--- Day changed --- Log opened Wed May 04 23:59:03 2005 00:08 -!- FesterCouples [~ronpoz@ool-18b88fb8.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:36 -!- TheQ [~TheQ@dial4a-65.btc-bci.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:04 -!- bdash [~mrowe@ipa126.dsl.quik.co.nz] has quit [Quit: bdash] 01:04 -!- superdave591 [~superdave@danders5.cs.uiuc.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:30 -!- ThatBPGuy [~bp@shepley.geekdom.net] has joined #linode 01:33 < ThatBPGuy> Anyone know of any problems w/ host11? 01:40 < scanline> host40 still sick I assume? My linode is still having the no-booting problem 01:44 < JasonF> mine is working now, scanline 01:44 < JasonF> might wanna file a ticket with caker 01:44 < JasonF> I had to, to get mine to boot 01:50 -!- ThatBPGuy [~bp@shepley.geekdom.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting!] 01:53 -!- bdash [~mrowe@60-234-144-250.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #linode 02:15 -!- spr [~spr@c-67-161-219-228.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:19 -!- tierra [~tierra@dsl093-225-126.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Quit: bug, n: A son of a glitch.] 02:37 -!- Electric1lf [~david@clanspum.net] has joined #linode 02:51 -!- ElectricElf [~david@electricelf.noc.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 1200 seconds] 03:52 -!- scanline_ [~micah@128.138.74.40] has joined #linode 03:52 -!- scanline [~micah@128.138.74.40] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:56 -!- jekil [~alessandr@host44-170.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has joined #linode 04:13 -!- Electric1lf [~david@clanspum.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:13 -!- ElectricElf [~david@electricelf.noc.oftc.net] has joined #linode 04:23 -!- taupehat_ [~42f15bca@linode.com] has joined #linode 04:23 < taupehat_> ! 04:23 * taupehat_ is here again, second time today... something's up! 04:23 < taupehat_> host is holding my reboot in queue 04:23 < taupehat_> (15) 04:24 < taupehat_> "Waiting on host" for a lot longer than 30 seconds =[ 04:25 < taupehat_> I will turn off spamd when it comes back up 04:25 < taupehat_> can't think of what else I can do without here 04:29 < taupehat_> an 04:29 < taupehat_> reboot is still "waiting on host" 04:29 < taupehat_> this thing is thrashing badly 04:29 < taupehat_> apache, mysql, postfix 04:29 < taupehat_> shouldn't be hurting so bad 04:34 < taupehat_> still not rebooting - I'm stuck! 04:34 -!- taupehat_ [~42f15bca@linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:34 -!- taupehat_ [~42f15bca@linode.com] has joined #linode 04:34 < taupehat_> =[ 04:40 < taupehat_> wow 04:40 < taupehat_> it started 04:40 < taupehat_> more than 19 minutes after I initiated it 04:40 < taupehat_> eek 04:40 -!- gloin [~heh@taupehat.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:48 -!- gloin [~heh@taupehat.com] has joined #linode 04:49 < gloin> meep 04:51 -!- taupehat_ [~42f15bca@linode.com] has left #linode [] 05:04 -!- taupehat [~42f15bca@linode.com] has joined #linode 05:05 -!- taupehat [~42f15bca@linode.com] has left #linode [] 05:06 -!- NeonNero [neonnero@home.neonnero.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:58 -!- NeonNero [neonnero@home.neonnero.net] has joined #linode 07:25 -!- alnr [mdkuser@cpe-69-200-85-107.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 07:32 -!- adamg [~misthos@cpc1-cdif4-3-0-cust111.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:57 -!- adamg [~misthos@cpc1-cdif4-3-0-cust111.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #linode 09:02 -!- rafx [~rafx@adsl-65-42-93-139.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #linode 09:02 < rafx> any news on the status of xen? 09:19 -!- jekil [~alessandr@host44-170.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:21 -!- thoth39 [~hm@200.141.233.90] has joined #linode 09:28 -!- tsi [~tsi@ninja.projectmayhem.org] has joined #linode 09:29 < tsi> so hey! how about those reboots! woo! 09:29 < tsi> how come outages/power failures always come two days after billing, such that we forget about it the next time a charge shows up? 09:36 < adamg> rafx: 09:36 < adamg> [20:00] any idea when xen might hit production at linode? 09:36 < adamg> [20:05] well 09:36 < adamg> [20:05] I have enough to keep my busy with the private beta test going on 09:36 < adamg> [20:05] after that, we'll do the public beta for a few weeks, and then into production 09:36 < rafx> thanks 09:37 -!- ElectricElf [~david@electricelf.noc.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:37 -!- ElectricElf [~david@electricelf.noc.oftc.net] has joined #linode 09:43 -!- GN [~tfrevert@pat.foulston.com] has joined #linode 09:53 -!- Redgore [redgore@195.38.75.214] has joined #linode 10:37 -!- jekil [~alessandr@host44-170.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has joined #linode 10:40 -!- Newsome [~sorenson@obelix.cs.byu.edu] has joined #linode 11:01 -!- bdash [~mrowe@60-234-144-250.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Quit: bdash] 11:02 -!- rafx [~rafx@adsl-65-42-93-139.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:08 -!- emcnabb [~emcnabb@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com] has joined #linode 11:08 -!- emcnabb [~emcnabb@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com] has quit [Quit: ] 11:40 -!- jh_ [~jason@69.144.85.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41 -!- TheQ [~TheQ@dial4a-191.btc-bci.com] has joined #linode 11:41 < TheQ> is the person made of cake in 11:41 < mikegrb> mmm cake 11:42 < TheQ> !seen caker 11:42 < linbot> TheQ: caker was last seen here 12 hours, 38 minutes, and 11 seconds ago saying: that's what we'll do eventually, but for now I want to get it back online 11:44 -!- jh_ [~jason@69.144.85.206] has joined #linode 11:55 -!- spr [~spr@ramona.cs.byu.edu] has joined #linode 11:55 < TheQ> look 11:55 < TheQ> its a plaNE 11:55 < TheQ> its a birdie 12:03 < tsi> man I can't even search /last for info about the crash 12:06 < gloin> cake 12:06 < mikegrb> mmm cake 12:06 -!- thoth39 [~hm@200.141.233.90] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:07 < JasonF> tsi: what crash? 12:12 < JasonF> oh, host40 :) 12:13 < JasonF> I'm under the impression that the reboot was because a fsck was required, not b/c the drive went bad 12:13 < kvandivo> such language! 12:13 -!- linbot [~supybot@ns.theshore.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:15 < gloin> kvandivo: fsck has been a 4-letter word for me at times... 12:19 < TheQ> I got in trouble for wearing a shirt to school that says "Just fsck it" 12:20 < gloin> hah! 12:20 < TheQ> I had to put tape over fsck 12:20 < gloin> now that's funny 12:21 < SupaZubon> ha ha 12:22 < SupaZubon> I suppose French Connection UK clothes are bad as well? 12:23 < mikegrb> yes 12:24 < mikegrb> because they are french 12:24 * mikegrb runs 12:24 < gloin> ! 12:24 < TheQ> we had to do an essay on what we would do if we were president i said i would nuke the french if they continued refusing to bathe 12:24 < gloin> F 12:25 < SupaZubon> You rebel, you. 12:25 < gloin> If you're going to rip on them, at least be clever. 12:25 < SupaZubon> MAKE WITH THE FUNNY 12:25 < gloin> The French obsession with something called "fine wine" presents opportunities. 12:25 < kvandivo> clever, as in http://www.bazoomer.com 12:26 < gloin> or as in http://www.something.com 12:26 < TheQ> i saw a wierd independant film about france last night on HBO 12:27 < SupaZubon> TheQ: was it rated NC-17? 12:27 < gloin> last tango in paris 12:27 < TheQ> no it was R 12:27 < TheQ> but it should of been NC-17 as much nudity there was 12:27 -!- jekil [~alessandr@host44-170.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:27 < kvandivo> ok, yoda 12:28 -!- scorpion [~andreyv@m257-pc03.ece.ubc.ca] has left #linode [] 12:28 < tjfontaine> much nudity there was 12:28 < gloin> get me the butter, you will. 12:28 < tjfontaine> who's your favorite indie director? Geroge Lucas. 12:28 -!- iggy [~iggy@12.45.184.235] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:29 < gloin> lol 12:29 < mikegrb> lolz 12:29 < gloin> argh 12:29 < gloin> rofl 12:29 < mikegrb> roflz 12:29 < tjfontaine> you shall be broken of it eventually 12:29 < JasonF> I should make a script 12:29 -!- iggy [~iggy@12.45.184.235] has joined #linode 12:29 < tjfontaine> JasonF: no, no you shouldn't 12:29 < JasonF> that says "lol" when "lolz" is said 12:29 < mikegrb> lolz 12:29 < gloin> haha 12:29 < JasonF> so then me and mike will get in a scriptwar 12:29 < mikegrb> and then get kicked? 12:29 < gloin> yep 12:29 < gloin> was thinking that 12:29 < mikegrb> I always win. 12:29 * JasonF kicks mikegrb 12:29 < npmr> JasonF, you should get linbot in on the action 12:29 * mikegrb checks 12:30 < JasonF> Kick a paying customer? Cakeman might not like that. 12:30 < mikegrb> I'm still here 12:30 < gloin> JasonF: it's better to get 3 bots involved in the scriptwar 12:30 < gloin> oh come on 12:30 < npmr> lolz 12:30 < TheQ> i think soaps should be banned. 12:30 < npmr> linbot, he did it again 12:30 < TheQ> such bad acting 12:30 < npmr> lol 12:30 < mikegrb> lolz 12:30 < gloin> if you troll the IRC channel, he'll have every right to toss out you 12:30 < gloin> toss you out 12:31 < JasonF> having a script that does this 12:31 < JasonF> lol 12:31 < mikegrb> lolz 12:31 < JasonF> and this 12:31 < JasonF> rofl 12:31 < mikegrb> roflz 12:31 < JasonF> and this 12:31 < JasonF> cake 12:31 < mikegrb> mmm cake 12:31 < JasonF> er 12:31 < JasonF> isn't trolling? 12:31 < JasonF> :p 12:31 < mikegrb> no 12:31 < mikegrb> it is educating 12:31 < gloin> if you start s scriptwar it would be 12:31 < gloin> lol 12:31 < mikegrb> lolz 12:32 < TheQ> i need to think of a domain to buy 12:32 < mikegrb> buymenow.com 12:32 < npmr> hashbang.sh 12:32 < gloin> whitehouse.info 12:32 < TheQ> b33r.net 12:32 < npmr> if .sh domains were cheaper, i'd register it 12:32 < gloin> aww 12:33 < gloin> whitehouse.info redirects to "house.com" 12:33 < gloin> darn realtors 12:33 < TheQ> i remember when i visited whitehouse.gov and some hacker turned in into a porn site just after the lewinsky stuff 12:34 < JasonF> whitehouse.com is a porn site 12:34 < JasonF> you may have gone there by mistake 12:34 < TheQ> i think i may get sonofabi.sh 12:35 < gloin> shabang.cx 12:35 < JasonF> how about 12:35 < JasonF> shh.sh 12:35 < gloin> =-] 12:35 < npmr> configure.sh 12:36 < GN> !lol? 12:36 < mikegrb> lolz 12:36 < tjfontaine> linbot is dead 12:36 < GN> noooooo 12:36 < GN> :( 12:36 < npmr> linbot, love me! 12:36 < mikegrb> puhwhahahah 12:36 < TheQ> rawr.com 12:36 < npmr> :< 12:37 < GN> is there any reason to allow any forwarding in iptables for a simple web host? 12:37 < gloin> no 12:37 < gloin> except for interprocess communication 12:37 < npmr> why would that require forwarding/ 12:37 < npmr> ? 12:38 * mikegrb forwards npmr to the moon 12:38 < npmr> giftwrapped? 12:38 -!- sec39` [commando@croompc.lrdc.pitt.edu] has joined #linode 12:38 < gloin> mod_mime.info 12:38 < npmr> libc.so 12:38 < TheQ> i got a sweet domain 12:38 < TheQ> command.com 12:39 < JasonF> that one has to be taken already 12:39 < npmr> are you mark darlington? 12:39 < TheQ> damn 12:39 < GN> yourmom.com 12:40 < npmr> yomama.com SOA record not found, server failure 12:40 < TheQ> buttse.cx 12:40 < GN> goatse.cx 12:40 < JasonF> havesexwith.us 12:40 < JasonF> :) 12:40 < gloin> hahaha 12:41 < gloin> that's actually funny 12:41 < GN> nice 12:41 < JasonF> if .us domains weren't like $30/yr, I might even reg that 12:41 < npmr> they.made.me.do.it 12:41 < TheQ> goatse.cx was great. If only you got to see the face of all the newbs you refer there for free porn 12:42 < gloin> .us domains are 5 bucks a year 12:42 < gloin> where you been 12:42 < npmr> do.it does not exist, try again 12:42 < mikegrb> .us was free 12:42 < TheQ> yea it was 12:42 < TheQ> i miss those days 12:43 < mikegrb> I don't 12:43 < mikegrb> I had to track down somebody and email them to register a .us domain 12:43 < TheQ> why? 12:43 < mikegrb> it took like three weeks 12:43 < gloin> lol 12:43 < mikegrb> lolz 12:43 < gloin> hey 12:43 < gloin> I was laughing out loud! 12:45 < NeonNero> JasonF: .us are $7.95 a year at godaddy.com, might be even cheaper at other places 12:46 < npmr> .chi.il.us are free 12:46 < NeonNero> (actually, i couldn't care less, since i can't get one myself) 12:46 < TheQ> why are chicago ones free 12:46 < JasonF> gidaddy=rape 12:47 < NeonNero> JasonF: how so? 12:48 < JasonF> their tos says that at any time they can take ownership of your domain 12:48 < NeonNero> i've been using them for the last 4 years (-ish), not a single problem 12:48 < npmr> TheQ, because the whole .us ccTLD used to be that way, but used to be hierarchical 12:48 < npmr> TheQ, the old hierarchical structure is grandfathered in 12:48 * NeonNero checks 12:49 < npmr> TheQ, many of the old local registries are free 12:49 < npmr> probably most 12:49 < JasonF> i've known ppl who it happened to 12:49 < TheQ> i should do area51.nm.us 12:49 < NeonNero> i have 46 domains registered with godaddy by now, and i don't plan to stop there 12:49 < TheQ> or nv 12:49 < TheQ> forget where it is 12:49 < npmr> nv 12:50 < TheQ> sell subdomains to idiots who think they are aliens 12:50 < NeonNero> hehe 12:52 < NeonNero> JasonF: where does it say that, specifically? 12:53 < TheQ> how about gomommy.com 12:54 < npmr> Registered through: GoDaddy.com 12:54 < npmr> Domain Name: GOMOMMY.COM 12:54 < npmr> Created on: 17-Dec-99 12:54 < TheQ> damn 12:54 < npmr> TheQ, do you even know how to check? 12:54 -!- pclissold [~peter@sassenheim.clissold.nl] has joined #linode 12:54 < TheQ> yea 12:54 < TheQ> whois.net 12:54 < npmr> too lazy? 12:54 < TheQ> yea 12:55 < TheQ> skewlsu.cx 12:55 < TheQ> !seen caker 12:56 < tsi> i'm so lazy that 12:56 < npmr> http://www.nic.us/register/delegated_subdomains.txt <-- i have no idea if this is up-to-date or not 12:57 < NeonNero> i see it, template used for gomommy.com tells me that they're reselling through wildwestdomains.com, which is owned by godaddy.com 12:57 < NeonNero> cute 12:58 < TheQ> hah the place i work owns the local one 12:59 < JasonF> I use registerfly 12:59 < JasonF> I *hated* my wildwest reseller (something like domains4cheap) 12:59 < GN> i use netsol.com 12:59 < gloin> I've got the one JasonF hates 12:59 < gloin> they're ok now 12:59 < mikegrb> I use godaddy, even though they use winders 13:00 < gloin> something like cheapdomainregistration 13:00 < JasonF> regfly is awesome 13:00 < gloin> godaddy! 13:00 * gloin has kicked mikegrb in the shins! 13:00 < tsi> i used to use discountdomainregistry, now i use dotster 13:00 < mikegrb> who's your daddy? 13:00 < tsi> but i wouldn't recommend dotster 13:00 < tsi> i'd use godaddy if it weren't such a pain to switch registrars 13:00 < TheQ> i use godaddy 13:01 < gloin> I use jomamma 13:01 < tsi> also, dotster finally fixed their crappy control panel 13:01 < tsi> unfortunately, they send out a metric fuckton of spam 13:01 < gloin> wow 13:01 < gloin> I get one email per year from my registrar 13:01 < tsi> that's how it ought to be 13:01 < gloin> "It's time to send us six dollars. Thanks." 13:01 < JasonF> I get 1 a week, and b/c I don't opt out 13:02 < tsi> i miss the old days when you wouldn't get any email, just a letter from netsol in the mail 13:02 < JasonF> and b/c sometimes they have bitchin' deals 13:02 < gloin> no thanks tsi 13:02 < npmr> i just register them myself 13:02 < gloin> don't forget all the overhead that went with that 13:02 < JasonF> like transfers for $3.99 13:02 * BurtyB doesnt miss international calls to netsol to fix screwups 13:02 < tsi> and faxes 13:02 < tsi> they live for faxes 13:02 < tsi> on letterhead 13:02 < gloin> I don't miss having to send in a notorized affadavit of ownership when changing registrars 13:03 < GN> fax me a photo of you with todays newspaper plus your id 13:03 < tsi> yeah, but at least at $99/domain, there weren't twelve year olds registering every combination of your last name 13:03 < gloin> lol 13:03 < mikegrb> lolz 13:03 < tsi> tsisucks.com tsilicksballz.com fucktsi.com 13:03 < TheQ> l0l 13:03 * tsi not real last name, obviously 13:04 < gloin> sed s/\<\@mikegrb\> lolz/ /g & 13:04 < TheQ> www.microsu.cx 13:05 < TheQ> mike you still here 13:05 < gloin> he's trying to figure out how to overcome my uber-one-three-three-seven sed skillz so he can have me see him say "lolz" 13:06 < TheQ> lol\ 13:06 < TheQ> lol 13:06 < gloin> or, he's pinging out 13:12 -!- jekil [~alessandr@host44-170.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has joined #linode 13:17 < GN> sed -V 13:40 < TheQ> too quiet... you all must be watching porn 13:41 < gloin> by grabthor's hammer! 13:41 -!- NeonNero [neonnero@home.neonnero.net] has quit [Quit: Everybody who believes in telekinesis, raise my hand!] 13:44 -!- tierra [~tierra@dsl093-225-126.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #linode 13:50 < TheQ> i hearby summon the person made of cake 13:50 < mikegrb> mmm cake 13:50 < gloin> not him 13:51 < TheQ> i can make mike talk and not talk 13:51 < TheQ> lol 13:51 < mikegrb> lolz 13:51 < TheQ> lol 14:23 < tsi> what, is there a null or something after the second l? 14:23 < tsi> or a control character in between the o and l? 14:24 -!- scanline_ [~micah@128.138.74.40] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:28 -!- NeonNero [neonnero@home.neonnero.net] has joined #linode 14:44 -!- gloin [~heh@taupehat.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:47 -!- gloin [~heh@taupehat.com] has joined #linode 15:00 -!- superdave591 [~superdave@danders5.cs.uiuc.edu] has joined #linode 15:00 < TheQ> oh my where oh where is the caker 15:05 < fo0bar> damn spam and secondary mailservers 15:07 < BurtyB> you dont antispam/virus em all? 15:11 -!- pdx6 [~ballew@screen.sublinear.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:11 -!- ElectricElf [~david@electricelf.noc.oftc.net] has quit [Killed (cryogen (Re-identify!))] 15:11 -!- pdx6 [~ballew@screen.sublinear.net] has joined #linode 15:12 -!- ElectricElf [~david@ElectricElf.chair.oftc.net] has joined #linode 15:24 < kvandivo> we had taken a vote and decided you just didn't like us anymore 15:26 < gloin> !httpd.conf 15:26 < gloin> where's linbot? 15:28 < GN> iptables -L 15:36 -!- Sh8d0w [~Shadow@user-119ap3p.biz.mindspring.com] has joined #linode 15:48 < Sh8d0w> should each PC on a lan have it's own firewall script even though they are behind a firewall that protects the entire LAN? 15:49 < GN> public or prive IPs? 15:49 < Sh8d0w> private 15:50 < GN> i usually don't 15:50 < GN> or run a very minimal ruleset --- Log closed Thu May 05 15:56:27 2005 --- Log opened Thu May 05 15:56:39 2005 15:59 -!- sec39 [moon@67.171.75.94] has joined #linode --- Log closed Thu May 05 16:00:39 2005 --- Log opened Thu May 05 16:04:11 2005 --- Log closed Thu May 05 16:04:18 2005 --- Log opened Thu May 05 16:04:24 2005 --- Log closed Thu May 05 16:04:28 2005 --- Log opened Thu May 05 16:04:33 2005 --- Log closed Thu May 05 16:04:38 2005 --- Log opened Thu May 05 16:04:43 2005 --- Log closed Thu May 05 16:04:48 2005 --- Log opened Thu May 05 16:04:53 2005 --- Log closed Thu May 05 16:04:58 2005 --- Log opened Thu May 05 16:05:04 2005 --- Log closed Thu May 05 16:05:08 2005 --- Log opened Thu May 05 16:05:14 2005 --- Log closed Thu May 05 16:05:17 2005 --- Log opened Thu May 05 19:48:07 2005 19:48 -!- linbot [~supybot@ns.theshore.net] has joined #linode 19:51 < caker> taupehat: I'm going to limit your node again -- already 130M in swap 19:54 < adamg> ouch 19:54 * adamg would guess at mysql 19:57 * mikegrb would guess quake world server 19:57 < mikegrb> oh 19:57 < mikegrb> that was somebody else 20:00 < tsi> quakeworld, whoa that goes back a way 20:03 -!- Jeremy [~ph33r@jeremy.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07 -!- Jeremy [~ph33r@jeremy.netrep.oftc.net] has joined #linode 20:07 -!- jekil [~alessandr@host44-170.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08 -!- spr [~spr@c-67-161-219-228.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #linode 20:17 -!- BurtyB [~chris@82-39-41-246.cable.ubr02.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: m0000 the IRC client with hair on it's balls] 20:22 -!- BurtyB [~chris@82-39-41-246.cable.ubr02.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #linode 20:33 -!- Jeremy [~ph33r@jeremy.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:01 -!- ElectricElf [~david@ElectricElf.chair.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: ] 21:02 -!- ElectricElf [~david@ElectricElf.chair.oftc.net] has joined #linode 21:06 -!- Newsome [~sorenson@byu-gw.customer.csolutions.net] has joined #linode 21:15 < taupehat> no quakeworld =] 21:18 < taupehat> ahh smaller token bucket. I was wondering what caker meant by limiting my account 21:18 < mikegrb> taupehat: you are so limited 21:18 * mikegrb looks 21:18 < taupehat> 20k tokens 21:19 < taupehat> So 21:19 < taupehat> hopefully 21:19 < taupehat> that will serve as a chokepoint preventing me from running out of swap? 21:19 < mikegrb> well preventing you from thrashing system 21:19 < mikegrb> you are already way into swaop 21:19 < mikegrb> swap 21:19 < taupehat> yeah 21:19 < taupehat> like instantly 21:19 < taupehat> I really don't understand 21:20 < taupehat> I've run caker's optimizations for mysql 21:20 < taupehat> pared apache down 21:20 < taupehat> and yet I still go way into RAM 21:20 < taupehat> (am using swap=ram conceptually here) 21:20 < mikegrb> run top 21:21 < mikegrb> and sort by memory 21:21 < taupehat> apache X3 21:21 < taupehat> shouldn't be that many servers running 21:21 < taupehat> there are actually 5 21:21 < taupehat> hrm 21:21 < taupehat> then about 10 mysql processes 21:23 < taupehat> am out of tokens 21:27 -!- tierra [~tierra@dsl093-225-126.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Quit: bug, n: A son of a glitch.] 21:30 * adamg checks to see how many processes the beta nodes are running 21:30 < adamg> 12 21:31 < adamg> have you got innodb enabled? 21:31 < taupehat> adamg: yes 21:31 < adamg> well that will add a few processes 21:31 < adamg> ouch another one of my linodes has 24 mysql processes 21:32 * adamg restarts mysql 21:32 < adamg> back down to 10 21:32 < adamg> using replication? 21:33 < taupehat> eh? 21:33 < adamg> no then 21:33 < adamg> that adds another 2 processes 21:33 < taupehat> safe guess 21:33 < taupehat> 14 mysql processes 21:34 < adamg> do you use innodb tables? 21:34 < taupehat> yes 21:35 < adamg> shame 21:35 < taupehat> =[ 21:36 < taupehat> am down to 62 megs swap 21:36 < taupehat> let's see if it doesn't stay there for a while 21:37 < taupehat> actually 21:37 < taupehat> I've got free RAM now 21:37 * taupehat does stuff on his website to see what happens 21:37 < adamg> what did you changw 21:38 < taupehat> 1 apache server, 2 spare servers 21:38 < taupehat> turned off keepalive 21:38 < taupehat> anything else I thought I could get away with 21:39 < taupehat> literally went through httpd.conf with a comment-happy trigger 21:51 -!- FesterCouples [~ronpoz@ool-18b88fb8.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #linode 21:57 < taupehat> eh 21:57 < taupehat> apt-get update empties my tocken bucket 21:59 < warewolf> how strange 21:59 < warewolf> my spamass-milter is segfaulting 21:59 * warewolf reboots his linode 22:00 -!- warewolf [warewolf@warewolf.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: *BAMF* reboot] 22:05 * taupehat increases his swap partition 22:07 < kvandivo> that's unlikely to help 22:07 < taupehat> in one sense, true 22:07 < taupehat> on the other hand 22:07 < taupehat> It'll take a lot longer before it starts thrashing 22:07 < taupehat> at least long enough for me to check processes, go to bed, get up, shower, and check processes 22:08 < taupehat> stopgap measure until I figure out what's murdering my resources 22:08 < taupehat> wow 22:09 < taupehat> immediately after booting, I'm 54 megs into swap 22:10 * taupehat kills spamd, apache-ssl, and (!)webmin and finds himself out of swap - for now 22:10 < taupehat> sheesh 22:10 < taupehat> iptables rules pulling 7 megs? 22:11 < taupehat> that doesn't make sense 22:13 -!- gloin [~heh@taupehat.com] has joined #linode 22:13 -!- taupehat [~42f15bca@linode.com] has left #linode [] 22:13 -!- FesterCouples [~ronpoz@ool-18b88fb8.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13 -!- gloin is now known as taupehat 22:14 -!- taupehat [~heh@taupehat.com] has quit [Quit: ] 22:15 -!- gloin [~heh@taupehat.com] has joined #linode 22:16 -!- gloin is now known as taupehat 22:17 < taupehat> in addition to the frusturation that I deal with when my node goes ugh, I am also well aware of the fact that other folks have nodes on this server, would rather be a good citizen. Must... figure... this... out! 22:22 -!- Chang [~coffmant@cpe-24-93-161-148.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 22:26 < Chang> mikegrb: irc logs are busted - known issue? 22:27 < Chang> mikegrb: sorry never mind 22:28 -!- Jeremy [~ph33r@jeremy.netrep.oftc.net] has joined #linode 22:29 -!- tierra [~tierra@dsl093-225-126.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #linode 22:30 < JasonF> taupehat: you're running spamassassin? 22:30 < JasonF> that's your culprit 22:30 < npmr> ha ha 22:30 < JasonF> how the heck do these ppl think a shared linode can do bayesian filtering?!? 22:31 < npmr> mine does 22:31 < JasonF> hrm. 22:31 * JasonF thwaps npmr 22:31 < JasonF> you're not allowed to destroy my arguments 22:31 < Chang> Mine too 22:31 < taupehat> JasonF: I shut it down at boot 22:31 < npmr> if you were under the impression that is wasn't possible, then you're using the wrong bayesian filter 22:31 < npmr> hint: look for one written in a compiled language 22:31 < npmr> i.e. not perl 22:32 < taupehat> yah I got that =] 22:32 < Chang> I'm using SA and I don't think I've ever caused any issues 22:32 < JasonF> npmr: I'm just going by things I've heard in here 22:32 < Chang> Been running forever 22:32 < npmr> Chang, what's your volume? 22:32 < JasonF> that SA + linode64 == io hell 22:32 < taupehat> yeah 22:32 < taupehat> Chang: what size node? 22:32 < Chang> Not on a low volume personal domain using stripped down Deb stable 22:32 < npmr> Chang, i handle 5000+ messages per day 22:32 < Chang> 64 22:33 < Chang> Well that's obviously different - I'd be on dspam if I had that load 22:33 < taupehat> hrm 22:33 < taupehat> Chang: what else do you run on that node? 22:33 < Chang> usual crap - mysql + blog + exim 22:34 < Chang> All low volume personal stuff 22:34 < taupehat> bah 22:34 < taupehat> well, w/e 22:34 < taupehat> I'm leaning more toward blacklisting anyhow 22:34 < taupehat> so spamassasin is less relevant 22:34 < JasonF> greylisting seems like a sexcellent idea 22:34 < npmr> blacklisting is for communists 22:34 < Chang> That one SA rule for bad URLs does 90% of the job 22:35 < Chang> I can't believe how effective it is right now 22:35 < JasonF> I just always forward all my mail to gmail, and let their filters handle it :) 22:35 < taupehat> haha 22:35 < taupehat> nice 22:35 < taupehat> (if you don't mind them archiving all your personal mail, that is) 22:35 < JasonF> I'm not a conspiracy theorist 22:35 < JasonF> I (gasp) trust google 22:36 < taupehat> never suggested you were 22:37 -!- warewolf [warewolf@warewolf.netop.oftc.net] has joined #linode 22:37 < JasonF> :) 22:37 < taupehat> now, how do I know what portion of swap is actively being used? 22:38 < npmr> eh? 22:38 < JasonF> top? 22:38 < taupehat> free shows the same value for swap even when physical RAM is less than full 22:38 < npmr> cat /proc/meminfo 22:38 < npmr> oh yeah, or 'free' 22:38 < npmr> df -h /dev/ 22:39 < JasonF> Mem: 124424 120024 4400 0 7516 76092 22:39 < JasonF> haha :) 22:39 < taupehat> actually 22:39 < JasonF> I don't even use all 128mb ram of mine when my server is idle 22:39 < taupehat> /proc/meminfo is good - it shows an Inactive value 22:39 -!- Chang [~coffmant@cpe-24-93-161-148.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Chang] 22:39 < taupehat> which is nice =] 22:40 < taupehat> so it looks like I've got 20 megs of memory marked Inactive 22:40 < taupehat> is this stuff that will be released if another process needs it? 22:41 < npmr> yeah, basically 22:41 < npmr> Inactive: 477916 kB 22:41 < npmr> ^-- t/hee 22:42 < taupehat> well cool 22:42 < taupehat> it looks like I've got myself out of swap, then 22:42 * taupehat will give it a couple days and see how it goes 22:42 < npmr> does perl have an official website? 22:43 < taupehat> http://www.taupehat.com/images/misc/perl.jpg 22:43 < taupehat> uhh, that's not it 22:43 < taupehat> =] 22:43 < npmr> nice 22:43 < taupehat> yeah 22:43 < taupehat> that's next town over 22:44 < npmr> cpan.org? perl.com? 22:45 < taupehat> perl.org? 22:45 < npmr> WHICH? 22:46 -!- anderiv [~anderiv@207-67-87-34.gen.twtelecom.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:46 -!- anderiv [~anderiv@207-67-87-34.gen.twtelecom.net] has joined #linode 22:47 -!- Chang [~coffmant@cpe-24-93-161-148.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 22:47 < warewolf> caker/mikegrb- around? 22:48 * taupehat frightened them off 22:48 -!- thoth39 [~hm@200217110193.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #linode 22:52 < mikegrb> warewolf: hi 22:53 < warewolf> got an app that is segfaulting 22:53 < warewolf> diagnosing now 22:54 < taupehat> mikegrb: I turned off the 50-player battlefield1942 server and I'm not swapping anymore 22:54 < mikegrb> taupehat: heh 22:54 < mikegrb> warewolf: what kernel? 22:55 < taupehat> (actually, it was more a matter of stripping apache to as few modules as I felt safe doing and limiting the number of threads it ran) 22:55 < taupehat> heck, I've even got free physical memory now =] 22:56 < mikegrb> heh 22:56 < taupehat> anyhow 22:56 < mikegrb> good deal 22:56 < taupehat> yeah 22:56 < taupehat> let's hope it stays 22:56 -!- TheQ [~TheQ@dial4a-190.btc-bci.com] has joined #linode 22:56 < TheQ> !seen caker 22:56 < linbot> TheQ: caker was last seen here 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 25 seconds ago saying: taupehat: I'm going to limit your node again -- already 130M in swap 22:56 < TheQ> caker 22:57 < TheQ> you in 22:57 < taupehat> I also upped swap partition to a ridiculous amount, so hopefully I'll catch whatever's running away long before I start thrashing 22:57 < mikegrb> upping swap partition wouldn't help 22:57 < mikegrb> people generally start thrashing around 40-50 mb in swap 22:57 < mikegrb> sometimes as little as 10 mb 22:58 < taupehat> hmm 22:58 < taupehat> I guess my understanding (wrong, apparently) was that thrashing really started in when swap started running out 22:58 < taupehat> anyhow 22:58 < mikegrb> nah 22:58 < mikegrb> it's when you are swapping in and out heavily 22:59 < taupehat> hmm 22:59 < mikegrb> caused by not having enough ram for the active programs 22:59 < taupehat> ahh 22:59 < mikegrb> so every time you go from say apache to mysql as executing 22:59 < mikegrb> they have to switch back and forth between who is in swap and who isn't 22:59 < taupehat> so I really want to be looking at /proc/meminfo rather than free, correct? 22:59 < npmr> probably 23:00 < warewolf> caker/mikegrb- nevermind, recompile of the rpm package fixed the problem. 23:01 -!- Chang [~coffmant@cpe-24-93-161-148.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Chang] 23:01 < taupehat> mikegrb: what I'm seeing is that my swap value doesn't change, even when physical ram is free. I'm wondering if that swap value is a red herring 23:03 < mikegrb> warewolf: <3 23:03 < mikegrb> taupehat: if you free up ram, the kernel won't imidiatly swap in stuff it already has swappedd out 23:03 < mikegrb> it waits until it is needed 23:03 < taupehat> ahh 23:04 < npmr> !weather 60606 23:04 < linbot> npmr: The current temperature in Chicago, Illinois (60606) is 57°F (9:53 PM CDT on May 05, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 32°F. Pressure: 30.21 in (1023 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 16 23:05 < TheQ> !weather 66666 23:11 -!- anderiv [~anderiv@207-67-87-34.gen.twtelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:25 -!- bdash [~mrowe@ipa126.dsl.quik.co.nz] has quit [Quit: bdash] 23:25 -!- bdash [~mrowe@ipa126.dsl.quik.co.nz] has joined #linode 23:44 -!- thoth39 [~hm@200217110193.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Log closed Thu May 05 23:59:00 2005