--- Day changed --- Log opened Wed Apr 13 23:59:02 2005 23:59 < fo0bar> the trend lately seems to be touchscreen reprogramable remotes, but I like the tactile feel 00:07 < mikegrb> fo0bar: check out the harmony 00:07 < mikegrb> fully programmable 00:07 < mikegrb> lots of tactile buttons but 6 tactile buttons at the top that go with the lcd 00:07 < mikegrb> and I didn't have to learn any ir codes 00:07 < mikegrb> it has usb! 00:07 < mikegrb> was about 150 at best buy 00:07 < mikegrb> it was a valtine's day present :D 00:13 -!- xptek [~xptek@71-33-27-16.bois.qwest.net] has joined #linode 00:21 < linbot> eep eep, woot woot, I ain't playin' around, make one false move I'll take you down 00:23 < mikegrb> :O 00:23 < jasonf> linbot: jam 00:30 < fo0bar> mikegrb: looks cool, but yikes! expensive! 00:30 < mikegrb> yeah 00:30 < mikegrb> sooo nice though 00:31 < mikegrb> press watch tv and everything does what it is supposed 00:31 < mikegrb> tv switches to input 7, hd box comes on, receiver switches to input from hd box 00:31 < fo0bar> cool 00:32 < mikegrb> push watch a movie, tv goes to input 5, receiver to dvd player, dvd player turns on and ejects 00:32 < mikegrb> and all with a few clicks 00:32 < mikegrb> it asked the gear I had 00:32 < mikegrb> asked the brand and model 00:32 < mikegrb> lookedup what I had typed in the text boxes and showed me little icons next to the standardized name and model number 00:32 < mikegrb> said is this right 00:32 < mikegrb> and then I plugged in the remote 00:33 < mikegrb> if you've got a big cd changer it will even store the cds in the remote itself 00:33 < mikegrb> so you can scroll through them on it's lcd screen and select the one you want 00:34 < fo0bar> does it have an option like "the receiver is fully programmable, just enable all the buttons"? It's annoying going through codes/devices on a universal remote to find the code that activates the most buttons 00:34 < fo0bar> since with lirc you can just map any button it receives 00:36 < mikegrb> ahh 00:36 < mikegrb> well 00:36 < mikegrb> interesting point 00:36 < mikegrb> I'm not sure what to do in that case 00:38 < fo0bar> I'm using the tivo layout right now, since the tivo isn't in use right now... but what if I do? :) 00:39 < mikegrb> so use replay tv! 00:39 < mikegrb> the custom interface lists every button on the remote with dropdowns to assign codes 00:47 < fo0bar> mikegrb: which harmony do you have? 00:49 < mikegrb> umm h659 00:49 < mikegrb> only thing I'm lacking is an ir x10 receiver 00:49 < mikegrb> so we have two remotes 00:50 < mikegrb> as the other universal remote sends rf x10 commands 00:50 < mikegrb> the harmony even supports x10 in it's massive code database 00:50 < gloin> http://www.taupehat.com/misc/manamana.wmv 00:50 < gloin> oops 00:50 < gloin> wrong chan =] 00:50 < mikegrb> liar 00:50 < mikegrb> you did that on purpose! 00:51 < caker> damn -- 404 00:51 < mikegrb> he moved it so we couldn't watch his hot computer porn! 00:51 < jasonf> hello caker, mikegrb 00:51 < gloin> lol 00:51 < mikegrb> lolz 00:51 < gloin> it is not 404! 00:51 < mikegrb> he added a new hard drive 00:51 < gloin> oh wait 00:51 < gloin> yes it is 00:51 < jasonf> lol 00:51 < mikegrb> lolz 00:52 < jasonf> here, listen to this while you wait 00:52 < caker> jasonf: hello 00:52 < jasonf> http://j.oldos.org/drmario.mpg 00:52 < jasonf> er 00:52 < gloin> http://www.taupehat.com/misc/mahnamahna.wmv 00:52 < jasonf> http://j.oldos.org/drmario.mp3 00:52 < gloin> heh 00:52 < jasonf> drmario is the shiznit 00:53 < fo0bar> mikegrb: I got a snapstream firefly which is supposedly another X10 RF remote implementation... and I was getting crap for range. I don't know why, but in places it's less than 10 feet 00:54 < mikegrb> gloin: I've seen that on tv ;) 00:54 < mikegrb> fo0bar: wow 00:54 < mikegrb> fo0bar: I can walk anywhere 00:54 < mikegrb> gloin: really, I saw it on tv while whatching sesame street 00:54 < gloin> yeah mikegrb it's a classic muppets skit 00:54 < gloin> like old-school 00:54 < gloin> and 00:54 < mikegrb> aha 00:55 < mikegrb> it was on sesame street a week or two ago 00:55 < caker> http://www.theshore.net/~caker/crap/mario.mp3 00:55 * mikegrb kills vlc 00:55 < mikegrb> I have vlc setup to ignore all keypresses 00:56 < mikegrb> my 7 month old son watch dvds on my ibook that way :D 00:56 < gloin> hmm 00:56 < gloin> that's not a bad idea 00:56 < gloin> my 3-year-old daughter has learned that pressing random buttons causes elmo to disappear 00:56 < gloin> or freeze 00:56 < mikegrb> heh 00:56 < gloin> so she pretty well leaves it alone 00:56 < mikegrb> caker: rock 00:57 < caker> ^-- where Trent Reznor got his inspiration 00:57 < gloin> but she does know the enter key starts the movie and space pauses 00:57 < mikegrb> gloin: my nephew at 3 knew he could turn the tv on with all the buttons on the front but only the power button would turn it on without making the remote beep un endingly 00:57 < mikegrb> I was quite impressed 00:58 < gloin> lol 00:58 < mikegrb> lolz 00:58 < mikegrb> they had a magnavox with remote finder stuff 00:58 < gloin> the munchkin here just learned that the big shiny button on the front of the linux box causes a shutdown 00:58 < gloin> not fun in the middle of lion king 00:58 < mikegrb> heh 00:59 < gloin> I was fixing to disconnect the button and set the power to always turn on after halt from the bios and then she killed her movie - I don't think that'll happen again =] 01:00 < caker> http://www.rackmountpro.com/imageview.php?image=/prodimages/rm8u8040-1.jpg <-- damn. 01:00 * caker wants 01:18 < gloin> so any slots for a 64 open at HE yet? 01:18 * gloin is anxious to get off TP 01:19 < jasonf> gloin: why? 01:20 < gloin> long story jasonf 01:20 < gloin> =] 01:20 -!- internat-uqi [~8266803c@broken.our-lan.com] has joined #linode 01:21 -!- internat-uqi [~8266803c@broken.our-lan.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21 -!- internat-uqi [~8266803c@broken.our-lan.com] has joined #linode 01:22 -!- internat-uqi [~8266803c@broken.our-lan.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24 < Newsome> caker: That a raid box? 01:25 -!- internat-uqi [~8266803c@broken.our-lan.com] has joined #linode 01:38 -!- SupaZubon [nick@zork.zork.net] has quit [jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net] 01:38 -!- thelsdj [~thelsdj@24-117-42-27.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net] 01:38 -!- fo0bar [fo0bar@66.220.1.247] has quit [jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net] 01:38 -!- EFudd [~jason@69.56.173.172] has quit [jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net] 01:38 -!- jasonf [~jay@levitra.oldos.org] has quit [jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net] 01:38 -!- phlaegel [~phlaegel@S0106000d88033723.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net] 01:38 -!- Beirdo [~gjhurlbu@beirdo.usercloak.oftc.net] has quit [jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net] 01:38 -!- bob2 [rob@bob2.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net] 01:39 -!- thelsdj [~thelsdj@24-117-42-27.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #linode 01:40 -!- bob2 [rob@bob2.netrep.oftc.net] has joined #linode 01:40 -!- EFudd [~jason@forever.broked.net] has joined #linode 01:40 -!- jasonf [~jay@levitra.oldos.org] has joined #linode 01:40 -!- phlaegel [~phlaegel@S0106000d88033723.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #linode 01:40 -!- fo0bar [fo0bar@cromulent.colobox.com] has joined #linode 01:40 -!- SupaZubon [nick@zork.zork.net] has joined #linode 01:40 -!- Beirdo [~gjhurlbu@beirdo.usercloak.oftc.net] has joined #linode 01:41 -!- MrX [freebsd@219.95.7.77] has joined #linode 01:53 -!- schweeb [~chris@schweeb.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:53 -!- schweeb [~chris@schweeb.org] has joined #linode 01:54 -!- internat-uqi [~8266803c@broken.our-lan.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:58 -!- Newsome [~sorenson@byu-gw.customer.csolutions.net] has left #linode [Leaving] 04:02 -!- BurtyB [~chris@82-39-41-246.cable.ubr02.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #linode 05:06 -!- xptek [~xptek@71-33-27-16.bois.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:39 -!- StephenV [sdjv100@213-232-83-160.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk] has joined #linode 06:03 -!- jekil [~alessandr@host111-163.pool8256.interbusiness.it] has joined #linode 06:26 -!- optikal- [~optikal@67.41.175.169] has joined #linode 06:26 -!- optikal [~optikal@67.41.175.169] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:34 -!- jekil [~alessandr@host111-163.pool8256.interbusiness.it] has quit [Quit: Ciao] 09:06 -!- satya1 [~satyap@deepthot.itlab.musc.edu] has joined #linode 09:13 -!- ppdorapa2 [LinodeJava@46-210-114-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #linode 09:14 < ppdorapa2> caker ? are you there ? 09:20 -!- Newsome [~sorenson@byu-gw.customer.csolutions.net] has joined #linode 09:33 -!- griffinn [~griffinn@n219077119218.netvigator.com] has joined #linode 09:37 -!- Redgore [redgore@195.38.75.8] has joined #linode 09:44 -!- Newsome [~sorenson@byu-gw.customer.csolutions.net] has left #linode [Leaving] 09:50 -!- alsh [~chatzilla@cpe.atm0-0-0-1271004.0x503fb45a.virnxx4.customer.tele.dk] has joined #linode 09:52 < alsh> I am coming from #debian (on freenode) -- bad experience... I am trying get the idea of how to run apache2 with https. I was suggested to use stunnel and Apache-SSL. But can I do with apache2 and mod_ssl? Can you point to documentation where it is discussed? I have looked at http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/ssl/ but it only say about too general (cryptography) and at the same time too... 09:52 < alsh> ...specific things (reference to mod_ssl directives). What do I miss here? 09:53 * BurtyB wonders how this is a linode thing 09:54 < alsh> Okay, in other words: Does anyone use apache2 and mod_ssl here? 09:55 < alsh> Or is it a bad idea? 09:57 < alsh> BurtyB: Now I understand what you mean :-) Because I am using #linode and got some helpfull suggestions here before. Is that enough? 09:57 < alsh> I mean I am a Linode customer. 09:57 < satya1> we're offtopic all the time 09:58 < BurtyB> just seemed funny saying you had come from #debian to here 10:01 -!- o [~3ec8d63e@linode.com] has joined #linode 10:01 < alsh> #debian was really bad. Some people was just rude saying I am lamer that I don't know how to get https and apache2 working. Others refused to give any hints before I ask hundred specific questions. I am not saying that all #debian members are bad. But some seems to spoil all the channel. 10:02 < Redgore> alsh: thats the world of the debian community :P 10:02 < alsh> :-) Why is that? 10:02 < Redgore> who knows 10:03 < satya1> i don't know how to get apache2 and mod 10:03 < Redgore> its just the minority though, and the minority seem to be in #debian on freenode 10:03 < satya1> _ssl ... oh bah 10:03 * satya1 is debian user 10:03 * BurtyB just read the docs and followed the config files on gentoo for it... and it worked 10:03 < Redgore> I have debian on my linode 10:03 < Redgore> im a slacker by nature though 10:04 < npmr> alsh, i am using apache 1.3 and mod_ssl 10:04 < npmr> i imagine not much has changed in how that works with apache 2 10:05 < alsh> BurtyB: What docs? 10:06 < BurtyB> alsh no idea, i would have googled most likely 10:06 -!- o [~3ec8d63e@linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:08 < alsh> npmr: Probably not much... Have you read just docs from apache? 10:08 < npmr> yeah 10:08 < npmr> just the module documentation 10:08 < npmr> i started with a boilerplate VirtualHost configuration, too 10:08 < npmr> basically, in your VirtualHost, you need the following 10:08 < npmr> SSLEngine On 10:09 < npmr> SSLCertificateFile 10:09 < npmr> SSLCertificateKeyFile 10:09 < alsh> (aha) 10:10 < npmr> and then if you want: 10:10 < npmr> SetEnvIf User-Agent ".*MSIE.*" nokeepalive ssl-unclean-shutdown 10:10 < npmr> ^-- ha ha internet explorer 10:10 < npmr> in your httpd.conf, you really only need the appropriate LoadModule directive 10:11 < npmr> everything else is in the vhost 10:11 < alsh> npmr: Thank you. I am reading through apache2 docs to find about directives you mention. (is that SetEnvIf stuff to ban IE?) 10:12 < npmr> no, it's to deal with IE's crappy SSL implementation 10:12 < kvandivo> it's one thing to joke about ie.. it would be rather harsh to actually ban them 10:12 < npmr> the rest of those directives provided by mod_ssl may be of interest later 10:12 < npmr> but you only need those three to get started 10:12 < npmr> and a cert, obviously 10:13 < npmr> also, if your key file is passphrase protected apache will prompt you for the passphrase at startup 10:13 * satya1 was trying to redirect all IE hits to a page saying please use a better browser 10:13 < npmr> satya1, mod_rewrite 10:13 < satya1> yes 10:14 < satya1> for some reason it didn't work for me 10:14 < npmr> RewriteCond %{USER_AGENT} *MSIE* 10:14 < satya1> i forget why 10:14 < alsh> npmr: I need openssh to generate cert, don't I? 10:14 < npmr> RewriteRule .* /useabetterbrowser.html 10:14 < satya1> :) 10:14 < satya1> openssl, shirley? 10:14 < npmr> alsh, openssl 10:14 < npmr> and cert are a total pain in the ass 10:15 < alsh> npmr: You mean to deal with them? 10:16 < npmr> to manage, yeah 10:17 < npmr> the easiest way to do it is to go buy one from one of the cheap vendors 10:17 < npmr> but even then you have to know absolutely for sure what the hostname of your server will be 10:18 -!- flatronf700B [~flatronf7@ns1.clipsalportal.com] has joined #linode 10:18 < npmr> if you're still developing a working apache config, you might not have that yet 10:34 < alsh> npmr: Of course I don't have. I decided to defer dealing with certificates. Should it be possible to create keys that will trigger that window saying "oh, this key is not signed. This site is bad etc. etc."? 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15:38 -!- asdfg [~54e66781@linode.com] has joined #linode 15:38 < mikegrb> asdfg: welcome 15:38 -!- asdfg [~54e66781@linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:46 < kvandivo> asdfg: goodbye 15:46 < alsh> asdf ran away... 15:46 < alsh> +g 15:59 -!- peter555 [new@pD9E1F744.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #linode 16:02 -!- peter555 [new@pD9E1F744.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #linode [] 16:07 < alsh> npmr: Unfortunately I was interrupted and wasn't able to do things that you've described (about https, keys, apache etc.). But I as soon as I do I will go back and say thank you. :-) 16:07 -!- alsh [~chatzilla@cpe.atm0-0-0-1271004.0x503fb45a.virnxx4.customer.tele.dk] has left #linode [] 16:15 -!- tuux1598g [~tuux1598g@cpc2-stok1-6-0-cust68.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: ] 16:27 -!- itamarjp [lualele@200-225-242-052-dynamic.idial.com.br] has joined #linode 16:32 < itamarjp> hi 16:37 < Surferdude> Hello 16:38 < itamarjp> hi 16:38 < Surferdude> Looking for mikegrb or caker i presume? :P 16:38 < itamarjp> no 16:38 < itamarjp> Are you work at linode ? 16:38 < Surferdude> No, but they do 16:39 < itamarjp> do you have a vps at linode ? 16:39 < Surferdude> . 16:40 < Surferdude> Proud owner of a Linode 96. :) 16:40 < npmr> likewise 16:43 < Surferdude> No availability now... heh 16:54 < caker> http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/storage/disk/ds8000/index.html <-- Linode.com's new storage server (I wish) 16:55 < caker> the virtual tour thing is neat (flash) 17:03 < Surferdude> *drool* 17:03 * mikegrb flashes Surferdude 17:03 < Surferdude> Exceptional flexibility and scalability. The current physical storage capacity of the DS8000 series system can range from 1.1TB to 192TB of physical capacity, and it has an architecture designed to scale over a petabyte. 17:03 < Surferdude> that is cray. 192 TB 17:04 < Surferdude> *crazy 17:05 < EFudd> caker, at least a few years ago, various DataCenters were testing 'leasing' storage off of units like that DS8k to residents in the center.... 17:06 < EFudd> i can't imagine it was cost-effective for the end-user, but.... 17:07 < mikegrb> caker: "low cost on demand storage" 17:07 < mikegrb> caker: we need four 17:07 < caker> I've been looking at building a number of 16 or 24 disk SATA raid boxes w/ 3ware cards 17:07 < mikegrb> it goes to a petabyte 17:07 < Surferdude> "virtulization software allows you to run more than one ds8000 at at time" <----- Sounds right up caker's alley 17:07 < mikegrb> with extra cabinets for more disk 17:08 < caker> IBM has less expensive midlevel boxes starting at like $60k (DS4000, I think?) 17:08 < EFudd> You effectivly have 2 choices for disk at the enterprise level. 17:08 < EFudd> 1, build your own. 17:08 < EFudd> 2, buy something like an HDS 9200 lightning or equiv 17:08 < EFudd> er, entry-level enterprise, I should say. 17:08 < EFudd> 1 has it's own issues.... 17:08 < EFudd> 2 has cost. 17:08 < EFudd> but yeah, if I wre you, and oculd, I'd ponder those caker, or say, ntap units that support iscsi. 17:08 < EFudd> SAN isn't cost effective. 17:09 < EFudd> CIFS/NFS has performance issues 17:09 < mikegrb> cake 16:08:51 EFudd | but yeah, if I wre you, and oculd, I'd ponder those caker, or say, ntap units that support iscsi. 17:09 < mikegrb> er caker 17:09 < caker> I think SAN isn't an option for what I need to do 17:09 < mikegrb> iscsi! 17:09 < EFudd> iSCSI is an interim fit that should fit whatcher looking for. 17:09 < EFudd> caker, I agree. 17:09 < EFudd> Until HBAs are "standard" on mobo's like, uh, USB. 17:09 < EFudd> the corollary is that, well network is standard........... 17:09 < mikegrb> caker: the domains could talk straight to the storage server rather then going through the host at all! 17:09 < EFudd> That's just begging for trouble. 17:09 < EFudd> I wouldn't do /that/ 17:10 < mikegrb> heh 17:10 < EFudd> keep that abstracted from the lusers. 17:10 < caker> mikegrb: that's one way to do it -- but, the domains would have to run an initrd to do iscsi root 17:10 < mikegrb> ja 17:10 < EFudd> Uhm....... 17:10 < caker> looks like the fix for our Xen memory problem was just posted! 17:11 < EFudd> too bad NFS wouldn't quite do it...... 17:11 < EFudd> and too bad the product i'm thinking of doesn't do iscsi yet... 17:11 < EFudd> and also too bad I can't mention the damned company cause of NDA. cause it'd fit your pricerange/cabinet sizing requirements/performance levels 17:11 < caker> I admit, I'm a little leary of hardware RAID. My only experience with it wasn't so hot 17:11 < EFudd> Er. 17:11 < EFudd> Forget that. 17:11 < linbot> Okay. 17:11 < EFudd> You probably had shitty hardware. 17:12 < caker> EFudd: I think it was more lack of good Linux support (a Promise SCSI-wide-crazy-ultra-mega card thing a number of years ago) 17:12 < EFudd> Ugh 17:12 < EFudd> You said "promise". 17:12 < caker> SmartRAID, I think 17:12 < EFudd> It was most definately the hardware. linsux was just icing. 17:12 < EFudd> Right. 17:12 * BurtyB *hugs* 3ware 17:12 < EFudd> Anytime marketing attaches "smart" to something, be leary. 17:12 < caker> it's sitting in a box in my closet 17:13 < EFudd> 3ware is option #1. above... 17:13 < EFudd> which isn't really recommended, I guess. :) 17:13 < caker> what's not recommended?, build your own? 17:13 < EFudd> Yeah. 17:13 < caker> hmm .. for obvious reasons, I suppose 17:13 < EFudd> It's just a fucking pain adminstration wise. 17:13 < EFudd> cost is there, sure. 17:14 < EFudd> then again, the difference in $100k for 10TB and 10k for 10TB... 17:14 < caker> right 17:14 < caker> pretty close to that 17:14 -!- xptek [~xptek@71-33-27-16.bois.qwest.net] has joined #linode 17:14 < caker> We're at 8TB now just for existing plan levels + total usage 17:14 < EFudd> Yeah, and all on local-disk. 17:14 < caker> split between two DCs 17:14 < EFudd> Damn fucking pain. 17:15 < linbot> New news from forums: bad experience with credit card processing co.... in /dev/random 17:15 < EFudd> With that said. Small suggsetion caker. 17:15 < EFudd> Do not EVER boot your hosts from off-local-disk. 17:15 < caker> Plus, I'd really want redundancy down to the actual box, so that's 2x everything 17:15 < EFudd> It's just not worth the troubles you'll run into long-term. 17:15 < caker> EFudd: no diskless booting? 17:15 < EFudd> yup. correct. 17:15 < EFudd> I've seen wayyyy too strong arguments against it by our conslutting gods at Glasshouse. 17:15 < caker> ok, noted 17:15 < EFudd> "Neat Trick. Like a hat, and a rabbit." 17:16 < EFudd> with that said... 17:16 < EFudd> an OS on, say, a CF card, well, then it's ok to use over-the-net. 17:16 < Surferdude> lol 17:16 < mikegrb> lolz 17:16 < EFudd> you just always should be able to troubleshoot the physical hardware with 'local' boot options. 17:20 < caker> http://www.microdepotinc.com/full-size/8u/RMC8E-XP.jpg :) 17:20 < xptek> So, you guys expect to allow new orders tomorrow? 17:20 < caker> xptek: likely not, mabye in a week or so 17:21 < EFudd> caker, that's WAYY too many U's for that much disk. 17:21 < xptek> Bleh, alright. 17:21 < caker> I'll need to allocate one of the new boxes towards UML, instead of Xen beta testing accounts 17:21 < EFudd> Once you cross the ~24 disk capacity, the disks should reside top-accessible, vs front accessable. 17:21 < caker> xptek: what account are you looking for? 17:21 < xptek> I'm looking for the $19 one. 17:21 < xptek> Just for IRCd hosting. 17:21 < caker> EFudd: yeah, that's over the top -- I think most I'd do in one box is 12/16/24 17:22 < caker> xptek: one sec, let me see if I can open a slot 17:22 < xptek> Alright 17:23 < caker> xptek: ok, look again - better grab it quick 17:24 < xptek> Alright 17:24 * xptek goes 17:24 < xptek> Stupid verification email. 17:24 * xptek taps foot 17:28 < Surferdude> lol 17:28 < mikegrb> lolz 17:29 < Surferdude> What ircd are you using Xptec? 17:34 < xptek> Not sure yet. 17:34 < xptek> Alright, grabbed it.. lol 17:34 < mikegrb> lolz 17:36 < xptek> At this point I really don't have a favourite IRCd.. 17:36 < xptek> I've messed with them all..lol 17:36 < mikegrb> lolz 17:37 < Surferdude> Unreal works best IMO 17:37 -!- Sh8d0w [~Shadow@user-119ap3p.biz.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 17:37 < xptek> I use Unreal right now, but I've been watching InspIRCd closely. 17:37 < xptek> It has all the features that Unreal has, but it's modular. 17:39 < Surferdude> Hm... never heard of that one 17:39 < xptek> The first beta was released last week, but it's pretty new. 17:41 < mikegrb> hybrid rules all ;) 17:41 < xptek> lol 17:41 < mikegrb> lolz 17:41 < xptek> This Linode CP is pretty spiffy. :D 17:46 < tierra> caker calls it the LPM .. Linode Platform Manager 17:46 < tierra> and yeah, it's pretty nice 17:46 < caker> SmartLPM :) 17:46 < caker> j/k 17:46 < xptek> I call it ownage. ;) 17:46 < tierra> definately 17:46 < caker> xptek: word 17:46 < Surferdude> lol 17:46 < mikegrb> lolz 17:47 < mikegrb> SmartCake 17:47 * mikegrb just had strawberry shortcake 17:47 < mikegrb> mmm cake 17:47 < Surferdude> lol 17:47 < mikegrb> lolz 17:47 < mikegrb> now to step outside for some 'fresh' air 17:47 < Surferdude> Speaking of fresh air.... hmmm 17:48 < Surferdude> !weather 19002 17:48 < linbot> Surferdude: The current temperature in Ambler, Pennsylvania (19002) is 65°F (4:55 PM EDT on April 14, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 31°F. Wind: ENE at 13 mph (20 km/h). Pressure: 30.05 in (1018 hPa). Visibility: 7.0 miles (11.3 kilometers). UV: 3 out of 16 17:49 < xptek> !weather 83709 17:49 < linbot> xptek: The current temperature in Boise, Idaho (83709) is 48°F (2:53 PM MDT on April 14, 2005). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 25°F. Pressure: 30.28 in (1025 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 8 out of 16 17:49 < xptek> Lovely. 17:49 < Surferdude> mmm.... probably should get on my bike. Gotta run the mile this coming monday >_> 17:49 < xptek> I want 65Updated: ImageMagick.i386 0:6.0.7.1-10 curl.i386 0:7.12.1-5.rhel4 gdk-pixbuf.i386 1:0.22.0-16.el4 gtk2.i386 0:2.4.13-14 krb5-libs.i386 0:1.3.4-12 mysql.i386 0:4.1.10a-1.RHEL4.1 mysql-server.i386 0:4.1.10a-1.RHEL4.1 telnet.i386 1:0.17-31.EL4.2 up2date.i386 0:4.4.5.6-2.centos4 17:49 < xptek> Complete! 17:49 < xptek> [root@li11-195 ~]# 17:49 < xptek> errrr 17:49 < xptek> Wrong paste. :D 17:49 < Surferdude> lolo 17:49 < Surferdude> what distro are you using? 17:49 -!- Newsome [~sorenson@obelix.cs.byu.edu] has left #linode [Leaving] 17:50 < xptek> CentOS right now, since I'm familiar with it. 17:50 < xptek> I'll probably look at something else if I have time 17:50 < Surferdude> heh, ditto 17:59 < Surferdude> stupid question: whats the diffrence between apt-get and yum? 17:59 < SupaZubon> yum is the yellowdog port of apt-get to RPMs 17:59 < SupaZubon> most apt-get distros have more packages available though 18:00 < Surferdude> oh 18:00 < SupaZubon> since the RPM-derived distros work by selling you CDs 18:00 < SupaZubon> neale is also | on his way to being the new jordanb 18:00 < SupaZubon> mcm 18:00 < SupaZubon> sorry 18:14 -!- Redgore [redgore@195.38.75.8] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:35 -!- randallman [~rshutt@207.96.50.10] has joined #linode 18:35 < randallman> Hallo 18:35 < randallman> Anyone here having serious speed issues with thier linode right about now? 18:35 < randallman> Caker around? 18:36 < caker> randallman: you're 180M into swap and have hit the IO limiter 18:36 < randallman> Oh nifty :) 18:36 < randallman> Thanks :) 18:37 -!- jekil [~alessandr@host111-163.pool8256.interbusiness.it] has joined #linode 18:37 < randallman> swap swap swap 18:37 < randallman> Ya know the best part is, Im not doing *anything* on the machine most of the time :) 18:37 < randallman> ahh spamd and apache are eating memory 18:38 < randallman> mysql isnt being exactly kind either 18:39 < Surferdude> Linode 64? 18:39 < randallman> 128 18:40 < randallman> *shrug* 18:40 < Surferdude> Weird 18:40 < randallman> Thing is, all I do on the host is run horde, qmail, spam assassin, and mysql 18:40 < randallman> for 1 user :0 18:40 < randallman> since optimumonline wont let me host smtp locally 18:40 < caker> randallman: http://www.theshore.net/~caker/uml/my.cnf <-- mysql config for small memory footprint 18:41 < ironie> what distro? 18:41 < randallman> deb 18:41 < randallman> woody 18:41 < randallman> I have a similar but not identical mysql conf 18:41 -!- thoth39 [~hm@200217145136.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #linode 18:41 < caker> cool 18:41 < randallman> Ill merge that with mine, thanks caker 18:41 < ironie> go figure i run all that plus on a 64 and sometimes it does thrash. but no more hten i would expect 18:41 < Godsey> cogent just called me @ work :) 18:42 < randallman> spamd looks to be eating an inordinate amount of ram as well 18:42 < Godsey> asked if we were interested in $2200/mo for 100Meg and a cabner 18:42 < randallman> I didnt realize that there were limits to how hard I could trash my linode :) 18:42 < Godsey> er cabnet 18:42 < Godsey> I wonder how they make any money 18:42 < BurtyB> i thought it was clognet? 18:42 < caker> randallman: yeah, there's a token-bucket limiter on IO requests to keep thrashers from storming the entire host 18:43 < randallman> :) :) sorry 18:43 < caker> hehe 18:43 < randallman> I didnt mean to be a thrasher! ;p 18:43 < caker> swap happens. 18:43 < randallman> esp. in 128M 18:43 < randallman> :) 18:43 < BurtyB> nout wrong with abit of thrash :P 18:44 < Godsey> long as you're not in the same room as the drives it's ok right? 18:44 < randallman> Oh nice 18:44 < randallman> I have a spamd zombified 18:44 < randallman> root 11883 239 0 Apr12 ? 00:00:05 [spamd] 18:44 < Godsey> kill it's parent, it's a bad family! 18:44 < randallman> Yeah 18:44 < randallman> fambly 18:47 < EFudd> randall, spampd/spamd is a nasty nasty memory hog. 18:47 < EFudd> it uses up ~100mb of memory on my -192... switch to dspam :) 18:48 < randallman> dspam? 18:48 < randallman> fudd heh 18:48 < randallman> Long time no see 18:48 < EFudd> google, y0. 18:48 < EFudd> laugh. 18:48 < EFudd> ~30 minutes! 18:48 < randallman> haw 18:48 * EFudd types /lastlog 18:48 < EFudd> o. 1.5hrs. 18:48 < randallman> Yeah go figure 18:48 < randallman> time keeps on slippin, into the future 18:48 < EFudd> i've yet to switch to dspam, but intend to. 18:49 < randallman> ahh dspam replaces all of spam assassin? 18:49 < EFudd> each of my spampd's, 6 currently spawned, use ~13-20Mb of memory each. 18:49 < EFudd> yeah, and is supposedly much better. 18:49 < randallman> Yeah 18:49 < EFudd> but /shrug. 18:49 < EFudd> afk. 18:49 < randallman> I didnt bother to see if it were all shared mem or whatevre 18:49 < randallman> but it hogs :) 19:03 < randallman> Anyway, thanks cake 19:03 < randallman> r 19:04 < randallman> It was so I/O bound I couldnt even get in to debug what was going on :) 19:04 < randallman> Catch ya around 19:04 -!- randallman [~rshutt@207.96.50.10] has quit [Quit: later] 19:12 -!- HarleyPig [~414971a2@linode.com] has joined #linode 19:15 < HarleyPig> Any chance of Linode accepting paypal payments? 19:17 < tjfontaine> not in the near future, but you can use a virtual paypal cc 19:17 < HarleyPig> What is a virtual pp cc? 19:17 < itamarjp> how to use virtual paypal cc ? 19:18 < tjfontaine> it's a virtual credit card, I redirect you to the paypal.com site for information 19:32 < BurtyB> are the dns resolvers down atm 216.156.129.65 19:32 < BurtyB> and .65 .. neither seem to be replying 19:32 < BurtyB> err 66 19:39 < caker> BurtyB: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1164 19:39 * BurtyB searched for resolver and found nout 19:39 * BurtyB will ammend 19:50 -!- tizen [tiz@ADent8215.ResNet.Dal.Ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:51 -!- tizen [tiz@ADent8215.ResNet.Dal.Ca] has joined #linode 19:52 -!- tizen [tiz@ADent8215.ResNet.Dal.Ca] has quit [Quit: ] 19:53 -!- StephenV [sdjv100@213-232-83-160.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53 -!- HarleyPig [~414971a2@linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:54 -!- tizen [tiz@ADent8215.ResNet.Dal.Ca] has joined #linode 20:12 -!- Newsome [~sorenson@byu-gw.customer.csolutions.net] has joined #linode 20:13 -!- spr [~spr@ramona.cs.byu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:21 -!- weasel [weasel@weasel.noc.oftc.net] has quit [orion.oftc.net nova.oftc.net] 20:21 -!- sunny [sunny@opencurve.org] has quit [orion.oftc.net nova.oftc.net] 20:32 < Surferdude> anyone farmiliar with getafreelancer.com? 20:36 < linbot> New news from forums: Backup in Sales Questions and Answers 20:37 < caker> :/ 20:38 < BurtyB> lol "cake" 20:38 < mikegrb> lolz 20:38 < BurtyB> damn you mikegrb 20:38 < Newsome> author "cake" ? 20:39 < caker> thief! 20:39 < Surferdude> caker should ban him for stealing his nick 20:39 < Surferdude> lol 20:39 < mikegrb> lolz 20:39 < SupaZubon> er. 20:39 -!- SupaZubon is now known as caken 20:39 < caken> Hi 20:40 < caken> I'm the president and CEO of Lirode! 20:40 < Surferdude> ;p; 20:40 < Surferdude> lol 20:40 < mikegrb> lolz 20:41 < caker> caken: clay aken (my ears are aken)? 20:41 -!- sunny [sunny@opencurve.org] has joined #linode 20:41 -!- weasel [weasel@seppia.noreply.org] has joined #linode 20:41 < caken> caker: clay oven? 20:41 < Newsome> cloven? 20:41 -!- weasel is now known as Guest412 20:41 * BurtyB wonders if anyone here has comments on rfc3865... to me it just seems a way for spammers to get a list of domain names accepted by the mail server reconnect with HELO and spam them 20:41 * Surferdude dosnt think thats an action :P 20:42 < caken> Free Lirodes for everybody! 20:42 < Surferdude> woot! 20:42 < caken> caker: Lirode is switching to Zan! 20:42 < caken> caker: It used to run Unified Modeling Language 20:42 -!- Guest412 is now known as weasel 20:42 * Newsome requests a Lirode 4095 20:43 < caker> caken: yes, with unlimited drive geometry 20:43 < caken> I know!!! 20:43 < caken> Non-euclidian! 20:43 -!- Surferdude is now known as grebz0rz 20:43 < grebz0rz> :P 20:43 < caken> grebz0rz: <3 20:43 < caken> It's Bizarro Day in #linode 20:43 < caken> Everybody Wang Chung! 20:43 < caker> !leet [weather 37211] 20:43 < linbot> caker: 7h3 curr3n+ +3mp3r@ur3 !n N45hv!113, 73nn35533 (37211) !z 66°F (6:53 PM CD7 0n 4pr!1 14, 2005). C0nd!+!0nz: C134r. Hum!d!+y: 35%. D3w P0!n+: 37°F. W!nd: NN3 @ 10 mph (17 km/h). Pr355ur3: 30.07 !n (1018 hP4). V!5!b!1!+y: 10.0 m!13z (16.1 k!10m3+3rz). UV: 0 0u+ 0f 16 20:44 < caker> warm 20:44 -!- Newsome is now known as InfiniteImprobability 20:44 < thoth39> I'd be more happy if this upgrade thing would work. 20:44 * caker is now known as AuthenticReproduction 20:45 < mikegrb> InfiniteImprobability: :D 20:46 -!- InfiniteImprobability is now known as CakesRUs 20:46 -!- caken is now known as SupaZubon 20:46 < caker> shake your zubons 20:46 < SupaZubon> :D 20:46 * SupaZubon Wang Chungs 20:46 -!- CakesRUs is now known as Newsome 20:47 -!- grebz0rz is now known as Surferdude 20:51 < linbot> New news from forums: For Sale - Unused Linode64 with 4.5 GB storage to 30 Sep 05 in Sales Questions and Answers 20:51 -!- jekil [~alessandr@host111-163.pool8256.interbusiness.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54 < mikegrb> omg 20:54 < mikegrb> EFudd posted to the forums! 20:55 * mikegrb writes it down on the calendar 20:55 < encode> l o l 20:55 < encode> (to avoid the annoying script) 20:55 < SupaZubon> encode: alas, you didn't avoid being annoying by using "LOL" 20:55 < mikegrb> lolz 20:55 < encode> whats annoying about using that particular term? 20:56 < encode> how else can i express my mirth at what was said? 20:56 < linbot> you gotta fight for your right to lol 20:56 < mikegrb> lolz 20:56 < mikegrb> you could say "that was mirthy" 20:56 * mikegrb runs away 20:56 < encode> yeah 20:56 < encode> but that takes too long to write 20:57 * encode ehareby proposes a new acronynm 20:57 < encode> twm 20:57 < encode> which is equivalent to laughing out loud 20:57 < itamarjp> anyone running cpanel + whm on a linode ? 20:57 < caker> itamarjp: maybe one or two people, none in here that I'm aware of 20:57 < SupaZubon> encode: but "lol" specifically states that it was SO FUNNY that you laughed OUT LOUD so that it actually INTERRUPTED other people 20:58 < mikegrb> lolz 20:58 < encode> ok then 20:58 < itamarjp> caker, how to patch a kernel with io limiter ? 20:59 < encode> but if i say twm, then ppl arent gonna know wtf im talking about 20:59 < caker> itamarjp: cd linux-2.6.10; patch -p1 < path/to/token.patch 20:59 < caker> itamarjp: it doesn't work for 2.6.11 and higher yet 20:59 < itamarjp> there are patches for 2.4.27-1um ? 21:00 < caker> yes 21:00 < caker> same patch, I belive works fine 21:00 < caker> itamarjp: http://www.theshore.net/~caker/uml/patches/token-limiter-v3.patch 21:00 < encode> what advantage is there for me to install a kernal with the io limiter? 21:00 < encode> on my linode 21:01 < caker> encode: kidding? 21:01 < encode> err, no, just tired 21:01 < caker> encode: all the Linode kernels have the limiter 21:01 -!- spr [~spr@byu176783wks.rn.byu.edu] has joined #linode 21:02 < encode> oh ok 21:02 * encode is confused, and keeps quiet 21:02 < itamarjp> what´s your mail caker ? 21:02 < caker> itamarjp: why? 21:03 < itamarjp> I will try this patch on my vps. 21:03 < SupaZubon> whoa, did itamarjp just use a Latin-15 microsoft-apostrophe? 21:04 < itamarjp> +int token_refill = 2000;// add this many tokens to the bucket every second 21:04 < itamarjp> +int token_delay = 1000000000 / 2000; 21:04 < itamarjp> +int token_max = 60000; // max tokens in bucket 21:04 < itamarjp> +int io_tokens = 60000; // token bucket 21:04 < itamarjp> +int io_count_last = 0; // snapshot of io_count last time in io_alarm() 21:04 < itamarjp> +int io_rate = 0; // calculated io ops per second 21:04 * mikegrb apostrophe's SupaZubon 21:04 < itamarjp> this is configs for io limiter ? 21:04 < caker> itamarjp: take this to #uml, please -- I'll respond there 21:06 -!- tierra [~tierra@dsl093-225-126.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Quit: Everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die.] 21:07 < itamarjp> thanks for your help. 21:07 < caker> itamarjp: np 21:07 < itamarjp> caker 22:19 -!- Surferdude [~Surferdud@pcp08365167pcs.lndsd201.pa.comcast.net] has left #linode [] 22:24 -!- FesterCouples [~ronpoz@ool-18b88fb8.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #linode 22:26 -!- tjfontaine [~tjfontain@cassiopeia.atxconsulting.com] has left #linode [] 22:26 -!- tjfontaine [~tjfontain@cassiopeia.atxconsulting.com] has joined #linode 22:31 -!- jaxn [~jaxn@pcp0011166081pcs.pennington.tn.nash.comcast.net] has joined #linode 22:32 < jaxn> is anyone else having problems with the nameservers resolving domain names on your linode? 22:32 -!- dtrumb [~dtrumb@207-118-190-88.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #linode 22:34 < mikegrb> jaxn: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1164 <-- ? 22:41 < jaxn> yeah, I remember that 22:42 < jaxn> this just started (and I am using DNS, and those are my nameservers) 22:42 < jaxn> (double checking) 22:44 < jaxn> well, I only had one nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf 22:45 < jaxn> I added all three and it seems to work (but the 12.96.160.115 host is up) 22:45 < jaxn> thanks though 22:54 -!- MrX [freebsd@219.95.7.77] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:55 -!- ppdorapa2 [LinodeJava@46-210-114-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #linode 22:56 < ppdorapa2> hi pple 22:56 < ppdorapa2> caker are you there ? 22:59 -!- thoth39 [~hm@200217145136.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:03 -!- ppdorapa2 [LinodeJava@46-210-114-200.fibertel.com.ar] has quit [Quit: ppdorapa2] 23:17 < itamarjp> anyone running cpanel on linode / 23:17 < itamarjp> ? 23:22 < bob2> (ew) 23:23 < encode> twm 23:23 < dtrumb> Too expensive 23:24 < encode> yeah 23:24 < encode> sif pay for something that u can do yourself for free 23:24 < encode> there are oss alternatives 23:24 < dtrumb> webmin virtualmin 23:31 < itamarjp> yeah 23:38 -!- FesterCouples [~ronpoz@ool-18b88fb8.dyn.optonline.net] has left #linode [] 23:52 -!- jaxn [~jaxn@pcp0011166081pcs.pennington.tn.nash.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Log closed Thu Apr 14 23:59:00 2005