--- Day changed --- Log opened Sun Jan 23 23:59:02 2005 00:20 < linbot> New news from forums: Hunting: Brilliant Firewall builder for debian in Linux Networking 00:32 -!- Strike [~strike@ninetails-42.dynamic.rpi.edu] has joined #linode 00:32 < Strike> lo...? 00:32 < Strike> my server apparently just took a massive crap :-/ 00:40 < Strike> ne1 about? 00:40 < Strike> perhaps having the same problem? 00:44 -!- Strike [~strike@ninetails-42.dynamic.rpi.edu] has quit [Quit: ] 01:05 -!- Newsome [~sorenson@byu-gw.customer.csolutions.net] has left #linode [Leaving] 01:27 -!- spr [~spr@c-67-161-219-228.client.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: spoon!] 01:43 -!- Shaun [~ndci@ip68-111-70-41.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #linode 02:01 < rafx> fo0bar: that sounds really cool. probably would make a great wiki page or forum post. bet it gets tons of views 02:14 < fo0bar> rafx: http://gentoo-wiki.com/SECURITY_Encrypting_Root_Filesystem_with_DM-Crypt <-- this is where I got it from 02:49 -!- anderiv [~anderiv@207-67-87-34.gen.twtelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:53 -!- anderiv [~anderiv@207-67-87-34.gen.twtelecom.net] has joined #linode 03:32 -!- tierra|h [tierra@c-67-166-119-150.client.comcast.net] has joined #linode 03:37 -!- syntaxman [~423a3b2a@linode.com] has joined #linode 03:38 -!- syntaxman is now known as syntax 03:40 -!- syntax is now known as syntaxman 03:44 -!- DarkSSJ [~darkssj@82.53.166.249] has joined #linode 03:46 < syntaxman> I'm using a 2.4 kernel in my linode. It's a Debian installation... What do I need to do to prepare it for one of the 2.6 kernels? 03:47 < syntaxman> Can I just select the new kernel? Or do I need to do a load of homework first? 04:01 < fo0bar> syntaxman: woody? 04:03 < fo0bar> sarge is pretty easy, just "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686" (for linode the kernel itself isn't needed, but that will also bring the needed dependencies up to date) 04:03 < fo0bar> woody I would imagine is harder (I haven't done it myself)... the linode forums would be the best bet 04:13 -!- kspm710 [~462158e5@linode.com] has joined #linode 04:13 < kspm710> How lobnng has linode been around 04:14 -!- kspm710 [~462158e5@linode.com] has quit [Quit: ] 04:21 < fo0bar> longer than you waited for a reply 04:32 < syntaxman> fo0bar: I'm using sarge... I overlooked the idea of installing the kernel. 04:41 -!- Guest43 [~misthos@i-194-106-39-170.freedom2surf.net] has joined #linode 04:41 -!- adamg [~misthos@i-194-106-39-170.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:53 -!- TehDan [~dan@flexo.area-52.org.uk] has joined #linode 04:57 -!- TehDan [~dan@flexo.area-52.org.uk] has quit [Quit: ] 04:58 -!- DarkSSJ [~darkssj@82.53.166.249] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:33 -!- DarkSSJ [~darkssj@82.53.166.249] has joined #linode 06:37 -!- harshy [~harshy@dhcp024-208-175-126.columbus.rr.com] has joined #linode 06:37 -!- harshy|lap [~harshy@dhcp024-208-175-126.columbus.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:21 -!- Guest43 is now known as adamg 07:36 -!- gxt [~440ad6ca@linode.com] has joined #linode 07:36 < gxt> So, I just got my Linode this weekend. 07:37 < gxt> Every time I emerge it to 2004.3, it has serious problems. 07:37 < gxt> Is this normal? 07:37 < gxt> Is there a special trick or technique to updating a Linode? 07:38 < adamg> what command are you running 07:38 < gxt> emerge --update --deep --newuse world 07:38 -!- david [~dcoulson@muffin.davidcoulson.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:42 < adamg> what problems do you hit? 07:43 < gxt> After the update completed (which took like 12 hours), I could no longer login via ssh. 07:44 -!- bendy24 [~slb@bendy.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:44 < gxt> It also doesn't boot correctly. 07:44 < gxt> Specifically... 07:44 < adamg> can boot errors do you get? 07:45 < gxt> It says that it can't find /lib/modules/2.6.10-linode11/modules.dep 07:45 < gxt> And then it asks me if I want to enter maintenance mode. 07:46 < adamg> try booting with a 2.4 kernel 07:46 < gxt> That's a good thought... 07:46 < gxt> I'll try that... 07:47 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12lco19.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: sunny] 07:51 < adamg> any luch?> 07:52 -!- TehDan [~dan@flexo.area-52.org.uk] has joined #linode 07:52 < gxt> Well, it's doing the same thing. It doesn't seem to be reading the disk image correctly. The error is... "The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2" 07:53 < gxt> When I log into maintenance mode as root, /dev/udba doesn't exist. Also, the node has no outside network access. 07:53 < gxt> Hmmm... 07:54 < gxt> I gotta' get to work. I'll check back in later. Thanks for your assistance adamg. :-) 07:55 -!- gxt [~440ad6ca@linode.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC] 07:56 < adamg> looks like he overrode his fstab file without thinking 08:02 -!- Guest43 [~misthos@i-194-106-39-170.freedom2surf.net] has joined #linode 08:02 -!- adamg [~misthos@i-194-106-39-170.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:03 -!- emcnabb [~emcnabb@38.116.3.194] has joined #linode 08:12 -!- ossido [~ossido@101.174.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:20 -!- ossido [~ossido@53.175.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #linode 08:31 -!- Guest43 is now known as adamg 08:53 -!- harshy [~harshy@dhcp024-208-175-126.columbus.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:01 -!- cout [cout@pcp03785361pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] has joined #linode 09:03 -!- Redgore [redgore@195.38.75.112] has joined #linode 09:07 -!- nwrk [~d9cd7e82@linode.com] has joined #linode 09:08 -!- nwrk [~d9cd7e82@linode.com] has quit [Quit: ] 09:09 -!- harshy [~harshy@dhcp024-208-175-126.columbus.rr.com] has joined #linode 09:09 -!- harshy [~harshy@dhcp024-208-175-126.columbus.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ] 09:12 -!- harshy [~harshy@dhcp024-208-175-126.columbus.rr.com] has joined #linode 09:18 -!- david [~dcoulson@tawny.nacs.net] has joined #linode 09:19 -!- david is now known as Guest253 09:25 -!- Guest253 is now known as david 09:47 * caker departs 09:49 -!- Redgore [redgore@195.38.75.112] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:49 -!- FesterCouples [~a04f3805@linode.com] has joined #linode 09:49 < FesterCouples> sighup seen caker 09:50 < FesterCouples> !seen caker 09:50 < linbot> FesterCouples: caker was last seen here 2 minutes and 46 seconds ago saying: * caker departs 09:50 -!- FesterCouples [~a04f3805@linode.com] has quit [Quit: ] 09:53 -!- Redgore [redgore@195.38.75.112] has joined #linode 10:07 -!- harshy [~harshy@dhcp024-208-175-126.columbus.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:21 -!- nwrk [~d9cd7e82@linode.com] has joined #linode 10:23 -!- DarkSSJ [~darkssj@82.53.166.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:24 -!- nwrk [~d9cd7e82@linode.com] has quit [Quit: ] 10:24 -!- DarkSSJ [~darkssj@82.53.154.54] has joined #linode 10:32 < heidi> caker: be careful 10:32 < heidi> good luck 10:33 -!- nwrk [~d9cd7e82@linode.com] has joined #linode 10:34 -!- nwrk [~d9cd7e82@linode.com] has quit [Quit: ] 10:37 -!- spr [~spr@c-67-161-219-228.client.comcast.net] has joined #linode 10:37 -!- spr [~spr@c-67-161-219-228.client.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:44 -!- nwrkstn1 [~d9cd7e82@linode.com] has joined #linode 10:46 -!- Newsome [~sorenson@sorenson.dsl.csolutions.net] has joined #linode 11:00 -!- nwrkstn1 [~d9cd7e82@linode.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC] 11:18 -!- greenlava [~greenlava@h0006258242e4.ne.client2.attbi.com] has joined #linode 11:19 < greenlava> anyone else having trouble with linode.com? seems the site is really slow 11:23 < SupaDongzu> woo woo 11:23 < greenlava> hello? 11:23 < greenlava> ah...works 11:24 < greenlava> anyone having slow connections to linode.com and the forums? 11:24 -!- spr [~spr@ramona.cs.byu.edu] has joined #linode 11:25 < SupaDongzu> not I 11:29 < greenlava> weird. i have a corporate LAN and a Comcast connectikon here at my desk...slow goings from both 11:29 < greenlava> i take it back. connection screams from Comcast 11:46 -!- Newsome [~sorenson@sorenson.dsl.csolutions.net] has left #linode [Leaving] 11:54 -!- sunny [~sunny@pool-68-161-170-230.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #linode 12:01 < rafx> i cannot connect to www.linode.com, timing out 12:02 < rafx> damn, i need to make a disk image backup before doing something 12:10 -!- rafx [~rafx@adsl-68-75-53-161.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:27 -!- Newsome [~sorenson@obelix.cs.byu.edu] has joined #linode 12:28 < NeonNero|> yup, looks like the connection to linode.com is struggling 12:28 -!- NeonNero| is now known as NeonNero 12:30 < NeonNero> my own linode is working just fine, though 12:36 < adamg> probably just the box linode.com is sitting on 12:39 < NeonNero> looks like it 12:43 -!- rafx [~rafx@adsl-68-75-53-161.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #linode 12:44 -!- _3DSHROOM [~dddshroom@cs24243183-27.hot.rr.com] has joined #linode 12:45 < greenlava> my linode is fine too 12:45 < greenlava> linode.com is sometimes fast, sometime struggling 12:45 < greenlava> tough to get a connection...possible DOS? 12:46 < _3DSHROOM> my connection seems fine here, but the box I'm on has gotten so much slower than when I first signed up 12:46 < adamg> yeah thats what it looks like 12:48 < rafx> my ping to www.linode.com is around 45ms (pretty fast), but the web server doesn't respond at all 12:49 < adamg> different ports, so possible an attack at apache 12:50 < rafx> wonder if caker is running mod_dosevasive. it doesn't stop dos attacks but supposedly helps a decent amount 12:50 < greenlava> well that sucks 12:51 < greenlava> does linode.com share a box with any other linodes? 12:52 < adamg> no 12:57 < _3DSHROOM> anyone else run gentoo on their linode? 12:57 * NeonNero does 12:57 < adamg> yes 12:57 < _3DSHROOM> do you have the cheapest account? or a better one? 12:58 < NeonNero> cheapest one 12:58 < _3DSHROOM> does your server ever really lag when you emerge sync? 12:58 < _3DSHROOM> I run a good bit of programs on mine but things get REALLY slow even just doing a sync, not even compiling 12:58 < SupaDongzu> heh 12:58 < SupaDongzu> that'd be the I/O limiter 12:59 < SupaDongzu> gentoo is *really* not suited to linodes 12:59 < _3DSHROOM> yeah 12:59 < _3DSHROOM> it was fine at first 12:59 < SupaDongzu> anyway, you'll find the old style sync to be better than rsync for a linode 12:59 -!- array [~danny@CPE-139-168-150-115.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #linode 12:59 < SupaDongzu> since you won't be thrashing all over disk running checksums 12:59 < array> Sup all.. 13:00 < _3DSHROOM> what do you mean by old style sync 13:00 < SupaDongzu> I forget what the command was, as I don't have my gentoo box handy 13:00 < SupaDongzu> but there's a way to just do a flat download or rdist or something 13:00 < SupaDongzu> it's in the man page 13:00 < SupaDongzu> or the --help 13:00 < array> Why is bandwidth so expensive? 13:01 < array> 200$ p/mnth for 300GB 13:01 < EFudd> hey, you come from .au where bandwidth is metered worse than that. 13:01 < array> no shit 13:01 < array> thats why I buy US servers 13:01 < SupaDongzu> haha 13:01 < EFudd> so stop complaing? :) 13:02 < array> but my previous provider gave me 1000GB for $69 :P 13:02 < EFudd> switch back? 13:02 < _3DSHROOM> I bet their uptime sucked tho 13:02 < EFudd> I bet it was Cogent. :) 13:02 < array> no, their uptime rocked 13:02 < array> but I like theplanet 13:02 < EFudd> then switch back. 13:02 < EFudd> :) 13:02 < array> and I like the linode's owner 13:02 < EFudd> then stay. 13:02 < array> down to earth mofo 13:02 < array> I want to 13:03 < array> but why is bandwidth so expensive 13:03 < EFudd> then leave. 13:03 * EFudd bounces around 13:03 < EFudd> bandwidth isn't cheap 13:03 < EFudd> your last provder was cogent, no? :) 13:03 < _3DSHROOM> you must mean 1000GB total, $70 for 1000GB uploaded is different 13:03 < array> managed.com 13:03 < array> I want 1000GB total 13:03 < EFudd> buy from managed 13:03 < array> I don't want to buy another server 13:03 < array> I've had 4 and bills were killing me 13:04 < array> thats why I went UML 13:04 < adamg> I know several providers that gived 1000gig plus at low prices, but they can afford to that, if caker hit there level, then the bw prices will probably drop 13:04 < EFudd> regardless, bandwidth isn't cheap. most "omg 1TB of xfer" plans are cogent bandwidth meaning within their network, but charged for egress outside. 13:04 < EFudd> bandwidth is not cheap, I say again. (with some exception.) 13:05 < array> www.linode.com is down. 13:05 < EFudd> cakers planning is a deal, effectively. you are charged the same for overages as you would for pre-purchase. 13:05 < array> that kinda sucks though :/ 13:05 * EFudd begins to care less 13:05 < array> it's like you're getting penalty rates when buying in bulk 13:05 < adamg> pre-purchases past a certain level do key cheaper than the overcharge 13:06 < EFudd> oic. 13:06 < adamg> thus the 300 gig for $200 13:06 < array> there's no incentive to buy additional bandwidth if you're being charged penalty rates :( 13:07 < array> and if you pay yearly, it's exactly the same as paying monthly 13:07 < adamg> you arnt overage rates are $1 per gig 13:07 < EFudd> i use UML cause gentoo is offered with virtual serial console access. 13:07 < EFudd> no other reason. 13:08 < EFudd> not price, not tech, not bandwidth, not even stability (which is decent) 13:08 < EFudd> so array, just make up your mind, complaining doesn't fix anything, and stick with a choice. ktnx. HAND. HTH. 13:08 < array> don't get me wrong, I've been overwhelmed with the service since setup 13:08 < array> setup mind you was completed in a few hours 13:09 < array> and complaining helps, because customer feedback is always good to the company 13:09 < adamg> and it can take longer, all signups are manually checked 13:09 < EFudd> complaining has limits. :) 13:09 < EFudd> That is all. 13:10 < SupaDongzu> complaining is always good, because everybody loves listening to complaints! 13:10 < _3DSHROOM> The single reason I chose a linode was because they offered gentoo 13:10 < array> there's no degree of complaining with you in here efudd, because you don't let anyone explain themselves.. 13:10 < EFudd> I seet he uselessness of the specific complaint. :) 13:10 < EFudd> "omg gimme other pricing options for bandwidth damnit. gave me 1TB, why can't linode?! omgzomgzomgz." 13:10 < EFudd> did I miss something? 13:10 < array> Indeed. 13:10 < EFudd> Fair enough. 13:10 < SupaDongzu> If you give me your attention, I will tell you what I am: 13:10 < SupaDongzu> I'm a genuine philanthropist -- all other kinds are sham. 13:10 < SupaDongzu> Each little fault of temper and each social defect 13:10 < SupaDongzu> In my erring fellow-creatures, I endeavour to correct. 13:10 < SupaDongzu> To all their little weaknesses I open people's eyes; 13:10 < array> I wanted an explaination. 13:10 < SupaDongzu> And little plans to snub the self-sufficient I devise; 13:11 < SupaDongzu> I love my fellow creatures -- I do all the good I can-- 13:11 < array> Not a discount. 13:11 < SupaDongzu> Yet ev'rybody says I'm such a disagreeable man! 13:11 < SupaDongzu> And I can't think why! 13:11 * EFudd pets supa 13:11 < adamg> array: caker has said before for significant bandwidth requirments he can supply different pricing, best thing to do is contact him 13:11 < SupaDongzu> To compliments inflated I've a withering reply; 13:11 < SupaDongzu> And vanity I always do my best to mortify; 13:11 < SupaDongzu> A charitable action I can skillfully dissect; 13:11 < SupaDongzu> And interested motives I'm delighted to detect; 13:11 < SupaDongzu> I know ev'rybody's income and what ev'rybody earns; 13:11 < SupaDongzu> And I carefully compare it with the income-tax returns; 13:11 < array> I wanted to know why bandwidth here was so expensive in comparism to other providers, not to be attacked. 13:11 < SupaDongzu> But to benefit humanity however much I plan, 13:11 < SupaDongzu> Yet ev'rybody says I'm such a disagreeable man! 13:11 < SupaDongzu> And I can't think why! 13:11 < EFudd> array, i toldja. Because bandwidth outside of a network is not cheap. :) 13:12 < EFudd> the "1TB" options are often underlined with sekrets like "but not egress through . only inside the above.net peers (which is manageds' colo 13:12 < EFudd> ) 13:12 < SupaDongzu> I'm sure I'm no ascetic; I'm as pleasant as can be; 13:12 < SupaDongzu> You'll always find me ready with a crushing repartee, 13:12 < SupaDongzu> I've an irritating chuckle, I've a celebrated sneer, 13:12 < SupaDongzu> I've an entertaining snigger, I've a fascinating leer. 13:12 < SupaDongzu> To ev'rybody's prejudice I know a thing or two; 13:12 < adamg> the main reason they are the price they are is because caker does not use the level of bandwidth that gets him lower pricing. When he starts using more bandwidth his pricing will come down 13:12 < SupaDongzu> I can tell a woman's age in half a minute -- and I do. 13:12 < SupaDongzu> But although I try to make myself as pleasant as I can, 13:12 < _3DSHROOM> with as many accounts as linode hosts, you would think he would be able to get better rates than they do 13:12 < SupaDongzu> Yet ev'rybody says I'm such a disagreeable man! 13:12 < SupaDongzu> And I can't think why! 13:13 < SupaDongzu> I wish I had an ogg of that 13:13 < SupaDongzu> King Gama would have been a tech support nightmare 13:13 < adamg> _3DSHROOM: the accounts are spread over to different DCs thus usage is spread so prices dont lower that quickly 13:14 < _3DSHROOM> DC's? 13:14 < adamg> datacenters 13:14 < _3DSHROOM> o 13:14 < _3DSHROOM> how many 13:14 < adamg> cakers bw pricing has lowered since he started linode 13:14 < EFudd> if i wanted more bandwidth, i'd probably conceed on my gentoo requirement and use another provider. That's my simple point. :) 13:14 < adamg> 2 13:15 < _3DSHROOM> surely each DC uses at least 10 mbit sustained 13:16 < adamg> no idea 13:16 < _3DSHROOM> I used to host a single site than used 1 mbit 13:16 < _3DSHROOM> er 13:16 < _3DSHROOM> 2 13:16 < _3DSHROOM> $125 per mbit 13:16 < _3DSHROOM> you get up to 10 -20 tho 13:16 < adamg> IIRC he gets charged by the gig, at both DC, one by the actual usage, the other by the 95 percentile rule 13:16 < _3DSHROOM> and you get much better rates 13:16 < EFudd> $125/mbit is waaaaaaaaay pricey :) 13:16 < EFudd> adam, yeah, sounds right. 13:16 < EFudd> HE is 95th, iirc. 13:17 < adamg> thought that was TP 13:17 < _3DSHROOM> this was 95th too, but also in a VERY nice colo facility 13:17 < EFudd> hrm. 13:17 * EFudd shrug 13:17 < _3DSHROOM> 1/2 a rack 13:17 < _3DSHROOM> private 13:17 < _3DSHROOM> always up 13:18 < EFudd> oh 13:18 < EFudd> also 13:18 < EFudd> some of those "1000GB" plans have sekret line-items that limit the line-speed to say, oh, 3MBit :) 13:19 < EFudd> or whatever number equals out to ~= 1000GB/month. 13:19 < EFudd> ie, keeps their pricing down on a 95th based colo service. 13:23 -!- rafx [~rafx@adsl-68-75-53-161.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:23 -!- rafx [~rafx@adsl-68-75-50-27.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #linode 13:23 < _3DSHROOM> 400KB a second isn't bad for $70 a month 13:28 < rafx> on debian sarge, is it recommended to do an 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686' before using 2.6 kernel? the image would be discarded but does this improve things related to dependencies & other files? 13:29 < adamg> souldnt make any difference 13:30 < rafx> thanks 13:31 -!- DarkSSJ [~darkssj@82.53.154.54] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:35 -!- sunny [~sunny@pool-68-161-170-230.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: sunny] 13:57 -!- DarkSSJ [~darkssj@82.53.154.54] has joined #linode 14:25 -!- array [~danny@CPE-139-168-150-115.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #linode [] 14:30 -!- rafx [~rafx@adsl-68-75-50-27.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:30 -!- rafx [~rafx@adsl-68-75-50-27.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #linode 14:30 -!- sunny [~sunny@128.238.242.34] has joined #linode 14:41 -!- tizen [tiz@ADent8215.ResNet.Dal.Ca] has joined #linode 14:42 -!- tizen [tiz@ADent8215.ResNet.Dal.Ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:42 -!- tizen [tiz@ADent8215.ResNet.Dal.Ca] has joined #linode 14:43 < tizen> hey, i can't seem to access the site through http. I can through https, but I was wondering if it was a local problem or if others had experienced it? 14:44 < greenlava> yup...looks like a DOS attack 14:44 < tizen> k cool. 14:47 < tizen> I'm just looking at the service. If the system gets stuck in a loop, how do I get a reboot? And how much does it cost? 14:47 < Redgore> reboots of your linode are free, you do them yourself 14:48 < tizen> How? 14:48 < Redgore> you sign into the control panel and press the reboot button 14:48 < tizen> cool. 14:50 < tizen> so, if i sign up with my credit card tonight, what timeframe am I looking at for access to my system 14:51 < Redgore> 24hr's at most, mine got activated within minutes, it all depends on when caker is able to check the sign up's 14:52 < tizen> cool 14:53 -!- sunny [~sunny@128.238.242.34] has quit [Quit: sunny] 14:53 < greenlava> i was activaqted in about 4 hours 14:53 < greenlava> signed up at work after lunch 14:53 < greenlava> was ready when I got home 15:00 -!- tizen [tiz@ADent8215.ResNet.Dal.Ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:02 -!- sunny [~sunny@128.238.242.34] has joined #linode 15:03 < AndyHat> trn 15:03 < AndyHat> Er, wrong window. 15:05 -!- dataw0lf [~dataw0lf@dataw0lf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:06 < adamg> !change 1000 cad to gbp 15:06 < adamg> !currency change 1000 cad to gbp 15:06 < linbot> adamg: (currency [ ...]) -- Command dispatcher for the Currency plugin. Use 'list Currency' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Currency' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's command to use. 15:06 < adamg> !currency convert 1000 cad to gbp 15:06 < linbot> adamg: 1000.0 CAD = 434.2 GBP 15:06 < adamg> thats the one 15:08 -!- dataw0lf [~dataw0lf@dataw0lf.org] has joined #linode 15:24 < EFudd> plz2bfixingwww.linode.com.ktnx. 15:47 < emcnabb> can anyone else get to www.linode.com? 15:48 < npmr> negative 16:03 -!- greenlava [~greenlava@h0006258242e4.ne.client2.attbi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03 < NeonNero> still no dice on reaching www.linode.com 16:03 < rafx> www.linode.com has been acting up this afternoon. responds to pings very quickly but the web server is sloooooow or timing out this afternoon. 16:04 < NeonNero> exactly 16:04 < npmr> another hosting company that i do busines with is also having problems 16:04 < rafx> if you just need to shutdown/reboot, then Lish still works great. if you need to resize drive images, your SOL until the website is responsive 16:04 < npmr> theirs isn't completely unresponsive, but it's so slow right now that it might as well be 16:05 < rafx> so it isn't linode-specific? is there a massive http-attacking worm loose right now? 16:05 < npmr> i don't know if it's just a coincidence or what 16:06 < npmr> traceroute says that they're on opposite coasts 16:09 -!- sunny [~sunny@128.238.242.34] has quit [Quit: sunny] 16:23 -!- david [~dcoulson@tawny.nacs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40 -!- spr [~spr@ramona.cs.byu.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:41 -!- emcnabb [~emcnabb@38.116.3.194] has quit [Quit: IRC: Where men are men, women are men, and little girls are FBI agents] 16:52 -!- harshy [~harshy@dhcp024-208-175-126.columbus.rr.com] has joined #linode 16:59 -!- sunny [~sunny@pool-68-161-170-230.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #linode 17:05 < caker> hello 17:05 < SupaDongzu> mmmm, caaaaake 17:06 < caker> Dad's out of surgery, doing fine :) 17:06 < SupaDongzu> that's wonderful news, although it hits me with the realization that your father was at one point *in* surgery. I must have missed that. 17:08 < adamg> caker good to hear, but you may want to breath some lift into linode.com as well 17:08 < caker> what's the deal? 17:08 < adamg> on and off all day very slow 17:08 < adamg> sometimes cant get on to it 17:09 < adamg> possible dos, apache issue something 17:12 -!- syntaxman [~423a3b2a@linode.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)] 17:12 -!- linode [~3f911122@linode.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)] 17:13 < caker> how about now? 17:13 < adamg> same 17:14 < caker> odd. loading for me now 17:14 -!- claviola [~claviola@claviola.user.oftc.net] has joined #linode 17:15 < adamg> can not find server, or dns isssue 17:15 < adamg> I can ping fine 17:18 < adamg> lynx from linode fails as well 17:19 < EFudd> :1: parser error : Start tag expected, '<' not found 17:19 < EFudd> 500 read timeout 17:19 < EFudd> ^ 17:19 < EFudd> at /home/jason/bin/bw.pl line 60 17:24 < rafx> right now, i get 35ms ping www.linode.com but webserver times out in browser. been like this for at least 4 hours, with brief periods where we can use the site. don't need website right now, just an fyi 17:30 -!- harshy [~harshy@dhcp024-208-175-126.columbus.rr.com] has quit [Quit: I quit for now] 17:32 -!- sunny [~sunny@pool-68-161-170-230.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: sunny] 17:34 -!- nwrk [~522c967d@linode.com] has joined #linode 17:39 * adamg wonders what is up with the site 17:40 < caker> I thiknk it's a port 80 DDoS 17:40 < EFudd> netstat -an ktnx. 17:41 -!- nwrk [~522c967d@linode.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)] 17:41 < adamg> apparently there is another web host whos site is also seeing similar issues 17:42 < caker> 90+ SYN_RECV connections for Linode.com'sIP 17:43 < EFudd> that'd be it then. 17:43 < EFudd> you have syncookies enabled, no? 17:43 < caker> I should .. lemme check 17:43 -!- thoth39 [~hm@200216155170.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #linode 17:46 -!- Redgore [redgore@195.38.75.112] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:47 -!- tierra|w [~tierra@dsl093-225-126.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #linode 17:51 < adamg> caker how long you home for? 17:51 < caker> Not sure 17:52 < caker> I can change my flight w/o any fee (family emergency airfair deal) 17:52 < adamg> nice of them 17:53 < adamg> found out today that flights to the states have hit a nice prie 17:54 < adamg> s/prie/price 17:54 < adamg> well prices to canada are nicer 18:09 * adamg watches a human disection 18:11 < Newsome> adamg: Are they taking volunteers? I know a few "humans" I'd volunteer 18:11 < adamg> no some bloke in his will stipulates that his body was to teach normal people about anatomy thus the program 18:16 < adamg> its kinda creepy 18:27 < ref> erm 18:27 < ref> something wrong with linode.com ? 18:27 < ref> i can't seem to resolve it... 18:27 < ref> www.linode.com that is 18:27 < _3DSHROOM> it's been down for a few hours now 18:28 < ref> oh, sorry... just scrolled up 18:28 < ref> any word on what's up? i see caker knows about it 18:31 < adamg> nice using a meat slicer to slice the brain up 18:35 < jasonf> linode.com is d0wn 18:35 < jasonf> :-/ 18:38 < adamg> nite all 18:46 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12lco19.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #linode 18:49 < mikegrb> g'night mr g 18:50 -!- david [~dcoulson@muffin.davidcoulson.net] has joined #linode 18:54 -!- Newsome [~sorenson@obelix.cs.byu.edu] has left #linode [Leaving] 18:57 -!- shakr [~kenn2@whirl.gellin.dyndns.org] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:58 < linbot> New news from forums: FTP - Not accepting good passwords in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum || My Linode is Slow! in Performance and Tuning || Hunting: Brilliant Firewall builder for debian in Linux Networking || Bind9 Trouble [SOLVED] ** server can't find foobar.com: in Linux Networking || host33 almost down in General Discussion || Feature Requests: Disk Images Sorting & Comment Fields in Feature Request/Bug Report 18:58 < linbot> New news from wiki: Fedora Core 2 || Gentoo || Lish Documentation || LPM || Linode Platform Manager || Main Page || Main Page || Main Page || LinodeWiki:About 19:00 < jasonf> lol, I think linode.com is back up 19:00 < mikegrb> lolz 19:02 -!- shakr [~kenn2@whirl.gellin.dyndns.org] has joined #linode 19:07 < rafx> heh 19:07 < rafx> er? no hehz? 19:07 < mikegrb> it is not improperly overused like lol 19:08 < mikegrb> like I'd bet $5 that jasonf wasn't actually laughing out loud just now 19:08 < rafx> lol 19:08 < mikegrb> lolz 19:08 < rafx> :) 19:10 < jasonf> mikegrb: maybe I'm just a giddy fellow 19:19 -!- dddshroom [~dddshroom@cs24243183-27.hot.rr.com] has joined #linode 19:20 -!- FesterCouples [~ronpoz@ool-18b88fb8.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #linode 19:26 -!- _3DSHROOM [~dddshroom@cs24243183-27.hot.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:27 < FesterCouples> is linode.com down? I couldnt hit it from work or home today 19:28 -!- bendy24 [~slb@bendy.netrep.oftc.net] has joined #linode 19:30 -!- emcnabb [~emcnabb@adsl-215-163-127.aep.bellsouth.net] has joined #linode 19:35 -!- Newsome [~sorenson@byu-gw.customer.csolutions.net] has joined #linode 19:50 -!- tierra|h_ [~tierra@c-67-166-119-150.client.comcast.net] has joined #linode 19:50 -!- tierra|h [tierra@c-67-166-119-150.client.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:09 -!- DarkSSJ [~darkssj@82.53.154.54] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:21 -!- Feynman [~b145821@66.169.136.44.ts46v-07.otnc1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has joined #linode 20:22 < Feynman> boo 20:22 -!- dcoulson_ [~dcoulson@muffin.davidcoulson.net] has joined #linode 20:24 -!- thoth39 [~hm@200216155170.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:29 -!- david [~dcoulson@muffin.davidcoulson.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:30 -!- dcoulson_ is now known as david 20:47 -!- emcnabb [~emcnabb@adsl-215-163-127.aep.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:51 -!- dcoulson_ [~dcoulson@muffin.davidcoulson.net] has joined #linode 20:51 -!- david [~dcoulson@muffin.davidcoulson.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:51 -!- dcoulson_ is now known as david 21:02 -!- rko [~risto@dallas.kotalampi.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:04 -!- tiz [~81adc132@linode.com] has joined #linode 21:09 -!- claviola [~claviola@claviola.user.oftc.net] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 21:09 -!- claviola [claviola@claviola.user.oftc.net] has joined #linode 21:12 -!- tiz [~81adc132@linode.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)] 21:13 -!- claviola [claviola@claviola.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: ] 21:13 -!- claviola [claviola@claviola.user.oftc.net] has joined #linode 21:17 < jasonf> caker: ping 21:18 < caker> jasonf: yup 21:19 < mikegrb> caker: ping 21:19 * mikegrb didn't want to feel left out 21:20 < jasonf> caker: I need to make a billing change, but with the website out/slow, it's not possible 21:20 < jasonf> caker: I just need to make sure that another billing cycle doesn't hit on the current setup 21:24 < jasonf> caker: and my network is hurting too, but I can't access the panel to investigate :-/ 21:28 < jasonf> dam, you can't change kernels from lish either 21:29 < caker> I might have this beat in a few minutes 21:29 < jasonf> caker: should it be effecting my linode at all? 21:29 < caker> jasonf: no 21:32 < jasonf> caker: are you *sure* nothing is up with host40? 21:32 < jasonf> my linode is doing strange, strange things 21:40 < caker> linode.com any beter? 21:40 < EFudd> not realy :) 21:40 * mikegrb waits 21:40 < mikegrb> here neither 21:40 < EFudd> :1: parser error : Start tag expected, '<' not found 21:40 < EFudd> 500 read timeout 21:40 < EFudd> ^ 21:40 < jasonf> caker: still sucks 21:40 < EFudd> at /home/jason/bin/bw.pl line 60 21:40 * mikegrb throttles EFudd's io and gives mikegrb more 21:41 < EFudd> doh! 21:41 * EFudd ordered a motion computing M1400 21:55 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12lco19.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: sunny] 22:04 -!- dddshroom_ [~dddshroom@cs24243183-27.hot.rr.com] has joined #linode 22:10 -!- Jeremy [stormy@jeremy.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [uranium.oftc.net plasma.oftc.net] 22:10 -!- Jeremy [stormy@jeremy.netrep.oftc.net] has joined #linode 22:11 -!- dddshroom [~dddshroom@cs24243183-27.hot.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] 22:12 < ref> still no linode.com :/ 22:12 < caker> working on it 22:13 < ref> thanks :) 22:15 < mikegrb> /me works on caker 22:15 < ref> are you his boyfriend? :) 22:16 < mikegrb> No. 22:16 < mikegrb> but he is sculpted from pure cakre 22:16 < mikegrb> s/kre/ke/ 22:16 < ref> pure cake... mmm 22:17 -!- spr [~spr@c-67-161-219-228.client.comcast.net] has joined #linode 22:17 < mikegrb> indeed! --- Log opened Tue Jan 25 00:09:35 2005 00:09 -!- dddshroom [~dddshroom@cs24243183-27.hot.rr.com] has joined #linode 00:10 -!- linbot [~supybot@ns.theshore.net] has joined #linode 00:10 -!- Shaun [~ndci@ip68-111-70-41.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:17 -!- dddshroom_ [~dddshroom@cs24243183-27.hot.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:46 -!- rafx [~rafx@adsl-68-75-50-27.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:14 -!- spr [~spr@c-67-161-219-228.client.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: spoon!] 01:21 -!- funkycow [~Ap0ll0@loves.girls.who.have.bigtits.and.bigbutts.ca] has joined #linode 01:21 -!- cow [~Ap0ll0@loves.girls.who.have.bigtits.and.bigbutts.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29 -!- tierra|h__ [tierra@c-67-166-119-150.client.comcast.net] has joined #linode 01:33 -!- tierra|h_ [~tierra@c-67-166-119-150.client.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:47 -!- psychoid [~ca92ea04@67.18.92.99] has joined #linode 01:53 -!- psychoid [~ca92ea04@67.18.92.99] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)] 01:54 -!- Newsome [~sorenson@byu-gw.customer.csolutions.net] has left #linode [Leaving] 02:19 -!- tierra|w [~tierra@dsl093-225-126.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Quit: With great promotion causing pseudo-illnesses comes great responsibility.] 02:37 -!- david [~dcoulson@muffin.davidcoulson.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:57 -!- force [~3ed7033d@67.18.92.99] has joined #linode 02:58 -!- force [~3ed7033d@67.18.92.99] has quit [Quit: ] 03:02 -!- Guest17175 [~Kuwait@adsl5-109.qualitynet.net] has joined #linode 03:07 -!- force [Fan@fast.agulf.org] has joined #linode 03:07 < force> Hello 03:07 < force> I need help 03:09 -!- tierra|h__ is now known as tierra|h 03:18 -!- iggy [~iggy@12.45.184.235] has quit [iridium.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net] 03:18 -!- mesozoic [~mesozoic@ool-4357ab7a.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [iridium.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net] 03:18 -!- pdx6 [~ballew@screen.sublinear.net] has quit [iridium.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net] 03:18 -!- AndyHat [~andyhat@user-10lf9uc.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [iridium.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net] 03:18 -!- SupaDongzu [nick@zork.zork.net] has quit [iridium.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net] 03:18 -!- wferrel [~wferrel@typhoon.ferrel.org] has quit [iridium.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net] 03:19 -!- pdx6 [~ballew@screen.sublinear.net] has joined #linode 03:20 -!- SupaDongzu [nick@zork.zork.net] has joined #linode 03:20 -!- mesozoic [~mesozoic@ool-4357ab7a.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #linode 03:20 -!- iggy [~iggy@12.45.184.235] has joined #linode 03:31 -!- psychoid [~ca92ea04@67.18.92.99] has joined #linode 03:31 < psychoid> hello 03:32 < psychoid> i have problem when installing ircd hybrid 03:32 < psychoid> gcc -I../include -I../adns -O2 -g -DNDEBUG -DIRCD_PREFIX=\"/usr/local/ircd\" -c whowas.c 03:32 < psychoid> yacc -d ircd_parser.y 03:32 < psychoid> make[1]: yacc: Command not found 03:32 < psychoid> make[1]: *** [y.tab.c] Error 127 03:32 < psychoid> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/server/ircd-hybrid-ru/src' 03:32 -!- Shaun [~ndci@ip68-111-70-41.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #linode 03:32 < psychoid> make: *** [build] Error 2 03:33 -!- Yus|Crazy [~MomoNemo@DialupMdn234-238.centrin.net.id] has joined #linode 03:33 -!- Yus|Crazy is now known as psychoidz 03:33 < psychoidz> hello 03:33 < psychoidz> i have problem 03:33 < psychoidz> orion.oftc.net 03:33 < psychoidz> gcc -I../include -I../adns -O2 -g -DNDEBUG -DIRCD_PREFIX=\"/usr/local/ircd\" -c whowas.c 03:33 < psychoidz> yacc -d ircd_parser.y 03:33 < psychoidz> make[1]: yacc: Command not found 03:33 < psychoidz> make[1]: *** [y.tab.c] Error 127 03:33 < psychoidz> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/server/ircd-hybrid-ru/src' 03:33 < psychoidz> make: *** [build] Error 2 03:33 < psychoidz> how to fix it> 03:33 < psychoidz> how to fix it? 03:34 < psychoidz> my os is redhat9.0 03:34 < psychoidz> anybody home? 03:37 -!- psychoid [~ca92ea04@67.18.92.99] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC] 03:37 -!- psychoidz is now known as psychoid 03:37 < psychoid> hello 03:40 < psychoid> hello 03:41 -!- Guest17175 [~Kuwait@adsl5-109.qualitynet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:48 -!- psychoid [~MomoNemo@DialupMdn234-238.centrin.net.id] has quit [Quit: ] 04:02 -!- wferrel [~wferrel@typhoon.ferrel.org] has joined #linode 04:12 -!- ossido [~ossido@53.175.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:19 -!- DarkSSJ [~darkssj@82.53.154.54] has joined #linode 04:20 -!- ossido [~ossido@249.166.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #linode 04:40 -!- nwrk [~d9cd7e82@67.18.92.99] has joined #linode 04:41 -!- nwrk [~d9cd7e82@67.18.92.99] has quit [Quit: ] 04:41 -!- nwrk [~d9cd7e82@67.18.92.99] has joined #linode 04:41 -!- nwrk [~d9cd7e82@67.18.92.99] has quit [Quit: ] 04:42 -!- nwrk [~d9cd7e82@67.18.92.99] has joined #linode 04:42 -!- nwrk [~d9cd7e82@67.18.92.99] has quit [Quit: ] 04:52 < adamg> morning all 05:05 -!- adamg [~misthos@i-194-106-39-170.freedom2surf.net] has quit [orion.oftc.net charm.oftc.net] 05:05 -!- npmr [inkblot@goose.movealong.org] has quit [orion.oftc.net charm.oftc.net] 05:05 -!- scanline [~micah@128.138.207.240] has quit [orion.oftc.net charm.oftc.net] 05:08 -!- scanline [~micah@navi.cs.colorado.edu] has joined #linode 05:13 -!- AndyHat [~andyhat@user-10lf9uc.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #linode 05:13 -!- npmr [inkblot@goose.movealong.org] has joined #linode 05:14 < npmr> linbot, roulette 05:14 < linbot> npmr: *click* 05:58 -!- dddshroom_ [~dddshroom@cs24243183-27.hot.rr.com] has joined #linode 06:01 -!- force [Fan@fast.agulf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:06 -!- dddshroom [~dddshroom@cs24243183-27.hot.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:11 -!- hierr [~d9cd7e82@67.18.92.99] has joined #linode 06:11 < hierr> hi 06:12 -!- hierr [~d9cd7e82@67.18.92.99] has quit [Quit: ] 06:18 -!- Nostromo [~Unknown@bzq-82-81-1-250.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #linode 06:31 < linbot> New news from forums: Activation in Sales Questions and Answers || Activation in Sales Questions and Answers || Activation in Sales Questions and Answers 06:33 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12lco19.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #linode 06:39 -!- claviola [claviola@claviola.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:41 < Nostromo> Caker, are you around? 06:42 < Nostromo> jasonf - i've registered for linode :) 07:01 -!- mode/#linode [+o linbot] by mikegrb 07:36 -!- spr [~spr@c-67-161-219-228.client.comcast.net] has joined #linode 07:44 -!- spr [~spr@c-67-161-219-228.client.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: spoon!] 07:45 -!- emcnabb [~emcnabb@38.116.3.194] has joined #linode 08:03 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12lco19.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: sunny] 08:26 -!- wujia [~d9cd7e82@67.18.92.99] has joined #linode 08:26 -!- wujia [~d9cd7e82@67.18.92.99] has quit [Quit: ] 08:33 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12lco19.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #linode 08:48 -!- TehDan [~dan@flexo.area-52.org.uk] has quit [Quit: BitchX: try our Windows 95/98 and Windows NT 4 flavors too!] 08:57 -!- TehDan [~dan@flexo.area-52.org.uk] has joined #linode 09:00 -!- TehDan [~dan@flexo.area-52.org.uk] has quit [Quit: BitchX: a modern client for a old world] 09:03 -!- david [~dcoulson@tawny.nacs.net] has joined #linode 09:06 -!- TehDan [~dan@flexo.area-52.org.uk] has joined #linode 09:06 -!- Feynman [~b145821@66.169.136.44.ts46v-07.otnc1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has left #linode [] 09:10 -!- Newsome [~sorenson@byu-gw.customer.csolutions.net] has joined #linode 09:24 -!- Newsome [~sorenson@byu-gw.customer.csolutions.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:34 -!- mYsTiC [~519d1161@67.18.92.99] has joined #linode 09:34 -!- mYsTiC [~519d1161@67.18.92.99] has quit [Quit: ] 09:35 -!- mystic [mystic@host81-157-17-97.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #linode 09:40 < mystic> how long did most peoples accounts take 2 setup? 09:40 < mystic> if theres ne 1 here!! 09:42 -!- Redgore [redgore@195-38-74-61.dial.accentuk.com] has joined #linode 10:05 < TehDan> I think caker is out of office, so things might take a little longer than usual.... mine was about 24 hrs tho 10:05 < TehDan> also bear in mind he's quite a few hours behind you in the UK.... 10:06 < TehDan> !seen caker 10:06 < linbot> TehDan: caker was last seen here 2 weeks, 0 days, 14 hours, 30 minutes, and 4 seconds ago saying: the village called, they want their idiot back 10:07 < sunny> !weather 10001 10:07 < linbot> sunny: The current temperature in New York, New York is 28°F (9:51 AM EST on January 25, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 16°F. Pressure: 29.89 in (1012 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 2 out of 12 10:07 < TehDan> err... i wouldn't believe that tho, I saw him here yesterday! 10:10 < mystic> kool thanks for the help! 10:12 < Nostromo> oh brother. 10:13 < Nostromo> i think i saw 3 different people coming into this channel asking for registration help. not one of them spelled "cool" correctly, or even like the others. 10:14 < mystic> erm i can spell kool how ever i want 10:14 < mystic> i can even spell it kewl 10:16 < linbot> New news from forums: How long until activation? in Sales Questions and Answers || How long until activation? in Sales Questions and Answers || How long until activation? in Sales Questions and Answers 10:23 -!- jaxn [~c76b9e24@67.18.92.99] has joined #linode 10:24 < jaxn> is something going on with one of the boxes? 10:31 -!- jaxn [~c76b9e24@67.18.92.99] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)] 10:41 -!- Newsome [~sorenson@obelix.cs.byu.edu] has joined #linode 10:45 -!- DarkSSJ [~darkssj@82.53.154.54] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:58 -!- nick|work [~nick@m125-138.on.tac.net] has joined #linode 10:58 < nick|work> hey guys 10:58 -!- nick|work is now known as nickfuyry 10:58 -!- nickfuyry is now known as nickfury 10:58 < dddshroom_> hey 11:00 < nickfury> what's the good word 11:02 < dddshroom_> the bad word is io_tokens 11:02 < nickfury> hehe 11:02 < nickfury> u familiar in debian bro? 11:03 < dddshroom_> I used it a long time ago, I use gentoo now 11:03 < nickfury> well 11:03 < nickfury> i am having alittle problem 11:03 < nickfury> i don't even thgink it's really what distro i am using personally 11:03 < nickfury> but i have a domain name attached to my server. 11:03 < nickfury> one sepecifically that does not seem to allow to recieve emails other than from people local to the server 11:03 < nickfury> all my other email address work 11:03 < nickfury> but it seems these can't get external emails from others. 11:04 < nickfury> i was jsut wodner if i overlooked something 11:04 < TehDan> try dpkg-reconfigure exim 11:04 < nickfury> i don't use exim 11:04 < TehDan> or dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config if you're using sarge 11:04 < TehDan> ah. what do you use? 11:04 < nickfury> i'm using a postfix, dracd config 11:04 < nickfury> maybe i should be using exim though 11:04 < nickfury> but . 11:05 < nickfury> otherwise, this is what i am set with now 11:05 < TehDan> postfix should be fine, that's what I use. 11:05 < TehDan> does the myhostname in your main.cf resolve to your linode IP? 11:06 < TehDan> better 1st question: is port 25 open? 11:07 < TehDan> and does your mydestination include the domain you want delivered locally? 11:07 < nickfury> hrrm, 11:07 < nickfury> good points 11:07 < nickfury> let me check some shit out and get back to you o that 11:08 < nickfury> i think your right though 11:08 < nickfury> that domain might not resolve 11:08 < nickfury> acutally 11:08 < nickfury> could you test? 11:08 < nickfury> send to adrian@cyanstudios.ca 11:08 < TehDan> also: you should disabled dracd until local delivery is working 11:08 < nickfury> tell me if yo uget a bounce back 11:08 < TehDan> happy to 11:08 < TehDan> what's your domain? 11:08 < nickfury> eh? 11:08 < TehDan> you said you were using dracd? 11:08 < nickfury> yes sir 11:09 < TehDan> you only need that if you want external users to send mail to other external users via your server 11:09 < nickfury> yes 11:09 < nickfury> i got that working fine 11:09 < nickfury> it checks, adds my ip to the list for 30 minutes 11:09 < nickfury> so i can relay 11:09 < nickfury> so it's nothing to do with dracd then 11:09 < TehDan> okay, well i haven't used it so I can't gaurantee that... 11:09 < nickfury> umm i havent' touched my postfix config in a while, where isi t located again 11:10 < nickfury> the main.cf 11:10 < nickfury> i've forgotten 11:10 < TehDan> what is your domain? have you set up an mx record? 11:10 < nickfury> yes... 11:10 < nickfury> i got that all working fine 11:10 < nickfury> cyanstudios.ca doesn resovle to my box 11:10 < TehDan> etc/postfix/main.cf 11:10 < nickfury> ahh thanks 11:10 < nickfury> ok well 11:10 < nickfury> straight off the bat 11:10 < nickfury> i need to add domains to the mydomain = line right 11:10 < nickfury> for those domains to properly get email? 11:11 < TehDan> ah look, your on the same host as me. 11:11 < nickfury> 200? 11:11 < nickfury> nice. neighbours :P 11:11 < nickfury> ok well 11:11 < nickfury> myhostname = cyanstudios 11:11 < nickfury> mydomain = adrianstiegler.com 11:11 < nickfury> is my myhostname and mydomain line 11:11 < nickfury> do i need to add cyanstudios.ca to the mydomain ? 11:12 < nickfury> as in. adding a domain every time to this line ? 11:12 < TehDan> yeah - postfix will accept mail for any valid user (or alias) at any mydestination 11:12 < TehDan> you need myhostname to be cyanstudios.ca 11:12 < nickfury> but 11:12 < nickfury> will that mean that adrianstiegler.com won't work then ? 11:13 < TehDan> no, you need to add that to mydestination 11:13 < nickfury> hrrm 11:13 < nickfury> my mydestination line 11:13 < nickfury> mydestination = $myhostname localhost.$mydomain localhost $mydomain 11:13 < nickfury> as so 11:13 < TehDan> okay just stick adrianstiegler.com on the end of that 11:13 < nickfury> but what about cyanstudios.ca 11:13 < nickfury> that replaces the mydomain ? 11:14 < TehDan> myhostname = cyanstudios.ca will take care of that 11:14 < TehDan> you can set mydomain as that too 11:14 < nickfury> but what will taking away the adrianstiegler.com do? 11:14 < nickfury> so your telling me i should change myhostname from 'cyanstudios' to 'cyanstudios.ca' 11:14 < TehDan> your myhostname needs to be inside mydomain, you can't use different domains for both 11:14 < nickfury> and mydomain to 'cyanstudios.ca' as well 11:15 < TehDan> yes 11:15 < nickfury> and 11:15 < nickfury> add any domains i want as well 11:15 < TehDan> and put your other domain on mydestination 11:15 < nickfury> to the end of mydestination 11:15 < TehDan> yep 11:15 < nickfury> but.. what if i have alot of other domains 11:15 < nickfury> i need to add those aas well 11:15 < nickfury> for them to receieve the mail correctly 11:15 < nickfury> ? 11:16 < TehDan> yes, otherwise postfix will either refuse to relay them or throw them back because it doesn't know where to pass them onto 11:16 < nickfury> i see is ee 11:17 < nickfury> ok 11:17 < nickfury> main.cf saved 11:17 < nickfury> i'm guesing a postfix restart is in order 11:17 < TehDan> that'll do it 11:17 < nickfury> err reload 11:17 < nickfury> ok reloaded. 11:17 < TehDan> okay, do "postfix check" 11:17 < TehDan> itll tell you if there's anything wrong with the config files 11:17 < nickfury> hrrm 11:17 < nickfury> postfix/postfix-script: warning: /var/spool/postfix/etc/hosts and /etc/hosts differ 11:18 < TehDan> whats in your /etc/hosts 11:18 < nickfury> #127.0.0.1 cyanstudios.ca sandbox 11:18 < nickfury> 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain 11:18 < nickfury> 65.19.178.200 cyanstudios.adrianstiegler.com cyanstudios 11:18 < nickfury> 65.19.178.200 cyanstudios.cyanstudios.ca cyanstudios 11:18 < nickfury> someting doens't seem right here 11:18 < nickfury> my /etc/hostname 11:18 < nickfury> is "cyanstudios' 11:18 < TehDan> ah, that needs to be cyanstudios.ca really 11:19 < nickfury> not cyanstudios.cyanbstuduios.ca? right 11:19 < nickfury> or the hostname 11:19 < TehDan> Yes: that would make more sense.... 11:19 < nickfury> as long as the hostname matches in the hosts file 11:19 < nickfury> it sholdn't matter. 11:19 < nickfury> it's just a name 11:19 < TehDan> yeah, and in fact you'll probably need to set myhostname to cyanstudios.cyanstudios.ca as well 11:20 < TehDan> (in main.cf) 11:20 < nickfury> i don't understand 11:20 < nickfury> why all these changes 11:20 < nickfury> it's just cyanstidios that is triping 11:20 < TehDan> well /etc/hostname probably isn't critical, but I suspect postfix will be upset if I can't resolve myhostname via /etc/hosts 11:21 < nickfury> well 11:21 < nickfury> the /var/spool/postfix/etc/hosts file 11:21 < nickfury> reads as 11:21 < nickfury> #127.0.0.1 cyanstudios.ca sandbox 11:21 < nickfury> 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain 11:21 < nickfury> 65.19.178.200 cyanstudios.adrianstiegler.com cyanstudios 11:21 < nickfury> i ahve a feeling 11:21 < nickfury> if i just add that extra line 11:21 < nickfury> to the bottom 11:21 < nickfury> i'm good 11:21 < TehDan> worth a try.... 11:21 < nickfury> i added that line 11:21 < nickfury> and did a postfix check 11:21 < nickfury> no problems now 11:22 < nickfury> can you send an email to adrian@cyanstudios.ca 11:23 < nickfury> i've forgotten why i put a cyanstudios. before each domain 11:23 < nickfury> in my hosts file 11:23 < nickfury> is there a reason for hta 11:23 < TehDan> its in your queue as 4F05462563 11:23 < TehDan> (type mailq) 11:24 < nickfury> test message from TehDan... 11:24 < nickfury> so i guess it went through 11:24 < TehDan> excellent. 11:24 < nickfury> something is wierd 11:24 < nickfury> sec 11:24 < nickfury> ok 11:24 < nickfury> can you do one more test/ 11:24 < nickfury> for me? 11:24 < TehDan> I relayed it to your machine manually, so the headers might look odd. 11:25 < nickfury> send to dave@cyanstudios.ac 11:25 < nickfury> ac =ca 11:25 < nickfury> same idea. 11:25 < TehDan> sure 11:25 < nickfury> just want to check his mail 11:25 < nickfury> because he wasnt' getting mail from external users 11:25 < TehDan> 250 Ok: queued as AA5DD62563 11:25 -!- mystic [mystic@host81-157-17-97.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25 -!- mystic [mystic@host81-157-17-97.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #linode 11:26 < nickfury> nice 11:26 < nickfury> i have mail :P 11:26 < TehDan> grat. 11:26 < nickfury> Test (2) 11:26 < nickfury> great. 11:26 < nickfury> that works then 11:26 < TehDan> "great".... 11:26 < nickfury> i guess it was the hosts 11:26 < nickfury> i mean 11:26 < nickfury> the /var/spool/postfix/etc/hosets file 11:26 < nickfury> seems to differ.. so i guess making the change did that 11:27 < npmr> why are you changing /etc/hosts? 11:27 < TehDan> odd. there's probably a command to update that, I had the something similar when I manually edited /etc/aliasis the other day 11:27 < npmr> i thought we had that all worked out a month ago? 11:27 * TehDan knows nothing of this month ago of which you speak 11:28 < npmr> TehDan, i know 11:30 < TehDan> I think the hosts were okay, it was just conflicting with info in /etc/postfix/main.cf 11:32 < nickfury> npmr 11:32 < nickfury> i had to correct the hosts file to be the same as the hosts file used in the spool 11:32 < nickfury> that's all 11:37 < ref> yay... linode.com works again :) 11:38 -!- DarkSSJ [~darkssj@82.53.154.54] has joined #linode 11:41 < npmr> nickfury, why were they different in the first place? 11:41 < nickfury> no idea 11:41 < nickfury> i must have added the domain cyanstudios.ca to my /etc/hosts file 11:41 < nickfury> and .. not knowing that a copy is made i guess 11:41 < nickfury> for postfix 11:41 < nickfury> i thought.. it was just that file i had to worry about it 11:41 < npmr> why did you add anything at all to your hosts file? 11:41 < nickfury> well 11:41 < SupaDongzu> oh hi nickfury 11:42 < SupaDongzu> haven't seen you in a while 11:42 < nickfury> i thought i had to add domains that were pointing to my server to the hosts 11:42 < nickfury> SupaDongzu ya man .. how are ya 11:42 < npmr> man, if annie or shelley make my sandwich, everything is fine 11:42 < SupaDongzu> I normally spot you in an instant, on account of I have "nick" listed as a highlight word (being my first name) 11:42 < npmr> but as soon as someone else in the shop makes it, 11:42 < npmr> it's got onion or tomato or something on it 11:43 < nickfury> npmr i remember both of us , and SupaDongzu talking about hostnames and all this hsots shit a while ago, when i we fixed my postfix config 11:43 < SupaDongzu> yeah 11:43 < nickfury> so i'm guessing adding domains to the hosts file 11:43 < nickfury> isn't correct. 11:43 < npmr> yeah, exactly 11:43 < npmr> and we had that stuff _settled_ 11:43 < nickfury> well 11:44 < nickfury> that was before cyanstudios.ca worked o my server 11:44 < nickfury> but ideally what you are saying 11:44 < nickfury> is i don't need those cyanstudios.ca entries 11:44 < nickfury> in my etc hosts file 11:44 < SupaDongzu> yes 11:44 < SupaDongzu> what you need is DNS pointing to you 11:44 < npmr> if you want to add virtual domains, or aliases 11:44 < SupaDongzu> then your box will figure it out just like everyone else 11:45 < npmr> those are part of your servers configs 11:45 < npmr> e.g. /etc/postfix/main.cf 11:45 < nickfury> right 11:45 < nickfury> so ideally i just want my hostname and it's base in the hosts file 11:45 < nickfury> everything else, just.. get's delivered to the users mailbox 11:46 < SupaDongzu> you want to list the hostnames in the "we accept mail for this host" setting 11:46 < SupaDongzu> not in /etc/hosts 11:46 < SupaDongzu> think of /etc/hosts as an old vestigial pre-dns hack 11:46 < nickfury> right right 11:46 < SupaDongzu> you used to have to download a new one from the internic every week 11:46 < nickfury> so.. the domains i will allow mail to pass through, are always always always set in the main.cf correct? 11:47 < SupaDongzu> because new hosts were joining the ARPAnet every month, and names were changing 11:48 < SupaDongzu> how do you mean "pass through"? 11:48 < SupaDongzu> do you mean relay? 11:48 < SupaDongzu> or deliver? 11:48 -!- Nostromo [~Unknown@bzq-82-81-1-250.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:48 < nickfury> both 11:48 < nickfury> deliver 11:48 < nickfury> that was my.. problem before 11:49 < nickfury> it wasn't allowing any cyanstudios.ca emails through 11:49 < nickfury> just bouncing htem back 11:49 < nickfury> they work now, but it seemed to start working when i made sure the two hosts file were the same 11:49 < nickfury> ut 11:49 < nickfury> i think its just working because 11:50 < nickfury> it seems to be. "hardcoded" into the hosts file 11:50 -!- Nostromo [~Unknown@bzq-82-81-171-165.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #linode 11:52 < SupaDongzu> okay 11:52 < SupaDongzu> wel 11:52 < SupaDongzu> part of the problem last time 11:52 < SupaDongzu> is that your hosts file was trumping DNS with bogus data 11:53 < SupaDongzu> so once you stopped putting nonsense into /etc/hosts, things started working properly 11:53 < SupaDongzu> the issue wasn't that you put something useful in, but that you took out something destructive 11:53 < SupaDongzu> so 11:54 < SupaDongzu> just get a backup copy of /etc/hosts and fix it again 11:55 < SupaDongzu> or dike out the bogus lines you added 11:56 < nickfury> ok well 11:56 < nickfury> allow me to show you something 11:56 < nickfury> i remember when you, me and npmr sat down 11:56 < nickfury> and worked out my postfix shit.. 11:56 < nickfury> this was for adrianstiegler.com the domain 11:56 < nickfury> well.. since my server isn't based around my adrianstiegler.com domain anymore 11:56 < nickfury> and is based on cyanstudios.ca 11:56 < nickfury> i probably should do the required changes to bring that up to date 11:56 < nickfury> main.cf seems to be fine 11:57 < nickfury> i guess it's really just my hosts file 11:57 < nickfury> let me paste it so yo ucan see what i mean 11:57 < nickfury> #127.0.0.1 cyanstudios.ca sandbox 11:57 < nickfury> 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain 11:57 < nickfury> 65.19.178.200 cyanstudios.adrianstiegler.com cyanstudios 11:57 < nickfury> 65.19.178.200 cyanstudios.cyanstudios.ca cyanstudios 11:57 < nickfury> so.. that's basically what it is now .. 11:57 < nickfury> the first line being the line we got rid of last time 11:57 < nickfury> my etc/hostname is 'cyanstudios' 11:58 < nickfury> so those two lines are fine, the last one, probably not nessecary anymore right 11:59 < npmr> adrianstiegler.com vs. cyanstudios.ca 11:59 < npmr> pick one 11:59 < nickfury> cyanstudios.ca 11:59 < nickfury> is the main now 11:59 < nickfury> cyan being the server name now 12:00 < npmr> your mail server can host as many domains as you want, but the system can only live in *one* 12:00 < nickfury> i see 12:00 < nickfury> do i need the cyanstudios.cyanstudios.ca 12:00 < nickfury> or can i just have cyanstudios.ca cyanstudios 12:00 < npmr> you said cyan 12:00 < nickfury> wel 12:00 < nickfury> yea i know 12:00 < npmr> that would make it cyan.cyanstudios.ca 12:00 < nickfury> but the hostname 12:00 < nickfury> is cyanstudios 12:01 < nickfury> i don't see why having cyan. in front of it does anything tough 12:01 < nickfury> err though 12:01 < npmr> so? 12:01 < nickfury> so.. can you explain? 12:02 < nickfury> oh i see 12:02 < npmr> if your hostname is cyanstudios 12:02 < nickfury> you need the hostname 12:02 < nickfury> i thought the right edge of that line toko care of that 12:02 < nickfury> the 'cyanstudios' part 12:02 < npmr> and your fully-qualified hostname is cyanstudios.ca 12:02 < npmr> than that means "ca" is your domain 12:02 < npmr> i think you want cyanstudios.ca to be your domain 12:02 < nickfury> yea 12:03 < nickfury> but the hosts file doens't seem to be in any trouble right now anyway 12:03 < nickfury> things are working as is 12:03 < npmr> ok 12:03 < npmr> what does "hostname" say? 12:03 < nickfury> the file /etc/hostname 12:03 < nickfury> reads as 'cyanstudios' 12:03 < npmr> run the command "hostname" 12:04 < npmr> paste the output 12:04 < nickfury> same 12:04 < npmr> and "hostname -f"? 12:04 < nickfury> cyanstudios.adrianstiegler.com 12:04 -!- adamg [~83fb31dd@li8-222.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 12:04 < nickfury> thay should probably be flushed out now 12:05 < nickfury> since the hosts file reads with just the localhost and now cyanstudios.cyanstudios.ca 12:05 < nickfury> how do i get rid of the .adrainstiegler.com extension now again/ 12:05 < npmr> "domain" 12:05 < npmr> "extensions" are for filenames 12:05 < nickfury> sorry. 12:06 < npmr> is it is your /etc/hosts? 12:06 < nickfury> 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain 12:06 < nickfury> #65.19.178.200 cyanstudios.adrianstiegler.com cyanstudios 12:06 < nickfury> 65.19.178.200 cyanstudios.cyanstudios.ca cyanstudios 12:06 < npmr> ok 12:06 < nickfury> i commented out the adrianstiegler.com oen 12:06 < npmr> does "hostname -f" say cyanstudios.cyanstudios.ca now? 12:06 < nickfury> yea 12:06 < nickfury> it does 12:06 < nickfury> i gues that's all i had to d o 12:06 < npmr> ok 12:07 < npmr> generally, yes 12:07 < nickfury> cool 12:07 < npmr> but if you are running the name service caching daemon (nscd), you may have to restart it 12:07 < nickfury> ya.. i just fell behind to make that change 12:07 < npmr> most people don't though 12:07 < nickfury> ya. i'm good i think 12:10 < nickfury> hrrrm 12:11 < nickfury> seems cyanstudios.ca email isn't; coming. 12:11 < nickfury> sec 12:11 < nickfury> acutally 12:11 < nickfury> my adrianstiegler.com mail isn't working now 12:11 < nickfury> so something is wierd. 12:11 < nickfury> postfix/postfix-script: warning: /var/spool/postfix/etc/hosts and /etc/hosts differ 12:11 < nickfury> ohh 12:11 < nickfury> same error 12:12 < nickfury> i just have to change my /var/spool one i think now 12:13 < nickfury> ya.. something is wierd now . 12:13 < nickfury> adrianstiegler.com mail now will not come through 12:13 < nickfury> Final-Recipient: rfc822;adrian@adrianstiegler.com 12:13 < nickfury> Action: failed 12:13 < nickfury> Status: 5.0.0 12:13 < nickfury> Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550 : User unknown 12:29 < caker> linbot: weather 19104 12:29 < linbot> caker: The current temperature in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania is 32°F (11:54 AM EST on January 25, 2005). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 19°F. Wind: WNW at 12 mph (18 km/h). Pressure: 29.94 in (1014 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 2 out of 12 12:33 -!- TehDan [~dan@flexo.area-52.org.uk] has quit [Quit: [BX] Hrm... I wonder if I paid this month's electr...EOF From client] 12:36 < tsi> i didn't know infobot could take zipcodes 12:36 < linbot> New news from forums: Hunting: Brilliant Firewall builder for debian in Linux Networking || FTP - Not accepting good passwords in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum || My Linode is Slow! in Performance and Tuning || Bind9 Trouble [SOLVED] ** server can't find foobar.com: in Linux Networking || host33 almost down in General Discussion || Feature Requests: Disk Images Sorting & Comment Fields in Feature Request/Bug Report 12:36 < tsi> that sure beats knowing weather station codes 12:38 < tsi> i haven't even read the bind9 post and i like it already. more people should write about the solutions they find instead of just leaving it hanging 12:38 * tsi guilty 12:42 < adamg> caker hows things going? 12:46 < npmr> tsi, it's not infobot 12:49 < fo0bar> http://macmini.purestatic.com <-- screw linode, I'm colocating a mac mini! 12:52 < nickfury> hehge 12:52 < nickfury> it is interesting 12:55 < nickfury> although 12:55 < nickfury> a minimac 12:55 < nickfury> running 24/7? 12:55 < nickfury> not very.... trusting 12:55 < nickfury> especially at that size 12:55 < nickfury> wer're talking laptop drives 12:57 < fo0bar> ... I've been using the same 60GB laptop drive since 2001 (it cost a mint back then), nearly 24/7, across 2 laptop replacements, without a problem 12:58 < fo0bar> and the mac would be mostly stationary 12:58 < nickfury> LOFL!!!!!! 12:58 < nickfury> http://www.compfused.com/directlink/593/ 12:58 < fo0bar> 2.5" drives are slower, but I would say a LOT more reliable than standard ATA 12:59 < nickfury> meh. 12:59 < nickfury> i'm not sure about that 12:59 < nickfury> the whole .. 24/7 minimac thing 12:59 < nickfury> i'll pick a normal box anyday.. to be honest 13:00 < fo0bar> I probably would too, but I wouldn't completely reject this idea 13:00 < nickfury> bah. 13:01 < nickfury> i'm perfer to work on a mac for my artwork etc etc 13:01 < nickfury> i'll leave servers up to the professionals :) 13:02 -!- spr [~spr@c-67-161-219-228.client.comcast.net] has joined #linode 13:03 < tsi> 2.5 has a way higher mtbf, and your anecdotal evidence probably isn't under the same workload that a server would be under -- even a lightly loaded server 13:03 -!- spr [~spr@c-67-161-219-228.client.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04 < nickfury> a mini mac running at 1.4 ghz 13:04 < nickfury> would be equal to what in Intel ? 13:05 < ref> pentium 200Mhz 13:05 < nickfury> hrrm 13:05 < tsi> i'd also say "how retarded, it only has one power supply" but then again the xserve also suffers this design flaw 13:05 < nickfury> so really.. it doesn't even compare still 13:05 < nickfury> tsi 13:05 < nickfury> when were apple computers EVER about options? 13:06 < tsi> hey, I love apple and even have 10 xserve raids 13:06 < ref> you have color options :P 13:06 < nickfury> laff 13:06 < nickfury> exactly. 13:06 < nickfury> so' we're talking ... simplified solutions 13:06 < nickfury> that's it 13:06 < ref> lime or blue or red? take your pick! 13:06 < nickfury> they go with your OS too.. the nice big three colorful balls ) 13:06 < nickfury> haha 13:06 < ref> i think the lime is a better computer than the red! 13:06 < ref> but that's just me... 13:07 < nickfury> i think people need to stop buying apple's becaue of looks and go look at some SICK ass sony workstations 13:07 * npmr has an account on a lime imac running debian 13:07 < tsi> the cpu power/storage/memory density is just so low on a rack of minimacs that it boggles the mind 13:07 < nickfury> those are.. worth every penny 13:07 < fo0bar> nickfury: NEVER use that word around here 13:07 < nickfury> laff. 13:07 < nickfury> sony :) 13:07 < tsi> eww sony 13:07 < nickfury> what's worng with sony 13:07 < tsi> the brokenest breaking breaker that ever broke 13:07 < nickfury> laff. 13:08 < nickfury> as they lead the processor race right 13:08 < nickfury> haha 13:08 < fo0bar> what tsi said 13:08 < npmr> i have a very nice sony it-b3 13:08 < nickfury> stop hating 13:08 < npmr> everyone should have the pleasure of using one 13:08 < fo0bar> and they charge an arm and a leg for everything, even more so than apple 13:08 < tsi> their consumer electronics division is great, their computer people should be lined up and shot 13:08 < nickfury> again 13:08 < nickfury> Sony leads in the tech race 13:08 < nickfury> so what arey ou complaining about? 13:08 < fo0bar> what? 13:08 < nickfury> what? 13:08 < tsi> sony leads what in the what? 13:09 < npmr> nickfury, we're more interested in the technology than the business 13:09 < tsi> HUGALUGHALUGHALUGH 13:09 < npmr> nickfury, frankly, i don't give a rat's ass who's "leading" 13:09 < nickfury> u guys .... need to simma down :) 13:09 < npmr> but on that note 13:09 < nickfury> ur getting your underwear all in a knot over comptuers :) 13:09 < npmr> SONY IT-B3 13:09 < npmr> BEST IN CLASS 13:09 * nickfury searches 13:09 < fo0bar> vaio battery $300, vaio power supply $150, vaio battery cover (1"x2" piece of plastic) $65 13:10 < fo0bar> I LOVE SONY! 13:10 < nickfury> i wanna get a ZenMicro 13:10 < nickfury> i think those are pretty well developed 13:10 < ref> $65 for plastic? is it hand-made? 13:10 < tsi> that's typical laptop battery price 13:10 < npmr> nickfury, do a google image search 13:10 < nickfury> it's a phone ? 13:10 < npmr> yes it is 13:11 < npmr> and it is a very nice, very simple phone 13:11 < npmr> like i said 13:11 < npmr> Best in class. 13:11 < fo0bar> okay... so their phones(?) are nice, but their computer products are crap 13:12 < npmr> http://closetofdoom.com/view-from-above.jpg <-- my sony it-b3, in the old closet of doom 13:12 < nickfury> and.. alienware? 13:13 < npmr> and it's cheap 13:13 < nickfury> http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=EhMbKRaPQG0bKFd5njYRIlmDgO7UQ3zLM1c=?CategoryName=cpu_VAIODesktopComputers_VSeries&Dept=cpu_VAIODesktopComputers 13:13 < nickfury> wow.. nice sony monitor 13:13 < nickfury> wish it was just a monitor though 13:15 < pdx6> their video game systems are pretty nice 13:16 < ref> i can't believe you have http://closetofdoom.com just for THAT 13:16 < npmr> ha ha 13:17 < tsi> then i guess you shouldn't visit my lame-o single page domains 13:17 < ref> ow high is high-speed-uplink? :P 13:18 < nickfury> sony's ps3 should be interesting .. for sure 13:18 < ref> tsi: he doesn't even have a page! just apache generated dirlist 13:18 < tsi> mmmm +Indexes 13:18 < ref> *how high 13:19 < npmr> http://goose.movealong.org/mrtg/goose.inet.html <-- ref 13:20 < tsi> does out-of-the-box linksys firmware support snmp? 13:20 < tsi> or is that something you need sveasoft for? 13:20 < ref> oh... adsl 13:20 * ref soon to be on Comcast's 6Mbit/768kbit cable 13:20 < tsi> i like that four hour porn movie download at 6pm 13:21 < npmr> ha ha 13:21 < tsi> errr i mean "database backup" 13:21 < tsi> wink wink nudge nudge 13:21 < ref> i think you mean "gay porn" 13:22 < tsi> HUALUGHAULUGHALUGH 13:22 * ref goes back to work... 13:24 -!- adamg [~83fb31dd@li8-222.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: http://thegrebs.com/oftc/ (EOF)] 13:25 < Nostromo> init 6 is not enough to reboot a linode? i have to use the linode console? 13:32 < tsi> status: WORKSFORME 13:32 < tsi> NOTABUG 13:33 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12lco19.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: sunny] 13:35 < npmr> i hate to disappoint you guys, but...... 13:35 < npmr> 0 18 * * * root /usr/local/sbin/rsync-debian-mirror 13:35 < npmr> http://debian.movealong.org/debian/ 13:40 -!- spr [~spr@ramona.cs.byu.edu] has joined #linode 13:46 < Nostromo> why would that disappoint us? 13:47 < npmr> not you 13:47 -!- david [~dcoulson@tawny.nacs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:47 < Nostromo> ok, why would it disappoint in general? 13:48 < npmr> please refer to the backscroll 13:48 < npmr> approximately fifteen to twenty-five lines back 13:51 < Nostromo> i saw those. i assume you mean the significant daily rsync'ing? 13:52 < npmr> correct 13:53 < npmr> based on the bandwidth graphs people were speculating about pr0n 13:53 < SupaDongzu> hmmm 13:53 < Nostromo> rsyncing pr0n. 13:53 < Nostromo> hmmmmmk 13:53 < Nostromo> kidding. 13:54 < Nostromo> well, i find it hard to decide which is better. pr0n or debian mirrors. 13:54 < Nostromo> that's just sick. 13:54 < npmr> i can tell you which i more useful 13:54 < Nostromo> hmm, i think i'll leave that one unanswered, if you don't mind. 13:55 -!- ref [~user@c-69-180-22-195.atl.client2.attbi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55 -!- ref [~user@c-69-180-22-195.atl.client2.attbi.com] has joined #linode 13:59 -!- TehDan [~dan@flexo.area-52.org.uk] has joined #linode 14:03 < SupaDongzu> So I'm curious 14:04 < SupaDongzu> or rather 14:04 < SupaDongzu> I wonder if it wouldn't be wise to coordinate the various gentoo and debian mirrors 14:04 < SupaDongzu> like 14:04 < SupaDongzu> if it turns out that two people are mirroring debian 14:04 -!- rafx [~rafx@adsl-68-75-178-52.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #linode 14:04 < SupaDongzu> surely one could mirror from the otehr 14:04 < SupaDongzu> if they're in the same datacenter 14:17 < tsi> do you trust fellow linode customers? 14:18 < SupaDongzu> well that's why you centralize 14:19 < SupaDongzu> if there are six debian mirrors on here 14:19 < SupaDongzu> it may be worth it for caker to host one 14:19 < rafx> i trust SupaDongzu. well, with tech advice anyways 14:19 < SupaDongzu> :D 14:21 < npmr> SupaDongzu, there have been various attempts to convice caker to host relevant mirrors 14:21 < rafx> there'd have to be digital signatures or more low-tech sha1 hashes hosted on trusted sites available for automated comparison 14:21 < npmr> SupaDongzu, i don't know what the last known status of the campaign was 14:21 < npmr> also, my mirror is at home 14:21 < SupaDongzu> npmr: it's probably just another admin headache for him 14:22 < rafx> if caker mirrors debian packages at the same datacenter, my bandwidth usage would be reduced. yum 14:22 -!- ref_ [~user@c-69-180-22-195.atl.client2.attbi.com] has joined #linode 14:22 < npmr> i think the real obstacle was that providing local archives for all nine or eleven or however many distros he provides images for is just way too much space 14:22 -!- ref [~user@c-69-180-22-195.atl.client2.attbi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:24 -!- mystic [mystic@host81-157-17-97.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: —I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 2.0 Build 3515] 14:24 < rafx> maybe another approach is to see if the datacenter company provides mirrors. for them, it might be worth it to reduce bandwidth usage. 14:26 < rafx> HE seems to be doing funky stuff like offering bittorrent trackers so mirrors might take little convincing 14:27 < tsi> maybe someone could buy a linode dedicated to providing os mirrors to other linode customers and request donations from peers 14:27 < tsi> with proper hashing and keys and mumbo jumbo 14:28 < tsi> and then after a several month proof of concept run, ask for caker to Bless the monthly bill and make it go away 14:29 * tsi returns you to your regularly scheduled editor holy war 14:37 < TehDan> rafx: how much software do you install a month, out of interest? 14:39 < SupaDongzu> hmmm 14:39 < SupaDongzu> I'd say I get on average 15 packages a day 14:39 < SupaDongzu> well 14:39 < SupaDongzu> some are dry 14:39 < SupaDongzu> so let's say 10 14:39 < SupaDongzu> so rougly 300 per month here 14:41 < SupaDongzu> hooray for shaboom, eh? 14:42 -!- tierra|w [~tierra@dsl093-225-126.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #linode 14:46 < tsi> haven't you ever heard of configuration management? 14:46 < tsi> i hope your linode isn't a production server 14:48 < TehDan> indeed... I just wonder if its really going to save that much bw - clearly caker doesn't consider that it would save him much in the way of bw charges as it would be reasonably trivial for him to set some up 14:49 < TehDan> after all, I'd guess <1% of customers pay for extra bw so that they can upgrade packages all day... so any bw saved would probably just be unused from your included quota 14:51 < SupaDongzu> hmmm? 14:51 < SupaDongzu> tsi: are you talking to me? 14:51 < SupaDongzu> I was talking mostly about upgrades 14:52 < SupaDongzu> or rather, dist-upgrade 14:53 < TehDan> erm... how often do you dist-upgrade? debian only switches release every several years or so..... so only one dist-upgrade is required to switch woody -> sarge 14:53 < SupaDongzu> I run testing 14:53 < SupaDongzu> I'm running sarge now 14:53 < TehDan> you don't need to dist-upgrade every day..... 14:53 < SupaDongzu> and I upgrade every day 14:54 < SupaDongzu> a lot of the bulk is when some large constellation of packages gets updated for some small thing 14:54 < SupaDongzu> like all of the python dist gets rebuilt somehow 14:54 < SupaDongzu> I actually have cron-apt running hourly 14:54 < SupaDongzu> I often get security updates before I've even read the advisory 14:56 < TehDan> I probably see more traffic blocked by my firewall than getting and update from security.debian.org every hour..... 14:56 < SupaDongzu> ha. 14:56 < SupaDongzu> firewall. 14:56 < SupaDongzu> magic talisman! 14:56 < SupaDongzu> keeps out evil! 14:57 < TehDan> if you say so.... 14:57 < TehDan> I prefer to think of it as a packet filter that rejects a lot of script-kiddies per unit time 14:57 < SupaDongzu> that's grand 14:57 < SupaDongzu> I have a firewall 14:57 < SupaDongzu> it's called tcpwrappers 14:58 < SupaDongzu> and not running broken services 14:58 < SupaDongzu> and upgrading daemons regularly 14:58 < TehDan> that's one approach 14:58 < SupaDongzu> beats having to remember if ipchains/iprules/ipfilters/ipstopper/ipsifter is the flavor of the week 15:00 < TehDan> not quite as flexible though... 15:00 < SupaDongzu> ? 15:00 < SupaDongzu> plenty flexible 15:00 < SupaDongzu> firewalls are useful for protecting multiple poorly-managed servers 15:01 < SupaDongzu> but if you've got a standalone host, it's best to just actually SysAdmin the thing 15:01 < SupaDongzu> done. 15:01 -!- rafx [~rafx@adsl-68-75-178-52.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:02 -!- rafx [~rafx@adsl-68-75-51-131.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #linode 15:17 -!- spr [~spr@ramona.cs.byu.edu] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:17 -!- spr [~spr@ramona.cs.byu.edu] has joined #linode 15:24 -!- sunny [~sunny@128.238.244.53] has joined #linode 15:26 < Nostromo> hmm, my linode keeps getting shutdown after i boot it.. any help anyone? 15:26 < Nostromo> (i just installed a fresh distro) 15:27 < npmr> SupaDongzu, none of the above actually..... iptables has been "flavor of the week" since around the late 90s 15:28 < rafx> Nostromo, use Lish to see what is happening during boot. 15:28 < Nostromo> hmm, good idea. 15:28 < Nostromo> thanks 15:32 < fo0bar> npmr: 6 years isn't long enough damnit! 15:32 < npmr> i know 15:37 < Nostromo> rafx, thanks - solved it. 15:53 -!- harshy [~harshy@dhcp024-208-175-126.columbus.rr.com] has joined #linode 16:19 -!- adamg [a.l.gent@cpc4-cdif4-3-0-cust87.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #linode 16:42 -!- tiz [~81adc132@linode.com] has joined #linode 16:44 < adamg> lo 16:48 -!- tiz [~81adc132@linode.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC] 16:57 -!- nickfury [~nick@m125-138.on.tac.net] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )] 16:57 -!- spr [~spr@ramona.cs.byu.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:02 -!- emcnabb [~emcnabb@38.116.3.194] has quit [Quit: IRC: Where men are men, women are men, and little girls are FBI agents] 17:07 -!- sunny [~sunny@128.238.244.53] has quit [Quit: sunny] 17:08 -!- thoth39 [~hm@200217109157.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #linode 17:32 -!- DarkSSJ [~darkssj@82.53.154.54] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:44 -!- ThQ [Q@dial4a-136.btc-bci.com] has joined #linode 17:44 < ThQ> caker you in 17:45 < ThQ> !seen caker 17:45 < linbot> ThQ: caker was last seen here 5 hours, 15 minutes, and 27 seconds ago saying: linbot: weather 19104 17:48 < ThQ> !page caker 17:48 < caker> ThQ: hello 17:48 < ThQ> can i pm 17:48 < caker> yup 17:51 < adamg> you call and he appears 17:51 < ThQ> linbot: weather 49010 17:51 < linbot> ThQ: The current temperature in Allegan, Michigan is 11°F (5:46 PM EST on January 25, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 11°F. UV: 0 out of 12 17:53 -!- Redgore [redgore@195-38-74-61.dial.accentuk.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:53 -!- david [~dcoulson@muffin.davidcoulson.net] has joined #linode 17:54 -!- david is now known as Guest277 17:55 -!- Guest277 is now known as david 17:56 -!- david is now known as Guest278 17:58 -!- dcoulson_ [~dcoulson@muffin.davidcoulson.net] has joined #linode 17:58 -!- Guest278 [~dcoulson@muffin.davidcoulson.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:03 -!- jasonf [~jay@levitra.oldos.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:11 -!- harshy|lap [~harshy@dhcp024-208-175-126.columbus.rr.com] has joined #linode 18:11 -!- harshy [~harshy@dhcp024-208-175-126.columbus.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:24 -!- Nostromo [~Unknown@bzq-82-81-171-165.red.bezeqint.net] has left #linode [] 18:25 -!- Nostromo [~amir@li11-121.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 18:28 -!- rafx [~rafx@adsl-68-75-51-131.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:28 -!- rafx [~rafx@adsl-68-77-43-250.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #linode 18:30 -!- Newsome [~sorenson@obelix.cs.byu.edu] has left #linode [Leaving] 18:32 -!- dtrumb [~dtrumb@adsl-64-91-71-140-rb.lax.customer.centurytel.net] has joined #linode 18:33 -!- rafx [~rafx@adsl-68-77-43-250.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:33 -!- rafx [~rafx@adsl-68-75-184-209.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #linode 18:34 -!- dtrumb [~dtrumb@adsl-64-91-71-140-rb.lax.customer.centurytel.net] has left #linode [] 18:40 -!- Nostromo [~amir@li11-121.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: [BX] The Spice Girls use BitchX (instead of underwear and talent)] 18:40 < heidi> caker: how is your dad 18:47 -!- Nostromo [~amir@li11-121.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 18:48 < adamg> hmm 18:49 < adamg> heidi hows hunter? 18:54 < heidi> adamg: good, sleeping 18:55 < adamg> how long till you move again? 18:56 < heidi> don't know 18:56 < heidi> we will be here for a few more months at least 18:57 < heidi> monday or tuesday is michaels last day in the navy 18:57 < adamg> has he got anything planned for when he leaves 18:59 < heidi> possibly 18:59 < heidi> he has a job lined up 18:59 < heidi> most likely will be telecommuting for a while until the office is set up 19:00 < adamg> yeah i know which one you are going on about 19:00 < heidi> if that doesn't work out I don't have a clue 19:00 < mikegrb> McDonalds 19:00 < npmr> ha ha 19:00 < adamg> you would eat more than you sold 19:01 < heidi> heh 19:01 < adamg> 1 for them 3 for me 19:01 < heidi> heh 19:01 < heidi> yep 19:01 < heidi> that would be him 19:02 < adamg> well they are so small you need 3/4 before you are full 19:02 < adamg> prefer a nice large pizza 19:03 < heidi> heh 19:03 < heidi> michael would too 19:04 < adamg> getting hungry now 19:06 < heidi> heh 19:06 < npmr> likewise 19:06 * npmr searches out foodicles 19:07 < adamg> has hit midnight here 19:07 < adamg> pizza place around the corner has shut :-( 19:12 -!- emcnabb [~emcnabb@adsl-215-161-84.aep.bellsouth.net] has joined #linode 19:17 < guinea-pig> how many customers do you think caker's losing to macmini? 19:21 < tierra|w> depends... know of any datacenters offering rackspace for mac minis? If so, sign me up =) 19:22 < tierra|w> http://www.gentoo.org/images/gwn/20050124_mini.jpg <- Gentoo on mac mini 19:22 < guinea-pig> um 19:22 < guinea-pig> http://macmini.purestatic.com/ 19:23 < tierra|w> haha, nice 19:25 < guinea-pig> went into the apple store today to look at one, for kicks 19:25 < guinea-pig> they had no idea someone was doing this, and were all sold out 19:25 < guinea-pig> even sold some of the displays, heh 19:29 -!- anderiv [~anderiv@207-67-87-34.gen.twtelecom.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:29 -!- anderiv [~anderiv@207-67-87-34.gen.twtelecom.net] has joined #linode 19:38 -!- dcoulson_ is now known as david 19:54 -!- anderiv [~anderiv@207-67-87-34.gen.twtelecom.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:54 -!- anderiv [~anderiv@207-67-87-34.gen.twtelecom.net] has joined #linode 20:04 -!- Newsome [~sorenson@byu-gw.customer.csolutions.net] has joined #linode 20:04 -!- FesterCouples [~ronpoz@ool-18b88fb8.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #linode 20:28 -!- FesterCouples [~ronpoz@ool-18b88fb8.dyn.optonline.net] has left #linode [] 20:31 -!- spr [~spr@c-67-161-219-228.client.comcast.net] has joined #linode 20:33 -!- sunny [~sunny@user-12lco19.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #linode 20:33 -!- abdala [~c88dcc3e@linode.com] has joined #linode 20:36 -!- kmiller [~453bcaf4@linode.com] has joined #linode 20:36 < kmiller> hello 20:36 < kmiller> i have a support issue i need resolved 20:37 -!- david [~dcoulson@muffin.davidcoulson.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39 < kmiller> hello/ 20:39 < kmiller> ??????? 20:40 -!- abdala [~c88dcc3e@linode.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)] 20:40 < Newsome> ~seen caker 20:40 < Newsome> !seen caker 20:40 < linbot> Newsome: caker was last seen here 2 hours, 52 minutes, and 12 seconds ago saying: yup 20:46 -!- kmiller [~453bcaf4@linode.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)] 20:50 < npmr> !weather 94110 20:50 < linbot> npmr: The current temperature in San Francisco, California is 52°F (4:56 PM PST on January 25, 2005). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 52°F. Pressure: 29.93 in (1013 hPa). Visibility: 3.0 miles (4.8 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 20:51 < npmr> !weather 56649 20:51 < linbot> npmr: The current temperature in International Falls, Minnesota is 10°F (7:32 PM CST on January 25, 2005). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 5°F. Pressure: 29.85 in (1011 hPa). Visibility: 3.0 miles (4.8 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 20:51 < npmr> !weather 48104 20:51 < linbot> npmr: The current temperature in Ann Arbor, Michigan is 31°F (7:53 PM EST on January 25, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 25°F. Wind: SSW at 13 mph (20 km/h). Pressure: 29.57 in (1001 hPa). Visibility: 8.0 miles (12.9 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 20:52 < npmr> !weather 60602 20:52 < linbot> npmr: The current temperature in Chicago, Illinois is 41°F (6:53 PM CST on January 25, 2005). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 34°F. Pressure: 29.53 in (1000 hPa). Visibility: 9.0 miles (14.5 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 20:52 -!- kmiller [~453bcaf4@linode.com] has joined #linode 20:53 < kmiller> hello? 20:54 -!- Shaun [~ndci@ip68-111-70-41.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:54 -!- kmiller [~453bcaf4@linode.com] has quit [Quit: ] 20:59 -!- david [~dcoulson@muffin.davidcoulson.net] has joined #linode 21:00 -!- david is now known as Guest280 21:03 -!- Guest280 is now known as david 21:04 < ThQ> !weather 66666 21:20 -!- kmiller [~453bcaf4@linode.com] has joined #linode 21:20 < kmiller> hello? 21:20 -!- kmiller [~453bcaf4@linode.com] has quit [Quit: ] 21:22 < caker> kmiller doesn't wait around very long, does he? 21:22 < npmr> nien 21:22 < SupaDongzu> hahaha 21:22 < SupaDongzu> revolving doors 21:23 * mikegrb throws back his head and cackles with insane glee. 21:25 < caker> Quotes from an email today: 21:25 < caker> On another note, I'd like to make a pleasant compliment to one of your support reps in #linode with the handle "adamg". He's always polite, prompt, effectivley answers questions, and is always willing to help. 21:26 < caker> I'm not so happy with "Efudd" in which I asked a question, and he blatantly told me to go elsewhere to get my "omgzomgz 1TB Bandwidth". He's rude, and quite honestly, his arrogance was making me want to cancel the service linode provided me with in spite of what he said. 21:26 < caker> EFudd: posing as a Linode employee again? :) 21:27 < ThQ> lol 21:27 < mikegrb> lolz 21:27 * mikegrb throws back his head and cackles with insane glee. 21:27 * mikegrb gives adamg a gold star 21:29 < ThQ> Quote from an email to caker: Im not happy at all with linbot. All it does is sit their and scratch its butt. It dont help people at all. Please fire it. 21:30 < ThQ> makes as much scence as the last paste caker did 21:31 < heidi> caker: how is your dad 21:32 < EFudd> er, what did I do? :) 21:32 < EFudd> good job adam! 21:33 < EFudd> I think I specifcally told him to stop whining about only getting Ngig of bandwidth instead of 1TB like his other provider. :P 21:33 * EFudd will leave #linode perm if necessary :) 21:33 < caker> how he figured EFudd was a Linode employee is beyond me :) 21:34 < EFudd> oh, er, his email implied we were employees? :) 21:34 < caker> He must have thought all 50 people in here were waiting to serve 21:34 < caker> EFudd: why else would he care? 21:34 < EFudd> oh. I see now. "support reps" :) 21:34 * EFudd must /lastlog to find his nickname for future chastisement and straight-setting-ness. 21:34 < ThQ> does that make me a support rep because i was idling in here 21:35 < caker> heidi: he's doing better today. Might be home by Friday 21:35 < caker> heidi: thanks for asking 21:35 < EFudd> thq, STFU and log into the queue! You have 2 cases to resolve in the next 37 seconds. Get to it ! chop chop! 21:36 < SupaDongzu> :D 21:36 < SupaDongzu> YOU CAN'T FIRE ME!!! 21:36 < SupaDongzu> I QUIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 21:36 < EFudd> --DISCLAIMER-- I am not employee of Linode.com. I am just a troll that happened upon some clue many years ago. Unfortunately this clue has all been spent and my answers all come from a specially modified magic 8-ball. If you'd like to continue with your questioning, please press '1' now in l33t AOL style. 21:37 * EFudd makes hotkey 21:37 < SupaDongzu> 555555555555 21:37 < EFudd> Supa. KEYWORD: RTFM. Ktnx. HAND. HTH! 21:37 < SupaDongzu> EFudd: we're working on a game for squinky's voicemodem 21:37 < SupaDongzu> called "DTMF DUNGEON" 21:37 < EFudd> werd. 21:37 * EFudd pulls out whistle 21:37 < SupaDongzu> and the sample code was all "Press 5 to kill troll" 21:37 < EFudd> Sekret Cap'n Whistle. 21:38 < SupaDongzu> so whenever anybody's trolling in #tron 21:38 < SupaDongzu> everyone fills the screen with 5's 21:38 < EFudd> oic :) 21:38 < SupaDongzu> it is justice 21:38 < EFudd> I wonder if I can get in trouble with the FAA/FBI by shining my DVD player towards a plane..... 21:38 * EFudd notes back clearly states CLASS 1 LASER PRODUCT 21:38 < ThQ> yes you can 21:38 < ThQ> its considered terrorism 21:39 < EFudd> Hmm. Wonder if I can rob a store with a DVD player. 21:40 < ThQ> Thats like me saying "I wonder if i can get in trouble for rebroadcasting Howard Stern on my Ham Radio" 21:45 < SupaDongzu> YOU CAN??????? 21:45 < SupaDongzu> OMFG 21:45 < guinea-pig> i use a steak radio 21:45 < SupaDongzu> mine is vegan 21:45 < SupaDongzu> it is dreamy 21:45 < guinea-pig> that means it's from vega 21:45 < SupaDongzu> it is. 21:45 < mikegrb> I have a small hand held pig radio 21:46 * guinea-pig climbs out of mikegrb's hand 21:46 < SupaDongzu> my radio is made of cake 21:46 < guinea-pig> fairy cake 21:46 < mikegrb> I filed my taxes today :D 21:46 < guinea-pig> i feared my taxes today 21:47 < mikegrb> my taxes were nice to me 21:47 < mikegrb> $3,500 21:47 < guinea-pig> all that money i made plowing snow... has to go to repair my truck instead of to uncle sam :( 21:47 < mikegrb> 3,100 federal 21:47 < guinea-pig> is that a refund or owed? 21:47 < mikegrb> refund 21:47 < mikegrb> had a kid 21:47 < guinea-pig> nice 21:47 < guinea-pig> haha 21:47 < mikegrb> turns out that is a very good thing to do 21:47 < guinea-pig> i owe $7k federal, $600 state 21:48 < caker> mikegrb: yeah, for them -- more people to pay taxes 21:48 < guinea-pig> (oops) 21:48 < mikegrb> caker: heh eventually 21:48 < mikegrb> guinea-pig: big oops 21:48 < guinea-pig> yeah 21:48 < guinea-pig> they give you an incentive to make more taxpayers 21:49 < guinea-pig> it's like a town giving a business a tax break the first couple years it builds in town 21:49 < SupaDongzu> japan's problem is they make it too damn hard to raise a kid 21:50 < SupaDongzu> that's why the population is all 90 years old 21:51 < caker> SupaDongzu: I heard about that on World Business on PBS the other day .. 1/3 of their pop. is over 60 or something 21:51 < SupaDongzu> yep 21:51 < SupaDongzu> part of the problem is that the school system is *terrible* 21:51 < caker> ?? 21:51 < SupaDongzu> haha 21:52 < SupaDongzu> everyone in the US boggles when I say that 21:52 < caker> Aren't they all brainiacs? 21:52 < SupaDongzu> hahaha 21:52 < SupaDongzu> okay 21:52 < guinea-pig> *boggle* 21:52 < SupaDongzu> so you are probably thinking of all those stories you heard 21:52 < guinea-pig> terrible as in whips and chains? 21:52 < SupaDongzu> about how kids commit suicide because they take their studies so seriously 21:52 < SupaDongzu> and you thought "my my, the pressure from the schools to perform must be huge!" 21:52 < SupaDongzu> I thought this as well 21:53 < caker> (or how it takes an intelligence level 1.5x the average American to even learn their written language) 21:53 < SupaDongzu> and then E explained it 21:53 < SupaDongzu> and I heard some asia scholar confirm this 21:53 < SupaDongzu> SO 21:53 < SupaDongzu> the real story behind it is this: japanese schools are like US ghetto schools only without the knives and guns 21:53 < SupaDongzu> they're hideous 21:53 < SupaDongzu> the teachers have no recourse to discipline the students 21:53 < SupaDongzu> and all they do to teach is demand recitation of memorized facts 21:53 < SupaDongzu> the textbooks are all slim little puff pieces 21:54 < SupaDongzu> SO 21:54 < SupaDongzu> at the end of your school carreer 21:54 < SupaDongzu> you're supposed to take this ONE BIG TEST 21:54 < linbot> 15,000 car, you make-a-me-raff 21:54 < SupaDongzu> that your schools have NOT PREPARED YOU FOR 21:54 < SupaDongzu> so you cram 21:54 < SupaDongzu> and you feel terrible about yoruself 21:54 < npmr> and die 21:54 < SupaDongzu> I mean, all sorts of kids pass this test right? so why not you? 21:55 < SupaDongzu> here's the secret: those other kids had parents who could afford private tutoring for most of your life 21:55 < SupaDongzu> so you spend 6 hours in a crappy school 21:55 < SupaDongzu> and then another 6 hustling around to tutors to try and make up for the failings of the school system 21:55 < SupaDongzu> but the schools are just zoos 21:55 < SupaDongzu> kids running through the halls 21:55 < SupaDongzu> opening doors at random and hurling things in 21:55 < SupaDongzu> etc 21:56 < SupaDongzu> I mean, there are good schools and bad 21:56 < SupaDongzu> but most of them are in serious decay mode 21:56 < SupaDongzu> SO 21:56 < mikegrb> so... 21:56 < SupaDongzu> maybe the generation that came of age in the late 70s managed to work this system pretty well 21:56 < mikegrb> The End. 21:56 < mikegrb> conclusion: Japan Sucks. 21:56 < SupaDongzu> maybe there were just enough of them to make mad industry by sheer numbers 21:56 < SupaDongzu> but the japanese schools are horrible 21:56 < SupaDongzu> and I wouldn't raise a kid there 21:58 < SupaDongzu> caker: does that satisfy your "???" :) 21:58 < caker> SupaDongzu: yes. 21:58 < SupaDongzu> haha 21:59 < mikegrb> SupaDongzu gets a gold star. 21:59 * caker applauds 21:59 < EFudd> wow, another gold star. 21:59 < EFudd> while i'm stuck with coal. 21:59 < EFudd> >< 21:59 < SupaDongzu> EFudd: historically, it wasn't coal so much as a lump of something even less pleasant 22:00 < EFudd> oic. 22:00 * linbot gives you a dirty look 22:00 < SupaDongzu> you'd put your shoes out. And if you were bad, animals would make a mess in them 22:00 < SupaDongzu> but that got sanitized to "coal" when things moved inside 22:02 < mikegrb> SupaDongzu: a wealth of information <-- output of dict (1) 22:02 < SupaDongzu> I see. 22:02 < npmr> correct 22:03 < EFudd> Error Number: -2147221501 0x80040003 22:03 < EFudd> 22:03 < EFudd> Error Description: \-2147221501\4\ [TRK_Track:CTrackProxy.TrackShipmentASP]\ 22:03 < heidi> caker: I am glad he is doing ok 22:03 < SupaDongzu> okay, it's time for falafel 22:03 < heidi> I was very worried 22:03 * EFudd determines that dhl-usa.com is broked 22:03 < heidi> I don't like when people hurt 22:03 < EFudd> Shipped Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 22:03 < EFudd> Estimated Ship Date: 1/31/2005 22:03 < EFudd> Dell==smart. 22:06 * caker got his DHL account the other day 22:06 < fo0bar> EFudd: I've never had dell ship a computer in less than 2 weeks 22:06 < EFudd> DHL is in possession of my M1400 table PC as of today. 22:06 < fo0bar> hell, it took them 2 weeks to get a REFURB to me 22:06 < caker> OTOH, FedEX mis-weighed (by half) my last two servers :) 22:07 < EFudd> and their website refuses to tell me its location. 22:07 < EFudd> f00, i orderd my m1400 through dell late lastnight and it shipped today 22:07 * fo0bar grumbles 22:07 * mikegrb rumbles 22:07 * EFudd hopes heidi had gotten ready 22:08 < heidi> ? 22:08 < heidi> gotten ready for what 22:08 < EFudd> "GET READY TO RUMMMMMMMMMBLE!!!" 22:08 < heidi> oh 22:08 < heidi> never mind 22:08 * EFudd nod 22:08 < heidi> when you get like three hours of sleep every day for four months, your brain gets soggy 22:08 < EFudd> i understand. :0 22:09 < heidi> my little one has started baby food along with the breast milk, but just once a day 22:09 < heidi> but now he has decided he also needs breast milk every half hour to an hour 22:10 < heidi> I am exhausted 22:10 < heidi> he is draining me 22:10 < EFudd> Crustaceans at 50x magnification on channel 129 voom! :) 22:10 < EFudd> heidi, it's just payback from women draining men by taking their sperm. 22:10 < alnr> no pun intended 22:10 < heidi> sure it is 22:10 < heidi> I didn't drain michael 22:11 < heidi> we just had one lucky night 22:11 < mikegrb> EFudd: what channel is 129? 22:11 < EFudd> mmmm high definition Paramecium magnified 50x! 22:12 < mikegrb> EFudd: /me <3 UniversalHD 22:12 < EFudd> "LAB". which used to be called "MOOV". Which is art/graphics/etc set to music. 22:12 < rafx> do people look like raisins when drained? 22:12 < mikegrb> interesting 22:12 < EFudd> yeah. if yer a stoner it'd be a great station to fade to. 22:12 < mikegrb> heh 22:13 < heidi> rafx: nope 22:13 < heidi> unless you are the one drained, you can't tell the difference 22:13 < heidi> but I am drained emotionally and mentally as well 22:13 < heidi> energy gone 22:13 < rafx> i'm not drained, but i think i'm drying out. probably need to drink 5x more water than i've been 22:13 < mikegrb> EFudd: also, voom commercials are pretty sweet in HD 22:14 < mikegrb> Discovery HD plays a bunch of trhem 22:14 < heidi> voom sucks 22:14 < EFudd> nods. 22:14 * EFudd mourns the soon-to-be-loss-of-voom 22:14 < EFudd> installed today. cut off cable. dunno what i'm gonna do when they pull the voomplug 22:14 < mikegrb> heh 22:15 < rafx> speaking of mental drain, i'm gonna crash. need recharging badly 22:15 < EFudd> l8s. 22:15 -!- rafx [~rafx@adsl-68-75-184-209.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:16 < EFudd> I also <3 that I get 20 HD OTA channels now 22:16 < EFudd> instead of, well, none. 22:18 < mikegrb> that is quite a few OTA 22:18 < EFudd> aye. i expected 4 or 5. 22:18 < EFudd> mind you, lots of those are subchannels that aren't always live. 22:19 < mikegrb> I expect /maybe/ 1 here, pbs 22:19 < EFudd> i was told to not expect PBS, it's my strongest signal 22:19 < EFudd> i think there are 4 or 5 PBS stations i get :) 22:19 < mikegrb> this town doesn't event have it's own nbc/abc/cbs station 22:19 < EFudd> ah. 22:19 < mikegrb> yes, we get four 22:19 < EFudd> i'm 26 miles from PBS, NBS, ABC, FOX, CBS, UPN, WB(sux for signal). 22:19 < mikegrb> pbs station is about 5 minute drive from here 22:20 < mikegrb> and all the other stations are in mobile, alabama, about an hour west 22:20 < mikegrb> 65-70 miles 22:20 < EFudd> nod. my PBS station is 4 miles or so from this house. was about a mile from my other one. but their transmitter is at the same location as alltheotherfolk 22:20 < linbot> New news from forums: New server in Sales Questions and Answers 22:20 < EFudd> thanks linbot! 22:21 < EFudd> ack. voom remote doesn't have a previouschannel button 22:21 < ThQ> EFudd, get to work selling account now to fill the new server. After all your now a rep 22:21 < EFudd> ThQ, on break. 22:22 < EFudd> Extended. 22:22 < EFudd> until my next trolling. 22:28 < tsi> yay trolls! 22:28 < tsi> er wait the other one 22:28 < tsi> DIE, TROLLS 22:29 < EFudd> easy to mix up. 22:32 -!- thoth39 [~hm@200217109157.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48 -!- cout [cout@pcp03785361pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:50 -!- cout [cout@pcp03785361pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] has joined #linode 22:55 -!- spr [~spr@c-67-161-219-228.client.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56 -!- spr [~spr@c-67-161-219-228.client.comcast.net] has joined #linode 23:51 -!- emcnabb [~emcnabb@adsl-215-161-84.aep.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:53 < SupaDongzu> 5555555 --- Log closed Tue Jan 25 23:59:01 2005