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00:00 < schweeb> caker: yea, it appears as though SSH and IMAPS get disconnected within a minute of each other
00:36 < mikegrb> schweeb: time to break out the difibulator and resuscitate
00:37 < mikegrb> how many hops between you and your linode, and are ping times normally good?
00:37 < mikegrb> this is a new problem, right?
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00:56 < schweeb> yea, it's a new problem
00:57 < schweeb> 13 hops
00:58 < schweeb> and ~85ms pings
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01:29 < caker> schweeb: I just connected to a shell on your machine...
01:31 < schweeb> yea, shells work
01:31 < schweeb> it's been behaving the last 20 mins or so again, I restarted all the courier daemons
01:33 < schweeb> IMAPS was disconnecting like a fiend earlier though, which is new to like today, and I've had courier running the whole last month straight, with an email client connected almost constantly, no problems.
01:34 < schweeb> just tryin to help you diagnose any problems there may be.  the mail servers are getting switched over to my dedicated server tomorrow, if I can get a few UMLs running on it
01:34 < schweeb> so I'm not too concerned.
01:37 < caker> strange .. hard to dismiss as just a network problem 
01:39 < ElfStone> i love bncs
01:39 < schweeb> bah. nother dead ssh.
01:41 < caker> hmm, mine was idle, and is still connected
01:41 < ElfStone> lol
01:42 < ElfStone> ssh is a pain
01:42 < ElfStone> never wants to stay connected
01:43 < sinned> i've never had that problem
01:43 < sinned> i've never had an ssh session drop by itself
01:43 < sinned> unless the entire network dropped from the remote host
01:44 < ElfStone> i have
01:44 < ElfStone> timeouts
01:44 < sinned> what ssh software are you using
01:44 < sinned> and what kind of networks are you using it over?
01:44 < ElfStone> openssgh
01:44 < ElfStone> openssh
01:44 < ElfStone> it is 100mbit to gigabit
01:45 < sinned> wow
01:45 < sinned> strange
01:45 < ElfStone> i am connecting to the server over dialup
01:45 < sinned> oh, dialup
01:45 < ElfStone> the server is 100mbit to gigabit
01:45 < sinned> back in the day i never had a problem with ssh over dialup though
01:45 < schweeb> I'm connecting over 3Mb Cable -> linode
01:45 < ElfStone> lol
01:45 < ElfStone> at least i dun use ao,
01:45 < ElfStone> *aol
01:45 < ElfStone> the server is not a linode
01:46 < ElfStone> i do not own it
01:46 < ElfStone> but i have admin to it
01:46 < ElfStone> the sysadmin was sick of me asking him to do stuff
01:47 < sinned> even with putty.exe as a client i never get ssh timeouts
01:52 < ElfStone> lol
01:53 < ElfStone> mirc is not ipv6 frenidly
01:57 < ElfStone> sinned you use ipv6?
02:55 < guinea-sleep> who's the one in the .mil here?
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03:21 < sinned> elfstone no
03:22 < sinned> i have an ipv6 block assigned from HE for my linode
03:22 < sinned> and my friends have ipv6 addresses too
03:22 < sinned> but none of us run any applications that use ipv6
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05:04 -!- NeXTer[zZzZ] is now known as NeXTer
05:04 < NeXTer> Morning
05:04 < eadz> evening :)
05:07 < NeXTer> No, I'm quite sure it's morning
05:08 < eadz> Wednesday evening here :)
05:19 < NeXTer> Damn aussies, always getting ahead of the times... Up to no good, not a single one of them I tell you!
05:21 < eadz> I agree! bunch of fly swatting crocodile hunters
05:21 < eadz> who can't spell beer
05:21 < NeXTer> Ah, so you're YABA?
05:22 < eadz> YABA ? YABA DABA DO DA?
05:22 < NeXTer> And I can't spell either... Just another bloody Aucklander
05:23 < NeXTer> I'd better go do something about my tea so I stand a sliver of a chance of waking up today...
05:23 < eadz> actually I'm not in Auckland, but coromandel..
05:25 < NeXTer> Bah, I should stop with these guessing games, I'm no good at them :/
05:26 < eadz> heh
05:26 < NeXTer> I'll blame it on too much blood in my teastream...
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11:27 < eurozip> any one know how to install a jet direct postscript printer with lpadmin on solaris 8?
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11:54 < ElfStone> hey if you "had" to use windows what would you use
11:54 < ElfStone> xp 2k or 98(not se)
11:55 < NeXTer> I use XP
11:55 < inkblot> dongs
11:55 < ElfStone> .i am about to refromat so i figure i would ask
11:55 < NeXTer> With the proper "motivation" (read: sledgehammer treatment) it gets me places Linux can't at the moment
11:56 < ElfStone> yea
11:56 < ElfStone> i need it for school
11:56 < ElfStone> and for this one game i play
11:56 < NeXTer> I use it because I need something that just works without getting in my way
11:57 < inkblot> surely your school has student computer laboratories with appropriately lobotomized machines
11:57 < eurozip> looks as if you have to build it
11:58 < eurozip> mdk NeXTer
11:58 < ElfStone> inkblot no
11:58 < NeXTer> eurozip: Uhm, no
11:58 < inkblot> where the hell do you go to school, then?
11:58 < inkblot> croatia?
11:58 < ElfStone> No
11:58 < ElfStone> my school favors macs
11:59 < inkblot> well then you probably need a Mac for school, not windows
11:59 < inkblot> and that means there are labs you can use
11:59 < ElfStone> inkblot no lol there is isn;t a lab
11:59 < ElfStone> but i need office for school
12:00 < eurozip> http://tokyojim.com/cups.html
12:00 < eurozip> good page
12:04 < adamg> sighup ping EFudd
12:04 < sighup> EFudd: ping! ping! ping!
12:04 < sighup> EFudd was last seen on #linode 12 hours, 48 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying: i'm still getting 3 requests/second for that dumb file :) [1075263119]
12:28 < NeXTer> The other side of the problem is that the apps I enjoy working with don't really have any counterparts in Linux, and no, I don't enjoy screwing around with CrossOver/WINE all that much
12:30 < NeXTer> I do run Debian on my four servers though
12:32 < shakr> vmware?
12:33 < NeXTer> I find it kinda silly to fire up a virtual computer for webbrowsing, email, IM, PS... Not to mention the occasional game
12:35 < shakr> why not set up a real windows box then if you must have all those apps in windows?
12:35 < NeXTer> A workstation running XP doesn't qualify as "a real windows box"?
12:36 < shakr> i missed the original problem, it sounded like you didnt have the hardware or whatever to set one up. and yes it would be
12:37 < NeXTer> Scroll up a page or two... Or are you one of those weird people who use /clear every ten minutes?
12:38 < shakr> i skimmed :p must have confused you and ElfStone
12:39 < shakr> but if xp is the preferred platform, then how about linux under vmware
12:41 < NeXTer> Well, one of my servers doubles as a "not-quite-workstation"
12:41 < NeXTer> For IRC, additional browsing, and having a whole bunch of SSH sessions open to the other servers
12:52 < shakr> yeah i use xp primarily as well, people who run linux on the desktop confuse me
13:01 < NeXTer> It kind of bugs me that browsing, email and IM should be things I have to keep on the workstation, seeing as those are areas where *nix are traditionally strong...
13:04 < NeXTer> I guess the first two bits might change once Firebird and Thunderbird reach maturity. But for IM I just don't see anything that can compete with Miranda UI-wise
13:05 < NeXTer> SIM could possibly get there in another major revision or two
13:36  * adamg wonders what that person asking about adult hosting is trying to get at
13:37 < caker> no kidding :)
13:39 < ElfStone> O.o
13:40  * ElfStone wonders why his pc ios being a bitch
13:40  * caker deploys a cleanup script that removes old accounts from machines
13:40 < NeXTer> I _could_ comment on that, but it'd be like shooting fish in a barrel...
13:40 < adamg> well he seems to be trying to hint at something
13:41 < NeXTer> ElfStone: You shouldn't give such obvious openings :P
13:42 < caker> I was afraid to ask what that guy was thinking
13:42 < caker> "Sure, I'm doing _blahblah_"
13:42 < adamg> no doubt you will find out if they signup
13:42 < NeXTer> It'll probably be with a stolen CC anyway...
13:43 < caker> heh
13:43 < caker> I disabled a spammer yesterday
13:44 < adamg> nice
13:44 < adamg> well that is nearly all my bw used for this month
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14:12 < ElfStone> grr
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15:23 < adamg> caker is that fav ico new?
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15:46 < caker> adamg: nope .. been there since July or so
15:48 < adamg> only just noticed it in the ie address bar
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16:00 < adamg> sighup linode forums
16:00 < sighup> adamg: General Discussion:  disk space; Sales Questions and Answers:  adult hosting; /dev/random:  Boy these boards are quiet ...; General Discussion:  /dev/random not being seeded; Linux Networking:  Using MRTG to monitor CPU/Memory Usage.
16:10 < guinea-work> eww favico
16:11 < guinea-work> caker: do you reference the favico anywhere, or just rely on stupid browsers to assume it's there and try to load it?
16:11 < guinea-work> 'cuz not all browsers are stupid. some only look for it if it's mentioned in teh html :D
16:14 < caker> no mention of it anywhere -- I just assumed IE requested it when someone made a bookmark
16:16 < EFudd> man
16:16 < EFudd> i'm gonna have to pull that file out
16:16 < EFudd> i'm almost over quota on my other machine :P
16:18 < EFudd>  cat snowtowcar.wmv
16:18 < EFudd> Sorry. This file has been removed.
16:18 < EFudd> egrep -ic snowtowcar.wmv /var/log/apache2/access_log
16:18 < EFudd> 30172
16:21 < guinea-work> ie requests it pretty much everytime it loads a page
16:22 < guinea-work> mozilla derivatives can be told whether or not to
16:22 < EFudd> total transferred: 412Gb
16:22 < guinea-work> whoa
16:22 < guinea-work> i thought you disabled it?
16:22 < EFudd> i setup mirrors
16:22 < guinea-work> ah
16:22 < EFudd> then just redirected a while
16:23 < EFudd> but i just looked and had 12 connections/second
16:23 < EFudd> was time to shut down
16:23 < EFudd> the redirector did almost 700MB
16:23 < EFudd> if that gives you any idea :)
16:36 < mikegrb> EFudd: I did 21gb
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16:43 < EFudd> heh 
16:46 < EFudd> mike, /nods. the 412Gb is total transferred based on my own + referral counts
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16:48 < mikegrb> ahh
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17:30 < ElfStone> tjfontaine: you therE?
17:39 -!- Strikeh [~khevlar@alb-24-195-121-113.nycap.rr.com] has joined #linode
17:39 < Strikeh> lo... anybody about who could help me with something regarding general membership?
17:39 -!- Strikeh is now known as Incutio
17:40 < caker> Incutio: hello
17:40 < caker> Incutio: I sent you your activation email a few minutes ago
17:40 < Incutio> nvm
17:41 < Incutio> I did something stupid and didn't realize usernames were case-sensitive
17:41 < Incutio> ta though
17:41 < caker> actually, I had to activate your account before it was going to let you in
17:41 < caker> at any rate, welcome to the club
17:41 < Incutio> oic, ta
17:42 < Incutio> it doesn't exactly indicate that in the pre-registration emails just fyi
17:42 < Incutio> and I've got one dumb question actually
17:42 < caker> There is a small notice on the last step, perhaps I should make it bolder ..
17:42 < Incutio> ne idea if 64 mb RAM will be enough to run GNUworld?
17:42 < caker> sure
17:42 < Incutio> I've run it before but all the systems had like 256 mb
17:42 < caker> sounds like it
17:43 < Incutio> the stupid resource-hog it is
17:43 < caker> I've never used it ..
17:44 < caker> Memory usage: Efforts are made to create software that uses as little physical memory as possible. However, we will always prefer a reliable product to one that uses very little memory.
17:44 < Incutio> its the best irc services available
17:44 < Incutio> but its crap to configure compared to others
17:44 < Incutio> thanks m8
17:45 < caker> np
17:49 -!- Incutio is now known as Strikeh
17:52 < Strikeh> caker still about?
17:52 < Strikeh> Just wondering what 'disk image size' and 'select swap' really do
17:53 < NeXTer> How big your partitions are
17:55 < NeXTer> 128-256 MB Swap and the rest as ext3
17:55 < Strikeh> kk
17:55 < Strikeh> thx
17:56 < Strikeh> immediately after I finish building an actually good mIRC bot I find this
17:57 < Strikeh> now I've got more to do ;-p
18:06 < ElfStone> Oh shit
18:06 < ElfStone> someone is buying sco shares >.<
18:10 < adamg> caker: it looks like you are going to have a big bw bill this month
18:10 < caker> yup :)
18:11 < adamg> god knows how much in total is going to be down to the video clip
18:12 < ElfStone> caker, do you get charged for bw?
18:12 < caker> ElfStone: yes, of course
18:12 < ElfStone> i thouuugth you had unmetered
18:12 < caker> nope
18:12 < ElfStone> how much extra would tahtc ost
18:12 < ElfStone> lol
18:13 < adamg> would what cost
18:13 < ElfStone> an unmetered rack
18:13 < adamg> you can have un-metered on a fixed line
18:13 < adamg> so you could pay for a 1 meg connection and have unmetered on that
18:13 < adamg> but that is only something like 360 meg
18:13 < ElfStone> yea
18:13 < ElfStone> i mean
18:14 < ElfStone> at he
18:14 < ElfStone> i knwo they off unmetered
18:14 < ElfStone> *offer
18:16 < adamg> the problem with unmetered connections is that it usually removes the burtablility
18:16 < caker> HE has unmetered (100mbit) racks for $2500 .. no cross connects, only 15amp power
18:17 < adamg> not bad
18:17 < adamg> perfect for mirrors etc
18:18 < adamg> sighup (2500/100)/360
18:18 < sighup> 0.0694444444444444
18:19 < adamg> hmm about 7 cents a gig
18:19 < adamg> sighup 360*100
18:19 < sighup> 36000
18:20 < adamg> but only good if you need 36000 gig a month
18:20 < adamg> which what about 35 tb
18:21 < EFudd> .7c/gig?
18:21 < EFudd> i'll take 100 !
18:21 < adamg> heh
18:21 < adamg> would be nice
18:22 < EFudd> egrep -ic snowtowcar.wmv /var/log/apache2/access_log
18:22 < EFudd> 32216
18:22 < ElfStone> lol
18:22 < ElfStone> caker, mever mind then
18:23 < adamg> it is a good deal but only if you needed that sort of bandwidth
18:23 < ElfStone> sorgeforce
18:23 < ElfStone> they prob do
18:23 < adamg> baring in mind you are limited to about 6/7 servers and a switch
18:23 < adamg> it is a good deal for things like mirrors
18:23 < ElfStone> tea
18:23 < ElfStone> 2500 a month is alot
18:23 < ElfStone> for me anyways
18:24 < adamg> ElfStone: it is not that much
18:24 < adamg> not if you need that amount of bandwidth
18:24 < ElfStone> it costs near $1000 for a oc-3 line
18:24 < caker> from where?!
18:24 < adamg> which is what 45 meg
18:24 < ElfStone> O.o
18:24 < ElfStone> yea
18:24 < ElfStone> caker, ho wmuch is it ussaly?
18:24 < adamg> I would be suprissed
18:25 < EFudd> # Total: 36.4 GB
18:25 < EFudd> man
18:25 < EFudd> close to going over on my backup server too :)
18:25 < adamg> the only place you can get cheap bw like that is cogent
18:25 < ElfStone> LOL they are evil
18:25 < adamg> but not that cheap
18:25 < adamg> there is nothing wrong with cogent
18:25 < adamg> it is a good network
18:25 < ElfStone> tea
18:25 < ElfStone> yea
18:25 < ElfStone> lol
18:25 < ElfStone> fine
18:25 < ElfStone> $2000 for a oc-3
18:26 < adamg> the reason cogent have a bad name is beacause people who use them usually oversubscribe the line and thus it seems shite
18:26 < ElfStone> how much for a gigabit line i wonder
18:26 < adamg> ElfStone: are you just making up numbers
18:26 < ElfStone> adamg, no
18:26 < adamg> cogent is $1000 for 100 meg
18:26 < ElfStone> was looking a a pricerange chart
18:27 < Strikeh> adamg if we have a domain on another nameserver
18:27 < Strikeh> where should we move it to?
18:27 < adamg> how do you mean Strikeh
18:27 < adamg> move the domain to other nameservers or repoint it
18:27 < ElfStone> here i can get lines from adelphia att verizon mci
18:27 < ElfStone> sprint
18:27 < Strikeh> I own elitistnation.net
18:27 < adamg> right
18:27 < Strikeh> I want it completely based off of my vps with u guys
18:27 < Strikeh> so what do I do
18:28 < ElfStone> use bined
18:28 < adamg> you need to either set-up a name server
18:28 < ElfStone> and webmin
18:28 < adamg> or use an external service
18:28 < ElfStone> or edit the files directly
18:28 < Strikeh> ne hints as to how to start a set-up a name server?
18:28 < adamg> alot of people use zoneedit as they provide 5 domains for free
18:28 < adamg> Strikeh to start with use zoneedit
18:28 < ElfStone> yea i do
18:28 < adamg> it will get you started
18:28 < Strikeh> k, where do I get that
18:29 < ElfStone> but i can;t figure out how to revser a ipv6
18:29 < adamg> zoneedit.com
18:29 < Strikeh> kk ta
18:29 < adamg> ElfStone: just put an AAA record in the dns record
18:29 < ElfStone> aaaa and i did
18:29 < ElfStone> and in the ptr
18:29 < ElfStone> i put elfstone.gileada.net reverse to elfstone.gileada.net
18:30  * ElfStone has hearth attack
18:30 < ElfStone> 8027 dollars for a oc-3
18:30 < adamg> Strikeh: you then need to get zoneedit to point the domain to your servers and then you need to set-up apache to serve pages for that domain
18:30 < Strikeh> kk
18:31 < schweeb> ElfStone: and that surprises you somehow?
18:31 < ElfStone> yes
18:31 < ElfStone> O.o
18:31 < schweeb> OC-3 is a lot of frigging lines.
18:31 < ElfStone> 1 fiberoptic glass
18:31 < schweeb> by lines I mean voice lines
18:32 < ElfStone> oh
18:32 < ElfStone> ool
18:32 < ElfStone> lol
18:32 < ElfStone> cogent has a pop here
18:32 < ElfStone> prob in mainplace
18:32 < ElfStone> Ojh
18:32 < schweeb> like T-1's are 24 lines.  OC-3 is a lot more
18:32 < ElfStone> a t1 line for 300 dollars
18:32 < schweeb> and it's more expensive to set up and maintain an OC3
18:34 < ElfStone> well
18:34 < ElfStone> i'll stick with cable
18:34 < ElfStone> when i can get it
18:34 < adamg> oh yes thats right you dont have any money
18:34 -!- mode/#linode [-o adamg] by adamg
18:35 < ElfStone> yea yea yea lol
18:35 < ElfStone> i never do
18:36 < ElfStone> adamg, do you for that kind of stuff
18:36 < adamg> for what a cable connection yes
18:36 < ElfStone> for a E1?
18:37 < adamg> it is T1 in the states, dont confuse the 2 they are different
18:37 < schweeb> you sure that that T1 for $300 isn't fractional?
18:37 < ElfStone> adamg, i know E1 is in the EU T1 is in the states
18:37 < adamg> no but I dont need it, if I did then yes
18:37 < schweeb> they usually go for like $800 if I recall
18:37 < ElfStone> E1 and E3 use a differnt tech
18:38 < ElfStone> schweeb, special
18:38 < adamg> no an E1 is EU but it is not that same as a T1
18:38 < ElfStone> i never said it was
18:38 < schweeb> E1 and T1 are similar but not the same
18:38 < ElfStone> i said E1 is in the EU and uses differnt tech then T1 which are in the states
18:38 < ElfStone> E1 are slower the T1 but an E3 is faster then a T3
18:39 < adamg> I cant remember the difference but I know it is there
18:39 < ElfStone> *then a T1
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18:41 < adamg> sighup change 800 php to gbp
18:41 < sighup> adamg: 800 Philippine Peso makes 7.89 British Pound
18:45 < NeXTer> I prefer PHP 4.3.3...
18:45 < ElfStone> sighup, change 800 usd to gbp
18:45 < sighup> ElfStone: 800 U.S. Dollar makes 440.67 British Pound
18:46 < ElfStone> sighup, 800 gbp to usd
18:46 < sighup> ElfStone: i'm not following you...
18:46 < ElfStone> sighup, change 800 gbp to usd
18:46 < sighup> ElfStone: 800 British Pound makes 1,451.92 U.S. Dollar
18:46 < adamg> sighup change 1 gbp to usd
18:46 < sighup> adamg: 1 British Pound makes 1.81 U.S. Dollar
18:46 < ElfStone> gzz
18:46 < adamg> hmm 1.81 it is going down
18:46 < ElfStone> the pound has more value then the dollar (us)
18:46 < Strikeh> Start the VNC Server by typing "vncserver" at the command prompt.  <--- command not found
18:47 < ElfStone> sighup, change 1 USD to CD
18:47 < sighup> ElfStone: 'CD' probably isn't a real currency.
18:47 < ElfStone> sighup, change 1 USD to cd
18:47 < sighup> ElfStone: 'CD' probably isn't a real currency.
18:47 < ElfStone> sighup, change 1 USD to cad
18:47 < sighup> ElfStone: 1 U.S. Dollar makes 1.33 Canadian Dollar
18:47 < NeXTer> Strikeh: What distro did you install?
18:48 < Strikeh> redhat 9.0 small
18:50 < NeXTer> Mmmkay... Have you checked that the TightVNC (equivalent) is installed?
18:50 < Strikeh> no, how do I go about that?
18:50 < Strikeh> I'm not experienced in unix administration
18:51 < caker> Strikeh: try: apt-get install vncserver
18:52 < NeXTer> RH9 has apt?
18:52 < Strikeh> E: Couldn't find package vncserver
18:53 < Strikeh> so I download tightvnc?
18:53 < caker> try: apt-get install vnc-server
18:54 < Strikeh> ta
18:54 < Strikeh> there a list of programs like that available?
18:54 < ElfStone> slack dun have aptget =P
18:55 < caker> Strikeh: kinda here .. http://ayo.freshrpms.net/redhat/9/i386/
18:55 < NeXTer> Strikeh: You may want to examine aptitude, it's a more visual package manager
18:56 < Strikeh> [root@li4-183 root]# vncserver
18:56 < Strikeh> -bash: vncserver: command not found
18:56  * caker tries
19:00 < caker> erm. .worked for me, let me deploy a fresh disk
19:00 < Strikeh> ?
19:01 < caker> ahh redhat 8.0
19:01 < caker> not 9
19:01 < Strikeh> crap
19:01 < Strikeh> lemme change
19:02  * NeXTer whispers "Debian" in Strikeh's ear
19:02 < Strikeh> used to redhat
19:11 < sinned> cogent's 100mbit service sucks though, it doesn't translate to an actual 100mbit throughput connection to the internet
19:12 < sinned> you're on 100mbit to their network but you won't ever see even close to that for sustained throughput
19:12 < sinned> to the rest of the internet outside of their network
19:18 < adamg> well since once again I havnt got any work done, I am going to get some sleep
19:18 < adamg> nite all
19:22 < Strikeh> where can I get a nameserver to install actually on the server
19:24 < sinned> for what purpose
19:24 < sinned> to serve dns zones for a domain you own?
19:25 < sinned> or to act as the machine's local dns cache
19:25 < sinned> or both, or what
19:27 < Strikeh> dunno the difference tbh
19:27 < sinned> well i scrolled up, i assume you mean to host the dns for elitistnation.com ?
19:27 < Strikeh> think <sinned> to serve dns zones for a domain you own?
19:27 < sinned> do you already have a couple 'nameserver 1.2.3.4' type lines in the file /etc/resolv.conf
19:28 < Strikeh> yes
19:28 < NeXTer> Strikeh: BIND9 would be the logical choice for hosting one's own domains
19:29 < sinned> i disagree
19:29 < NeXTer> Oh?
19:29 < sinned> if you're used to using BIND and don't want to learn a different configuration setup, or you need to use DNSSEC
19:30 < sinned> but BIND is a pretty bloated, historically insecure piece of software
19:30 < sinned> http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/nsd/  <- this is my favorite dns server, but it's only good for hosting domains, not acting as a cache for anyone
19:31 < NeXTer> Historically, yes. Those weaknesses are not generally found in BIND9 though
19:31 < sinned> yeah the same thing was said about BIND8 when they came out with that : P
19:32 < Strikeh> nvm I'll use zoneedit 4 now
19:32 < sinned> hehe
19:33 < NeXTer> Maybe, but the current revision is pretty tight. Not to mention the widespread use makes it a "learn once, use everywhere" deal
19:34 < NeXTer> I don't doubt NSD is good, or maybe even preferable for new users, but is it something they will encounter on other servers?
19:34 < sinned> definitely not
19:35 < sinned> but i don't think anyone who isn't a sysadmin type is going to come into the role of administering a dns server someoen else setup
19:35 < ElfStone> Strikeh, zoneedit uses bind
19:36 < sinned> using BIND for your average dns services is like using apache for serving static .html pages
19:37 < NeXTer> Does anyone actually do that in this day and age?
19:37 < sinned> do what?
19:37 < sinned> serve static html?
19:37 < NeXTer> Ya
19:37 < sinned> of course
19:37 < NeXTer> Hmm...
19:38 < sinned> it amazes me that people will run the hog that is IIS on their win2k servers just to serve a handful of simple html and jpgs
19:38 < NeXTer> Then again, most people who do static HTML don't have their own servers, but rather use some hotel which will most likely be running Apache, ir IIS :P
19:39 < sinned> probably
19:39 < sinned> i think i'm thinking more of an intranet environment
19:40 < NeXTer> Hmm... You might be right, though from what I've seen around here, ASP is pretty prevalent in that setting, with IIS of course...
19:40 < sinned> maybe static html is becoming a rarity
19:43 < NeXTer> I get the point of the analogy at any rate, though I don't think BIND is enough of a hazzle to worry about... Just a couple of lines in named.conf.locan and a fairly straight-forward (and widely documented) zone file. The performance bit would be the only real advantage that I can think of
19:45 < adamg> i just took a look on the nsd site, it does not seem to say much
19:45 < sinned> bind has a lot of fine-grained access control though, and depending on whereyou got your example .conf file from, and what default options the binary was compiled with, a lot of features and such might be turned on by default
19:45 < sinned> like AXFR's and IXFR's from anywhere, dynamic dns enabled without authorization
19:46 < sinned> people using your server as a cache without you knowing
19:46 < NeXTer> Of course, I'm the kind of guy who doesn't want to use "smaller" software for fear of outgrowing it and having to move to the "real" thing eventually anyway.
19:46 < sinned> etc
19:46 < sinned> then there's tons of features they came out with in BIND8 and 9 i don't even know what they are, so i can't give them as examples of defaults that could be enabled
19:47 < sinned> adamg it uses bind-compatible zone files, and it's authoritative-only
19:47 < NeXTer> I've never had any issues with the standard configuration provided by Debian... Doesn't allow zone transfers or any such thing
19:47 < sinned> it doesn't support anything besides regular queries and AXFR's and notifies to valid slaves or masters
19:48 < adamg> sinned how does it handle as a seconday name server
19:48 < sinned> adam, it requires BIND's named-xfer binary hahaha
19:48 < sinned> none of the developers use it as a slave themselves so they haven't written anything to pull the zones from the master
19:48 < NeXTer> Riiight...
19:49 < sinned> it was designed to run as a root server
19:49 < sinned> they use it on k.root-servers.net and ns2.nic.fr now
19:49 < NeXTer> Not bad
19:50 < NeXTer> What are the other root servers running again?
19:50 < sinned> a lot of things
19:50 < sinned> windows 2000 dns, bind4, bind8, powerdns or somethign i believe on a couple
19:50 < Strikeh> bind is already installed
19:50 < Strikeh> how to I get to edit it and set it up
19:51 < sinned> a couple years ago i think BIND4 was on most of the root servers
19:51 < NeXTer> Strikeh: google for bind howto
19:51 < NeXTer> bind4? I assume there was a version number jump somewhere?
19:51 < ElfStone> lol what do the root servers use now?
19:52 < sinned> elf, win2k dns, bind4, bind8, nsd, and a commercial dns server for bsd/linux which i can't remember the name of
19:52 < sinned> tinydns or powerdns or ultradns
19:52 < adamg> just looking at powerdns
19:53 < ElfStone> what isthe most used dns?
19:53 < sinned> i don't know if anyone has done a survey elf
19:53 < ElfStone> lol
19:54 < mikegrb> ElfStone: google might know
19:54 < ElfStone> !google most used dnsd
19:54 < xbox-logger> http://www.raidendnsd.com/
19:54 < ElfStone> O.o
19:55 < NeXTer> I suspect it might be a case of BIND being the leading DNS as a sort of self-fullfilling prophecy... Everyone "knows" everyone else uses it, so they use it too...
19:55 < ElfStone> !google rootdns
19:55 < xbox-logger> http://www.openldap.org/lists/openldap-software/200009/msg00425.html
19:55 < ElfStone> lol
19:55 < sinned> next i'm pretty sure BIND8 is the most prevalent today, followed by Win2k DNS
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19:56 < NeXTer> Quite
19:56 < mikegrb> ElfStone: you know you can type www.google.com into your browser, right?
19:56 < sinned> bind8's certainly #1 for linux/bsd/solaris users
19:56 < sinned> and win2k dns is the most popular for windows users
19:56 < ElfStone> mikegrb, yes but i use firebird google bar
19:56 < sinned> and those are the two most common platforms for internet hosting servers
19:56 < mikegrb> are you really this stupid or are you a troll?
19:57 < ElfStone> mikegrb, what do you mean
19:57 < mikegrb> right
19:57  * mikegrb is afk to sonic for ein Getränk
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20:01 < sinned> wow for a windows dns server, raiden dnsd sounds pretty good
20:03 < Strikeh> gah
20:03 < Strikeh> what is the linux cmd to add a group again?
20:03 < sinned> groupadd ?
20:04 < NeXTer> Raiden, eh? The software by those guys is usually good, but they're real pricks. I've personally been chewed out by them for a perfectly legit question with an answer along the lines of "I am right, and you are an idiot, and if you don't know why I'm right you're an even bigger idiot"
20:04 < Strikeh> ta
20:04 < Strikeh> thought I tried it
20:04 < Strikeh> but apparently I didn't
20:08 < sinned> i'd never heard of it before nexter
20:08 < NeXTer> I used to have a license for their RaidenFTPD before I moved to ProFTPD on Debian
20:09 < NeXTer> Probably the most capable FTP server for Windows
20:09 < sinned> what do you use ftp for?
20:10 < NeXTer> Oh, a little bit of this, and a little bit of that
20:11 < adamg> I think I am going to stick with bind
20:12 < adamg> for now at least
20:12 < ElfStone> i like bond the better then what else i ahev seen
20:12 < ElfStone> more well known more helpdocs
20:14 < NeXTer> The one thing that bugs me about DNS is that every admin out there writes their zonefiles differently, and they usually include stuff for reasons such as "uh, that's always been in there, so it must be good for _something_"
20:18 < NeXTer> Of course, I guess the same effect can be seen in just about any system given enough age...
20:29 < ElfStone> lol
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20:32 < schweeb> goddammit, more imaps disconnects.
20:42 < ElfStone> sighup g7 ElfStone
20:42 < sighup> #G7 stats for ElfStone, the ElfGod -- 105/158 Current Level: 29 | Time to next level: 0 days, 05:37:29 | Status: online | Item Total: 241 | Total Time Idled: 3 days, 19:34:55
20:42 < ElfStone> sighup g7 mikegrb
20:42 < sighup> #G7 stats for mikegrb, the Ruler of All -- 1/158 Current Level: 51 | Time to next level: 14 days, 09:32:40 | Status: online | Item Total: 471 | Total Time Idled: 68 days, 02:38:35
20:42 < ElfStone> damn
20:43 < schweeb> woohoo.
20:43 < schweeb> dedicated server: complete
20:43 < ElfStone> schweeb addy?
20:43 < schweeb> not public yet
20:43 < ElfStone> lol
20:43 < ElfStone> does it haev ipv6?
20:44 < schweeb> dunno
20:44 < schweeb> I'll have to ask my guy
20:44 < ElfStone> lol
20:44 < ElfStone> porb not
20:44 < ElfStone> *prob
20:44 < ElfStone> i need to find a ded with both ipv4 and ipv6 native
20:45 < ElfStone> caker is ipv6 via he tunneled?
20:45 < caker> ElfStone: yes.
20:45 < ElfStone> k
20:45 < ElfStone> tunneling is okay
20:46 < ElfStone> but is is unstable from what i seen
20:47 < ElfStone> i do not know of any
21:25 < Strikeh> caker
21:25 < Strikeh> u still about?
21:26 < caker> yes
21:27 < Strikeh> what type of machine is the gatewayy?
21:27 < caker> I'm not sure, but a good guess would be a cisco router
21:34 < NeXTer> Night
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