < Artifex> well, talks to those over the network. :-D 00:06 < mikegrb> auto commercial flagging and skip too 00:07 < mikegrb> heh 00:07 < mikegrb> Artifex: I didn't realize you use mythtv 00:07 < caker> nice overlays 00:07 < mikegrb> caker: best of all, mythtv on the xbox can change the xbox led color to indicate if the computer on the network is recording or not 00:07 < Artifex> i've been known to 00:07 < caker> heh 00:07 < mikegrb> I dunno if the new ones are up 00:08 < caker> picture in picture 00:08 < Artifex> prefer videolan for watching stuff recorded off the cable/sattalite on the pc, tho 00:08 < mikegrb> yha the visorosd 00:08 < Artifex> brb 00:08 < mikegrb> caker does closed captions too, instead of black box it uses alpha transparency for the box 00:08 < caker> yeah 00:09 < caker> noticed that for some of the other overlays 00:09 < mikegrb> I wrote some closed captions stuff for it 00:09 < mikegrb> minor stuff 00:09 < caker> neat 00:09 < mikegrb> remember if you want it on or off and use that next time and fixed some display glitches 00:09 < mikegrb> well and of course I did the xbox led stuff 00:09 < caker> heh 00:09 < caker> are you a c/c++/asm guy? 00:09 < mikegrb> it's great glancing down and seeing the led change from green to red 00:09 < mikegrb> some c/c++ 00:09 < mikegrb> not a lot 00:10 * Artifex is 00:10 < Artifex> a LOT 00:10 < Artifex> heh 00:10 < mikegrb> heh indeed 00:10 < caker> Artifex: what's your project 00:10 < Artifex> mostly the REALLY crazy stuff (ie PBL), too, hehehehe 00:10 < Artifex> caker: my current project? 00:10 < caker> nod 00:10 < Artifex> hehe, cant tell 00:10 < Artifex> buuuut 00:10 < Artifex> it's a port of a rather popular OS to the xbox. :-) 00:11 < Artifex> caker, you have an xbox? 00:11 < caker> no :( 00:11 < Artifex> you should. 00:11 < mikegrb> not yet ;) 00:11 * mikegrb needs to sell the ps2 00:11 < Artifex> hey, FLCL is one 00:11 < Artifex> :-D 00:11 < Artifex> *on 00:11 < caker> hmm 00:11 < caker> rather popular OS that runs on i386... 00:11 < caker> linux 00:11 < mikegrb> flcl? 00:12 < caker> nope, already does 00:12 < caker> windows? 00:12 < caker> not sure why you'd want too 00:12 < caker> bsd/freebsd perhaps? 00:12 < mikegrb> heh the xbox's native kernel is a win2000 based one 00:12 < caker> right 00:12 < Artifex> mikegrb: turn on cartoon network right now 00:12 < caker> But you can't get to explorer? 00:12 < caker> right? 00:12 < mikegrb> aye 00:12 < Artifex> mikegrb: heh, it wont make much sense, since it's halfway into the series 00:12 < mikegrb> right 00:12 < Artifex> but 00:13 < Artifex> it's my favorite anime mini-series ever 00:13 < mikegrb> there is no explorer 00:13 < mikegrb> ahh 00:13 < Artifex> it's... 00:13 < Artifex> hyper-crazy 00:13 < Artifex> and the music is amazing 00:13 < mikegrb> I think heidi is watching something not sure, she's playing on her laptop too 00:13 < Artifex> and the animation is mind-blowing at times 00:13 < Artifex> they switch styles so quickly... 00:13 < Artifex> it's a tour de force of anime 00:13 < mikegrb> is this the one with bounty hunters and stuff? 00:14 < Artifex> they all have bountyhunters 00:14 < Artifex> lol 00:14 < Artifex> no, it's a 6 episode miniseries 00:14 < Artifex> lol, they're doing south-park spoof part right now 00:14 < mikegrb> well 00:14 < Artifex> missed it 00:14 < mikegrb> shows what I know about anime 00:15 < mikegrb> yha I picked up on the south park bits 00:15 < Artifex> hehe 00:15 < mikegrb> there was one I was watching on sunday nights or some such 00:15 < mikegrb> only thing on at 1am 00:15 < Artifex> big-o 00:15 < Artifex> ? 00:15 < Artifex> oh 00:15 < Artifex> blue gender 00:15 < Artifex> blech 00:16 < mikegrb> I dunno there was some crazy stong guy 00:16 < Artifex> blue gender is depressing as hell 00:16 < mikegrb> 20 people would go in an old west saloon to get him and he'd come out the only one alive 00:17 < Artifex> oh 00:17 < Artifex> thats not blue gender 00:17 < Artifex> thats, erm... 00:17 < Artifex> crap.. whats his name... 00:17 < Artifex> Trigun 00:17 < Artifex> ? 00:18 < mikegrb> trigun 00:18 < mikegrb> yha that's it 00:18 < Artifex> yeah 00:18 < Artifex> trigun's ok, sometimes 00:21 < mikegrb> heh heidi switched it back to dharma and greg 00:21 < mikegrb> she didn't like it 00:22 < Artifex> :- 00:22 < Artifex> \ 00:22 < Artifex> all well 00:22 < Artifex> it's great 00:23 < Artifex> take my word for it 00:23 < Artifex> :-) 00:23 < Artifex> brb 00:40 < Artifex> yeah, so, i'm already extremely satisfied with linode 00:41 < Artifex> caker: kudos. Excellent work, here. 00:41 < caker> crap, i was dead wrong about the anticipatory schedular in 2.4.23 00:41 < caker> Artifex: cool :) 00:41 < caker> Artifex: thank you 00:43 < Artifex> being able to ssh to the uml console is killer, too 00:44 < caker> couldn't live without that 00:44 < Artifex> now i just have to convince my friend Nick to give me that domain.... 00:45 < caker> which domain? 00:45 < Artifex> fa.gs 00:45 < caker> heh 00:45 < Artifex> lol 01:07 -!- jax [~Nimaj@24-161-88-208.hvc.rr.com] has joined #linode 01:08 < jax> where is UML_ChanLog logging this channel to? 01:12 < Artifex> so, is there any way to see resource usage on the physical box my virtual sits on? 01:12 < Artifex> so i can get an idea of how much processor time is available at any given moment? 01:32 -!- artifex_ [~artifex@li3-105.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 01:33 < artifex_> :-) 01:34 -!- artifex_ [~artifex@li3-105.members.linode.com] has quit [Client Quit] 01:41 < caker> http://www.linode.com/irc/logs/ 01:41 < caker> Artifex: no, but loadavg on the hosts is usually < 1 01:43 < caker> plus these are dual-proc hosts, so that kind of messed up the min mhz calculation (in your favor) 01:45 < Artifex> lol 01:45 < Artifex> ok, was just curious 01:45 < caker> that kind of stuff (host i/o and cpu graphs) are on my to-do list 01:46 < Artifex> haha, now i have 5 sytems doing builds at the same time 01:46 < Artifex> including my frontend box 01:46 -!- jax [~Nimaj@24-161-88-208.hvc.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 01:46 < Artifex> i feel powerfull 01:46 < Artifex> or pathetic 01:46 < Artifex> not sure which. :-) 01:46 < caker> separate builds or like distcc or something? 01:47 < Artifex> no, all building different things 01:49 < Artifex> emerging apache on the linode... building my project on this box and another box... watching over the nightly builds on one of the office boxes, and toying with something in c# 01:49 < caker> excellent 01:50 < Artifex> the 'project' im working on... theres alot of downtime, because it takes 20-40 minutes to build the image each time :-\ 01:50 < Artifex> so i'll usually have 2-4 builds of it going at a time, heh... 01:50 < Artifex> will start a build... make some more changes to the source.. start a second build on another box... make some other changes and start another build... 01:51 < Artifex> and test each build when it gets around to finishing 01:51 < Artifex> it's getting to be a chore just to keep track of what's building where, and when it'll be done, hehe 01:52 -!- artifex_ [~artifex@li3-105.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 01:55 < Artifex> wish i could build it in linux... might make keeping track of things a bit easier 01:55 < Artifex> well, anyways, im off to sleep. cant wait to show off my 'new colo box' at the office tomorrow 01:55 < Artifex> hehehe 01:55 < caker> nice 01:56 < caker> cya Artifex 01:56 < Artifex> night. :-) 01:56 * Artifex is away: sleeping time 02:28 -!- guinea-sleep is now known as guinea-pig 05:19 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 492 seconds] 06:11 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #linode 06:18 -!- Acid_Duck [~ducky@HSE-Montreal-ppp124038.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #linode 06:19 -!- Acid_Duck [~ducky@HSE-Montreal-ppp124038.qc.sympatico.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 07:29 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12hdtlh.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: pop] 07:51 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has joined #linode 09:04 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [charon.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net] 09:04 -!- Efudd- [~jasonl@208.254.218.57] has quit [charon.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net] 09:04 -!- guinea-pig [orion@parsed.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net] 09:04 -!- caker-screen [~caker@webuser.xbox-linux.sf.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net] 09:04 -!- tjfontaine [~tjfontain@xbox-linux.sf.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net] 09:04 -!- mikegrb [me@xbox-linux.sf.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net] 09:04 -!- caker [~null@pcp508196pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net] 09:04 -!- Artifex [~Arti@dhcp065-025-115-230.neo.rr.com] has quit [charon.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net] 09:04 -!- rko [~risto@dallas.kotalampi.com] has quit [charon.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net] 09:04 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has quit [charon.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net] 09:04 -!- artifex_ [~artifex@li3-105.members.linode.com] has quit [charon.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net] 09:05 -!- caker [~null@pcp508196pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net] has joined #linode 09:05 -!- guinea-pig [orion@parsed.net] has joined #linode 09:05 -!- mode/#linode [+oo caker guinea-pig ] by charon.oftc.net 09:05 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has joined #linode 09:05 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #linode 09:05 -!- artifex_ [~artifex@li3-105.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 09:05 -!- Artifex [~Arti@dhcp065-025-115-230.neo.rr.com] has joined #linode 09:05 -!- caker-screen [~caker@webuser.xbox-linux.sf.net] has joined #linode 09:05 -!- rko [~risto@dallas.kotalampi.com] has joined #linode 09:05 -!- Efudd- [~jasonl@208.254.218.57] has joined #linode 09:05 -!- tjfontaine [~tjfontain@xbox-linux.sf.net] has joined #linode 09:05 -!- mikegrb [me@xbox-linux.sf.net] has joined #linode 09:10 -!- sunny [~sunny@128.238.241.134] has joined #linode 09:12 * Artifex is away: off to work 10:57 -!- jax [~stbe@148.100.215.202] has joined #linode 11:04 -!- artifex_ [~artifex@li3-105.members.linode.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:09 -!- Artifexx [~Artifex@216.144.24.226] has joined #linode 11:47 -!- sunny [~sunny@128.238.241.134] has quit [Quit: pop] 11:55 * jax is away: networking 11:59 < Artifexx> quick question... 12:00 < Artifexx> do the kernel's have grsec? (jooc) 12:01 < Artifexx> or would they even need them... 12:02 * Artifexx pokes caker 12:02 * jax is back (gone 00:07:52) 12:08 < Artifexx> caker: when you're around... do any of the kernels have grsec? will they? 12:40 -!- Efudd- [~jasonl@208.254.218.57] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14 -!- Efudd- [~jasonl@208.254.218.57] has joined #linode 13:17 -!- Efudd- [~jasonl@208.254.218.57] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17 -!- Efudd- [~jasonl@208.254.218.57] has joined #linode 13:21 * Efudd- ponders if ansi-ish-posix-ish C has a strtoupr type function 13:22 < caker> Artifex: no, let me see how badly uml and grsec merge 13:22 < Artifexx> lol 13:22 < Artifexx> k 13:22 < Efudd-> newp not ANSI at least. 13:22 < Artifexx> would be nice, is all. :-) 13:50 < caker> re ipv6, supposed to have an answer today 13:50 < caker> heh 13:51 < tjfontaine> groovy 13:52 < mikegrb> :) 13:52 < mikegrb> (/me just woke up) 13:52 < caker> chicky-momma was out sick yesterday 13:52 < mikegrb> hhe 13:52 < mikegrb> er heh 13:53 < mikegrb> 13:46:29 up 6 days, 21:29, 3 users, load average: 0.04, 0.23, 0.28 13:54 < mikegrb> my linode is climbing :) 13:54 < caker> 3 hunks failed (grsec+uml) 13:54 < adamgent> in where load average or uptime 13:54 -!- jax [~stbe@148.100.215.202] has quit [Quit: classes] 13:54 < mikegrb> heh 13:54 < mikegrb> uptime 13:55 < caker> host2 - 13:47:07 up 136 days, 8:25, 0 users, load average: 1.61, 1.48, 1.54 13:55 < caker> :-) 13:55 < tjfontaine> tjfontaine: 13:47:12 up 160 days, 20:27, 2 users, load average: 1.74, 1.26, 1.32 13:55 < mikegrb> bah! 13:55 < tjfontaine> heh 13:56 < Artifexx> up 0 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 13:56 < mikegrb> heh 13:58 < mikegrb> I had an old 486 at my parents house acting as a ruoter 13:58 -!- Efudd [~jason@69.56.173.172] has joined #linode 13:58 < mikegrb> it broke a year, even with full disks 13:58 < mikegrb> that's the power of linux :) 13:59 < caker> Why is it un-attended NAT boxes always have their disks full? Mine does it a few times a year 13:59 < mikegrb> finally died though, don't really know what happened power went out long enough for the ups to fail and the power supply got hurt or some such 13:59 < mikegrb> heh 13:59 < mikegrb> logs 14:00 < caker> mine is always apache cycling (crash-->write to logs-->restart) 14:00 -!- Efudd is now known as EFscreen 14:00 < caker> but it keeps on a-runnin 14:00 < mikegrb> they are using one of those consumer router doobies now 14:00 < caker> ahh 14:00 < EFscreen> theplanet's dns servers seem to maintain quite a long cache time.... 14:00 < caker> for rdns? 14:00 < EFscreen> Yah. Still pulling the old nameservers rather than querying roots for the updates. 14:01 * caker pokes ns1.theplanet.co 14:01 < caker> m 14:01 < EFscreen> 12.96.160.115 is intelligent enough ... 216.* isn't. 14:01 < mikegrb> I thought it was hilarious that they had to have a systems integrator that does networking for bussinesses come out too play with the lan 14:01 < caker> mikegrb: who does? 14:01 < mikegrb> my parents 14:02 < mikegrb> I left a nice setup there, patch pannels, keystone jacks in walls, etc 14:02 * tjfontaine loves keystone 14:03 < mikegrb> I even re-did all the phone lines with cat5e as they were old crappy three conductor cloth insulated jobbies 14:03 < mikegrb> indeed tjfontaine 14:03 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [uranium.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net] 14:03 -!- guinea-pig [orion@parsed.net] has quit [uranium.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net] 14:04 * caker wonders if he's patching in the right place 14:04 -!- guinea-pig [orion@parsed.net] has joined #linode 14:04 -!- mode/#linode [+o guinea-pig ] by charon.oftc.net 14:04 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #linode 14:04 < tjfontaine> did orion go into the main swing? 14:05 < mikegrb> my brother in law like it cause he could plug his laptop in the famliy room and use the dsl connection then when he wants to connect to his corperate lan (dialup only) a simple patch cable change and the jack is magically a phone jack 14:05 < mikegrb> two servers connected 14:05 < mikegrb> there were 3 yesterday 14:06 < mikegrb> must've been backup for one that couldn't connect to it's rightful partner 14:06 * tjfontaine nods 14:07 < tjfontaine> mikegrb: careful what you say lilo's in #oftc :-) 14:07 < mikegrb> that bastard 14:07 < mikegrb> heh 14:07 < tjfontaine> heheh 14:08 < mikegrb> lilo can suck my, well I'm sure you can finish that 14:08 < tjfontaine> heh 14:09 < tjfontaine> I've had plenty of my own runnings 14:09 < mikegrb> freenode is crap 14:09 < tjfontaine> like when he hijacked my channel on freenode 14:09 < mikegrb> but alas several projects have their home there :/ 14:09 < mikegrb> indeed 14:09 < mikegrb> he MUST be in control of everything 14:10 -!- Artifexx [~Artifex@216.144.24.226] has quit [jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net] 14:10 -!- rko [~risto@dallas.kotalampi.com] has quit [jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net] 14:10 -!- Artifex [~Arti@dhcp065-025-115-230.neo.rr.com] has quit [jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net] 14:10 -!- EFscreen [~jason@69.56.173.172] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 14:11 -!- EFscreen [~jason@69.56.173.172] has joined #linode 14:11 -!- Artifexx [~Artifex@216.144.24.226] has joined #linode 14:11 -!- Artifex [~Arti@dhcp065-025-115-230.neo.rr.com] has joined #linode 14:11 -!- rko [~risto@dallas.kotalampi.com] has joined #linode 14:12 < EFscreen> Gotta love it when code works under debugger, but not natively. 14:12 < mikegrb> heh 14:12 < mikegrb> yes 14:14 < EFscreen> this boggles. 14:15 < mikegrb> well it runs the code with a protected memory space and what not 14:15 < EFscreen> -nods- 14:15 < mikegrb> some other extra conditions put on it 14:15 < EFscreen> if i set a breakpoint at the beginning of the offending function, it works. if I don't, fails. But I lack in C. 14:16 < mikegrb> it should run it like normal, but then, I suppose it couldn't do it's job 14:16 < mikegrb> :/ 14:16 < adamgent> it is possible that the break point is adding a sufficent lag in the program to get it to work 14:16 < adamgent> i have had that before, espically when dealing with sockets 14:17 < EFscreen> that'd be odd.. considering this is a simple (!) implementation of strupr() 14:17 -!- rko [~risto@dallas.kotalampi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:17 < adamgent> it is only one possibility 14:17 -!- rko [~risto@64.5.53.140] has joined #linode 14:18 < EFscreen> but i pondered that.. 14:18 < adamgent> but it is unusual for something to work with a breakpoint and without one 14:18 < mikegrb> tjfontaine: some time while I was sleeping, orion got 9 connections at once :) 14:18 < tjfontaine> I did see that in lusers 14:18 < caker> mikegrb: is that other relays? 14:18 < tjfontaine> we had a burst of web clients 14:19 < mikegrb> is the page public yet tjfontaine ? 14:19 < mikegrb> caker: ? 14:19 < tjfontaine> mikegrb: no 14:19 < caker> mikegrb: you mean 9 client connections? 14:19 < mikegrb> yes 14:19 < mikegrb> 2 server connections 14:19 < caker> cool 14:20 < mikegrb> tjfontaine: have you talked to mist about it/ 14:20 < tjfontaine> mikegrb: ya 14:20 < tjfontaine> he wanted people to use chatzilla 14:20 < tjfontaine> yuck! 14:20 < mikegrb> heh 14:20 < mikegrb> he uses it 14:21 < mikegrb> I've never tried it to see what it's like 14:21 < tjfontaine> I told him I would at it and the href but that we should encourage "native" clients 14:21 < tjfontaine> I hate it... 14:21 < mikegrb> heh 14:21 < mikegrb> I noticed irssi was first 14:21 < tjfontaine> yes, cli is always first 14:21 < tjfontaine> then gui 14:21 < tjfontaine> then commercial no oSS 14:21 < mikegrb> then crazy 14:22 < tjfontaine> but alas mist wants chatzilla/mozilla first 14:22 < mikegrb> heh 14:22 < tjfontaine> xchat runs on all virtually popular desktop operating systems 14:22 < mikegrb> heh 14:22 < mikegrb> that parses funny 14:22 < tjfontaine> ya 14:23 < tjfontaine> xchat runs on virtually all popular desktop operating systems 14:23 < mikegrb> like ms win is virtually popular b/c of all the pc's it came with 14:23 < mikegrb> whereas linux /is/ popular b/c everyone who has it installed it b/c they wanted to use it 14:24 < adamgent> a lot of people still find linux hard to use 14:24 < mikegrb> I think I'm going to give mandrake a shot 14:24 < mikegrb> put it on my wifes laptop 14:24 < mikegrb> indeed 14:24 < adamgent> i tend to use linux for servers and windows as a workstation 14:24 < tjfontaine> the wifey will like mdk 14:25 < mikegrb> heidi was complaining last night b/c she wanted to be to get on irc 14:25 < mikegrb> s/be to/be able to/ 14:25 < mikegrb> I'll even put gnome on it 14:25 < tjfontaine> mdk is uber easy 14:25 < tjfontaine> heh 14:25 < mikegrb> what do you use for email? 14:25 < adamgent> so is debian 14:26 < mikegrb> she uses kmail right now and likes it 14:26 < tjfontaine> evolution or squirrelmail 14:26 < adamgent> pine is the best one!! 14:26 < mikegrb> evo it is then 14:26 < mikegrb> heh not for my wife 14:26 < mikegrb> I use mutt 14:26 < tjfontaine> adamgent: I agree to an extent, debian doesn't offer the gui tools that help n00bs learn 14:26 < adamgent> i never use the gui tools so 14:26 < tjfontaine> right cause you don't have to 14:27 < adamgent> well i dont install x so 14:27 * mikegrb wanders over to the mdk page to start the home computer dl'ing the iso(s) 14:27 < adamgent> sometimes I wish I had though, but webmin tends to be good for the some things 14:27 < tjfontaine> mikegrb: you can't dl them yet 14:27 < tjfontaine> mikegrb: but I'll hook you up 14:27 < mikegrb> x on server is silly 14:27 < mikegrb> tjfontaine: I don't want 9.2, it might break my cd-rom drive ;) 14:27 < mikegrb> then I'd be in big trouble 14:27 < caker> that's insane 14:28 * tjfontaine with holds comment 14:28 < adamgent> some people like to use vnc though 14:30 < mikegrb> ftp://helios.dii.utk.edu/pub/linux/Mandrake/Mandrake/9.2/i586/ 14:31 < mikegrb> there's 9.2 tj 14:31 < tjfontaine> not isos though 14:31 < tjfontaine> besides I can give you a closer mirror to do a netinst 14:31 < tjfontaine> one in penn 14:31 < tjfontaine> in fact theres prolly a couple in SC you can use 14:33 < tjfontaine> ftp://mandrake.mirrors.pair.com/mandrake/9.2/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/ 14:33 < tjfontaine> thats penn 14:41 < mikegrb> hmmm 14:41 < mikegrb> net install :) 14:41 < mikegrb> I need a boot iso for that? 14:42 < tjfontaine> you don't you need a boot floppy 14:42 -!- adamgent2 [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has joined #linode 14:42 < mikegrb> ahh 14:42 < mikegrb> okay 14:42 < mikegrb> then I'll wait til I get home to play 14:42 < mikegrb> oh wait 14:42 < mikegrb> boot floppy vould be a prob 14:43 < mikegrb> oh I can burn it to cd then copy to floppy on her laptop 14:43 < mikegrb> heh 14:43 < tjfontaine> heh 14:43 * mikegrb doesn't have enough floppy drives to go round 14:43 < mikegrb> silly un-necessary expense 14:43 < tjfontaine> heh 14:43 < mikegrb> hmm 14:44 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net] 14:44 -!- guinea-pig [orion@parsed.net] has quit [jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net] 14:44 < mikegrb> net install may not be the best route with wifi but I'll give it a go 14:44 < tjfontaine> again 14:44 -!- adamgent2 is now known as adamgent 14:44 < tjfontaine> I can give you isos 14:44 -!- guinea-pig [orion@parsed.net] has joined #linode 14:44 -!- mode/#linode [+o guinea-pig ] by charon.oftc.net 14:45 < mikegrb> hmm 14:45 < mikegrb> okay 14:45 < mikegrb> bt only? 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15:52 < mikegrb> /msg nickserv register 15:52 < caker> make up a pw? 15:52 < adamgent> yes 15:52 < mikegrb> then people can't impersonate you 15:53 < adamgent> then each time you connect you will need to enter the password into nickserv 15:53 < caker> sweet 15:53 < caker> ok done 15:54 < caker> and somehow you can "own" certain channels? or if I'm registered and create a channel, it remembers? 15:54 < mikegrb> aye 15:54 < mikegrb> but that bit is chanserv 15:54 < adamgent> no, only if the channel is registered with the chanserv 15:54 < mikegrb> /msg chanserv help 15:54 < caker> hehe just did that :) 15:55 < guinea-pig> :) 15:59 < caker> guinea-pig: all set :) 15:59 < guinea-pig> i noticed 15:59 < guinea-pig> /msg chanserv access #linode list 16:00 -!- caker [~null@pcp508196pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net] has left #linode [] 16:00 -!- caker [~null@pcp508196pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net] has joined #linode 16:00 -!- mode/#linode [+o caker] by ChanServ 16:00 < caker> woohoo! 16:00 < guinea-pig> hehe 16:00 < guinea-pig> usuallly i kick people to test chanserv :P 16:00 < guinea-pig> (old habit) 16:01 < adamgent> but kicking people is not very nice 16:01 < mikegrb> indeed 16:01 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has quit [] 16:01 -!- shakr [~dominator@64.62.227.5] has joined #linode 16:02 < guinea-pig> i've been hanging around crackmonkey (and cohorts) too long 16:02 -!- shakr [~dominator@64.62.227.5] has quit [Client Quit] 16:03 < tjfontaine> I hang around a crack monkey all the time, except she doesn't like it when I call her that 16:03 < guinea-pig> obviously not the same person 16:03 < mikegrb> :D 16:05 < guinea-pig> caker: out of curiosity, why does upgrading ram, bandwidth, diskspace, etc individually run so much more $ than upgrading to the next level? 16:06 < caker> The RAM is the only thing that's way out of line 16:06 < mikegrb> 'cause it's a bussiness ;) 16:06 < caker> essentially the RAM is what limits the number of Linodes on one machine 16:06 < guinea-pig> yeah. RAM 16:06 < caker> 64MB of ram should be $20 bucks, since that's another Linode slot 16:06 < caker> but then again, you should just upgrade to the next plan 16:06 < mikegrb> makes sense 16:06 < guinea-pig> exactly my thinking 16:06 -!- Artifexx [~Artifex@216.144.24.226] has quit [uranium.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net] 16:06 -!- EFscreen [~jason@69.56.173.172] has quit [uranium.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net] 16:06 -!- rko [~risto@64.5.53.140] has quit [uranium.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net] 16:07 < caker> eh? 16:07 < guinea-pig> if i'm gonna pay an extra $20, why not just go all the way 16:07 < caker> Exactly 16:07 -!- rko [~risto@64.5.53.140] has joined #linode 16:07 -!- EFscreen [~jason@69.56.173.172] has joined #linode 16:07 -!- Artifexx [~Artifex@216.144.24.226] has joined #linode 16:07 < guinea-pig> have you had anyone just pay $20 for RAM? 16:07 < caker> Actually, yes 16:07 < guinea-pig> heh 16:07 < caker> I don't get it either 16:07 < caker> I think my RAM prices are wrong, too 16:08 < adamgent> you have to make money somewhere!! 16:08 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has quit [] 16:08 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has joined #linode 16:08 < caker> Heh, my ram prices are double -- 64MB of ram would cost you 40 bucks 16:08 * caker goes to fix that 16:10 < guinea-pig> heard about ipv6 yet? i'm giddy 16:10 < caker> Nope, chick said she'd email me back after lunch (in CA) 16:10 < guinea-pig> ever had lunch in CA? 16:10 < caker> She didn't know/hadn't heard about it 16:10 < guinea-pig> that could be well over a couple hours long 16:10 < caker> which is a little scary, but she's been great so far 16:10 < caker> hehe 16:11 < guinea-pig> a comedian said "i flaked" is an acceptable excuse in SF... i didn't believe him until i got there 16:11 < guinea-pig> i flaked for a whole week 16:11 < Artifexx> 'flaked'? 16:11 < guinea-pig> forgot about, most likely 16:12 * caker notices the prices are correct in the db, just not on the linodes page 16:12 -!- shakr [~dominator@goober.ub3r.org] has joined #linode 16:12 < guinea-pig> "dude, you were supposed to drive me to the hospital for $URGENT_SURGERY" 16:12 < guinea-pig> "oh, i flaked" 16:12 < guinea-pig> "oh, that's ok then" 16:12 < caker> heh 16:12 < caker> rko: hello 16:15 < adamgent> brb 16:15 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has left #linode [] 16:16 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has joined #linode 16:16 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 16:16 < adamgent> good damm wireless networks 16:16 -!- shakr [~dominator@goober.ub3r.org] has quit [Client Quit] 16:40 < EFscreen> mm 16:40 < caker> eh? 16:40 < EFscreen> caker, smack rdns.cfm and make that server use 12.96.160.115 for checks :P 16:40 < caker> hmm 16:41 < caker> what's the problem? when you perform a lookup it's still not resolving? 16:41 < EFscreen> unsure why the two 216 nameservers are still using old root glue 16:41 < EFscreen> eh, check forever.broked.net against each of 12.96.160.115 216.156.129.66 216.234.234.30 .. the latter two have glue that's > 24hrs old 16:42 < EFscreen> it'll solve itself in a few hours i'm sure. just curious as to why they are keeping glue that long. 16:42 < EFscreen> I purposely did NOT hit those two servers with the quuery yesterday to prevent them from getting old NS's 16:43 < caker> I just restarted named so give it a shot again please 16:44 < caker> (and updated root server list) 16:44 < EFscreen> word. 16:44 < caker> :) 16:44 < EFscreen> :) 17:04 < mikegrb> yeah! 17:04 < mikegrb> no more open ticket :) 17:04 < caker> heh 17:05 < caker> feel better? 17:05 < mikegrb> heh indeed 17:05 < mikegrb> now I just got to decide if I want to use zope or bes-cms for my personal site 17:05 * tjfontaine will follow mikegrb's lead 17:05 < mikegrb> heh 17:06 < mikegrb> damn 17:06 < mikegrb> I wish I could follow yours 17:06 < tjfontaine> heh 17:06 < tjfontaine> wandering life aimlessly is not a way to lead 17:06 < mikegrb> it's good enough for me 17:07 < tjfontaine> apparently the psuedo-wife doesn't want to talk to me today 17:07 < guinea-pig> but following an aimless wanderer is a good way to follow :) 17:07 < mikegrb> lucky for you 17:07 < tjfontaine> heh 17:08 -!- Artifexx [~Artifex@216.144.24.226] has quit [jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net] 17:08 -!- EFscreen [~jason@69.56.173.172] has quit [jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net] 17:08 -!- rko [~risto@64.5.53.140] has quit [jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net] 17:08 < tjfontaine> definitely kinetic problem 17:08 < mikegrb> yess 17:08 < mikegrb> er yes 17:09 < mikegrb> heidi understands irc network topology now 17:09 < mikegrb> I drew her a picture :) 17:09 < tjfontaine> heh wish i did ;-) 17:09 -!- rko [~risto@64.5.53.140] has joined #linode 17:09 -!- EFscreen [~jason@69.56.173.172] has joined #linode 17:09 -!- Artifexx [~Artifex@216.144.24.226] has joined #linode 17:09 < mikegrb> heh 17:13 < mikegrb> zope looks interesting 17:13 < mikegrb> definatley scales 17:14 < adamgent> ive not looked at it for about 4 years 17:14 < mikegrb> I was suprised with the size of some of the sites on the list 17:15 < mikegrb> uses it's own server but apache with mod_rewrite and mod_proxy can redirect zope stuff 17:15 < adamgent> im a perl coder so zope is not much use 17:15 < mikegrb> ahh 17:16 < mikegrb> bes-cms is nice in that it has an api for intigrating your own stuff into it 17:17 < adamgent> i just tend to stick to apache for ease 17:17 < mikegrb> I kind of like the look 17:17 < mikegrb> right 17:17 < mikegrb> that kind of puts me off zope 17:17 < adamgent> what does? 17:17 < mikegrb> the own server bit 17:17 < adamgent> but linode you can use it 17:18 < mikegrb> I installed bes-cms at home though to properly decide, I should install zope at home too 17:18 < mikegrb> well I know 17:18 < mikegrb> but I like apache 17:18 < mikegrb> I know it :) 17:18 < adamgent> the problem is I dont think many virtual hosts etc 17:18 < Artifexx> hey 17:18 < mikegrb> howdy arti 17:18 < Artifexx> zeta will be shipping soon 17:18 < Artifexx> woot! 17:18 < adamgent> ji 17:18 < mikegrb> heh 17:19 < tjfontaine> zeta? 17:19 < adamgent> i just tend to be lazy I can set-up apache in 10-15 minutes and it works 17:19 < Artifexx> tjfontaine: http://www.yellowtab.com/ 17:19 < caker> anyone ever do J2EE developemnt? now that's a bitch to get setup 17:19 < Artifexx> it's a bastard child of BeOS 17:20 < adamgent> looked at it never got any futher 17:20 < Artifexx> cake 17:20 < Artifexx> 3 words 17:20 < tjfontaine> ah ya 17:20 < Artifexx> that will make you tremble 17:20 < Artifexx> visualage for java 17:20 < Artifexx> :-| 17:20 < Artifexx> a.k.a. the worst product ever publicly released. 17:20 < caker> is that IBM's container ? 17:20 < Artifexx> yeah 17:21 < caker> we used persistance 17:21 < caker> ugh 17:21 < Artifexx> blech 17:21 < Artifexx> well 17:21 < adamgent> i tend to aviod java where possible 17:21 < Artifexx> it's all pretty horrid 17:21 < caker> you don't need no stinking UML diagrams 17:21 < caker> just code 17:23 < mikegrb> hmmm gentoo has zope ebuilds 17:23 < mikegrb> bonus points for zope 17:24 < adamgent> so does debian!! 17:25 < tjfontaine> so does mandrake!!! 17:25 < adamgent> and we could go through every distro 17:25 < mikegrb> heh 17:25 * Artifexx dislikes zope 17:25 < Artifexx> and on that note 17:25 < Artifexx> im heading home 17:25 < Artifexx> ciao 17:25 -!- Artifexx [~Artifex@216.144.24.226] has left #linode [] 17:27 < adamgent> so what is people favorite programming language then 17:27 < guinea-pig> i'm just looking for a CMS that already has support for gallery. other than post/phpnuke 17:27 < tjfontaine> guinea-pig: me too! 17:27 < guinea-pig> i prefer bash :) 17:28 < tjfontaine> adamgent: do scripting languages count? 17:28 < guinea-pig> actually, i found one. geeklog 17:28 < caker> 10 GOTO 10 17:28 < caker> RUN 17:28 < adamgent> well if bash is allowed then I guess so 17:28 < adamgent> good old basic 17:28 < tjfontaine> I'm all for perl then 17:28 < adamgent> and the renumber command was a god send 17:29 < caker> I used to joke about some kid I disliked programming his personality into the computer 17:29 < caker> ... 17:29 < caker> 10 goto 10 17:29 < caker> was his personality 17:29 < mikegrb> heh 17:30 < caker> I really enjoyed coding in Java -- so strict, kinda cool 17:30 * caker runs 17:30 < mikegrb> okay tj, zope is on it's way 17:30 < adamgent> i use java when I have to, hoping not to use it for a while though 17:30 < caker> but then again, I had a huge class file just to parse command line options .. it gets big fast 17:30 * adamgent thinks of the java lab he has to run on thursday 17:31 < adamgent> much prefer perl 17:31 < caker> I started out in ACOS, an ancient BBS programming language on Apple IIe 17:32 < adamgent> i guess i started with basic then pascal 17:32 < guinea-pig> yeah, BASIC on a IIc.. good times 17:33 < guinea-pig> i used to constantly tell it to iterate through all the pixels on the screen, colouring each one a random colour 17:33 < adamgent> i had the fun oc bbc basic 17:33 < adamgent> s/oc/of/ 17:33 < caker> bbc basic? 17:33 < guinea-pig> and i was fascinated by the patterns. IIc's random weren't too random, apparantly 17:34 < caker> guinea-pig: only so many colors in 8 bit gfx 17:34 < adamgent> the acron bbc's 17:34 < mikegrb> heh 17:34 < guinea-pig> caker: oh hush :P 17:34 < caker> Now, if you were talking IIgs .. with a palatte for EACH LINE of 4096 colors 17:34 < caker> woohoo! 17:35 * tjfontaine misses vic 20 and c64 basic 17:39 -!- sunny [~sunny@69.22.246.177] has joined #linode 17:40 < caker> hello sunny 17:40 < sunny> hey, whats up ? 17:40 < adamgent> hi 17:40 * caker wants some people to test 2.4.23-pre8 kernel 17:40 < sunny> does it fix0r the /dev/kmem issue ? 17:41 < caker> Jeff still hasn't got around to it, so I doubt it 17:41 < caker> you could go bug him in #uml :-p 17:41 < sunny> I see 17:41 < sunny> I have no idea what I'm running right now 17:42 < sunny> 2.4.22-linode10-5um 17:42 < sunny> seems stable enough 17:42 < mikegrb> This trojan is now identified :IRC.Trojan.Fgt [Symantec] IRC-Worm.Fagot [Kaspersky], Fagot [F-Secure] 17:42 < mikegrb> Type: Trojan Horse 17:42 < mikegrb> heh 17:42 < mikegrb> gotta love a trojan with that name 17:43 < caker> sunny: i'm also wrapping up a new debian fs update 17:43 < sunny> cool 17:45 < sunny> mikegrb: you run a virus scanner without running clamav ? shame on you! :P 17:45 < mikegrb> no 17:46 < mikegrb> thats from bugtraq 17:46 < sunny> ahh, I see, my mistake 17:46 < mikegrb> heh np 17:48 < caker> think lunch is over in cali? 17:50 < mikegrb> yes! 17:50 < mikegrb> 1:43 17:50 < mikegrb> I think 17:51 < caker> 2:42 there, i think 17:51 < mikegrb> well 17:51 < mikegrb> you're probably right 17:53 < sunny> it would be cool 17:53 < caker> mikegrb: ever get your xbox going again? 17:53 < sunny> if upon the generation of your linode ... you could select your timezone, heh 17:53 < mikegrb> caker: not yet 17:53 < mikegrb> I forgot to send tj money for shipping 17:53 < caker> i think the debian one defaults to UTC .. I set the new one up for eastern time 17:53 < tjfontaine> heh /me forgot to go to USPS 17:54 < mikegrb> heh 17:54 < sunny> wouldn't UTC make more sense ? 17:54 < adamgent> utc, gmt it is all the same 17:54 < caker> wouldn't people just change it afterwords? 17:54 < mikegrb> I've been sort of putting it off due to needing to setup paypal with new email address and what not 17:54 < mikegrb> then it gets late and I go to bed 17:54 < tjfontaine> I'll send it tomorrow regardless 17:54 < sunny> caker: yeah, but UTC would be more of a universal starter, no ? 17:54 < tjfontaine> what time do gov't places open, 9? 17:55 < caker> sunny: only reason i decided to change it was cause everything else is set to eastern ... 17:55 < mikegrb> 8 or 9 17:55 < mikegrb> we open at 8 17:55 < tjfontaine> USPS is prolly 9 17:55 < mikegrb> heh 17:55 < tjfontaine> I'll do it on my way to work after classes 17:55 < mikegrb> :D 17:56 < sunny> caker: beats me, I set it to EDT cuz I live in it 17:56 < caker> sunny: okay :) 17:57 < mikegrb> heh 17:57 * mikegrb too 17:57 < tjfontaine> oh oh /me too 17:57 < tjfontaine> and if arti were here he'd say /me too 17:57 < sunny> NYC ... you guys ? 17:57 < mikegrb> charleston, sc 17:57 < mikegrb> tj I didn't realise EST went that far west 17:57 < tjfontaine> Alliance, Ohio 17:58 < mikegrb> I know somewhere in TN it changes 17:58 < tjfontaine> mikegrb: I'm only less than an hour from penn 17:58 < mikegrb> I thought it was east of nashville though 17:58 < tjfontaine> it changes in indiana 17:58 < tjfontaine> well I could hit pitt in about an hour probably 18:02 < tjfontaine> too much temptation to shirk responsibility and check irc... I've gotta go /away 18:03 < caker> http://www.time.gov/ 18:04 < tjfontaine> tick.usno.navy.mil and tock.usno.navy.mil for est folk 18:14 * Artifex too 18:14 < EFscreen> lala. 18:15 -!- guinea-pig is now known as guinea-sleep 18:19 * Artifex is away: food, bbiaf 18:46 -!- Phonepiks [Phonepiks@wristpiks.plus.com] has joined #linode 18:48 < Phonepiks> Hi all, anyone help me with a webalizer/dns question? 18:48 < adamgent> possibly 18:49 < Phonepiks> I'm getting IP addresses in webalizer stats rather than hostnames.. I take it this is to do with my dns setup? 18:49 < Phonepiks> Like it's not doing a reverse lookup 18:50 < caker> Phonepiks: you can let apache do it and incur a little delay before the initial http connection, or webalizer has a feature to do all the nslookups at log parse time 18:50 < adamgent> if the dns server is doing forward lookups, then doing backward lookups should be fine 18:50 < Phonepiks> Right.. 18:51 < Phonepiks> caker - sounds like what I need. 18:51 < caker> you can add "HostNameLookups on" in your httpd.conf file 18:51 < adamgent> depending on the server load, it is usual better to do it in webalizer rather than in apache 18:52 < Phonepiks> Yeah that's my preference 18:52 < caker> or 18:52 < caker> ftp://ftp.mrunix.net/pub/webalizer/DNS.README 18:52 < Phonepiks> Cool :o) 18:52 < caker> it generates a cache file 18:52 < caker> so it's faster after each run (for frequent visitors) 18:53 < Phonepiks> I've saved webalizer settings from within Webmin & seem to have a cron problem too 18:53 < Phonepiks> Crontab's been running for about 45 mins 18:54 < caker> what does "vmstat 1 5" output? 18:54 < Phonepiks> procs memory swap io system cpu 18:54 < Phonepiks> r b w swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id 18:54 < Phonepiks> 1 0 0 44980 1324 1468 6912 80 83 98 93 189 83 1 1 98 18:54 < Phonepiks> 2 0 0 45216 1492 1408 6764 160 8 161 56 171 206 30 70 0 18:55 < Phonepiks> 1 0 0 45216 1584 1408 6768 0 0 0 0 128 253 34 66 0 18:55 < Phonepiks> 1 0 0 45216 1364 1408 6768 0 0 0 0 66 37 30 70 0 18:55 < Phonepiks> 1 0 0 45216 1536 1408 6772 0 0 0 0 71 64 36 64 0 18:55 < caker> doesn't look like the I/O problem 18:55 < Phonepiks> From top ; 18:55 < Phonepiks> 3048 root 12 0 644 560 560 R 23.0 0.9 8:38 crontab 18:56 < Phonepiks> the webmin page has just been "34% loading" for a while 18:56 < caker> Were you trying to restart cron when that happened? 18:57 < caker> oh, nm 18:57 < Phonepiks> No, just saved webaliser timings from webmin 18:57 < caker> try /etc/init.d/crond restart 18:57 < EFscreen> caker, how long does it take your DNS servers to update once the rdns.cfm is used on the website ? that a nightly process ? 18:58 < caker> EFscreen: it should be every few hours 18:58 < EFscreen> -nods- kk. 18:58 < caker> EFscreen: the zones are rebuilt on my end every 6 18:58 < EFscreen> gotcha. 18:58 < Phonepiks> Err -> bash: /etc/init.d/crond: No such file or directory 18:58 < caker> Phonepiks: or similar for your distro 19:00 * EFscreen waits impatiently for tonights 24 to show up on bt 19:00 < caker> bt? 19:00 < adamgent> bittorrent 19:00 < caker> that's what I thought you meant :) 19:00 < Phonepiks> caker, no difference.. 19:01 < Phonepiks> Shall I stop/start? 19:01 < adamgent> is that series 3 then of 24 19:01 < caker> Phonepiks: what distro are you using? 19:01 < Phonepiks> Deb small 19:01 < caker> Phonepiks: restart the cron service if you can 19:01 < guinea-sleep> /etc/init.d/cron restart 19:01 < caker> Phonepiks: if not, start killing :) 19:02 < Phonepiks> Yeah, restart's doing nothing.. 19:03 -!- EFscreen [~jason@69.56.173.172] has quit [jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net] 19:03 -!- rko [~risto@64.5.53.140] has quit [jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net] 19:04 -!- rko [~risto@64.5.53.140] has joined #linode 19:04 -!- EFscreen [~jason@69.56.173.172] has joined #linode 19:05 < Phonepiks> Hmm, ps shows this after /etc/init.d/cron stop... 19:05 < Phonepiks> root 3047 3042 0 Oct29 ? 00:00:00 sh -c crontab -u root -e >/dev/null 2>/dev/null 19:05 < Phonepiks> root 3048 3047 0 Oct29 ? 00:10:50 crontab -u root -e 19:05 < caker> killall -9 crontab 19:05 < caker> restart cron 19:06 < caker> maybe check the cron log to see what it's doing .. 19:06 < caker> might have to restart webmin, too 19:06 < Phonepiks> That'll do it. 19:06 < EFscreen> that's because you have a crontab edit floating around somewhere. which isn't 'crond'... 19:06 < EFscreen> /etc/init.d/cron would restart the daemon, not running processes and/or edit sessions 19:07 < Phonepiks> Weird, webmin saved off fine then 19:07 -!- rko [~risto@64.5.53.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08 -!- rko [~risto@64.5.53.140] has joined #linode 19:08 < Phonepiks> Thanks guys :o) 19:10 < Phonepiks> caker - what's the deal with bandwidth.. does the site get chopped after doing xGB or do we get invoiced if it goes over? 19:10 < caker> Phonepiks: no limitations after the quota is reached .. 19:10 < caker> Phonepiks: I would bill after the month has ended for overages 19:11 < Phonepiks> And that's $3/gb? 19:11 < caker> for now, yes 19:11 < Phonepiks> OK, I've managed to do just under 1GB in 6 hours! Better keep an eye on it 19:13 < adamgent> is that gig general usage or are you downloading stuff? 19:13 < adamgent> caker any thoughts on those local mirrors? 19:13 < Phonepiks> No, that's site traffic adam! 19:14 < caker> adamgent: i still have to investigate 19:14 < caker> adamgent: but it's often suggested 19:17 < adamgent> depends how much bandwidth is been pulled for the distros etc 19:17 < caker> debian's entire mirror size is about 80gb 19:18 < caker> let me see how much of that we'd want/need 19:18 < guinea-sleep> all of it duh 19:18 < guinea-sleep> :) 19:18 < caker> I don't THINK so 19:18 < caker> damn .. they don't have it broken down farther 19:19 * guinea-sleep hangs his head 19:19 < adamgent> stable branch and possible the testing branch 19:19 < caker> quote: 19:19 < caker> a released architecture (from stable, testing and unstable) 19:19 < caker> ranges from 4 GB to 8 GB (roughly) 19:19 < guinea-sleep> oh right. i386 and any only 19:19 < caker> i'm confused .. they mean for each? 19:19 < adamgent> i assume they mean per arch 19:20 < Phonepiks> We keep local archives @ work.. I can check for you if you like 19:21 < guinea-sleep> if it's 80G for the whole thing, and there are ... over 10 archs, iirc... 19:21 < caker> Phonepiks: sure, I guess the Woody branch, and the unstable (?) branch 19:21 < guinea-sleep> you do the math :D 19:21 < caker> ok, so let's say 12 total for debian (both stable + unstable) 19:21 < Phonepiks> caker : I'll check with the admins tomorrow 19:22 < adamgent> so thats one distro, how many others are there 19:22 < guinea-sleep> testing and unstable get updated often, though. would you update the mirror regularly? 19:23 < adamgent> there woudl probably be about a 10% daily change over testing and unstable 19:23 < guinea-sleep> mirroring them would save a lot of bandwidth for people who update from them regularly 19:24 < guinea-sleep> s/save/redirect 19:24 < guinea-sleep> adamgent: 10%? i didn't think it was that much 19:24 < adamgent> depends what you have installed from apt, there are only usually security updates which is not really that mich 19:24 < adamgent> i am only guessing at the figures, it depends how busy the developers are 19:25 < guinea-sleep> well, maybe 10% for unstable... a lot of packages get uploaded to unstable multiple times before they migrate to testing 19:25 < adamgent> there would probably be more activity at the weekends than during the week 19:26 < guinea-sleep> and you don't really have to *mirror* testing so much anyway... when stuff migrates, the files stay in the same place 19:26 < guinea-sleep> pools++ 19:27 < adamgent> it may just be easiest to mirror stable as it is probably the most common used 19:27 < guinea-sleep> probably 19:28 < guinea-sleep> and just point people to the official security updates, i'd think 19:28 < adamgent> well you could mirror those there is no harm in doing so 19:28 < caker> afk for a sec 19:28 < guinea-sleep> you could 19:29 < adamgent> the only problems I have with debian is that there are no security checks to ensure that the updates are offical 19:29 < adamgent> no md5 checks or anything 19:29 < guinea-sleep> well 19:29 < guinea-sleep> developers do sign their builds 19:29 < adamgent> yeah, but once the file is transfered I dont think they check an md5 or anything 19:30 < guinea-sleep> it's just that the current stable version of apt is *that* old 19:30 < guinea-sleep> newer apt has support for it, iirc 19:30 < adamgent> it would make things a lot safer if it does 19:30 < guinea-sleep> but i think they might have to wait until the newer apt is in stable 19:30 < guinea-sleep> to fix the mirrors 19:30 < guinea-sleep> just a wild guess 19:31 < adamgent> im just waiting for the next major release to come out 19:31 < guinea-sleep> actually it does check md5sums 19:31 < guinea-sleep> duh 19:31 < guinea-sleep> i've seen that 19:31 < guinea-sleep> i halted apt halfway through a download 19:31 < guinea-sleep> when i resumed, it took a different mirror. different version of the file 19:31 < guinea-sleep> or something 19:31 < guinea-sleep> and died on the md5sum 19:32 < guinea-sleep> but the actually signing of files... that's a new thing 19:33 < adamgent> the only way to ensure you get the real update is to check the signiture or check the md5 to an md5 off the actual debian site 19:37 < caker> back 19:37 < guinea-sleep> quite a bit of recent discussion this past september, actually 19:37 < guinea-sleep> but i'm asleep. bye :P 19:38 < adamgent> ill c ya all tomorrow, must get some sleep 19:39 < caker> cya 19:40 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has left #linode [] 19:40 -!- EFscreen [~jason@69.56.173.172] has quit [jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net] 19:42 -!- EFscreen [~jason@69.56.173.172] has joined #linode 19:44 -!- EFscreen [~jason@69.56.173.172] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 19:44 -!- EFscreen [~jason@li2-172.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 20:25 -!- EFscreen is now known as Efudd 20:32 < sunny> ugh 20:32 < sunny> this is what really irks me 20:32 < sunny> I'll be typing in vim 20:32 < sunny> and it freezes 20:32 < sunny> and I *know* I have an uptime of 0.00 20:33 < caker> heavy i/o going on on that host atm 20:37 < caker> vim is a bitch though, with lag 20:37 < sunny> I know ... I think I just need to vent :) 20:37 < sunny> its cool 20:37 < caker> un-lags, and suddenly half your file is gone 20:37 < caker> plus a couple beeps as a bonus 20:38 < caker> does it last very long? 20:38 < sunny> sometimes yes ... my mail client will even complain about losing its connection 20:39 < sunny> oh yeah, another thing 20:39 < caker> Does that happen during cron time, or doesn't matter? 20:39 < sunny> caker: does HE.net block pings randomly ? 20:39 < sunny> randomly 20:39 < caker> I have no idea 20:39 < caker> but I doubt it 20:39 < Efudd> ... could be rate filterd 20:40 < sunny> beats me ... sometimes I'll wanna ping my box just to make sure its up .. and I don't get any pings .. but I can use http on it just fine, heh 20:44 < sunny> caker: don't get me wrong about my complaining ... linode rocks :D 20:44 < caker> Nothing wrong about complaining :) 20:44 < caker> no worries .. 20:45 < caker> hopefully once people start moving to the 2.4.23 series kernels, the performance will improve inside UML.. 20:46 < caker> but the real bonus will be once the hosts get updated 20:46 < sunny> I'm just weary of odd numbered kernels, heh 20:46 < sunny> eh, here goes 20:54 < Phonepiks> Right, thanks for everything guys.. I'm hitting the hay 20:55 -!- Phonepiks [Phonepiks@wristpiks.plus.com] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 22:29 * Artifex is away: bbiaf 23:20 * Artifex is back (gone 00:51:15) 23:22 < mikegrb> welcome back Mr. Artifex 23:23 < Artifex> thanks 23:23 < mikegrb> no problem se?or 23:24 < mikegrb> de nada even --- Log closed Wed Oct 29 00:00:02 2003 --- Log opened Wed Oct 29 00:00:04 2003 00:43 * caker deploys the next debian distro fs 00:44 < mikegrb> I'm sure that makes people happy 00:45 < caker> 1 down, 5 to go 00:46 < mikegrb> heh 01:02 * Efudd yawns 01:03 -!- mikegrb [me@xbox-linux.sf.net] has left #linode [Leaving] 01:03 -!- mikegrb [me@xbox-linux.sf.net] has joined #linode 01:03 -!- mode/#linode [+o mikegrb] by ChanServ 01:03 < mikegrb> oop 01:03 < mikegrb> oops 01:03 < mikegrb> wrong button 01:03 < mikegrb> oh, my 01:04 < mikegrb> :D 01:47 -!- jax [~stbe@24-161-88-208.hvc.rr.com] has joined #linode 01:55 * Artifex is away: sleep 02:07 -!- guinea-sleep is now known as guinea-pig 03:53 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has joined #linode 03:53 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 04:44 -!- guinea-pig [orion@parsed.net] has quit [Quit: bye...] 06:03 < sunny> caker: removed the pcmcia-cs package :) 06:03 < sunny> ? 06:04 < caker> sunny: and a whole lot more 06:04 < caker> I've had a late night, gotta sleep 06:04 < sunny> cool 06:04 < sunny> nite man 06:04 < caker> later 06:06 -!- Phonepiks [Phonepiks@wristpiks.plus.com] has joined #linode 06:09 -!- sunny [~sunny@69.22.246.177] has quit [Quit: pop] 06:34 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has joined #linode 06:38 < shakr> so are the host4 'problems' happening on host7 now too or something different? 07:11 < Phonepiks> anyone able to advise on some mail setup problems? 07:53 -!- d [~fcastle@81.129.49.135] has joined #linode 07:53 -!- d [~fcastle@81.129.49.135] has left #linode [] 08:03 < mikegrb> caker: you around still? 08:04 < mikegrb> Phonepiks: what mail server? 08:04 < mikegrb> oh 08:04 < mikegrb> he did finally go to sleep :D 08:04 < Phonepiks> postfix mike 08:04 < mikegrb> oh 08:04 < mikegrb> no idea 08:04 < Phonepiks> :o) 08:04 < mikegrb> :/ 08:05 < Phonepiks> I'm getting mail delivery locally, telnetting in is ok but sending normally dosen't do a thing 08:05 < mikegrb> hmm 08:05 < mikegrb> so no outgoing? 08:05 < Phonepiks> OUtgoing is ok 08:06 < mikegrb> oh 08:06 < Phonepiks> I do get the odd bounce message... 08:06 < Phonepiks> I guess I need a catchall address or something? 08:06 < mikegrb> what do you mean by sending normally doesn't do a thing? 08:06 < mikegrb> perhaps 08:06 < Phonepiks> Normally as in from my mail client 08:06 < Phonepiks> Sending to blah@phonepiks.com 08:06 < mikegrb> oh 08:06 < mikegrb> yes 08:07 < mikegrb> if you want to send to X@phonepiks.com where X is not = to a user or an alias you need a catchall 08:08 < Phonepiks> OK, any idea of the format? 08:08 < Phonepiks> Google isn't too helpful 08:08 < mikegrb> well hmm 08:08 < mikegrb> one sec 08:08 < Phonepiks> Thanks 08:14 < mikegrb> looks like you just specify one alias 08:14 < mikegrb> '@phonepiks.com' 08:15 < mikegrb> and point it to what ever address or loca user you want to get the mail 08:15 < Phonepiks> Oh right.. so @phonepiks.com \mailfile in /etc/aliases? 08:16 < Phonepiks> Missed a : 08:16 < adamgent> chris went about 10 gmt, so about 5am est 08:16 < mikegrb> right 08:16 < mikegrb> I saw that 08:16 < mikegrb> I was going to yell at him and tell him to go to sleep 08:17 < adamgent> i was well a sleep by then 08:17 < mikegrb> heh 08:17 < mikegrb> as was I 08:18 < mikegrb> I went to sleep around 2am EST 08:18 < adamgent> so abt 7am gmt then 08:19 < mikegrb> sure 08:19 < mikegrb> heh 08:19 < mikegrb> was playing with zope last night 08:20 < adamgent> any good 08:21 < mikegrb> I dunno 08:21 < mikegrb> heh 08:22 < mikegrb> I've been playing with plone which is a zope module 08:22 < mikegrb> I kind of like it 08:52 * Artifex is back (gone 06:57:49) 09:19 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has quit [] 09:19 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has joined #linode 09:20 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has left #linode [] 09:20 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has joined #linode 09:20 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 09:21 < tjfontaine> heh /msg chanserv op #linode would hve got you the same result ;-) 09:21 < adamgent> yeah but the irc client was been annoying 09:29 < adamgent> brb 09:29 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has quit [] 09:30 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has joined #linode 09:30 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 09:31 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has quit [Client Quit] 09:31 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has joined #linode 09:31 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 09:32 < adamgent> opsp 09:32 < adamgent> opps even 09:32 < tjfontaine> heh 09:36 * Artifex is away: work 09:42 < adamgent> afk 10:07 -!- jax-work [~stbe@148.100.209.137] has joined #linode 10:53 -!- Artifexx [~Artifex@216.144.24.226] has joined #linode 10:59 -!- tytyty-wk [~DONOT@216.183.76.70] has joined #linode 11:00 < mikegrb> tytyty-wk: have you signed up yet? 11:00 -!- nick [nick@a1-4d167.neo.rr.com] has joined #linode 11:01 < tytyty-wk> reading up 11:01 < tytyty-wk> interesting 11:02 -!- sunny [~sunny@167.206.203.14] has joined #linode 11:05 < mikegrb> tytyty-wk: x-l special today... get a linode 64 for $20/mnth 11:12 < tytyty-wk> same price as listed on page 11:12 < mikegrb> shhh 11:12 < tytyty-wk> :) 11:13 < mikegrb> you're not supposed to notice that 11:13 < adamgent> and it still cheap 11:13 < mikegrb> yes indeed 11:13 -!- sunny [~sunny@167.206.203.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 488 seconds] 11:14 < mikegrb> time for a cigarette 11:14 < adamgent> such a bad habit 11:19 -!- sunny [~sunny@167.206.203.14] has joined #linode 11:19 < nick> i got a new plastikman cd yesterday. its pretty pimp. ill put in natevista->shared 11:19 < sunny> what a crap server that was 11:19 < Artifexx> nick: cool 11:19 < Artifexx> nick: get a linode already. 11:19 < Artifexx> :-) 11:19 < nick> cant 11:20 < nick> need paid first 11:20 < Artifexx> or, we could just split the cost of pimping one out and share it. :-) 11:20 < Artifexx> next week then 11:20 < Artifexx> ! 11:20 < Artifexx> if we do that, tho, i'm demanding gentoo. :-| 11:22 < nick> i didnt invite him 11:22 < nick> [11:14:07] marquis de failure: what's the #xbox-linux server 11:22 < nick> [11:14:11] marquis de failure: i feel like a quick troll run 11:22 < nick> [11:14:18] martini: i forget 11:22 < nick> [11:14:19] marquis de failure: opensomethingorother 11:22 < nick> [11:14:24] martini: openrejects? 11:22 < nick> [11:14:27] marquis de failure: no 11:22 < nick> [11:14:28] martini: nah that cant be 12:20 -!- nick [nick@a1-4d167.neo.rr.com] has quit [Quit: i think i like the pain] 12:21 < mikegrb> wow 12:21 < mikegrb> only 6 linode 64's left 12:22 < mikegrb> how many were there this morning? I don't remember 12:22 < Phonepiks> Going like hot cakes 12:22 < mikegrb> indeed 12:24 < adamgent> chris will have to start getting some new servers 12:24 < Phonepiks> I'm most impressed with mine. 2.4GB of site traffic in 24 hours & the linode's just sitting there bored :o) 12:24 * jax-work is away: escaping hell 12:24 < Phonepiks> Didn't even break a sweat 12:24 < mikegrb> heh 12:25 < Phonepiks> 32 people onsite right now & cpu is 95% idle 12:27 < mikegrb> :) 12:28 < Phonepiks> Just need to suss out this effin mail server :o) 12:48 -!- Efudd- [~jasonl@208.254.218.57] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 13:28 -!- tytyty-wk [~DONOT@216.183.76.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:53 -!- axcist [conbonjovi@217.43.29.35] has joined #linode 13:53 -!- axcist [conbonjovi@217.43.29.35] has quit [Client Quit] 13:55 < caker> yo 13:55 < Phonepiks> He's back :o) 13:55 < caker> its alive 14:06 < caker> Phonepiks: are you using mod_gzip? might help reduce your b/w a little 14:09 < adamgent> enjoy your sleep? 14:10 < caker> adamgent: Oh yeah! it was me vs disk i/o last night. I was determined to solve/help 14:10 * caker praises his cup of coffee 14:10 < adamgent> but did you win the battle 14:11 < caker> yeah .. I learned a lot .. look at this 14:11 < caker> 13 116 116076 1360 1468 5176 2757 714 3292 724 1607 476 0 1 98 0 14:11 < caker> 112 11 118200 632 1236 3520 42621 7856 44022 7935 15372 7738 1 2 97 0 14:11 < caker> 117 16 117912 584 1256 3068 38929 7630 40072 7723 14382 14663 0 2 98 0 14:11 < caker> 91 33 119640 944 688 3744 31957 6024 33180 6077 11698 7670 0 2 97 0 14:11 < caker> vmstat output from one of the Linodes on host7 14:11 -!- Phonepiks is now known as PPbbiab 14:11 < caker> procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu---- 14:12 < adamgent> intresting 14:12 < caker> slammed 14:12 < adamgent> the io usage and the cpu usage is very high 14:12 < adamgent> those id counts are stupidly high 14:12 < caker> Yes -- it was just sitting there swapping in and out 14:12 < caker> not getting anything done 14:13 < mikegrb> caker: when I got on this morning I was going to yell at you and tell you to go to sleep :) 14:13 < caker> I don't think I missed you by much :) 14:14 < mikegrb> no, you didn't 14:14 * Efudd ponders about gdb 14:16 < adamgent> which ones of those figures are the si and so figure 14:16 < caker> 3rd is swap used, 4th and 5th are swap in/out (i think) 14:17 < caker> he had a 128 mb swap partition 14:17 < caker> er, it might be like so: 14:17 < caker> b w swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id 14:18 < adamgent> i have those headers localy but it is hard comparing them to the screen figures 14:18 < caker> he's using debian unstable, so vmstat output is a little different 14:19 < caker> First thing I see when I get into the box is about 20 mysql processes, 60MB shared mem, so that's all his memory right there 14:19 < adamgent> so 41 meg under si and 7 under so 14:19 < caker> plus about 100 apache threads 14:19 < adamgent> do you have access to all the virtual systems then 14:19 < caker> No 14:19 < caker> I've been working with him on this for the past few days .. 14:19 < adamgent> oh 14:19 < adamgent> so this is just one person then 14:20 < caker> Yup 14:20 < adamgent> he needs to start sorting out the appache and mysql settings 14:20 < caker> I changed them for him :) 14:20 < adamgent> or moving mysql on to another linode 14:20 < caker> seems to be running ok, so far .. we'll see after 24 hrs or so 14:21 < caker> I changed MaxClients from 150 to 40, and key-buffer size in mysql from 16 to 4M 14:21 < adamgent> so did you drop the shared mem usage down then? 14:21 < caker> Yes.. I also noticed each apache request/thread opened a new mysql connection instead of reusing 14:21 < adamgent> as long as he is closing the mysql session correctly etc there is no need for that many 14:21 < caker> I agree -- something is funky with that 14:22 < adamgent> i thought it was standard to reuse 14:22 < caker> so did I... not even any weird java involved in this setup. . just about 20 sites 14:22 < adamgent> i tend to use apache dbi for perl to help manage the db connections 14:23 < caker> I can view uml's /proc/stats file from the host, but I still have to decode it (they're all bitshifted, I think) 14:24 < caker> but other than that, each Linode is a black box 14:24 < caker> er, /proc/stat 14:27 < adamgent> well at least host7 should be a bit more stable now then 14:28 < caker> Yes, and at least I've identified the problem. If it keeps up, I'll ask him to upgrade 14:28 < caker> and I know what to look for if it happens elsewhere... 14:28 * caker really wants a good i/o schedular 14:28 < adamgent> it may be worth listing sample apache\mysql condif files 14:29 < caker> Yes, definately 14:29 < adamgent> s/condif/config 14:29 < adamgent> we run one site that has 2 gig of memory and even that seems never to be enough 14:29 < caker> Someone mentioned "is this the same problem as from host4" .. 14:29 < caker> makes me wonder 14:30 < caker> Something caused host4 to deadlock 14:30 < caker> never got an oops message, or anything 14:30 < caker> which is frustrating 14:30 < caker> adamgent: geesh 14:30 < adamgent> it is very strange that a host should deadlock 14:30 < adamgent> well we do run the site off a ram disk 14:31 < caker> Reading through kernel changelogs, they definately included fixes for such deadlocks 14:31 < caker> but who knows if those were the exact cause 14:32 < adamgent> well there is nothing you can do if there where not any panic messages or anything 14:32 < adamgent> never had that happen though 14:32 < caker> Host4 is spare-parts and a dev machine for me at this point .. but I'd love to bring it back into action 14:32 < caker> I'm going to let it run like it is and see if it hard locks again, but I suspect I need to generate some load on it 14:32 < caker> so far it's been up 13 das 14:33 < adamgent> well if it is running fine without any load then it may be worth trying to put some load on it 14:33 < adamgent> or simulate some load 14:33 < caker> if I can get something reproducable, then I can start testing new kernel versions 14:35 * adamgent thinks he really should do some worj 14:35 < caker> hehe 14:35 < adamgent> and learn how to type 14:35 < caker> what do you do, Adam? 14:36 < adamgent> technically im a student 14:36 < adamgent> and a MD and a programmer 14:36 < mikegrb> always that word technically 14:36 < caker> MD? 14:36 < adamgent> managing director 14:37 < adamgent> in your terms ceo 14:37 < caker> You go to school and manage a company? 14:37 < adamgent> well uni 14:37 < adamgent> the company is still in its starting stages and at this rate will never leave it 14:38 < mikegrb> heh 14:39 < adamgent> i just wish I had the time to finish the perl programming I need to do 14:41 < caker> Do linux developers use any IDE's (besides vi)? 14:42 < caker> or is vi part of the fun of developing? :) 14:42 < adamgent> from the command line probably not 14:42 < tjfontaine> occasionally I've used anjuta 14:42 < caker> I just wanted something I could load the kernel source into, and surf around 14:42 < adamgent> if you do not like vi you could always use pico 14:43 < caker> heh 14:43 < adamgent> well the vi and lilo 14:43 < mikegrb> kdevelop is nice 14:43 < mikegrb> I've only used it a handful of times 14:44 < tjfontaine> no qt! ;-) 14:44 < mikegrb> it scans through and grabs all the functions classes typedefs and what not 14:44 < mikegrb> you can easly jumb from one place to another related place 14:44 < caker> yeah 14:44 < adamgent> i dont usual tend to do that much development on linux 14:44 < tjfontaine> I'm fairly certain anjuta can do similarly (GTK r00lz) 14:45 < mikegrb> grep the tree for something and the results are shown in a window with file name, line number, and line 14:45 < mikegrb> double click and boom you're there 14:45 < adamgent> you could always try vim 14:45 < adamgent> depends if you want to use x or not 14:45 * caker pokes the HE rep again 14:45 < Efudd> caker, 'scite' is a pretty good code editor.... cscope is good for perusing source trees 14:46 < mikegrb> I like emacs 14:46 < mikegrb> context hi-lighting 14:46 < caker> Efudd: ooo thanks 14:47 < Efudd> i never learned emacs.. i'm a vi dude. but scite has me intrigued 14:47 < adamgent> so no news on ipv6 yet then 14:47 < Efudd> caker, cscope has an option to it to build the index.. let it run.. it'll create a 30-40MB file in the root of the source tree.. then cscope -o -d i think.... 14:47 < caker> nope 14:47 < mikegrb> caker: tell the rep you will destroy here unborn baby if she doesn't give you an answer ;) 14:47 < caker> Haha 14:48 < caker> She sounds so cute, I can't be mean to her 14:48 < Efudd> scite is very good at syntax highlighting, brace matching, etc... and supports a ton of langugages 14:48 < adamgent> just threaten to take you business somewhere else it usual works 14:49 < mikegrb> heh 14:49 < mikegrb> but he has such great bandwidth 14:49 < adamgent> threaten and doing are two completly different things 14:49 < Efudd> he.net is one of the better providers out tehre 14:49 < Efudd> threats are useless. 14:50 < mikegrb> heh 14:52 < caker> Efudd: messing with scite now, ty 14:52 -!- Artifexx [~Artifex@216.144.24.226] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52 -!- guinea-pig [orion@64.5.53.199] has joined #linode 14:52 -!- mode/#linode [+o guinea-pig] by ChanServ 14:52 < guinea-pig> *sigh* 14:52 < adamgent> hi 14:53 < guinea-pig> how long ago was host7 rebooted? 14:53 < guinea-pig> nevermind 14:54 * guinea-pig uses the 'uptime' utility :P 14:54 < caker> Um, around 4:00 AM eastern this morning 14:54 < guinea-pig> oh 14:54 * guinea-pig just got home from work :< 14:54 * guinea-pig goes in for 4am 14:55 < guinea-pig> that explains why my logs show no activity in the channel since i left, heh 15:02 < caker> well, 2.4.23 seems to do a much better job of not starving everyone else while there is heavy disk i/o .. 15:02 < caker> I can actually get into the box under load 15:03 < caker> I encourage you guys to move /etc/cron.daily/[slocate|find] to /etc/cron.weekly 15:04 < mikegrb> ahh 15:05 < mikegrb> makes sense 15:05 < mikegrb> I will 15:05 < guinea-pig> heh 15:05 < mikegrb> a random day.... thursday at 3:42am 15:05 < guinea-pig> day 7 at 7:77 15:06 < mikegrb> heh 15:06 < mikegrb> might have problems with that 15:06 < guinea-pig> not at all 15:06 < mikegrb> though you could wrap around and make it 8:17 15:06 < guinea-pig> exactly 15:06 < guinea-pig> stop reading my ...terminal 15:07 < mikegrb> heh 15:07 < guinea-pig> hell 15:08 * guinea-pig moves all his crons to 8:XX am 15:08 * mikegrb goes one better and moves slocate to monthly 15:08 < guinea-pig> that's a bit too long, i think 15:09 < mikegrb> I generally run it manually when I need it and I can always search on the mirror at home 15:09 < guinea-pig> oh wait. i never use locate much, anyway 15:09 < mikegrb> though I think it complains if it's been longer then 7 days 15:09 < mikegrb> hmm 15:09 < adamgent> i just tend to update when i use locate 15:09 * guinea-pig follows suit 15:09 < adamgent> it does not take that long 15:09 < guinea-pig> i use dpkg -S :) 15:09 < guinea-pig> if it's not from dpkg, i tend to know where it is 15:10 < mikegrb> right 15:10 < mikegrb> that was what I was getting at by running it manually 15:20 < caker> yikes! a huge wasp 15:21 < caker> it's dead 15:21 < Efudd> it's more fun when everyone's default crontjobs run at the same time ! 15:22 < caker> heh 15:22 < adamgent> only if you want everything to grind to a halt 15:23 < Efudd> caker, what does vmstat output for in/cs look like on your various hosts? say host6. :) 15:23 < caker> let me see 15:24 < adamgent> it may be useful if you publically displayed the vmstat info so people can see if problems are occuring 15:24 < adamgent> the mrtg information would be nice as well 15:24 < caker> procs memory swap io system cpu 15:24 < caker> r b w swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id 15:24 < caker> 0 0 0 129924 10692 48764 2846196 0 0 0 0 176 7339 6 7 88 15:24 < caker> 0 0 0 129924 10692 48764 2846196 0 0 0 0 201 7568 5 9 86 15:24 < caker> 0 0 0 129924 10680 48764 2846208 0 0 0 0 141 6229 7 7 87 15:24 < caker> 0 0 0 129924 10680 48764 2846208 0 0 0 0 108 5676 1 2 97 15:24 < Efudd> ok.. your CS's are kinda high 15:24 < Efudd> but expected 15:24 < caker> welcome to UML 15:24 < Efudd> you shoudl *NEVER* have si/so 15:24 < Efudd> bio/bo occasionally would be ok 15:24 < Efudd> in's are low 15:24 < Efudd> looks good 15:24 < caker> yup 15:25 < caker> I thought about running the hosts w/ no swap, but decided against it 15:25 < Efudd> your hosts should /never/ swap. if they do, there is a problem. :) 15:25 < adamgent> swap usage is often good to have 15:25 < caker> Not necessarily 15:25 < Efudd> caker, host OS processes /could/ swap 15:25 < Efudd> but the uml processes shouldn't. obviously. 15:25 < caker> there are plenty of other processes that could swap, for example the screen process that wraps your console 15:25 < caker> Right 15:25 < Efudd> -nos- 15:26 < Efudd> s/s/d/ 15:26 < Efudd> ok. guesss i'll go back to hax0ring this code. 15:26 < Efudd> posix fopen doesn't like ".\\file" notation. :P 15:27 < caker> adamgent: i'd be hesitant to publish full vmstat info -- people might mis intrepret 15:27 < Efudd> agree. 15:27 < Efudd> majority of folk do not understand 95pct of vmstat output 15:28 < Efudd> even if they read the manpages.. 15:28 < caker> Here's a few lines from host7 15:28 < caker> procs memory swap io system cpu 15:28 < caker> r b w swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id 15:28 < caker> 0 0 0 203364 85640 21536 2782204 0 0 8 0 182 21979 4 2 94 15:28 < caker> 1 0 0 203364 85552 21536 2782284 0 0 80 0 242 21214 4 3 93 15:28 < caker> 1 0 0 203364 85364 21536 2782296 0 0 0 0 161 14512 2 2 96 15:28 < Efudd> those CS's are kinda high. host7 a linode 64 ? 15:28 < caker> more UML's == more cs 15:28 < adamgent> well that looks a lot better 15:28 < caker> yes 15:28 < Efudd> ok. still wouldn't say "out of bounds" 15:29 < Efudd> i got the linode 192 just to prevent high cs :) 15:29 < caker> Each UML idle generates about 300 cs/sec 15:29 < caker> just the way it is 15:29 < caker> each syscall bounces back twice, I think 15:29 < guinea-pig> well then, we shouldn't idle! 15:30 < caker> Also, the minimum mhz is really a misnomer -- on these dual proc systems you're getting well above twice what is advertised, because I hit the RAM limit before CPU 15:31 < guinea-pig> stupid ram limit 15:31 * guinea-pig introduces RAM to the long end of a pickle 15:31 < caker> Nothing like holding 12 GB of RAM when building boxes :) 15:31 < adamgent> how many linode 64s can you fit on one machine then 15:32 < guinea-pig> <-- i've had a *looong* day 15:32 < caker> its around 40, let me do the math 15:32 < Efudd> i've got 8GB for one of my desktops.. 15:32 < Efudd> but the fokkin' mobo design only allows me to fit 6 :/ 15:32 < Efudd> the last 2 hit the power connector 15:32 * Efudd smacks supermicro 15:32 < caker> (1 024 * 3) / 64 = 48 15:32 < caker> but I don't like to push it that far (leave room for other stuff) 15:33 < guinea-pig> i be jealous. i only have 128M in my desktop 15:33 < adamgent> only 3 gig in each machine then 15:33 < Efudd> ewf 15:33 < guinea-pig> low density rambus is a bitch to find 15:33 < Efudd> my lowest end machine has 512MB 15:33 < Efudd> average of 1GB per 15:33 < guinea-pig> it's a dual p3 xeon, without a case 15:33 < Efudd> heh :) 15:33 < guinea-pig> since p3 xeons were slot cpus 15:33 < guinea-pig> and they're ... too tall 15:34 < guinea-pig> all the cases i've tried... to fit the thing in, i'd have to have *no* 3.5" drive bays 15:34 < Efudd> i've got about 6 p3 933->1Ghz cpu's sitting here in my book case 15:34 < caker> low profile 1GB chips run between $250-350 15:35 < Efudd> my dual xeon 2.4Ghz system uses fokkin PC133 equiv ram. kinda a waste. :/ 15:35 < caker> Efudd: geesh 15:35 < caker> heh 15:35 < Efudd> caker, i work for a company that went bankrupt 15:35 < Efudd> i acquired a lot 15:35 < caker> ahh 15:35 < Efudd> :) 15:35 < caker> "acquired" 15:35 < guinea-pig> Efudd: are you a generous soul? :) 15:35 < Efudd> well, the courts approved writing everything off 15:35 < Efudd> so i said "sure, i'll be 'trash'" 15:35 < caker> Right, probably not worth the court time 15:36 < caker> (on paper) 15:36 < Efudd> wasn't worth the time/effort to ship back to the west coast for dovebid auction 15:36 * Efudd works for what was known as Auspex.... 15:36 < Efudd> hence wher ei got my 1.8TB of 73GB scsi disks... 15:37 < caker> How many scsi drives is that? 15:37 < Efudd> mmmm 15:37 < caker> raid 5 you said? 15:37 < Efudd> 28 15:37 < caker> holy crap 15:37 < Efudd> in 6 U 15:38 < caker> those drives are probably $500/piece 15:38 < Efudd> easily 15:38 < Efudd> They are in IBM/LSI logic chassis.. 3U/14 drives, dual power dual U360 single or split bus 15:39 * guinea-pig *really* jealous :< 15:39 < Efudd> i've got an "RCC" interface for them that sports 4x U360 SCSI channels and 4x 1GB FC.. host goes to FC, drives go to U360 15:39 < Efudd> the RCC is dual power, dual controller RAID0/1/5/10 15:39 < Efudd> 512MB cache on each controller 15:40 < Efudd> too bad it's powered off... has been for 4 months 15:51 < mikegrb> guinea-pig: lets find out where Efudd lives and pay him a "visit" 15:51 < mikegrb> oops 15:51 < mikegrb> that was supposed to be /msg ;) 15:52 < caker> uh huh 15:52 < mikegrb> heh 15:54 < Efudd> 4022 stirrup creek drive st 315 durham nc 15:54 < Efudd> :) 15:54 * Efudd pulls nunchucks down from wall 15:54 < mikegrb> heh 15:54 < Efudd> any gdb clue in here ? 15:55 < caker> not I .. ask anyway? 15:55 < Efudd> Er.. wanna know how to 'c' only through the current function without settings a new bp 15:55 < caker> erm 15:56 < caker> step? 15:56 < Efudd> s is line by line 15:56 < Efudd> kinda wanna "well, continue iterating through this function, but return me to step when you are done." 15:56 * caker stops pretending 15:56 < caker> right 15:56 < Efudd> i'm reading a file getchar at a time. afraid i'm gonna hit enter too many times 15:56 < caker> step through? 15:56 < caker> there is one to do that, i'm fairly surte 15:56 < Efudd> O. I guess I get "s 30" 15:57 < Efudd> or perhaps 'next' hmm 16:02 < Efudd> What sucks is when you've stepped through about 800 iterations, and do "s 30" too many times :/ 16:03 < mikegrb> I think it would suck just a little 16:05 -!- Artifexx [~Artifex@216.144.24.226] has joined #linode 16:05 < Artifexx> linode should have a referral program. :-D 16:06 < mikegrb> heh indeed 16:06 -!- PPbbiab is now known as Phonepiks 16:06 < mikegrb> I've got two at least 16:06 < guinea-pig> hellz yeah. i've already talked 2 people into getting one 16:06 < caker> What do you suggest the bonus be? 16:06 < guinea-pig> heh 16:06 < Artifexx> maybe an MLM system 16:06 < Artifexx> rofl 16:07 < mikegrb> heh 16:07 < guinea-pig> more ram? *grin* 16:07 * Artifexx writes mlm software for work 16:07 < mikegrb> nah 16:07 < mikegrb> ram is his biggest limiter 16:07 < Artifexx> perhaps a discount on the monthly 16:07 < Artifexx> with a limit, of course 16:07 < mikegrb> that would affect things too much, space might be nice 16:07 < mikegrb> or transfer 16:07 < adamgent> or just got for the good old, but ten get one free 16:07 < mikegrb> I dunno 16:07 < mikegrb> heh 16:08 < adamgent> s/but/buy 16:08 < Efudd> i did a referral this am :P 16:09 < guinea-pig> i scored my two on my way through chicago 16:10 < guinea-pig> (although one was delayed) 16:10 < mikegrb> heh 16:10 < guinea-pig> inkblot made a few forum posts i think 16:11 < guinea-pig> last i heard, he was trying to add UML support to LNX-BBC 16:11 < Phonepiks> Grr, /me beats spammers with a stick. 16:11 < guinea-pig> Phonepiks: bogofilter! spamassassin! 16:11 < Phonepiks> "I visited your site earlier & noticed you're not listed on any search engines" 16:11 < Phonepiks> Did well finding me then love! 16:12 < guinea-pig> you actually read them?! 16:12 < mikegrb> heh 16:12 < Artifexx> i do 16:12 < Phonepiks> I don't have any other mail 16:12 < Artifexx> some of them are hilarious 16:12 * mikegrb uses dspam 16:12 < Artifexx> divorce-prep 16:12 < mikegrb> indeed 16:12 < guinea-pig> Phonepiks: that's what mailing lists are for! :P 16:12 < Phonepiks> :o) 16:12 < Artifexx> http://www.divorceprep.com/ 16:12 < Phonepiks> Drive me nuts! 16:12 < guinea-pig> and procmail. procmail is the only way to fly 16:13 < mikegrb> nah 16:13 < mikegrb> maildrop :) 16:13 < guinea-pig> shazam 16:13 < Phonepiks> Erk! 16:14 * guinea-pig should write an app called shazam 16:14 < Phonepiks> Damn! Too much traffic to my site! 16:14 < Artifexx> divorce-pre makes "CheckMate" 16:14 < Efudd> do { ... } while (); loops confuse my head. 16:14 < Artifexx> a "5 Minute Infidelity test kit" 16:14 < guinea-pig> Phonepiks: oh? 16:14 < Artifexx> lets you easily check for semen on undergarments!! 16:14 < mikegrb> Artifex hah 16:14 < Phonepiks> 3084061kb since yeasterday! 16:14 < guinea-pig> i don't think i've ever passed 20% of my 25G/month 16:15 < Phonepiks> -a 16:15 < guinea-pig> er, kb? 16:15 < mikegrb> www.phonepiks.com? been meaning to take a look ;) 16:15 < Phonepiks> 16:15 < Phonepiks> Anyone here got a camera phone? 16:16 * Artifexx 16:16 * mikegrb wishes 16:16 < mikegrb> does that count? 16:16 < Artifexx> i have a hiptop 16:16 < Phonepiks> Hehe 16:16 * Phonepiks is a site for uploading camera phone pictures 16:16 < guinea-pig> oy 16:16 < guinea-pig> no wonder 16:16 < guinea-pig> :P 16:16 < Phonepiks> Mainly girl's asses for some reason though 16:16 < guinea-pig> heh 16:16 < mikegrb> heh 16:16 * mikegrb races over 16:16 * guinea-pig hosts 3 gallery's 16:17 < Phonepiks> Nobody's interested in scenery :o( 16:17 < guinea-pig> one's used 3G/month at most 16:17 < guinea-pig> the others are insignifigant 16:18 < Phonepiks> Mine was ticking over on 4gb/month 16:24 < caker> is it bad to remove unused locale files? 16:24 < adamgent> for what? 16:24 < adamgent> apache? 16:24 < caker> For a linux filesystem in general 16:25 < Phonepiks> Just language/codepage stuff isn't it? 16:25 < adamgent> i cant see why they cant be removed 16:25 < adamgent> but is it nessecary to remove them 16:25 < caker> There's MBs worth of foreign locale files .. for example, du -sh /usr/share/locale 16:26 < guinea-pig> localepurge is awesome 16:26 < guinea-pig> for debian, at least 16:26 < caker> eh? 16:26 < mikegrb> I believe there were some forum threads about saving space on forums.gentoo.org 16:26 < mikegrb> they talked abt getting rid of foreign locals 16:26 < guinea-pig> just upgraded a few debs. localepurge gets run by apt afterwards 16:26 < guinea-pig> localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/locale: 4832K 16:26 < guinea-pig> localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/man: 140K 16:26 < guinea-pig> Total disk space freed by localepurge: 4972K 16:27 < adamgent> i guess 273 meg is lot 16:27 < mikegrb> :) 16:27 < guinea-pig> 217K /usr/share/locale :) 16:27 < adamgent> that was on redhat 16:28 < guinea-pig> well, yeah ok :P 16:28 * guinea-pig installes localepurge on a deb system with 79M of locales 16:28 < mikegrb> I've got 27M 16:29 < guinea-pig> (and 27M of manpages) 16:29 < guinea-pig> selecting to only keep the relevant en locales 16:29 < mikegrb> gentoo has the package too :) 16:29 < guinea-pig> surely 16:29 < guinea-pig> localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/locale: 79664K 16:29 < guinea-pig> localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/man: 2112K 16:30 < guinea-pig> hehe 16:30 < mikegrb> heh almost all the space that was used in /usr/share/locale 16:30 < guinea-pig> i've never seen localised manpages, myself, actulaly 16:30 < guinea-pig> *shrug* 16:30 < mikegrb> I've never noticed 16:30 < caker> There's two directories on RedHat .. can'tf find the other one 16:30 < mikegrb> of course I speak english 16:31 < caker> hmm .. /usr/share/i18n/locales 16:31 < guinea-pig> oh hmm 16:31 < caker> wonder how easy it is to get these back 16:32 < guinea-pig> you could create a package containing removed locales from your images 16:32 < caker> right 16:32 < adamgent> it only seems to be 18m by default on debian 16:33 < mikegrb> localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/man: 424K 16:33 < guinea-pig> 217k is a lot less than 18m, though 16:33 < mikegrb> localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/locale: 26656K 16:33 < mikegrb> :) 16:33 < guinea-pig> and that's 217k on more than a base install 16:34 < caker> looks like it's glibc-common 16:34 * mikegrb now uninstalls localepurge :) 16:34 < caker> hmm maybe not 16:36 < caker> 47M to 697k on my new RedHat 9 image 16:37 * caker is on the hunt 16:37 < adamgent> it remove 17 on one of mine and 21 on another, both debian 16:40 < guinea-pig> whaddya know. bind9 unthreaded uses less memory than bind9 threaded 16:40 * guinea-pig is not surprised 16:40 < mikegrb> heh 16:40 < guinea-pig> debian's binaries are however, threaded 16:42 < adamgent> i tend to install bind by hand as I only usually use it for caching 16:43 * mikegrb liked pdnsd for chaching 16:43 < mikegrb> er 16:43 < mikegrb> caching 16:43 -!- sunny [~sunny@167.206.203.14] has quit [Quit: pop] 16:43 < mikegrb> nice and small and can handle a records for a few hosts (like machines on a lan) 16:44 < adamgent> bind just tends to be the easiest to have on there and I have the option to use if for name resolution if I need it 16:45 * guinea-pig goes off to write a bind drop in replacement 16:45 < guinea-pig> in bash 16:45 < Phonepiks> lol 16:46 < Phonepiks> You guys use subdomains at all? 16:46 < adamgent> sometimes 16:46 < guinea-pig> oh that's right. i'm upset that mod_ssl doesn't work for vhosts :< 16:46 < guinea-pig> it needs unique IPs 16:46 < Phonepiks> Easy to set up? My old cpanel account was a 1 click configure! 16:46 < adamgent> that it does 16:47 < adamgent> you need to add the details to the dns records and then add a vhost in apache 16:47 < caker> wildcard subdomains are fun, too 16:47 < Phonepiks> Yeah I could do with one of those :D 16:47 < adamgent> but easy to do 16:48 < adamgent> just put a * in the dns record 16:48 < Phonepiks> Something else to play with eh :o) 16:48 < adamgent> that should be a * A record 16:48 < Phonepiks> I've learnt SO much these last few days 16:50 < Artifexx> bbl 16:50 -!- Artifexx [~Artifex@216.144.24.226] has left #linode [] 17:02 -!- jax-work [~stbe@148.100.209.137] has quit [Quit: death] 17:21 < caker> hmm .. 61M /usr/share/doc 17:22 < mikegrb> heh 17:22 * mikegrb checks his gentoo system... lots of docs get stuck there 17:23 < caker> I say that goes 17:23 < caker> What reads out of /usr/share/doc ?? 17:23 < mikegrb> though gentoo gzips everything there 17:23 < caker> info? 17:23 < caker> never mind, that's another share dir 17:23 < mikegrb> gentoo puts all non man page docs there 17:23 < caker> it's gone 17:24 < mikegrb> INSTALL, README, etc 17:24 < mikegrb> 63M here 17:24 * caker aims rm at /usr/share/doc 17:24 < mikegrb> heh 17:25 * mikegrb does likewise after reviewing the lists 17:26 < mikegrb> what dist are you working on now? 17:26 < caker> Redhat 9 small 17:26 < caker> second most popular 17:26 < caker> next to debian 17:26 < mikegrb> ahh 17:27 * tjfontaine loves his debian install 17:27 < mikegrb> well when you get down to gentoo lemme know, I'll have a few suggestions 17:27 * tjfontaine loves linode 17:27 < caker> I'm assuming debian was so popular because of it's small footprint, givin the limitations on disk space 17:27 * tjfontaine loves caker 17:27 < mikegrb> tjfontaine: did you see the new image size? 17:27 * tjfontaine loves uml 17:27 < tjfontaine> mikegrb: no 17:27 < mikegrb> ahh 17:27 < caker> mikegrb: I need them -- don't know gentoo specifics 17:27 < mikegrb> heh 17:27 < guinea-pig> i read out of /usr/share/doc! 17:27 < mikegrb> heh 17:27 < mikegrb> too late 17:27 < caker> heh 17:27 < guinea-pig> all the time 17:28 < mikegrb> I have been known to on occasion 17:28 < guinea-pig> step 1) manpages; step 2) /usr/share/doc/README.Debian.gz 17:28 < mikegrb> I blasted it since I have all that stuff at home 17:28 < tjfontaine> ooh 80mb's 17:28 < guinea-pig> s/doc/doc\/$PACKAGE/ 17:28 < tjfontaine> I'd still be where I am now, cause I upgraded to unstable :-) 17:29 < mikegrb> my gentoo linode is a subset of the gentoo box at home... I install stuff there first, it's my dev machine :D 17:29 < tjfontaine> mikegrb: check your pm :-) 17:31 < mikegrb> check yours! 17:31 < tjfontaine> stupid forum sites 17:32 < caker> got a response from HE 17:32 < adamgent> and 17:32 < guinea-pig> re ipv7? 17:32 < guinea-pig> 6, rather 17:32 < mikegrb> heh 17:33 < mikegrb> I want ipv7 17:33 < mikegrb> forget 6 17:33 < guinea-pig> ditto 17:33 < tjfontaine> i want ipv11 17:33 < guinea-pig> let's hope it catches on faster than 6 has 17:33 < mikegrb> heh 17:33 < tjfontaine> ooh faulty adding 17:33 < tjfontaine> ipv10 17:33 < caker> basically they're still testing ipv6 on their core network 17:34 < adamgent> 6 will catch on but only when we run out of IP addresses 17:34 < mikegrb> I would be willing to sacrifice myself as a beta tester 17:34 < caker> otherwise they want to charge $200 for an additional drop into their ipv6 network 17:34 < caker> a month 17:34 < guinea-pig> aha 17:34 < mikegrb> I could take one for the team as it were 17:34 < caker> said they might release ipv6 on their core network soon.. 17:34 < mikegrb> oh 17:34 < mikegrb> heh 17:34 < mikegrb> forget that 17:34 < mikegrb> 17:34 < mikegrb> how many users are there? more importantly what is 200/n? 17:35 < adamgent> well thats not worth it then 17:35 < caker> what is the $200/month for? 17:35 < adamgent> a piece of cable 17:36 < caker> right 17:36 < adamgent> or fibre 17:36 < adamgent> fiber even 17:36 < mikegrb> heh 17:36 < caker> insane 17:36 < caker> no fibre on this switch of mine 17:36 < mikegrb> oh well 17:36 < caker> fibre .. damn brits 17:36 < adamgent> then a bit of cat 5 with a plug on the end 17:36 < mikegrb> I'll still be with linode when it is rolled out :) 17:37 < adamgent> probably not cost them any more than $5 for the drop 17:38 < caker> just a switch port 17:38 < adamgent> oh yeah and that 17:38 < adamgent> will that might be $50 - 17:38 < adamgent> $200 if they have good switches 17:38 < caker> To purchase it outright, yeah .. not per month like they want to charge 17:39 < adamgent> it does seem strange, after all you already have the rack/cage or whatever there 17:40 < shakr> no cages at HE :P 17:40 < caker> HE is expensive for the little guys like myself 17:40 < caker> When we start pulling 10mbit/month I can get awesome deals on b/w 17:41 < adamgent> there is a company on wht who offer good deals at he 17:41 < caker> I looked into them 17:41 * mikegrb does his part by setting a cron job to 'wget http://*' each night 17:41 < caker> hah, no please :) 17:41 < mikegrb> heh 17:41 < caker> Phonepiks is doing it all for us 17:41 < shakr> fastcolocation? 17:41 < mikegrb> heh indeed 17:42 < caker> shakr: it was the "asia" guy 17:42 < caker> I decided against it since I'd be plugging into their switch, and god only knows how well they maintain their equipment 17:42 < caker> I'd rather hold HE responsible for gear past my rig 17:42 * Phonepiks ? 17:42 < Phonepiks> :o) 17:42 < caker> But, I questioned the sales reps why there was such a huge disparity between b/w pricing 17:43 < adamgent> i cant remeber which one it was I think the username was sailor 17:43 < caker> basically it comes down to commitment 17:43 < shakr> oh, the user by the name of AlaskanWolf runs fastcolo, i have a 1u in his rack at HE fremont 17:44 < shakr> he has had some sweet deals recently on anything from 1u to a full rack 17:45 < shakr> http://www.fastcolocation.net/specials.html 17:45 < caker> anyone have a reference for how much power (in amps) a typical server pulls? 17:45 < caker> Mine are somewhere between .7 and 1.0 A 17:45 < mikegrb> 10000000000000 17:45 < mikegrb> less then that 17:45 < caker> (not including 1.8TB disk array) 17:45 < mikegrb> heh mmmmmmmmmmmm 17:46 < caker> it's the volts that jolts, but the mills that kills 17:46 < mikegrb> heh 17:47 < mikegrb> I've seen some crazy injuries 17:47 < adamgent> full cab and 10 meg for 595 is not bad 17:47 < mikegrb> hands basically disentigrated 18:11 < Efudd> hmm 18:13 < Efudd> caker, doesn't HE provide the power drops as part of bandwidth rack cost? 18:13 < Efudd> they quoted me $300/mo for 7U with 1 drop at .5Mbit 95th percentile. 18:13 < Efudd> which once again reminded me, bandwidth isn't cheap... however like you said, 10mbit and up gets 'ok' 18:15 < caker> They provide a 15A circuit to each cabinet 18:15 < caker> included 18:15 < Efudd> my server also has 3x power drops on it :/ 18:15 < adamgent> sounds about right 18:15 < caker> for an extra 20A circuit, they charge the same as another full rack (!) 18:16 < Efudd> Yup.. 18:16 < caker> 15A's isn't going to get me a lot of 1Us in one cabinet 18:16 < caker> still not sure how that's going to work out, cross that bridge when I get there, I guess 18:16 < adamgent> stupid 18:16 < Efudd> power isn't cheap. 18:16 < Efudd> i am suprised at how bandwidth and rack space is being thrown together these days. 18:16 < Efudd> just a few short years ago it was a very different idea. 18:16 < Efudd> you had to pay $1-1.5k/mo for 1Mbit and purchase the rack 18:16 < Efudd> caker, what switch(s) are you using for your headend ? 18:17 < caker> at HE, it's a Cisco 2924 18:17 < caker> -XL-EN 18:17 < Efudd> also, as far as he.net's network management goes, they have some of the best clue around..... they have been doing ipv6 for a looooooooong time....... 18:17 < Phonepiks> You looked at blade systems? 18:17 < caker> I started to look at them recently 18:17 < caker> proprietary setups scare me a little 18:18 < Efudd> blades aren't exactly cheap. 18:18 < Efudd> you are looking at 2-5k for the cabinet + hosts 18:18 < Phonepiks> Mate of mine does them, builds stupid spec's for the oil industry 18:18 < Efudd> it's sadly stil cheaper to purchase machines, unless of course rackspace is an issue 18:18 < caker> exactly 18:19 < caker> and it doesn't look like space is an issue 18:19 < caker> sales rep basically said "well, just get another cabinet with 15A included) 18:19 < caker> what a waste of space 18:19 < Efudd> I just purchased 10x regular towers over rackmounts due to price :/ 18:19 < Efudd> caker, he.net is used to selling 10racks at a time. 18:19 < Efudd> :/ 18:19 < caker> I was suprised they even took me seriously :) 18:20 < Efudd> they've offered free ipv6->v4 tunnels for a year or more 18:20 < Efudd> in order to protect their current network, they seperated the ipv6 net out... 18:21 < Efudd> in comparison, a local provider quoted me $800/mo for 5U+bandwidth :/ 18:21 < Efudd> + power 18:22 < Phonepiks> Guys, if I have a user set up to recieve mail should I be able to use a normal mail client to get in & check it? POP3 dosen't want to allow me access. 18:23 < Efudd> should yes. 18:23 < Efudd> pop3 might not be configured for auth with pam properly... 18:23 < caker> Phonepiks: running a pop3 server? 18:24 < Phonepiks> Getting : 18:24 < Phonepiks> Logging into phonepiks.com POP server as user test... 18:24 < Phonepiks> Socket Error #10061 Connection Refused 18:24 * Efudd suggests checking server side vs client 18:25 < Efudd> oh, conn refused. pop3 isn't listening :) 18:25 * Phonepiks goes off and reads "Servers for dummies" 18:27 < Phonepiks> Postfix dosen't do the POP3 stuff then? 18:30 < caker> Updated the RH9 small iamge .. reduced from 670 to 550 MB 18:35 < caker> mikegrb: I'll do gentoo next if you've got some time 18:36 -!- guinea-pig is now known as guinea-sleep 18:56 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12hdtlh.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #linode 18:57 < caker> sunny: hello 19:12 < Efudd> postfix is an MTA, not a pop3 daemon 19:13 * mikegrb is here 19:13 < caker> mikegrb: what suggestions/advice do you have for gentooooo 19:14 < caker> this is what I've done so far: fixed the bogus portage~ directory, emerge sync, and now its doing emerge -u world 19:16 < mikegrb> after done, I would clear /usr/portage/distfiles 19:16 < caker> ok 19:16 < mikegrb> this is where packages are dl'ed to 19:16 < caker> is there no "emerge clean" or similar? 19:16 < mikegrb> portage leave the files there so rebuilding packages is faster 19:16 < mikegrb> well there is but it has a different function 19:16 < caker> ok 19:17 < mikegrb> also /var/tmp/portage 19:17 < mikegrb> this is where packages are built 19:17 < caker> am I ok letting emerge -u world do it's thing? 19:17 < mikegrb> a package in extracted to a subdir under here and then built and installed here 19:17 < mikegrb> yes 19:18 < caker> it's offley busy 19:18 < mikegrb> that will do things like replace ssh with the fixed version and what not 19:18 < adamgent> i take it that it is updating all the fiels etc 19:18 < caker> its building stuff atm 19:18 < adamgent> i keep meaning to look at gentoo but never get round to it 19:18 < sunny> caker: hi 19:19 < sunny> caker: how did you go about making your mandrake small distro ? 19:19 < adamgent> i keep wondering the same about the small debian distro 19:20 < guinea-sleep> debootstrap makes a nice base debian install 19:20 < sunny> the smallest mandrake distro can be 65 megs (an option on the CD install) ... add urpmi and ssh, and it still should be no more than 75 megs ... 19:21 < mikegrb> since gentoo builds /everything/ from src an emerge -u world downloads src for each package there are updates for and then compiles and installs it 19:21 < Efudd> yah, the gentoo as stands is a little outdated 19:21 < Efudd> took me about 6hrs lastnight to update 19:21 < adamgent> how alike are debian and gentoo 19:21 < Efudd> plus, most folk using gentoo will accidentally build X :) 19:21 < caker> sunny: i installed onto a physical system and then lobbed it off onto a loop fs 19:22 < sunny> caker: I see ... I think 250 megs for mandrake small is rather large 19:22 < caker> i made the debian one in a chroot 19:23 < Efudd> gentoo users need to be really careful about the USE line on package updates lest they get a lot more than they expect. 19:23 < mikegrb> that is what makes the p option good 19:23 < sunny> caker: could I provide a list of packages that would comprise a smaller Mandrake small ? 19:23 < Efudd> mike, /nods. 19:23 < mikegrb> 'emerge -p pkgname' then remove the p and do it for real :) 19:24 < caker> sunny: when I get to mandrake, sure 19:24 < Efudd> i forget what I added that wanted to install X.. 19:24 < sunny> caker: cool, just let me know 19:24 < mikegrb> heh 19:24 < Efudd> i always -pv before an install or update 19:24 < mikegrb> yes one should make sure -X is in the use line 19:24 < Efudd> mike, doesn't matter. some things will override that as a dependancy 19:25 < mikegrb> aye 19:25 < Efudd> I have -X on my make.conf USE and X was still queued due to... hrmmm....... sompn. 19:25 < caker> now it's building bash .. this is going to take a while 19:25 < Efudd> i had to rebuild gcc lastnight :) 19:25 < caker> heh 19:25 < mikegrb> indeed 19:25 < mikegrb> I switched our home server from redhat to gentoo 19:25 < mikegrb> that was a good 4 days 19:25 < Efudd> I signed off on redhat about 2 years ago 19:25 < Efudd> fok that. 19:26 < Efudd> been using solaris and *gasp* XP/2K at home until gentoo came 'round 19:26 < adamgent> i tend to use debian, the only problem is that it takes so long for update to come through 19:26 < Efudd> I dislike debian's system also. 19:26 < caker> now it's beeping at me about make.globals 19:27 < sunny> pah, gentoo can't hold a candle to archlinux's pure bash compile system 19:27 < Efudd> caker, at the end you need to do a etc-update, that's what the beeping is about, probably. 19:27 < caker> "etc-update" as a command? 19:27 < Efudd> if you are smart about the etc-update, you can prolly fix a lot of the default stuff on your image. 19:27 < Efudd> yeah. 19:27 < Efudd> It helps you merge your installed files vs the to-be-installed ones. 19:27 < mikegrb> I had problems with debian not wanting to install dev libraries 19:27 < Efudd> uses vimdiff and various other things to help merge. 19:28 < mikegrb> it'll show you a dif 19:28 < mikegrb> right 19:28 < caker> wtf is it merging? 19:28 < mikegrb> real spiffy tool 19:28 < mikegrb> heh 19:28 < Efudd> -nods- it is. 19:28 < mikegrb> new default configs and the existing configs 19:28 < caker> just version diffs? 19:28 < caker> ok 19:28 < mikegrb> right 19:28 < Efudd> caker, um, if i've say, modified /etc/make.conf (which I have) the new update might have some changes.. 19:28 < Efudd> ie, it might want to se USE back to not have "-X" in there.. 19:28 < Efudd> so you gotta watch what it's doing closely. 19:28 < mikegrb> it will give you a list of files that have new versions available 19:29 < sunny> how is this different than freebsd's much older merge-master ? heh 19:29 < mikegrb> you enter the number for the one you want to play with, and it shows the difs 19:29 < Efudd> you can have it merge individual lines from either version, old/new, replace old with new, or keep new 19:29 < caker> Is that just make files, or configuration files too? 19:29 < Efudd> all of /etc is under etc-update 19:30 < Efudd> so thinks like locale changes and such will show up. 19:30 < caker> gotcha 19:30 < mikegrb> right, the interactive merge will show you each version, change by change and you pick if you want to use your old version or the new one 19:30 < caker> pretty cool 19:30 < Efudd> i generally manually update (ie merge specificaly) /etc/* then automerge /etc/init.d/* and anytyhing else. 19:30 < caker> So this would be better than /etc/some.conf.rpmnew 19:30 < caker> setup that rpm uses 19:31 < mikegrb> yes it helps you :) 19:31 < Efudd> -nods- 19:31 < mikegrb> it names the new configs .something in the realavent dirs 19:31 < Efudd> it's fairly intuitive, I think. 19:31 < mikegrb> but etc-update will find them all for you and present the changes 19:31 < Efudd> er _rev_name or sompn, but yah 19:31 < caker> excellent 19:32 < mikegrb> eveit will even merge commented changes automatically 19:32 < mikegrb> er 19:32 < mikegrb> s/eve// 19:32 < Efudd> rpm pissed me off because of stupid dependencies between packages. 19:32 < Efudd> debian pissed me off because of something similar.. 19:32 < mikegrb> yes that's why I'm with gentoo... I love portage 19:32 < Efudd> less so required dependancies over "uh oh, you didn't install from a .deb, so i'm gonna bitch a lot." 19:32 < caker> how is compile performance in your Linodes? 19:32 < Efudd> portage is like the best of slack/yggdrasil w/ a maanger 19:33 < mikegrb> even if installing everything from suorce can be anoying once and a while 19:33 < sunny> Efudd: but apt/urpmi fix0r such issues 19:33 < Efudd> mine is ok :P but i'm on a larger linode than most i think 19:33 < Efudd> apt is .. ok 19:33 < mikegrb> well I dunno, I use 'nice -n 10 emerge somesuch' 19:33 < mikegrb> so things can continue 19:33 < Efudd> compiles are definately IO bound 19:33 < caker> You think? 19:34 < Efudd> =] 19:34 < caker> I would tend to doubt that 19:34 < Efudd> well, more so than native :P 19:34 < sunny> how is portage anyhting like slacware ? it grew out from sorcerer lunix 19:34 < Efudd> eh, load went to 5-6 lastnight on emerge world 19:34 < Efudd> your system is ~= my system at home which doesn't > 1.2 19:34 < mikegrb> caker: If I nice something down and my linode doesn't need the cpu can another linode take advantage of the fact that my task is niced down? I'd tend to think not but I wish it was yes :) 19:35 < Efudd> i'm guessing it was io bottleneck over CPU/mem.. but i didn't investigate. 19:35 < caker> Depending on the time, it might have been cron-party time 19:35 < Efudd> coulda been.. it was probably 1-2am EST when it started.. and i just went to sleep 19:35 < caker> mikegrb: let me figure a way to answer that 19:35 < caker> mikegrb: no 19:35 < mikegrb> heh 19:35 < mikegrb> okay 19:35 < Efudd> sunny, i'm saying it ~= slackware in that slackware had no package system at all and I was *forced* to compile from hand 19:35 < caker> things are only nice when there's extra schedual time in your Linode 19:36 < caker> I can nice your Linode, if you want 19:36 < mikegrb> no heh 19:36 < sunny> Efudd: slackware always had package management system ... the guys at linuxpackages.net did a great job of keeping track of slackware packages 19:36 < sunny> even from non-slacware sources too 19:36 < mikegrb> I just was curious if compiles and what not niced down.... 19:36 < mikegrb> heh 19:37 < mikegrb> of course you could renice it to -5 :D 19:37 < mikegrb> heh 19:37 < caker> heh 19:37 < Efudd> sunny, lesse, back in 93/94 when i used slack, i grabbed a,n, and that's about it. then built everything else 19:39 < Efudd> i miss having fast leased lines on my main system... between 93-99 i always had a least a T1 to my 'home' ... was pulling 2.5MB/sec here lastnight :) 19:40 < sunny> 93/94 ? well I can see why, the first release of slackware was in 94, heh 19:40 < Efudd> sunny, i started on ygg.. dates get mangled this far in 19:41 < caker> So when you guys use my (old) gentoo fs, you had to go through the same procedure (emerge world) ? 19:41 < Efudd> -nods- 19:42 < caker> How out of date is this thing, I only built it like 3 mo ago 19:42 < mikegrb> right 19:42 < mikegrb> heh 19:42 < mikegrb> wasn't too bad when I did it 19:42 < sunny> caker: there is no way to have the linode boot strap an installation process ? 19:42 < Efudd> caker, i update my home systems weekly 19:42 < caker> sunny: not without customizing each distro's install procedures 19:42 < caker> sunny: I thought about it, but not worth it in the long run 19:43 < caker> Here's the procedure to make RedHat 9's install work under uml: 19:43 < caker> http://linuxhacker.ru/uml/ 19:43 < caker> custom initrds, etc.. 19:44 < sunny> I see 19:44 < caker> but that's a neat idea 19:44 < sunny> well, my issue with binary disk images is that the distro might ship with a remote r00t exploit or something 19:45 < caker> Right, but I could also include r00ted packages from the repository that it install sfrom... 19:45 < caker> you just have to trust me :) 19:45 < mikegrb> heh 19:45 < mikegrb> hmm 19:45 * mikegrb considers if he trusts caker or not 19:45 < Efudd> and if you don't, i'll reboot your linode ! 19:45 < caker> hehe 19:46 < sunny> I would think that a remote root exploit would justify a new distro image ... but OTOH I can see how that would be a 1000% PITA for you 19:46 < sunny> caker: just pray openssh isn't going to get hax0red :) 19:47 < caker> TOS: You're responsible for keeping your existing system up to date 19:47 < caker> but, otoh, I've got to keep the initial images relatively up to date, too 19:47 < Efudd> what are you using for your host OS caker? 19:47 < caker> rh 19:47 < Efudd> isee. :) 19:47 < caker> But, it really wouldn't matter 19:48 < caker> the hosts don't need to do much 19:48 < Efudd> -nods- 19:48 < caker> perl, mysql-libs, a few filesystem utilities, skas patch, ebtables 19:49 * Efudd prolly should fix up iptables soonish 19:50 < mikegrb> I'm planning on doing it eventually 19:51 < mikegrb> my spam solution supports firewalling through iptables 19:51 < caker> console makes it easy-- don't have to worry about locking yourself out 19:51 < Efudd> interesting. 19:51 < Efudd> i'm hesitant to turn mail on :/ 19:51 < mikegrb> kind of like dns black listing but you control it 19:51 < Efudd> broked.net was MIA for 3years or so and lots of folk farmed it from whois :/ 19:51 < mikegrb> I want iptable for that and logging, not so much firewalling in general 19:51 < mikegrb> heh 19:51 < mikegrb> dspam works great 19:52 < mikegrb> uses bayesian filtering but doesn't just look at words but word pairs 19:52 < mikegrb> so order of words and phrases affect it also 19:52 < Efudd> i turned it on temporarily thorugh a forward to fix broked.edu ... it was about to get deleted apparently 19:52 < Efudd> now my .EDU is grandfathered despite the old rules :) 19:53 < mikegrb> heh 19:53 < mikegrb> http://www.nuclearelephant.com/dspam/ 19:53 -!- Phonepiks [Phonepiks@wristpiks.plus.com] has quit [Quit: Night Night] 19:53 * caker needs a bigger Linode to build gentoo on 19:54 < mikegrb> heh 19:54 < caker> too bad SMP inside UML doesn't work w/ skas mode 19:54 < Efudd> hrm. my gnome-term has apparenlty forgotten how to open a url 19:54 < mikegrb> should use gnome 19:55 < mikegrb> use kde 19:55 < Efudd> fok KDE 19:55 < Efudd> biggest damn mess of dependencies ever. 19:55 < mikegrb> heh 19:55 < Efudd> nuclear/dspam 404 19:55 < Efudd> projects/dspam 19:56 < mikegrb> hmmm 19:56 < mikegrb> ahh 19:56 < mikegrb> my bad 19:56 < caker> Are there lots of bogus packages in the Gentoo fs? 19:57 < mikegrb> you mean installed? 19:57 < caker> like eject, lilo, esound, etc ? 19:57 < caker> yes 19:57 < mikegrb> oh 19:57 < mikegrb> didn't notice any 19:57 < Efudd> prolly.. haven't profiled it yet... 19:57 < mikegrb> I looked through the world database 19:57 < Efudd> sad. i'm emerging epm to do an epm -qa :) 19:57 < mikegrb> heh 19:57 < caker> quote: "emerge -pe world will show you all of the installed packages. 19:57 < caker> " 19:57 < mikegrb> I would have gone with metalog instead of syslog 19:58 < Efudd> no. it doesn't look very bloated. 19:58 < Efudd> afk a sec. 19:59 < mikegrb> though since syslogd was already installed I just went with that 19:59 < adamgent> well it is time for me to get some sleep, i will speak to you all tomorrow 19:59 < mikegrb> night 19:59 < caker> nite Adam 19:59 < mikegrb> oh caker one problem I had... 20:00 < mikegrb> I tried to turn dma on for the root device but hdparm gave me an error ;) 20:00 < mikegrb> 20:00 < Efudd> -snicker- 20:00 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has quit [] 20:00 < mikegrb> speaking of which follows is a list of packages that cuold prob be removed 20:00 < mikegrb> 1 hdparm 20:00 < mikegrb> 2 fbset 20:01 < caker> hehe 20:02 < mikegrb> 3. setserial 20:02 < Efudd> setserial not needed for agetty ? 20:03 < mikegrb> hmm 20:03 < mikegrb> I dunno 20:03 < mikegrb> I hink there is a commend to see if something is depended on by something else 20:03 < Efudd> sablotron-0.97 20:03 < Efudd> mm /ponders/ 20:04 < mikegrb> that may be used by portage 20:04 < Efudd> yah, trying to determine 20:04 < mikegrb> hmm 20:05 < Efudd> emerge -pe world slower than epm -qa|sort 20:05 < mikegrb> caker you might want to consider removing the portage tree again once everything is up to date 20:06 < mikegrb> since the user should do an emerge syn anyway 20:06 < Efudd> [ebuild N ] sys-libs/cracklib-2.7-r7 20:06 < Efudd> ? 20:06 < mikegrb> would decrease the size of the image which would decrease time 20:06 < mikegrb> Efudd: pam needs it 20:06 < mikegrb> pretty sure anyway 20:06 < Efudd> i see. 20:07 < caker> mikegrb: I tried last time with portage~ directory, but forgot to remove it 20:07 < caker> But, wouldn't people deploy the gentoo image, and then not even be able to sync? 20:08 < mikegrb> I dunno 20:08 < mikegrb> you might want to mv it to another dir 20:08 < mikegrb> mkdir /usr/portage 20:08 < mikegrb> and try emerge sync 20:08 < mikegrb> just to make sure 20:08 < mikegrb> I think it would work 20:08 < caker> Do you mean just to get a fresh portage dir after I make all this stuff? 20:09 < mikegrb> well no 20:09 < caker> the portage dir is like 220 megs 20:09 < caker> er, the one that contains all the scripts 20:09 < Efudd> mmm imight ahve got sablotron when i emerged php 20:09 < mikegrb> to decrease image size of a bit 20:09 < mikegrb> right 20:10 < mikegrb> so that would speed deployment 20:10 < mikegrb> and force people to emerge sync before they emerge anything else 20:10 < mikegrb> to make sure they have a current portage tree 20:10 < caker> Right .. I'd just worry about ppl deploying the gentoo fs with the min size, and it being useless 20:10 < mikegrb> well maybe a note that it doesn't include a portage tree and this will take about another 250 megs or something like that 20:11 < caker> Yeah 20:11 < caker> could do that 20:11 < sunny> holy cow 20:11 < Efudd> define an initial motd on the gentoo tree caker... 20:11 < sunny> mandrake small takes up 775 megs? ... *cough* 20:11 < mikegrb> heh 20:11 < sunny> I thought it was 250 all this time .. and even thats huge 20:11 < mikegrb> Efudd: heh I suggested that when caker and I had this discussion abt a week ago 20:11 < Efudd> Ah. 20:12 < mikegrb> though it is kind of something people need to know about before then 20:12 < mikegrb> like on the page that shows dist sizes 20:12 < Efudd> there is a reason most colo's only provide redhat or debian :) 20:12 < mikegrb> heh 20:12 < mikegrb> b/c they aren't COOL 20:12 < caker> word 20:12 * Efudd wouldn't have purchased an linode without gentoo available 20:12 < mikegrb> heh 20:13 < caker> I'll get SuSE going too, once my new hardware arrives 20:13 < mikegrb> the biggest factors for me, in order from highest to smallest 20:13 < mikegrb> 1) kick ass control panel doo hickie 20:13 < caker> I had never used a few of these (obviously) before Linode 20:13 < mikegrb> 2) gentoo available 20:13 < mikegrb> 3) kickass TOS/AUP 20:13 < Efudd> 0) some type of serial console 20:14 < mikegrb> yes, I kind of consider that lumped in with number 1 20:14 < mikegrb> but indeed 20:14 < Efudd> FYI 20:14 < Efudd> forever root # emerge -pv world 20:14 < Efudd> 20:14 < Efudd> These are the packages that I would merge, in order: 20:14 < Efudd> 20:14 < Efudd> Calculating world dependencies ...done! 20:14 < Efudd> [ebuild U ] sys-libs/zlib-1.1.4-r2 [1.1.4-r1] 20:14 < Efudd> [ebuild N ] sys-apps/hdparm-5.4 20:14 < Efudd> [ebuild N ] sys-apps/fbset-2.1 20:14 < Efudd> 20:14 < Efudd> system seems to want hdparm/fbset 20:14 < mikegrb> heh 20:14 < mikegrb> yes 20:14 < mikegrb> oh well 20:15 < sunny> -1) anything but FreeBSD's VDS, FreeVDS, or plex 20:15 < Efudd> Heh... 20:15 < caker> Have you guys ever used a vservers system? 20:15 < caker> It 20:15 < caker> It's cool, don't get me wrong, but what a hack 20:15 < Efudd> actually, a lot of the reason i signed up was i logged on oftc, sent caker a message and got a response in a few moments. :P 20:16 < mikegrb> heh 20:16 < sunny> caker: I had hostonfly.com for a while 20:16 < sunny> it sucked monkey nuts 20:16 * mikegrb hasn't used any of the like, I don't think I would have 20:16 < caker> Efudd: how did you know I was on oftc, just from the forums? Cause we had just started the #linode channel that day or so 20:17 < Efudd> caker, hrm, yeah, there was a reference on one of the forums.... 20:17 < Efudd> i was reading.. hrmm.. some site, saw linode, clicked, went "hmm" read forums, went "ahh" and that was that. 20:17 < mikegrb> heh 20:17 < mikegrb> indeed 20:17 < mikegrb> I found it on k5 20:17 < Efudd> Oh yah. that's it. 20:17 < mikegrb> thought 20/mnth! 20:18 < Efudd> friend of mine purchased a $20/mo today for his backup DNS from my ref. 20:18 < mikegrb> I don't even read k5 but once every other month or so 20:18 < sunny> I found it on google groups ... or google, one of 'em 20:18 < Efudd> suggestion, don't advertise on /. please. :P 20:18 < mikegrb> when I found it I didn't even read k5 20:18 < mikegrb> heh 20:18 < caker> Efudd: too expensive, anyhow 20:19 < Efudd> ah... 20:19 < mikegrb> linode doesn't need that, sells quickly anyway :) 20:19 < caker> mikegrb: I just started doing the k5 ads about a week or two ago, too 20:19 < Efudd> then again, i'm hopefully locked into the same performance i get now for a while. 20:19 < mikegrb> heh 20:19 < mikegrb> I must have seen them within the first few days 20:19 < caker> Efudd: there are a few more slots on host10, but generally loadavg is below 1, so always a processor open :) 20:20 < Efudd> i'm on host6 :) 20:20 < caker> er 20:20 < caker> host6 is full, so you're set 20:20 < Efudd> sadly didn't get at he.net 20:20 < mikegrb> heh 20:20 * sunny used to be on host4 .... 20:20 * caker comforts sunny 20:20 < Efudd> i got the last 192 avail. 20:21 < caker> sorry about host4, man -- frustrating for everyone :) 20:21 < mikegrb> heh 20:21 < sunny> its all good, this new host rocks :) 20:21 < caker> Sweet 20:22 < mikegrb> 10 is nice too, as well as 9 for the few days I was there 20:22 < mikegrb> time to step outside 20:23 * caker sees gentoo building gcc .. 20:24 < Efudd> .. 2 days later.... 20:32 * Artifex is away: dinner w/ the gf 20:33 < caker> sunny: What's included in your ideal mandrake small fs? 20:33 < caker> just total barebones base system? 21:00 < sunny> caker: the 65 meg instal + urpmi + ssh 21:00 < caker> heh 21:00 < caker> That's barebones, I'd say 21:01 < sunny> yep 21:02 < sunny> caker: when doing an MDK install, select no package sets to be installed ... MDK will ask you if you really want a super duper tiny distro (even without documentation, etc) 21:02 < mikegrb> :) 21:02 < mikegrb> it's kind of nice to have a blank slate to start from 21:03 < sunny> caker: then manually mount the CD, install the urpmi RPM .. and then use urpmi to get the openssh-server (urpmi works just like apt does) 21:03 < mikegrb> it almost gets the same result as being able to install it yourself 21:04 < caker> right 21:05 < mikegrb> I should go read some uml faq's 'n stuff 21:05 < mikegrb> understand skas and tt and stuff 21:06 < mikegrb> not that I have to understand it to run my linode but it's nice to learn new things 21:07 < sunny> caker: is it possible to downsize a partition ? 21:10 < caker> it's possible, just not with my system yet 21:10 < caker> There's some calculations of block sizes and overhead blocks that I havent figured out yet 21:11 < sunny> ah, I'd love to try the MDK small distro :) 21:12 < caker> crap, ran out of space 21:12 < sunny> haha 21:15 < mikegrb> heh 21:15 < mikegrb> still building stuff in gentoo or is this mdk? 21:15 < caker> gentoo, it was almost done with gcc 21:15 < caker> no worries, i'll resize :) 21:15 < mikegrb> heh 21:15 < mikegrb> I had that prob on the home server 21:16 < mikegrb> 500mb var and that is where it builds stuff by default 21:16 < mikegrb> had to move it to /usr 21:16 < mikegrb> 500mb just wasn't big enough to build X 21:18 * caker hopes it doesn't make clean 21:18 < mikegrb> actually... :/ 21:18 < mikegrb> it doesnt it just starts over 21:19 < caker> looks like about 24 packages were installed already .. 21:19 < mikegrb> there is an emerge --resume or something like that but it just resumes on the step it was on 21:19 < mikegrb> yha 21:19 < caker> yeah, starting over at gcc, which isn't so bad 21:19 < mikegrb> since they were already finished 21:19 < mikegrb> I don't know the point of the --resume you get the same thing running the command over again 21:20 < caker> hmm someone is spidering the site 21:20 < mikegrb> hmmm 21:20 < mikegrb> what's the hostname? 21:20 < mikegrb> and user-agent? 21:20 < caker> Mozilla/4.5 (compatible; HTTrack 3.0x; Windows 98) 21:21 < caker> client-200.60.243.120.speedy.net.pe 21:21 < mikegrb> it's for offline browsing 21:21 < mikegrb> www.httrack.com 21:21 < caker> HTTrack? 21:21 < mikegrb> gpl even 21:22 < mikegrb> weird 21:22 < mikegrb> no offense but I don't know why someone would spider something like linode.com for offline browsing 21:22 < mikegrb> well, maybe the forums 21:22 < caker> looks like mostly the forums 21:23 < caker> sometimes they get stuck in my ldp/howtos folder ::snickers:: 21:23 < mikegrb> heh 21:24 < sunny> actually 21:24 < sunny> I'm tired of everyone mirroring the HOWTO 21:24 < caker> it's pretty useless, i admit 21:24 * mikegrb considers fwding email to /dev/null.... to much email 21:24 < mikegrb> yes 21:24 < sunny> it makes searching for legit information really hard, cuz all you get is hits with the bloody HOWTO 21:24 < mikegrb> I haven't used one in a long time 21:24 < caker> although google searches find them every now and then 21:25 < caker> well, exactly your point, sunny 21:26 < sunny> see 21:26 < sunny> what I end up doing is 21:26 < caker> -howto 21:26 < sunny> foobar -"Next Previous Contents" 21:26 < caker> hahaha 21:26 < sunny> no no 21:26 < sunny> -howto would be bad 21:26 < caker> excellent :) 21:27 < sunny> the above works much better 21:39 < mikegrb> heh jdike got a non-thinking user again 21:41 < caker> He gets sarcastic, it's fun to watch 21:41 < caker> My favorite was yesterday though 21:43 < mikegrb> it's hard not to sometimes 21:49 < caker> think I'd get much interest in Sourcemage? 21:49 < caker> I've always wanted to try it, just to see what the heck they did 21:50 < sunny> another sorcerer fork ? 21:50 < caker> I think they renamed themselves 21:51 < mikegrb> ? 21:51 * mikegrb googles 21:51 < mikegrb> oh 21:51 < sunny> eh, try Lunar Linux or ArchLinux 21:51 < mikegrb> heh 21:52 < caker> lunar linux.. hmm 21:52 < mikegrb> "linux so advanced it may as well be magic" 21:52 < sunny> also forks of sorcerer 21:52 < caker> yeah that's great 21:52 < mikegrb> tjfontaine or Artifex might have suggestions for distributions 21:52 < caker> Where's the main sorcerer site? 21:53 < mikegrb> though I know tj is big on mandrake and Artifex on gentoo so you've got them covered 21:53 < caker> Rigtht 21:53 < caker> i guess this IS the site: http://sorcerer.wox.org/ 21:53 < caker> weird 21:53 < sunny> sorcerer.wox.org,com 21:53 < sunny> don't remember which 21:53 < sunny> doh 21:54 < mikegrb> http://sorcerer.wox.org/ 21:54 < mikegrb> sounds like gentoo 21:54 < mikegrb> well I guess gentoo is like it 21:54 < caker> yeah .. 21:55 < caker> RedHat Enterprise 9000 21:56 < sunny> I love redhat as a company, but I swear I want to barf all over their distro 21:56 < caker> How come? 21:57 < sunny> well, I find that redhat is the reason why so many people have such a jaded opinion of RPM 21:57 < sunny> I wanted to install their kernel-source RPM ... 21:57 < caker> hmm 21:57 < sunny> which REQUIRED gcc 21:57 < sunny> what a load of horse shit 21:57 < sunny> and gcc has its own dependencies .. etc etc etc 21:57 < caker> that's bizarre 21:57 < caker> Right 21:57 < caker> up2date does all that for you now (if you hvae an acct) 21:58 < caker> does what apt does, essentially 21:58 < mikegrb> yes I don't like the acct stuff, have to fill uot a survey every so often 21:58 < caker> stay out of my machines, redhat 21:59 < caker> I should run my own up2date server 21:59 < caker> and apt-cache 21:59 < mikegrb> heh 21:59 < caker> and, etc 21:59 < sunny> I have no idea, I never touched RH again after that 22:00 < caker> what version of rh was that sunny? 22:00 < sunny> 7.x ? 8.x ? 22:00 < sunny> I don't remember 22:00 < sunny> I just wanted to read some kernel code ... to see what RH did 22:01 < caker> heh 22:01 < caker> I almost have the opinion that distro providers provide more stable kernels than any one particular vanilla kernel version you build yourself ... 22:01 < sunny> ah ha 22:02 < sunny> that reminds me 22:02 < sunny> RH used to provide AMAZING generic kernels 22:02 < sunny> and then this guy named juan (I htink?) took over and totaled it 22:02 < sunny> at one point this guy decided that DRI didn't need to be built for the i386 arch 22:02 < caker> I haven't been 100% satisfied with any of the 2.4.18-23 kernels thus far .. 22:02 < sunny> BIG MISTAKE 22:02 < caker> something is always off 22:03 < caker> hah 22:04 < sunny> on a good note 22:04 < sunny> Redhat 6.2 was quite possibly the most polished distro I've ever seen 22:04 < caker> Linux nova 2.2.13 #4 Mon Nov 13 22:25:38 CST 2000 i686 unknown 22:04 < caker> [root@nova logs]# uptime 22:04 < caker> 10:04pm up 84 days, 19:03, 1 user, load average: 0.41, 0.17, 0.67 22:05 < sunny> the electrical utility companies still run it, and RH support it for a whoooleee long time 22:05 < caker> and that's only from a power failure at the d/c 22:05 < sunny> heh 22:05 < caker> This machine has rolled over it's uptime before on two occasions 22:07 < sunny> cool 22:20 < Efudd> fok redhat, rpm, and dependencies. 22:23 * mikegrb attempts to bend zope to his will 22:35 < sunny> Efudd: some of us like to do work with our software, and not have spend endless time working to get our software 22:36 < sunny> if this mantra of building all software truely was the panacea ... it would have been adopted a whole long time ago 22:36 < Efudd> redhat has always caused me to waste more time making it functional than say, using win32 + cygwin 22:36 < sunny> that is Redhat, not Manadrake (urpmi), SuSE (Yast2), Connectiva (apt-rpm) 22:36 < Efudd> Did I mention those? :) 22:37 < sunny> then your dislike for RPM is disingenuous 22:37 < Efudd> .. /shrug. too busy with sompn else. 22:49 -!- orfeu [orfeu@213.233.78.142] has joined #linode 22:49 -!- orfeu [orfeu@213.233.78.142] has left #linode [] 22:58 < caker> etc-update is pretty slick 22:58 < mikegrb> indeed it is 23:01 < caker> nice, this has the checks for uml before using hwclock 23:01 < mikegrb> yes :) 23:01 < mikegrb> I noticed that a few days ago :) 23:01 < caker> go gentoo 23:02 < mikegrb> indeed 23:11 < caker> any way to reduce the size of /usr/portage ? 23:12 < Efudd> not really. 23:12 < Efudd> or rather, "AFAIK no." 23:13 < caker> ok .. got the image down to around 650 from 780... 23:13 < caker> not sure how 23:13 < caker> :) 23:14 < Efudd> heh.... 23:14 < Efudd> with a full portage sync ? 23:14 < caker> Yes 23:20 < mikegrb> well you can delete all the stuffs 23:20 < mikegrb> that would require a sync after install 23:20 < mikegrb> though like we've discussed unless someone uses this image in the next week that will be desired anyway 23:22 < mikegrb> guess what 23:22 < mikegrb> it was set in the init script gentoo uses 23:23 < mikegrb> so problem solved... restarting zope :) 23:24 < mikegrb> er 23:24 < mikegrb> heh 23:24 < mikegrb> wrong window :) 23:40 < caker> ok, you convinced me to delete it 23:41 < mikegrb> heh 23:41 < mikegrb> how big is it without? 23:41 < mikegrb> did you mv to a temp folder and make sure an emerge sync would work? 23:41 < caker> mikegrb: yes 23:41 < mikegrb> s/mv to/move it/ 23:41 < mikegrb> heh 23:41 < mikegrb> how big is the image without it? 23:41 < caker> it's about 375 without 23:42 < caker> But if someone makes it less than 650, they'd be screwed, right? 23:42 < caker> you need the entire sync before being able to emerge any single package, right? 23:43 < mikegrb> well sortof 23:43 < mikegrb> they could manually populate the stuff they needed 23:43 < caker> hmm 23:43 < mikegrb> be good to say it is 375 but after an emerge sync it will need 650 23:44 * tjfontaine has had it up to here with OSS projects 23:45 < tjfontaine> why can't we all jsut get along? 23:49 < mikegrb> heh 23:49 < mikegrb> yes so you saw franz's latest email hahahaha 23:49 < mikegrb> I fell off the couch laughing at his stupidity and superiority complex and nobody better touch my code or even submit a patch but me 23:50 < mikegrb> + attitude 23:50 < tjfontaine> franz email was expected, as I told mist it would be, what was unexpected and truly a poor facade was mist's support of the decision 23:50 < mikegrb> yes 23:50 < mikegrb> I was sadened by this too 23:50 < tjfontaine> I'm currently formulating a response, but I'm a bit to sharped tounged right now so znark's going over it for me 23:51 < mikegrb> heh good idea 23:51 < caker> I usually wait over night for those kind of responses :) 23:51 < mikegrb> is this why you are "cooling off" 23:51 < mikegrb> caker: this guy has threatened to leave the project if anyone touches his code 23:51 < caker> so? 23:51 < tjfontaine> caker: I may do that as well... its an important one that may end up in a vote of no-confidence in our project leader for me, which is truly a travesty 23:51 < caker> it's grp'ed right? 23:51 < mikegrb> though he said he had left the project once already 23:52 < caker> is it a big blow if you lose him? 23:52 < tjfontaine> right now, yes 23:52 < caker> s/grp/GPL/ 23:52 < mikegrb> no one fully understands the code 23:52 < tjfontaine> he drove off the original coder 23:52 < mikegrb> he doesn't let anyone in on the methodology of stuff 23:52 < tjfontaine> nor use doxygen when he learns something 23:53 < mikegrb> tjfontaine: did you see the email about executer and gpl violation, I think it was from gimli 23:53 < tjfontaine> its a large mass of code including jpeg-lib, linux usbstack, and grub code 23:53 < tjfontaine> mikegrb: ya, my idea, I posted it on forums... 23:53 < mikegrb> well I knew that, just curious if you had seen the email or knew abt it before hand 23:54 < mikegrb> caker: it's a bios if that gives you any idea abt how much is involved 23:54 < tjfontaine> mikegrb: no prior knowledge, no. But i've said it to him lots of time 23:54 < mikegrb> I see 23:54 < tjfontaine> mikegrb: and mist didn't even respond 23:54 < caker> mikegrb: ok i gotcha 23:54 < tjfontaine> oh so disappointing 23:57 < mikegrb> gmmm 23:57 < mikegrb> er hmmm 23:57 * mikegrb looks abt for a blank cdr --- Log closed Thu Oct 30 00:00:01 2003 --- Log opened Thu Oct 30 00:00:02 2003 00:00 < tjfontaine> heh 23:53 < caker> hmm clock was fast 23:54 < mikegrb> just a bit 23:54 < mikegrb> tjfontaine: I shall try again with a vergin rw at 4x, couldn't find any r's 23:55 < tjfontaine> good luck 23:55 < tjfontaine> and godspeed 23:55 < mikegrb> yes 23:55 < mikegrb> mmmmm becker is eating a burger 23:55 < mikegrb> it's making me hungry 23:56 < mikegrb> and today is wednesday? 23:56 < mikegrb> how late is burger kind open? 23:56 < tjfontaine> king is open late, past 11pm around here 23:56 < tjfontaine> wendy's is open til 2->4am 23:56 < tjfontaine> taco hell 2->4am as well 23:56 < mikegrb> but this is wednesday 23:56 < mikegrb> 4 til midnight 23:57 < mikegrb> hmmm wendys would be good but they don't take credit cards :< 23:57 < tjfontaine> if its not right up the street you're screwed 23:57 * mikegrb doesn't keep cash 23:57 < tjfontaine> king takes credit in SC? 23:57 < mikegrb> well the one nearby 23:57 * tjfontaine is still waiting for fast food to update round here 23:57 < tjfontaine> arby's is the only thing taht accepts it yet 23:57 < mikegrb> McD's does 23:58 < tjfontaine> MCD is supposed to have all resturaunts by mid 2004 or early 2005 23:58 < mikegrb> were going to try to make it to bk, if all else fails atm -> wendy's 23:58 < mikegrb> be back soon 23:58 < tjfontaine> talk to you in the morning 23:58 < tjfontaine> sleep time 23:59 < mikegrb> gn 00:33 < mikegrb> caker you still around? 00:34 < caker> yeah 00:34 < caker> I decided to leave the portage directory .. image is now 720 instead of 780 though .. 00:35 < mikegrb> well still better 00:35 < mikegrb> here is a bit of context for tj and my bitcing: 00:35 < caker> get to bk? 00:35 < caker> ok 00:35 < mikegrb> sorry, for this now. 00:35 < mikegrb> and i will not comment why. 00:35 < mikegrb> patch not accepted. 00:35 < mikegrb> there are resons why this had been done this way. 00:35 < mikegrb> you can ask the gcc people, they will tell you the same. 00:37 < caker> heh 00:37 < caker> This guy is a pita, but can't you guys manipulate him into doing what you want anyway? 00:37 < caker> s/can't/can/ 00:37 < mikegrb> all this was was a patch to the make system 00:37 < mikegrb> the way stuff was implemented every make will rebuild the entire bios 00:37 < mikegrb> this person went through and rewrote all the makefiles to be 'propper' 00:38 < mikegrb> heh no 00:39 < mikegrb> lots of people have requested features even offered patches and even when the consensus is that it would be a good thing he says no 00:39 < mikegrb> he refuses to listen to anyone but himself 00:39 < mikegrb> one sec lemme find a url for you 00:39 < mikegrb> this will paint a much more vivid picture 00:39 < caker> where are you typing from? 00:40 < caker> weird lag 00:40 < caker> :) 00:40 < mikegrb> people without knowlege of development status shouldnever try to make 00:40 < mikegrb> "patches" or anything you need. 00:40 < mikegrb> you can download the binary from the download sections, tehy are 00:40 < mikegrb> verified to work. 00:41 < mikegrb> that's another email 00:41 < mikegrb> I'm typing from the living room 00:41 < mikegrb> ;) 00:41 < mikegrb> charleston 00:41 < caker> hmm ok 00:41 < mikegrb> proxied through irssi on the linode 00:41 < mikegrb> but I'm in another channel having a discussion too 00:41 < caker> but people on the devel team are different, right? 00:41 < caker> ahh 00:41 < mikegrb> that email right there started things off most recently 00:42 < mikegrb> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.xbox.devel/6668 00:42 < mikegrb> that is tj's response 00:43 < mikegrb> next in thread will get franz very ummm arogant? reply 00:45 < mikegrb> hopefully this mandrake cd I just burned will be readable by heidi's laptop, it wouldn't read the last one for some reason 00:46 < mikegrb> her laptop has win 95 and the stupid linksys win 95 driver for the wifi card is not compatible with win95?!?!? 00:53 < Artifex> tjfontaine or Artifex might have suggestions for distributions 00:53 * Artifex is back (gone 04:27:53) 00:53 < Artifex> how about a tool to assist the user in LFS+UML.... 00:53 < Artifex> :-D 00:53 < Artifex> roll your own. 00:53 * caker deploys the updated Gentoo fs 00:55 < caker> wonder how hard it would be to convert SuSE's live cd 00:55 < caker> via loop-mount 00:55 < caker> mikegrb: that's an ugly thread 00:56 < Artifex> caker: the franz vs. the world thread? 00:56 < caker> yes 00:56 < Artifex> heh 00:56 < Artifex> yeah 00:56 < Artifex> he's whacked. 00:56 < Artifex> egotistical, and over-protective of an open and PUBLIC project, that he doesnt (subconciously) accept isn't HIS baby 00:56 < caker> I say take him for all he's worth 00:57 < caker> but that's just the manipulative mind in me 00:57 < Artifex> he is pretty brilliant, in some ways... you have to give him that 00:57 < Artifex> i've seen things he has in his personal cromwell tree that are mindblowing 00:57 < caker> How old is this kid? 00:57 < Artifex> erm, 28 iirc 00:57 < Artifex> i could be way off, tho 00:57 < caker> hmm 00:57 < caker> sounds too old to still be a prima-donna 00:58 < caker> but you never know 01:12 < mikegrb> heh 01:15 < mikegrb> I created 50 megs of new files/logs but deleted 70 megs today :) 01:54 < mikegrb> somebody named caker is browsing the forums ;) 01:54 < caker> hehe, u2 01:54 < mikegrb> yha 01:55 < mikegrb> just posted re apache 01:55 < caker> saw that 01:55 < mikegrb> too lazy to look stuff up in the docs at 2am 01:55 < mikegrb> the franz plot thickens 01:56 < mikegrb> the guy who wrote the makefile patch just sent a great email to the list abt why his patch shuold be accepted 01:56 < mikegrb> also said he would accept it not being included but not without a reason 01:59 < mikegrb> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.xbox.devel/6685 just showed up on gmame, here it is if your interested.... kind of like reading a soap opera 01:59 < mikegrb> you should subscribe to the dev list just for the entertainment value 01:59 < mikegrb> well written post though I thought 02:00 * Artifex should just go in and start adding shit to cromwell 02:00 < Artifex> JUST to piss franz off 02:00 < Artifex> lol 02:01 < mikegrb> I thought about it 02:01 < Artifex> do things he's said were impossible... 02:01 < Artifex> do things he's done but not put into the official tree... 02:01 < mikegrb> I made some changes to make it compile with gcc 3.2 02:01 < mikegrb> heh 02:01 < mikegrb> indeed 02:01 < mikegrb> would be funny 02:02 < Artifex> do things he's always wanted to/talked about... but never gotten around to 02:02 < Artifex> lol 02:02 < mikegrb> heh 02:02 < mikegrb> that would really piss him off 02:02 < mikegrb> he'd call you a motherfucker like tj 02:02 < Artifex> and then, for the coup detat... 02:02 < Artifex> re-write the whole thing because 'his was unstable' and drive him away from the project and into seclusion 02:03 < mikegrb> :) 02:03 < mikegrb> lol 02:04 < Artifex> that reminds me 02:04 < Artifex> i've found a few problems in xbeboot lately. 02:04 < Artifex> i may go fixing 02:04 < Artifex> and improving 02:04 < mikegrb> :) 02:04 < Artifex> will wait till after the 1.4/1.5 stuff is done, tho 02:04 < Artifex> which reminds me i need to code that tool for ed tomorrow 02:04 < Artifex> sheesh.... busy busy busy 02:05 < Artifex> too many projects at once, right now. 02:05 < mikegrb> caker: for your benifit xbeboot is similiar to cromwell (cromwell is the linux bios) xbeboot is a linux bootloader that doesn't get flashed to memory 02:05 < Artifex> it's sort of.... 02:05 < mikegrb> tool for the focus stuff? 02:05 < Artifex> like, loadlin 02:05 < Artifex> for the xbox 02:05 < Artifex> heh 02:05 < mikegrb> heh yes 02:06 < mikegrb> great way to describe it 02:06 < Artifex> yeah, focus stuff 02:06 < mikegrb> haven't heard loadlin mentioned in a good oh 8 years 02:06 < mikegrb> heh #linode is a new #xbox-linux-devel2 02:06 < Artifex> mikegrb: and people always seem to doubt that i really am old-school. ;-) 02:06 < mikegrb> heh 02:06 < mikegrb> well we have confirmed each other 02:07 < mikegrb> gpg web of trust like 02:07 < mikegrb> :) 02:07 < Artifex> lol 02:07 < Artifex> i remember my first linux install 02:07 < Artifex> was slackware 02:07 < mikegrb> my first was slackware 02:07 < mikegrb> heh 02:07 < mikegrb> lol 02:07 < Artifex> yeah man 02:07 < mikegrb> talk about backward 02:07 < Artifex> shortly after, umsdos came about :-D 02:07 < Artifex> i was like 02:08 < Artifex> WHOA 02:08 < mikegrb> heh 02:08 < mikegrb> I think mine was the same way, I don't remember for sure 02:08 < Artifex> then slackware became all geared towards umsdos 02:08 < mikegrb> I know my first attempt was a 286, maybe 386 laptop 02:08 < Artifex> and then umsdos started pissing me off 02:08 < mikegrb> didn't work out too well 02:09 < mikegrb> I worked at an ISP on days with no school back in 6th and 7th grade 02:09 < Artifex> erm, well, it wasnt a 286... 02:09 < Artifex> heh 02:09 < mikegrb> well bah 02:09 < mikegrb> heh 02:09 * Artifex lowers your trust level on the 'understanding x86 architechture' sub-key 02:09 < mikegrb> people would come in when the two guys were downstairs getting launch, see me and my friend and be like, wow this is my kind of place 02:10 < mikegrb> bah! 02:10 < Artifex> (286 lacks the protected mode support required for context-protected operating systems such as linux) 02:11 < mikegrb> got to fix sillt stuff like a user stopping by b/c he couldn't modify his webpages (which had been restored from backup) he was impressed I was able to fix the problem... the files were all owned by root 02:11 < mikegrb> yes 02:11 < mikegrb> I understand 02:11 < Artifex> but, then again, there is elks 02:11 < Artifex> go figure 02:11 < mikegrb> it may have been a 286 though 02:11 < mikegrb> that might have been the problem 02:11 < Artifex> lol 02:11 < mikegrb> though I think it was a 386 and the problem had something to do with the backlight turning off 02:11 < Artifex> elks is fun 02:11 < mikegrb> it was sooo long ago 02:12 < mikegrb> I was I guess 12 back then 02:12 < Artifex> i used to run elks under bochs on my ce palmtop in highschool 02:12 < Artifex> casio cassiopeia 02:12 < mikegrb> 9 years ago 02:12 < mikegrb> heh 02:13 < Artifex> anyways, i'm rambling now, so, im off to bed 02:13 < Artifex> night 02:13 < mikegrb> I ran tetris on my ti-86 heh 02:13 < mikegrb> night 02:13 < mikegrb> I need to do likewise 02:13 < Artifex> i had a ti-92 02:13 < Artifex> :-P 02:13 < mikegrb> heh 02:13 < mikegrb> bastard 02:13 < Artifex> that thing was a beast of a calculator 02:14 < mikegrb> yes 02:14 < mikegrb> I believe the software itself was the same as the 86 other then the geometric proofs and the like 02:14 < mikegrb> man /that/ would have made school nice 02:15 < Artifex> similar, yes 02:15 < Artifex> there were some major differences 02:15 < Artifex> ANYWAYS 02:15 < mikegrb> the asm stuff was nice 02:15 < Artifex> need sleep 02:15 < Artifex> now 02:15 < mikegrb> heh like the kbd 02:15 < mikegrb> heh yes 02:15 < mikegrb> night 02:15 < Artifex> night 02:15 < Artifex> :-) 02:17 < caker> Anyone remember infomagic? 02:54 < guinea-sleep> guten tag! 02:55 -!- guinea-sleep is now known as guinea-pig 03:02 < caker> excellent .. host7 didn't even flinch during the Linode's cron time 03:05 < guinea-pig> yaaay 04:01 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has joined #linode 04:01 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 05:37 < sunny> mornin' folks' 06:00 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12hdtlh.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: pop] 07:41 -!- Artifex [~Arti@65.25.115.230] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:21 -!- adamgent2 [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has joined #linode 08:21 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:21 -!- adamgent2 is now known as adamgent 08:21 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 08:33 < mikegrb> morning 08:34 < adamgent> morning 08:35 < mikegrb> only 3 64's left 09:08 < mikegrb> silly phpbb telling me there are no unread posts 09:47 -!- rjg76 [~rjg@207.36.81.15] has joined #linode 09:47 < mikegrb> hello 09:47 -!- rjg76 [~rjg@207.36.81.15] has left #linode [] 09:48 < mikegrb> goodbye 09:58 -!- Phonepiks [Phonepiks@212.159.89.184] has joined #linode 10:01 < adamgent> hi 10:01 < Phonepiks> Hi Adam 10:21 < mikegrb> hello 10:21 < Phonepiks> Afternoon 10:42 * adamgent waits for west wing to arrive on his computer 10:45 < Phonepiks> Tut! Scandalous 10:45 < adamgent> it is not my fault that we are 6 mnths behind over here 10:45 < Phonepiks> hehe 10:46 < adamgent> beside I buy them on dvd when it comes out so.. 10:47 < mikegrb> heh 10:48 < Phonepiks> LOL 10:53 -!- sunny [~sunny@128.238.241.241] has joined #linode 11:07 -!- cilamas [~stbe@148.100.209.137] has joined #linode 11:08 -!- cilamas is now known as jax-work 11:09 < adamgent> hi sunny, jax 11:09 < jax-work> hello 11:24 -!- Elendil [~Elendil@65.162.28.134] has joined #linode 11:25 -!- Elendil [~Elendil@65.162.28.134] has left #linode [] 12:27 * jax-work is away: lunch 12:28 * adamgent thinks about buying a bottle of krug 12:28 < Phonepiks> Celebrating Adam? 12:29 < adamgent> not yet 12:29 < adamgent> i have a couple of bottles of lanson's lying around for now 12:29 < Phonepiks> Hmm, ok 12:33 < caker> Hello 12:33 < Phonepiks> Morning 12:34 < caker> ah 2.4.23-pre9 is out 12:50 < adamgent> hi 12:52 < caker> Hey Adam, how's it going? 12:52 < adamgent> fine, yourself 12:52 < caker> swell 12:53 < caker> the president of the Perl Foundation is speaking at our local LUG this evening... 12:53 < adamgent> you going to attend 12:53 < caker> I doubt it :) .. I just lurk on the mailing list 12:53 < caker> But I used to work w/ the guy who started the LUG 12:53 < caker> which is quite large, despite being Nashville :) 12:58 < sunny> thats pretty cool 12:59 < sunny> our LUG sux0rz 12:59 * mikegrb wishes there would be a LUG where he lived 12:59 < sunny> all these important people come ... and we do have a really nice location to meet (IBM's new york head quaters) ... but all of our bloody LUG meetings are about some guy presenting some software we'll never use (stuff that costs 6 digits) 13:03 < mikegrb> heh 13:03 < mikegrb> that does indeed sux0rz 13:05 < caker> I gave up on my LUG after asking about poor performance w/ I/O schedular (seeing a theme, here?) and they told me to turn on DMA... duh! 13:05 < caker> that was about 6 mo ago 13:06 < adamgent> just found a 25,000 burgendy 13:06 < caker> Where? 13:07 < mikegrb> gosh caker, that sucks, any fool knows you should turn on dma AND 32bit io 13:07 < adamgent> its a Dm. Magnum which is 300cl 13:07 < mikegrb> ;) 13:08 < adamgent> only botteled in 1990 13:11 < adamgent> oh well thats enough of looking for alchol 13:11 < Phonepiks> that's an expensive hangover 13:21 * jax-work is back (gone 00:53:53) 13:50 -!- dvl69stn [~dvl666stn@62.53.42.35] has joined #linode 13:51 -!- dvl69stn is now known as dvl666stn 13:56 < adamgent> hi 13:56 < jax-work> hello 14:04 < mikegrb> hello 14:09 -!- Phonepiks [Phonepiks@212.159.89.184] has quit [Quit: Tata] 14:16 < tjfontaine> you say hello 14:16 < tjfontaine> and I say good bye 14:17 < Efudd> hrm 14:18 < tjfontaine> ist better than a bad bye 14:25 -!- dvl666stn [~dvl666stn@62.53.42.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 485 seconds] 14:45 -!- dvl666stn [~dvl666stn@62.53.42.124] has joined #linode 14:59 < caker> dvl666stn: hello Mike 15:00 < adamgent> ji 15:01 < adamgent> hi even 15:02 -!- sunny [~sunny@128.238.241.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 485 seconds] 15:06 < dvl666stn> hey there caker 15:06 < dvl666stn> hows things ? 15:06 < caker> Pretty good, yourself? :) 15:07 < dvl666stn> its all good here aswell :) just showered thinking of an early night, also signing up before i do. 15:07 < caker> excellent 15:08 * tjfontaine hopes that an article he writes get's slashdotted 15:15 < mikegrb> to test? 15:16 < tjfontaine> no just in general, its such an important topic 15:16 < tjfontaine> you could read that link in lynx/links you know its only text :-) 15:17 < mikegrb> I'm getting ready to pull it up 15:17 < mikegrb> things have settled down a bit 15:18 < tjfontaine> good good 15:18 < tjfontaine> I've made lots of changes since so :-) 15:19 < tjfontaine> http://tjfontaine.clemlumber.net/~tjfontaine/xbox-linux.html for anyone else who may be interested 15:22 < caker> clem lumber? 15:22 < tjfontaine> yup 15:22 * mikegrb ehispers to caker, "front for drug smuggling and money laundering... tj is at it's core" 15:22 < mikegrb> er 15:22 < caker> nice 15:24 * Efudd passes out RC Cola 15:24 < mikegrb> thanks 15:24 * caker slams the entire thing 15:25 < Efudd> np. 15:25 * Efudd passes out Goody's headache powder also 15:27 * mikegrb has found those excedrin quick tabs do wonders for migraines 15:27 < mikegrb> light migraines anyway 15:27 < tjfontaine> not for full blown ones though 15:29 < Efudd> I find the powdered stuff, ala BC && Goodies, works very fast on all but the worst headaches.. it's just difficult to take. 15:30 < tjfontaine> my amidrine is good for hard headaches and light migranes, its not as powerful on migranes as imitrex, but is a close cousin to morphine... and therefore a controlled substance 15:30 < mikegrb> you all may now reach me at mgreb@oftc.net =D 15:30 < mikegrb> heh 15:30 < tjfontaine> heh 15:32 < mikegrb> tjfontaine: looks good, wouldn't hurt to add more stuff, just not sure exactly what to elaborate on 15:32 < tjfontaine> znarks playin devils advocate for me 15:32 < mikegrb> don't have much constuctive criticism other then that 15:33 < mikegrb> !spell ctiricism 15:33 * mikegrb misses xbox-logger 15:33 * caker spits on UML_ChanLog 15:33 * tjfontaine sprinkles google api on UML_ChanLog 15:33 < Efudd> mmm google 15:35 < Efudd> Life is difficult. Trying to balance the correct amount of nicotine and caffeine in my body each day to maintain equilibrium. 15:36 < adamgent> prefer alcohol to nicotine 15:38 < Efudd> Mmmm. 15:38 < Efudd> I didn't start smoking cigs until i stopped pot. 15:38 < Efudd> pot is a gateway drug ! 15:39 < adamgent> and a good single malt is always a good way to finish off the day 15:39 < Efudd> hmm oh yes. hush before i go to the bar. need to debug this code 15:40 < Efudd> "A wise Sysadmin is a inebriated Sysadmin." 15:40 < caker> hmm the Alcoholic Sys Admin from Hell 15:41 < mikegrb> heh 15:42 < Efudd> printf("hax0red to [%s]\n",RetBuf1); 15:42 < Efudd> mm hax0red in code. heh. 15:44 < mikegrb> http://www.dotfiles.com/files/3/341_bastard.txt 15:44 < caker> NICE 15:45 < caker> The Matrix has you! 15:45 < caker> hahaha 15:46 < Efudd> I just bought my tickets. 15:46 < caker> Yeah 15:46 < caker> Nov 11th? 15:46 < Efudd> 5th ? 15:46 < caker> k 15:46 < caker> that sounds right 15:46 < Efudd> yeah. 5th. next wednesday. 15:46 * tjfontaine forgot! amd goes to preorder 15:47 < caker> We've got the largest movie theater "east of the mississippi" here in Nashville 15:47 < caker> when Star Wars came out 15:47 < caker> people were literally around the building in line 15:47 < tjfontaine> ya ya, biggest eh? 15:47 < tjfontaine> ;-) 15:47 < caker> I walked up, went inside, used the Kiosk and bought about 12 tickets, and walked out in about 3 minutes 15:47 < caker> fools 15:48 < tjfontaine> heh 15:48 < caker> I thought I was going to get mobbed on the way out 15:48 < Efudd> Hmm... I wonder if GetPrivateProfileString() in the WINAPI is non case sensitive. 15:49 < Efudd> hrm. doesn't matter. my implementation isn't. 15:50 < mikegrb> http://www.dotfiles.com/files/3/323_tmp.txt <- another BOFH .bashrc 15:51 < caker> I think I'm going to make all the distro's /etc/issue contain "The Matrix has you..." 15:51 < mikegrb> heh 15:51 < mikegrb> good idea 15:51 < Efudd> i'll ssh localhost and hax0r you! 15:51 < Efudd> I saw it in the movie, I can do it IRL! 15:51 < mikegrb> heh 15:51 * Efudd nmaps 15:51 < mikegrb> I found a lot of software for free dl 15:51 < mikegrb> ftp://127.0.0.1 15:52 < tjfontaine> who here is a hardcore C coder? 15:52 * Efudd prefers ftp://warez.texas.net 15:52 < Efudd> tjf, <-hacker, not coder, but perhaps I can help? 15:52 < tjfontaine> heh 15:52 < tjfontaine> I need you to look at some code 15:52 * Efudd runs away screaming 15:52 < tjfontaine> and tell me if its unreasonably messy 15:53 < Efudd> Lol.. sure. 15:53 < tjfontaine> sf.net down again 15:54 < mikegrb> yha they have lots of softwarez too 15:54 < tjfontaine> sf.net cvs :/cvsroot/xbox-linux co cromwell 15:54 < mikegrb> heh 15:54 < adamgent> it was down for maint yesterday i think 15:54 * mikegrb can tell you right now 15:54 < Efudd> I gotta emerge cvs... 15:54 < tjfontaine> thanks 15:55 * Efudd got bitched at for using a continue; yesterday :/ 15:57 < Efudd> socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_IP) = 3 15:57 < Efudd> connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(139), sin_addr=inet_addr("10.73.104.2")}, 16 15:57 < Efudd> This looks promising. First time my win32->linux port has done sompn :) 15:57 < caker> wait, who was working on the secret project again? 15:57 < mikegrb> time to go home :) 15:57 * caker looks at Efudd 15:57 < Efudd> Can't tell you. 15:58 * Efudd raises the "NOT ME" flag 15:58 < Efudd> mmm i've got swapped processes on my linode :/ 16:00 < caker> I think I have a wasp problem in my apt .. killed another one this afternoon 16:30 < mikegrb> :/ 16:30 < mikegrb> gotta kill them all 16:45 < Efudd> mm just got 7 new dual proc Xeon's to play with ! 16:46 * caker is ordering machines atm, too 16:46 < mikegrb> :) 16:46 < mikegrb> yes 16:46 < mikegrb> caker needs 'um 16:46 < Efudd> heh :) 16:47 < caker> although 1.8TB would make a nice backup server 16:47 < Efudd> lol... =) 16:47 < Efudd> gimme 10Mbit/mo of bandwidth. :) 16:48 < caker> we don't need it that bad :) 16:48 < Efudd> lol :) 16:48 < Efudd> friend of mine has 1.8TB in *just* Startrek DVDs for his mythTV server 16:49 < caker> I know people like that .. entire Simpsons and .. what's the show with Cramer? 16:49 < guinea-pig> seinfeld 16:49 < caker> yeah 16:49 < guinea-pig> and the soup nazi 16:50 < Efudd> i'd like seinfeld.. 16:50 < guinea-pig> i was a bad boy today. bought 2 160G drives, a geforce fx, a cdrw/dvd drive... 16:51 < Efudd> nice :) 16:51 < caker> someone throw me another 1U server maker site 16:51 < caker> anyone recommend? 16:51 < guinea-pig> i-make-systems-in-my-garage.com 16:51 < caker> hehe 16:51 < guinea-pig> sorry, never dealt with rach systems 16:52 < guinea-pig> rack, even 16:52 < caker> ok 16:52 -!- mikegrb [me@mikegrb.sponsor.oftc.net] has left #linode [] 16:52 -!- mikegrb [me@mikegrb.sponsor.oftc.net] has joined #linode 16:52 -!- mode/#linode [+o mikegrb] by ChanServ 16:52 < mikegrb> :) 16:52 * mikegrb got nifty hostmask 16:52 < guinea-pig> ooh aah 16:53 -!- Efudd [~jason@li2-172.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53 -!- Efudd [~jason@forever.broked.net] has joined #linode 16:53 < Efudd> ah 16:53 < Efudd> there's my hostmask. 16:53 < mikegrb> heh 16:53 < guinea-pig> mikegrb: orion is the linode hosted oftc server, right? 16:53 < mikegrb> yes 16:54 < mikegrb> it has no orion.oftc.net dns b/c it is a hub, you can connect to it at orion.thegrebs.com though 16:54 < guinea-pig> i'm guessing this because of the cname mikegrb1.rev->orion 16:54 < guinea-pig> ahh 16:54 < mikegrb> heh 17:04 -!- jax-work [~stbe@148.100.209.137] has quit [Quit: going home] 17:20 -!- Quik [Quik@refl3x.com] has joined #linode 17:21 < Quik> lo :) 17:21 < caker> Hello Quik 17:21 < mikegrb> hello 17:21 < Quik> thought i'd come check out the irc chan :) 17:22 < tjfontaine> welcome to the wonderful world of 17:23 < Quik> .. :P 17:24 < caker> I wonder well SATA works in linux 2.4 17:24 < tjfontaine> ^ how 17:24 < caker> yeah 17:24 < caker> how well :) 17:24 < tjfontaine> heh 17:24 < tjfontaine> if you find out lemme know :-) 17:24 * Quik nods along with the technical talk 17:25 < caker> I think I'll stick to what I know works 17:25 < tjfontaine> wheres the fun in that? 17:25 < caker> Ok, I'll move your Linode over to test it, eh? 17:25 < tjfontaine> sure 17:25 < caker> bah 17:26 < tjfontaine> as long as I'm not penalized for downtime and not using bandiwdth :-) 17:26 < mikegrb> heh 17:26 < caker> prices are double for access to experimental hardware 17:26 < tjfontaine> HAH! 17:26 * tjfontaine goes to get his money back :-) 17:26 < caker> :-p 17:27 < caker> Ultra fast-wide SATA 9000 17:27 < tjfontaine> ok, I never used to get into this whole customize the hell out of your desktop thing with transparency and icons.... 17:27 < caker> Right 17:27 < tjfontaine> but I know see the fun in it 17:27 < tjfontaine> I"m so much more comfortable heh 17:27 < Quik> that reminds me, how come we haven't had a billing notice yet? 17:27 < Quik> i always look forward to mine 17:28 < caker> Me too; I set it up to run on the morning of the last day of the month 17:28 < caker> ... so tomorrow morning 17:28 < Quik> heh, i'm sure ya do ;) 17:28 < tjfontaine> heh 17:29 < Quik> i thought you did it about a week beforehand, probably getting mixed up with something else 17:29 < caker> No, you are correct 17:29 < caker> People suggested I move it later 17:29 < Quik> ah ok 17:29 < Quik> it's great you actually listen to your customers 17:29 < caker> what? 17:29 < caker> j/k :) 17:29 < Quik> reverse dns = fantastic 17:29 < caker> Cool 17:29 < Quik> :P 17:31 < caker> tjfontaine: whats the name of the widget that displays all sorts of sys info? 17:31 < caker> gkremmlin or something 17:32 < tjfontaine> gkrellm 17:32 < shakr> caker: is it possible to do reverse dns delegation? 17:32 < caker> yeah -- its pretty trick 17:32 < caker> shakr: it is possible, but I don't do it often 17:32 < mikegrb> heh 17:33 < mikegrb> special cases? ;) 17:33 < caker> yup 17:33 < shakr> with the cpanel feature now i woulndt really need it but it'd be handy :) 17:37 < Quik> i actually came in here to say something useful 17:37 < Quik> can't remember for the life of me what it was 17:38 < mikegrb> heh 17:38 < mikegrb> got too caught up in the excitement of it all 17:38 < Quik> i guess so :) 17:38 < tjfontaine> we're damn exciting in here 17:38 < tjfontaine> lemme tell you 17:39 < Quik> i couldn't believe it when i came in 17:39 < Quik> just overwhelmed :D 17:39 < tjfontaine> I could tell by your irratic typing 17:39 < Quik> irratic? 17:39 < Quik> heh 17:39 < tjfontaine> :-) 17:39 < tjfontaine> time for me to depart, catch you all from home 17:39 < tjfontaine> laters 17:40 < Quik> cya mate 18:04 < Quik> anyone know how to link up two chans on different networks? 18:05 < tjfontaine> 2 eggdrop bots can do that 18:05 < Quik> is it easy to do? 18:05 < tjfontaine> or you could code it up yourself fairly painlessly 18:05 * Quik isn't a coder ;) 18:05 < tjfontaine> chose your poison really 18:05 < tjfontaine> I've a bot written in php 18:05 < tjfontaine> do you know php? 18:05 < tjfontaine> thats how easy it is 18:06 < Quik> nop 18:06 < Quik> might google it actually 18:06 < tjfontaine> php is webscripting language 18:06 < tjfontaine> primarily anyway 18:06 < tjfontaine> you could also do it in perl 18:06 < tjfontaine> and most likely bash as well, though I wouldn't want to be the one to do it 18:07 < tjfontaine> brb 18:07 < Quik> ok 18:10 < caker> new machine is ordered :) 18:11 < caker> I did a 4GB ram this time 18:11 < caker> just for some new flavor 18:12 < Quik> :o 18:12 < caker> Quik: what two channels did you want to combine? 18:12 < Quik> what typa linode is this one gonna be running? 18:12 < caker> I'm not sure yet .. I've been pondering the idea of a Linode 96 plan ... 18:12 < Quik> #linode on quakenet and in here 18:12 < caker> ahh 18:13 < Quik> 94 would be popular indeed 18:13 < Quik> i was stuck between 64 and 128 when i joined 18:13 < Quik> 96 even :/ 18:13 < caker> Exactly 18:13 < caker> There's an entire crowd of "I don't want the bottom one, but double everything is too much" 18:14 < Quik> people often have the idea in their head that the cheapest plan sucks too, so you can get out of it :) 18:14 < Quik> yeah 18:14 < caker> right 18:14 < caker> heh 18:14 < Quik> you mind if i look into the channel linking? 18:14 < caker> No, sounds good 18:14 < Quik> kk 18:16 < caker> Quik: http://www.eggheads.org/support/egghtml/1.6.13/botnet.html 18:17 < Quik> looks handy, thanks 18:28 -!- dvl666stn [~dvl666stn@62.53.42.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 485 seconds] 18:32 < mikegrb> caker you know the propper people so I shall bring this to your attention: 18:33 < mikegrb> This is known to work as is on 8.0 kernels. I believe it requires 18:33 < mikegrb> adding a few symbols to the syms file for Redhat 7.3. If you don't 18:33 < mikegrb> have those, then read the backgound and porting sections further below. 18:33 < mikegrb> * ElectricElf gags 18:33 < mikegrb> It's a totally non-RedHat-specific kernel module too. 18:33 < mikegrb> what is that from? 18:33 < mikegrb> mikegrb: The UML SKAS patch in modulified form. 18:37 < mikegrb> that was from kernels.usermodelinux.org/host 18:37 < mikegrb> I don't know it that site is an official site or what it's relation to the project it 18:37 < mikegrb> er is 18:43 -!- dvl666stn [~dvl666stn@62.53.42.112] has joined #linode 18:44 < adamgent> hi 18:45 < mikegrb> hello 18:53 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:53 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has joined #linode 18:53 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 18:54 < adamgent> damm 18:54 < mikegrb> indeed 18:54 < adamgent> and all i did was plug in a network cable 18:54 < mikegrb> heh 18:55 < adamgent> i didnt expect it to wreck the wireless card 18:55 < adamgent> it hasnt in the past 18:56 < mikegrb> heh 18:59 < adamgent> god damm windows 19:00 < mikegrb> ahhh 19:00 < mikegrb> make sense now 19:00 < mikegrb> I've done that tranission in windows before 19:00 < mikegrb> was nice to have continuity of connection 19:07 < caker> mikegrb: yeah, i usually spread the word about the skas(3)-as-a-module 19:08 < caker> How do you know EE? 19:08 < caker> He hangs in #uml 19:08 < tjfontaine> electric elf? 19:08 < mikegrb> caker: whois me :) 19:09 < mikegrb> oh those channels are hidden 19:09 < tjfontaine> lol 19:09 < mikegrb> anyway he brought this up in #oftc-staff 19:09 * mikegrb bops tjfontaine on the head 19:09 < tjfontaine> until very very recently no channels were secret on oftc 19:10 < caker> ahh 19:10 < mikegrb> he setup orion 19:10 < caker> Ahh 19:10 < caker> He's another one that get's me laughing (sarcasim) in #uml 19:11 < mikegrb> heh 19:11 < mikegrb> he's a great guy 19:11 < mikegrb> tjfontaine: yha there is a +p private +s secret 19:12 < mikegrb> +s doesn't even show up in whois unless the person is in the chan too 19:12 -!- dvl666stn [~dvl666stn@62.53.42.112] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12 < mikegrb> plus those channels have keys 19:12 < tjfontaine> mikegrb: trust me when I say this, +s and +p did nothing until recent server restarts 19:12 < mikegrb> oh no biggie 19:12 < mikegrb> I don't take issue with that 19:13 < mikegrb> was just elaborating 19:16 < tjfontaine> yup yup 19:16 * mikegrb contemplates doing something 19:16 < mikegrb> hmm 19:17 * mikegrb decides he doesn't feel like doing anything 19:20 -!- guinea-pig is now known as guinea-sleep 19:21 * mikegrb decides to take a nap instead 19:21 < guinea-sleep> heh 19:27 -!- Artifex [~Arti@65.25.115.230] has joined #linode 19:27 < Artifex> hi 19:27 < Artifex> what are the ramifications of resizing a disk image? 19:27 < Artifex> (while the installed distro is running, heh) 19:29 < Quik> *bang* 19:29 < Quik> :) 19:29 < caker> it won't let you 19:29 < caker> but you can shutdown, resize (up only, atm), and reboot .. 19:29 < Artifex> hrmm 19:29 < Artifex> k 19:30 < Artifex> you know what would be a nice addition to uml? 19:30 < caker> if you resize a swap partition, you've got to unmount it and mkswap it again 19:30 < Artifex> perhaps it exists already, but... 19:30 < Artifex> state-suspension 19:30 < caker> yeah 19:30 -!- tytyty [~tytyty@ppp570.broadband01.tus.dakotacom.net] has joined #linode 19:30 < caker> software suspend needs to be ported into UML 19:31 < Artifex> if i wernt on 7 different projects right now, i'd look into it 19:31 < caker> Then I could freeze a Linode, move it to another host, and load it back up 19:31 < caker> swsp sounds tricky 19:32 < Artifex> indeed 19:32 < Artifex> but im a sucker for a nice low-level challange 19:33 < caker> hmm 19:34 -!- paulproteus [foobar@128.220.38.127] has joined #linode 19:34 < Artifex> paulproteus! 19:34 < Artifex> hello! 19:34 < paulproteus> Sssshhhh. 19:34 * paulproteus whispers, "I'm just here to eavesdrop." 19:35 < paulproteus> Stop looking at me like that! 19:35 < caker> that guy paul is a ... 19:35 < caker> oops 19:35 * Artifex nudges caker and whispers (how's that referal program coming?) 19:35 * tjfontaine closes eye... 19:35 < tjfontaine> heh 19:35 * Artifex claims dibs on p.p. 19:36 < tjfontaine> I claim dibs on you 19:36 < Artifex> too late, i'm already signed up 19:36 < tjfontaine> mike gets a piece of us all then 19:36 < tjfontaine> its retro active 19:36 < Artifex> lol 19:36 < tjfontaine> ;-) 19:37 < Artifex> haha, i just spent an hour recoding large portions of xbeboot... got all excited to test... it failed... 19:37 < Artifex> spent 20 minutes digging thru the code i'd changed 19:37 < Artifex> here it turns out i left a die() somewhere earlier in the code, for testing purposes last night 19:37 < tjfontaine> lol 19:38 < Artifex> i was getting so frustrated i was starting to growl 19:38 < Artifex> because it just didnt make ANY SENSE the way it was failing 19:38 < Artifex> hehe 19:38 < tjfontaine> I don't like it wheny ou do that 19:38 < tjfontaine> it scares me 19:38 < Artifex> grrr 19:39 * tjfontaine runs and hides 19:39 * tjfontaine whimpers 19:39 < Artifex> ok, well, even with the die() removed it fails, but in a much less confusing way this time, heh 19:40 < caker> Another satisfied customer 19:40 < caker> I need to think more about a good referral setup 19:40 < Artifex> i'm telling you... MLM... 19:40 < caker> heh 19:41 < Artifex> i can teach you the secrets... 19:41 < tjfontaine> hiss pyramid schemes 19:41 < Artifex> floating payout percentages, upline bv skips, pinpoint seeding.... 19:42 < caker> geesh 19:42 < Artifex> tjfontaine: you know one of the things we do at the place you're interviewing tomorrow is write and maintain an MLM package..... :-| 19:42 < caker> all in one cgi script 19:42 < tjfontaine> Artifex: yes :-) 19:42 < Artifex> HEH, k, just making sure you realized that. :-) 19:42 < Artifex> oh, and... 19:43 < Artifex> i'm sure this'll be explained to you 19:43 < Artifex> but 19:43 < Artifex> anytime you refer to it as a pyramid or a ponzi scheme 19:43 < Artifex> you owe the spam can a dollar 19:43 < Artifex> other dollar offenses: 19:43 < tjfontaine> heh 19:44 < Artifex> "that cant be done," "thats too hard," "thats not my job," and the word "whatever" :-) 19:44 < tjfontaine> whatev... 19:44 < Artifex> lol 19:44 < tjfontaine> I'll make a whole new slang :-) 19:45 -!- sunny [~sunny@69.22.246.177] has joined #linode 19:46 < Artifex> brb 19:48 < Quik> nn peeps :) 19:51 -!- Quik is now known as quik 20:20 < adamgent> oh well it is getting late here so it is time for me to sleep 20:41 -!- moomoocow [~moomoocow@host81-132-232-221.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #linode 20:42 < moomoocow> People 20:42 < moomoocow> Hey 20:42 < caker> Hello moomoocow 20:42 < moomoocow> Hello, Caker 20:44 -!- moomoocow [~moomoocow@host81-132-232-221.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)] 21:08 < mikegrb> caker: I had something to tell you let me think what it was 21:08 < mikegrb> oh 21:08 < mikegrb> 2 things 21:08 < caker> ok 21:09 < mikegrb> thing 1, that stuff I pasted up there... what I was referring to was the text about it working for kernel version 8 (refering to rh8) it should say the actual kernel version since it isn't red hat specific 21:10 < mikegrb> thing 2 the problematic customer you had and so many mysql connections 21:10 < mikegrb> in php using open/connect whatever it is you have to use popen or pconnect, put a p at the beginning to use persistant connections 21:10 < caker> #1: mod_skas was written by Roger Binns, he has a site someplace, but mod_skas isn't maintained 21:11 < caker> #1: David Coulson (who runs *.usermodelinux.org) just has it up there as a mirror 21:11 < caker> ahh 21:11 < caker> I was going to ask those in the php know 21:11 < caker> about persistant connections 21:11 < caker> Thanks 21:11 < mikegrb> heh np 21:12 < mikegrb> then it will use an existing connection if one with the same parameters to the function were used 21:12 < caker> That's exactly what ppl need to know :) 21:12 * mikegrb sees Artifex said something to me... good thing you said it in #xb-lin too as this was the active window so it wasn't hilighted ;) 21:12 * mikegrb scrolls up 21:13 < Artifex> i think it's been answered 21:16 < mikegrb> I don't see a question anyway 21:16 < mikegrb> what was it? 21:16 < mikegrb> oh 21:16 < mikegrb> disk image? 21:18 * mikegrb waves hello to paulproteus 21:18 < mikegrb> tytyty: have you signed up!? 21:20 < tjfontaine> dirty lurkers 21:20 < mikegrb> indeed 21:20 < tjfontaine> pay up biznatches 21:20 < mikegrb> heh 21:20 < tjfontaine> you know you want it :-) 21:20 < mikegrb> indeed 21:21 < mikegrb> tytyty: I shall kick you if you don't do it! 21:21 < tjfontaine> *nix is much easier as a server than doze :-) 21:21 < mikegrb> paulproteus: that goes for you! 21:21 < mikegrb> this is a private club 21:21 < tjfontaine> +too 21:21 < mikegrb> heh thanks 21:21 < tjfontaine> heh we should hand out keywords 21:21 < mikegrb> heh 21:21 * paulproteus ducks for cover 21:21 < mikegrb> heh 21:21 < mikegrb> paulproteus: have you seen that site? 21:22 < mikegrb> isn't it grand! 21:24 -!- Artifex [~Arti@65.25.115.230] has quit [Quit: brb] 21:25 -!- Artifex [~Arti@dhcp065-025-115-230.neo.rr.com] has joined #linode 21:25 < mikegrb> Welcome Mr. Artifex 21:26 < Artifex> :-) 21:34 -!- rko [~risto@64.5.53.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 485 seconds] 22:03 -!- tytyty [~tytyty@ppp570.broadband01.tus.dakotacom.net] has left #linode [] 22:08 < mikegrb> ahhh 22:09 < caker> Here's a good one 22:09 < caker> About two months ago I faxed an authorization to raise the daily withdrawl limit 22:09 < caker> Turns out they only raised the limit for THAT DAY 22:09 < caker> (at my bank, btw) 22:12 < tjfontaine> heh 22:17 < mikegrb> silly 22:17 < mikegrb> + bank 22:17 < mikegrb> 'cd -' goes to previous directory you were in 22:18 < mikegrb> I did not know this 22:18 < mikegrb> this will save me much time and typing 22:18 < tjfontaine> heh 22:18 < mikegrb> did you know this tjfontaine? 22:18 < mikegrb> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=60071 22:18 < mikegrb> tips and tricks 22:19 < mikegrb> most are pretty normal, if you don't know it you're stupid, type of stuff 22:19 < tjfontaine> I did know of that particular one 22:19 < mikegrb> a few gems though 22:19 < mikegrb> like some nfs like doobie that lets you mount a remove filesystem using ssh 22:19 < mikegrb> that's cool 22:20 < sunny> lftp as a defualt client ? 22:20 < sunny> pffft, bad choice 22:20 < mikegrb> heh 22:20 < sunny> that also breaks apps looking for the netkit ftp app 22:20 < sunny> yafc beats all the ftp clients 22:20 < mikegrb> :) 22:21 < caker> hint #2: 22:21 < caker> don't delete something to restore it from your backup if you didn't back it up. 22:21 < caker> lol 22:21 < mikegrb> indeed 22:22 * mikegrb pats his rdiff-backup dir with full revision history 22:22 < sunny> reall real tip: use alsa's dmix 22:22 < sunny> it makes ARTS/ESD useless 22:24 < sunny> noatime is a bad idea for security reasons 22:26 < mikegrb> heh yes 22:26 < mikegrb> I use it at home though 22:27 < sunny> I use it too, but if I was anal or something I definately wouldn't 22:28 < sunny> I've seen much better sites 22:28 < sunny> yolinux.com 22:28 < sunny> amazing site 22:28 < mikegrb> heh yes 22:28 < mikegrb> I will try that 22:28 < sunny> these guys document the undocumented 22:28 < sunny> no more boring repetitive HOWTOs 22:28 < sunny> heh 22:29 < sunny> these guys have a HOWTO about streaming yout TV card 22:29 < sunny> hah 22:29 < mikegrb> heh 22:29 * mikegrb streams from his tv-card 22:29 < mikegrb> to the xbox in the living room ;) 22:30 < mikegrb> I will have to check it out for sure 22:31 < sunny> heh, my friend and I stream TV at school ... gives us something do in class 22:31 < sunny> hah 22:31 < mikegrb> heh 22:32 < caker> stream captured TV video over wireless? 22:33 < mikegrb> I did it with myth 22:33 < mikegrb> it was problematic if the laptop got to far 22:33 < caker> what do you mean myth? 22:33 < mikegrb> www.mythtv.org 22:33 < caker> ahh 22:33 < caker> nm 22:33 < caker> very cool 22:33 < mikegrb> worked fine from computer room above kitchen (where ap is) to kitchen table :) 22:34 < mikegrb> who needs to by silly tv's for every room you want to watch :) 22:34 < mikegrb> er 22:34 < mikegrb> s/by/buy/ 22:34 < sunny> caker: yeah, Real has their client/servers free for lunix 22:35 < sunny> https://www.helixcommunity.org/ 22:35 < sunny> bit complicated 22:35 < sunny> cuz you have 2 server components, and finally the client 22:35 < sunny> but it definately works 22:36 < caker> right -- something to capture/tvtuner, then the streaming server... 22:36 < caker> ? 22:37 < sunny> yep 22:37 < sunny> OR ... 22:37 < sunny> the ultimate cheap hack ... 22:38 < sunny> mencoder --foo --bar /dev/video0 > stream.fifo 22:38 < sunny> and serve the fifo via apache 22:38 < mikegrb> heh 22:38 < caker> nice 22:38 < sunny> BAD BAD CHEAP HACK 22:38 < sunny> your bandwidth must be faster than the stream 22:38 < mikegrb> I was playing with getting that working for mythtv 22:38 < mikegrb> for use on the lan 22:39 < mikegrb> someone wrote a direct show filter for the mythtv format though 22:39 * mikegrb has one windows system on the lan 22:51 < caker> this linux PVR stuff is very, very impressive 22:52 * tjfontaine cries 22:52 < tjfontaine> I want one real bad 22:52 < caker> man, sounds awesome 22:52 < caker> looks awesome 22:52 < tjfontaine> but I lost my mjpeg card 22:55 < mikegrb> heh 22:55 < mikegrb> caker just witnessed the power of mythweb 22:56 < tjfontaine> oh.. 22:56 < tjfontaine> thats what did it to me too 22:56 < mikegrb> 93 programs, using 100 GB out of 189 GB 22:56 < mikegrb> :) 23:01 < mikegrb> heh interesting stereotype confirmation happened on the way home from workk 23:01 < tjfontaine> oh? 23:01 < mikegrb> stop off to get cigarettes right across the street from the hostpital, the hospital which is in a rather bad part of town 23:02 < mikegrb> the man behind the counter was arab, though this isn't arab stereotypes though 23:02 < tjfontaine> heh k? 23:03 < mikegrb> I asked for my cigarettes two packs of marlboro menthol ultra-light 100s (I go back and forth between light/ultra lights) well he says, we don't have them 23:03 < mikegrb> I was like what? 23:03 < mikegrb> not very unpopular variety of cigarettes 23:03 < tjfontaine> 100s though? 23:03 < mikegrb> he only had one pack of each light and ultra lights left 23:03 < mikegrb> yes 23:03 < mikegrb> he didn't have them in shorts at all 23:04 < mikegrb> his reply was... with a laugh as he realized the stereotype too.... around here everybody smoke newports 23:04 < tjfontaine> heh 23:04 < mikegrb> he gestured for me to peer around the counter 23:04 < mikegrb> Imagine a normal gas station stock of cigs, now imaging all of it but 10 or so packs is newport 23:04 < mikegrb> never seen so many boxes of newports in my life! 23:04 < tjfontaine> jesus 23:04 < mikegrb> heh 23:05 < mikegrb> I was laughing as I left 23:05 < tjfontaine> my smoking habit is too expensive for me to be addicted 23:05 < mikegrb> he was so funny though cause he thought it was hilarious to 23:05 < mikegrb> + o 23:05 < mikegrb> how much a day? 23:05 < tjfontaine> minimal, 2 or 3 23:05 < mikegrb> heh me too 23:05 < tjfontaine> but turk golds are expensive 23:06 < mikegrb> yes 23:06 < tjfontaine> only 2 kinds more expensive heh 23:06 < tjfontaine> American Spirits, and Lukcy Strikes 23:06 < mikegrb> well... I've had some, lemme think what it was 23:06 < mikegrb> NS were the initials, Nathan Something, from NY 23:07 < mikegrb> those are kinda expensive 23:07 < mikegrb> heidi says kinda? 23:07 < mikegrb> get them every now and then at a smoke shop downtown 23:07 < mikegrb> that place is cool, /HUGE/ walk in humidor 23:07 < tjfontaine> I can't get *in* to smoking, the whole pack a day thing is ridiculous 23:08 < mikegrb> yes 23:08 < mikegrb> I smoke 3 or 4 a day 23:08 < tjfontaine> however, there was a day... after I graduated HS 23:08 < mikegrb> the cats dictate when they are 23:08 < tjfontaine> heh 23:08 < tjfontaine> I chain smoked 2 packs of 5 black and milds in less than 2 hours 23:09 < tjfontaine> 10 b&m's in < 2hrs!! 23:09 < mikegrb> that's a um lot 23:09 < tjfontaine> that was a bad night 23:09 < mikegrb> indeed 23:09 < tjfontaine> I couldn't taste anything for 2 days 23:09 < mikegrb> oh oh got my first staff email 23:09 < mikegrb> I'll bet 23:09 < tjfontaine> but if you got time to stomach a story I've got a doozy heh 23:09 < mikegrb> heh okay in a few minutes 23:21 < mikegrb> heidi says she wants to hear the story now 23:21 < mikegrb> I'll hand the kbd over to her and be back in a sec 23:21 < tjfontaine> heh 23:21 -!- mikegrb is now known as heidi 23:21 < tjfontaine> heheh 23:21 < tjfontaine> k 23:22 < heidi> go ahead 23:22 < tjfontaine> when I graduated HS my sister and brother-in-law left me their house for 10 days to housesit whilst they were on vacation 23:22 < tjfontaine> make no mistake, there was no confusion what my plans were with this house while they were gone 23:23 < tjfontaine> myself and 2 other of my friends moved in no less than 2 hours after them leaving 23:23 < tjfontaine> purchased enormous amounts of alcohol and other fun party favors and launched into a week of nothing but HS hedonism 23:24 < tjfontaine> the house was considered a haven, a safe enviroment nestled right smack dab in the middle of town, where those who were normally reserved could break out of their shells and enjoy ummm life 23:24 < tjfontaine> so what does this mean for every hormone raging boy? 23:25 < tjfontaine> he thinks in some manner he plans on something happening for him 23:25 < heidi> heh 23:25 < tjfontaine> apparently I made the wrong assumption being the host of the parties especially 23:25 < tjfontaine> I worked hard at spitting mad game at one girl 23:26 < tjfontaine> it seemed to be paying off 23:26 < tjfontaine> until one night it ended 23:26 < tjfontaine> in the arms of a friend noless 23:26 < tjfontaine> alas, alls fair right? 23:26 < heidi> hm 23:27 < tjfontaine> well, I procede to storm out on to the deck 23:27 < tjfontaine> where I sit down, look up at the stars and try and figure it all out 23:27 < tjfontaine> 2 hrs, 10 black and milds, 5 shots of vodka later I had one terrible night 23:28 < tjfontaine> and yet still managed to get to work at 7am the next morning 23:28 < tjfontaine> ok, its not a doozy 23:28 < tjfontaine> unless I tell 10 days of stories 23:28 < heidi> heh 23:28 < tjfontaine> 1 year later, we did it all again and it was great fun which we video taped 23:29 < tjfontaine> and I never finished making the dvd (and they hate me for it) 23:29 < heidi> I will never understand hormone raged boys 23:29 < tjfontaine> nor will I 23:29 < heidi> I hope you learned a lesson from all that 23:32 < tjfontaine> yes 23:32 < tjfontaine> more vodka earlier in the night 23:32 < tjfontaine> heh no 23:32 < tjfontaine> the lesson was learned a year later actually 23:32 < tjfontaine> act on your feelings, and don't try and be subtle cause girls dont understand my subtlties 23:32 < heidi> Right 23:32 < heidi> girls don't like subtlties cause it leaves confusion 23:32 < tjfontaine> I think I could write a pretty good and sappy romance/comedy 23:32 < heidi> they don't know if you really like them or are just being nice 23:32 < heidi> heh 23:32 < tjfontaine> well, you know honestly though, guys aren't really all that intelligent 23:32 < heidi> yeah I know 23:32 < tjfontaine> we've got a very one track mind 23:32 < tjfontaine> when it comes to women at least 23:32 < heidi> that is were you mess up 23:32 < tjfontaine> thats how were coded :-) 23:32 < heidi> you need to think in terms of how she feels first 23:32 < tjfontaine> if I did that I would kill myself before I talked to her heh 23:32 < heidi> when you convince them you really care, that is when they give in unless they are total sluts 23:32 < heidi> like me 23:33 < tjfontaine> wait 23:33 < tjfontaine> which one are you? 23:33 < tjfontaine> heh 23:33 -!- heidi is now known as michael 23:33 < tjfontaine> damn just when it was getting good hehe 23:33 < michael> er 23:33 * michael can't rememver password 23:33 < tjfontaine> cause its supposed to be mikegrb :-) 23:34 -!- michael is now known as Guest147 23:34 < Guest147> silly me lol 23:34 -!- Guest147 is now known as mikegrb 23:35 < mikegrb> better 23:35 < tjfontaine> hehe 23:35 < mikegrb> I didn't even catch that 23:35 < mikegrb> that was heidi who said she was a slut but she was lying 23:36 < tjfontaine> you sure ;-) 23:36 < mikegrb> yes heh 23:37 < tjfontaine> yesterday she was kissin bendy heh ;-) j/k 23:37 < mikegrb> heh 23:37 < mikegrb> "I was not heh" 23:37 < tjfontaine> hehe 23:37 < caker> I wonder how bad I could DOS someone with all the bandwitdh at my fingertips ... 23:38 < caker> Don't know why that just popped into my head 23:38 < mikegrb> heh 23:38 < caker> I'm guessing .. pretty bad 23:38 < mikegrb> cause your evil muh-ha-ha-ha 23:47 < mikegrb> ahh 23:47 * mikegrb is relieved 23:47 < mikegrb> mythtv freeze reported to dev list, someone on an xbox using my xbox additions 23:47 < mikegrb> always get a feeling in my stomach that I'm gonna have to figure it out 23:48 < tjfontaine> heh 23:48 < mikegrb> takes much more inteligence to debug then to code 23:48 < mikegrb> two back traces from two seperate once-in-a-while type freezes 23:48 < mikegrb> thankfully one is clearly not having problems with my code 23:48 < mikegrb> the other I don't /think/ is mine but it is an issue with the socket to the backend being locked 23:49 < mikegrb> my code talks through this socket so it is of course a possibility but I think I'm in the clear :D 23:49 < mikegrb> heh there is a manu on the users list 23:49 < mikegrb> not the same one as from xbox-linux though 23:49 < tjfontaine> you never know ;-) 23:50 < mikegrb> heh 23:50 * mikegrb does the happy dance 23:50 < mikegrb> the first one, the one I thought might be mine, has been replied to by the lead dev 23:50 < mikegrb> he says it should be fixed in cvs 23:50 * mikegrb goes to see what changed 23:51 < mikegrb> ahh 23:51 < mikegrb> xbox.cpp did change :/ 23:51 < mikegrb> it was my failt but he fixed it :) 23:51 < tjfontaine> heh 23:51 * mikegrb visits viewcvs 23:52 < mikegrb> hmm 23:52 < mikegrb> that was easy 23:53 < mikegrb> void XBox::CheckRec(void) 23:53 < mikegrb> { 23:53 < mikegrb> if (gContext->IsDoingNetworkStuff()) 23:53 < mikegrb> return; 23:53 < mikegrb> heh 23:53 < mikegrb> isaac added the lock to prevent an xbox problem... he didn't make the xbox code check for it when he added it 23:55 < mikegrb> tj is you want an example of how good myth is written, look how easy it was to implement the main chunk of the xbox led code 23:55 < mikegrb> http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mythtv/libs/libmythtv/xbox.cpp?rev=1.4&view=auto 23:55 < mikegrb> s/tj is/tj if/ 23:56 < mikegrb> RecordingLED = gContext->GetSetting("XboxLEDRecording","rrrr"); <- thas the best bit 23:56 < mikegrb> retrieves a setting from database with "rrrr" as default 23:56 < tjfontaine> heheh 23:57 < tjfontaine> I should mark these random stock xbx drives 23:57 < mikegrb> though it took a bit of extra work, the RemoteIsRecording() being the major bit of it 23:58 < mikegrb> I had to implement a new command on the socket and make the backend handle it, got real familiar with particular parts of myth doing that 23:58 < mikegrb> random stock drives? 23:58 < tjfontaine> inherited from modded xboxes --- Log closed Fri Oct 31 00:00:00 2003 --- Log opened Fri Oct 31 00:00:03 2003 00:00 -!- jax [~stbe@24-161-88-208.hvc.rr.com] has quit [Quit: disconnect] 00:08 < mikegrb> oh it's that time of night :) 00:11 * mikegrb heads to bed 00:11 < tjfontaine> night 00:51 < Artifex> wow, tj up later then mikegrb 00:51 < Artifex> this has to be a first 00:51 < Artifex> :-) 00:51 < tjfontaine> heh 01:57 * Artifex is away: sleep 03:29 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:21 -!- _hehehe [~dont@202.71.158.69] has joined #linode 05:21 < _hehehe> where can i get Kazza fro linux? 05:25 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #linode 05:25 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 05:26 -!- _hehehe [~dont@202.71.158.69] has left #linode [Client Exiting] 05:57 -!- Artifex [~Arti@dhcp065-025-115-230.neo.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:57 -!- Artifex [~Arti@dhcp065-025-115-230.neo.rr.com] has joined #linode 06:16 -!- sunny [~sunny@69.22.246.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 485 seconds] 07:19 -!- Artifex [~Arti@dhcp065-025-115-230.neo.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:19 -!- Artifex [~Arti@dhcp065-025-115-230.neo.rr.com] has joined #linode 07:53 -!- quik is now known as Quik 07:54 < Quik> afternoon :) 08:02 < mikegrb> NO! 08:02 < mikegrb> morning 08:06 < Quik> lol 08:06 < mikegrb> how goes it/ 08:27 < Quik> not bad thanks :) 08:27 * Quik blames the lag these days 08:28 -!- mode/#linode [-o adamgent] by adamgent 08:32 < Quik> :o 08:39 -!- adamgent_mk2 [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #linode 08:39 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 08:40 -!- adamgent_mk2 [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Client Quit] 08:47 * Efudd waves 08:47 < mikegrb> hello 08:47 < adamgent> hi 08:52 < Efudd> lively bunch.... 09:28 < adamgent> well i will speak to you all after the weekend 09:29 < mikegrb> have a good weekend 09:29 < mikegrb> Efudd: indeed muh-hahahah 09:29 < adamgent> well... 09:29 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 09:33 -!- Artifexx [~Artifex@216.144.24.226] has joined #linode 10:21 -!- dvl666stn [~dvl666stn@62.53.42.10] has joined #linode 11:12 -!- jax [~stbe@148.100.209.137] has joined #linode 11:33 -!- Artifexx is now known as GPL 11:33 -!- GPL is now known as artifexx 11:45 -!- dvl666stn [~dvl666stn@62.53.42.10] has quit [Quit: ircN 7.27 + 7.0 for mIRC (2002/01/10 00.00)] 12:35 -!- Quik [Quik@refl3x.com] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 12:35 -!- Quik [Quik@refl3x.com] has joined #linode 12:36 < mikegrb> s 12:36 < mikegrb> 12:20 -s 12:36 < mikegrb> 12:20 I'm sorry 12:36 < mikegrb> 12:21 thats ok 12:36 < mikegrb> 12:21 not your fault 12:37 < mikegrb> 12:21 uoiopuopiuoop 12:37 < mikegrb> 12:21 hmm 12:37 < mikegrb> sorry 12:37 < mikegrb> wrong text 12:37 < mikegrb> http://pws.prserv.net/zwerg/MythTV_pumpkin_480_480.jpg 12:37 < mikegrb> that's better 14:12 -!- sunny [~sunny@128.238.241.192] has joined #linode 14:18 < sunny> caker: why is our IP block owned by "XGamer Networks, Inc." ? 14:20 < caker> huh? 14:20 < mikegrb> heh 14:20 < caker> which block? 14:20 < sunny> host9 14:20 < caker> k 14:21 < sunny> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=opencurve.org 14:21 < caker> [root@host4 root]# whois 64.62.190.9 14:21 < caker> [Querying whois.arin.net] 14:21 < caker> [whois.arin.net] 14:21 < caker> Hurricane Electric HURRICANE-4 (NET-64-62-128-0-1) 14:21 < caker> 64.62.128.0 - 64.62.255.255 14:21 < caker> Shore Network Technologies HURRICANE-CE1301-391 (NET-64-62-190-0-1) 14:21 < caker> 64.62.190.0 - 64.62.190.255 14:22 < caker> netcraft must have it wrong or old info 14:22 < sunny> beats me, guess netcraft is wrong 14:22 < sunny> yeh 14:22 < caker> That was nice of HE to add me @ arin 14:22 < mikegrb> eouldn't be the first time 14:22 < caker> I didn't see that until now 14:22 < mikegrb> indeed 14:23 < mikegrb> yeah@ 14:23 < mikegrb> er 14:23 < mikegrb> ! 14:23 < mikegrb> my mod chip just arrived at home, I can use my xbox again 14:23 < caker> all right 14:24 < caker> perfect timing (weekend) 14:24 < mikegrb> indeed 14:24 < mikegrb> oh caker 14:25 < mikegrb> depending on how soon you want a mythtv setup the Avermedia people are helping out for a linux driver for their M79 or whatever the card is called 14:25 < caker> ahh -- is that better than the PVR 3/250? 14:25 < mikegrb> it's equiv of pvr-250 but cheaper 14:25 < caker> ok 14:25 < caker> thx 14:26 < caker> funny .. if you click on Google's now Halloween logo 14:26 < caker> it searches for Halloween 14:26 < caker> they're so smart 14:28 < mikegrb> 14:22 stepped away for a few minutes. yeah. I emailed 2 of their U.S. addresses (marketting and feedback) and then BCC:-ed a few others from other countries. that was late last night and i just got an email about 1:45 from a guy there asking me to call him. we'll see how it pans out.. 14:28 < mikegrb> 14:23 told them that their competitor Hauppauge was supported by ivtv and Myth and they should be to. :) 14:28 < mikegrb> HEH indeed they are 14:29 < mikegrb> Captain_Murdoch got an email back with a phone number for an engineer as was told to call monday and let this guy know what all you need to be successful "we'll make sure he takes care of you" 14:29 < caker> excellent 14:29 < mikegrb> M179 it is 14:30 -!- jax [~stbe@148.100.209.137] has quit [Quit: need sound] 14:30 < mikegrb> "According to this New York Times Article (registration, etc.), Google may be considering a merger with Microsoft in the near future. As many people know, Google's search services are powered by Linux. " 14:30 < mikegrb> Bah! 14:31 < mikegrb> Google might not be so smart afterall 14:31 < caker> its bs 14:31 < mikegrb> I would certainly hope so 14:31 < caker> just says MS has been pursuing them 14:31 < mikegrb> oh 14:31 < mikegrb> heh 14:31 < mikegrb> that's what I get for not reading it 14:31 < caker> plus, i would hype something like that up if I was pre-IPO, too 14:31 < mikegrb> for some reason I've always held google on a pedestal 14:47 < sunny> mikegrb: what else do you do with 40-something PHD's ? :) 15:49 -!- jax [~stbe@148.100.209.137] has joined #linode 16:00 -!- guinea-sleep is now known as guinea-pig 16:08 -!- Quik is now known as quik 16:58 -!- jax [~stbe@148.100.209.137] has quit [Quit: quitting time] 17:00 * caker goes to kill another wasp 17:00 < tjfontaine> more? 17:00 < tjfontaine> you should seriously call an exterminator heh 17:00 < caker> another one 17:00 < caker> Last year I woke up with a wasp in the cusp of my hand .. 17:00 < caker> wasn't very pleasant ;) 17:00 < caker> Didn't get stung though 17:00 < tjfontaine> pheww 17:01 < tjfontaine> scary 17:01 < caker> Imressive alarm clock -- got me RIGHT out of bed 17:01 < caker> fyi 17:01 < caker> http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=428 17:02 < caker> You can join the linode-announce list if you haven't already: 17:02 < caker> http://www.linode.com/forums/groupcp.php 17:02 < tjfontaine> thank you 17:04 < tjfontaine> gotta run 17:04 < tjfontaine> talk to you later 17:04 < tjfontaine> oh 17:04 < caker> cya 17:04 < tjfontaine> and keep up the great work1 17:04 < tjfontaine> er ! 17:04 < caker> I will :) you too 17:04 * caker goes to eat finally 17:09 -!- sunny [~sunny@128.238.241.192] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 17:20 -!- artifexx [~Artifex@216.144.24.226] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)] 17:50 -!- quik is now known as Quik 18:26 < caker> heh .. we peaked to 82 m/bits out through theplanet this month 18:26 < caker> M/bits 18:30 < mikegrb> :) 18:30 < Efudd> mmm 18:30 * Efudd purchaesd new car. Again. 18:30 < caker> Almost doubled bandwidth from last month (at TP) 18:30 * mikegrb purchased cd-r's again 18:30 < caker> Efudd: what did you get? 18:31 < Efudd> 04 Corvette Z06. 18:31 < mikegrb> :o 18:31 < caker> for real? 18:31 * Efudd has issues with buying cars 18:31 < Efudd> Yeah. 18:31 < Efudd> You don't understand tho. 18:31 < Efudd> I've had an 01, 02, 03 and 04 Z06. :) 18:31 < mikegrb> lol 18:31 < caker> Ahh 18:31 < mikegrb> Efudd: I shall msg you my address 18:31 < caker> Buy, or lease, or what the heck are you doing? 18:31 < Efudd> i've also had a BMW 330i and a BMW M3 convertible in those cars. 18:31 < Efudd> 7 fokkin' vehicles in the last 3 years. 18:32 < Efudd> I buy. 18:32 < caker> Buy, take the huge depreciation, and then sell? 18:32 < Efudd> too frequently, Yes. 18:32 < Efudd> I bought this corvette on GMS, which is 10k off sticker tho. 18:33 < mikegrb> Efudd: what do you do? 18:33 < mikegrb> :) 18:33 < Efudd> geek. 18:33 < Efudd> professional geek? I dunno. :) 18:33 < mikegrb> sounds good :D 18:33 < caker> Efudd: what's "on GMS" 18:34 * mikegrb wants to be like Efudd when he grows up 18:34 < Efudd> my grandfather worked for GM for 30 years.... 18:34 < Efudd> GMS is "GM Stock" program. 18:34 < caker> ok 18:34 < Efudd> special pricing for family members. 18:34 < caker> so you buy under sticker, drive for 8-12 months, then sell for what you bought it for, essentially 18:34 < Efudd> it's about 3.5k under invoice and has limitations. something like 4 per year per family and you must keep it 6months. 18:34 < Efudd> caker, Yah. 18:34 < Efudd> Seomtimes.. :) 18:34 < caker> ok 18:35 < caker> Nice setup :) 18:35 < Efudd> I've made money and lost money. 18:35 < caker> Vanderbilt University employees (of whom, I know a few) get to send their kids there for NO TUITION 18:35 < caker> zero 18:35 < caker> that's sick, very hard to get in, too 18:35 < Efudd> yah... 18:35 < caker> and they get in no matter what 18:35 < Efudd> lots of colleges are that way 18:35 < Efudd> i've known folk whos parents work as like janitors part time to get that for their kids 18:35 < caker> Exactly 18:36 < caker> $25k/year job gets you a million in tuition (for 2 or 3 kids) 18:36 < Efudd> ya 18:37 < caker> I need someone who can do that for me with bandwidth 18:37 < caker> :) 18:37 < Efudd> that 89mbit, was that due to you? :) 18:37 < caker> That was just a peak... 18:37 < Efudd> Oic. 18:37 < caker> We averaged about 4 Mbit for Oct at TP 18:38 * Efudd was thinking thats a foktun of bandwidth. 18:38 < caker> yeah! 18:38 < caker> We did about 800 gigs total b/w (right around 3-4 mb) 18:38 < Efudd> That's not bad... 18:38 < caker> (at TP) 18:38 < Efudd> I think I hit 3GB in 2 days. :P 18:38 < caker> I have a 1Mbit contract :) 18:38 < Efudd> but that's a rare thing for me 18:38 < Efudd> had to download 24 :) 18:38 < caker> Only one Linode went over their allotment 18:39 < Efudd> Doh. 1Mbit?! 18:39 < caker> by 200 gb 18:39 < Efudd> did you miscalculate or something? 18:39 < caker> Yeah! -- time to call sales reps 18:39 < Efudd> lol. 200gb is quite a bit. 18:39 < Efudd> nearly .6-.7 Mbit 18:39 < Efudd> 1.5Mbit is what, 500GB/mo. 18:39 < caker> No miscalculation, we only went "over" the first time last month 18:39 < caker> 1 m/b will get you around 300 gigs (some places say a little less, some a little more) 18:40 < Efudd> yeah.. ok. i remember doing the calculation based on my T1 18:40 < caker> I've done that calc too many times 18:40 < Efudd> heh :) 18:40 < Efudd> how much bandwidth do you have sold? 18:40 < Efudd> in GB 18:40 < caker> In what sense? 18:40 < Efudd> linodes * max_allotment 18:40 < caker> oh geesh 18:41 < mikegrb> heh 18:41 < caker> a lot more than I have contracted for 18:41 < Efudd> Yah. that's how it works :) 18:41 < mikegrb> that is one thing people rarely use 18:41 < caker> The guy who went over this month 18:41 < Efudd> but at $2/gig (think that's what the overage is), I'm sure you come out okee. :) 18:41 < caker> posted an msg of some guy completing Super Mario with perfect score 18:41 < Efudd> ... 18:41 < caker> posted it to his forum for his gaming clan to d/l 18:41 < Efudd> That's *all*? :) 18:42 < caker> somehow it ended up on chinese forums, and all over ... "gee fast download" he said he saw 18:42 < Efudd> musta been a video.. 18:42 < caker> s/msg/mpg/ 18:42 < Efudd> oic. 18:43 < Efudd> can't belive he didn't watch for usage/utilization/http hits/something 18:43 < Efudd> anyway, it's beer:30 and i can't wait to see the fiance's reaction when she sees the car. /snicker 18:43 < Efudd> don't plan on saying anything, just getting in it :P 18:43 < caker> Nice, congrats Efudd 18:43 < mikegrb> heh 18:43 < mikegrb> have fun 18:43 < Efudd> lates. =) 18:47 * Artifex is back (gone 11:27:57) 19:15 < Quik> pff just 1% CPU usage :( 19:15 * Quik loads his linode with dodgy cron jobs 19:16 < mikegrb> heh 19:17 * mikegrb adds gecko to /etc/hosts 19:17 < mikegrb> mandrake is pretty impressive 19:17 < mikegrb> recognized the wifi card and asked for ssid wep key and the like 19:54 < caker> Quik: hehe 19:54 < Quik> ;) 19:55 < mikegrb> tjfontaine: where are you? 19:57 -!- Quik is now known as quik 23:40 < tjfontaine> mikegrb: here now 23:40 < mikegrb> heh --- Log closed Sat Nov 01 00:00:01 2003 --- Log opened Sat Nov 01 00:00:03 2003 01:05 -!- caker [~null@pcp508196pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 01:05 -!- guinea-pig [orion@64.5.53.199] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 01:05 -!- quik [Quik@refl3x.com] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 01:05 -!- Artifex [~Arti@dhcp065-025-115-230.neo.rr.com] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 01:05 -!- mikegrb [me@mikegrb.sponsor.oftc.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 01:05 -!- tjfontaine [~tjfontain@xbox-linux.sf.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 01:05 -!- caker-screen [~caker@webuser.xbox-linux.sf.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 01:05 -!- Efudd [~jason@forever.broked.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 01:05 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 01:05 -!- paulproteus [foobar@128.220.38.127] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 01:07 -!- mikegrb [me@mikegrb.sponsor.oftc.net] has joined #linode 01:07 -!- guinea-pig [orion@64.5.53.199] has joined #linode 01:07 -!- caker [~null@pcp508196pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net] has joined #linode 01:07 -!- mode/#linode [+ooo mikegrb guinea-pig caker ] by charon.oftc.net 01:07 -!- quik [Quik@refl3x.com] has joined #linode 01:07 -!- Artifex [~Arti@dhcp065-025-115-230.neo.rr.com] has joined #linode 01:07 -!- paulproteus [foobar@128.220.38.127] has joined #linode 01:07 -!- Efudd [~jason@forever.broked.net] has joined #linode 01:07 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has joined #linode 01:07 -!- caker-screen [~caker@webuser.xbox-linux.sf.net] has joined #linode 01:07 -!- tjfontaine [~tjfontain@xbox-linux.sf.net] has joined #linode --- Log closed Sat Nov 01 01:44:48 2003 --- Log opened Sat Nov 01 01:45:05 2003 01:45 < mikegrb> heh hello 01:45 < mikegrb> it is quite in here 01:45 < mikegrb> I don't know that you'd like it 01:46 < heidi> so 01:46 < tjfontaine> heh 01:46 < heidi> I want to see if you are talking trash about me where I can't see 01:46 * tjfontaine chuckles 01:46 < heidi> And the other chanels are a little dead 01:47 < mikegrb> heh 01:47 < mikegrb> well like I said it is deader in here 01:47 < Artifex> no, he keeps the trash talking to /msgs 01:47 < heidi> ok 01:47 < tjfontaine> heh 01:47 < heidi> figures 01:47 < Artifex> :-P 01:47 < mikegrb> shhhh 01:48 < heidi> so what is said in those /msgs 01:49 < mikegrb> just how much I love you and what not 01:49 < tjfontaine> I've never heard him speak/type a cross word 01:49 < heidi> Are you lying? 01:49 < tjfontaine> no 01:49 < tjfontaine> not at all 01:49 < mikegrb> indeed 01:49 * mikegrb hasn't 01:49 < mikegrb> heidi: you may grep my logs if you'd like :) 01:49 < tjfontaine> mike even has irc logs he can let you greb through 01:49 < mikegrb> greb through? 01:50 < heidi> k 01:50 < tjfontaine> er 01:50 < mikegrb> heh 01:50 < tjfontaine> freudian slip 01:50 < mikegrb> I've considered moving it 01:50 < heidi> heh 01:50 < mikegrb> but it wuold break to many scripts 01:50 < tjfontaine> hehe 01:50 < tjfontaine> the b and p aren't even close heh 01:50 < mikegrb> no 01:58 -!- caker [~null@pcp508196pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 01:58 -!- guinea-pig [orion@64.5.53.199] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 01:58 -!- quik [Quik@refl3x.com] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 01:58 -!- Artifex [~Arti@dhcp065-025-115-230.neo.rr.com] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 01:58 -!- heidi [michael@pcp02798743pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 01:58 -!- tjfontaine [~tjfontain@xbox-linux.sf.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 01:58 -!- caker-screen [~caker@webuser.xbox-linux.sf.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 01:58 -!- mikegrb [me@mikegrb.sponsor.oftc.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 01:58 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 01:58 -!- Efudd [~jason@forever.broked.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 01:58 -!- paulproteus [foobar@128.220.38.127] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 01:59 -!- mikegrb [me@mikegrb.sponsor.oftc.net] has joined #linode 01:59 -!- guinea-pig [orion@64.5.53.199] has joined #linode 01:59 -!- caker [~null@pcp508196pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net] has joined #linode 01:59 -!- mode/#linode [+ooo mikegrb guinea-pig caker ] by charon.oftc.net 01:59 -!- heidi [michael@pcp02798743pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net] has joined #linode 01:59 -!- quik [Quik@refl3x.com] has joined #linode 01:59 -!- Artifex [~Arti@dhcp065-025-115-230.neo.rr.com] has joined #linode 01:59 -!- paulproteus [foobar@128.220.38.127] has joined #linode 01:59 -!- Efudd [~jason@forever.broked.net] has joined #linode 01:59 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has joined #linode 01:59 -!- caker-screen [~caker@webuser.xbox-linux.sf.net] has joined #linode 01:59 -!- tjfontaine [~tjfontain@xbox-linux.sf.net] has joined #linode 02:02 < caker> 1 AM on a Friday ... anyone around? 02:03 < tjfontaine> no! 02:03 < caker> hrmph 02:03 < caker> why aren't you out? 02:03 < mikegrb> b/c 02:03 < caker> hmm 02:03 < caker> another one 02:03 < caker> 2 AM for you guys, no? 02:03 < mikegrb> we want to make sure if any prospective customers come in we can extoll the virtues of linode 02:03 < mikegrb> yes 02:03 < caker> Ahhh 02:03 < caker> well then 02:03 < mikegrb> 0203 02:03 < mikegrb> :) 02:03 < caker> btw 02:03 < caker> Happy November 02:03 < mikegrb> heh thanks 02:04 < mikegrb> I saw I sent you a present this morning ;) 02:04 * caker stops time 02:04 < caker> oh? what was that? 02:04 < tjfontaine> caker: what host distros do you run UML on? 02:04 < caker> rh9 02:04 < mikegrb> something that would be spiffy, if not dificult... adding bandwidth used to the invoice 02:04 * caker takes defensive posture 02:04 < caker> Hmm 02:04 < mikegrb> and maybe a history of at least the first previous month from the members site 02:04 < caker> Even if there's no "invoice" for it? 02:04 < tjfontaine> and you have limits on monthly bandwidth? 02:05 < caker> Ok, I actually have that historical data in the db 02:05 < mikegrb> caker right 02:05 < caker> Can I substitute it on the invoices for someplace else to get to it? 02:05 < mikegrb> since... the members site just shows the current month so for the first day, you don't know what prev month is 02:05 < mikegrb> substitute? I don't understand 02:05 < caker> tjfontaine: you can consume as much b/w as possible, but I will charge for it over your allotment 02:06 < mikegrb> indeed 02:06 < mikegrb> you mean replace something already on the invoice? 02:06 < caker> Instead of on the invoices, you can bring up an "xfer" page with all your stats 02:06 < mikegrb> present == money 02:06 < mikegrb> yes 02:06 < mikegrb> that is fine :) 02:06 < caker> OK, that makes more senst 02:06 < caker> sense 02:06 < mikegrb> right 02:06 < caker> you just liked it on the invoices because it was end of month 02:06 < tjfontaine> caker: I meant for your host boxes, you have limits? 02:06 < caker> Invoices are for next month, too 02:06 < caker> ahh 02:06 < caker> well, TP setup has two 100mb uplinks 02:07 < caker> so I guess that would be the first bottleneck into the core network 02:07 < mikegrb> I just wasn't sure how difficult, thought invoice might be easiest to implement since you have to check it anyway 02:07 < caker> tjfontaine: make sense? 02:07 < caker> Xtra bandwidth charges are invoiced into the system manually ... 02:07 < caker> for now 02:07 < tjfontaine> caker: yes that makes sense, but I mean for you paying for boxes, do those boxes have limits like I do as a node user? 02:07 < caker> Oh hell yeah 02:08 < caker> In fact, we went over quite a bit this month at TP 02:08 < caker> But it's the same kind of deal, where I can go over 02:08 < tjfontaine> right 02:08 < caker> Right now my contract w/ TP is 1/3 rack 200 gb xfer .. 02:08 < caker> we did about 800 gb this month :) 02:09 < tjfontaine> I know your boxes are nicer quality of processors... but ev1servers offers 700gigs/mnt at its base 02:09 < caker> time to renegotiate my contract with them 02:10 < tjfontaine> theres a lot to take into consideration though... 02:10 < caker> There are a few problems with leased, or one-off colo: 02:10 < caker> one is that your boxes aren't cross connected 02:10 < caker> two is IP allocations 02:10 < tjfontaine> processor/memory/hdd space 02:10 < caker> and leasing boxes with 3-4 GB of RAM is insane 02:11 < caker> I'm aware that I'm going to get screwed until we start pulling down bulk bandwidth .. then I can make deals and pass it on to you guys 02:11 < Artifex> hrmm, that reminds me... 02:11 < Artifex> what happens when linodes pricing changes? 02:11 < tjfontaine> caker: I'm not complaing I just wanted to give you fodder for negotiations 02:11 < mikegrb> bah 02:12 < tjfontaine> caker: www.ev1servers.net 02:16 -!- caker [~null@pcp508196pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 02:16 -!- guinea-pig [orion@64.5.53.199] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 02:16 -!- quik [Quik@refl3x.com] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 02:16 -!- Artifex [~Arti@dhcp065-025-115-230.neo.rr.com] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 02:16 -!- tjfontaine [~tjfontain@xbox-linux.sf.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 02:16 -!- caker-screen [~caker@webuser.xbox-linux.sf.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 02:16 -!- heidi [michael@pcp02798743pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 02:16 -!- mikegrb [me@mikegrb.sponsor.oftc.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 02:16 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 02:16 -!- Efudd [~jason@forever.broked.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 02:16 -!- paulproteus [foobar@128.220.38.127] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 02:18 -!- mikegrb [me@mikegrb.sponsor.oftc.net] has joined #linode 02:18 -!- guinea-pig [orion@64.5.53.199] has joined #linode 02:18 -!- caker [~null@pcp508196pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net] has joined #linode 02:18 -!- mode/#linode [+ooo mikegrb guinea-pig caker ] by charon.oftc.net 02:18 -!- heidi [michael@pcp02798743pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net] has joined #linode 02:18 -!- quik [Quik@refl3x.com] has joined #linode 02:18 -!- Artifex [~Arti@dhcp065-025-115-230.neo.rr.com] has joined #linode 02:18 -!- paulproteus [foobar@128.220.38.127] has joined #linode 02:18 -!- Efudd [~jason@forever.broked.net] has joined #linode 02:18 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has joined #linode 02:18 -!- caker-screen [~caker@webuser.xbox-linux.sf.net] has joined #linode 02:18 -!- tjfontaine [~tjfontain@xbox-linux.sf.net] has joined #linode 02:18 < caker> hello UML_ChanLog 02:18 < tjfontaine> time for bed for real this time 02:18 < mikegrb> heh yha right 02:18 < heidi> sure 02:18 < tjfontaine> caker: again, great service thanks much 02:18 < caker> shakr: It's funny because I started off keeping network and cpu stats 02:18 < caker> per MINUTE 02:18 < caker> but the database got way to big 02:18 < caker> so now it just tallies and keeps one row 02:19 < caker> tjfontaine: thanks for participating :) 02:19 < mikegrb> [1067670985] jupiter.oftc.net split from charon.oftc.net: Write error: connection close 02:19 < shakr> don't most places charge by 5mins, max(in,out), 95th 02:19 < tjfontaine> heheh 02:19 < mikegrb> though it was the other way around 02:19 < mikegrb> splitmon is still in progress 02:19 < caker> shakr: there are two ways .. total xfer (in+out) in GBytes, or 95th percentile based on Mbits 02:20 < caker> right now I'd do better with total xfer method, since we peaked to 81 Mbit this month, would screw up the avg 02:20 < mikegrb> heh 02:20 < mikegrb> one customer with /lots/ of xfer 02:20 < caker> yeah ... 02:20 < caker> :) 02:21 < shakr> 81mbit being the aggregate of all hosts? it seems that individual hosts are limited to 10mbit (at least the one i'm on) --- Log closed Sat Nov 01 02:21:13 2003 --- Log opened Sat Nov 01 02:21:30 2003 02:21 < caker> You'll get 100mb to the host next to yours, and who knows how much directly to your host 02:21 < shakr> my colo box at he.net, on 100mb 02:21 < caker> Somewhere at HE then it must go through a 10mb pipe 02:22 < caker> My rig all the way into their network is 100mb 02:22 < caker> interesting :) 02:22 < shakr> kenn1@linode kenn1 $ /sbin/ifconfig -a 02:22 < shakr> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet 02:22 < caker> sorry to ask a potentially insulting question but, is that 10 megs/sec or 10mbit ? 02:22 < caker> Because 100mbit = about 11MB 02:22 < shakr> 10mbit :> 02:23 < caker> heh, ok thanks 02:23 < caker> strange 02:25 < shakr> here is from another source 02:25 < shakr> 02:24:17 (672.48 KB/s) - `52.16_win2kxp_english_whql.exe' saved [9001632/9001632] 02:25 < shakr> from he.net here is what i get: 02:25 < shakr> 23:26:59 (6.87 MB/s) - `52.16_win2kxp_english_whql.exe' saved [9001632/9001632] 02:28 < caker> shakr: is that on a webserver i can hit? 02:28 < shakr> wget http://download.nvidia.com/Windows/52.16/52.16_win2kxp_english_whql.exe 02:29 < mikegrb> caker: you can hit any webserver 02:29 < mikegrb> caker: you are the caker 02:29 < caker> I thought you were pulling that from your own Linode 02:29 < caker> not downloading to it 02:29 < shakr> well i've done it either way, linode to colo, and colo/linode to 3rd party (in this case nvidia) 02:30 < caker> on host9 the file downloaded at 7.26M/s 02:30 < shakr> weird 02:30 < mikegrb> +- 02:30 < shakr> i'm on host7, if that means anything 02:30 < caker> I wonder what setup you have on your other machine :) 02:30 < caker> From host4 (at tp) its much slower 02:31 < caker> bout 530k/sec 02:31 < caker> mikegrb: heh 02:31 < mikegrb> ;) 02:31 < shakr> ah is host9 at he.net? 02:31 < mikegrb> yes 02:31 < caker> yeah 02:31 * mikegrb got one :D 02:32 < mikegrb> host9 is the lowest number at he? or 8? 02:32 < caker> starts at 9 02:32 < mikegrb> thought so 02:32 < caker> I should have host11's parts here on Monday 02:32 < mikegrb> :) 02:32 < caker> built, install, test, ship probably take a week or so 02:32 < shakr> so to be totally clear, the hosts at tp are on > 10mbit but there is just a bottleneck somewhere? 02:33 < caker> shakr: tp looks to be about 11 hops to that nvidia site 02:33 < caker> where as HE is only 5 02:33 < caker> so it's a geographic thing 02:33 < caker> all our machines are on 100bit network, with at least 100 mb uplinks into the D/C's core network 02:33 < caker> where it goes from there (out to whomever) and what those backbones areis anyone's guess 02:34 < shakr> what kind of speed do you see from he->tp 02:34 < caker> I've seen about 5MBytes/sec the other day .. haven't looked recently 02:34 < mikegrb> caker: I've been trying my best to sell those last few linode 64's 02:34 < caker> Oh, that reminds me 02:34 < mikegrb> obviously haven't been successful yet 02:34 < caker> I have to shut two down --- Log closed Sat Nov 01 02:34:52 2003 --- Log opened Sat Nov 01 02:35:09 2003 02:35 < caker> Two Linode accts's subscriptions ended 02:35 < mikegrb> oh 02:35 < caker> two more slots to open 02:35 < mikegrb> :/ now I have four people to talk into it 02:36 < caker> atm, I'm getting via scp (which isn't a very good test) host9 to host4 about 1000k/sec 02:37 < caker> same the other way around 02:37 < mikegrb> oh caker I moved my nightly backup to 2300 est, it normaly only lasts about 20-30 minuts so hopefully that should make things easier on host10 02:38 * caker double checks duplexes 02:38 < caker> mikegrb: four people! spread the good word, my friend :) 02:38 < shakr> caker: would it be possible to wget a ~20MB file from another linode thats not host7 but at tp? 02:38 < caker> shakr: usermodelinux.linode.com is really host1 .. complete mirror of UML, lots of large fs files 02:38 < caker> shakr: via http:// 02:39 < mikegrb> heh 02:39 < caker> mikegrb: cool .. I think its mostly updatedb's crushing everything 02:39 < mikegrb> yha 02:40 < mikegrb> all I have left in daily is log rotate, I'd like to change it away from midnight but at the same time it is log files and it simplifies things to make it midnigt 02:40 < mikegrb> again just being rotate logs... it shouldn't be too stressful on it 02:40 < caker> midnight is a good time to rotate :) 02:40 < mikegrb> actually I tell it to keep only 3 days and not compress 02:40 < caker> and another useless cron job 02:40 < caker> makewhatis 02:40 < caker> who the heck uses whatis? 02:40 < caker> whatis whatis even? 02:41 < mikegrb> since I get a full revision history for log files and what not 02:41 < caker> via rsync :) 02:41 < caker> ? 02:41 < mikegrb> heh I've /never/ used it 02:41 < mikegrb> rdiff-backup 02:41 < mikegrb> my little howto :) 02:41 < caker> Bah ,that's right .. too late here 02:41 < caker> r* 02:41 < shakr> caker: very fast to my linode, and solid at 1.23MB/s to he 02:41 < caker> shakr: cool 02:42 < caker> shakr: phew! :) 02:42 < mikegrb> there is a prettier one at http://thegrebs.com:8080/greb 02:42 < mikegrb> I thinking about using plone for my personal site 02:42 < mikegrb> I like the default style sheets it applies 02:43 < caker> ok guys, off to hang with my better half 02:43 < caker> gnite 02:43 < shakr> nite 02:43 < mikegrb> heh me too 03:07 < Artifex> wusses. 03:08 < Artifex> it's only 3am, sheesh 03:48 -!- caker [~null@pcp508196pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 03:48 -!- guinea-pig [orion@64.5.53.199] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 03:48 -!- quik [Quik@refl3x.com] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 03:48 -!- Artifex [~Arti@dhcp065-025-115-230.neo.rr.com] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 03:48 -!- tjfontaine [~tjfontain@xbox-linux.sf.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 03:48 -!- caker-screen [~caker@webuser.xbox-linux.sf.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net] 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05:49 -!- paulproteus [foobar@128.220.38.127] has joined #linode 05:49 -!- caker-screen [~caker@webuser.xbox-linux.sf.net] has joined #linode 05:49 -!- tjfontaine [~tjfontain@xbox-linux.sf.net] has joined #linode 07:00 -!- YoSsSi [yepaa@80.102.71.219] has joined #linode 07:32 -!- YoSsSi [yepaa@80.102.71.219] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:51 -!- paulproteus [foobar@128.220.38.127] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:59 -!- quik is now known as Quik 08:00 < Quik> o/ 10:08 < mikegrb> heh 10:08 * mikegrb sold another linode :D 11:10 -!- yosssi [yepaa@80.103.7.233] has joined #linode 11:28 -!- Artifex [~Arti@dhcp065-025-115-230.neo.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 513 seconds] 11:44 -!- yosssi [yepaa@80.103.7.233] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31 < Quik> there a referral scheme online or something? 12:37 < mikegrb> not yet 12:38 < mikegrb> I think caker was going to try to come up with something 12:46 < guinea-pig> yay it worked 12:46 < guinea-pig> http://parsed.net/stats/mrtg/ 12:46 < guinea-pig> oh whoops. wrong channel 12:46 < mikegrb> ;) 12:47 < mikegrb> don't forget to make a howto :) 12:47 < guinea-pig> i am not writing a howto on bash scripting! 12:47 < guinea-pig> (since i rewrote a friend's perl scritp i used to use in bash, so it runs in .07s instead of .14s) 12:48 < guinea-pig> bash builtins are hella fast 12:48 < mikegrb> heh 12:48 < mikegrb> well write a howto on putting the pieces together to get mrtg up and include the bash script 12:48 < guinea-pig> ${BLAH/a/b} is infinitely faster than echo $BLAH | sed "s/a/b/" 12:49 < mikegrb> heh 12:49 < guinea-pig> oh and the script isn't finished. 12:49 < guinea-pig> hehe 12:49 < mikegrb> well then once it is finished :) 12:49 < guinea-pig> nevah! 12:49 < Quik> (17:48:16) (@mikegrb) well write a howto on putting the pieces together to get mrtg up and include the bash script 12:49 < mikegrb> I like it though 12:50 < Quik> ^ would be handy indeed :) 12:50 < mikegrb> yes 12:50 < mikegrb> it's one of the things many people would find useful 12:50 < Quik> i tried to install it but fell over at the part where i needed to input the details of the community router, or something 12:50 < guinea-pig> it's tricky. in 2.4, i need disk_io from /proc/stat , on 2.6, /proc/diskstat, on 2.2, disk_rio from /proc/stat, etc 12:50 < Quik> although i'm probably not representative of the linode community ;) 12:51 < guinea-pig> Quik: you don't have to use snmp for mrtg 12:51 < guinea-pig> i don't 12:51 < guinea-pig> you can use an external script that returns 4 values 12:51 < guinea-pig> data1 12:51 < guinea-pig> data2 12:51 < guinea-pig> uptime 12:51 < Quik> i'm not a seasoned linux user though, so that doesn't mean much to me :x 12:51 < guinea-pig> hostname 12:51 * mikegrb would certainly give guinea-pig's mrtg howto a go 12:51 < mikegrb> ;) 12:52 * Quik nods 12:52 * Quik works on how-to of logging into the control panel \o/ 12:52 < mikegrb> heh 12:53 < mikegrb> guinea-pig: I couple of items abt your method... it doesn't use snmp and the script you are using executes fast... these are good things to help keep load down 12:53 < mikegrb> so sharing "the right way" amongst other linoders is good for you too 12:55 < guinea-pig> yes, but my "howto" would be "here's the script. here's my /etc/mrtg.cfg. modify it yourselves." 12:55 < guinea-pig> :P 12:55 < guinea-pig> i've no problem sharing 12:55 < mikegrb> well 12:55 < mikegrb> okay 12:55 < mikegrb> give me those and I'll do a writeup like I did for rdiff-backup 12:57 * Quik fluffles mikegrb 12:58 < mikegrb> fluggles? 12:58 < mikegrb> er 12:58 < mikegrb> fluffles? 12:58 * guinea-pig cleans up his script 12:58 < guinea-pig> you know 12:59 < Quik> you never seen fluffling before? 12:59 < guinea-pig> i can't write a bash script from scratch without providing a function showhelp () { ... } first 13:00 < guinea-pig> kinda limits the size of my scripts... if i can't envision the whole thing before i start 13:00 < mikegrb> heh 13:00 < guinea-pig> or at least come up with a small working version to start with, heh 13:00 * guinea-pig cleans it up 13:01 < guinea-pig> side note 13:01 < guinea-pig> you're familiar with cat <<-EOF 13:01 < guinea-pig> ... 13:01 < guinea-pig> EOF 13:01 < guinea-pig> in bash? 13:01 < mikegrb> yes, well not in bash but other stuffs 13:01 < guinea-pig> it doesn't work the way i'd've expected 13:02 < guinea-pig> it still parsed $(command's) 13:02 < guinea-pig> cat <<-EOF 13:02 < guinea-pig> $(basename $0) 13:02 < guinea-pig> EOF 13:02 < guinea-pig> still returned "mymrtg" 13:03 < mikegrb> hmm 13:03 < mikegrb> well 13:03 < guinea-pig> i'm not complaining. it's a neat trick 13:03 < mikegrb> yha 13:03 < mikegrb> right 13:03 < guinea-pig> saves on a couple echo $(basename $0)'s 13:03 < mikegrb> kind of like in perl you can force the behavior with <<"EOF" vs <<'EOF' 13:04 < guinea-pig> hmm 13:04 < guinea-pig> same here 13:04 < mikegrb> though I guess in bash you don't get a choice 13:05 < guinea-pig> never thought to try "EOF" 13:05 < mikegrb> oh putting it in parens? 13:05 < guinea-pig> quotes 13:05 < mikegrb> oh in perl vice 'EOF'? 13:05 < guinea-pig> yeah 13:05 < mikegrb> er 13:05 < mikegrb> quotes 13:05 < mikegrb> silly me 13:05 < guinea-pig> <<-"EOF" vs <<-EOF 13:05 < mikegrb> yha it's noce 13:05 < mikegrb> oh 13:05 < mikegrb> in bash 13:05 < mikegrb> too early 13:05 < guinea-pig> noting, EOF is irrelevant. you could use any string 13:05 < mikegrb> right 13:06 < guinea-pig> same in perl? 13:07 < mikegrb> yes 13:08 < mikegrb> I used it for html output in perl cgis 13:22 < guinea-pig> so i only save .024s on the df parts ... heh 13:22 * guinea-pig works on it some more 13:23 < mikegrb> :) 13:56 < guinea-pig> hahah 13:56 < guinea-pig> ${1:0:$[${#1} - 1 ]} <-- go ahead, guess 13:56 < mikegrb> I don't want to even try 13:57 < EFudd> that's ugly guinea 13:57 < guinea-pig> (length of $1 - 1) characters of $1, beginning at offset 0 13:58 < guinea-pig> i had it on three lines, but in an effort to clean things up :D 13:58 < caker> offset 0? 13:58 < guinea-pig> starting with the first character 13:58 < caker> why code for that? 13:58 < mikegrb> morning caker 13:58 < EFudd> exec (gcc -o foo < or something 13:58 < EFudd> :) 13:58 < mikegrb> I got another one :) 13:58 < caker> Good afternoon :) 13:59 < guinea-pig> you have to put in the offset 13:59 < guinea-pig> ${parameter:offset} 13:59 < guinea-pig> ${parameter:offset:length} 13:59 < caker> ahh 13:59 < mikegrb> er yha 13:59 < guinea-pig> i wanted to trim for length 13:59 < mikegrb> afternoon 14:03 < caker> Question for you guys .. 14:03 < caker> Was thinking about adding "total cpu usage" for all Linodes on your host, in the Host Summary 14:03 < Quik> sounds very handy 14:04 < caker> For a reference of how loaded the machine is 14:04 < Quik> like sometimes when my linode seems really slow to respond in ssh it'd be nice to see where the problem is 14:04 < caker> Also, I was wrong about it being avg cpu usage -- it's the actual number :) 14:04 < caker> Yeah 14:04 < caker> But, 14:04 < caker> It's the total for the month, so it will change very little just for the past few hrs 14:05 < caker> And also, when you "feel" the machine slowing, it's likely due to disk i/o 14:05 < caker> and the procs sit there doing nothing 14:05 < mikegrb> how about $linodetotal / $numoflinodes ie average for a linode on same host 14:06 < mikegrb> give a good idea of how good of an user one is 14:06 < caker> hmm 14:07 < Quik> ah right 14:07 < Quik> i current value would also be handy :) 14:07 < Quik> *a 14:07 < mikegrb> +- 14:07 < mikegrb> argh 14:07 < mikegrb> silly kbd 14:08 < caker> we could solve that problem with perhaps a load meter (low, med, high) 14:08 < caker> which would be accurate to the minute or so 14:09 < Quik> cool 14:10 < caker> Quik: what is your time zone? 14:10 < Quik> a total over the past month would not be so good imo, as it's likely to be low anyway isn't it? 14:10 < Quik> GMT 14:10 < caker> So you're on when most of the Linodes are cronning .. sry mate :) .. that's a big reason why I wanted to modify the default distros (to lighten the cron load) 14:12 < mikegrb> heh need a script that runs after image creation that sets the cron jobs to a random minute 14:12 < caker> I know it 14:12 < Quik> what time (GMT) do the cron jobs go for? 14:13 < caker> depends on the timezone of each Linode 14:13 < caker> But lets see 14:13 < caker> we're -6 GMT, so if something starts running at 02:00 that'd be 8:00am your time? (did I do that right)? 14:14 < Quik> what's the time there now? 14:14 < caker> heh 14:14 < caker> It would be 2:15 eastern time 14:14 < caker> 14:15 14:14 < Quik> GMT is +5 then 14:14 < caker> we're also on daylight savings time, so that's the extra hr 14:14 < caker> mb central is -6 14:14 < caker> yeah 14:14 < caker> eastern is -5 14:15 < Quik> i don't think the cron jobs are causing me any problems though, as i tend to see odd (but small) slowdowns at random times 14:15 < mikegrb> heh EDT is 6 (daylight savings time) 14:15 < Quik> nothing enough to worry about though 14:18 < guinea-pig> huzzah. 2.6 disk io added to script :D 14:18 < guinea-pig> 6? 14:18 < mikegrb> :) 14:18 < mikegrb> '6?'? 14:18 < guinea-pig> us east coast is CURRENTly UTC-0500 14:19 < caker> right 14:19 < mikegrb> ritht 14:19 < guinea-pig> in the summer it's UTC-0400 14:19 < mikegrb> er right 14:19 < mikegrb> ahh 4 , the other way around 14:19 < guinea-pig> heh 14:19 < caker> No one has used the 2.6 kernel I provided, because it won't boot unless you know a secret 14:19 < guinea-pig> caker: i know it won't boot :< 14:19 < mikegrb> a secret? 14:19 < guinea-pig> and i don't care. i'm making a complete script, not just for linode 14:19 < caker> In your config, set custom root param to "/dev/ubd0" 14:19 < mikegrb> oh 14:19 < guinea-pig> heh 14:20 < guinea-pig> you don't want people using it, i take it? 14:20 < caker> Hehe 14:20 < caker> I put it up there for me to test 14:20 < guinea-pig> well 14:20 < caker> and figured someone would ask if they really wanted it 14:20 < caker> But actually, it's a bug/change in 2.6 that I talked to Jeff about 14:20 < guinea-pig> i figured i was too sleep deprived, and my linode had been down for a rather long time already 14:20 < Quik> i wondered why it wasn't booting when i set it to that :/ 14:21 < caker> damn :) 14:21 < guinea-pig> i heard io is much better in 2.6, though 14:21 * mikegrb is using 2.6 on his laptop 14:21 < guinea-pig> something linked on slashdot... had pretty graphs of the various os' kernels 14:22 < guinea-pig> 3 bsds, linux 2.4, 2.6, and something else 14:22 < guinea-pig> i think it was slashdot 14:22 < guinea-pig> was sleep deprived then, come to think of it 14:22 < mikegrb> heh 14:22 < mikegrb> a constant state 14:24 < guinea-pig> so what's left 14:24 < guinea-pig> well, 2.2 disk io stats for one. /me doesn't give a damn 14:24 < mikegrb> heh 14:25 < guinea-pig> oh, lm-sensors would be nice. i used to have those 14:25 < guinea-pig> i still do, but i can't load the modules without locking u p 14:25 < mikegrb> heh 14:25 * mikegrb has lm-sensors on linode :o 14:25 < mikegrb> heh 14:25 < caker> lm sensors is a mess, but once you get it working it's fun 14:25 < mikegrb> returns constant temp 14:26 * mikegrb concurs with caker 14:26 < caker> mikegrb: are you kidding? 14:26 < mikegrb> using aspci on laptop 14:26 < mikegrb> caker indeed 14:26 < mikegrb> aspci is so much easier to get working then lm-sensors 14:26 * guinea-pig writes an lm-sensors script. it returns "your system has not melted" 14:27 < caker> hehe 14:27 < mikegrb> though it only has the cpu temp and not sys temp which would be nice on laptop 14:27 < guinea-pig> if your system melts, it won't return 14:27 < guinea-pig> yeah 14:27 < guinea-pig> nice 14:27 < caker> lol 14:27 < guinea-pig> i used to be such a stats freak 14:27 < caker> it's addictive 14:27 < guinea-pig> i even bought a peltier cooler for my k6-3 to make my graphs prettier 14:28 < mikegrb> heh 14:28 < guinea-pig> of course, i killed the chip 14:28 < mikegrb> I put a peltier in a 486 14:28 < caker> Arctic Silver 14:28 < guinea-pig> and then the k6-2 i replaced it with rusted from condensation 14:28 < mikegrb> but that was because it had heat problems 14:28 < caker> guinea-pig: wow! (condensation) 14:28 < mikegrb> I didn't feel lake changing sink again 14:28 < guinea-pig> well 14:28 < guinea-pig> when the box was idle for any period 14:28 < mikegrb> heh 14:28 < guinea-pig> the cpu got ... rather cold 14:29 < guinea-pig> and we all know linux idles so much better than windows 14:29 < guinea-pig> like, 20 degrees better 14:29 < mikegrb> heh 14:29 < guinea-pig> oh so anyway 14:29 < caker> here's a poll for you -- how many fans are in audible range of you, right now? 14:30 < caker> only 4 for me (one computer) at the moment 14:30 < mikegrb> hmmm 14:30 < mikegrb> 3 14:30 < mikegrb> (the xbox is off or it would be 4) 14:30 < mikegrb> 2 laptops and ps2 14:31 < mikegrb> the ps2 is so loud 14:35 < guinea-pig> 4 14:36 < guinea-pig> two p3 xeons, power supply, video card 14:36 < guinea-pig> new video card. fan is too loud :< 14:36 < guinea-pig> http://parsed.net/mrtg-data/ 14:36 < guinea-pig> should be good enough. please test :) 14:36 < caker> 404 14:36 < mikegrb> hmm 14:36 < mikegrb> 404 14:36 < mikegrb> not good enough :p 14:36 < guinea-pig> oh hah 14:36 < caker> looks good 14:36 < guinea-pig> /stats/mrtg-data 14:37 < mikegrb> :) 14:38 < mikegrb> output looks good to 14:38 < mikegrb> too 14:38 * mikegrb wgets 14:39 < guinea-pig> only problem i've really ever had with bash builtins is it only can do integer math. 14:39 < mikegrb> btw if you guys haven't used 'keychain' mentioned in an ibm developer works article I highly recomend it 14:39 < mikegrb> it stores ssh keys 14:39 < guinea-pig> so instead of doing "$LOADAVG * 100" i just do "${LOADAVG/./} (get rid of the ".") 14:39 < mikegrb> so you don't have to type passphrase all the time 14:40 < guinea-pig> um 14:40 < guinea-pig> i use .ssh/authorised_keys ? 14:40 < mikegrb> well right works with that 14:40 < mikegrb> you can use passworded keys though 14:40 < guinea-pig> oh true 14:41 < mikegrb> you type the passphrase once and the decrypted private key is cached in mem 14:41 < guinea-pig> speaking of which... my apache-ssl prompts for a password. holds up the system boot 14:41 < guinea-pig> drives me mad 14:41 < guinea-pig> hehe 14:41 < caker> if you make unencrypted version of your cert it won't do that (I think) 14:41 < mikegrb> ah 14:41 < mikegrb> right 14:42 < guinea-pig> caker: i know. i was just following directions, and didn't realise it'd be an issue until the next reboot 14:42 < guinea-pig> and .. i'll fix it now while i'm thinking about it :D 14:42 * mikegrb likes the bash script 14:42 < guinea-pig> yay 14:43 < guinea-pig> most results return in ~0.04s, or 0.1s if it's gotta do more externally than run cat 14:43 < caker> That's the one you've worked to resolve, that I don't like about gathering statistics 14:43 < guinea-pig> the perl version was a minimum of ~0.14s for everything 14:43 < guinea-pig> heh 14:43 < caker> launches like 20 processes just go cat grep awk 14:43 < caker> one stat 14:43 < guinea-pig> that's why i love bash builtins 14:43 < mikegrb> yha gotta load perl interpreter and stuff 14:44 < caker> and for remote monitoring, it's all under ssh, too... 14:44 < guinea-pig> when you're repeating an action several thousand times, in a cat file | while read loop, even .001s can add up 14:45 < guinea-pig> i ran a few bash scripts with a friend on the freedb 14:45 < guinea-pig> couple years ago 14:45 < caker> rrdtool is great, but everything (by default) is setup as separate execs for each stat 14:45 < guinea-pig> mine finished 4 hours quicker :) 14:45 < caker> most of them are perl scripts 14:45 < caker> er wait 14:45 < caker> what's the web-front end 14:45 < guinea-pig> mm 14:45 < caker> cacti 14:46 < caker> cacti is nice 14:46 < caker> heard of it? 14:46 < guinea-pig> i have now 14:46 < caker> http://www.raxnet.net/ 14:46 < guinea-pig> requires mysql and php, though. that's asking a lot of a user who just wants a few stats 14:47 < caker> hmm 14:47 < guinea-pig> oh 14:47 * guinea-pig adds a version number to his script 14:48 < caker> Anyone into nagios? 14:49 < mikegrb> nagios? 14:49 < mikegrb> hmm 14:49 * mikegrb emerges mrtg at home 14:51 < mikegrb> got someone to get a linode who is newish to linux : 14:51 < mikegrb> er :) 14:51 < caker> red flag 14:51 < mikegrb> ? 14:51 < mikegrb> he understands linux 14:51 < mikegrb> just hasn't admin'ed a box 14:52 < mikegrb> just has it on his xbox at home 14:52 < caker> Early on, I had a lot of problems with fraudulent signups 14:52 < guinea-pig> unless you count running my own home network and whatnot, i haven't either :P 14:52 < guinea-pig> caker: ouch 14:52 < caker> and they would run me through the ringer asking dumb ass questions 14:52 < mikegrb> ahh 14:53 < mikegrb> this was 'wap' wapxp.com... from france 14:53 < caker> mikegrb: ahh, sry, though you were talking about you_wish guy on the forum 14:53 < caker> Cool, zap seemed like a nice guy 14:53 < caker> er, wap 14:53 < guinea-pig> you_wish? i don't like his name already 14:54 < mikegrb> heh 14:54 < mikegrb> yes I saw that guy on the forums 14:54 < mikegrb> I don't think it is the same one though 14:54 < caker> no, different ppl 14:55 < mikegrb> good 14:55 * mikegrb sighs in relief 14:55 < caker> One funny transcript from the same fraudulent guy: 14:55 < caker> "How do I repair my filesystem" 14:55 < caker> a: "you use fsck" 14:55 < guinea-pig> b: "die" 14:55 < caker> response: ok, I'll try to fsck myself 14:56 < mikegrb> heh 14:56 * caker deactivates the acct 14:57 < guinea-pig> bug in my script. load avg is horribly wrong 14:58 < caker> That graphic made me look twice .. loadavg over # running procs 14:58 < guinea-pig> no it's not... just being graphed weird 14:58 * guinea-pig inspects his mrtg.cfg 14:58 < guinea-pig> the log looks fine 14:59 < guinea-pig> oh wait. i'm looking at the wrong page, too 15:00 < guinea-pig> nevermind. the load page is fine 15:00 < guinea-pig> the load is load * 100, to keep it on the same scale as the number of processes 15:02 < mikegrb> where does rateup get called from 15:02 < guinea-pig> internally by mrtg? 15:02 < mikegrb> hmm okay 15:03 < mikegrb> ahh 15:04 < guinea-pig> rateup is just the time consuming bits of mrtg coded as C 15:04 < mikegrb> errors this first run but good after that 15:04 < guinea-pig> while the rest is still perl 15:04 < guinea-pig> oh yes. always errors the first two runs 15:04 < mikegrb> heh 15:04 < mikegrb> better now 15:04 < guinea-pig> missing data and backup data 15:04 * mikegrb hasn't used mrtg before 15:04 < guinea-pig> heh 15:04 < guinea-pig> i used to be *so* addicted 15:04 < mikegrb> I assume you call it from cron every x minutes? 15:05 < guinea-pig> the debian package defaults to every 5 minutes 15:05 < mikegrb> ahh 15:05 < mikegrb> okay 15:05 < mikegrb> well thanks 15:05 < guinea-pig> mrtg won't update the graphs more often than that 15:05 < mikegrb> :) 15:05 < guinea-pig> on the hourly graph, each horizontal pixel is 5m 15:05 * mikegrb will put together a little howto then :) 15:05 < guinea-pig> one suggestion, advise people to let it run a little while before proclaiming it doesn't work :) 15:06 < guinea-pig> the weekly/monthly/annual bits will look empty for quite some time 15:06 < mikegrb> indeed 15:06 * mikegrb emerges mrtg on linode 15:08 < guinea-pig> also, some people might not prefer to use the 'growright' option in mrtg.cfg. i like the graph to grow from the right, not the left (which is default) 15:09 < guinea-pig> *shrug* 15:09 < mikegrb> right makes sense :) 15:09 < mikegrb> I wont even mention it ;) 15:10 < guinea-pig> heh, ok 15:11 < EFudd> http://www.dd.org/~tale/miscpics/abstinence.jpg 15:11 < EFudd> growright . * 15:11 * mikegrb is playing trivia game in #moocows 15:11 < EFudd> er > * 15:12 < caker> EFudd: are they saying engineers can't get laid? 15:12 < guinea-pig> that must make me an engineer, then 15:12 < EFudd> unsure. 15:14 < EFudd> heh. 15:43 < EFudd> damn 15:43 < EFudd> my linode just went seriously iobound :/ 15:43 < caker> EFudd: host6? 15:44 < EFudd> yeah. i was starting up a download of alias which allocates a 600MBish file 15:44 < caker> ahh 15:44 < EFudd> that alloc killed all response until the IO finished 15:44 < caker> yeah, looks flat now 15:44 < EFudd> -nods- was very temporary but noticable as my response -ended- until io completed 15:44 < sunny> my linode randomly shutdown last nite ... 15:45 < caker> sunny: crashed? 15:45 < sunny> beats me, its never crashed randomly 15:46 < caker> rotate logs ran probably? 15:46 < caker> You said you had problems with /dev/kmem? 15:46 < sunny> yes 15:46 < sunny> but its never happen before ... 15:46 < caker> and restarting syslog hits /dev/kmem? 15:46 < caker> (you mentioned that earlier) 15:46 < sunny> yes ... but its never happened before ... which is what makes it interesting ... 15:47 < sunny> and my logs have been rotated plenty before 15:47 < mikegrb> new trivia game in #moocows :) 15:58 < EFudd> i think there needs to be a special IO Scheduler designe dfor UML only systems. :) 15:58 < EFudd> host IO that is. since it's ultimatley a single process on the host that's requesting the IO 15:58 < EFudd> and can block 15:58 < EFudd> resulting in blocking of all other ops under the UML 15:58 < caker> There's an async I/O thread for each UML 15:59 < caker> but another problem is redundant caching, and wasted memory .. 15:59 < EFudd> interesting........ 15:59 < caker> Plus, the problems with 2.4.*'s I/O are compounded 15:59 < caker> within UML, and then the host 16:08 < EFudd> hrm 16:08 < EFudd> yeah, difficult thing to get right for all variables 16:14 < EFudd> http://forever.broked.net/~jason ... dunno if i psoted link here 16:17 < caker> nice profile 16:17 < caker> specs? engine size, output, etc? 16:18 < EFudd> 405hp, 349ci 16:18 < EFudd> 0-60mph in 3.9s 16:18 < EFudd> 60mph-0 in 103ft 16:18 < EFudd> 1G latteral acceleration( ie, skidpad holding) 16:19 < mikegrb> :) 16:20 < EFudd> mm 16:20 < EFudd> i think i'm doing like 4mbit atm 16:20 * EFudd hopes this download finishes soon 16:20 < mikegrb> one more game come play EFudd 16:21 < mikegrb> #moocows 16:21 < EFudd> playing EQ atm 16:21 < mikegrb> oic 16:21 < mikegrb> heh 16:22 < EFudd> <- addict 16:22 * caker gives you 1000 platinum bars 16:23 < EFudd> cheapskate 16:23 < caker> heh 16:23 < EFudd> i got in the LOE beta yesterday 16:23 < EFudd> interesting game. but I suck at RTS 16:23 * guinea-pig decides to upgrade his linode 16:24 < EFudd> don't do it ! 16:24 * mikegrb did it 16:24 < EFudd> fok guaranteed CPU/mem 16:24 < EFudd> I want guaranteed disk IO! /snicker :) 16:24 * guinea-pig did it 16:25 < EFudd> i started out with a 192 :P 16:25 < EFudd> not much upgrading avail 16:26 < EFudd> the bottom of the form said "Select this checkbox if you'd like ckaer to be your friend for $60/mo." 16:26 < EFudd> s/ckaer/caker/ 16:26 < guinea-pig> how's the friendship? 16:26 < caker> hah 16:26 < EFudd> well, not great 16:26 < mikegrb> heh 16:27 < EFudd> he threatens to reboot me when i talk to him 16:27 * caker pimps himself 16:27 < guinea-pig> you didn't select the 'christmas bonus' option 16:27 < EFudd> DOH 16:27 < guinea-pig> where you put aside $5/week to give him in december 16:27 < EFudd> | 16:27 < EFudd> | dl speed: 237.0 KB/s | 16:27 < EFudd> | ul speed: 397.0 KB/s 16:27 < EFudd> this is unfair. I want Alias faster tahn I give it to someone else! 16:27 < guinea-pig> caker: i presume you can " 16:28 < guinea-pig> "migrate" me to a linode 128 server? 16:28 < caker> guinea-pig: which host are you on now? 16:28 < EFudd> kill -9, migrate np! 16:28 < guinea-pig> guess :P 16:28 < guinea-pig> ok. don't. host7 16:29 < guinea-pig> did you ever figure out what was actually wrong with host4? 16:30 < caker> guinea-pig: do you care to move datacenters? 16:30 < EFudd> mmmm he.net ! 16:30 < caker> guinea-pig: I'm waiting to see if it crashes w/ the existing/old setup until 30 days 16:30 < guinea-pig> huh 16:30 < caker> guinea-pig: then I'm going to stress test w/ current setup, and then upgrade kernel and stress test that 16:31 < guinea-pig> caker: not really. it's only a 40ms difference for me 16:31 < guinea-pig> :) 16:31 < guinea-pig> i mean, i don't mind 16:31 < EFudd> he has better overlal connctivity tho :) 16:31 < guinea-pig> EFudd: that's what i was wondering 16:31 < caker> guinea-pig: ok, ready to do it now? 16:31 < EFudd> service++ ! 16:32 < guinea-pig> well, not quite 16:32 -!- iguinea-pg [~orion@68.118.241.31] has joined #linode 16:32 -!- guinea-pig [orion@64.5.53.199] has quit [Quit: bye...] 16:32 -!- iguinea-pg is now known as guinea-pig 16:32 * guinea-pig executes a shutdown 16:32 < mikegrb> heh 16:33 < EFudd> make sure you byte swap his image on the move 16:33 < guinea-pig> hah 16:33 < caker> no sweat 16:33 < EFudd> it'll make it more interesting 16:33 < guinea-pig> wot 16:33 < guinea-pig> i hit shutdown and it rebooted 16:34 < guinea-pig> had just gotten to the login: prompt, when it got hit with the Emergency Sync's 16:34 < guinea-pig> so.. yeah, ready i guess :) 16:34 < mikegrb> heh 16:34 < mikegrb> heh 16:34 < guinea-pig> say it again 16:34 < mikegrb> caker: byte swap twice 16:35 < mikegrb> ;) 16:35 < guinea-pig> heh 16:35 < EFudd> rot13 and byteswap 2x, for fun. 16:35 < guinea-pig> and throw a couple rot13's 16:35 * EFudd nods 16:35 < guinea-pig> now that's encryption nobody can crack! 16:35 < caker> guinea-pig: still want the extra disk space? 16:35 < guinea-pig> no, 4g is fine 16:35 < caker> k 16:35 < guinea-pig> can you add an IP? 16:36 < guinea-pig> or should i just go through the web interface :P 16:36 < mikegrb> EFudd: well it can be broke, but that violates dmca so you are fine 16:36 < EFudd> heh heh 16:36 < caker> web interface after you make the move 16:36 < guinea-pig> no problem 16:36 < EFudd> i'm such a pirate 16:36 < EFudd> i download tv shows that are publicly broadcast cause i don't own a tv 16:36 < guinea-pig> arrr 16:36 * EFudd sighs and waits for FBI 16:36 < mikegrb> heh 16:37 < caker> guinea-pig: logout and log back in to see the pending migration 16:37 < guinea-pig> i download shows that i've taped on my vcr. i feel that makes it fair use :P 16:37 -!- mikegrb is now known as FBI 16:37 * FBI has found EFudd 16:37 * EFudd reports mike for impersonation 16:37 * FBI arrests EFudd 16:37 -!- FBI is now known as mikegrb 16:37 < guinea-pig> excellent 16:37 < mikegrb> :) 16:38 < guinea-pig> Status: Success 16:38 < EFudd> mmm painless 16:38 < caker> um 16:38 < caker> wait up a sec 16:39 < EFudd> once caker becomes a bigshot and /nick's to CAKER, you'll have to wait 2mo's for such transfers! 16:39 < mikegrb> heh 16:39 < mikegrb> indeed 16:39 < guinea-pig> ok 16:39 * guinea-pig waits 16:40 < guinea-pig> oh hmm. 1 second migrations aren't right 16:42 * guinea-pig realises he should've backed up first 16:42 < EFudd> haha :) 16:42 < mikegrb> heh 16:42 < EFudd> er, you didn't want a fresh install on a new machine? 16:43 < guinea-pig> a fresh install would still take longer than the 1s the queue sait it took 16:44 < mikegrb> lol 16:45 < caker> funny :) 16:45 < caker> host key issue -- all better 16:46 * guinea-pig wipes the sweat off 16:46 < EFudd> now your own host keys willb e futzered prolly 16:46 < caker> "host7" vs "host7.linode.com" 16:46 < guinea-pig> at least it wasn't "migrate; delete; make sure it migrated ok" 16:47 < caker> heh 16:47 < guinea-pig> that 16:47 < guinea-pig> that's what i was getting worried about 16:47 < caker> or: scp host7:file host7:file 16:47 < guinea-pig> heh 16:47 < guinea-pig> evil 16:47 < caker> yeah 16:47 < EFudd> hmm 16:47 < EFudd> that'd actually work i think 16:47 < caker> EFudd: it does 16:47 < guinea-pig> so i'm costing you 3G of bandwidth on both ends now... don't you hate that? 16:48 < caker> Nah .. via your IP's 16:48 < caker> j/k 16:48 < guinea-pig> haha 16:48 < guinea-pig> man i love arizona iced tea 16:48 < guinea-pig> i'm going to make chain mail from the bottle caps! 16:49 < mikegrb> heh 16:49 < caker> guinea-pig: i updated your rdns to your new ip, too 16:49 < guinea-pig> all my rennie friends will love me 16:49 < guinea-pig> caker: i got a new ip? 16:49 < caker> guinea-pig: A different one -- switched datacenters 16:49 < guinea-pig> ok 16:50 < guinea-pig> wow. you're up to li3 now 16:50 < EFudd> damn. service+++ 16:50 * guinea-pig gives caker a cookie 16:50 < caker> yum 16:50 < Quik> :o 16:50 < Quik> free upgrades? 16:50 < EFudd> he pre-dipped it in milk tho 16:50 < mikegrb> heh 16:50 < mikegrb> yha Quik 16:50 < EFudd> quik, yah, free upgrades with every purchase of an upgrade via the website 16:50 < mikegrb> come back 2nnd tuesday of next week 16:50 < caker> lol 16:51 < guinea-pig> mmm, mad magazine game 16:51 < guinea-pig> there's a card that says "this card can only be played on tuesdays" 16:51 < EFudd> folk used to ask me how i was doing a lot.. 16:51 < guinea-pig> and i've yet to see the game played on tuesdays 16:51 < EFudd> i always responded "Great, unlesss it's tuesday." 16:51 < guinea-pig> ... or was it thursdays? 16:51 < Quik> :( 16:52 < EFudd> "Free meal on Tuesdays!" 16:52 < EFudd> "Open M, W,T, F, S, S." 16:52 < guinea-pig> hey, your tuesday is broken! 16:58 * mikegrb can't reach parsed.net from his linode 16:58 < guinea-pig> heh 16:58 < guinea-pig> in progress :P 16:58 < guinea-pig> damn. it's gonna take a while, eh? 16:59 < guinea-pig> 128M:5::2.7G:? 16:59 < mikegrb> over 28.8 even 17:00 < guinea-pig> mm, hot soup. bbiab 17:00 < mikegrb> heh okie 17:00 < guinea-pig> (i'm glad i never changed the refresh/expire times for DNS after my last migration!) 17:00 < mikegrb> heh oh 17:00 < mikegrb> that's right 17:00 < mikegrb> 17:00 < caker> guinea-pig: 500mb of the second image xfered already, for reference 17:00 < guinea-pig> caker: k, thanks 17:01 < mikegrb> heh 17:01 < mikegrb> guinea-pig: I forgot 17:01 < guinea-pig> so another half-hour, or so, should be fine 17:01 < mikegrb> scp'ing it from home 17:01 < guinea-pig> mikegrb: what? 17:01 < guinea-pig> heh 17:01 * guinea-pig is away.. dinner and a movie ..(log+page) 17:01 < mikegrb> the mrtg config and script 17:01 < mikegrb> have fun 17:04 < guinea-pig> hehe. still playing around with that? 17:04 < caker> guinea-pig: it's using inline gzip compression, so it might go faster towards the empty space 17:04 < guinea-pig> caker: good point. 17:04 < caker> guinea-pig: *if* it's zeroed still 17:04 < guinea-pig> i should refer to the mrtg images that i can't access to see how much free space i had 17:05 < guinea-pig> caker: should be. it was a fresh resize recently 17:06 * guinea-pig prepares to watch the matrix on his computer for the first time 17:10 < mikegrb> heh 17:10 < mikegrb> lol 17:10 < mikegrb> re the mrtg 17:28 -!- dvl_ [dvl666stn@dial81-131-34-162.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #linode 17:30 * mikegrb got mrtg setup now :) 17:31 < mikegrb> now to make overview page :) 17:31 < guinea-pig> w00t 17:31 < guinea-pig> indexmaker /etc/mrtg.conf :) 17:31 < mikegrb> guinea-pig: it was pretty damn easy with your stuff 17:31 < mikegrb> oh :) 17:31 < guinea-pig> mikegrb: cool 17:31 < mikegrb> spiffy 17:31 < guinea-pig> that's the word 17:32 < guinea-pig> y0 17:32 < mikegrb> bad ass 17:32 < mikegrb> :) 17:32 < guinea-pig> haHA! 17:32 * mikegrb will write up a doc tonight :) 17:32 < mikegrb> heh 17:32 < mikegrb> heidi is very much getting into the trivia game in #moocows 17:32 < mikegrb> she is yelling 'n stuff 17:33 < heidi> so 17:33 < guinea-pig> friend of yours? :P 17:34 < mikegrb> sortof 17:34 < mikegrb> wife 17:37 * mikegrb waits for pretty graphs 17:45 < caker> guinea-pig: 2.2gb on disk2 17:54 < guinea-pig> caker: heh, i've given up watching the status that closely :P 17:54 < mikegrb> heh 17:55 < guinea-pig> but xine just died, so i've also given up on watching the matrix 17:55 < guinea-pig> eject 17:55 < guinea-pig> d'oh 17:55 < mikegrb> heh 17:56 * mikegrb watches the graphs get prettier by the minute(*5) 17:57 < guinea-pig> hehe 17:57 < guinea-pig> i hate waiting for them to fill up 18:09 < guinea-pig> heh 18:09 < guinea-pig> migration finished 18:09 < mikegrb> heh indeed 18:09 < caker> yeah 18:09 < guinea-pig> and the overview page is telling me 18:09 < guinea-pig> Linode Status 18:09 < guinea-pig> Your Linode is currently 18:09 < guinea-pig> Brand New 18:09 < caker> bout an hour and a half for 3 gb 18:09 < guinea-pig> for future reference, eh? 18:10 < caker> do'h 18:10 < mikegrb> heh 18:10 < caker> no compression on those xfers ... 18:10 < guinea-pig> no wonder 18:10 < mikegrb> http://thegrebs.com/stats/ 18:11 < mikegrb> tha's what the howto will look like 18:11 < mikegrb> outuput anyway 18:11 < mikegrb> oh 18:11 * guinea-pig updates /etc/network/interfaces 18:11 < mikegrb> guinea-pig: I'm gonna change the script so it doesn't count buffers and cahce for mem 18:11 < mikegrb> unless you want to do it ;) 18:11 < guinea-pig> mikegrb: i debated that 18:11 < mikegrb> http://thegrebs.com/sysinfo 18:11 < mikegrb> xbox/xbox 18:11 < mikegrb> shows the dif 18:12 < guinea-pig> but i just went for the original version from my friend 18:12 < mikegrb> it's more telling to not include it 18:12 < mikegrb> gives a better indication of what is going on 18:13 < guinea-pig> yeah 18:13 < mikegrb> I did have to hack phpsysinfo to display it my way 18:13 < mikegrb> was funny though 18:13 * guinea-pig will fix as soon as he gets eth0 up 18:13 < mikegrb> there was a comment in there "this really shouldn't count buffers and cache but I get so much email abuot it being wrong and too low that I count it" 18:13 < mikegrb> something along those lines 18:14 < guinea-pig> heh 18:14 * guinea-pig runs make in /etc/bind 18:15 < mikegrb> :) 18:16 < caker> guinea-pig: migration ok? 18:16 < guinea-pig> caker: seems to be :) 18:16 < caker> cool 18:16 < mikegrb> even more free space, eh ;) 18:16 < mikegrb> you on host 10 now? 18:16 < guinea-pig> caker: you surprised? hehe 18:16 < guinea-pig> yeah 18:17 < caker> guinea-pig: nope, do these every day ;) 18:17 < caker> not so often dc to dc tho 18:17 < mikegrb> heh 18:17 * mikegrb moved 18:17 < mikegrb> but 9 -> 10 18:18 < guinea-pig> d'oh 18:19 < guinea-pig> the console screen is doing it's thing again ^A^D doesn't detach. it re-attaches 18:19 < mikegrb> once I have a day I'll prob switch mrtg to 10 minutes 18:19 < mikegrb> hmm 18:19 < mikegrb> or at least not even intervals 18:19 < mikegrb> like 3,8,13,etc 18:19 < mikegrb> it seems pretty light on the load 18:20 < guinea-pig> it'd be lighter if i rewrote the bash version in C :P 18:20 < guinea-pig> or hell, if the rest of mrtg were in C 18:21 < mikegrb> heh 18:21 < mikegrb> hmmm 18:22 < guinea-pig> d'oh 18:23 < guinea-pig> i should've been updating my nameservers with my registrar whil the migration was going on 18:23 < mikegrb> heh 18:23 < mikegrb> indeed 18:23 < guinea-pig> *shrug* i shouldn't have to worry about this sort of thing for a while now, unless linode goes bust :D 18:25 < guinea-pig> 18:25 < guinea-pig> 18:25 < guinea-pig> Update Successful. Please allow 24-72 hours for propagation 18:25 < caker> who's nameservers do you use? 18:26 < guinea-pig> my own, and a friend's in .au 18:27 < caker> too bad the one in au isn't responding (if its ns3) 18:27 < guinea-pig> heh 18:27 < guinea-pig> he's shuffled his hardware around so much in the last year 18:27 < guinea-pig> (it is) 18:27 < guinea-pig> not to mention the house where house.cx was burned down 18:28 < guinea-pig> besides. it's in .au, so you might have to wait an hour for a response :P 18:30 -!- guinea-pig [~orion@68.118.241.31] has quit [Quit: bye...] 18:30 -!- guinea-pig [orion@li3-94.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 18:30 -!- mode/#linode [+o guinea-pig] by ChanServ 18:30 -!- dvl_ [dvl666stn@dial81-131-34-162.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has quit [Quit: ircN 7.27 + 7.0 for mIRC (2002/01/10 00.00)] 18:37 < guinea-pig> [18:35] you can't just blindly subtract the page cache and call it your free memory, beause lots of stuff in the page cache is mapped by programs, such as libraries and whatnot 18:37 < guinea-pig> [18:36] to the best of my knowlege, at least 18:37 < guinea-pig> [18:36] maybe not 'lots' but a fair bit 18:37 < guinea-pig> [18:36] in fact, the program text is in the page cache too, now that i think of it 18:37 < guinea-pig> hmm 18:37 < mikegrb> interesting 18:39 < guinea-pig> i'll make a seperate module. 18:40 < caker> there's "free", "buffer", and "cache" .. 18:40 < caker> you can't get rid of cache .. 18:40 < mikegrb> but buffer? 18:40 < caker> buffer is the only one you could "get rid of" in stats 18:41 < caker> it depends, really 18:41 -!- Quik is now known as quik 18:41 < guinea-pig> buffer tends to be small amounts, too 18:41 < caker> cache is where everything runs out of 18:42 < caker> so cache+swap used would be a good indication of how much memory is used, before buffers 18:42 < guinea-pig> 's what i thought 18:43 * mikegrb learns 18:48 -!- dvl_ [~dvl666stn@dial81-135-11-219.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #linode 18:49 < mikegrb> well with just buffers subtracted I'm at 43% 18:49 < mikegrb> rather then just under 100% 18:50 < caker> 60% is buffered? 18:50 < caker> do vmstat 1 and give us a line or two (but not the first line, it's always wrong) 18:51 < mikegrb> okay 18:52 < mikegrb> 0 0 53108 8324 8080 47824 4 0 8 0 66 74 2 0 98 0 18:52 < mikegrb> 0 0 53108 8316 8088 47824 0 0 0 88 77 56 0 0 100 0 18:53 < caker> r b swap free buff cache 18:53 < mikegrb> yes 18:53 < caker> r b swap free buff cache 18:53 < guinea-pig> hmm. weird. mrtg-data inet eth0 isn't working on host10 18:54 < mikegrb> hmm working for me guinea-pig 18:54 < caker> did eth0 device change? 18:54 < caker> device # as was mentioned in the forums recently? 18:54 < guinea-pig> mikegrb: in /proc/net/dev, do any of your interfaces start on the first character of the line? 18:55 < mikegrb> ipddp0 18:56 < guinea-pig> damn. i was hoping that's what changed 18:56 < mikegrb> oot@orion os # /usr/local/bin/mrtg-data inet eth0 18:56 < mikegrb> 329714787 18:56 < mikegrb> 1204800994 18:56 < mikegrb> etc 18:57 < guinea-pig> hehehe, orion 18:57 < guinea-pig> :) 18:58 < guinea-pig> [orion@thor(~)] 18:58 < guinea-pig> anyway, fixed 18:59 < mikegrb> heh 18:59 < mikegrb> caker I dunno maybe phpmysysinfo is messed up 19:00 < mikegrb> shows 67m free with buffers subtracted 19:00 < mikegrb> oh 19:00 < mikegrb> maybe I subtracted cache ? 19:00 < mikegrb> // I don't like this since buffers and cache really aren't 19:00 < mikegrb> // 'used' per say, but I get too many emails about it. 19:00 < mikegrb> there's the comment though 19:01 < caker> that's bs 19:01 < mikegrb> heh 19:01 < mikegrb> I was subtracting cache instead of buffers 19:01 < mikegrb> now 88% used 19:01 < mikegrb> makes more sense 19:11 -!- dvl_ [~dvl666stn@dial81-135-11-219.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has quit [Quit: ircN 7.27 + 7.0 for mIRC (2002/01/10 00.00)] 19:20 < guinea-pig> now the big question is how does a linode handle its first slashdotting? 19:20 < guinea-pig> (i'm surprised i've not seen linode mentioned there yet) 19:20 < caker> me too :) 19:21 < guinea-pig> hehe 19:21 < caker> I think a Linode has a better chance than linode.com does 19:21 < guinea-pig> press release? :D 19:21 < caker> of surviving a /.ing 19:21 < guinea-pig> ah, true 19:21 < caker> Linode.com is on an ageing machine 19:22 < guinea-pig> no results for 'linode' in articles, comments, journals, etc 19:22 * mikegrb writes up the marvelous masterpeice that will soon be posted on slashdot 19:22 < mikegrb> ahh 19:22 * mikegrb puts up a please slashdot this page for 'research' 19:22 * caker grovels to mikegrb 19:23 < mikegrb> with a paypal link for bandwidth money donations :) 19:23 < caker> no kidding 19:23 < mikegrb> that might be an interesting idea 19:23 < caker> One of the linodes did get a /. not too long ago, I believe 19:23 < mikegrb> more for seeing how many people donate 19:23 < caker> didn't hear much about it, so I think it did ok, but I doubt it was the full force... 19:23 < mikegrb> the 200gb one? 19:23 < caker> haha no 19:24 < mikegrb> oh 19:24 < mikegrb> so if by some chance I hit 200gb out of the blue... do you do payment plans? I mean I know you have your expenses to make but as long as you have enough to pay your bills...? 19:25 < caker> I'm probably going to do something like that with this guy, so yesd 19:25 < caker> er, yes 19:25 < mikegrb> $600 == a lot 19:25 < caker> but if you went over next month, then you'd owe the previous in full 19:25 < caker> something like that 19:25 < mikegrb> heh 19:25 < mikegrb> yha 19:25 < caker> well, the more we use, the cheaper I can get stuff 19:26 < caker> kind of twisted 19:26 < mikegrb> and putting up a please slashdot me page is kinda asking for it 19:26 < mikegrb> yha 19:26 < caker> Um, yeah :) 19:26 < mikegrb> bulk :) 19:26 < caker> it's a rip off and makes me mad because I know it doesn't cost them anything .. 19:26 < mikegrb> heh 19:26 * caker needs his own dc 19:26 < mikegrb> someday 19:26 < mikegrb> :) 19:27 * mikegrb sees caker being a tier one provider in the future ;) 19:27 < caker> heh 19:27 < caker> not sure that's my gig 19:27 < mikegrb> ahh 19:27 < mikegrb> you'll just own it 19:27 < caker> heh 19:27 < mikegrb> and profit from it 19:27 < mikegrb> oh I had an idea earlier 19:27 < caker> erm? 19:28 < mikegrb> probably more of a neat idea then plausible the logistics of it suck unless your colo providers already offer such a service you can markup a bit and resell 19:28 < caker> ok 19:28 < mikegrb> some sort of optical media burning option in the members site, for one people could ask for a cp of thier rootfs to be burned to disk 19:29 < mikegrb> but more compex, a dir tree or file stored in it could be requested 19:29 < mikegrb> like for guinea-pig or EFudd who ever it wwas tthat was dl'ing alias 19:30 < mikegrb> wap has only dialup I know it would be nifty for people in sim conditions to dl to linode and get a dvd-r/cd-r in the mail 19:30 < caker> ask for the cp of their root fs to be sent to them on CD ? 19:30 < mikegrb> yha 19:30 < mikegrb> liike I said logistics suck 19:30 < mikegrb> more of a neat idea 19:30 < caker> Right 19:30 < caker> CD's wouldn't help much, since most are larger (after compression) .. 19:30 < caker> I guess you could do multiple cds 19:30 < caker> and merge em 19:31 < caker> Or download it 19:31 < mikegrb> if he offered optiacal media burns via some sort of autmated system it wuold be much more plausible 19:31 < caker> but they can do that already 19:31 < mikegrb> yha 19:31 < mikegrb> that would be nifty 19:31 < mikegrb> able to dl the loopback file itself 19:31 < mikegrb> yha kinda pointless for cd-r type size, dvd-r would be better 19:31 < caker> tar or cp -ap will do the same :) 19:31 < mikegrb> heh 19:31 < mikegrb> yha 19:32 < mikegrb> or rdiff-backup ;) 19:32 < mikegrb> I even have it set to not backup /tmp and the portage tree in /usr/portage and other similiar items 19:55 * mikegrb moves daily backup to 2000 EST 19:55 < mikegrb> that should help 19:55 < mikegrb> further away from midnight 19:55 < mikegrb> plus I wanna see the graphs :) 20:01 < guinea-pig> hehe 20:04 < guinea-pig> nice. with the extra ram, my disk reads dropped to near nothing :) 20:04 < mikegrb> heh 20:09 -!- guinea-pig is now known as guinea-sleep 20:10 < mikegrb> good night 20:11 < guinea-sleep> kai suj 20:11 < guinea-sleep> err, 20:11 < guinea-sleep> kai su 20:11 < mikegrb> heh 20:11 < mikegrb> indeed 20:23 < sunny> tar cvpfsSW ! 20:24 < mikegrb> no! 20:24 < mikegrb> rdiff-backup! 20:24 < mikegrb> what if your hax0red and find out a week lateR? 20:24 < mikegrb> (and dont want to keep full backups for everyday) 20:24 < caker> big shift towards 128's today 20:25 < caker> 8 64's and 4 128's available 20:25 < mikegrb> heh 20:25 < caker> 4 upgrades today 20:25 < mikegrb> hah 20:25 < sunny> well, my suggestion was for more general purpose backups which would easily work on most *nix'es 20:25 < mikegrb> ah 20:38 -!- guinea-sleep [orion@li3-94.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: bye...] 20:52 -!- guinea-sleep [orion@64.62.190.94] has joined #linode 20:52 -!- mode/#linode [+o guinea-sleep] by ChanServ --- Log closed Mon Nov 03 00:00:00 2003 --- Log opened Mon Nov 03 00:00:01 2003 00:01 -!- sogster [~sogster@ip68-107-234-16.om.om.cox.net] has joined #linode 00:04 < mikegrb> hello sogster 00:04 < mikegrb> may I call you Agent S? 00:04 < caker> hola 00:05 < mikegrb> greetings caker 00:05 < mikegrb> my xbox works :) 00:05 < caker> woohoo! 00:05 < mikegrb> heh 00:05 < caker> Was it a pita to fix after getting the bios chip(?) ? 00:06 < mikegrb> this modchip has spring loaded pins, you line it up and the light is supposed to change to green when properly aligned... it also has three sight holes that are suposed to be lindes up with points on the mother board 00:06 < mikegrb> if the points were lined up the light wouldn't turn gree 00:06 < mikegrb> I'd wiggle it a good 5-10 cm off site before the light changed... and then it diddn't work 00:06 < mikegrb> tjfontaine suggest fuck the light just line it by the holes 00:06 < caker> hmm sounds like it was a pita 00:06 < mikegrb> gave that a whirl and bingo 00:06 < mikegrb> heh yes 00:07 < sogster> Hi guys 00:07 < mikegrb> it wouldn't have been if I just lined it up by site the first time 00:07 < caker> hello sogster 00:07 < tjfontaine> always listen to me 00:07 < mikegrb> heh 00:07 < mikegrb> indeed 00:07 < mikegrb> where were you when I started playing with it 00:07 < tjfontaine> asleep probably 00:08 < sogster> just installed "ifmonitor" http://ifmonitor.preteritoimperfeito.com/ on my linode. working good so far. 00:08 < mikegrb> hmm 00:08 < mikegrb> no 00:08 < mikegrb> it was 1400'ish 00:08 < mikegrb> friday 00:08 < mikegrb> sogster: :-) 00:08 < tjfontaine> interview 00:08 < mikegrb> ohh 00:09 < mikegrb> spiffy 00:10 < mikegrb> just got mrtg up earlier... http://thegrebs.com/stats/ 00:10 < mikegrb> going to write a little howto for it 00:10 < mikegrb> ifmonitor looks spiffy though 00:11 < sogster> Yea I was thinking mrtg cause we use it at work...But I felt lazy tonight and ifmonitor looked pretty good. 00:12 < mikegrb> I've got a bash script by guinea-pig and config 00:12 < mikegrb> so it was pretty easy :) 00:13 < caker> mikegrb: whatever math your scripts are using to calc loadavg looks wrong to me 00:14 < caker> or it doesn't display loadavg Y-axis scale 00:14 < heidi> it is x100 00:14 < caker> ok 00:14 < caker> :) 00:14 < caker> so 66 = 0.6 ? 00:14 < caker> :) 00:14 < heidi> he is getting milk and cookies 00:14 < caker> yum 00:14 < sogster> :) 00:14 < heidi> yes 00:14 < caker> howdy heidi 00:14 < sogster> I like the 16K of uptime :) 00:14 < heidi> hi 00:15 < caker> 16k-minutes .. new measurement 00:16 < sogster> Oh yea that was 'k' not 'K'. 00:16 < caker> haha 00:16 < caker> on the uptime page it even says "kminutes" .. too funny 00:17 < caker> where's guinea-pig when you need him 00:17 < mikegrb> so, you like? :) 00:17 < caker> good stuff 00:18 < sogster> looks good 00:19 < mikegrb> It'll pretty much be: 00:19 < mikegrb> 1) put this bash script in /usr/local/bin 00:19 < mikegrb> 2) make this config /etc/mrtg.cfg 00:19 < mikegrb> 3) edit config file setting working dir to where you want it to place html 00:20 < mikegrb> 4) set domain name and the like 00:20 < mikegrb> 5) set cron job to run mrtg at 10 min intervals with following line 00:20 < mikegrb> 0) install mrtg 00:20 < mikegrb> :) 00:21 < caker> 9) Profit! 00:21 < mikegrb> yes 00:21 < mikegrb> from advertising revenue :) 00:21 < sogster> :) 00:21 < mikegrb> heh 00:21 * mikegrb wonders if slashdot advertises anywhere 00:21 < mikegrb> would be somewhat pointless 00:22 < mikegrb> the right demographic already reads it 00:22 < mikegrb> or knows/will know someone who does 00:22 < caker> I enjoy MS paying OSDN to advertise on their sites 00:22 < caker> knowing it does little for MS, and a lot for OSDN ppl 00:22 < mikegrb> heh 00:22 < mikegrb> yes 00:22 < mikegrb> indeed 00:23 < sogster> They have plenty of money to throw around. 00:23 < caker> yeah doesn't hurt ms .. 00:23 < caker> People do some awesome stuff with mrtg/rrdtool 00:23 < caker> Really, really amazing 00:23 < caker> I got sucked in for a couple days during the development of Linode 00:24 < caker> hence my exponentially-growing statistics table 00:24 < caker> which had to go away 00:24 < sogster> bit bucket? 00:24 < caker> But, I had some kick ass custom rrdtool configs 00:24 < mikegrb> heh 00:24 < caker> Too much data 00:24 < mikegrb> I imagine 00:26 < sogster> We used the rrdtool stuff to track tape backups at work for awhile. 00:27 < caker> tracked how much they pulled through the network? 00:28 < sogster> Yea -- on there way to the mainframe tapes...Though maybe their was a bottleneck in the network...Ended up being flaky tcp/ip layer on the mainframe. Deleted the rrdtool stuff....never fully got to explore much more with it. 00:29 < caker> As a technical person, I tend to spend too much time tweaking things visual 00:31 < caker> mikegrb: do you have guinea-pig's script handy? 00:31 < mikegrb> one sec 00:33 < mikegrb> http://greb.ods.org/mrtg-data 00:33 < caker> thanks 00:33 < mikegrb> np 00:35 < mikegrb> triviabot is a lot easier with two players :) 00:36 < caker> found a bug 00:36 < mikegrb> didja 00:36 < sogster> what chan for triv aroundd here? I usually hang out on #ftp4trivia on efnet. 00:36 < mikegrb> #moocows 01:01 -!- sogster [~sogster@ip68-107-234-16.om.om.cox.net] has left #linode [eyeswideshut] 01:02 < mikegrb> bye! 02:05 -!- tjfontaine [~tjfontain@xbox-linux.sf.net] has quit [oxygen.oftc.net orion.oftc.net] 02:05 -!- caker-screen [~caker@webuser.xbox-linux.sf.net] has quit [oxygen.oftc.net orion.oftc.net] 02:05 -!- heidi [michael@pcp02798743pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net] has quit [oxygen.oftc.net orion.oftc.net] 02:05 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has quit [oxygen.oftc.net orion.oftc.net] 02:05 -!- mikegrb [me@mikegrb.sponsor.oftc.net] has quit [oxygen.oftc.net orion.oftc.net] 02:05 -!- EFudd [~jason@forever.broked.net] has quit [oxygen.oftc.net orion.oftc.net] 02:05 -!- jax [~stbe@24-161-88-208.hvc.rr.com] has quit [oxygen.oftc.net orion.oftc.net] 02:06 -!- mikegrb [me@mikegrb.sponsor.oftc.net] has joined #linode 02:06 -!- mode/#linode [+o mikegrb ] by charon.oftc.net 02:06 -!- EFudd [~jason@forever.broked.net] has joined #linode 02:06 -!- jax [~stbe@24-161-88-208.hvc.rr.com] has joined #linode 02:06 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has joined #linode 02:06 -!- heidi [michael@pcp02798743pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net] has joined #linode 02:06 -!- caker-screen [~caker@webuser.xbox-linux.sf.net] has joined #linode 02:06 -!- tjfontaine [~tjfontain@xbox-linux.sf.net] has joined #linode 03:10 < guinea-sleep> A BUG?! 03:30 < caker> guinea-sleep: if you have a really long path to your device (like a loop mount) df prints two lines 03:30 -!- guinea-sleep is now known as guinea-work 03:30 < guinea-work> i know 03:30 < guinea-work> i think i mentioned that in the script 03:31 < caker> oh? 03:31 < caker> I should have read more then 03:31 < guinea-work> # FIXME 03:31 < guinea-work> # i'm sorry. devfs messes us up. if the path to your partition is too 03:31 < guinea-work> # long, df wraps. 03:31 < guinea-work> 03:31 < guinea-work> function disk () { 03:31 < guinea-work> i have this on my home box 03:31 < guinea-work> this being the long path, not the comment :P 03:31 < guinea-work> but it should work for most linode uses, so i left it 03:32 < guinea-work> anyway, off to do some physical labour for 10 hours :) 03:32 < caker> cya 04:56 -!- wap [me@li3-58.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 04:56 < wap> hello 05:28 -!- wap [me@li3-58.members.linode.com] has left #linode [] 06:39 -!- Miker [~zzz@host79-23.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has joined #linode 06:44 -!- Miker [~zzz@host79-23.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has quit [Quit: Uscita dal client] 06:59 -!- wap [me@li3-58.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 07:19 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #linode 07:19 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 07:19 < adamgent> hi al 07:19 < adamgent> some of you might be intrested in this http://forum.ev1servers.net/showthread.php?s=&postid=221963#post221963 07:20 < adamgent> it is someone placing UML on a remote dedicated box 09:30 -!- dreadbeat [~dreadbeat@cliftsp.ADSL.NetSurf.Net] has joined #linode 09:30 < dreadbeat> hello hello 09:30 < dreadbeat> is caker around ? 09:32 < adamgent> not seen him yet 09:32 < dreadbeat> word 09:58 < dreadbeat> anyone got experience with maildrop ? 10:54 < dreadbeat> 10:47:47 up 111 days, 3:12, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 10:54 < dreadbeat> yay 10:54 < dreadbeat> ;) 11:37 < tjfontaine> dreadbeat: talk to mikegrb about maildrop 11:39 < dreadbeat> ok, actually got it done ;) 11:40 < tjfontaine> k 12:00 < wap> what's the recommended size for the swap? I'm on a linode 64 12:01 < tjfontaine> it used to be rule of thumb, that your swap size was in direct proportion to your physical memory 12:01 < wap> the gentoo website says it would be around 96Mb but I've been told 256Mb 12:02 < tjfontaine> some even recomended a 1:1 corralation 12:03 < wap> you'd rather go for 96 or 256? 12:03 < tjfontaine> it really depends on what you plan to run on the node 12:05 < wap> ok. I'll go with 256 then :) It can't hurt. I may just have to upgrade to linode128 later ;) 12:05 < wap> thanks tj 12:05 < tjfontaine> yw 12:05 < dreadbeat> i use 256 ;P 12:06 < dreadbeat> and i'm only on linode 64 12:06 < tjfontaine> depends on how agressive you plan to be 12:06 < tjfontaine> if you wanna run kde via vnc you'll obviously need more swap 12:07 < wap> 256 would be enough for such a purpose or I should add still more? 12:07 < dreadbeat> i dunno, i just figure 256 is enough for most stuff 12:07 < dreadbeat> im just running basic webserver / mail server, etc. 12:07 < tjfontaine> 256 should be plenty, but you're silly if you try and run KDE via VNC anyway :-) 12:07 < wap> heh 12:07 < dreadbeat> heh, yup 12:07 < tjfontaine> 64 swap is enough fro general apache+mysql+postfix 12:07 < tjfontaine> in most cases 12:08 < dreadbeat> yup 12:08 < tjfontaine> it depends on how visited your sites are 12:08 < dreadbeat> i just play on the super-safe side 12:08 < dreadbeat> ;) 12:08 < dreadbeat> cause whats 256m of ram 12:08 < dreadbeat> er 12:08 < dreadbeat> of HD 12:08 < tjfontaine> alot when you only have 2048megs 12:08 * wap agrees with tj 12:08 < tjfontaine> just giving you my perspective 12:09 < tjfontaine> brb gotta grab lunch 12:09 < wap> bon appetit 12:09 < dreadbeat> i only got 2048 12:09 < dreadbeat> and 256 aint that much :) 12:09 < dreadbeat> especially when an extra gig is 5 bucks 12:09 < dreadbeat> heh 12:10 < wap> dreadbeat: good point as well ;) 12:10 < dreadbeat> i mean.. my RH install was about 750 meg, then 250meg for swap 12:10 < dreadbeat> still leaves you with a gig left over 12:11 -!- artifexx [~Artifex@216.144.24.226] has joined #linode 12:11 < wap> hiya artifexx 12:11 < artifexx> caker: any progress on that refferal plan? ;-) 12:11 < artifexx> i've got a few people i'm waiting on. :-D 12:11 < artifexx> wap: hi there 12:12 < dreadbeat> caker = dead 12:12 < artifexx> eh? 12:13 < dreadbeat> hes been idle for hours 12:13 < dreadbeat> i wanna relay stuff from this channel into efnet #linode 12:13 < dreadbeat> ;P 12:14 < wap> any clue if there's a way to set the linode.com to display time according to my zone? 12:14 < dreadbeat> not that i know of 12:15 < artifexx> hrmm, dang, wanted to talk to him about some other stuff, too 12:15 < artifexx> all well 12:15 * artifexx away 13:13 < caker> yoda 13:14 < adamgent> hi chris 13:14 < caker> hey, what's up 13:15 < adamgent> not much just reading about someone putting UML on a dedi box, to seperate out core services 13:15 < dreadbeat> caker 13:15 < caker> Yes, very useful 13:16 < wap> caker: would be great to offer the possibility to set a local timezone on linode.com member section 13:16 * dreadbeat hugs his linode 13:17 < caker> wap: Yes, .. let's see, Job queue, uptime .. where else is time displayed? 13:17 < wap> not that it is important, but it would be cool :) 13:17 * tjfontaine slaps debian 13:18 < wap> caker: I think only these 2 13:25 -!- quik is now known as Quik 13:26 < Quik> caker about? 13:26 < caker> Hello Quik 13:27 < Quik> hiya :) 13:27 < Quik> just wondering, do you have graphs of the various hosts over the past few minutes? 13:27 < Quik> like whether they are unresponsive for example 13:27 < caker> Not graphs, but some stats, yes. . what's up 13:28 < caker> Hmm, nothing looks out of ordinary 13:28 < Quik> would you be able to check 6:30 this morning for me please? 13:28 < Quik> 1:30 your time 13:29 < Quik> host8 13:30 < caker> load avg was 1.2 13:30 < caker> looks normal -- Why do you ask? 13:31 < Quik> it's just that for the last 2 weeks or so, every 3 or 4 days a number of psybnc bots get disconnected from their IRC networks (the linode is only running an unused apache and 5 psybnc's) 13:31 < Quik> just wondering if it was the IRC network or the linode that had the issues 13:31 < Quik> i suspect it's the IRC network in this case as the bnc's connected to one server all died out, and one connected to a different server didn't 13:32 < Quik> but i thought it'd be good to check :) 13:32 < caker> It looks fine, and all my connections (including ssh into a Linode at TP) have remained online for weeks 13:33 < caker> But, let's keep an eye on it 13:33 < Quik> i suspect it is all fine as you say, thanks very much for checking :) 13:33 < caker> no prob 13:35 < Quik> bbs 13:35 < adamgent> decided what your doing with that new 4 gig machine yet chris 13:35 < caker> Pretty sure it's going to become a Linode 96 server 13:35 < caker> parts should arrive this afternoon 13:36 < adamgent> damm mailing lists 13:36 < Quik> is it at he.net btw? 13:36 < caker> It will be 13:37 < Quik> oky 13:39 * wap goes away 14:03 < dreadbeat> chris, whatever happened to that control panel thing you were gonna try and unleash ;) 14:03 < dreadbeat> unleash* 14:03 < caker> DirectAdmin? 14:04 < caker> A couple of things.. 14:04 < caker> Mostly the RH 9 version was beta, and it broke the RPM database something aweful 14:04 < dreadbeat> was it directadmin ? i thought there was another one 14:04 < caker> It installs custom packages for everything, which confused RPM 14:04 < caker> I haven't tried it lately 14:05 < caker> I can get licenses at a very good price, but as of know, install would be up to them (they support install) and you... 14:05 < caker> s/know/now/ 14:05 < dreadbeat> yah 14:05 < dreadbeat> ok 14:05 < dreadbeat> fuggedabout it 14:05 < dreadbeat> im just looking for something similar to Ensim 14:05 < dreadbeat> but without the price tag :P 14:05 < caker> No kidding :) 14:06 < dreadbeat> i love the way it functions and all, but yah.. 14:06 * caker gets pulled away for a few 14:07 < dreadbeat> and the whole uh.. webmin thing blows 14:07 < dreadbeat> :P 14:13 -!- dvl_ [~dvl666stn@host213-122-64-165.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #linode 14:30 < guinea-work> honey, i'm home 14:30 -!- guinea-work is now known as guinea-pig 14:30 < caker> back 14:30 < caker> woah :) 14:31 < guinea-pig> is that like whoa or just a whoa ? 14:31 < caker> The neo one -- ever since Point Break I can't help but to make fun 14:31 < guinea-pig> hehe 14:31 < guinea-pig> point break? 14:31 < caker> "II AM AN FBI AGENT!!!" 14:32 < caker> really lame surfer/FBI movie 14:32 < guinea-pig> so i've been thinking all day about rewriting my script entirely in C 14:32 < guinea-pig> "stealing" parts from various apps that i'm just running externally anyway 14:32 < caker> Is there an interface (ioctl?) rather than having to touch the /proc fs? 14:32 < guinea-pig> by stealing i mean copying under GPL :D 14:33 < guinea-pig> well, df uses statfs iirc 14:33 < caker> ok, I see 14:33 < guinea-pig> otherwise, i've no idea at all 14:33 < guinea-pig> but i'm sure there must be 14:33 < guinea-pig> it'd be a good learning experiment. i'm not knowing much C 14:34 < caker> Yeah, sounds perfect 14:34 < guinea-pig> i can read and tweak, i just can't write 14:34 < guinea-pig> (kinda related to the 'needing to visualise the entire thing before i start' bug) 14:35 < caker> I learned a few bash tricks looking at your script 14:35 < caker> I've never paid much attention to shell scripting, but now I realize I should have :) 14:36 < EFudd> guinea, that's my issue as well, your visualize point. suggest just pushing through it and you can get it done 14:38 < guinea-pig> caker: cool 14:38 < guinea-pig> man bash, search for "parameter expansion" 14:38 < guinea-pig> some cool stuff 14:38 < guinea-pig> saves a *lot* of external time usually wasted on sed and cut 15:03 < Quik> caker: you need anyone to test out these linode 96's if you decide to stick with them? ;) 15:03 < caker> Quik: Interested in moving your Linode over to it? 15:03 < guinea-pig> 96's? something new? old? 15:04 < caker> Linode 96 will be a new plan 15:04 < Quik> would you be able to do me a quick favour first? 15:04 < guinea-pig> resulting from all these people upgrading to 128? :P 15:04 < caker> Depends :) 15:04 < Quik> and do me a traceroute to irc.us.quakenet.org and irc.uk.quakenet.org from he.net 15:04 < caker> sure 15:04 < Quik> thanks very much :) 15:05 < guinea-pig> hey, i could do that now, too :D 15:05 < Quik> long as they are ok, i would be very interested 15:06 < guinea-pig> of course, irc.us.quakenet is in nyc 15:06 < caker> Last hop on both of those doesn't respond ... 15:07 < Quik> same here 15:07 < caker> guinea-pig: Linode 96 is just a better price point, more options, etc... 15:07 < tjfontaine> how about a customize your own node option :-) 15:07 < guinea-pig> irc.uk is round robin 15:08 < caker> tjfontaine: for a superlinode? 15:08 < tjfontaine> caker: well I only need 64 megs, but paying for more bandwidth now doesn't make sense unless I upgrade as well :-) 15:08 < tjfontaine> also same with diskspace 15:08 < guinea-pig> 140ms to inferno.b0rk.co.uk is the best of the .uk ones, though 15:09 * guinea-pig just connects to irc.us and /pings himself 15:10 < guinea-pig> [15:09] -:- [reply/guinea-pig] from guinea-pig [PING 0.166777 seconds] 15:11 < Quik> +40ms ping is fine, it's the network problems that are the issues 15:12 < Quik> ie. connection goes down for 30 seconds and things get throttled for hours :/ 15:12 * guinea-pig blinks 15:13 < dreadbeat> how much for linode 96 15:13 < dreadbeat> ? 15:13 < Quik> $30 prolly 15:13 < caker> Right 15:13 < dreadbeat> hmm 15:13 < dreadbeat> that aint bad 15:13 < dreadbeat> might have to upgrade ;p 15:14 < guinea-pig> d'oh... could you downgrade me caker? :D 15:14 * guinea-pig runs away 15:14 < guinea-pig> (i am joking, in case my sense of humour escapes you) 15:14 < guinea-pig> it's yet to escape me. i keep hoping. 15:15 < caker> hehe 15:15 < artifexx> caker, hi 15:15 < artifexx> refferal program? 15:15 < caker> artifexx: yo 15:15 < dreadbeat> haha 15:16 < caker> one sec 15:24 < caker> back 15:24 < caker> artifexx around? 15:25 < dreadbeat> no 15:25 < dreadbeat> fill me in 15:25 < caker> here's what I'm thinking 15:25 < caker> There are so many different setups for this type of deal 15:25 < caker> But for starters 15:26 < caker> For referrals, you get first month as a bonus back, if they stay for 90 days 15:27 < dreadbeat> i would say you should have some sort of 'credit' and some sort of discounted rate for resellers 15:27 < caker> Well, that's different, but yeah 15:27 < caker> I'm not going to do resellers yet, but I have a few ideas 15:28 < caker> Obviously level 1 reseller would be the discounts .. (5% for so many resold, 10% for more, etc) 15:28 < caker> Level 2 reseller would be an API in which someone could control the Linode Platform via 15:28 < caker> but that's way down the road 15:28 < artifexx> hrmm 15:28 < artifexx> interesting 15:29 < caker> So for now, if you want to do the referral thing, I have to do it by hand 15:29 < caker> but, don't let that stop you 15:29 < caker> I'll give you guys credit for them 15:29 < caker> (it's going to be a mess at first, though :) 15:30 < artifexx> how about V.A.R.? 15:30 < caker> Like what? 15:30 < dreadbeat> var ? 15:31 < artifexx> dreadbeat: value added resale 15:31 < artifexx> like, lets say i wanted to sell 5 nodes, with commercial render-farm software preinstalled 15:31 < artifexx> just as an example 15:31 < dreadbeat> ahh 15:31 < guinea-pig> you wanted to sell 5 nodes. 15:32 < caker> right, you could add "support" for anything you needed, post signup 15:32 < caker> Are you asking about including reseller-specific distros? 15:32 < guinea-pig> mmm, rendering 15:32 < artifexx> caker: possibly 15:32 * guinea-pig gets all weak in the knees 15:32 < caker> I probably couldn't do that atm, but you could package stuff up 15:32 < artifexx> just tossing out ideas, mostly. ;-) 15:33 < caker> same here 15:33 < guinea-pig> do you have to have seperate linode accounts to have multiple linodes? 15:33 * guinea-pig assumes 15:33 < caker> No, UML within UML is a little on the slow side, but it works 15:34 < guinea-pig> oh i didn't know we were talking about nesting 15:34 < caker> guinea-pig: we're not :) 15:34 < guinea-pig> err 15:34 < guinea-pig> ok? 15:34 < guinea-pig> heh 15:34 * artifexx watches the ideas being flung like monkey-poo 15:35 < guinea-pig> if you're not talking about nesting, then how does one resell more than one linode without having multiple linode.com accounts? 15:35 < caker> I think I gotcha -- they're would be a separate "Linode Reseller" account in which you could manage your resold Linode accounts 15:35 < dreadbeat> guinea, he means selling linodes for caker basically 15:35 < dreadbeat> but, in such a way that it looks like he is and that he can manage them 15:36 < guinea-pig> i got the impression that i buy. i modify. i "rent" them out. 15:36 < guinea-pig> so they're still mine, as far as caker's concerned 15:37 < artifexx> in a sense, yes 15:37 < artifexx> but, often special arrangements in both implementation and contract are made for v.a.r. scenarios 15:37 < artifexx> since "everyone wins" in a sense 15:37 < guinea-pig> I WIN! 15:37 < guinea-pig> oh wait. 15:37 < artifexx> the original guy sells more of his product 15:38 < guinea-pig> i lost. bye 15:38 -!- guinea-pig is now known as guinea-oot 15:38 < artifexx> the var does a bit of legwork, and sells the product at a small profit 15:38 < artifexx> and the end customer gets a better product 15:38 < caker> and the var collects payment from customers 15:38 < guinea-oot> what's to stop caker from making the product better and cutting you off :P 15:39 < artifexx> because his product isnt pre-packaged turn-key render-farms 15:39 < caker> The VAR's accounts inherit those improvements, too 15:39 < artifexx> or webgardens 15:39 < artifexx> or 15:39 < artifexx> anything else a var would do 15:39 < artifexx> his product is just virtual co-lo 15:39 < caker> artifexx: also, within UML, userspace runs at host-speed 15:40 < caker> which is good for rendering and calc intensive apps 15:40 < artifexx> (when available, you mean ;-) ) 15:40 < guinea-oot> yeah. if all your renderers are on the same host, that might be an issue :P 15:41 < artifexx> although, i suppose if there's 16 uml instances on a physical host... and you own all 16.... 15:41 < artifexx> :-D 15:41 < caker> Right .. any more than two running on the same host would compete 15:41 < caker> for a cpu 15:41 < artifexx> right 15:41 < dreadbeat> hmm 15:41 < artifexx> web-garden is a better example anyways. ;-) 15:41 < dreadbeat> so does that mean that 2 people running intensive programs on thier linode 15:41 < dreadbeat> can basically jack me 15:41 < dreadbeat> ? 15:41 < artifexx> no 15:42 < caker> No, they start to split the difference 15:42 < caker> 50/50 or whatever 15:42 < dreadbeat> bah, im dumb 15:42 < artifexx> you're always assured "at least your fair share" 15:42 < dreadbeat> im not following 15:42 < artifexx> if there's 16 linodes on the host 15:42 < dreadbeat> are you talking about left-over process ? 15:42 < artifexx> you're always assured at least 1/16th of the timeslices 15:42 < dreadbeat> ok 15:42 < artifexx> (assuming they're all the same class of linode....) 15:43 < caker> Regardless if they're the same class 15:43 < artifexx> well 15:43 < artifexx> a linode 128 would be considered as 2 linode 64s, in a sense 15:44 < caker> Not as far as timeslices are conceneed .. that's why I pooled the same classes onto one host only 15:44 < guinea-oot> not as far as the kernel is concern...damn 15:44 < caker> I don't mess with nice levels or 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kepe> I am :/ 16:48 < caker> guinea-pig: No, but its on the to-do list, or at least apt-cache 16:48 < eurozip> I just use wireless, free 16:48 < guinea-pig> not really complaining 16:48 < eurozip> gentoo ? 16:49 < guinea-pig> i mean, 700kB/s is excellent 16:49 < caker> Not bad 16:49 < guinea-pig> but i used to hit 1000kB/s :P 16:49 * caker comforts guinea-pig 16:49 < eurozip> omg, this will be nice 16:49 < guinea-pig> haha 16:49 < eurozip> seriously, call me if you need validation 16:50 < eurozip> heh 16:50 < caker> eurozip: Nope, everything checked out 16:50 * caker uses a crystal ball 16:50 < guinea-pig> i can validate that eurozip on oftc is the same as eurozip on slashnet :) 16:51 < eurozip> i'm alright 16:51 < kepe> I can validate that he is a redneck, like me 16:51 < caker> haha 16:51 < guinea-pig> heh. i'm gonna have a spike in my mrtg graphs from testing apt just now 16:51 < guinea-pig> disk_io and net 16:51 < eurozip> caker, did you set this all up? 16:52 < caker> eurozip: yes 16:52 < eurozip> impressive 16:52 < caker> thank you -- it's getting there :) 16:53 < eurozip> you know, you really have something here 16:53 < caker> I'm glad you like it. Some good things in the works too 16:54 < guinea-pig> so caker, where's my damn referral bonus? :P 16:54 < caker> hehe 16:54 < caker> I can tell already I'm going to have to come up with a method to record all this stuff 16:55 < wap> I'm having a problem with nano. When I use the numeric keypad it says: "NumLock glitch detected. Keypad will malfunction with NumLock off" but NumLock is ON. "nano -K" fixes it. Is there a simple way I could fix this without having to type "-K" all the time? 16:55 * caker ponders 16:55 < guinea-pig> nano, eh? 16:55 < caker> wow 16:55 < caker> where the heck is it getting numlock reading from? 16:56 < eurozip> I imagine this was a large initial investment... 16:56 < caker> Yes, I worked full time++ on the business devel/design/and implementation for about 7 months before launching 16:56 < guinea-pig> i'm not seeing this error on nano on debian/testing 16:56 < wap> I'm ssh'ing in Gentoo 1.4 16:57 < caker> What's your TERM env var? 16:57 < eurozip> caker, how many people are with you, or is it just you? 16:57 * eurozip is amazed 16:57 < caker> so far just myself 16:57 < caker> Launched June 16th 16:58 < wap> caker: console 16:58 * guinea-pig signed up sometime before the end of july 16:58 < caker> ahh 16:58 < guinea-pig> is console a valid $TERM? 16:59 < EFudd> Sure. 16:59 < EFudd> ideal? perhaps not. 16:59 < guinea-pig> it doesn't exist in debian 16:59 < EFudd> I almost always force xterm 16:59 < guinea-pig> ] vim 16:59 < guinea-pig> Terminal entry not found in terminfo 16:59 < guinea-pig> 'console' not known. 16:59 < guinea-pig> ] nano 16:59 < guinea-pig> Error opening terminal: console. 17:00 < eurozip> I honestly can't believe this, 10 minutes, I have a gentoo system 17:00 < guinea-pig> my TERM is usually screen anyway. i never leave home without it 17:01 < caker> eurozip: I just emerge sync'ed the gentoo image a few days ago 17:01 < caker> should be fairly uptodate 17:01 < EFudd> er 17:01 < EFudd> linux uses "linux" for "console" I think. 17:01 < wap> I must be mistaken... how can I know my TERM env var? 17:01 < EFudd> wap, echo $TERM 17:01 < wap> echo $TERM gives me xterm 17:01 < EFudd> there ya go then. :) 17:01 * wap is a linux beginner 17:02 < kepe> wap, thats good...everybody is a beginner at one time or another 17:03 < eurozip> caker, k 17:03 < wap> kepe: agreed ;) 17:03 < eurozip> just making sure apache 2.0.48 17:03 < kepe> eurozip: what about it? 17:03 < EFudd> 2.0.47 as of last friday.... 17:03 < eurozip> kepe, emerge sync, on my new system :) 17:03 < kepe> Latest version available: 2.0.48 17:03 < eurozip> 48 is in portage now 17:04 < EFudd> -nods- 17:04 < EFudd> i'm about to see the world update 17:04 < eurozip> /dev/ubd/0 1.8G 637M 1.1G 38% / 17:04 < eurozip> You are currently utilizing 17:04 < eurozip> 100% 17:04 < eurozip> of your total storage space. 17:04 < eurozip> why web and df differ? 17:05 < caker> eurozip: LPM displays how much space you have allocated to disk iamges 17:05 < eurozip> I see, web shows total for multiple distros and what not 17:05 < caker> not free space within them 17:05 < caker> right 17:05 < EFudd> yah, the only update from friday is apache. 17:06 < eurozip> caker, all servers in 1 location? 17:06 < caker> I'll be sending a SuSE image along with this new machine 17:06 < guinea-pig> d'oh. i keep forgetting 17:06 < caker> eurozip: no, host1-8 are at ThePlanet in Dallas, host > 9 are at Hurricane Electric 17:06 < guinea-pig> "Linode must be shutdown before resize" 17:06 -!- guinea-pig [orion@64.62.190.94] has quit [Quit: bye...] 17:06 < EFudd> >= :) 17:07 -!- guinea-pig [~orion@cpe-68-118-241-31.ma.charter.com] has joined #linode 17:07 -!- mode/#linode [+o guinea-pig] by ChanServ 17:07 < eurozip> sorry to ask so many ?'s, but how many people are on this? 17:07 < adamgent> ill c ya akll tomorrow got to get some sleep 17:07 < guinea-pig> caker, i'm still seeing the 2.4.23-pre8 kernel reboots itself instead of halting 17:07 < caker> see ya adamgent 17:07 < caker> guinea-pig: let me go check the source 17:08 < EFudd> guinea, from a halt, or shutdown -h ? 17:08 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 17:08 < guinea-pig> guinea-pig: either way. the uml kernel is supposed to halt. 17:08 < guinea-pig> from the web interface, fyi 17:08 < EFudd> oic. 17:08 < guinea-pig> so then it boots back up, and gets killed 17:09 < dreadbeat> hoah man 17:09 < dreadbeat> my cable modem is the shizzle 17:09 < caker> it syncs and sleeps a few times before halting (btw) 17:09 < dreadbeat> i just got 550kB off microsoft.com 17:09 < dreadbeat> :) 17:09 < dreadbeat> w0w 17:09 < guinea-pig> caker: yeah, i've seen that 17:10 < wap> anyone got any clue for my nano keypad issue? ;) I've been searching around for about 3-4 hours now and it's kinda getting on my nerves... 17:10 < dreadbeat> man 17:10 < caker> alias nano nano -K ? 17:10 < dreadbeat> americans talk funny 17:10 < dreadbeat> :P 17:10 < dreadbeat> no offense to any of you.. 17:10 < guinea-pig> use vim? 17:10 < EFudd> fok nano. 17:10 < guinea-pig> merkins 17:10 < wap> guinea: I may just go back to Debian ;) 17:10 < guinea-pig> hahah. i got ahead of myself 17:11 < guinea-pig> went to resize one partition while another was "in progress" 17:11 < guinea-pig> the second failed because the web interface told me the amount free pre-first resize 17:11 < caker> guinea-pig: found the error.. remaking 17:11 < guinea-pig> caker: cool. that kernel's been treating me awesome 17:12 < caker> guinea-pig: can you tell a difference between 2.4.22 ? 17:13 < guinea-pig> unsure. i changed at the same time you changed the host's kernel on host7. what's host10 using? 17:13 < caker> cat /proc/cpuinfo 17:13 < guinea-pig> that means i'd have to boot my linode :P 17:13 < caker> will give you the host's kernel 17:13 < caker> erm 17:14 * guinea-pig boots it 17:14 < guinea-pig> i just shutdown to do the resize anyway :) 17:14 < caker> guinea-pig: Linux host10.linode.com 2.4.23-pre6 #6 SMP Wed Oct 8 14:39:07 EDT 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux 17:16 -!- guinea-sleep [orion@parsed.net] has joined #linode 17:16 -!- mode/#linode [+o guinea-sleep] by ChanServ 17:16 -!- guinea-pig [~orion@cpe-68-118-241-31.ma.charter.com] has quit [Quit: bye...] 17:16 -!- guinea-sleep is now known as guinea-pig 17:17 * guinea-pig doesn't feel like rebooting again for a *long* time 17:19 * eurozip slowly realizes 2 gigs won't cut it... caker grins 17:19 < EFudd> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on 17:19 < EFudd> /dev/root 4136896 1534100 2435024 39% / 17:19 < EFudd> none 94024 0 94024 0% /dev/shm 17:19 < EFudd> for a very usable gentoo install. 17:20 < caker> Gentoo 17:20 < caker> er 17:20 < caker> Gentoo's portage dir is 270 megs 17:20 < guinea-pig> 2G is fine for debian. 17:21 < guinea-pig> /dev/ubd/0 631M 317M 288M 53% / 17:21 < eurozip> having problems emerge[ing] vim, seems can't find the gentoo packages on any mirror 17:21 < guinea-pig> (then again, i've got the rest of my 4G in /usr/local) 17:21 < eurozip> never had this problem 17:22 < wap> This nano glitch convinced me to switch back to Debian. Thanks for your help though, caker ;) 17:23 < caker> guinea-pig: fixed the linode11 kernel, btw 17:24 < guinea-pig> cool 17:24 < artifexx> eurozip: emerge rsync 17:24 < eurozip> No such directory `pub/mirrors/ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/distfiles'. 17:24 < guinea-pig> so when i reboot in 3 months, i'll get it :) 17:24 < caker> guinea-pig: hehe 17:24 < eurozip> seems that could be an issue on our side? 17:24 < eurozip> artifexx, thx 17:25 < artifexx> should fix that. ymmv. 17:25 * guinea-pig freaks out 17:25 < guinea-pig> oh 17:25 < guinea-pig> i chrooted into my gentoo install at home 17:26 < guinea-pig> wondered why apt was missing :) 17:26 < artifexx> emerge apt-get 17:26 < artifexx> rofl 17:26 < wap> ;) 17:27 < caker> Anyone interested in a SuSE distro? 17:27 < artifexx> no. :-| 17:27 < caker> I've only had a small number of requests for it 17:28 < eurozip> nope 17:28 < eurozip> maybe the germans 17:28 < eurozip> still the same issue with emerge vim, can't get gentoo patches 17:28 < guinea-pig> anyone asked for lfs? hehe 17:29 * artifexx did 17:29 < artifexx> :-D 17:29 < caker> It was mentioned once or twice 17:29 < wap> eurozip: are you from Europe? 17:29 < guinea-pig> tell people to scratch themselves 17:29 < caker> It's not that hard to make your own distro :) 17:29 < eurozip> wap, heh... nope 17:29 -!- eurozip is now known as zip 17:29 -!- zip is now known as zip_ 17:29 < wap> heh 17:29 < zip_> seems there is a zip already 17:30 < EFudd> Uh. You. 17:30 < EFudd> -:- eurozip is now known as zip 17:30 < EFudd> -:- zip is now known as zip_ 17:30 < zip_> cant get the vim patches here locally either, must be something with the gentoo mirrors, not updated or typo... 17:30 < zip_> Uh, Me. 17:30 < zip_> ? 17:30 < caker> phew 17:31 < tjfontaine> ya I often wonder why urpmi isn't in debian and apt-get isnt in my mdk install 17:31 < guinea-pig> i think eurozip meant "zip" is already registered with nickserv 17:31 < EFudd> oic. yah, forgot there was a nickserv here :) 17:31 < zip_> heh 17:32 < EFudd> -NickServ(services@services.oftc.net)- Nickname EFudd registered under your 17:32 < EFudd> Heh. 17:32 < wap> zip_: use the_one_and_only_zip ;) 17:33 -!- zip_ is now known as the_one_and_only_zip 17:33 < the_one_and_only_zip> :) 17:33 < wap> ;) 17:33 < caker> zip is a registered tradmark 17:34 < wap> so is wap :( I was angry when they took my name grrr 17:34 < caker> heh 17:34 < wap> used it for about 12 years now... 17:35 -!- the_one_and_only_zip is now known as zip_ 17:35 < zip_> well, guess I just won't be using vim today 17:36 < zip_> I suppose for a nameserver, I have to install my own? 17:36 < caker> Or use ZoneEdit.com, or use your registrar's managed dns 17:37 < wap> g'night everyone 17:37 < guinea-pig> nite 17:37 < guinea-pig> ditto, too 17:37 < caker> cya 17:37 -!- guinea-pig is now known as guinea-sleep 17:38 * artifexx bbl 17:38 -!- artifexx [~Artifex@216.144.24.226] has left #linode [] 17:40 < EFudd> A female news anchor who, the day after it was supposed to have 17:40 < EFudd> snowed but didn't, turned to the weatherman and asked: "So Bob, 17:40 < EFudd> where's that 8 inches you promised me last night?" Not only did he 17:40 < EFudd> have to leave the set, but half the crew did too because they were 17:40 < EFudd> laughing so hard! 17:43 < caker> open mount, insert torso 17:43 < caker> er mouth 17:44 < guinea-sleep> mount /dev/torso /mnt/mouth :) 17:44 < guinea-sleep> -o loop 17:44 < guinea-sleep> hehe 17:52 -!- tito [~irc@ACB2002D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #linode 17:52 -!- tito [~irc@ACB2002D.ipt.aol.com] has left #linode [] 17:53 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #linode 17:53 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 18:11 < zip_> so I will get 100% of the processor, if I am the only 1 using it? 18:12 < caker> Yes, and chances are, you will get all of one CPU (if you need it) since loadavg is usually less than 2 on the hosts (and they're dual proc) 18:13 < zip_> are you worried about extremely slow compile times, if a server is loaded with gentoo users? 18:13 < caker> not really, gentoo users are few and far between 18:13 < zip_> yea 18:14 < guinea-sleep> nice 18:14 * guinea-sleep finds struct net_device_stats 18:15 * guinea-sleep learns C in his sleep 18:15 < adamgent> c is a wonderful language 18:16 * caker continues to setup the new server 18:24 -!- dreadbeat [~dreadbeat@cliftsp.ADSL.NetSurf.Net] has quit [] 18:30 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 19:07 -!- Quik is now known as quik 19:31 -!- kepe [~kepe@01-018.079.popsite.net] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 19:36 < mikegrb> how's it hanging? 19:36 < caker> howdy mikegrb 19:36 < mikegrb> my neck/back hurts lika a biatch 19:37 < mikegrb> can't get comfy 19:37 < caker> where ya been all day? 19:39 -!- Artifex [~Arti@65.25.115.230] has joined #linode 19:39 < mikegrb> heh 19:39 < Artifex> hi 19:39 < mikegrb> I was in a car accident this morning, spent all morning inthe hospital, spent the afternoon alseep on drugs 19:39 < mikegrb> howdy Artifex 19:40 < caker> Are you serious? 19:40 < mikegrb> yup 19:40 < caker> Are you ok? 19:40 < mikegrb> though 19:40 < mikegrb> yes 19:40 < caker> everyone else ok? 19:40 < mikegrb> The emt's wanted to take me to the er, I said nah, then it started hurting back so when I got to work (at a hospital) I went to be seen there 19:41 < mikegrb> kind of worked out nicely being seen at hospital I work at 19:41 < mikegrb> yes I think so, three cars were involved and the person in the one infront of me went to the ER 19:42 < Artifex> glad you're ok 19:42 < mikegrb> heh me too 19:42 < mikegrb> it's bad when one of the first things you think is shit, I didn't /away when I left 19:42 < mikegrb> now it's going to be hours before I'm' back to a term 19:43 < Artifex> heh 19:44 < caker> glad you are ok 19:45 < mikegrb> me too 19:45 < mikegrb> got bruises from seat belt :/ 19:45 < mikegrb> doc says I'm gonna hurt for at least a week 19:45 < caker> geesh 20:09 -!- eurozip [~zip@66.69.88.164] has joined #linode 20:10 < EFudd> how did the accident occur ? 20:10 < eurozip> lo 20:10 < Artifex> anyone here have any experience writing windows drivers? 20:11 < sunny> definately sounds like the wrong channel to ask, heh 20:12 < eurozip> heh 20:12 * Artifex doesnt know where the right channel is 20:12 < Artifex> :-( 20:14 < sunny> MSDN 20:15 < sunny> holy cow, linux people would cream their pants of they ever had anything remotely like MSDN 20:15 < EFudd> sunny, Yeah, I use MSDN quite extensively for various projects 20:15 < EFudd> it's quite good. 20:16 < Artifex> theres an msdn irc channel? 20:16 < Artifex> ;-) 20:16 * Artifex needs real-live-person type assistance 20:16 < EFudd> artifex, what are you attempting to do? 20:16 < Artifex> write some drivers! 20:16 < EFudd> that's useful. 20:17 < Artifex> actually, technically i'm trying to port an ethernet driver from linux to windows 20:17 < EFudd> good god why? 20:17 < Artifex> long story. 20:17 < Artifex> the driver 20:17 < EFudd> i do all my ports in the opposite direction. :-) 20:17 < Artifex> interestingly enough 20:17 < Artifex> is actually a windows driver 20:17 < Artifex> that was ported to linux 20:18 < Artifex> and now i'm trying to port back 20:18 < Artifex> go figure 20:18 < EFudd> which card? 20:18 < Artifex> nforce 20:18 < EFudd> oh. integrated mobo ethernet ? 20:18 < Artifex> yeah 20:19 < EFudd> What specific chipset is the nic ? 20:19 < Artifex> nforce. ;-) 20:19 < EFudd> lkajsdflkjsad 20:19 < sunny> huh? no nvidiot drivers for it ? 20:20 * Artifex really cant say too much more... to many xbox scenies in here 20:20 < Artifex> *too 20:21 < sunny> err, don't get me worng ... but this might be a tiny bit out there, heh 20:21 < EFudd> I'm thinking the nforce mobo uses a specific type of other nic chipset.. 'ti smy point. 20:21 < EFudd> but alas, i dunno those boards 20:21 < EFudd> kinda wondering, wtf doesn't a driver already exist. 20:21 < Artifex> hehe 20:21 < sunny> what you want to do 20:21 < Artifex> it's a very complicated and confusing situation 20:22 < Artifex> porting a windows driver back from linux to windows. :-) 20:22 < sunny> is find a company stupid enough to have Windows servers (ie: Valve) ... hax0r them and get MS's xbox SDK 20:22 < Artifex> i'd explain more, but only if you could actually help me. 20:22 < sunny> their Xbox SDK should have the quasi Win2k driver needed 20:23 < Artifex> and i already have several copies of their Xdk 20:23 < Artifex> several versions 20:23 < Artifex> and several sub-revisions. 20:23 < Artifex> that's nothing 20:23 < sunny> and they don't include the driver ? 20:23 < Artifex> anyone with a newsreader can go grab that. 20:23 < Artifex> ... 20:23 < Artifex> they include the XTL libraries 20:24 < Artifex> which contain an ethernet stack, yes 20:24 < Artifex> but, that doesnt help me 20:24 < Artifex> now, unless you can help solve my driver development issues.... i really cant continue this conversation any further. :-| 20:28 * Artifex is away: brb 20:37 * Artifex is back (gone 00:09:09) 20:40 < EFudd> too secretive for me to care. 20:45 < mikegrb> heh 20:45 < mikegrb> got to be sometimes 21:00 -!- Artifex [~Arti@65.25.115.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 485 seconds] 21:03 -!- Artifex [~Arti@dhcp065-025-115-230.neo.rr.com] has joined #linode 21:20 < eurozip> caker: by chance have you been watching my apache compile...php,mysql 21:21 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12hdtlh.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: quick reboot] 21:23 < eurozip> root pts/0 16:59 3:31m 3.58s 3.00s /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/emerge mysql apache ph 21:23 < eurozip> 3.5 hours? 21:27 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12hdtlh.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #linode 21:30 < caker> eurozip: yes 21:31 < caker> eurozip: mysql is large, apache is decent size, so that doesn't suprise me 21:33 < eurozip> I understand that, but it compiled in half the time on a 700mhz ppc g3 21:33 < caker> There is overhead for syscalls within UML 21:34 < eurozip> no problem 21:54 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12hdtlh.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 21:54 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12hdtlh.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #linode 22:48 < shakr> how is the overhead for say, vmware, compared to uml 22:48 < caker> much worse 22:48 < caker> with vmware .. the problem being that vmware emulates the cpu 22:48 < shakr> even with their 'enterprise' products? 22:48 < caker> not sure 22:49 < shakr> i thought vmware could pass some calls through more directly 22:49 < caker> It might 22:49 < shakr> at least on my system the vmware 'cpu' is the same as my host cpu 22:49 < shakr> but i'm finding compiles are going /much/ slower on my p4 2.4 than they do on my linode 22:50 < caker> I tested vmware a long time ago and was turned off fairly quickly by other things 22:50 < caker> (long time ago = 6 mo) 22:50 < shakr> well the cost associated with it is a big turn off 22:50 < caker> hehe that too 22:51 * caker finds out what happens when he enables highmem 64gb 22:52 < caker> I want my remaining 100mb of ram!! 22:54 < sunny> vmware doesn't emulate the CPU ... it emulates the BIOS ... bochs/plex86 emulate the CPU, heh 22:54 < sunny> biiig difference 22:54 < caker> yeah, i was wrong -- thinking vpc 22:54 < caker> at first 22:55 < caker> Interesting .. Highmem 4gb enabled, I get 4010304k vs 4139820k with highmem 64 22:56 < caker> 3916mb vs 4042mb 22:57 < shakr> silly question: could i run 64-bit software inside vmware if vmware is running on a 32-bit os 22:57 < shakr> assuming the cpu is 64-bit 22:57 < sunny> no 22:57 * caker raises his hand 22:57 < sunny> vmware's BIOS needs to support 64 bit as well 22:57 < caker> no :) 22:57 < shakr> is it a vmware limitation then? 22:57 < sunny> yes 22:58 < sunny> vmware might have issues licensing a 64 bit BIOS 23:00 < sunny> Vmware can emulate SPARC, heh ... they got a copy of Open Firmware from Samsung IIRC 23:02 < shakr> is running 'big' servers (apache, tomcat, bind, etc) inside a uml sandbox something that is done in a production environment? 23:03 < shakr> (for security reasons in particular) 23:03 < caker> If absolute performance is the issue (say, a large database server), than probably not 23:03 < caker> But mostly done for security 23:04 < caker> I know lots of ppl that use UML in this manor 23:05 < sunny> I fail to see why .. being that 99.999% of all "important" servers eventually need *write* access to the real data 23:05 < sunny> even voodoo won't help you there, heh 23:05 < caker> compare UML vs a chroot 23:06 < caker> or processes that need to bind to ports lower than 1024.. you don't need them to be ran as root (since the entire UML runs as non-root) 23:06 < sunny> I don't see why either of those matter ... eventually I will need to write to my info .. and unless I keep real time backups .. I'm fucked if I get hacked regardless of what type of an environment I run in 23:07 < caker> s/ran/run/........ 23:07 < shakr> i guess it prevents a hacked service from bringing down the entire system 23:07 < caker> What about the integrity of your entire network? 23:07 < caker> right 23:07 < shakr> assuming all your eggs are in one basket 23:08 < sunny> well, if you are a corporation, and you have "real" data to deal with, a computer per service is nothing 23:35 < shakr> so boring.. it literally takes an entire day to install gentoo, x, and gnome from source 23:36 < caker> (begging for flames) -- yeah, the time you save in actually getting to USE the stuff probably negates the perf gain (if any) 23:37 < shakr> well for a common system which runs slow anyway (vmware) its not worth it, i was doing it more for the practice of having to do it on my athlon64 but i thought it might take about 4 hours tops 23:38 < caker> athlon 64, huh? .. 23:38 < shakr> the athon64 is a different system which i intend to put gentoo on in the future 23:39 < caker> athlon 64 == x86_64, and Itanium == ia64 ? 23:39 < shakr> correct 23:39 < caker> Wow 23:39 < caker> So, AMD made their own arch this time 23:39 < caker> Should be interesting 23:39 < shakr> yes, and supposedly if intel ever goes 64-bit in their desktop line, they will have to use it too 23:40 < caker> ok, so it's just x86 instruction set but 64bit addressing 23:40 < caker> ? 23:41 < shakr> 64bit registers, 40-bit adressing and a few other goodies 23:41 < caker> cool, thanks for setting me straight .. was wondering 23:42 < shakr> having a dual opteron linode server in the future would be sweet :D im assuming it could run uml? 23:43 < caker> Right now UML only runs on i386 arch 23:43 < caker> HP donated a dual IA64 workstation to Jeff, he's working on an UML port 23:44 < shakr> i bet there would be a crazy amount of business in 64-bit uml 23:44 < caker> why so? 23:44 < shakr> a lot of people are interested in trying new things, and 64 > 32 !!! :P 23:44 < caker> ahh 23:44 < caker> yeah 23:45 < caker> Linode 96 is better than 64 23:45 < caker> Sry to ask these dumb questions .. what is the diff between Athlon 64 and Opteron? 23:45 < shakr> i'm not sure how many people use their linodes for dev, but i suspect that due to the current costs of a 64-bit system that a cheaper 64-bit dev environment would be welcomed 23:45 < caker> That is a really good point 23:46 < shakr> athlon64 is their desktop chip, single cpu configurations only 23:46 < caker> ok 23:46 < shakr> the opteron comes in 1 cpu, 2 cpu, and 8+ cpu configurations 23:46 < caker> make sense .. p4 vs xeon 23:47 < caker> More like Xeon vs Itanium 23:47 < shakr> both support the same instruction sets, have on die northbridge, 1mb l2 cache 23:47 < caker> big cache 23:48 < caker> only 512k on the xeon 23:48 < shakr> there are two lines of athlon64 now.. the 3200+ which has single channel ddr, and the fx-51 which has dual channel ddr (and is esentially equivalent to a 1-cpu opteron) 23:50 < shakr> i think currently the single best selling point is that they run 32-bit software with minimal (1-2%) slowdown, whereas itanium has to emulate 32-bit 23:51 < caker> hmm 23:52 < caker> Do you favor AMD over intel, in general? 23:52 < shakr> i'm just a user / enthusiast so i pick whichever is better/cheaper 23:52 < caker> right 23:53 < shakr> but right now i'm running an athlon64, dual athlon mp, and this p4 23:53 < caker> My only AMD system is the one I'm on now (workstation) 23:54 < shakr> amd gets a bad rap because of their up to recent reliance on VIA for desktop chipsets 23:57 < shakr> but the chips are solid... sun, ibm, and hp have agreements with amd to use opterons in upcoming servers --- Log closed Tue Nov 04 00:00:02 2003 --- Log opened Tue Nov 04 00:00:04 2003 01:22 -!- eurozip [~zip@66.69.88.164] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 02:13 * Artifex is away: a much deserved sleep 03:23 < wap> morning 03:23 -!- westonsid [zxfdgfsgv@ip88039.wstcmp.ukans.edu] has joined #linode 03:23 < caker> Hello wap (very late here) 03:23 -!- westonsid [zxfdgfsgv@ip88039.wstcmp.ukans.edu] has left #linode [] 03:23 < mikegrb> heh indeed caker 03:23 < wap> :) 03:24 * mikegrb woke up 30 min ago 03:24 < caker> How ya feelin? 03:24 < wap> I was about to ask the same 03:24 < mikegrb> good 03:24 < mikegrb> I slept from 1pm until a bit ago 03:24 < mikegrb> will prob go back to sleep for a few more hrs soon 03:25 < mikegrb> these meds make me pretty tired 03:25 < mikegrb> I'll prob lay down on the couch at work too 03:25 < mikegrb> I configured my ideal powerbook :D 03:25 < caker> Oh? 03:25 < mikegrb> not so much ideal as the one I will prob get 03:26 < caker> G5 now, right? 03:26 < mikegrb> yha the powerbook 15" superdrive combo 03:26 < mikegrb> right 03:26 < caker> hoohaa 03:26 < mikegrb> minus the superdrive 03:26 < wap> at least there will be a positive outcome to what happened to you ;) 03:26 < caker> powerbook = insurance money? 03:26 < mikegrb> and 20 gb smaller then the stock drive 03:26 < mikegrb> well not necessarily 03:26 < caker> ok :) 03:26 < caker> just checkin 03:26 < mikegrb> my car was hopefuly totaled 03:27 < mikegrb> we're going to cash in some mutual fund money I had to pay deducable (currently it is "my fault") 03:27 < mikegrb> if ther is some left over then that will go towards powerbook 03:27 < caker> cool 03:27 < mikegrb> also car payments of 300/mnth will go towards powerbook 03:27 < caker> haha 03:28 < caker> What about getting a replacement car? 03:28 < mikegrb> I want the 15"/superdrive combo b/c it has the fiber optic lighted keyboard and builtin wifi 03:28 < mikegrb> we have two already 03:28 < mikegrb> were trying to sell my wifes 03:28 < caker> That works then ... 03:28 < mikegrb> we will just keep hers instad 03:28 < mikegrb> indeed 03:29 < wap> caker: I had an idea yesterday evening: If you ever happen to will linode.com to be translated into French, I could be your man. I honestly think I'm pretty good at it ;) 03:29 < mikegrb> 15"/superdrive is too expensive but with DVD/CD-RW instead of DVD-R/CD-RW it is $200 cheaper 03:29 < mikegrb> and -20gb is another -$75 03:29 < mikegrb> heh 03:29 < mikegrb> I would hope you are good with french wap 03:29 < caker> wap: i18n is something I'd have to conqure first and I no spekel french 03:30 < caker> wap: but I'll definately keep you in mind 03:30 * caker wonders how babelfish does on Linode.com 03:30 < wap> mikegrb: you'd be surprise by the poor work most Frenchies did on the xbox-linux website ;( 03:30 < mikegrb> heh oh 03:31 < mikegrb> maybe it was translated by someone with french as a second language? 03:31 < wap> nope 03:31 < mikegrb> I know Michael S. prefers native translators though 03:31 < wap> but they are the CS geek type... 03:31 < mikegrb> ah 03:32 < mikegrb> wap/caker: have you seen bash.org? 03:32 < wap> I was basically studying literacy + philo... 03:32 < mikegrb> the latest page at bash.org gets visited by me daily 03:33 < mikegrb> oh and are the images at slashdot.org broken for anyone else? noticed before I went to sleep and figured it must just be me 03:33 < wap> mike: not yet ;) just woke up. And I want to work on my linode today :) I'll go back to Debian... I already had issues with Gentoo and that made me think that distro is not for me ;) 03:34 < mikegrb> ahh 03:34 < mikegrb> okay 03:34 < mikegrb> well what ever you are comfortable with is what you should use 03:34 < wap> Now I know, that's a great feeling lol 03:34 < wap> exactly 03:35 * caker reboots host4 [the test box] into a new kernel and holds his breath 03:35 < mikegrb> heh 03:36 < caker> 1.. 03:36 < caker> 2... 03:36 < caker> (5 switch port resets for a full reboot) 03:36 * mikegrb holds breath for good measure 03:37 < caker> hrm :) 03:39 < caker> time for a little remote console action 03:44 * mikegrb consults the prescription data sheets... 03:44 * mikegrb goes for a beer :D 03:45 * mikegrb takes prescription with said beer 03:46 < wap> lol 03:46 < mikegrb> heh 03:46 < mikegrb> don't have any water 03:46 < mikegrb> tap water is ick here 03:46 < mikegrb> just said beer would intensify sleepieness from one of the pills 03:47 < mikegrb> no biggie I'm already at home and planning on going to sleep soon 03:47 < wap> that reminds me my trip to India ;) I never used to drink so much Coke and otther soft drinks 03:48 < mikegrb> heh 03:49 < wap> you can't even trust mineral water there... they cheat with bottles and fill them with crappy water 03:50 < caker> nite all 03:50 < mikegrb> oh caker 03:50 < caker> ya? 03:50 < mikegrb> saw your add on google recently 03:50 < mikegrb> didn't click... didn't want to charge you money ;) 03:50 < mikegrb> tha's all 03:50 < wap> g'night Chris 03:50 < mikegrb> 'night 03:51 < caker> Cool -- I've got a bunch going 03:51 < caker> Yeah, thanks for not clicking -- expensive 03:51 < caker> :) 03:51 < mikegrb> heh 03:51 < caker> get to feeling better, mikegrb 03:51 < mikegrb> I'll try 03:51 < mikegrb> should be soon 03:51 < caker> ok, good :) .. lata 03:52 < mikegrb> wap: your a mac user right? 03:53 < wap> nope, I'm a Win user 03:53 < wap> and a wannabe Linux one ;) 03:53 < mikegrb> oh 03:53 < mikegrb> okie 03:54 < wap> it's just like anybody: I'm a Win user because I started with Win... 03:54 < mikegrb> right 03:56 < wap> Linux can be run on Mac without any trouble? 03:58 < wap> btw mike, when you feel better and have some spare time, please install this script for me to recover the messages I get when I'm offline ;) 04:02 < mikegrb> yes I need to 04:02 < mikegrb> there are linux distributions for mac 04:02 < mikegrb> yellow dog linux is one of the main ones 04:02 < mikegrb> some normal dists will still work though 04:02 < wap> cool 04:37 -!- ChanServ changed the topic of #linode to: Linode.com -- The Linode Virtual Server hang out | http://www.linode.com/ | http://www.linode.com/forums/ 04:43 * wap is going to have a shower 05:06 * wap is back 05:10 < shakr> :> 05:28 * wap has to go to the doctor 06:59 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #linode 07:00 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 07:00 < adamgent> morning all 07:19 * wap is back 07:33 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12hdtlh.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: pop] 08:40 -!- mode/#linode [+v Artifex] by adamgent 08:40 -!- mode/#linode [-v Artifex] by adamgent 08:40 < adamgent> opps 08:40 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has left #linode [] 08:41 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #linode 08:41 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 09:15 -!- sunny [~sunny@128.238.241.192] has joined #linode 09:17 < wap> Do you think it makes sense to install X on my linode? Would I be able, using a vnc client, to remote access a desktop. Or would it just be so slow that I should just forget about it? 09:17 < shakr> depends on your package and which window manager 09:17 < adamgent> you could do, but it seems rather pointless 09:17 < shakr> your linode package that is 09:18 < wap> I got a linode64 09:18 < adamgent> what would you use it for 09:18 < shakr> fluxbox would be doable 09:18 < shakr> you could run an xterm or two :D 09:19 < adamgent> or you could just ssh in, a couple of times 09:19 < shakr> if its about learning linux it would be much less painless to install on a local machine, the "friendly" linux windowmanagers are happy with gobs of ram 09:20 < wap> adamgent: thing is I have no local machine to learn linux ;) I'm pretty happy with my linode for this purpose 09:20 < wap> But I don't want to run heavy graphic apps, maybe just watching pics 09:21 < shakr> you can learn linux without a window manager 09:21 < adamgent> there are loads of bash utils to help with admin, there is also webmin which is very useful when you are learning 09:21 < wap> shakr: I also like the idea to be able to have a remote access to a desktop 09:22 < adamgent> but you can get remote access with ssh, I take it you like the idea of a gui 09:22 < wap> adamgent: I feel perfectly ok with term 09:22 < adamgent> then stick with the term 09:25 < wap> yeah ;) I realise it would be easier to just retrieve my pics with ftp on my local machine if I want to watch them ;) 09:25 < adamgent> x is very processor and memory intensive and the likely hood is that if you cant ssh in you wont be able to get in through vnc 09:25 < wap> silly me 09:25 * wap nods and blushes 09:25 < wap> you guys opened my eyes ;) 09:26 < adamgent> so I take it your main home machine is windows then 09:26 < wap> adamgent: yep 09:27 < adamgent> you could alway install cygwin then, or use some thing like knoppix or morphix 09:27 < wap> When I'm home, it's ok. But since I travel a lot... 09:28 < wap> I can just get Putty on a floppy, and wherever I go I can ssh in my linode 09:28 < adamgent> well knoppix and morphix run off a cd 09:28 < adamgent> or you could install a web based ssh client on your linode and use that! 09:29 < wap> the second option sounds wizer 09:30 < adamgent> well you could use webmin, has a web based ssh client on that 09:31 < wap> adamgent: ok, thanks for the tip. 09:31 < adamgent> or this http://www.mindbright.se/mindterm/ 09:32 < adamgent> or this one http://www.port42.com/download/ 09:33 < adamgent> or maybe not, very limited 09:33 < wap> heh 09:33 < adamgent> webmin is probably the best one to use as then you can use the other admin tools in it as well 09:34 < wap> yep, webmin seems pretty well done 09:34 < adamgent> which distro are you using? 09:34 < wap> debian 09:34 < adamgent> you should be able to install it though apt-get but isntalling it from source is very easy to do 09:35 < adamgent> just a simple set-up script 09:35 < wap> I'm a _real_ beginner so I'll go step by step ;) 09:35 < adamgent> it that through apt then or from source 09:37 < wap> I'm reading an online Debian course ;) I reached the section about X, that's why I asked about it. 09:37 < wap> I don't want to hurry, I need to go step by step and learn well ;) 09:38 < adamgent> but remember the best way to learn it to make mistakes 09:38 < adamgent> s/it/is 09:38 < wap> adamgent: that's why I'm using my linode and not my main PC ;) 09:40 < wap> I did my first attempts with Linux on a dual boot PC, and I messed up with partitions... At least with linode I'm not affraid of testing and doing mistakes. 09:41 < sunny> X isn't memory hungry ... if you spend time enough, you can have X down to 700k ... (X just seems memory hungry because it reports your video ram is ram used, and because too many apps have bad imagemap handling) 09:42 < wap> sunny: I'm using X on a Linuxed Xbox with 64Mb. But with a linode there's also a bandwith issue. 09:43 < wap> Especially when you move to developping countries ;) 09:43 < sunny> well, then you use Xfree86 with NX 09:43 < sunny> NX is super duper hyper ultra fast 09:43 < wap> NX is a wm? 09:44 < sunny> no, its a transport protocol 09:45 < wap> sunny: that wouldn't fit with my globetrotter possibilities... 09:46 < sunny> well, you'd run a cpu light WM like IceWM or XFCE ... Galeon as a brower (or even Dillo) ... and NX .. low cpu, low bandwidth 09:48 < wap> ok ;) I got more answers than I expected. Thanks all. 10:07 -!- dvl_ [~dvl666stn@213.122.26.178] has joined #linode 10:19 < mikegrb> hello 10:20 < adamgent> well there are only 2 linode 64 10:20 < adamgent> lef 10:20 < adamgent> t 10:20 < adamgent> damm return key 10:20 < mikegrb> heh 10:58 < sunny> is there anything important on Nov 21st this year ? 10:58 < adamgent> in which country 10:59 < sunny> USA 11:00 * wap is going out 11:06 < mikegrb> heh 11:06 < mikegrb> sunny: there is something important on Nov 5 11:27 < EFudd> caker ? 11:42 < adamgent> not seen him yet today 11:44 -!- dvl_ [~dvl666stn@213.122.26.178] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:50 -!- eurozip [~eurozip@66.136.35.17] has joined #linode 11:50 < eurozip> lo all 11:51 < adamgent> hi 11:51 -!- sunny [~sunny@128.238.241.192] has quit [Quit: bbl] 12:31 * wap is back 12:31 < adamgent> wb 12:32 < wap> Thanks :) 12:34 -!- zip_ [~eurozip@66.136.35.17] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:42 < eurozip> caker: got the site up, www.andrewhodel.com 12:42 < eurozip> one of them anyhow... 12:49 < caker> hi guys 12:49 < adamgent> hi 12:50 < eurozip> lo 12:50 < adamgent> anyone know what the lowest level group id is 12:54 < mikegrb> 0 12:54 < mikegrb> root 12:55 < mikegrb> if I get your question 12:56 < adamgent> the other way, lowest level access 12:56 < mikegrb> oh 12:57 < adamgent> i think I will probably sitck with the general user, 100 12:57 < mikegrb> well any number probably lowest would be a new group that doesn't own anything 12:57 < eurozip> I think it is what you make it 12:57 < eurozip> seems a group with access to nothing is lowest eh? 12:58 < mikegrb> right 12:58 < eurozip> standard I would say 100 also 12:58 < adamgent> since it needs access to compilers etc I think it will have to be 100 13:03 -!- sunny [~sunny@128.238.241.192] has joined #linode 13:10 < mikegrb> sunny you were asking abt anything special in nov... nov 5 is an important date 13:11 < caker> eurozip: site looks good :) 13:12 < caker> eurozip: rc cars, eh? 13:12 < caker> looks like fun 13:12 < caker> Who's motorcycle? 13:16 < wap> eurozip: you may want to have a look at this OS project: http://templeet.org That's a _great_ template language. Once you get used to it, you can build websites in just a few hours. 13:17 < wap> It's also great to deal with multi-lingual websites 13:18 -!- adamgent_mk2 [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #linode 13:19 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:24 < eurozip> caker, yea, I am in to all that 13:25 < eurozip> motorcycles and such... 13:42 * wap is gonna diner 13:42 -!- heidi [michael@pcp02798743pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net] has left #linode [Leaving] 13:57 -!- heidi [michael@pcp02798743pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net] has joined #linode 14:09 -!- quik is now known as Quik 14:27 < sunny> host9 is dying 14:27 < tjfontaine> ? 14:28 < eurozip> ? 14:28 < sunny> its been almost 10 mins .. and I'm still deleting a directory it should have taken me 15 seconds to remove 14:28 < sunny> this IO raping thing is annoying 14:29 < caker> host9 looks fine, atm 14:30 < sunny> not only that 14:30 < sunny> but HE is filtering pings 14:30 < sunny> maybe my linode crashed 14:30 < sunny> which is rather odd cuz the page reports it as being up 14:31 < caker> It's running at 99.9 cpu 14:31 < caker> but it looks "ok" 14:31 < caker> Who is filtering pings? 14:31 < sunny> either HE is .. or my linode is dead 14:31 < caker> I can ping everything so far .. what's up? 14:32 < caker> I can ping your first ip, but not your second 14:32 < sunny> beats me .. I did rm -rf kernel-source ... should take no more than 15 secs ... over 10 mins my shell has frozen, i can't SSH in anymore, pinging doesn't work, and restarting it seems to be stuck 14:37 < caker> No idea what that was .. mb a bug in pre8? It definately wasn't the I/O issue 14:38 < EFudd> caker, you should create an interface that can be run from the UMLs to output the data from the website for network, disk, and cpu usage... or anything else you add to the website :) 14:38 < caker> Yeah .. I can do printk's from the host into the umls 14:39 < caker> pick it up in your log 14:39 < EFudd> Hmm. 14:39 < EFudd> I was thinking just perl+wget+xml or something with authentication based on a unique identifier of the UML? 14:39 < caker> Right 14:39 < EFudd> wanna keep it kinda minimal such that a lot of perl mod's aren't required... 14:39 < caker> How do you determine disk I/O for a single process, though? 14:40 < caker> still haven't figured that out 14:40 -!- sunny [~sunny@128.238.241.192] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40 < EFudd> sar :) 14:40 < caker> For a single process, though? 14:40 < EFudd> dunno.. 14:40 < caker> I don't think so .. 14:40 < guinea-sleep> sar? 14:40 < caker> sysstat package 14:40 < EFudd> sar might not be avail on linsux 14:41 < guinea-sleep> thanks 14:41 < guinea-sleep> knew it sounded familiar 14:41 < mikegrb> sars... bad stuff don't want it 14:41 < caker> I've got to get with Jeff and maybe we can add some counters to uml's I/O thread 14:42 -!- guinea-sleep is now known as guinea-dinner 14:45 * Quik prods caker 14:45 < caker> Quik: need a few minutes 14:46 < Quik> sorry, didn't realise you were busy :) 14:46 < Quik> whenever ya want, it's not important 14:48 -!- sunny [~sunny@128.238.241.192] has joined #linode 14:48 < sunny> sorry, my wifi went nuts and raped my CPU 14:48 < caker> sunny: everything ok? 14:53 < sunny> my linode seems to be doing fine now 14:53 < caker> weird 14:54 < sunny> but my upload of a 300 meg SRPM isn't holding up .. which has nothing to do with my linode, heh 14:56 < sunny> rsync -av -e ssh --delete SRPMS linode:SRPMS 14:56 < sunny> that looks normla 15:01 < caker> Quik: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=439 15:04 -!- sunny [~sunny@128.238.241.192] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29 < mikegrb> http://www.linode.com/products/linodes.cfm :))))))) 15:29 < caker> awwww yeah 15:29 < mikegrb> heh I like the 1.5 picture 15:29 < caker> Um 15:29 < caker> Yeah, kinda lame :) 15:30 < mikegrb> nah 15:30 < caker> it's the box scrunched to half width (via oh 15:30 * caker first up photoshop 15:30 < mikegrb> well tha's lame 15:30 < caker> er fires up 15:30 < mikegrb> heh indeed 15:30 < mikegrb> then it wont be lame 15:31 < mikegrb> I was just going to comment on that but didn't realize that is what it was 15:36 < caker> three takers already on the host4 deal 15:37 < mikegrb> host4? 15:37 < caker> http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=439 15:37 < mikegrb> oh I shad to scroll down to get to that last one 15:38 < eurozip> sign me on ;) 15:39 < mikegrb> great idea 15:39 < mikegrb> sounds good 15:39 < caker> eurozip: great! 15:39 < mikegrb> just wish I was still on a 64 and at The Planet instead of HE 15:39 < eurozip> I see no change right? 15:39 < caker> Nope, just shutdown --> migrate --> boot back up 15:40 < mikegrb> wap would probably be interested but I think he is probably asleep or some such 15:40 < mikegrb> wap: you around? 15:40 * tjfontaine ain't at The Planet 15:40 < eurozip> you can resize partitions on the fly I presume? 15:40 < caker> Only resize up -- I can't get my math right on resizing down -- it truncates images :) 15:40 < mikegrb> he's using it for learning rather then critical stuff... though he is prob on host9 15:41 < eurozip> caker: that is no problem :) 15:41 < eurozip> so, what do you want me to do, exactly and when? 15:41 < caker> I probably should have included instructions on what to do :) 15:41 < caker> Post a response to the thread 15:41 < caker> and I'll get back to you guys 15:42 < caker> you too Quik 15:42 < eurozip> k 15:42 < caker> eurozip: btw, was that your motorcycle? 15:45 < Quik> thanks caker 15:46 < eurozip> caker: which one? 15:47 < eurozip> the blue one is mine, I just put some pics of my four wheelers up too 15:47 < mikegrb> time to go home 15:47 < eurozip> that is all we do here, motor* 15:47 < caker> I ride a VTR1000F superhawk/firestorm 15:50 < eurozip> cool 15:50 < eurozip> if I ever go to TN, we can ride 15:50 < caker> is that a suzuki? 15:50 < eurozip> yamaha 15:50 < caker> which? 15:50 < eurozip> I got videos I can show ya, I have been meaning to encode them 15:50 < caker> r6, couldn't tell from the photo 15:50 < eurozip> yzf600 15:50 < eurozip> how long you been riding? 15:51 < caker> nice 15:51 < caker> Since I was about 8 15:51 < caker> but took about 10 years off until I got the hawk 15:51 < caker> that was .. 4 years ago 15:52 < eurozip> yea 15:52 < eurozip> I have been riding since about 6, but I am only 19 15:52 < eurozip> most of my life 15:54 * caker sets up hardware watchdog on host4 16:01 < jax> caker: still need a soul for the host4 test? 16:02 < caker> jax: yes, looking for around 10-15 people 16:02 < jax> caker: if my linode is at ThePlanet you can use me 16:02 < caker> jax: if you're on host1-8 you're at tp 16:02 < jax> yep, host5 16:03 < caker> ok, pls post a reply to the thread so I know who to contact 16:03 < jax> caker: no problem 16:28 < mikegrb> tjfontaine and I have a simple c question 16:28 < tjfontaine> :-) 16:28 < mikegrb> caker: you know c? 16:29 < mikegrb> adamgent_mk2: you around? 16:29 < mikegrb> hmm 16:30 < jax> simple? 16:30 < mikegrb> yha 16:30 < mikegrb> simple 16:30 < mikegrb> int get_bytes(void *get_bytes_arg, int n, void *buf) 16:31 < mikegrb> *buf is obviously a pointer to data 16:31 < mikegrb> n is the amount of data 16:31 < mikegrb> what about *get_bytes_arg 16:31 < mikegrb> http://www.speakeasy.org/~russotto/chm/lzx_compress.html 16:31 < mikegrb> that's the page it is from 16:31 < mikegrb> tj and I are both rather new to c 16:32 < jax> maybe like a mode or something, some kind of argument is uses in the function 16:33 < mikegrb> The lzx_compress_block() routine calls this function when it needs more uncompressed input to process. The number of bytes requested is n and the bytes should be placed in the buffer pointed to by buf. The get_bytes() function should return the number of bytes actually provided (which must not be greater than n), nor 0, except at EOF. 16:33 < mikegrb> heh 16:33 < mikegrb> I would think so too 16:33 < tjfontaine> get_bytes being a callback 16:40 < caker> I love this: 16:40 < caker> today i get to start coding a control panel for UML! 16:40 < caker> ... 16:40 < caker> should only take me a day. HOPEFULLY 16:40 < caker> good luck, bro 16:40 < mikegrb> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha 16:40 < tjfontaine> heh 16:40 * mikegrb falls of couch 16:41 < jax> he'll at least learn where he needs to focus, i just kinda stopped 16:41 * mikegrb thinks that was a bad idea 16:41 < caker> I said something like that to myself .. "should only take me 3 months" .. took me 6 16:42 * caker has a wicked datamodel 16:42 < jax> you've done a good job btw, lots of happy people 16:42 < mikegrb> lots 16:42 < caker> thanks jax 16:42 < caker> Were you working on a cp for UML? 16:43 < jax> i wanted to, but i needed to learn what was going on with UML first, and that project just kinda died when I had to deal with the IBM monkeys 16:43 < caker> oh? 16:43 < jax> I need a quick solution for funknight, so I'm using Xen at the moment 16:43 < jax> but I'll eventually get back into it 16:43 < caker> Wow, how's that working for you? 16:44 < jax> i'll find out tomorrow, i haven't been at work in a while 16:44 < jax> but I have a friend that's been helping, so I'll probably have it up and running tomorrow 16:44 < caker> great, love to hear how it goes 16:48 < jax> linode really took off, how many users do you have now? 16:48 < caker> 10 servers, do the math :) 16:48 < mikegrb> 1000000000 16:48 < mikegrb> give or take ;) 16:50 < caker> mikegrb: figure out the get_bytes function yet? 16:51 < caker> I'd say the first arg is the what it operates on 16:51 < caker> hard to say without seeing the code 16:53 < mikegrb> caker tha 16:53 < mikegrb> er yha 16:53 < mikegrb> ir is userdefined arg 16:53 < mikegrb> I think tj is going to use it to pass a pointer to the current progress in bytes 17:24 -!- guinea-dinner is now known as guinea-sleep 17:30 -!- sunny [~sunny@69.22.246.177] has joined #linode 17:44 -!- sunny [~sunny@69.22.246.177] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46 < mikegrb> bye sunny 17:49 -!- sunny [~sunny@69.22.246.177] has joined #linode 17:49 < mikegrb> welcome back sunny 17:50 < sunny> hi 17:50 < sunny> I've figured it out 17:51 < sunny> something about KDE and my wifi don't mix 17:51 < caker> sunny .. wasn't that the guy from Miami Vice? 17:53 -!- adamgent_mk2 is now known as adamgent 17:53 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 17:53 < EFudd> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;131109 17:53 < caker> HAHAHA 17:53 < adamgent> have i missed much> 17:53 < caker> Hell yeah 17:54 < caker> That is probably the best bug I've ever seen (besides when a hosting provider for a previous client forwarded their domain to a porn site) 17:55 < caker> Thank you EFudd, that made my day 17:55 < EFudd> Microsoft has confirmed this to be a problem in Earth version 1.0. 17:55 < EFudd> We are researching this problem and hope to redirect Earth's 17:55 < EFudd> rotation with our next release. 17:55 < caker> omg 17:55 < caker> oh man ... 17:55 * EFudd wipes himself off 17:55 < caker> Microsoft can change the direction of the earth, eh? 17:56 < caker> hey adamgent 17:56 < mikegrb> caker: they think they can anyway 17:59 * EFudd wishes he had a way to snapshot his UML before installing the next couple of packages :/ 17:59 < mikegrb> heh 17:59 < EFudd> perhaps i'll use vmware on my home machine instead for now 18:02 -!- sunny [~sunny@69.22.246.177] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12hdtlh.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #linode 18:03 < adamgent> you go to the pub for 3 hours and you come back to 100's of emails.. damm 18:03 < EFudd> there's NFW i'm installing JDK without some ability to rollback :) 18:04 < caker> EFudd: want me to make a dup of your fs? 18:05 < EFudd> nah. i'll just do vmware on my home machine for now. i need ot test various CMS systems for a project i'm working on... 18:05 < EFudd> potential need to rollback a bazillion times. 18:05 < caker> ok 18:05 < EFudd> thank you tho. 18:05 < caker> np! 18:05 < EFudd> MOVIES AT BRIER CRRALEIGH 18:05 < EFudd> rar 18:05 < EFudd> 2 tix to tommorows matrix :) 18:05 < caker> oh yeah! 18:06 < EFudd> btw, if you guys have never used 'lftp'. emerge it now. 18:06 < EFudd> lftp ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu:/pub/gentoo> jobs 18:06 < EFudd> [0] get stage3-i686-20030910.tar.bz2 18:06 < EFudd> `stage3-i686-20030910.tar.bz2' at 14481104 (10%) 87.7K/s eta:33m [Receiving data] 18:07 < EFudd> it's an 'ftp shell' 18:08 < EFudd> lftp gentoo.mirrors.pair.com:/releases/x86/1.4/stages/i686> exit 18:08 < EFudd> [6293] Moving to background to complete transfers... 18:09 < mikegrb> geg 18:09 < mikegrb> EFudd: I got those tickets this weekend 18:09 < mikegrb> also scored to free tickets to blue man group the following night :) 18:09 < EFudd> yah, i got mine last week. just saw the billing on my account tho 18:09 < EFudd> oh word :) 18:09 < mikegrb> indeed 18:09 < mikegrb> I had llooked at getting tickets sunday night 18:09 < mikegrb> they were to much though 18:09 < mikegrb> I was pretty happy to say the least 18:10 < mikegrb> looking fwd to it as much as the matrix :) 18:11 * adamgent wonders why company policies are so annoying 18:11 < mikegrb> heh 18:12 < guinea-sleep> mmm, bmg 18:12 * Artifex is away: shopping 18:12 < guinea-sleep> seeing them was the best thing i ever did. after getting a linode. 18:13 < EFudd> Hahah. :) 18:13 < guinea-sleep> i even bought that night's spin art 18:13 < guinea-sleep> (if you don't know... you'll figure it out when you see the show :D) 18:19 < mikegrb> :) 18:24 * caker experiments with netconsole 18:24 < adamgent> netconsole? 18:25 < caker> Yes, essentially will send host kernel's printk's via ip 18:25 < adamgent> nice 18:25 < caker> Obscure patch that Ingo@redhat made for 2.4.10, I think? 18:25 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12hdtlh.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: pop] 18:25 < caker> Just like ssh'ing into your consoles :) 18:26 < adamgent> i like the remote console boxes, that allow you to edit the bios etc from a remote site 18:26 < caker> Yes, I've got the machines rigged into Baytech DS units 18:26 < caker> But, I'd have to be connected at the time of an oops to catch it :( 18:26 < caker> sucks... 18:27 < adamgent> but they can also be useful 18:27 < caker> It is amazing .. I changed some host4 bios settings this morning... 18:27 < adamgent> but so easy to do 18:28 < adamgent> just a cable into the vga and keyboard port 18:28 < adamgent> but yet so expensive 18:28 < caker> Ahh -- thats kvm's.. this just connects to the serial port, and you configure your bios to redirect the screen to the serial port. 18:29 -!- sunny [~sunny@69.22.246.177] has joined #linode 18:30 < adamgent> some of them just relay off the vga port, to a vnc type terminal 18:37 < adamgent> caker: hows the filling of host4 going 18:37 -!- sunny [~sunny@69.22.246.177] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37 < caker> Better than I expected... 18:38 < caker> I am determined to fix this thing, or at least be more prepared if I get the chance to capture an oops or something 18:38 < adamgent> well a free upgrade, i dont think many would object 18:39 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12hdtlh.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #linode 18:43 -!- YoSsSi [hehe@62.36.72.82] has joined #linode 18:44 < adamgent> hi yosssi 18:45 < YoSsSi> hello 18:49 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12hdtlh.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:55 -!- sunny [~sunny@69.22.246.177] has joined #linode 18:56 < sunny> sorry for any part/join floods 18:56 < mikegrb> no! 18:56 < mikegrb> no apology is necesary 18:59 < EFudd> /ignore * crap works in my lameass irk client 19:15 < caker> oh man ... 19:15 < mikegrb> indeed 19:20 * mikegrb wants a tool 19:20 < mikegrb> (not that kind) 19:20 < mikegrb> a tool that produces something like mrtg does for an interface but seperating traffic via application 19:20 < mikegrb> like http mail etc 19:21 < mikegrb> any suggestions? 19:21 < adamgent> you would need something that analyzed the access logs for each and worked out the usage 19:21 < caker> setup some iptable rules, and mrtg them? 19:21 < adamgent> webalizer of http 19:21 < mikegrb> hmm 19:21 < mikegrb> iptables sounds interesting 19:22 < adamgent> i could never get mrtg to work properly 19:22 < mikegrb> some of these things access logs wont help with :/ 19:22 < sunny> why would you want such information per port ? 19:22 < mikegrb> well more of there are a few I'm interested in 19:22 < mikegrb> 6667-7000 being one 19:22 < adamgent> irc then 19:23 < sunny> well, you could run ircd via src_vipa .. and then keep logs on whatever interface you have 19:23 < mikegrb> I plan on setting up iptables anyway for refusing connection from spammy addressess... my spam filter logs ip's to syslog 19:23 < mikegrb> hmm 19:23 < sunny> simply k:line a few netblocks ? 19:24 < mikegrb> yha one route... eth0:0 and eth0 aren't distinguisable via /proc/net/dev 19:24 < mikegrb> so I would need the other ip to be eth1 19:24 < mikegrb> caker: is there anyway to make the alias eth1? would be simpler in uml then real life I would think 19:25 < caker> mikegrb: not with my system -- I had multiple eth device support origionally, but took it out because of reasons I can't remember atm 19:25 < caker> ebtable rules are big enough as they are 19:25 < mikegrb> heh 19:26 < mikegrb> okay 19:26 < caker> I remember something about bandwidth accounting, too 19:26 < mikegrb> I'll look into iptables 19:26 < mikegrb> yha 19:26 < mikegrb> I know I've seen tools to log usage at application level 19:26 < mikegrb> I'm not sure what kind of load they would exhert 19:27 < mikegrb> mainly want to do some statistical data type stuff... ie not continuous use but once a week every other month or so 19:27 < caker> Check out cacti 19:27 < mikegrb> okie 19:28 < caker> It's just a big front end to rrdtool/mrtg, and has abstracted "data acquisition" scripts 19:28 < caker> that are essentially perl or shell scripts 19:28 < caker> grep for msg in maillog 19:28 < caker> that kind of thing 19:28 < mikegrb> interesting 19:29 < mikegrb> looks very interesting 19:32 < mikegrb> there is a script by a Matt Groener 19:33 < mikegrb> anybody recognize that name? :) 19:33 < jax> what's the name from? 19:33 < adamgent> sounds familier 19:33 < mikegrb> simpsons creater and former nuclear power worker in the navy 19:34 < mikegrb> prob not the same guy though 19:34 < jax> groening 19:34 < mikegrb> yha 19:34 < mikegrb> you're right 19:34 < mikegrb> t'was close 19:41 < caker> anyone know what causes this: 19:41 < mikegrb> users 19:41 < caker> : /usr/include/asm/signal.h:107: parse error before "sigset_t" 19:41 < mikegrb> I know kernel people yell and say don't touch it, it's messy when you ask about asm stuff 19:42 < mikegrb> there is a #kernelnewbies and despite the name it's generaly for programming stuff 19:42 < mikegrb> well programming stuff related to the kernel 19:42 < caker> this is trying to compile psybnc on redhat 9 small 19:42 < mikegrb> that's on this network 19:42 < mikegrb> ahh 19:42 < mikegrb> trying to see what everybody is using their linod for 19:43 < mikegrb> cacti has a ipchains plug in for getting data 19:43 < mikegrb> I'll prob just use that script with my existing mrtg setup 19:45 < Quik> caker - is this the rh9 small install that's used on all the linode distributions? 19:45 < caker> Yes 19:45 < caker> YoSsSi is having trouble 19:46 < Quik> i've compiled it a number of times on rh9 small, can't remember getting anything like that 19:46 < Quik> only suggestion would be to download (2.3.2-4) from another source 19:46 < caker> Have you done it since you updated glibc (apt-get upgrade) ? 19:47 < caker> hmm, he's on 2.3.1 19:47 < Quik> first thing i did was update to the latest version of everything 19:48 < caker> Quik: where's 2.3.2-4 ? 19:48 < Quik> http://www.psychoid.lam3rz.de/psyBNC2.3.2-4.tar.gz 19:48 < caker> thanks, let's see 19:48 < Quik> fantastic tutorial: http://www.netknowledgebase.com/tutorials/psybnc.html 19:49 < caker> hrm 19:49 < caker> same thing 19:49 < Quik> k hold on 19:51 < Quik> caker - is this when running "make menuconfig"? 19:51 < caker> make anything yes 19:52 < YoSsSi> dont is problem of the GCC ? 19:52 < Quik> ah 19:52 < Quik> then i have the same problem 19:52 < caker> You mean it used to work, and now it doesn't ? 19:52 < Quik> i made my configs from scratch as they are easy to do 19:52 < Quik> it never worked on rh9 small 19:52 < Quik> did work on rh9 large i believe 19:52 < caker> crap 19:53 < Quik> works on debian with a couple of extra packages 19:53 < YoSsSi> yes, caker 19:53 < Quik> i may be wrong about rh9 large, but i think it was ok 19:53 < YoSsSi> Yesterday it was compiling well 19:57 < Quik> on redhat 9? 19:58 < YoSsSi> yes 19:58 < YoSsSi> 9.0small 19:59 < Quik> including the graphical menu config? 20:00 < caker> Yes 20:00 < caker> [root@theliax psybnc]# make 20:00 < caker> Initializing bouncer compilation 20:00 < caker> [*] Running Conversion Tool for older psyBNC Data. 20:00 < caker> In file included from /usr/include/linux/signal.h:4, 20:00 < caker> from /usr/include/signal.h:28, 20:00 < caker> from tools/convconf.c:43: 20:00 < caker> In file included from tools/convconf.c:43: 20:00 < caker> tools/convconf.c: In function `cofile': 20:00 < caker> tools/convconf.c:81: warning: deprecated use of label at end of compound statement 20:00 < caker> make: *** [all] Error 1 20:00 < caker> [root@theliax psybnc]# 20:00 < caker> er 20:00 < caker> it didn't print out some of the lines 20:00 < Quik> caker - was that before editing any files or using the menuconfig? 20:01 < caker> I untarred into new dir, chdir into it, "make menuconfig" and you get these errors... 20:01 < YoSsSi> this problem is from some library ... 20:01 < caker> ::: [root@theliax psybnc]# make 20:01 < caker> ::: Initializing bouncer compilation 20:01 < caker> ::: [*] Running Conversion Tool for older psyBNC Data. 20:01 < caker> ::: In file included from /usr/include/linux/signal.h:4, 20:01 < caker> ::: from /usr/include/signal.h:28, 20:01 < caker> ::: from tools/convconf.c:43: 20:01 < caker> ::: /usr/include/asm/signal.h:107: parse error before "sigset_t" 20:01 < caker> ::: /usr/include/asm/signal.h:110: parse error before '}' token 20:01 < caker> ::: In file included from tools/convconf.c:43: 20:01 < caker> ::: /usr/include/signal.h:69: parse error before '*' token 20:01 < caker> ::: /usr/include/signal.h:70: parse error before '*' token 20:01 < caker> ::: /usr/include/signal.h:71: parse error before '*' token 20:01 < caker> ::: /usr/include/signal.h:72: parse error before '*' token 20:01 < caker> ::: /usr/include/signal.h:73: parse error before '*' token 20:01 < caker> ::: /usr/include/signal.h:74: parse error before '*' token 20:01 < caker> ::: /usr/include/signal.h:77: parse error before '*' token 20:01 < caker> ::: /usr/include/signal.h:79: parse error before '*' token 20:01 < caker> ::: /usr/include/signal.h:81: parse error before '*' token 20:01 < caker> ::: /usr/include/signal.h:142: parse error before "_sigintr" 20:01 < caker> ::: tools/convconf.c: In function `cofile': 20:01 < caker> ::: tools/convconf.c:81: warning: deprecated use of label at end of compound statement 20:01 < caker> ::: make: *** [all] Error 1 20:01 < caker> ::: [root@theliax psybnc]# 20:01 < Quik> it compiles fine, but if the menuconfig doesn't work then you need to edit two files by hand 20:05 < adamgent> time to sleep, speak to you all tomorrow 20:06 < Quik> cya adamgent :) 20:07 < caker> Quik: want to tell YoSsSi how to make it work? :) 20:08 < Quik> i shall quickly, it being 1am 20:08 < caker> thanks 20:08 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: ..sleep...] 20:08 < YoSsSi> how? 20:08 < Quik> one sec 20:09 < Quik> obviously you start by doing make menuconfig and it fails for whatever reason to do with packages we dont know about 20:09 < Quik> then you need to go through the file config.h in the psybnc directory and make sure all the features you want to be compiled in psybnc are included in that 20:10 < Quik> using the guide in this section: http://www.netknowledgebase.com/tutorials/psybnc.html#2 20:10 < Quik> most of it should already be in there if you need a basic setup 20:10 * mikegrb downs a jack daniel's hard cola 20:10 < Quik> then, you'll need to edit psybnc.conf 20:11 < Quik> i will just upload a copy of it for you somewhere, hold on 20:13 < caker> hmm 20:14 < Quik> http://www.quiks.co.uk/psybncconf.txt 20:14 < Quik> chuck that stuff into psybnc.conf and replace the stuff with your choices and it should be fine (hopefully) 20:14 < Quik> i did no more than that :) 20:17 < YoSsSi> dont is problem of the psybnc.conf 20:18 < Quik> what do you mean? 20:20 < shakr> can psybnc bind to a specific interface, or does it listen on *: 20:21 < Quik> it can bind to a specific ip i believe 20:21 < Quik> PSYBNC.SYSTEM.HOST1= The IP your bnc is going to listen on. Use HOSTx for multiple hosts. If you want an SSL port, Put an 'S=' before the IP. 20:21 < shakr> awesome 20:22 < shakr> does it support the password:server:port convention on the clientside for automatic server connections 20:22 < Quik> i've never actually tried that tbh 20:22 < Quik> let me have a go 20:22 < caker> afk... 20:23 -!- YoSsSi [hehe@62.36.72.82] has quit [] 20:25 < Quik> shakr, what format do you mean? 20:25 < shakr> oh, on your client if you make a new 'profile' 20:26 < shakr> you can set the server password to be bncpass:ircserv:port and it will auto connect 20:26 < shakr> without having to mess with /quote vip /quote conn blahblah 20:26 < shakr> thats how it works in 'bnc' at least 20:26 < Quik> in mIRC it works fine just entering the password into the server info 20:27 < shakr> right, but then you need to type additional stuff to connect to your irc server?, like /quote conn irc.oftc.net 20:28 < Quik> you just need to type /addserver irc.oftc.net :6667 and that sorts it permanently 20:28 < Quik> so the next time you log into psyBNC you're still on oftc of course 20:29 < shakr> addserver is an mirc or psybnc command? 20:29 < Quik> psybnc 20:29 < shakr> what if you want to connect through the same bnc to a different server 20:29 < shakr> what i was describing is purely a time saving / laziness step 20:30 < Quik> http://www.netknowledgebase.com/tutorials/psybnc.html#7 20:30 < Quik> ;) 20:30 < Quik> i gotta go now, need some sleep 20:30 < Quik> cya tomorrow \o 20:30 -!- Quik is now known as quik 20:31 < shakr> hmm psybnc looks more proxyish than i would like, peace 20:38 * Artifex is back (gone 02:25:52) 20:43 -!- jax [~stbe@24-161-88-208.hvc.rr.com] has quit [Quit: playing a game] 20:44 < sunny> wow, these linodes are selling like hotcakes, heh 21:10 < shakr> host7 seems really unresponsive atm, ping times > 3s 21:11 < caker> taking a look... 21:16 < caker> I need to come up with some penalty for out of control Linodes 21:16 < caker> How's it now? 21:16 < shakr> top will run now :P 21:16 < Artifex> define "out of control"? 21:16 < caker> swapping madly because of misconfiguration 21:17 < Artifex> hrmm 21:17 < Artifex> dont be too harsh, some people dont know better... 21:17 * mikegrb points at Artifex and whispers, "keep an eye on this one" 21:18 * Artifex kicks mikegrb 21:18 < Artifex> blah 21:18 * mikegrb ducks, grabs Artifex's leg and spins him to the ground. 21:18 < Artifex> im sick of coding on this 21:19 < Artifex> i mean, it's a super-fantastical fun and amazing project 21:19 < Artifex> but 21:19 < caker> Someone needs to port CFQ back to 2.4 21:19 < Artifex> it's getting tedious, heh 21:19 < Artifex> and i need a hardware guy. :-\ 21:22 -!- jax [~stbe@24-161-88-208.hvc.rr.com] has joined #linode 21:29 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has quit [Quit: brb] 22:04 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has joined #linode 22:25 * Artifex is away: brb 22:28 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:32 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has joined #linode 22:33 * Artifex is back (gone 00:08:14) 22:34 -!- heidi [michael@pcp02798743pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:07 -!- heidi [michael@pcp02798743pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net] has joined #linode 23:24 < sunny> somehting is wrong 23:24 < sunny> my webmail is snappy 23:24 < sunny> this can't be!!! 23:59 -!- sogster [~sogster@68.107.234.16] has joined #linode --- Log closed Wed Nov 05 00:00:01 2003 --- Log opened Wed Nov 05 00:00:03 2003 00:16 -!- sogster [~sogster@68.107.234.16] has left #linode [Client exiting] 01:40 -!- total [aztech@64.5.53.132] has joined #linode 01:41 -!- total [aztech@64.5.53.132] has quit [Client Quit] 01:47 -!- total [total@viskos.org] has joined #linode 02:11 * Artifex is away: sleep 03:10 < wap> morning 03:10 < caker> evening :) 03:11 < wap> ;) 05:13 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:17 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has joined #linode 05:33 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:46 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #linode 05:46 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 05:46 < adamgent> morning all 05:50 < wap> g'morning 06:19 -!- adamgent_mk2 [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has joined #linode 06:19 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:32 -!- adamgent_mk2 is now known as adamgent 06:32 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 06:45 < wap> If I want to find all files that contains the string "blob" on my system, I need to use "grep -r blob". Am I right here? 06:46 < sunny> grep -r $dir -H -i -e "blob" 06:46 < sunny> note: it will crash your linode 06:46 < wap> heh 06:46 < sunny> no joke 06:47 < sunny> unless $dir is *NOT the root dir .... eventually grep will get to /dev/kmem and crash your system 06:48 < wap> sunny: thanks 06:50 < sunny> caker: maybe the /dev/kmem issue could be avoided by using DevFS ? 06:52 < wap> sunny: caker must be sleeping at this time ;) 06:52 < adamgent> well it is about 7am over there 06:53 < sunny> wap: well it doesn't matter too much being that he should see my message whenever he wakes up, heh 06:53 < wap> there = east coast ? 06:53 < wap> sunny: yep 06:54 < adamgent> east cost is 5 hours different to gmt 06:55 < wap> for some reason I thought caker was living more to the west heh stupid me 06:55 < adamgent> he might be cant remember 06:56 < wap> where are you guys from? Paris, France here 06:56 < adamgent> he is in nashville 06:56 < adamgent> england 06:57 < adamgent> nashville is est 06:58 < sunny> New York 07:20 -!- sunny [~sunny@69.22.246.177] has quit [Quit: pop] 07:25 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12hdtlh.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #linode 07:25 < sunny> caker: I'm going back to that old .22 kernel 07:25 < sunny> this new .23 kernel is crap 07:27 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12hdtlh.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:40 -!- sunny [~sunny@69.22.246.177] has joined #linode 07:47 -!- sunny [~sunny@69.22.246.177] has quit [Quit: pop] 07:56 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has joined #linode 07:57 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has quit [Client Quit] 07:58 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has joined #linode 08:00 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has quit [Client Quit] 08:01 -!- shakr [~kenn2@goober.ub3r.org] has joined #linode 08:51 * Artifex is away: to work 09:03 -!- jax-work [~stbe@148.100.214.88] has joined #linode 09:16 < wap> caker: ping? 10:05 -!- adamgent_mk3 [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #linode 10:05 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:05 -!- adamgent_mk3 is now known as adamgent 10:05 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 10:12 -!- adamgent_mk3 [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #linode 10:12 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:13 -!- sunny [~sunny@128.238.242.70] has joined #linode 10:15 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has joined #linode 10:15 -!- adamgent_mk3 [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 10:16 < adamgent> damm net connections 10:16 < mikegrb> indeed 10:23 -!- yosssi [hehe@80.102.71.111] has joined #linode 10:24 < adamgent> hi yosssi 10:24 < yosssi> hello 10:28 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:28 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has joined #linode 10:28 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 10:28 -!- yosssi [hehe@80.102.71.111] has quit [] 10:29 -!- adamgent_mk3 [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has joined #linode 10:29 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:29 -!- adamgent_mk3 is now known as adamgent 10:29 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 10:31 -!- adamgent_mk2 [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has joined #linode 10:32 * adamgent_mk2 moves back to the good old cat5 network 10:38 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 485 seconds] 10:43 -!- adamgent_mk2 is now known as adamgent 10:43 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 10:52 < mikegrb> heh 11:04 -!- Schalke04 [java@172.181.176.225] has joined #linode 11:04 < mikegrb> hello 11:04 * Schalke04 Re 11:05 < adamgent> hi 11:05 < Schalke04> hallo 11:05 < Schalke04> es scheint mir so enteressant dass jemand hier auch spicht 11:06 < Schalke04> was ein server hier für hab noch nicht verstanden 11:06 < sunny> wir stimmen 11:06 < Schalke04> :) 11:06 < Schalke04> ich muss jetzt los 11:07 < Schalke04> hasta luego 11:07 -!- Schalke04 [java@172.181.176.225] has left #linode [] 11:07 < sunny> mein deutsch ist sehr schlecht 11:08 < sunny> doh, he left 11:08 < adamgent> well at least you know what he was saying 11:08 < sunny> barely 11:08 < mikegrb> was he telling us we smell funny? 11:08 < sunny> his last statement was spanish, heh 11:08 < sunny> "see you later" 11:08 < mikegrb> yha I noticed that 11:08 < adamgent> i though it was german, oh well 11:08 < sunny> no, he said he was pleased to find people here 11:09 < sunny> adamgent: it was german, except for the last sentence 11:09 < adamgent> oh 11:11 < adamgent> i'll stick with english 11:12 < sunny> me too, but I'm trying really hard to make my german better 11:12 < adamgent> i studied it for 5 years at school and can not remember any of it 11:13 < sunny> haha, I used to live in germany ... but had to study spanish in the USA 11:28 < adamgent> only 1 linode 64 left 11:55 < adamgent> caker: you about yet 11:59 * jax-work is away: lunch 12:21 < adamgent> god damm fireworks 12:28 * wap awakens 12:34 -!- adamgent is now known as G 12:34 -!- G is now known as ag 12:35 -!- ag [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has quit [] 12:35 -!- ag [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has joined #linode 12:35 -!- ag [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has quit [Client Quit] 12:35 -!- quik is now known as Quik 12:39 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has joined #linode 13:16 * jax-work is back (gone 01:16:49) 13:32 -!- sunny [~sunny@128.238.242.70] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:18 -!- tjfontaine [~tjfontain@xbox-linux.sf.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:34 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 14:34 * jax-work tries to create a slack9.1 image 14:50 -!- guinea-sleep is now known as guinea-pig 15:00 -!- Garry [Garry@172.188.238.146] has joined #linode 15:07 -!- Garry [Garry@172.188.238.146] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.73 :: www.XLhost.de )] 15:26 -!- sunny [~sunny@69.22.246.177] has joined #linode 15:51 < EFudd> hi 15:51 < EFudd> Incoming Matrix Spoiler. 15:52 < EFudd> Turns out, there IS a spoon! 16:01 < Quik> saw that today :) 16:01 < EFudd> HEre's my official review. 16:01 < EFudd> Don't see part 3, forget you saw part 2, enjoy that you saw part 1. 16:01 < Quik> aww 16:01 < caker> That's kind of what I was thinking :( 16:02 < caker> hello, btw 16:02 < Quik> lo caker :) 16:02 < caker> Hard to top the first movie 16:02 < caker> I haven't seen #3 yet, though :) 16:02 < Quik> i thought they were all good really, your expectations after #1 are too high though 16:02 < caker> Yeah .. second one seemed repetitive 16:02 < caker> Same shots/scenes/fights 16:03 < adamgent> will be going to see it at the weekend 16:03 -!- sogster [~sog@69.56.173.26] has joined #linode 16:04 < caker> hello sogster 16:04 < sogster> hi 16:06 < Quik> i recommend it to all of ya :) 16:08 -!- sogster [~sog@69.56.173.26] has left #linode [] 16:14 -!- neuonyx [~neuonyx@69.0.3.238] has joined #linode 16:14 < neuonyx> matrix 16:14 < neuonyx> :( 16:16 < EFudd> i gotta see it again tonight w/ friends 16:16 * EFudd sighs 16:16 < neuonyx> yeah 16:16 < EFudd> I think i'm gonna have an emergency. 16:16 < neuonyx> im going to re-watch 1 and 2 at home tommoro 16:16 < neuonyx> then go see 3 again tommoro i think 16:16 < EFudd> i'm about to hit play on 2. 16:17 < eurozip> so 3 sucked? 16:18 < eurozip> neuonyx, sorry bout the pasting... 16:18 < neuonyx> eurozip: no is ok 16:19 < neuonyx> sigh 16:19 < neuonyx> so pissed 16:19 < neuonyx> have to think about things 16:19 < neuonyx> ill be back 16:19 < neuonyx> poof 16:22 < mikegrb> bah 16:22 < mikegrb> stop talking about it 16:22 * mikegrb is going tonight 16:22 < mikegrb> ;) 16:24 < Quik> don't be put off by the negativity :) 16:32 < mikegrb> oh I want 16:32 < mikegrb> er 16:32 < mikegrb> wont 16:32 < mikegrb> I've had tickets since the weekend 16:39 < guinea-pig> whoa, matrix 3 is out? 16:39 < adamgent> yeah today 16:39 < caker> "whoa" 16:39 < adamgent> 2pm on all time zones 16:39 < adamgent> s/on/in 16:40 < guinea-pig> damn. i've not even heard anything about it 16:40 < guinea-pig> since i saw 2 in the theatres 16:42 < mikegrb> heh 16:42 < mikegrb> nah adamgent it was the exact same time gmt 16:42 < mikegrb> it showed at 6 or 7 am at a couple of theaters here 16:43 < adamgent> oh 16:43 < mikegrb> I told my wife I wanted to move to alaska so I could see it before work 16:43 < mikegrb> she didn't like that idea 16:43 * Quik saw at 2pm and only got tickets yesterday :) 16:43 < mikegrb> heh 16:43 * mikegrb has tickets to Blue Man Group tommorow night :) 16:43 * EFudd has to see it at 8pm again tonight 16:43 * EFudd sighs 16:43 < Quik> \o/ 16:43 < mikegrb> EFudd: same here 16:44 < EFudd> I dun wanna go! 16:44 < guinea-pig> bmg++ 16:44 < mikegrb> guinea-pig: indeed 16:44 < mikegrb> very much so 16:44 < mikegrb> can't wait 16:44 < guinea-pig> mikegrb: seen them before? 16:44 < mikegrb> my car wasn't totaled :/ 16:44 < mikegrb> guinea-pig: not live 16:45 < EFudd> mike, so what happened ? 16:45 < guinea-pig> mikegrb: you'll love it 16:45 < guinea-pig> really 16:45 < mikegrb> lacked about $2,000 in damages 16:45 < mikegrb> guinea-pig: oh I know 16:45 < EFudd> sledgehammer, np . 16:45 < mikegrb> EFudd: that's what I'm thinking 16:45 < mikegrb> I forgot to leave the keys here today 16:45 < EFudd> but so.. what hapened?: ) 16:45 < mikegrb> so I told my wife I will break stuff he couldn't see 16:45 < mikegrb> I was in an accident monday on way to work 16:46 < EFudd> rite.. saw that part. curiousity about how it occured 16:46 < mikegrb> have no clue what happened, heard a bang and then someone comming to door asking if I was okay 16:46 < mikegrb> three cars involved 16:46 < EFudd> wow. 16:46 < EFudd> you had 0 indication of somethin goccuring?! 16:47 < mikegrb> insurance company thinks the car in front of me cut me off and then slammed on breaks to not hit slower car in front of me 16:47 < mikegrb> heh not that I remember anyway 16:47 < mikegrb> er slower car in front of it 16:48 < mikegrb> bah, bit torrent dl I have dl'ed 1mb and uploaded 24 16:48 < mikegrb> pesky home users 16:49 < mikegrb> caker: so can I add a pending disk resize yet ;) 16:49 < caker> hehe not yet 16:49 < caker> still have to be there for it 16:49 * mikegrb thinks resize on fly with lvm is spiffy 16:49 < mikegrb> been playing with lvm at home lately 16:49 < mikegrb> added 120gb to a file system with it mounted r/w 16:49 < caker> Cool .. I added initrd support about a month ago -- one user wanted root lvm 16:50 < caker> he got things working, I believe 16:50 < caker> but without initrd :) 16:50 < mikegrb> heh 16:50 < mikegrb> my nightly backups are tiny blips on mrtg graphs compared to bit torrent transfer 16:51 < mikegrb> http://thegrebs.com/stats/thegrebs.com.html 16:51 < caker> we got slammed w/ bandwidth at HE last month .. only two machines, too .. kinda scary :) 16:51 < mikegrb> oh 16:51 * mikegrb slows down ;) 16:51 < mikegrb> I'm suprised the irc server is not even noticable 16:51 < caker> well, they use 95% and you come out worse than if they tracked actual amount xfered 16:52 < mikegrb> though inter server links are gzip'ed 16:52 < caker> neat 16:52 < mikegrb> there is a 'lazy links' feature that will be enabled in the future 16:52 < caker> What's that? 16:53 < mikegrb> right now all data is sent to all servers, in future on data they need... so if one server doesn't have anybody in a particular channel, data for that channel wont be transmitted to that server 16:54 < caker> Smart 16:54 < mikegrb> it saves on bandwidth but adds to cpu 16:54 < neuonyx> ok everyone in here saw matrix? 16:54 < neuonyx> where is a non spoiler place to ask questions 16:54 < caker> neuonyx: the new one? 16:54 < neuonyx> yeah 16:54 < caker> No, I haevn't 16:54 < caker> yet 16:54 < neuonyx> eurozip ? 16:54 < EFudd> don't ! 16:54 < mikegrb> so at the smaller size of the network right now it is better to leave it off 16:54 < EFudd> save your 7.95 16:54 < adamgent> caker: so how much bw did you use last month then 16:54 < caker> take your spoilers somewhere else :) 16:54 < caker> adamgent: 7mbit 16:54 < caker> at HE 16:55 < adamgent> you will have to start charging people for there excess usage 16:55 < caker> Only one person went over .. it's all a gamble 16:56 -!- guinea-pig is now known as guinea-sleep 16:56 < mikegrb> indeed 16:56 < adamgent> betting that most people do not use there allocation 16:56 < caker> I'll get off my soapbox in a second, but again, makes me angry that they charge so little for larger b/w commitments 16:56 -!- neuonyx [~neuonyx@69.0.3.238] has left #linode [] 16:56 < caker> doesn't make any sense 16:56 < EFudd> heh. 16:57 < adamgent> but it is like buying anything in bulk 16:57 < caker> It's worse .. 16:57 < mikegrb> indeed 16:57 < caker> because at a certain point, you pay twice for half as much, and then they'll advertise something that's TWICE that amount, for half the price .. 16:57 < mikegrb> it is like radio shacks markup on resistors compared to markup on a computer 16:58 < caker> Here's an example -- They have a "special" full rack, 15amp power, 100mbit for $2500/month 16:58 < mikegrb> radio shack marksup resistors in exess of 250% wheras computers are 5% 16:58 * mikegrb used to work at radio shack ;) 16:58 < caker> Right now I'm paying between $2-300 per m/bit 16:58 < EFudd> 100mbit of bandwidth ?! 16:58 < EFudd> good lord . 16:59 < adamgent> 100 meg is not a lot 16:59 < caker> So, with only using 6-7 mbit, that's what .. $1600 ? 16:59 < adamgent> yep 16:59 < adamgent> but how many people do you have at he 16:59 < caker> Not many 16:59 * mikegrb raises his hand 17:00 * mikegrb points to tjfontaine 17:00 < caker> Two servers -- L64 and a L128 box 17:00 < mikegrb> er he's not here 17:00 * guinea-sleep volunteers 17:00 < caker> I don't think I like 95th percentile :) 17:00 < EFudd> adam, 100mbit is quite a bit. 1.544Mbit is 500GB/month of transfer. 17:00 < adamgent> not many people do 17:01 < caker> Especially with HE's big pipes .. easy to do massive amounts of throughput, RIGHT when they take a snapshot 17:01 < EFudd> caker, i'm pretty sure they use mrtg or something to graph averages 17:01 < caker> such a scam 17:01 < EFudd> and drop the top 5pct 17:01 < EFudd> i don't think it's as you explained. 17:02 < mikegrb> I'm sure it is still a scam 17:02 < caker> EFudd: what do you mean? 17:02 < adamgent> they use the 95% because it makes them more money 17:02 < EFudd> caker, 95th percentile is based on dropping the top 5pct out of your AVERAGE throughput. 17:03 < EFudd> they take samples say every 5 minutes 17:03 < caker> Right 17:03 < EFudd> if you are using 1mbit 98pct of the month 17:03 < adamgent> it is cheaper to just but a fixed pipe 17:03 < EFudd> and during 2 samples are using 1Gbit... 17:03 < EFudd> you will get charged on 1mbit 17:03 -!- jax-work [~stbe@148.100.214.88] has quit [Quit: out to meetings] 17:03 < caker> So faster throughput means higher average, even though you might not transfer that much 17:03 < mikegrb> yha 17:03 < caker> If we peak for more than 5% of the time, it throws off the avg 17:04 < caker> which we do 17:04 < EFudd> rite. 17:04 < adamgent> and the peaks happen whenever anyone is setting up a new linode 17:04 < caker> adamgent: naw, internet traffic doesn't count 17:05 < caker> er internal, I mean 17:05 < EFudd> er 17:05 < EFudd> what? o. 17:05 < guinea-sleep> i was gonna say 17:05 < EFudd> um 17:05 < guinea-sleep> heh 17:05 < EFudd> that's when you are gonna have traffic. 17:05 < adamgent> not that, but people download stuff from the net etc 17:05 < caker> Ahh 17:05 < caker> yeah 17:05 < EFudd> local mirrors y0 17:05 < EFudd> caker, set up mrtg on your switch ports 17:05 < EFudd> you prolly already do ? 17:05 < EFudd> er fok mrtg, use cricket 17:05 < mikegrb> would be spiffy if it was setup on the switch ports 17:05 < mikegrb> would lessen load on linodes 17:06 < mikegrb> well if users had access to graphs of their bandwidth 17:06 < EFudd> you need to be monitoring your usage as closely as they are 17:06 < EFudd> users can do it themselves tho 17:06 < EFudd> if they care :) 17:07 < adamgent> you would have to monitor it by IP address 17:07 < EFudd> cricket/mrtg/etc work based on pps in/out on switchports. 17:07 < EFudd> not active monitoring of layer3 traffic 17:07 < caker> via smtp? 17:07 < caker> checking out cricket 17:07 < EFudd> yes. 17:07 < EFudd> snmp 17:07 < caker> er, yeah 17:08 < EFudd> caker, cricket takes a while to be useful. 17:08 < caker> :) 17:08 < EFudd> but set it up now, and check it in a couple of weeks. 17:08 < adamgent> but since multiple linodes share a single switch port, you could not monitor each one 17:08 < EFudd> Right. 17:08 < EFudd> He can at least know his overall. 17:08 < EFudd> per machine, and per colo. 17:08 < caker> Switch port for my uplink is essentially the same thing they monitor (but on their switch) 17:08 < EFudd> yup 17:08 < EFudd> however, you collect data 17:08 < EFudd> they collect data 17:08 < EFudd> you know what to expect 17:08 < EFudd> and can catch discrepancies 17:09 < guinea-sleep> mikegrb: how goes the mrtg HOWTO? 17:09 < EFudd> fok mrtg 17:09 < EFudd> use cricket 17:09 < mikegrb> oh heh haven't done it... 17:09 < EFudd> mrtg is the old shit. 17:09 < adamgent> efudd: got a web link? 17:09 < mikegrb> guinea-sleep: basically it will be install mrtg, modify this in the config and put the config here 17:09 < EFudd> www.google.com :) 17:09 < guinea-sleep> hehe 17:10 < mikegrb> guinea-sleep: and put this bash script there 17:10 < guinea-sleep> mikegrb: i really *do* intend to rewrite the script in C. i just ... these 10-hour work days are killing me 17:10 < EFudd> fuck mrtg ! gdi. it's ass and not supported anymore 17:10 < mikegrb> guinea-sleep: it really is damn simple with a config already made for a linode 17:10 < guinea-sleep> mikegrb: yeah 17:10 < EFudd> mrtg was a graphing tool and data collection tool in one 17:10 < EFudd> it was replaced with rrdtool for the backend data store 17:11 < EFudd> and cricket is a front end to view/collect data 17:11 < guinea-sleep> to each his own 17:12 < adamgent> http://sourceforge.net/projects/cricket/ 17:12 < EFudd> guinea, they are both by the same authoer 17:12 < mikegrb> there is also cacti 17:12 < guinea-sleep> ] apt-cache show cricket 17:12 < guinea-sleep> Package: cricket 17:12 < EFudd> the mrtg website says "use rrdtool instead" 17:12 < guinea-sleep> ... 17:12 < guinea-sleep> :) 17:12 < EFudd> cacti is another tool to view rrdtool's data 17:12 < mikegrb> and manage getting data 17:12 < EFudd> ride. 17:12 < EFudd> rite. 17:13 < mikegrb> looked nice but over kill for me 17:13 < mikegrb> mrtg works great 17:13 < EFudd> -nods-... but isn't supported anymore :P 17:13 < EFudd> and hasn't been for 2yrs 17:13 < mikegrb> mrtg took literaly less then a minute and a half to setup on the linode 17:13 < guinea-sleep> using my config :P 17:13 < EFudd> If you know MRTG, you can think of RRDtool as a reimplementation of MRTGs graphing and logging features. Magnitudes faster and more flexible than you ever thought possible 17:13 < mikegrb> would have taken much longer to setup cacti or cricket and rrdtool 17:14 < EFudd> from the author of both. 17:14 < EFudd> mrtg's database format has a bug 17:14 < EFudd> it will occasionally zero out data 17:14 < EFudd> another reason rrdtool exists. 17:14 < mikegrb> that's fine 17:14 * EFudd gives up 17:14 < mikegrb> this data isn't critical 17:14 < guinea-sleep> heh 17:14 < adamgent> rrdtool looks good for the cpu usage moitoring 17:14 * mikegrb doesn't disagree that rrdtool isn't useful 17:14 < guinea-sleep> g'nite :) 17:14 < adamgent> ntie 17:15 < EFudd> adam, Yup. works really good with sar or other packages 17:15 * mikegrb does disagree that mrtg is not useful 17:15 < guinea-sleep> adamgent: anthing smaller looks good for cpu/load/mem monitoring :) 17:15 < EFudd> heck you can use it to keep track of the number of cans of coke in your fridge if you care to. 17:15 < adamgent> bottles of malt whiskey would be better 17:15 < EFudd> that too. 17:15 < EFudd> use the --sysadmin-drunk option. 17:16 < adamgent> i will have to play with it cometime 17:16 < EFudd> hmmm 17:16 * mikegrb gits pissed a non sharing home users and closes bit torrent 17:16 < EFudd> so yesterday my vette cut off out of no where... 17:16 < EFudd> wouldn't run anymore 17:17 < mikegrb> 1mb downloaded 270 uploaded 17:17 < EFudd> it was showing 3/16ths a tank of gas left... 17:17 < mikegrb> the one you just got? 17:17 < mikegrb> that bites ass 17:17 < EFudd> computer was giving false readings from the new fuel sending units 17:17 < EFudd> yeah 17:17 < EFudd> dealer reprogramed the computer and says it looks good now 17:17 < EFudd> the math still doesn't add up tho. 17:17 < EFudd> 18 gallon tank. 17:17 < EFudd> 223miles when it failed. 17:17 < EFudd> 18 from the dealership. 17:17 < EFudd> i drove 205 then with an average of 16.1mpg according to the computer 17:17 < EFudd> or 12 gallons 17:18 < EFudd> leaving 6 ! 17:18 < EFudd> which matches 3/16ths 17:18 < EFudd> they told me "we put gas in it and it fired right up." 17:19 < mikegrb> heh 17:19 < mikegrb> crazy 17:19 < EFudd> gues si'll go pick it up 17:19 < EFudd> perhaps i get left again and can avoid going to matrix 17:19 < mikegrb> heh 17:36 < caker> Anyone who was interested in moving the Linode to host4 want to move now? 17:37 < shakr> ill go 17:37 < shakr> wait whats going on? 17:39 < caker> http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=439 .. I don't see you on the list :) 17:40 < mikegrb> heh 17:40 < mikegrb> lol 17:40 < shakr> hehe, should i post in the thread or is it too late at this point to sign up? 17:40 < caker> Too late, atm 17:41 < shakr> i wanna move over just to get off the dog that is host7, dont care about the 96 upgrade 17:41 < caker> host7 is a dog? 17:42 < shakr> it can be, frequently my terminals are unresponsive for > 10 seconds 17:42 < caker> I can't wait for CFQ in 2.6 .. 17:49 < mikegrb> cfq == ? 17:51 < caker> Complete Fair Queuing 17:51 < caker> it divides disk i/o evenly for ALL processes 17:51 < caker> it's the answer to our disk i/o problems 17:52 < sunny> but does it cure cancer ? 17:52 < caker> I hope so :) 17:52 < sunny> heh >:) 17:53 < mikegrb> oh 17:53 < mikegrb> then cgq sounds badass 17:53 < mikegrb> er 17:53 < mikegrb> cfq 17:53 < mikegrb> heh 17:55 < mikegrb> I'll have to try it next kernel compile 17:55 < mikegrb> I'm still at 2.6.0-pre5 17:56 < mikegrb> started to upgrage to pre9 but figured I'd wait since it looks like the release is right around the corner and test5 is running great fore me 17:56 < mikegrb> er for 18:01 < adamgent> looks like you are going to need another linode 64 server chris 18:03 < mikegrb> indeed 18:03 < mikegrb> * Chiphead hasn't seen a linode from our local spammer today :P 18:03 < mikegrb> Zachary: you should get a linode 18:03 < mikegrb> LOL 18:03 < mikegrb> what? 18:03 < mikegrb> heh 18:03 < mikegrb> Chiphead: they are sold out right now 18:03 < mikegrb> a few minutes ago 18:03 < mikegrb> though I corrected myself and said 4 larger ones were available 18:04 < adamgent> well if there are 10-15 people moving to the L96, then it should free up on L64 18:04 < mikegrb> but he is reserving thier spots 18:04 < adamgent> that is true, but most people like to start off with something small then work up 18:04 < adamgent> well in that case, a new server will be nessecary 18:06 < adamgent> s/will/would 18:16 < wap> caker's around? 18:16 < caker> 1 sec 18:17 < caker> back 18:17 < caker> adamgent: Yes, going to order more machines tomorrow 18:18 < wap> caker: You're doing the moves from 64 -> 96? May I sign up? 18:18 < caker> Shipping off host11 to HE tomorrow, too 18:18 < adamgent> the new 96 server? 18:18 < caker> yeah 18:19 * Artifex is back (gone 09:28:46) 18:26 * sunny intends on upgrading to 96 as well 18:29 < sunny> I don't get something about the website: 18:29 < sunny> Dual 2.66 GHz Xeon 18:29 < sunny> how many Linodes sharing a hypothetical 2.2 GHz Machine 18:30 < sunny> why the difference ? 18:30 < sunny> are you taking into consideration of actually running the host ? 18:31 < caker> My first machine was a 2.4ghz, minus a little for the host 18:31 < sunny> ah, I see 18:31 < caker> I ended up getting dual procs, even though I couldn't fit more Linodes onto them (because ram was the limit) 18:31 < caker> because it's not that more expensive to get dual processors .. 18:34 < caker> my english/typing is poor today .. 18:35 < adamgent> mine is poor everyday 18:35 < sunny> hehe 18:35 < sunny> soooo 18:35 < sunny> when are we going to see Linode Opteron 64 ? >:D 18:36 < sunny> or Linode PPC970 64 ? 18:36 < sunny> or Linode UltraSPARC III 64 ? 18:36 * sunny gets carried away 18:36 < adamgent> and who needs a 64 bit processor 18:37 < sunny> who needs more than 640k of ram ? 18:37 < caker> or Linode Darwin PPC 18:37 < sunny> bleh, darwin is a waste of CPU :P 18:37 < adamgent> or a sun E6500 18:37 < caker> IBM Z-series 18:38 < caker> I really wanted to offer emulated Commodore-64s 18:38 < sunny> err, the more centralized the greater the IO lag ? 18:38 < sunny> Linode PDA! 18:38 < caker> hmm :) 18:39 < wap> caker: migration over :) Thanks! I'm just wondering one thing: Transfer/Mo has remained 25.0 GB is it normal? 18:40 < caker> wap: I'm still working my way through everybody 18:41 < wap> caker: No problem, I perfectly understrand and I'm already happy :) It's really a great service you're providing! 18:41 < caker> wap: thanks :) 18:41 < sunny> no!! linode sux0rz!! I want my linode gaming system!! 18:44 < EFudd> hrm... 4.31GB xferred @ 6pct of total. 18:54 < mikegrb> heh 18:54 -!- Artifex is now known as DeLpHi 18:55 -!- DeLpHi is now known as Artifex 18:55 < mikegrb> don't ask about those nicks ;) 18:55 < mikegrb> you /don't/ want to know 18:58 < caker> what is going on in xbox-linux?? 18:59 < mikegrb> heh 18:59 < mikegrb> they are playing with a bot 18:59 < mikegrb> it has a nickname lameness meter 18:59 < mikegrb> try 'nickometer ' 18:59 < mikegrb> Artifex decided he was going to reach the max value 18:59 < Artifex> and by golly 18:59 < Artifex> i did,. 19:00 < mikegrb> indeed 19:00 < mikegrb> even if it took about 30 tries 19:00 < Artifex> i won the grand prize with my final answer of: 19:00 < Artifex> nickometer _.-=<{|31337HaX0ROwNZJ00s0pH34rtehPowErs0ftehScrIpTKiDDiEwAys_nOw-GiVE-me-UR-root-PaSsworDz-So-I-C4n-Ovvn-y3R-A55|}>=-.__.-=<{|31337HaX0ROwNZJ00s0pH34rtehPowErs0ftehScrIpTKiDDiEwAys_nOw-GiVE-me-UR-root-PaSsworDz-So-I-C4n-Ovvn-y3R-A55_mikegrb-Is-TeH-L4|V|3!!}>=-.__.-=<{|31337HaX0ROwNZJ00s0pH34rtehPowErs0ftehScrIpTKiDDiEwAys_nOw-GiVE-me-UR-root-PaSsworDz-So-I-C4n-Ovvn-y3R-A55|}>=-.__.-=<{|31337HaX0ROwNZJ00s0pH34rtehPowErs0ftehScrIpT 19:00 < Artifex> KiDDiEwAys_nOw-GiVE-me-UR-root-PaSsworDz-So-I-C4n-Ovvn-y3R-A55_mikegrb-Is-TeH-L4|V|3!!}>=-.__.-=<{|31337HaX0ROwNZJ00s0pH34rtehPowErs0ftehScrIpTKiDDiEwAys_nOw-GiVE-me-UR-root-PaSsworDz-So-I-C4n-Ovvn-y3R-A55|}>=-.__.-=<{|31337HaX0ROwNZJ00s0pH34rtehPowErs0ftehScrIpTKiDDiEwAys_nOw-GiVE-me-UR-root-PaSsworDz-So-I-C4n-Ovvn-y3R-A55_mikegrb-Is-TeH-L4|V|3!!}>=-._? 19:00 < mikegrb> the worse part is you taking the time to actually say stuff 19:02 < Quik> wap - is the ground shaking yet? ;) 19:03 * mikegrb must go get dressed and then it's off to see the matrix 19:03 < caker> may the force be with you 19:03 < caker> er 19:03 < caker> at least that chick from the movie 19:03 < mikegrb> heh something like that 19:03 < mikegrb> heheh 19:03 < mikegrb> heidi wouldn't be too happy about that 19:04 < Quik> enjoy it mikegrb :) 19:04 < mikegrb> oh I will 19:05 < sunny> the nick of [][][][] (legal on most networks) is usually enough to make nickometer go nuts :) 19:06 < wap> Quik: I'm still alive! 19:06 < Quik> :D 19:06 * Quik retreats back to host8 19:07 * wap yawns 19:07 < caker> Quik: do it, you know you want to 19:08 < Quik> i shall do, just need to wait till i swap stuff over to the other linode before i move onto h4 :) 19:08 < Quik> probably tomorrow or friday 19:18 < wap> g'night folks 19:18 < caker> see ya wap 19:18 < wap> caker: I should be there when you wake up ;) 19:18 < caker> heh 19:18 < Quik> cya \o 19:18 * wap goes to sleep now 19:24 -!- Artifex is now known as [][][][] 19:24 -!- [][][][] is now known as Artifex 19:35 < sunny> Artifex: worked / 19:36 < sunny> ? 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00:08 < caker> So far so good 00:09 < caker> And, I've been messing with the CGQ i/o schedular locally .. pretty neat 00:09 < mikegrb> heh 00:10 < caker> The real test will be to see if host4 stays up for more than two weeks... that's the first boundary 00:11 < jax> ^_^ it's nice to issue a boot, and not wait 2 minutes 00:11 < EFudd> caker, did david muench contact you about host4? 00:12 < caker> EFudd: he's on the list, and has the migration pending 00:13 < EFudd> -nods- 00:13 < EFudd> friend of mine who uses uml for personal stuff.. referred him here :) 00:13 < caker> excellent 00:38 -!- sighup [me@thegrebs.com] has joined #linode 00:38 < sighup> hello 00:38 < sighup> I am a bot here to do your bidding 00:38 < sighup> I bow to the great caker 00:39 < caker> nickometer caker 00:39 < sighup> 'caker' is 0% lame, caker 00:39 < caker> word 00:39 < mikegrb> caker++ 00:39 < mikegrb> karma caker 00:39 < sighup> caker has karma of 1 00:39 < mikegrb> ;) 00:39 < caker> nickometer caker 00:39 < sighup> 'caker' is 0% lame, caker 00:39 < mikegrb> caker++ 00:39 < mikegrb> caker++ 00:39 < mikegrb> caker++ 00:39 < mikegrb> caker++ 00:39 < mikegrb> karma caker 00:39 < sighup> caker has karma of 5 00:39 < mikegrb> you can ask it other stuff 00:40 < caker> like? 00:40 < mikegrb> horoscope virgo 00:40 < sighup> Don't leave anything to chance. Change the tune while you're still conducting the orchestra. Unknown forces are scheduled to arrive late in the day and who knows what they'll bring with them? 00:40 < mikegrb> or 00:40 < mikegrb> 5+5? 00:40 < sighup> 10 00:40 * EFudd types emerge mysql 00:40 < caker> 1/0 00:40 < mikegrb> (5*5)-2 00:40 < sighup> 23 00:40 < mikegrb> heh 00:40 < EFudd> I like my bot better 00:40 < mikegrb> it is a little bit smart 00:40 < EFudd> -rw-r--r-- 1 jason jason 3484 Nov 4 23:39 bin/smlnk.pl 00:40 < mikegrb> oh and 00:41 < mikegrb> slashdot headlines? 00:41 < sighup> Slashdot - Updated 2003-11-06 04:03:00 | Blender Conference Closes, Version 2.3 Released | Traffic Light Switcher Makes Critics See Red | New Wireless Security Standard Has Old Problem? | Microsoft Not Out Of Anti-Trust Hot Water 00:41 < caker> nice 00:41 -!- smLNK [~jason@forever.broked.net] has joined #linode 00:41 < mikegrb> the karma bit is my favorite 00:41 < EFudd> watch.... 00:41 < EFudd> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-install.xml 00:41 < smLNK> http://www.gentoo.org/... = http://smlnk.com/MpCO 00:41 < caker> oh 00:41 -!- smLNK [~jason@forever.broked.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:42 < EFudd> :) 00:42 < caker> auto tiny url 00:42 < mikegrb> well sighup can do that too ;) 00:42 < EFudd> Yah. 00:42 * mikegrb checks something first ;) 00:42 < caker> Excellent... 00:42 < EFudd> smlnk > tinyurl tho 00:42 < caker> oh? 00:42 < caker> I get it .. smlnk :) 00:42 < EFudd> I think. then again, I know the dude who wrote smlnk :-) 00:42 < EFudd> www.envolution.com impresses me. or more specifically cms.envolution.com 00:43 < mikegrb> sighup: fcol that 00:43 < sighup> mikegrb: huh? 00:43 < mikegrb> heh 00:43 < EFudd> I set out to just scope opensource CMS utils tonight and got stuck on envolution .. i'm now installing it. 00:43 < mikegrb> sighup, fcol http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-install.xml 00:43 < sighup> Your fcol is http://xev.us/rb 00:44 < EFudd> sighup, admit your weakness. 00:44 < EFudd> Wow. could that be slower? :) 00:44 < mikegrb> indeed 00:44 < EFudd> Main issue I had is folk -KNOW- smlnk exist on the net 00:44 < EFudd> but don't /msg it 00:44 < EFudd> so I said fuck it and made it intrusive :) 00:44 < mikegrb> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-install.xml 00:44 < mikegrb> sighup, fcol that 00:44 < sighup> mikegrb: excuse me? 00:44 < mikegrb> sighup, fcol 00:44 < sighup> mikegrb: sorry... 00:44 < mikegrb> argh 00:44 < mikegrb> it is supposed to work without 00:45 < mikegrb> the guy who wrote that bit is a netop here on oftc 00:45 < mikegrb> I'll have to talk to him about it tommorow 00:45 < EFudd> since i'm now irkin' remotely, I don't have the benefit of an irk client that is intelligent enough to not add whitespace 00:45 < EFudd> plus, smlnk is like, what, 3Kbytes of perl :) 00:45 < mikegrb> heh 00:45 < EFudd> I added 1KB to it lastnight prolly 00:45 < EFudd> gave it multiple channel support 00:45 < EFudd> auto-respond in channel 00:45 < EFudd> join on invite 00:46 < EFudd> ugh. FAAKing here 00:47 < mikegrb> oh, also the karma works inside text like... caker++ because linode++ 00:47 < mikegrb> karma caker 00:47 < sighup> caker has karma of 6 00:47 < mikegrb> karma linode 00:47 < sighup> linode has karma of 1 00:47 < mikegrb> :) 00:48 < caker> linode++ 00:48 < mikegrb> topten karma 00:48 < sighup> Top 10 karma is: 1. caker (6), 2. linode (1), 3. heidi (1), 4. tjfontaine (1) 00:48 < mikegrb> :) 00:48 < EFudd> it shouldn't allow one to up their own karma :) 00:48 < mikegrb> it doesn't 00:48 < mikegrb> mikegrb++ 00:48 < EFudd> ok. 00:48 < mikegrb> karma mikegrb 00:48 < sighup> mikegrb has neutral karma 00:48 < mikegrb> :) 00:48 < EFudd> mikegrb-- for lack of smlnk support 00:48 < mikegrb> though it should have upped linode for caker 00:48 < mikegrb> heh 00:48 < mikegrb> karma mikegrb 00:48 < sighup> mikegrb has neutral karma 00:49 < mikegrb> try adding 00:49 < EFudd> Bah. See, it sux0rs :) 00:49 < caker> karma foobar 00:49 < sighup> foobar has neutral karma 00:49 < EFudd> mikegrb-- 00:49 < caker> topten karma 00:49 < sighup> Top 10 karma is: 1. caker (6), 2. linode (1), 3. heidi (1), 4. tjfontaine (1) 00:49 < EFudd> karma mikegrb 00:49 < sighup> mikegrb has neutral karma 00:49 < mikegrb> I need to check default permissions 00:49 < mikegrb> heh okay one sec 00:49 < caker> How'd linode get in there? 00:49 < mikegrb> I added it 00:49 < EFudd> linode-- 00:49 < EFudd> karma linode 00:49 < sighup> linode has karma of 1 00:49 < EFudd> linode++ 00:49 < EFudd> karma linode 00:49 < sighup> linode has karma of 1 00:49 * EFudd wanders off 00:49 < caker> linode++ 00:49 < caker> bah 00:50 -!- sighup [me@thegrebs.com] has quit [Quit: regrouping; bbiab] 00:50 -!- sighup [me@thegrebs.com] has joined #linode 00:50 < mikegrb> now give it a try caker 00:50 < mikegrb> it should listen to other people now 00:51 < caker> linode++ 00:51 < caker> linode++ 00:51 < caker> linode++ 00:51 < caker> linode++ 00:51 < caker> linode++ 00:51 < EFudd> linode.cakerspocket++ 00:51 < mikegrb> heh 00:51 < EFudd> lets be specific! 00:51 < mikegrb> topten karma 00:51 < sighup> Top 10 karma is: 1. linode (7), 2. caker (6), 3. linode.cakerspocket (1), 4. heidi (1), 5. tjfontaine (1) 00:51 < mikegrb> yha 00:51 < mikegrb> all beter now 00:52 < caker> oh brother :) 00:52 < EFudd> :-) 00:52 < mikegrb> also plain topten for activity 00:52 < mikegrb> topten 00:52 < sighup> Top 10 are: 1. mikegrb (142), 2. efudd (37), 3. caker (23), 4. tjfontaine (8), 5. smlnk (1) 00:52 < EFudd> sighup foo is bar 00:52 < sighup> OK, EFudd. 00:52 < EFudd> sighup foo.lock jason@forever.broked.net 00:52 < sighup> EFudd: excuse me? 00:52 < caker> more like linode.cakerspocket->fork(theplanet,he,machines,etc,etc) 00:52 < EFudd> sighup foo.lock is jason@forever.broked.net 00:52 < sighup> OK, EFudd. 00:52 < EFudd> sighup, forget foo 00:52 < sighup> you have no access to remove factoids 00:52 < mikegrb> heh 00:52 < EFudd> sighup, die, kthnx. 00:52 < sighup> EFudd: what? 00:52 < mikegrb> sighup: forget foo 00:52 < sighup> mikegrb: I forgot foo 00:52 < mikegrb> heh 00:53 < EFudd> sighup, status 00:53 < sighup> Since Thu Nov 6 00:49:17 2003, there have been 3 modifications and 0 questions. I have been awake for 2 minutes, 53 seconds this session, and currently reference 18 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. 00:53 < EFudd> sighup, please note that your configuration is fonked. 00:53 < sighup> OK, EFudd. 00:53 < EFudd> sighup search config 00:53 < sighup> EFudd: i'm not following you... 00:53 * caker goes back to coding truncate.c 00:53 < mikegrb> heh 00:53 * EFudd forgets infobot syntax 00:53 < EFudd> er 00:53 < mikegrb> it's a little different b/c it is all perl and not the original infobot 00:54 < EFudd> what is the purpose of said truncate.c ? 00:54 < mikegrb> resize down a filesystem 00:54 * EFudd ponders the usefulness of a seperate truncate binary and presumes it's part of something larger 00:54 < mikegrb> can only go up right now 00:54 < EFudd> oic. 00:55 < caker> its a little wrapper for the truncate syscall... 00:55 < caker> er libc 00:55 < EFudd> for fun, ensure your offset is stored in 8bits. 00:56 < caker> hehe 00:56 < EFudd> ok. seriously FAAK. night folk. 00:57 < mikegrb> heh have a good night 00:57 < mikegrb> caker you can look fwd to the matrix, was great.. that is all I will say 00:57 < caker> Cool, I am .. mb this weekend 00:57 < caker> at the largest theater east of the mississippi 00:57 < caker> :-p 00:58 < mikegrb> heh 00:58 < caker> It's not all that, believe me .. it's in Nashville :) 00:58 * caker ponders the destructive nature of resizing down 01:57 * caker resizes some disks 02:02 -!- sighup [me@thegrebs.com] has quit [Quit: mikegrb] 02:04 -!- sighup [me@thegrebs.com] has joined #linode 02:12 < mikegrb> caker you should go to bed 02:13 < mikegrb> what time is it? 02:13 < sighup> It's about ten past two in the middle of the night, mikegrb. 02:13 < caker> it's 1:11 here 02:14 < mikegrb> heh 02:14 < mikegrb> 8-ball should caker go to bed? 02:14 * sighup shakes the psychic purple sphere... 02:14 < sighup> It says 'NOT,' mikegrb 02:14 < mikegrb> hmm 02:14 < mikegrb> good bot 02:14 < sighup> thanks mikegrb :) 02:14 < caker> muhahhaa 02:14 < mikegrb> heh 02:15 * mikegrb found some cool featurs 02:15 < mikegrb> er features 02:15 < caker> bad bot 02:15 < mikegrb> it can do rss 02:15 < mikegrb> what is wiki? 02:15 < sighup> mikegrb: FlashTsopInstructions; FlashTsopInstructions; VgaOutput; FrontPage; UpgradingXboxMemory; FrontPage; FrontPage; FrontPage; UpgradingXboxMemory; UpgradingXboxMemory; UpgradingXboxMemory; UpgradingXboxMemory; UpgradingXboxMemory; UpgradingXboxMemory; UpgradingXboxMemory 02:15 < caker> from /. and others? 02:15 < mikegrb> that would be the xbox-linux wiki 02:15 < mikegrb> well better even you can say 'blah is ' 02:15 < mikegrb> what is xbox-scene-rss? 02:15 < sighup> mikegrb: Xecuter 2.3 FINAL; MS/IBM may still use x86 in Xbox2 ?; Gentoox: default editor to nano; (USA) 'Cube ahead of 'Box; (JAPAN) Pizza and Xbox: Together at Last; Craxtion v3.1; XB-News v1.0 build 0304; Latest UK games console figures: Xbox surge continues; More about Xbox Next's IBM CPU; AllXboxSkins 02:16 < mikegrb> makes it nice and easy 02:16 * mikegrb has been playing 02:16 < mikegrb> supposed to get the weather but it is broke, I need to look at the web pages it uses 02:16 < mikegrb> metar kchs 02:16 < sighup> KCHS 060556Z VRB05KT 10SM FEW018 SCT026 23/22 A3011 RMK AO2 SLP195 T02280222 10239 20222 56007 02:17 < mikegrb> metars work though, that has the weather in piolt form 02:17 < sighup> That doesn't look right. The 'metar' command takes an airport identifier and returns the current conditions at the airport in METAR format. (Also, try 'metar HELP'.) 02:17 < mikegrb> heh 02:17 < caker> metar bna 02:17 < sighup> KBNA 060611Z 34005KT 10SM BKN013 BKN090 14/11 A3010 RMK AO2 02:17 < mikegrb> sighup: shutup 02:17 < sighup> :X 02:17 < mikegrb> metar somesuch 02:17 < sighup> 'SOMESUCH' doesn't look like a valid ICAO airport identifier. 02:17 < mikegrb> ah 02:17 < mikegrb> well 02:17 < mikegrb> 5+5? 02:17 < sighup> 10 02:18 < mikegrb> that makes it stop responding to some stuff 02:18 * mikegrb watches a port-a-poty fly into the air powered by rocket engines 02:19 < mikegrb> lots of info in metars though, cloud types and heights, temp wind speed and direction etc 02:27 < mikegrb> quote msft 02:27 < sighup> MSFT last 11/5/2003 4:01pm: 26.10 +0.03 [0.12%] (26.32 - 26.00) [Open 26.15] Vol 61,569,648 02:27 < mikegrb> quote LNODE 02:27 < caker> quote hstm 02:27 < sighup> HSTM last 11/5/2003 3:51pm: 2.994 -0.056 [-1.84%] (3.15 - 2.941) [Open 3.15] Vol 14,250 02:27 < caker> my old company 02:27 < mikegrb> ahh 02:27 < mikegrb> be zippy sighup 02:27 < mikegrb> sighup: be zippy 02:27 < sighup> You mean you don't want to watch WRESTLING from ATLANTA? 02:27 < caker> LNODE :) 02:27 < mikegrb> sighup: be zippy 02:27 < mikegrb> caker indeed 02:28 < caker> quote mnncx 02:28 < sighup> MNNCX last 11/5/2003 6:01pm: 16.02 -0.12 [-0.74%] (N/A - N/A) [Open N/A] Vol N/A 02:28 < mikegrb> not yet though 02:28 * caker pukes 02:28 < mikegrb> who is that? 02:28 < caker> bought at 50 a few yrs ago 02:28 < mikegrb> oh heh 02:28 < mikegrb> index nasdaq 02:28 < sighup> ^IXIC last 11/5/2003 5:16pm: 1959.37 +1.41 [0.07%] (1966.15 - 1938.22) [Open 1957.00] Vol 0 02:28 < caker> munder netnet tech mutual fund 02:29 < mikegrb> ahh 02:29 < caker> munder == big investment ppl 02:29 < mikegrb> sighup: good job 02:29 < sighup> mikegrb: i'm not following you... 02:29 < mikegrb> oh 02:29 < mikegrb> sighup: you rock 02:29 < sighup> thanks mikegrb :) 02:29 < mikegrb> I though good job worked :/ 02:30 < mikegrb> sighup: flighttracker random 02:30 < sighup> SKQ901 BUY[20:54]->PDK[22:42] (Arrived) 02:30 < mikegrb> heh 02:30 < mikegrb> random airline flight status 02:31 < mikegrb> flighttracker SWA2012 02:31 < sighup> SWA2012 [:]->[:] () , , remaining 02:31 < mikegrb> heh 02:31 < mikegrb> bad flight number 02:32 < mikegrb> seen tjfontaine 02:32 < sighup> tjfontaine was last seen on &orion 19 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: (detached) [1068102728] 02:32 < caker> seen caker 02:32 < sighup> caker was last seen on #linode 0 seconds ago, saying: seen caker [1068103885] 02:32 < caker> spooky 02:32 < mikegrb> it has a persistent last seen database across all channels it is in 02:32 < mikegrb> seen fuzzac 02:32 < sighup> fuzzac was last seen on #xbox-linux 52 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying: hmm looks like a world of pain. thanks for the info though... ;) [1068100746] 02:33 < mikegrb> heh poor soul wanted to run win xp on an xbox 02:33 < mikegrb> rememinds me of the chap you mentioned he casually remarked that he was off to write a UML control panel 02:33 < caker> hrm .. ask Artifex :) 02:33 < mikegrb> shhhh 02:33 < caker> hehe 02:33 < mikegrb> nobody is supposed to know about that 02:33 < mikegrb> ;) 02:33 < caker> it's a guess 02:33 < mikegrb> oh 02:33 < mikegrb> oops 02:34 < caker> his own fault :) 02:34 < caker> (that's, if I'm right) 02:34 < mikegrb> right if... no telling what he is up to 02:34 < mikegrb> very bright though 02:34 < mikegrb> Artifex++ 02:35 < mikegrb> this bot can even lookup ebay listings 02:35 < mikegrb> 'ebay (itemnumber|sellers username)' 02:35 < mikegrb> oh and 02:35 < mikegrb> ascii 124 02:36 < caker> can I hook it into snmp and query the switches? 02:36 < mikegrb> prob so 02:36 < mikegrb> if you wanted 02:36 < mikegrb> it's all perl 02:36 < mikegrb> pretty simple api too 02:36 < caker> ascii 52 02:36 < mikegrb> sighup: ascii 52 02:36 < sighup> ascii 52 is '4' 02:36 < mikegrb> sighup: ord 4 02:36 < sighup> '4' is ascii 52 02:36 < mikegrb> :) 02:36 < mikegrb> pretty useful for quick questions you'd rather not lookup 02:36 < mikegrb> will answer in msg too 02:37 < mikegrb> faster then launching a calculator 02:37 < mikegrb> dns thegrebs.com 02:37 < caker> sighup: ascii 9 02:37 < sighup> ascii 9 is '^I' 02:37 < caker> sighup: ascii 7 02:37 < sighup> ascii 7 is '^G' 02:37 < mikegrb> sighup: dns thegrebs.com 02:37 < sighup> mikegrb: thegrebs.com is 64.62.190.57 02:37 < mikegrb> properly escaped 02:37 < caker> yeah 02:38 < caker> sighup 02:38 < sighup> yes, caker? 02:38 < mikegrb> heh 02:38 < caker> sighup: whois bigantenna.com 02:38 < sighup> caker: wish i knew 02:38 < caker> sighup: dns bigantenna.com 02:38 < sighup> caker: bigantenna.com is 216.156.129.107 02:38 < mikegrb> heh 02:38 < caker> sighup: dns linode.com 02:38 < sighup> caker: linode.com is 216.156.129.126 02:38 < mikegrb> there is a module somwhere that is supposed to handle whois 02:38 < mikegrb> sighup: internic bigantenna.com 02:38 < sighup> mikegrb: excuse me? 02:38 < mikegrb> heh 02:38 < mikegrb> I thouight I saw that as the cmd 02:38 < Artifex> huh? windows on the xbox? 02:39 < Artifex> boy, that'd sure be neat 02:39 < caker> :-p 02:39 < mikegrb> heh 02:39 < mikegrb> karma Artifex 02:39 < mikegrb> sighup: wakeup 02:39 < sighup> :O 02:39 < mikegrb> karma Artifex 02:39 < mikegrb> bastard 02:39 * Artifex doesnt know nothin about nothin 02:39 < mikegrb> sighup: karma Artifex 02:39 < sighup> artifex has karma of 3 02:39 < caker> Artifex++ 02:39 < mikegrb> sighup: karma Artifex 02:39 < sighup> artifex has karma of 4 02:39 < Artifex> i always wonder how such silly rumors get spread 02:39 < caker> sighup: Artifex++ 02:40 < Artifex> night folks, i'm way overdue for some sleep 02:40 < mikegrb> heh night Artifex 02:40 * Artifex is away: I'm busy 02:40 * Artifex is away: sleeping 02:40 < mikegrb> Reset! 02:40 < mikegrb> reset! 02:41 < mikegrb> sighup: reset! 02:41 < sighup> mikegrb: Okay. 02:41 < mikegrb> internic bigantenna.com 02:41 < mikegrb> sighup: internic bigantenna.com 02:41 < sighup> mikegrb: i'm not following you... 02:41 < mikegrb> sighup: Internic bigantenna.com 02:41 < sighup> mikegrb: excuse me? 02:41 < mikegrb> bah 02:43 < mikegrb> looks like it only reloads modules already loaded 02:43 < mikegrb> sighup: die 02:43 < sighup> mikegrb: i'm not following you... 02:43 < mikegrb> sighup: die! 02:43 < sighup> mikegrb: what? 02:43 < mikegrb> argh 02:43 < mikegrb> oh msg 02:43 -!- sighup [me@thegrebs.com] has quit [Quit: mikegrb] 02:45 -!- sighup [me@thegrebs.com] has joined #linode 02:45 < mikegrb> hmm 02:45 < mikegrb> well it still didn't load the module 02:52 < mikegrb> what is 3am? 02:52 < sighup> rumour has it 3am is damn late, go to bed 02:52 < mikegrb> night caker 02:59 < mikegrb> caker: quick question 02:59 < mikegrb> members site says 27% cpu used by my linode 03:00 < mikegrb> 100/16? 03:00 < sighup> 6.25 03:00 < mikegrb> I should be using around six and a quarter percent? 03:00 * mikegrb wants to be a good customer 03:01 < caker> hmm 03:01 < caker> That's total, not average, actually 03:01 < caker> (its labeled wrong) 03:01 < mikegrb> oh 03:01 < mikegrb> so just not worry about it? 03:01 < caker> So one day at 90% and other three low would get you that total .. 03:02 < caker> Not at all .. plenty of cpu available 03:02 < mikegrb> have you considered showing next to it the average total for a linode on same host or same linode type? 03:02 < caker> thanks for asking 03:02 < mikegrb> would make the number more meaningful to a luser like me 03:02 < caker> For all linodes? yeah, I have that in my local pool 03:02 < caker> all linodes on same host 03:02 < caker> But, it's only the sum of the linodes 03:03 < caker> doesn't include other stuff the host do (which isn't much, so number would still be good) 03:03 < mikegrb> okie 03:03 < caker> hey 03:03 < mikegrb> ? 03:03 < caker> Actually what I have going is a current loadavg meter on the hosts, too 03:03 < caker> Would take actual loadavg (say the 5 minute one) and split it into four groups .. idle, low, med, high 03:11 < mikegrb> ahh 03:11 < mikegrb> those groups dynamic based on current load 03:11 < mikegrb> er gotta step away again 03:12 < mikegrb> I'll talk to you tommorow ;) 03:12 < caker> ok --cya 03:42 < wap> morning 03:42 < caker> heh 03:42 < caker> good morning 03:42 < wap> :) 03:45 < wap> caker: You'll think I'm really greedy :p But I'd just like to know, do you plan to increase the transfer/mo from 25Gb to 38Gb? Or will it remain 25Gb? I'd just like to know - if it's a yes, there's no hurry - if it's a no, I feel already fine ;) 03:45 < caker> nope -- i ammended the forum post 03:46 < wap> caker: okie :) 03:51 * caker has resize down working 03:52 < wap> caker: don't you forget to get some sleep ;) 03:52 < caker> Going now :) .. nite 03:53 < wap> g'night 04:02 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has joined #linode 04:02 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 04:02 < adamgent> morning all 04:03 < wap> morning :) I think all == me ;) 04:36 < wap> I need a reboot. brb 04:39 * wap is back 05:23 < shakr> what's the url again for the channel log? 08:01 < wap> what's the command to get the size of all directories (including all subdirs) on my system? 08:06 < wap> du -h was the answer ;) 08:10 -!- eadz [~eadz@port-203-99-26-249.jet.net.nz] has joined #linode 08:11 < eadz> there is a lot of talk about Linode's cluster, but is there a cluster? by that I mean sharing CPU and ram across hosts. 08:43 -!- eadz [~eadz@port-203-99-26-249.jet.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 493 seconds] 09:12 < jax> shakr: http://www.linode.com/irc/logs/ 09:12 < jax> but i'm not seeing too many logs 09:13 * jax wonders whether caker ever sleeps 09:13 < mikegrb> no 09:15 < mikegrb> fcol that 09:15 < sighup> Your fcol is http://xev.us/rD 09:15 < mikegrb> heh short version of that url 09:15 < mikegrb> there is also http://www.michalandheidi.net/irc/ 09:15 < mikegrb> searchable even 09:17 < jax> did anyone see the attempt to hack the linux kernel? 09:18 < mikegrb> yes 09:18 < mikegrb> interesting 09:19 < mikegrb> slashdot headlines 09:19 < sighup> Slashdot - Updated 2003-11-06 13:46:00 | Sun Produces Strongest Flare Ever Recorded | Handy Wristwatch Phone | Tanker Truck Shut Down Via Satellite | Quantum Cryptography Systems Commercially Launched 09:19 < mikegrb> ahh not recent enough 09:19 < jax> pulling from rss? 09:19 < mikegrb> I'm not certain where it pulls it from, I think so though 09:19 < mikegrb> it does support rss 09:20 < mikegrb> what is xbox-scene-rss? 09:20 < sighup> mikegrb: Microsoft Celebrates Busiest Xbox Live! Period; Xecuter 2.3 FINAL; MS/IBM may still use x86 in Xbox2 ?; Gentoox: default editor to nano; (USA) 'Cube ahead of 'Box; (JAPAN) Pizza and Xbox: Together at Last; Craxtion v3.1; XB-News v1.0 build 0304; Latest UK games console figures: Xbox surge continues; More about Xbox Next's IBM CPU 09:20 < mikegrb> though slashdot is a special case 09:20 * Artifex is away: work 09:20 * mikegrb looks at the code 09:21 < mikegrb> yes it uses the slashdot.xml file in the root 09:21 < wap> karma wap 09:21 < sighup> wap has neutral karma 09:21 < mikegrb> heh 09:21 < mikegrb> wap-- 09:21 < mikegrb> ;) 09:21 < mikegrb> karma wap 09:21 < sighup> wap has karma of -1 09:21 < wap> what to get positive karma ;) ? 09:21 < wap> :p 09:21 < mikegrb> wap++ 09:21 < wap> wap++ 09:22 < wap> lol 09:22 < mikegrb> it won't listen to you, that's cheating 09:22 < mikegrb> karma wap 09:22 < sighup> wap has neutral karma 09:22 * wap nods 09:22 < mikegrb> :) 09:22 < wap> he told me ;) 09:22 < mikegrb> topten karma 09:22 < sighup> Top 10 karma is: 1. mikegrb (8), 2. linode (7), 3. heidi (7), 4. caker (6), 5. artifex (5), 6. sighup (4), 7. paulproteus (2), 8. linode.cakerspocket (1), 9. znark (1), 10. directfb (1) 09:22 < mikegrb> oh did it message you? 09:22 < wap> yep 09:22 < wap> wap++ 09:22 < mikegrb> spiffy 09:22 < mikegrb> mikegrb++ 09:22 < wap> please don't karma yourself 09:22 < mikegrb> :) 09:24 < wap> Could be great to have an A.L.I.C.E bot 09:24 < mikegrb> reset! 09:24 < sighup> mikegrb: Okay. 09:24 < mikegrb> slashdot hearlines 09:24 < mikegrb> er 09:24 < wap> lol 09:24 < mikegrb> slashdot headlines 09:24 < sighup> Slashdot - Updated 2003-11-06 13:46:00 | Sun Produces Strongest Flare Ever Recorded | Handy Wristwatch Phone | Tanker Truck Shut Down Via Satellite | Quantum Cryptography Systems Commercially Launched | New Hitchhiker's Guide Radio Series Announced | Linux Kernel Back-Door Hack Attempt Discovered | Blender Conference Closes, Version 2.3 Released | Traffic Light Switcher Makes Critics See Red 09:25 < mikegrb> :) 09:26 < wap> mikegrb: how much xfer does your irc server takes per month? you have an estimate? 09:27 < wap> s/takes/take 09:27 < mikegrb> less then 1gb 09:27 < mikegrb> guestimate 09:28 < wap> you'll have to guide me trough ;) 09:28 < mikegrb> bandwidth isn't noticable from it on mrtg graphs 09:53 < adamgent> hi akk 09:53 < adamgent> all even 10:20 < mikegrb> wap: you around 10:23 < wap> yep 10:24 < mikegrb> you might want to check for an /etc/profile file 10:24 < mikegrb> see if PS1 is set there 10:25 < wap> it's just set to '# ' or '$ ' 10:27 < mikegrb> try changing it to what you want there and then doing source /etc/profile 10:29 < wap> well changing ~/.bashrc does work if I source it. but how could I make the change to apply forever? 10:29 < adamgent> it will run when you log into the bash shell 10:29 < mikegrb> source'ing the file is mainly to get it to apply right now 10:29 < mikegrb> it should next time you log in automagically 10:31 < wap> oh well... I'm getting a bit tired now lol will check all this tomorrow. thanks. 10:32 < mikegrb> no prob 10:32 < mikegrb> have a good night 10:32 < wap> it's afternoon here ;) but I may have a lil nap ;) 10:33 < mikegrb> oh heh 10:33 * mikegrb knows how that is 10:33 < mikegrb> went to bed at 3 this morning 10:33 < mikegrb> then couldn't fall asleep til almost 4 :/ 10:33 < wap> if the guy upstairs is kind enough to make some less noise :/ 10:34 -!- dvl_ [~dvl666stn@host213-122-164-30.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #linode 10:34 < mikegrb> heh 10:34 < mikegrb> I know how that is too wap 10:34 < mikegrb> dvl_: welcome 10:34 < wap> lol 10:34 < wap> mikegrb: see you later 10:34 < dvl_> danke mike 10:34 < mikegrb> de nada 10:35 < mikegrb> heh 10:35 < dvl_> i like this channel only thing is theres to many brains in it! 10:35 < adamgent> not on a friday night after the pub their isnt 10:35 < dvl_> hehe 10:35 < dvl_> i just come here to annoy caker anyways, he so loves me 10:36 < dvl_> mikegrb: why if you have a linode 64 your swap is maxed at 64mb aswell ? 10:36 < dvl_> i bit unfair ? 10:36 < dvl_> i - a 10:37 < adamgent> ? 10:37 < mikegrb> is it? I had a linode64 initially with 100mb swap 10:37 < dvl_> mines is 64 10:37 < dvl_> its setup as default says i cant change it 10:38 < dvl_> then again my bad 10:38 < dvl_> prolly because i took the full partition as my install 10:38 < mikegrb> oh well if your linode isn't booted up try removing and recreating 10:38 < mikegrb> heh 10:38 < dvl_> its working finr 10:38 < mikegrb> that would do it ;) 10:38 < dvl_> been running for days now 10:38 < dvl_> just nothing thinking right until there hehe 10:38 < dvl_> who said anything about friday nights after the pub ? :) 10:38 < mikegrb> chris just wrote some code to resize down a filesystem 10:39 < mikegrb> I don't know if it is live yet 10:39 * dvl_ is stupid 10:39 < dvl_> anyway of changing the filesize on the fly ? 10:39 < dvl_> reducing my main partition 10:39 < mikegrb> no 10:40 < dvl_> damn 10:40 < mikegrb> you would have to shut down, I know chris just wrote the code this morning though so it might not be available yet 10:40 < dvl_> you i could just buy hdd space then 10:40 < dvl_> and do it that way 10:40 < mikegrb> heh 10:40 < mikegrb> yha 10:40 < mikegrb> always works 10:40 < dvl_> but i dont want to :) 10:40 < dvl_> hes got his hands deep enough in my pockets :P 10:41 < dvl_> only kidding 10:41 < dvl_> hehe 10:41 < dvl_> just sometimes he gets to close :) 10:42 < mikegrb> heh 10:42 < dvl_> so if i add 1gb i could make a 1gb swap 10:42 < dvl_> or would that be crazy ? 10:43 < adamgent> you could, but it would be crazy 10:43 < dvl_> what would you say on any system linux/unix would be a nice swap size ? 10:43 < dvl_> or is it like windows down to the physical ram ? 10:43 < adamgent> depends on what you are doing 10:44 < adamgent> some people say, double the amount of physical, some people say 1 and a half times the physical 10:44 < dvl_> well i am running two bounces just now 10:44 < adamgent> 128 then 10:44 < dvl_> and its eating ram :) 10:44 < adamgent> you can always change it 10:44 < dvl_> true 10:47 -!- eadz [~eadz@203.99.26.249] has joined #linode 10:49 -!- sunny_ [sunny@64.62.190.33] has joined #linode 10:49 < sunny_> caker: ping 10:49 < sunny_> Linux polygon 2.4.22-linode10-5um #4 Sat Oct 11 20:57:56 EDT 2003 i686 unknown 10:54 < sunny_> well, when you get a chance, please look at the bugs forum 10:54 < sunny_> thanks man 10:54 < sunny_> take care everyone 10:54 -!- sunny_ [sunny@64.62.190.33] has quit [Quit: oro ?] 10:54 < mikegrb> heh 10:54 < mikegrb> quick that was 10:56 -!- jax-work [~stbe@148.100.214.88] has joined #linode 10:57 < adamgent> hi jax 10:59 < jax-work> hey 11:19 < dvl_> adamgent do you work at linode ? 11:19 < dvl_> or for should i say :) 11:20 < mikegrb> just caker 11:21 < dvl_> thats cool asked him just there 11:21 < dvl_> was just going to ask about traffic etc 11:40 < adamgent> you could always ask the question... 11:45 < dvl_> its to do with apr traffic 11:49 < adamgent> and 11:49 < adamgent> i thought chris removed all that from the bandwidth calcs 11:50 < dvl_> well i hope so :) 11:50 < dvl_> because i am running 1 bnc 11:50 < dvl_> and its high as hell 11:50 < dvl_> only thing i can think of 11:50 < dvl_> is apr been calc'd 11:51 < adamgent> there is something on the forum about what he removed from the calc, but apr should not be that high 11:52 < dvl_> we are talking mb 11:52 < dvl_> not gb's 11:52 < dvl_> but then again 1 bnc for 1 day shouldnt be in the 30-40mb marg 11:55 < adamgent> what are you using the bnc for 11:56 < dvl_> psybnc 11:56 < dvl_> just myself on it 12:01 < adamgent> in the end if it is coming from an external source it should be counted 12:07 < dvl_> yes thats true 12:07 < dvl_> i agree 12:09 -!- quik is now known as Quik 12:21 -!- dvl_ [~dvl666stn@host213-122-164-30.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has quit [Quit: ircN 7.27 + 7.0 for mIRC (2002/01/10 00.00)] 12:26 < wap> If I create 2 hard drive images for hosting /usr and /home, what are the steps to actually move the initial files that were in /usr and /home in the drive images before mounting them? 12:38 < wap> or is there another way to get to the same result ? ;) 12:48 < adamgent> moving /usr is a bit harder but for /home, you can rename it to /home2, mount the new /home and copy over the contects of the old /home 12:50 < wap> adamgent: actually /home is easy since it's empty after the install process. but how would I do with /usr? 12:51 < mikegrb> best bet is probably leave existing usr mount the new one as /usrnew or some such 12:51 < mikegrb> then transfer everything over 12:51 < adamgent> i have never move /usr before 12:51 < mikegrb> hmm 12:52 < mikegrb> well all the 'necesary' utils are in /bin and /sbin, that being their purpose 12:52 < mikegrb> so transfer everything over 12:52 < mikegrb> make sure it is good 12:52 < wap> mikegrb: what would be the command to transfer everything over? 12:52 < mikegrb> edit the fstab to mount this new partition as /usr 12:52 < adamgent> yeah I guess mounting the new one as /usrnew, copying all the data over, rename /usr to /usrold, shutdown the linode, change the /usrnew to /usr 12:52 < adamgent> cp -r * 12:52 < adamgent> cp -r /usr /usrnew 12:53 < mikegrb> maybe -ra 12:53 < mikegrb> a == more permissions or something I may be mixing tar options 12:53 < wap> ok, and at what stage should I edit fstab? 12:53 < adamgent> -a is archive 12:53 < mikegrb> after you mv usr to usrold 12:53 < mikegrb> do a mkdir /usr 12:53 < mikegrb> you can edit the fstab anytime 12:54 < adamgent> i would do a cp not mv 12:54 < mikegrb> might want to do it first so you can use the text editor of your choice 12:54 < mikegrb> which is most likely located in /usr/bin 12:54 < mikegrb> changes in the fstab wont take affect until reboot 12:54 < mikegrb> once you do reboot and everything is fine you can rm -rf /usrold 12:55 < wap> ok, I'll try ;) 12:55 < adamgent> you will need to put in --preserve to 12:55 < adamgent> --preserve=all 13:10 < wap> so that would be: cp -r --preserve /usr/* /usernew or I'm mistaken? 13:11 < adamgent> i would use --preserve=all 13:12 < wap> okie 13:12 < adamgent> since you are copying you still have the originals left, take a look at the man page for cp 13:12 < adamgent> cp -r --preserve=all /usr /usernew 13:13 < wap> I tried that but it results in a /usernew/usr dir 13:13 < wap> isn't it /usr/* instead of /usr ? 13:13 < adamgent> you can try /usr/ 13:13 < adamgent> you can try /usr/* 13:16 * wap nods 13:16 < wap> I'll post a step-by-step guide on the forum if I eventually succeed :) 13:18 < EFudd> cd /source; find . -print | cpio -pdmuv /new/location 13:18 < EFudd> == best way ! 13:18 < EFudd> just make sure you use the appropriate options to find to not traverse filesystems if there are submounts under /source 13:20 < adamgent> i would leave out the -v option, it will take ages otherwise 13:21 -!- eadz [~eadz@203.99.26.249] has quit [Quit: BitchX-1.0c20cvs -- just do it.] 13:21 < EFudd> Well, Perhaps. 13:21 < wap> that seems to be the best way indeed! thanks EFudd :) 13:22 < wap> EFudd++ 13:22 < wap> adamgent++ 13:22 < wap> ;) 13:22 < mikegrb> yes EFudd++ 13:22 < mikegrb> karma EFudd 13:22 < sighup> efudd has neutral karma 13:22 < mikegrb> karma EFudd 13:22 < sighup> efudd has karma of 2 13:22 < mikegrb> better 13:22 < mikegrb> silly irssi putting tabs on the end of nicks 13:25 < wap> I'll go back to this after diner. 13:26 < EFudd> that cpio command can be used to completely dupe filesystems... including all file types. 13:26 < EFudd> used to use it to mirror hpux root volumes 13:29 < adamgent> what is the difference to just cp then 13:34 < EFudd> not all 'cp's support copying say, pipes? 13:34 < EFudd> or various other file types 13:34 < adamgent> ok 13:34 < EFudd> cp requires a foktun of options that vary from system to system to copy, save perms, save mtime/ctime/atime... 13:34 < EFudd> etc. 13:35 < EFudd> find . -print | cpio -pdmuv is practically universally standard 13:35 < Artifex> Could be great to have an A.L.I.C.E bot 13:35 < Artifex> i used to have an alice bot 13:35 < EFudd> One just needs to be aware of what find . -print does and ensure you modify that portion appropriately to fit your needs. 13:35 < Artifex> we put it in a chan w/ 2 markov bots, and made them all talk to eachother 13:35 < Artifex> was very fun 13:35 < Artifex> alice actually taught the markov bots quite a bit 13:35 * jax-work is away: I'm busy 13:35 < Artifex> their conversation was strange... even eerie at times 13:36 * jax-work is back (gone 00:00:20) 13:37 < caker> boo 13:37 < adamgent> hi caker 13:37 < caker> hello 13:37 < sighup> hey, caker. 13:37 < jax-work> hey 13:37 < caker> oh no, not sighup again 13:37 < caker> :-p 13:37 < mikegrb> Artifex: I'd imagine, sounds pretty interesting 13:37 < caker> quote HSTM 13:37 < sighup> HSTM last 11/6/2003 11:39am: 2.90 -0.09 [-3.01%] (2.95 - 2.90) [Open 2.95] Vol 3,000 13:38 < mikegrb> heh 13:38 < Artifex> i ve a log somewhere i copuld dig out, if you're intrested in reading 13:38 < caker> What's shakin? 13:38 < mikegrb> he greets people if no one else does 13:38 < mikegrb> Artifex: yes actually, though don't go to great trouble 13:38 < Artifex> k 13:39 < Artifex> will need to wait for nick to get back, probably 13:39 < Artifex> think he has it 13:39 < Artifex> if not, its on a laptop under my bed :-) 13:39 < mikegrb> heh 13:39 < mikegrb> good place for a laptop 13:40 < adamgent> better than leaving it at a tube station 13:42 * Artifex is away: bbl, lunch 13:44 < caker> i love the watch command 13:44 < Quik> how's host4 caker? 13:44 < caker> So far so good 13:44 < caker> someone is transferring to it right now 13:44 < Quik> poor soul! 13:44 * caker snickers 13:45 < mikegrb> I'm sure the transferring helps out with load too :) 13:45 < caker> Oh yeah :) 13:46 < adamgent> just out of intrest what is everyone going to do with redhat at the end of march next year? 13:46 < caker> You mean because of it's end of life? 13:46 < adamgent> yeah 13:47 < caker> apt-get dist-upgrade 13:47 < caker> :) 13:47 < adamgent> to what though 13:47 < caker> Fedora Linux 1 ? 13:47 < adamgent> possibly 13:49 < mikegrb> I will just... 13:49 < jax-work> use debian or gentoo....or even slack ^_^ 13:49 < adamgent> it is currently a big debate as to what will happen 13:49 < mikegrb> "emerge rsync && emerge -up world && sleep 15 && emerge -u world" 13:49 < caker> what do you mean, adam? 13:50 < adamgent> well there is a big dedi hosting company, that are running into problems over the redhat eol 13:50 < jax-work> yeah, everyone at the lug last night was fighting about what people will use 13:50 < EFudd> fok redhat 13:51 < EFudd> been saying this for years :) 13:51 < caker> bah 13:51 * jax-work is away: meeting 13:51 < caker> i remember meetings 13:52 < EFudd> i remember when my company wasn't boring and i had 6-8meetings a week 13:52 < EFudd> instead of sitting here daily watching DVDs 13:52 * jax-work is back (gone 00:00:46) 13:52 < caker> ouch 13:52 < adamgent> and the only way to move to fedora is a fresh install which is not feasible to most 13:52 < jax-work> d'oh, stupid ibm monkeys 13:52 < EFudd> I do -nothing- here 13:52 < caker> adamgent: I just assumed you could upgrade to it .. 13:52 < EFudd> and get paid well for it. :p 13:52 < caker> interesting 13:52 < jax-work> i'm just a student, i don't get invited to meetings i should be at 13:52 < caker> EFudd: I hated people like you 13:52 < adamgent> not from what I have heard 13:53 < caker> er, companies that did that to people like you, rather 13:53 < mikegrb> heh 13:53 < EFudd> lol 13:53 * mikegrb sits on irc all day 13:53 < EFudd> good save 13:53 < mikegrb> er and all night :/ 13:53 < caker> hehe 13:53 < EFudd> i hate being bored. 13:53 < EFudd> i'm /hoping/ for a new job in january 13:53 * EFudd sighs 13:53 < caker> I used to manage a group of developers -- nothing worse than a bored programmer :) 13:53 < EFudd> where i'll get paid well to work my ass off again 13:53 < EFudd> oh yah. 13:53 < EFudd> our devel manager rocked 13:53 < EFudd> "assign the bug to dporter" 13:54 < EFudd> "NOT THE BLACK HOLE!!" 13:54 < EFudd> that was the end of All Bugs. 13:54 < caker> adamgent: well, that's a pity then, because if they're doing that for some political bs it's just wrong .. 13:54 < adamgent> emote wants to go and work for google 13:55 * jax-work is away: ignoring the monkeys and having a meeting anyway 13:55 < adamgent> they want people to move to the corporate version, which in it's self requires a fresh install 14:02 < caker> I'd love to try an apt-get dist-upgrade to fedora .. 14:02 < caker> as opposed to googling for ever 14:02 < caker> lemme see what happens :) 14:02 < adamgent> it may be possible, the first release it out I think or due out soon 14:02 < caker> out yesterday 14:02 < adamgent> well if you have a spare linode 14:03 < caker> I believe 14:03 < caker> I'll even shrink my partition too :-p 14:04 < caker> Fedora's enhanced apt package ? 14:04 < adamgent> new toys... 14:07 < mikegrb> sighup: convert caker to fedora 14:08 < mikegrb> bah 14:10 < caker> this should be interesting .. 14:10 < caker> 259 packages upgraded, 23 newly installed, 2 replaced, 1 removed and 0 not upgraded. 14:10 < caker> Need to get 206MB/207MB of archives. 14:10 < caker> After unpacking 73.5MB of additional disk space will be used. 14:14 * jax-work is back (gone 00:19:28) 14:20 -!- artifexx [~Artifex@216.144.24.226] has joined #linode 14:20 < artifexx> caker: im about to get my friend nick to buy a linode... 14:20 < caker> awesome 14:21 < artifexx> now that you've got some referral incentive... ;-) 14:21 -!- tjfontaine [~tjfontain@tjfontaine.xbox-linux.sf.net] has joined #linode 14:21 < mikegrb> oh 14:21 * mikegrb needs to check the msg boards heh 14:21 < tjfontaine> didn't realize I wasn't in here 14:21 < mikegrb> haven't sence tusday 14:21 < mikegrb> er tuesday 14:21 < mikegrb> silly tjfontaine 14:23 < mikegrb> karma linode 14:23 < sighup> linode has karma of 14 14:23 < mikegrb> :) 14:23 < caker> where the heck can I find the correct GPG key for fedora 14:23 < tjfontaine> #fedora freenode? 14:24 < adamgent> do you really need it 14:24 < caker> Their version of "apt" forces GPG checking .. lemme see if I can turn it off 14:25 < adamgent> i wish the debian one did 14:28 < mikegrb> caker: when ssh'ing into the console it is a screen session, when the linode is shutdown the screen session terminates and a new session starts when it is booted 14:28 < caker> Right? 14:29 < mikegrb> I obviously don't know the specifics of your behind the scenes stuff but if it was one persistent screen session it would help situations like sunny's crash 14:29 < mikegrb> you could connect to the screen session hit CTRL+A then ESC and page up/arrow up to see if there were kernel oopes and what not 14:30 < mikegrb> would also avoid the pesky retries to attatch to a non existant screen session when you try to ssh in to fast after hitting boot 14:30 < caker> I'd rather log than keep a screen process running 14:30 < mikegrb> s/to/too/ 14:30 < mikegrb> heh np 14:30 < caker> hrm 14:31 < mikegrb> that it might be a quick simple way 14:31 < mikegrb> er 14:31 < mikegrb> thought it might be a quick simple way to give users access to that sort of thing 14:31 < mikegrb> though 14:31 < adamgent> but doesnt log, create a lot of io 14:31 < mikegrb> depending on user knowlege level log may be better 14:31 < caker> I could modify panic inside the UML 14:31 < mikegrb> as someone might not realize oh I can check for a kernel oops this way 14:32 < caker> to write to a logfile on the host 14:32 < caker> Right 14:32 < mikegrb> that would prob be the best bet 14:32 < mikegrb> maybe make that info available from the members page 14:32 < caker> I still have to think about that 14:32 < mikegrb> indeed 14:32 < caker> because I believe some information goes to stderr on the host (since it's an app) and woul;dn't be printed via the UML 14:32 < caker> 's 14:32 < caker> printk 14:33 < caker> It shouldn't be crashing though -- esp. if he says it's not the /dev/kmem issue 14:34 < caker> which I have a /dev/kmem read-only patch for 14:34 < caker> (not in yet, though) 14:34 < caker> I'm giving up on fedora for the moment -- can't get around this GPG key issue 14:34 < mikegrb> heh 14:35 < tjfontaine> theres a guy thats going to "port" the fedora core to Xbox-Linux 14:40 < adamgent> there is a fedora rpm which contain the gpg key 14:40 < caker> the one from Yum didn't work 14:40 < adamgent> typical 14:40 < caker> the (few) from yum didn't work, rather 14:41 < tjfontaine> dats why we use urpmi 14:41 < mikegrb> heh 14:42 < mikegrb> urpmi is portage wannabe 14:42 < tjfontaine> uhh 14:42 < mikegrb> portage is the greatest package managment system in the world, other then the pesky bit about having to compile everything 14:44 < adamgent> caker where are you going the fedora packages from for apt 14:44 < caker> rpm http://download.fedora.us/fedora fedora/1/i386 os updates stable 14:44 < caker> rpm-src http://download.fedora.us/fedora fedora/1/i386 os updates stable 14:45 < caker> in my sources file 14:45 < Quik> The host your Linode is on has the following extras available: 14:45 < Quik> Additional IPs -2 14:45 < Quik> ;) 14:45 < mikegrb> heh 14:45 < mikegrb> oops 14:45 < caker> heh weird things happen when stuff migrates around .. lemme go check that 14:45 < Quik> i haven't migrated yet, just wanted to point it out :) 14:45 < caker> which host? 14:46 < Quik> 8 14:46 < caker> fixed -- thanks 14:46 < Quik> thank *you* :) 14:46 < mikegrb> caker == fast 14:47 < caker> afk for a few (packaging host11) 14:47 < Quik> don't drop it! 14:47 * Quik <- ever the helpful one 14:49 < adamgent> http://www.fedora.us/FEDORA-GPG-KEY 14:49 < adamgent> think that one should work 14:49 < adamgent> details on this page http://rpm.livna.org/ 14:54 < artifexx> bbl 14:58 < EFudd> fok xbox-linux 14:58 < EFudd> xbox-linux-- * 42 15:00 < caker> adamgent: neg 15:01 < caker> hrm 15:01 < tjfontaine> :-( 15:01 < caker> mb apt needs it installed, as well as rpm 15:13 -!- Ashen [ashen@vampires.moonlightglade.net] has joined #linode 15:13 < Ashen> greetings :) 15:14 < adamgent> hi 15:14 < sighup> hey, adamgent. 15:14 < Ashen> so caker doesn't run this show alone? :) 15:14 < adamgent> who said that 15:14 < Ashen> the impression I got from the forums :) 15:15 < Ashen> guess not :) 15:16 < adamgent> there is only caker 15:16 < tjfontaine> THE caker++ 15:17 < wap> I even wonder if caker is a human 15:18 < adamgent> a human running on 100% caffine 15:18 < Ashen> cyborg on caffiene :) 15:18 < Ashen> lol 15:18 < wap> ;) 15:30 < mikegrb> caker: so are you going to implement the token per referal and three tokens at end of the month for imunity from being voted off the linode by other users? 15:31 * guinea-sleep votes mikegrb off for suggesting 15:31 < mikegrb> guinea-sleep++ 15:31 < mikegrb> er 15:31 < mikegrb> bah! 15:31 < EFudd> voting off of an inode? :) 15:31 < guinea-sleep> ooh yes. inode reduction 15:31 < Ashen> wha? 15:32 < mikegrb> http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=436 15:32 < mikegrb> fcon that 15:32 < tjfontaine> fcol that 15:32 < sighup> Your fcol is http://xev.us/rZ 15:32 < mikegrb> heh 15:32 < mikegrb> it was mad at us 15:32 < tjfontaine> its YOUR bot 15:32 < mikegrb> sighup-- 15:32 < sighup> mikegrb: i'm not following you... 15:32 < mikegrb> you got that right 15:33 * EFudd personally thinks ircbots and such should be banned from linode. but i digress. :) 15:33 < Ashen> voting off is only mentioned there, it's not explained... 15:33 < EFudd> i cringe when i see psybounce discussions 15:33 < Ashen> EFudd: you wouldn't like my box then. 15:33 < guinea-sleep> it starts by banning one thing 15:33 < guinea-sleep> then another 15:34 < EFudd> I'm sure i wouldn't. 15:34 < Ashen> guinea-sleep: wise :) 15:34 < guinea-sleep> until it's not a linode anymore, but a hitleresque ...something 15:34 < Ashen> hehehe 15:34 < Ashen> so true :) 15:34 < EFudd> I just dislike the trouble caused by it. 15:34 < EFudd> er. potential. 15:34 < guinea-sleep> not all irc bots are evil 15:34 < EFudd> "not in my netblock please." 15:34 < Ashen> well that's the user's/admin's problem :) 15:34 < Ashen> what's so bad about them EFudd? 15:35 < guinea-sleep> for example, infobot and channel loggers 15:35 < adamgent> they tend to cause DOS attacks 15:35 < guinea-sleep> it all depends on how they're used 15:35 < EFudd> if/when my netblock is banned from something due to another persons's actions that isn't exactly trackable, i'm going to be disappointed. 15:35 < Ashen> and you look very much like someone bouncing to me, with that host :) 15:35 < EFudd> Eh, broked.net has been my host for years. 15:35 < Ashen> I just run ident 15:35 < guinea-sleep> heh broked 15:35 < EFudd> forever is my main devel machine, always. 15:35 < guinea-sleep> i used to have ... i forget what i used to have . damn 15:36 < EFudd> then again, I also have some vanity in it. I own broked.edu. =) 15:36 < EFudd> Bronson K. Edwards University > * 15:36 < Ashen> I have ident mandatory for users, and all my hosts end in moonlightglade.net. Therefore if there is ever a problem with any user they just ban *!*accountname@*moonlightglade.net, and all is merry. Plus the user loses their account as I *do* check logfiles :) 15:36 < EFudd> I also dislike users. 15:36 < Ashen> erm 15:36 < EFudd> having been in entirely too FBI investigations. 15:37 < EFudd> due to users. 15:37 < Ashen> too many you mean? 15:37 < Ashen> who were your users? 15:37 < EFudd> Yes. add a many. 15:37 < EFudd> That's of no consequence. 15:37 * guinea-sleep adds many manies 15:37 < Ashen> add many. = problems *g* 15:37 < EFudd> point is, more folk on your system, the more you open yourself up for serious trouble. 15:37 < EFudd> It only takes 1 mistake, or 1 lack of awareness. 15:37 < Ashen> well, I require a scaned image of someone's passport or similar before I grant them an account. So that tends to discourage bad users :) 15:38 < EFudd> rite. 15:38 < EFudd> I can get you something fake that you will accept in less than 4 minutes 15:38 < Ashen> true, but why punish a thousand innocent users for the mistake of one bad one :) 15:38 < EFudd> including a valid one-time-use phone number. 15:39 < mikegrb> what is forever? 15:39 < sighup> well, forever is EFudd's main devel machine, always. 15:39 < guinea-sleep> i require my "users" to be real-life friends :P 15:39 < mikegrb> ;) 15:39 < EFudd> guinea, that doesn't exactly help. :) 15:39 < Ashen> EFudd: I've never heard of or seen that before, however I'll take your word for it :) 15:39 < EFudd> all of those investigations were "real-life" friends. 15:39 < guinea-sleep> EFudd: maybe you need more friends? 15:39 < artifexx> linode should have weirdmind in the platform manager 15:39 < guinea-sleep> oh 15:39 < guinea-sleep> :< 15:39 < EFudd> guinea, actually less. 15:39 < mikegrb> artifexx: interesing idea 15:39 < artifexx> so you could ssh/X into your linode from teh website from anywhere 15:39 < EFudd> ashen, asterisks.org + search for VOIP provider. 15:40 < guinea-sleep> i could use a couple, then :P 15:40 < mikegrb> artifexx: though it was the first thing I put on mine 15:40 < guinea-sleep> artifexx: is weirdmind like mindterm? 15:40 < EFudd> ok. 15:40 < mikegrb> guinea-sleep: yes 15:40 < Ashen> in future I might just use a payment system..... you pay me $1, I pay it back. Credit Card auth is not easy to foil. Mind you, I had one user who gave a psybnc account to a cc trader. they were detected and removed very swiftly by scripts :) 15:40 < artifexx> guinea-sleep: it's weirdX and mindterm merged 15:40 < mikegrb> guinea-sleep: it has a java X server though also 15:40 < EFudd> Why the FOK does frontpage open-file dialog support an FTP option 15:40 < mikegrb> indeed 15:40 < EFudd> when it ultimately says "Frontpage does tno support opening files from FTP servers" 15:40 < EFudd> good lord. 15:40 < mikegrb> guinea-sleep: pretty spiffy going to any win machine and running an x app remotely 15:40 < EFudd> ashen, credit cards are easy to fake. 15:41 < mikegrb> heh 15:41 < adamgent> credit cards are easy to fraud, i can get you a list of 2000 valid cards in 5 mins 15:41 < guinea-sleep> i've had http://parsed.net/ssh/java (mindterm) for years. 15:41 < EFudd> I can, within 10 minutes, have a paypal account with $1 set up in it transferred from a fairly anonymous source and generate a one-time-use mastercard number based on paypal's offerings to provide you. 15:41 < artifexx> guinea-sleep: you really should upgrade to weirdmind 15:41 < EFudd> Once again, PWNd. 15:41 < artifexx> it's a damned nice X server, all told 15:41 < artifexx> Host Summary 15:41 < artifexx> Host: host10.linode.com 15:41 < artifexx> Your Linode has averaged 0% 15:41 < artifexx> 15:41 < artifexx> CPU usage from one host CPU 15:41 < guinea-sleep> artifexx: i have no use for X apps when i do everything in console anyway (except browser and xmms) 15:42 < EFudd> my point is, there's no security like a closet with no networking cables in it. :P 15:42 < Ashen> EFudd: If I combine these measures, I'm harder to fraud then most other providers..... and therefore I *hope* that they'll go after someone else :) 15:42 < guinea-sleep> EFudd: go one step further. the moon. 15:42 * artifexx goes afk 15:42 * EFudd moons #linode 15:42 < EFudd> not sure how that helps tho! 15:42 < Ashen> EFudd: true, but it's pointless paying to keep a machine in a box :) 15:43 < EFudd> anyway, just be careful ashen. ;-) 15:43 < EFudd> the best users are ones that don't exist. 15:44 < Ashen> EFudd: everyone chooses the line of least resistance. If a prospective bad user has to go to the trouble of getting a possibly repatable phone number passport and credit card registered in a fake name and even afterwards their account is closely watched by both scripts and myself, and remember these are free accounts, I can terminate on suspicion alone :) All in all, I hope they'll choose someone else to have a go at :) 15:44 * Ashen is quiet now :) 15:44 < Ashen> Efudd: the best users have UIDs less then 500 :) 15:45 < EFudd> :) not necessarily. :-) 15:47 < wap> I think I succesfully mounted /dev/udbc to /usr and I think the "new" /usr is ok. Is there a way to check that everything is ok? 15:49 < wap> I'll give karma if I get a nice answer ;) 15:50 < Ashen> type 'mount' to list mounts, or maybe edit a file there, save, unmount, remount, and see if it's still there? 15:52 < wap> "mount" should show the swap partition or am I mistaken? 15:52 < Ashen> yes 15:53 < EFudd> No. 15:53 < EFudd> Try swapon -s 15:53 < EFudd> or cat /proc/swaps 15:54 < wap> swpaon -s did it :) 15:54 < EFudd> mount will, at best, show /tmp mounted as tmpfs, which isn't swap, but is kidna swaplike. 15:54 < Ashen> hm 15:55 * Ashen could swear mount shows swaps 15:55 < Ashen> guess I'm wrong. 15:55 * EFudd would note ashen would be swearing uselessly 15:56 < Ashen> lol! 15:56 < Ashen> :) 15:57 < wap> EFudd: here is what I did: 1) mounted /dev/udbc to /usrnew 2) used your spiffy command to copy /usr to /usrnew 3) deleted /usr 4) rebooted 5) did "mv usrnew usr" - Sounds ok to you? 15:57 < EFudd> Not really. 15:57 < EFudd> Er, well, did you previously have a mount on /usr or was it just a subdir of the rootfs ? 15:57 < wap> it was just a subdir of / 15:57 < EFudd> Ok. 15:58 < EFudd> edit your fstab 15:58 < EFudd> to show the new /usr mountpoint 15:58 < wap> basic Debian install 15:58 < EFudd> you want sompn like this in there 15:58 < EFudd> /dev/udbc /usr defaults 0 0 15:58 < wap> oh yeah, I did it. I added this line "/dev/udbc /usr ext3 defaults 0 0" 15:58 < EFudd> obkb. 15:59 < EFudd> boggled by your proposed mv command. but as long as (a) the mountpoint /usr existed after your delete and (b) was mounted appropriately as shown in 'mount', you should be basically ok. 15:59 < EFudd> IF you aren't, you'll find out soon enough. =) 15:59 < wap> then I did a "e2fsck -f /dev/ubdc" and it found a few errors. 15:59 < EFudd> FWIW, you coulda done it without a reboot. (or shoulda been able to) 16:00 < EFudd> init 1 on your console 16:00 < EFudd> or init s 16:00 < EFudd> mkdir /newusr 16:00 < EFudd> cd /usr 16:00 < EFudd> find . -print | cpio -pdmuv /newusr 16:00 < EFudd> cd / 16:00 < EFudd> mv usr usr.old 16:00 < EFudd> umount newusr 16:00 < EFudd> rmdir newusr && mkdir usr 16:00 < EFudd> mount fooblahbarbizbazblugh /usr 16:00 < EFudd> init 3 (or whatever your normal runstate was) 16:04 < wap> I think I got it :) Thanks again for your help EFudd. 16:06 < wap> EFudd: is it a good idea to use "e2fsk -f /dev/ubdc" afterwards? 16:09 < EFudd> Sure. 16:09 < EFudd> do it in single user 16:09 < EFudd> unmount it 16:09 < EFudd> but use the ext3 fscker or something 16:09 < EFudd> (does ext3 even NEED fsck?) 16:10 < guinea-sleep> yes 16:10 < Ashen> does going into single user mode kill all non-root processe? 16:11 < EFudd> ... Uh, Yes. :) 16:12 < wap> EFudd++ 16:12 < wap> ;) 16:12 * Ashen has never once used single user mode :) 16:13 < EFudd> Sorry, I'm at MAX ULONG. 16:13 < wap> heh 16:14 < jax-work> caker: do you remember the default root password in the slack images? 16:21 -!- garry [Garry@172.189.242.183] has joined #linode 16:22 -!- Ashen [ashen@vampires.moonlightglade.net] has left #linode [] 16:24 < adamgent> hi garry 16:24 < garry> hi 16:24 < sighup> what's up, garry. 16:34 < caker> jax-work: which slack image? 16:36 < jax-work> 9 16:36 < caker> who's mine?? it sets the p/w for you when you deploy it 16:36 < jax-work> small if they're different 16:36 < jax-work> yeah, but i'm using the actual image for xen, and didn't setup a way to have console access 16:37 * caker is confused 16:37 < jax-work> i'm using your slack9-small image for xen, but don't have console access to the virtual domain, and don't know if there's a root password to ssh to 16:38 < adamgent> and xen is 16:38 < caker> I'd say loop mount it and change it manually 16:39 < caker> xen is some new VM software 16:39 < caker> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/ 16:39 < jax-work> just put in text in /etc/passwd? 16:39 < adamgent> so your run vm on top of uml 16:39 < caker> jax-work: maybe steal the encrypted p/w from the hosts's /etc/shadow 16:39 < caker> or salt and crypt your own 16:39 < jax-work> adamgent: no, xen instead of uml 16:39 < adamgent> ok 16:41 < jax-work> caker: thanks 16:41 < caker> np 16:41 < jax-work> caker++ 16:41 < wap> karma caker 16:41 < sighup> caker has karma of 9 16:41 < wap> topten karma 16:41 < sighup> Top 10 karma is: 1. mikegrb (26), 2. heidi (22), 3. lesbiansex (16), 4. linode (14), 5. sighup (10), 6. caker (9), 7. artifex (7), 8. mythtv (3), 9. gimli (3), 10. efudd (3) 16:41 < caker> karma yourmom 16:41 < sighup> yourmom has neutral karma 16:42 < wap> I'm sure mikegrb cheated :p 16:42 < mikegrb> caker++ caker++ caker++ caker++ caker++ 16:42 < mikegrb> caker++ caker++ caker++ caker++ caker++ 16:42 < mikegrb> caker++ caker++ caker++ caker++ caker++ 16:42 < wap> lol 16:42 < wap> spam-- 16:42 < adamgent> now that is cheating 16:43 < mikegrb> karma caker 16:43 < sighup> caker has karma of 12 16:43 < mikegrb> heh 16:43 < mikegrb> it only counted one per line 16:43 < adamgent> chris how does uml handle the HT in the xeon chips 16:44 < caker> UML doesn't - it runs just like any other process 16:44 < caker> But the host's take advantage 16:45 < adamgent> so in theory 4 process could be running at the same time 16:45 < caker> well .. kinda .. 16:45 < caker> HT is weird 16:47 < mikegrb> heh indeed 16:48 < EFudd> HT gives little improvement and only under certain circumstances 16:48 < EFudd> and only when IO isn't a bottleneck 16:50 -!- garry [Garry@172.189.242.183] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.73 :: www.XLhost.de )] 16:53 < guinea-sleep> p.s. yay for ccache 16:53 < tjfontaine> ccache++ 16:53 < tjfontaine> distcc++ 16:53 < caker> can emerge use distcc? 16:54 < mikegrb> translate Welcome to #linode how may we help you from en to de 16:54 < guinea-sleep> should 16:54 < tjfontaine> translate Welcome to linode how may we help you from en to de 16:54 < guinea-sleep> side note, distcc was written by a friend of mine. small world. 16:54 < mikegrb> sighup translate Welcome to #linode how may we help you from en to de 16:54 < mikegrb> bah 16:54 < mikegrb> it works in the other channel 16:55 < mikegrb> heh 16:55 < tjfontaine> translate hello what is your name from en to us 16:55 < sighup> babelfish cannot translate from en to en. Try translating through English. 16:55 < tjfontaine> er 16:55 < tjfontaine> hehe 16:55 < tjfontaine> translate hello what is your name from en to es 16:55 < tjfontaine> hrmpf 16:55 < wap> hola como te llamas :p 16:55 < tjfontaine> heh cual es su nombre 16:55 < mikegrb> heh 16:56 < tjfontaine> Willkommen # linode, wie können Sie, helfen wir Ihnen 16:56 -!- sighup [me@thegrebs.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56 < caker> la concha es mujada 16:56 < mikegrb> <@tjfontaine> translate Welcome to #linode how may we help you from en to de 16:56 < mikegrb> <@sighup> Willkommen # linode, wie knnen Sie, helfen wir Ihnen 16:56 -!- Quik is now known as quik 16:56 < EFudd> this webDAV stuff is kinda cool. 16:57 -!- sighup [me@thegrebs.com] has joined #linode 16:58 < tjfontaine> translate hello what is your name from en to es 16:58 < sighup> hola cuál es su nombre 16:58 < caker> translate your mom wears combat boots from en to es 16:58 < sighup> su mama usa cargadores del combate 16:58 < caker> sighup: thanks 16:58 < sighup> pas de quoi caker 16:58 < mikegrb> heh 16:59 < mikegrb> spiffy 17:03 < mikegrb> caker another feature that is useful for you, try 'excuse' for some help from simon 17:03 < tjfontaine> excuse 17:03 < sighup> Your excuse is: 17:03 < tjfontaine> :-/ 17:03 < mikegrb> heh 17:03 < tjfontaine> excuse 17:03 < sighup> Your excuse is: 17:03 < mikegrb> haha 17:03 < mikegrb> hahaha 17:03 < tjfontaine> :-/ 17:03 < mikegrb> it doesn't like this channel 17:04 < tjfontaine> not at all 17:04 < tjfontaine> reset! 17:04 < EFudd> mikegrb-- 17:04 < EFudd> !!! 17:04 < EFudd> you keep getting those :P 17:04 < tjfontaine> sighup: reset! 17:04 < sighup> tjfontaine: Okay. 17:04 < tjfontaine> excuse 17:04 < sighup> Your excuse is: We ran out of dial tone and we're and waiting for the phone company to deliver another bottle. 17:04 < mikegrb> heh 17:04 < wap> lol 17:04 * EFudd likes blinker fluid 17:04 < tjfontaine> excuse 17:04 < sighup> Your excuse is: We ran out of dial tone and we're and waiting for the phone company to deliver another bottle. 17:04 < tjfontaine> grr 17:04 < mikegrb> agh 17:05 < tjfontaine> excuse 17:05 < sighup> Your excuse is: Party-bug in the Aloha protocol. 17:05 < mikegrb> sighup-- 17:05 < sighup> mikegrb: excuse me? 17:05 < mikegrb> you heard me 17:05 < EFudd> .... 17:05 < tjfontaine> sighup-- sighup-- 17:05 < mikegrb> heh 17:05 < mikegrb> he doesn't think we could possibly be trying to reduce his karma 17:05 < tjfontaine> karma sighup 17:05 < sighup> sighup has karma of 9 17:05 < mikegrb> he doesn't ask for clearification when he is asked to increase it 17:05 < tjfontaine> hehe 17:05 < mikegrb> though he does comply 17:06 < EFudd> karma mikegrb 17:06 < sighup> mikegrb has karma of 25 17:06 < EFudd> I call shenanigans. 17:06 * caker poweroff's host11 for the last time 17:06 < mikegrb> heh 17:06 < mikegrb> caker++ 17:07 < mikegrb> one can't affetc one's own karma 17:07 < tjfontaine> growing-channel-population++ 17:07 < wap> EFudd: I did the second method you gave and it worked smoothly! Thanks again, I couldn't have done it whithout your help. 17:07 < EFudd> wap, Np. 17:07 < caker> [root@host11 root]# poweroff 17:07 < caker> Broadcast message from root (pts/0) (Thu Nov 6 15:07:04 2003): 17:07 < caker> The system is going down for system halt NOW! 17:07 < mikegrb> yes up to 20 17:07 * jax-work is away: going home ^_^ 17:07 -!- jax-work [~stbe@148.100.214.88] has quit [Quit: going home ^_^] 17:08 < EFudd> GDI. 17:08 < caker> hrm .. forgot power management ;) 17:08 < caker> oh well 17:08 < EFudd> frontpage doesn't support webDAV without frontpage extensions? 17:08 < EFudd> What kind of lame horse ass Microsoft suck dick donkey loving shit is that? 17:08 < mikegrb> haha 17:08 < mikegrb> microsoft-- 17:08 * EFudd mumbles 17:08 < caker> ms tries to infect everything 17:09 < mikegrb> indeed 17:09 < mikegrb> my xbox is now ms free :) 17:09 < adamgent> espically with there two new projects 17:09 < mikegrb> bios and all 17:11 < adamgent> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/33814.html 17:12 < caker> that happened a few years ago with hotmail.com or passport.com... 17:13 < EFudd> hotmail.com 17:37 < mikegrb> sighup: rr 17:38 < tjfontaine> sighup: reset! 17:38 < sighup> tjfontaine: Okay. 17:38 < tjfontaine> sighup: rr 17:38 < mikegrb> heh 17:38 < mikegrb> I shouldn't mix'n'match cvs and release code 17:38 < tjfontaine> no you shouldn't 17:38 < wap> g'night everyone, mikegrb: have fun with sighup ;) 17:39 < mikegrb> heh have a good night wap 18:06 -!- sighup [me@thegrebs.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:13 < adamgent> speak to you all tomorrow 18:13 < caker> Nite Adam 18:13 < mikegrb> cya 18:13 < mikegrb> time to head to blue man group concert 18:13 < jax> cya 18:14 < caker> BMG is coming to Nashville -- Venus Hum opening for them (used to host their site) 18:14 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has left #linode [.. sleep ..] 18:14 -!- quik is now known as Quik 18:14 < mikegrb> yes 18:14 < mikegrb> same tour was going to mention that to you 18:14 < caker> Heard on the radio this afternoon 18:14 < mikegrb> anyway later 18:15 < caker> cya 18:15 < caker> .. quiet in here without host11 screaming at me :) 18:16 < Quik> i'll scream at ya if it makes you feel at home ;) 18:17 < caker> eheh .. I have (counting)... 24 Xeon fans sitting here doing nothing .. maybe I'll hook them all up 18:17 < Quik> lol 18:17 < Quik> keep you cool 18:17 < caker> Yeah 18:17 < Quik> not that we really need it approaching winter :/ 18:18 < caker> I also have 24 heat sinks I have no idea what to do with 18:18 < Quik> where'd they all come from? 18:19 < caker> The 1U chassis come with their own 'special' heat sink and fans, so I don't use the ones that come in the Xeon's retail box 18:19 < Quik> ahh 18:20 < Quik> sell them as "Linode Collectors Edition Accessories" 18:20 < Quik> you'll make a bundle :) 18:20 < caker> Hrm .. 18:20 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has joined #linode 18:20 -!- mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ 18:20 -!- adamgent [~ag-webdes@80.3.216.33] has left #linode [] 18:21 < caker> I also have a brand-new GeForce FX 5600 256MB AGP graphics card I was thinking of selling or giving away as a promotion -- but can