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10:44 < eurozip> sighup, g7 eurozip
10:45 < sighup> #G7 stats for eurozip, the heh -- 34/113 Current Level: 42 | Time to next level: 1 days, 10:49:22 | Status: offline | Item Total: 356 | Total Time Idled: 24 days, 01:28:40
10:45 < adamg> and I have got to look at the chan before I start to type
10:46 < mikegrb> heh
10:46 < mikegrb> :)
10:46 < mikegrb> you even have gui client
10:46 -!- EFudd [~jason@forever.broked.net] has joined #linode
10:46 < mikegrb> howdy EFudd 
10:46 < adamg> i know but trying to do several things at once
10:46 < mikegrb> yeah, I know
10:47 < mikegrb> adamg: heh janwil is funny
10:48 < mikegrb> s/funny/(silly|...fill in the blank...)/
10:48 < mikegrb> :)
10:54 < adamg> now i cant emerge anything between 00:00 and 00:30 gmt
10:54 < mikegrb> :<
10:54 < mikegrb> I think it is time for a nap :)
10:55 < mikegrb> wake me up if caker comes around ;)
10:55 < adamg> and how will we do that!
10:55 < mikegrb> just tell sighup to ping me
10:55 < mikegrb> :)
10:55 < adamg> does that make a nice noise then
10:55 -!- ElfStone [elfstone@host-69-48-12-72.roc.choiceone.net] has joined #linode
10:55 < mikegrb> yes, but be nice
10:55 < mikegrb> :)
10:56 < mikegrb> I know where you're hosted!
10:56 < adamg> ok
10:56 < ElfStone> sighup linode avail
10:56 < sighup> Linode availability --
10:57 < ElfStone> None O.o
10:57 < adamg> linode is down, so sighup cant get the info
10:57 < ElfStone> oh
10:57 < ElfStone> what happened?
10:58 < adamg> I would say read the forum but that is down as well
10:58 < ElfStone> lol
10:58 < adamg> you should have got an email yesterday saying it was going down for maint
10:58 < ElfStone> the xo server is?
10:58 < ElfStone> LOL
10:58 < adamg> yes
10:58 < ElfStone> i do not have a linode
10:58 < ElfStone> =P
10:58 < adamg> you dont need a linode to get the email
10:58 < ElfStone> true
10:58 < ElfStone> wait
10:58 < adamg> just subscribe to the memberlist on the forum
10:58  * ElfStone thinks
10:59 < ElfStone> what e-maila ddress did i signup on teh fourms with
10:59 < ElfStone> i didi
10:59 < adamg> although we are a tad worried as the server went down alot earlier than it should have done
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11:02 < ElfStone> yea
11:02 < ElfStone> well bbl
11:02 < ElfStone> have to fix a pppd problem
11:02 < ElfStone> in slackware
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11:03 < adamg> hi AndyHat
11:03 < AndyHat> I'm sure this has probably already been beat to death here, but any word on what happened to the linode DNS servers overnight?
11:03 < adamg> they where due to go down today during the maintance period detailed on the forums
11:04 < adamg> but they seem to have gone down early
11:04 < adamg> my bets are on the HDs becoming full causing the dns servers to terminate
11:05 < AndyHat> Oh, I just saw an announcement about the web server going down.
11:05 < adamg> the dns severs are on the same box
11:05 < adamg> do you get your ips via dhcp?
11:06 < AndyHat> Yeah, but that wasn't the problem.
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11:06 < adamg> are you using gentoo
11:06 < AndyHat> I had my MX records set to point to li2-47.members.linode.com to satisfy any overly pedantic SMTP servers out there.
11:07 < AndyHat> But that wasn't resolving, so my incoming mail was bouncing.
11:07 < AndyHat> I'm using debian.
11:07 < adamg> you should alawys point mx to an ip
11:07 < adamg> and set-up reverse dns
10:13 < AndyHat> Anyways, that was easy enough to fix once I noticed what the problem was, but then outbound mail still didn't work to some hosts.
10:14 < adamg> what dnsservers are listed in resolv.cong
10:14 < adamg> s/cong/conf
10:14 < AndyHat> Outbound problems were to sites that check the DNS of the host they're receiving from.
10:15 < AndyHat> Since 69.56.173.47 resolves to li2-47.members.linode.com, which didn't resolve, they refused my mail.
10:15 < ant> dumb q for anyone - can I use rh9 binary install rpm's with fedora - eg for dracd , qpopper etc?
10:15 < adamg> so nice of them
10:15 < AndyHat> It's a spam trap thing.
10:15 < adamg> ant you should be able to
10:15 < AndyHat> Annoying when there's a transient DNS problem, though.
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10:16 < ant> caker enters stage left
10:16 < adamg> hi caker
10:16 < adamg> sighup ping mikegrb
10:16 < sighup> mikegrb: ping! ping! ping!
10:16 < sighup> mikegrb was last seen on #linode 15 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: I know where you're hosted! [1072796453]
10:16 -!- mode/#linode [+o caker] by ChanServ
10:17 < adamg> caker your in big demmand here
10:17 < caker> Can't wait to get to XO today so I can beat them with a stick
10:17 < adamg> the dns servers arnt working
10:17 < caker> 12:00 PM != 12:00 AM
10:17 < adamg> havnt been for hours
10:17 < AndyHat> They're working again.
10:18 < AndyHat> As of about 10 minutes ago.
10:18 < AndyHat> They just appear to have not been working for some time before that.
10:18 < adamg> my guess was that the hds where full
10:19 < caker> My appointment was for noon,, not 12 .. believe that?
10:19 < caker> er .. not midnight
10:19 < caker> They happily took the servers offline
10:19 < AndyHat> Nice.
10:19 < adamg> xo took the servers offline
10:19 < caker> Yup.
10:19 < adamg> why
10:20 < caker> mistook 12:00 for 00:00
10:20 < caker> they will be getting a beating
10:20 < adamg> they shouldnt remove them till you get there
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10:21 < ant> XO != clue
10:21 < caker> It's some kind of routing deal where they're able to re-route my IPs to the work area, but it went afoul
10:21 < adamg> hi Chang
10:21 < caker> so in effect, nova had the secondary machine's IPs
10:21 < caker> or should I say IP
10:21 < adamg> that is understandable at least means you can have them running while you are working on them
10:22 < adamg> but they should at least make sure they do it right
10:22 < ant> not enough caffeine clearly
10:22 < caker> I've always said XO is great as long as I don't need them to do anything
10:23 < caker> at any rate ... good morning :)
10:23 < adamg> well not a midnight
10:24 < adamg> so when are you heading to the dc caker
10:24  * ant yawns, shuffles off to bed , g'night
10:24 < caker> here in a few
10:24 < adamg> are you going to have irc access there
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10:24 < caker> not sure
10:25 < caker> I can fire up irssi on nova after each boot, but I'll be busy
10:25 < adamg> so the next downtime due in 2 hours or so then
10:26 < caker> maybe in 3 hrs or so .. but should be a short one at first
10:29  * adamg waits till midnight gmt
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10:34 < adamg> hi fjor, philboinc
10:35 < ElfStone> sighup linode avail
10:35 < sighup> Linode availability -- [Linode 64: 22] [Linode 96: 0] [Linode 128: 14] [Linode 192: 0] [Linode 256: 0]
10:36 < ElfStone> guess teh site is backup
10:36 < adamg> for now
10:37 < ElfStone> http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=589
10:37 < ElfStone> posted recently
10:37 < ElfStone> last 5 mins
10:38 < adamg> sighup linode forums
10:38 < sighup> adamg: Linode.com Announcements:  XO Routing Issue early morning 12/30/2003; Linode.com Announcements: Sticky: #linode Community IRC Chat Channel (irc.oftc.net); Linode.com Announcements: Announcement: Linode.com webserver maintenance - 12/30/2003; Feature Request/Bug Report:  delivering email alerts when all else fails; Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials:  Creating an offsite binary replica
10:38 < fjor> hello
10:39 < fjor> I do have a few questions regarding setting up DNS. Hope can get some help here...
10:39 < adamg> you may be able to
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10:40 < fjor> Is it possible for me to use ns1.theplanet.com and ns2.theplanet.com as nameservers?
10:40 < adamg> not for your own domains
10:40 < jax_work> zoneedit.com
10:41 < fjor> I see. So I have to create nameservers for my own domain?
10:41 < adamg> for your own domains you could use zonedit or set-up your own nameserbers
10:41 < eurozip> just install bind
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10:42 < fjor> as a matter of fact, I have installed bind and configured to use theplanet.com as 2 nameservers but it didn't work.
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10:47 < adamg> hi muadib
10:48 < adamg> fjor: once you have set-up bind which the records for your domains, you have to point your domains at your DNS server, this is done by registering your nameservers
10:48 < adamg> this is usally done by via your domain registrar, where you enter the nameserver name and the IPs of the dns server
10:48 < muadib> hello
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10:51 < was-fjor> hello. I'm actually fjor logged in previously enquiring about dns setup. somehow, my browser had problem and I was log out but my nick is still in this channel.
10:52 < adamg> fjor: once you have set-up bind which the records for your domains, you have to point your domains at your DNS server, this is done by registering your nameservers
10:52 < adamg> this is usally done by via your domain registrar, where you enter the nameserver name and the IPs of the dns server
10:53 < was-fjor> I have in fact pointed my domain to the two nameservers that I used : ns1.theplanet.com and ns2.theplanet.com
10:54 < was-fjor> sorry, I'm a newbie, so please bear with me.  :p
10:55 < adamg> you cant use theplanet nameservers
10:56 < adamg> have you installed bind
10:56 < was-fjor> yes I have installed bind.
10:56 < adamg> have you configure bind
10:57 < was-fjor> yes I've configured bind
10:57 < adamg> you need to registrar your nameservers
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10:58 < adamg> linkin ns.... to your IP address
10:59 < adamg> this is usually done through the company you registered your domain with
11:00 < was-fjor> I'm confused. I've got 3 DNS servers assigned by linode. Do I point my domain to the 3 DNS servers?
11:01 < adamg> no, those are for resolution only
11:03 < was-fjor> I see. So which means I should point my domain to the IP address of my machine?
11:04 < adamg> yes
11:05 < was-fjor> Is registering nameservers the same as registering a domain name?
11:06 < adamg> kinda
11:06 < eurozip> no, well kinda
11:06 < eurozip> after the name registration
11:06 < adamg> who did you register your domain with
11:06 < was-fjor> registerfly
11:07 < adamg> log into your registerfly account
11:07 < was-fjor> ok. logged in..
11:08 < adamg> how many domains do you have
11:08 < was-fjor> I have 2 domains
11:08 < adamg> choose the domain you want to have as the nameserver
11:09 < adamg> somewhere they should be the option to register nameservers within registerfly
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11:10 < ElfStone> this is annoying
11:10 < ElfStone> adamg, do you use linux as your main os?
11:10 < adamg> ElfStone sometime
11:10  * eurozip does
11:10 < eurozip> os x sometimes
11:11  * tjfontaine is linux all the time
11:11 < was-fjor> ok I've chosen a domain for nameserver
11:11 < ElfStone> adamg, which ditro
11:11 < adamg> debian/gentoo
11:11 < ElfStone> distro
11:11 < ElfStone> eurozip, hehe i use slackware
11:11 < tjfontaine> linux is linux is linux
11:11 < eurozip> yep
11:12 < ElfStone> hehe tjfontaine well i just reinstall slackware and gaim and mozilla crashs on start
11:12 < tjfontaine> crashes? does it ever draw the screen?
11:12 < ElfStone> tjfontaine, true but mandrake does not have the wtf is command and slackware does not haev the services command
11:12 < was-fjor> what IP address do I have to use to assign to the nameserver(s)?
11:13 < adamg> your linode ip address
11:13 < eurozip> whatever ip your linode is
11:13 < eurozip> if it needs 2, you can point ns1.domain.tld and ns2.domain.tld to the same ip
11:15 < was-fjor> what's the rationale for pointing 2 nameservers to the same IP?
11:16 -!- ElfStone` [elfstone@host-69-48-14-184.roc.choiceone.net] has joined #linode
11:16 < ElfStone`> grr
11:16 < ElfStone`> The remote system does not seem to answer to
11:16 < ElfStone`> configuration request! Contact your provider!
11:16 < ElfStone`> my isp did not respond to a proxy arp request
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11:18 < adamg> wap: they are supposed to be seperate etc, but if you have only one IP and you do not mind that much you can point both to the same ip
11:20 < was-fjor> So if I have two different IPs with two nameservers pointing to each of them, one of them could be used as a backup. Am I right?
11:21 < adamg> yes but only if they where on seperate servers
11:21 < was-fjor> got it!
11:22 < was-fjor> so after registering the nameservers, I have to wait 36 hours before I can setup my domain to point to it?
11:22 < adamg> yes
11:23 < AndyHat> Getting domains set up takes an annoying long time.
11:23 < tjfontaine> godaddy++
11:23 < adamg> but they may start to work  alot quicker than that
11:28 < was-fjor> Suppose I use, say, godaddy or zoneedit, can I host websites for multiple domains on my linode machine?
11:28 < adamg> yes
11:29 -!- eurozip [~zip@adsl-66-136-35-17.dsl.snantx.swbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:29 < adamg> zoneedit allow you to set-up 5 domains for free
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11:30 < was-fjor> do the five domains include subdomains like www.mydomain.com, smtp.mydomain.com?
11:30 < adamg> dont know as I dont use it
11:34 < was-fjor> adamg, no problem. u've been a great help. same to all other guys. thanks! really appreciate it. I've learned something here.   :)
11:34 < adamg> np
11:36 < ElfStone> lol
11:36 < ElfStone> was-fjor, then mean
11:36 < ElfStone> 5 base domains
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11:36 < adamg> hi h
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11:37 < ElfStone> i belibe it is unlimited addiotns to the base
11:37 < ElfStone> meaing stmp
11:37 < was-fjor> Elfstone: lol
11:39 < AndyHat> As far as I know, zoneedit's 5 domains means 5 domains.  You can have as many hosts within each domain as you want.
11:40 < was-fjor> Elfstone, AndyHat : hmm....if it is so, then it's great. I'll check it out.
11:40 < AndyHat> Though, personally, I just register my domains at namecheap.com, which throws in DNS service with the registration.
11:40 < ElfStone> so does godaddy
11:41 < AndyHat> Do they now?  Last time I checked, godaddy didn't offer full DNS.
11:41 < was-fjor> AndyHat : how much did you pay for that?
11:41 < AndyHat> $8.88/year.
11:41 < AndyHat> Well, I should say, godaddy offered DNS, but it was an extra (and not cheap) cost on top of registration.
11:41 < ElfStone> AndyHat, they changed that
11:41 < ElfStone> it is free now
11:42 < ElfStone> well for 100 dns entrys anyway
11:43 < eurozip> there was a guy on the linode forums offering dns, iirc
11:44 < eurozip> I got an extra gig, I need to set on up on linode anyhow
11:44 < eurozip> s/on/one/
11:49 < AndyHat> So, indeed, looks like "Total DNS Control" is now part of the package at godaddy.  I love competition.
11:49 < ElfStone> yea
11:49 < ElfStone> hehe
11:49 < ElfStone> but when i get my ded or linode
11:49 < ElfStone> w/e i choose
11:49 < ElfStone> i prob would run a dns serve
11:49 < ElfStone> servert
11:49  * eurozip is setting up a debian linode
11:50 < AndyHat> The problem is getting redundancy.
11:50 < eurozip> if yall need dns, just ask, np
11:50 < ElfStone> yhehe
11:50 < ElfStone> i am still lookign around
11:50 < ElfStone> and seeing if i would get a linode
11:50 < ElfStone> or a ded
11:50 < ElfStone> i found a ded the same price as a linode 256
11:50 < was-fjor> AndyHat: yah, u're right. redundancy is a headache 
11:51 < AndyHat> Letting namecheap or godaddy do it gets you plenty of redundancy.
11:51 < ElfStone> AndyHat, i use godaddy cuz of the cheap .us prices
11:51 < ElfStone> when i bougth 2
11:52 < AndyHat> Yeah, godaddy's $4.95/year .us price is pretty much unbeatable.
11:52 < AndyHat> Of course, I don't have any .us domains.
11:52 < AndyHat> I just did com/org/net for myself.
11:53 < ElfStone> well
11:53 < ElfStone> the .net was n/a
11:54 < ElfStone> hehe
11:54 < ElfStone> by my hostname
11:54 < ElfStone> what city would you think i lived in
11:55 < ElfStone> host-69-48-14-184.roc.choiceone.net
11:56 < adamg> mikegrb you awake from your nap?
11:57 < ElfStone> well later
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12:02 < was-fjor> what do u guys usually do to ensure your mail service is up always? get another backup server?
12:02 < adamg> use a backup mx 
12:04 < was-fjor> adamg: how does that work?
12:05 < adamg> basically another mail server that accepts mail and then forwards it to your main mail server when it becomes available
12:05  * jax_work is away: lunch
12:06 < was-fjor> adamg: is that difficult to set up?
12:06 < adamg> no idea never set one up
12:06 < adamg> but I will be doing at some point within the next month or so
12:09 < was-fjor> I might need to set one up also, so will be looking for more info on the internet regarding this.
12:09 < adamg> http://www.courier-mta.org/FAQ.html#backupmx
12:10 < was-fjor> thanks man!   :)
12:11 < adamg> seems rather easy for courier, looks like you just tell courier to accpet the mail and that is it
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12:13 < was-fjor> hmm...how's Courier as compared to Sendmail?
12:14 < tjfontaine> Sendmail is overly complicated for what it does, I prefer postfix
12:15 < eurozip> exim++
12:18 < adamg> courier is a lot easier to configure
12:19  * adamg considers offering backup mx to people for a small charge
12:24 < adamg> just to cover hd and bw costs
12:27 < was-fjor> adamg, can I have your email so that I can contact u if I need a backup mx from u?
12:28 < adamg> at the momment I do not have backup mx running will have soon though, but I am always available here
12:29 < was-fjor> ok I'll find u here then   :)
12:31  * adamg has to think of what a resonable charge would be
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12:40 < adamg> hi Jimbo
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12:52 < adamg> hi sjansen
12:52 < sjansen> howdy adamg
12:53 < tjfontaine> adamg: is our new onjoin bot
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12:59 < mikegrb> heh
12:59 < adamg> just nice to say hi to people
12:59 < adamg> mikegrb you missed caker!
13:00 < mikegrb> yes
13:00 < mikegrb> I saw
13:00 < mikegrb> didn't have the volume up enough to wake me :/
13:00 < mikegrb> oh well
13:00 < adamg> hehe
13:01 < mikegrb> so he has now had problems with each of the colo providers he uses heh
13:01 < mikegrb> a carrier neutral place probably has better trained people
13:02 < adamg> well i think a carrier neutral DC is next on caker list
13:03 < mikegrb> heh yes
13:03 < mikegrb> that is why I said it
13:03 < mikegrb> plus he could play games while waiting for hdd to cp :)
13:03 < mikegrb> that would make the copy take longer
13:03 < mikegrb> heh
13:03 < mikegrb> he would go play and come back three hours after it is done
13:04 < adamg> yep
13:05 < adamg> he would never be out of the dc
13:06 < mikegrb> indeed
13:06 < mikegrb> that is why I want to live in one of the little dc located office thingies
13:10 < adamg> heidi wouldnt let you
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13:15 < adamg> hi limecat
13:15 < limecat> hey
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15:39 < adamg> it should be back
15:39 < tjfontaine> its coming to life now
15:40 < nick> praise the lord
15:40 < nick> or something
15:40 < nick> equally pointless
15:40 < tjfontaine> heh
15:41 < adamg> so it should go down 1 more time
15:41 < nick> ( liner78) yeah, but my uncle works for microsoft
15:41 < nick> get that shit a lot?
15:42 < tjfontaine> all the time
15:42 < nick> man
15:42 < nick> there was a white spider on my desk
15:42 < nick> and rather than kill it i just brushed it off
15:42 < nick> now im paranoid as fuck
15:42 < tjfontaine> heh, you've nothing to fear
15:45 < nick> no
15:45 < nick> i fear spiders
15:45 < AndyHat> Spiders are our friends.
15:45 < AndyHat> They kill all the other nasty bugs.
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15:55 < pjdc> just testing: sneakums
15:56 < sneakums> rocko spocko
15:58 < adamg> hi vmole
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16:14 < Jango> "
16:14 < Jango> Reboot from SSH does a shutdown, not a reboot. In order to do a reboot, you need the Linode control panel. As long as you don't attempt a reboot or shutdown during the downtime, you should be fine. A minor point, but one that could bite someone if they're not careful."
16:14 < Jango> yeah, that was my problem
16:14 < Jango> guess i should read the forums in future
16:14 < Jango> but i still can't access the console
16:15 < adamg> you wont be able to!
16:15 < Jango> the site is up again though?
16:15 < adamg> the console login required a look up into the database for the username and password
16:15 < adamg> well in that case
16:16 < adamg> i can login to my console
16:16 < Jango> ah...hang on a sec, i forgot about *that* console
16:16 < Jango> i was thinking control panel
16:16 < adamg> arrah
16:19 < Jango> actually you can still help....if my host is linode3, what do i ssh to
16:19 < Jango> can't find the docs on the site..
16:19 < sjansen> Any idea when the control panel will be back?
16:20 < adamg> host3@linode.com#
16:20 < adamg> host3@linode.com
16:20 < Jango> cheers ;)
16:20 < adamg> use your CP username and password
16:20 < AndyHat> I believe the estimate was 10-20 minutes downtime.
16:21 < sjansen> Starting when? The outage has definetly been more than 20 minutes.
16:22 < adamg> the estimate is 10-20 minutes, that did pass sometime ago it is just a wait and see game now
16:25 < nick> im suing
16:27  * mikegrb sues nick
16:27 < nick> im suing you for suing me
16:27 < nick> so nyah
16:27 < Jango> um
16:27  * Jango sues you both?
16:27 < nick> the hell
16:27  * Artifex sues himself
16:27 < Artifex> and wins!
16:27 < nick> im suing nicole
16:27 < nick> that dirty whore
16:28 < tjfontaine> dirty pop
16:29 < nick> where the hell is the crop button
16:29 < sjansen> Let's see... I wish I made $500 dollar/hour, times the 2 hours I'm going to lose watching a movie while I wait for things to start working again... plus pain and suffering.... Yep, looks like I get a Linode 256 for free for 1.25 years.
16:29 < nick> god i hate photoshop
16:29 < nick> oh please
16:29 < nick> my colos been down since fucking june
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16:34 < nick> wb
16:34 < nick> (welcome back)
16:37 -!- nick is now known as lilo-
16:37 -!- lilo- is now known as nick
16:50 < nick> had i not decided to reboot my linode right before the server went down, it would still be up, right?
16:52 -!- Efudd-he is now known as lamEfudd
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17:04 < Griswald> can you just connect to the main host and ssh start it up?
17:05 < tjfontaine> no
17:05  * Griswald shrugs.
17:05 < Griswald> dunno much about it :)
17:05 < Griswald> anywho, back in a bit.
17:06 < sjansen> Control panel still down, eh?
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17:41 < nick> wb
17:41 < nick> (welcome back)
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18:36 < caker> hola
18:36 < guinea-work> aloh
18:36 < guinea-work> a
18:36 < guinea-work> :D
18:36  * caker is staring at a few million bucks worth of computer equipment
18:36 < guinea-work> that's nice
18:36 < guinea-work> PICTURES!
18:37 < caker> lots of fun today .. bios updates to get it to recognize > 60 gig drives
18:37 < caker> and so on
18:37 < guinea-work> heh
18:37 < guinea-work> like the bios really needs to recognise anything
18:37 < guinea-work> that's what we have linux for :D
18:38 < nick> uhh
18:38 < caker> well, bios and a new kernel, too :)
18:38 < guinea-work> i take it everything went swimmingly?
18:38 < caker> copy is about 1/2 done ... then lilo the new drive and final reboot
18:39 < adamg> is this the read only copy?
18:40 < nick> wow
18:40 < caker> actually, you're correct .. initialcopy, then reboot into single, sync the db and mail spool, then final reboot :)
18:41 < adamg> so are you in the actual datacenter caker or are you in the dirty room thing
18:41 < adamg> sighup ping mikegrb
18:41 < sighup> mikegrb: ping! ping! ping!
18:41 < sighup> mikegrb was last seen on #orion 1 hours, 17 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: bendy24: do you want a quotes db or not? [1072819757]
18:41 < tjfontaine> heh
18:41 < caker> I'm right outside the DC looking in .. 
18:42 < caker> on a piece of junk machine
18:42 < caker> spacebar and return barelywork
18:43 < tjfontaine> sounds about right for what you want in a CD
18:43 < tjfontaine> er
18:43 < tjfontaine> DC
18:43 < adamg> so are you allowed in the actual dc then
18:44 < caker> Yeah, thats where I was mostofthe afternoon
18:44 < adamg> some DCs dont let you in the main dc and de-rack your machines for you etc
18:45 < caker> It was cool -- the guy that I've known for years here was here today and he told them I was good to go in there :)
18:46 < adamg> or some insist on staying with which is a real pain
18:46 < guinea-work> heh
18:46 < nick> whats dc stand for?
18:46 < nick> sighup: dc?
18:46 < sighup> somebody said dc was KLWX located in  United States 38-59N. Also see Baltimore
18:46 < adamg> datacenter
18:46 < nick> oh yeah
18:46 < nick> dur
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18:47 < caker> did you guys see uml_logger rejoin like 20 times?
18:48 < adamg> yes
18:48 < nick> nope
18:48 < caker> heh
18:48 < nick> i mean yes
18:48 < adamg> it is how we new the box was backup
18:48 < nick> i made the brilliant tactical move of rebooting my linode about 20 seconds before the entire thing went down and i thought i broke something.
18:49 < caker> nick: hehe .. one of the first reboots forced me to fsck twice .. took a while
18:49 < adamg> and I have been considering setting up a back mx service
18:50 < nick> im paranoid now
18:50 < nick> everytime i use linix something fucking breaks and i lose colo for 6 months
18:51 < Jango> colo?
18:51 < caker> huh? :)
18:51 < nick> yeah yeah
18:53 < Jango> bah, resolv.conf keeps getting overwritten, and i'm sure dhcpcd isn't running :(
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18:54 < adamg> people charge a lot for backup mx services
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19:17 < Jango> nice knowing ya
19:17 < Jango> i'm off
19:17 < Jango> cheers for the help
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19:20  * nick is away (its hot in here)
19:59 < caker> man this is taking forever ...
20:09 < adamg> so your there for the night then caker
20:09 < caker> I hope not
20:12 < adamg> how far through is it?
20:13 < caker> about 2 gigs left
20:13 < adamg> is that for both machines?
20:13 < caker> The other machine is pretty much done, just needs to be synced again once the main is done
20:14 < caker> these drives are only udma2 ...
20:15 < caker> er, the ide interface is only udma2 ,., the drives are udma5
20:19 < adamg> so just a tad slow then
20:19 < adamg> sighup ping mikegrb
20:19 < sighup> mikegrb: ping! ping! ping!
20:19 < sighup> mikegrb was last seen on #orion 8 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: heh [1072829762]
20:20 < mikegrb> adamg: you rang?
20:20 < mikegrb> caker: howdy
20:20 < adamg> yeah, any chance I can have a copy of your pdnsd config file
20:20 < caker> mikegrb: hola
20:20 < mikegrb> adamg: no
20:20 < mikegrb> heh
20:20 < mikegrb> of course you can silly
20:20 < adamg> oh and mike dont upgrade portage
20:20 < adamg> thanks
20:21 < mikegrb> I have a few domains in there fwd and reverse for ircd
20:21 < mikegrb> oh?
20:21 < mikegrb> caker: I guess now you know to bring a keyboard of your own with you in the future
20:21 < adamg> it doest like the rsync_excludefrom setting
20:21 < mikegrb> what happened?
20:21 < mikegrb> I've not had problems with it yet
20:21 < adamg> if you comment it out emerge sync works if it is not commented it out emerge sync wont work
20:22 < adamg> there was a portage update today that broke it, or it broke it from me
20:22 < mikegrb> oh
20:22 < mikegrb> with new portage
20:22 < mikegrb> I see
20:22 < adamg> i have logged a bug
20:22 < mikegrb> okay thanks for the headsup
20:22 < mikegrb> spiffy
20:22 < mikegrb> have the bug number handy?
20:22 < adamg> 36853 
20:22 < mikegrb> I'd like to add self to cc list
20:22 < mikegrb> thanks
20:23 < adamg> gregf on the gentoo chan told me to log it
20:23 < adamg> so now I have 2 open bugs, hopefully this one will get sorted quicker than the other one
20:25 < adamg> mikegrb how come you have all the xbox-linux rr records set
20:25 < mikegrb> heh for irc
20:26 < mikegrb> adamg: do /whois dave
20:26 < adamg> basic vhost then
20:26 < mikegrb> basically
20:26 < adamg> but wont that only work on orion and not system wide
20:26 < mikegrb> yes
20:26 < mikegrb> that is the idea though
20:26 < mikegrb> then they just connect to orion
20:27 < adamg> k
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20:31 < adamg> thats better, mikegrb I have updated the pdnsd conf file to use the root name servers, so if I cant resolv something no one can
20:35 < adamg> caker if I reboot my linode will it work
20:35 < caker> adamg: yes
20:36 < caker> adamg: better do it soon, tho
20:36 < adamg> reboot submitted via lish
20:38 < adamg> oh caker I need to talk to you about gentoo tomorrow
20:39 < caker> okay
20:39 < adamg> caker if the db server is down can you log into the console?
20:40 < Getch> Speaking of gentoo, I've got a linode 64, and am in the process of doing an emerge -u portage.  Any clue how long that might take?
20:41 < adamg> not long took me about 20 mins or so takes ages search the dependency tree
20:41 < adamg> but updating to the latest portage may cause emerge to stop working
20:41 < guinea-work> (use psyco!)
20:41 < adamg> all booted
20:43 < adamg> yay pdnsd works using the root name servers
20:43 < Getch> Hmmm....  Did that because emerge told me to do that after I started the mirror rsync.  It's been going for several hours.  Oh well, nothing to do but wait and see.
20:44 < adamg> what is it sitting doing?
20:45 < guinea-work> probably fetching a new python and gcc too :p
20:45 < Getch> Probably.
20:45 < guinea-work> use -p before running to find out what it's gonna do
20:45 < Getch> It's on glibc-2.3.2-r3/work/glibc-2.3.2/buildhere/sunrpc/rpc_prot.o
20:46 < guinea-work> -p for pretend
20:46 < guinea-work> aha. that'll take a while
20:46 < Getch> Seems like it.
20:46 < guinea-work> glibc is a bastard
20:47 < adamg> glibc took me about 8 hours
20:47 < guinea-work> ^ bastard
20:47 < Getch> OK.
20:47 < Getch> That's a good idea.
20:48 < guinea-work> i maintain there should be a linode distcc ccache at each DC :P
20:48 < guinea-work> also, i think there should be a new distro
20:48 < Getch> That's a compiled cache?
20:48 < guinea-work> debtoo... or gentian
20:48 < guinea-work> mmmm, gentian
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20:52 < adamg> Getch no there isnt a ccache but there should be
20:52 < Getch> Might speed it up a bit.  What's a DC?
20:52 < adamg> datacenter
20:53 < adamg> there was a brief discussion about ccache on the forum, but it never went any further than that
20:54 < adamg> sighup linode forums
20:54 < sighup> adamg: Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials:  Creating an offsite binary replica; Linode.com Announcements:  XO Routing Issue early morning 12/30/2003; Linode.com Announcements: Sticky: #linode Community IRC Chat Channel (irc.oftc.net); Linode.com Announcements: Announcement: Linode.com webserver maintenance - 12/30/2003; Feature Request/Bug Report:  delivering email alerts when all else fails
21:25 < mikegrb> adamg: check out the bug
21:25 < mikegrb> then give me a ++ I got if fix0red
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21:26 < adamg> just need to wait for it to get into portage now
21:27 < adamg> i didnt go as far as poking through the code
21:27 < adamg> mikegrb++
21:28 < mikegrb> that was my first time
21:29 < mikegrb> pissed me off though because the current version in portage is not in cvs
21:29 < adamg> strange
21:30 < adamg> i need to write a script to go through the exclude dir and delete the relevant dirs from the portage tree
21:44 < adamg> nite all
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21:47  * caker pats UML_ChanLog 
21:47 < caker> ok, time for some freaking food and the drive home ..
21:47 < ElfStone> O.o
21:47 < caker> sighup: netping alien.theshore.net
21:47 < sighup> PING alien.theshore.net (64.35.99.206) 56(84) bytes of data.
21:47 < sighup> 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4969ms
21:47 < sighup> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 84.698/84.949/85.257/0.390 ms
21:48  * caker snickers
21:48 < caker> \
21:48 < caker> bbi about 2hrs
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23:37  * Artifex made slashdot
23:37 < Artifex> woot
23:37 < Artifex> :-D
23:37 < Artifex> http://slashdot.org/
23:37 < Artifex> :-D
23:37 < Artifex> :-D
23:37 < mikegrb> heheh
23:38 < mikegrb> with a link to a linode there too
23:38 < mikegrb> though a torrent so I dunno if that counts too much :)
23:38 < mikegrb> I've uploaded about 2.5gb since this morning
23:39 < tjfontaine> me too
23:39 < tjfontaine> :/
23:40 < tjfontaine> I shoudl be doing more
23:55 < caker> Artifex: You have the sidekick phone thing, right?
23:56 < Artifex> caker: yup
23:56 < caker> can you vi from it; does it have control and esc, etc ?
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