--- Day changed --- Log opened Fri Jan 18 23:59:03 2008 00:18 -!- Athenon_ [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #linode 00:18 -!- mwalling1 [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has joined #linode 00:19 -!- mwalling [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:22 -!- Dreamer3 [~Dreamer3@74-142-174-231.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #linode 00:22 < Dreamer3> ey 00:23 -!- Athenon [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:11 -!- noob [~47386740@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 01:11 < noob> can someone help me with a quick ssh problem? 01:11 < A-KO> hm? 01:12 < noob> set up an ubuntu 7.10 image and am trying to change the ssh port 01:12 < A-KO> check /etc/ssh? 01:12 < noob> in ssh_config, i have a Port 2222 01:12 < A-KO> check sshd_configf 01:12 < A-KO> config* 01:12 < A-KO> not ssh_config 01:12 < A-KO> :) 01:13 < noob> oh duh 01:14 < noob> A-KO: thanks, that was it, thats what I get for doing stuff late at night! 01:16 < A-KO> np 01:28 -!- Deckert [~Deckert@dsl-240-156-246.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:04 -!- Dreamer3 [~Dreamer3@74-142-174-231.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:05 -!- Dreamer3 [~Dreamer3@74-142-174-231.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #linode 02:14 -!- noob [~47386740@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC] 02:15 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@c-76-108-49-255.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:36 -!- mwalling1 [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:39 -!- mwalling [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has joined #linode 03:07 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 03:09 -!- Grant [~Grant@97.111.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #linode 03:10 < Grant> Hey All 03:10 < Grant> I am in a spot of trouble 03:10 < Grant> I added a new IP to my account 03:10 < Grant> and since I've done that I can't get anything wunning 03:11 < Grant> running* 03:11 < Grant> Or rather - I can't access my apache server 03:12 < opello> that seems odd 03:12 < Grant> Well that's what I though 03:12 < Grant> www.gn.net.au is my primary domain 03:13 < opello> seems to be loading, but slow, here 03:14 < Grant> Really? 03:14 < opello> oh 03:14 < opello> it was gray, not the normal white 03:14 < opello> timed out i guess 03:14 < opello> :) 03:14 < Grant> Ah 03:15 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-240-223.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #linode 03:15 < Grant> It was all working ok until I rebooted 03:15 < Grant> And it isn't working now 03:15 < Grant> So I assume it is the Ip 03:15 < Grant> But really I don't know 03:16 < opello> so, take it off and see? 03:17 < Grant> How 03:17 < opello> don't bind it to the eth0:1? 03:19 < Grant> Hurrah 03:19 < opello> sort of seems to work :) 03:21 < opello> so, maybe bind your apache to the static ip you want to use, instead of 0.0.0.0 or whatever? 03:21 -!- christz [~christoph@cm123-148.liwest.at] has joined #linode 03:21 < Grant> Ah ok 03:22 < opello> and are you doing any sort of virtual hosts? 03:22 < Grant> See I was hoping to move my mail server to a different virtual host 03:22 < opello> i think if you are, you need to set the ip there; or use *:80 ... but i thought i read something that said that was bad 03:22 < Grant> hence getting the second IP 03:23 < opello> hm 03:25 < Grant> and I don't really know waht I am doing 03:25 < Grant> I have an idea 03:25 < Grant> but not so much 03:25 < opello> you couldn't run the mail server on the same ip as the webserver? 03:25 < opello> or is the mail for a different domain? 03:25 -!- mwalling [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:25 < Grant> It is for multiple domains 03:25 < opello> ahh 03:26 < Grant> And just for organising it 03:26 < Grant> I'd wanted to separate it 03:26 < opello> well, your prerogative :) 03:26 < Grant> and I have 3g of free space 03:26 < Grant> yeah, it works fine now 03:26 < Grant> Its kind of a learning thing 03:26 < opello> so you got it setup 03:26 < opello> ? 03:26 < opello> learning is always good :) 03:26 < Grant> yeah - it works fine on mail.gn.net.au 03:26 < Grant> I've bee using that for over a year 03:27 < opello> ah cool - congrats 03:27 < Grant> but now I need to manage mail for a few domains 03:27 < Grant> and I figured I'd try teach myself some more linux et al 03:27 < Grant> Most of what I have done I've taught myself/googled 03:27 < Grant> But I dived in a bit deep with this project 03:27 < opello> nice 03:28 -!- mwalling [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has joined #linode 03:29 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s220.cinergycom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:32 -!- D[a]rkbeholder [darkbehold@c220-239-10-63.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:41 -!- darkbeholder [darkbehold@c220-239-10-63.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #linode 03:48 < Grant> Thanks for your help, though! 03:51 < opello> no prob :) 03:51 < Grant> I am now going to try it again, without breaking it 03:51 < Grant> haha 03:51 < opello> heh 04:01 -!- Athenon__ [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #linode 04:01 -!- miteMite [~mitey@ip24-255-223-200.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #linode 04:02 -!- warewolf [warewolf@warewolf.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:02 -!- cout [~cout@c-68-58-247-49.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:02 -!- ajmitch [~ajmitch@li16-239.members.linode.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:02 -!- tolecnal [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:02 -!- CDMoyer [~cmoyer@darkwing.inarow.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:02 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:02 -!- tierra [~tierra@ibaku.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:02 -!- Dreamer3 [~Dreamer3@74-142-174-231.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:02 -!- Toba [~eastein@TOBA.RES.WPI.NET] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:02 -!- mwalling [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:02 -!- tolecnal [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has joined #linode 04:03 -!- ajmitch [~ajmitch@li16-239.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 04:03 -!- tierra [~tierra@ibaku.net] has joined #linode 04:03 -!- warewolf [warewolf@warewolf.org] has joined #linode 04:03 -!- cout [~cout@c-68-58-247-49.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has joined #linode 04:03 -!- Toba [~eastein@TOBA.RES.WPI.NET] has joined #linode 04:03 -!- CDMoyer [~cmoyer@darkwing.inarow.net] has joined #linode 04:03 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 04:03 -!- miteyMite [~mitey@ip24-255-223-200.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:04 -!- Dreamer3 [~Dreamer3@74-142-174-231.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #linode 04:05 -!- mwalling [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has joined #linode 04:08 -!- Athenon_ [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:10 -!- ajmitch_ [~ajmitch@li16-239.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 04:10 -!- tolecnal [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:10 -!- tierra [~tierra@ibaku.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:10 -!- ajmitch [~ajmitch@li16-239.members.linode.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:10 -!- tolecnal_ [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has joined #linode 04:10 -!- tierra [~tierra@ibaku.net] has joined #linode 04:10 -!- tolecnal_ is now known as tolecnal 04:11 -!- Brinson [~Warpnow@70.136.123.125] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:12 < Grant> si ti even possible to point different ips at different disk images? 04:13 < Grant> is* 04:13 < Grant> Man -I feel like such a nub 04:13 < Grant> haha - even though I'm somewhat advanced 04:15 -!- irgeek [~jcsincla@cealsa01.centamin.com] has joined #linode 04:17 < opello> but you can't boot both disk images? 04:17 < opello> (no reason you couldn't as far as i know though) 04:18 < NeonNero> technically, yes, you can assign your different ips to each of your disk images (and profiles) by using static ip instead of the preinstalled DHCP client.... but it won't do you much good since you can't have more than one of the profiles up at the same time 04:18 < Grant> I have booted both 04:18 < opello> but not simultaneously 04:19 < Grant> Ah 04:19 < Grant> So what would be the purpose of having more than one disk image on the one linode? 04:19 < NeonNero> development/testing 04:20 < NeonNero> or even train yourself in the different distros 04:20 < Grant> Though technically, if I can ssh into one/the other then I should be able to run two apache servers simultaneously, right? 04:20 -!- rick111 [~hehe@87-194-247-37.bethere.co.uk] has joined #linode 04:21 < Grant> (not that I would run two apache servers - just an example) 04:22 < NeonNero> you can install two apache instances on the same server (and to different locations), but you need to shut down one profile to be able to boot the other 04:22 < Grant> Ah 04:22 < irgeek> Grant: If you want two hosts up, you need to add a second Linode to your account. 04:22 < Grant> so to have a separate mail server, I'd need an additional linode? 04:22 < NeonNero> yes 04:23 < Grant> Ah 04:23 < praetorian> put it this way if you want "two systems" running at once, you need two linodes 04:23 < praetorian> two complete, independant systems 04:24 < Grant> Right 04:24 < praetorian> but you can run whatever you want one 1 04:24 < praetorian> ie mailo, www, etc 04:24 < Grant> yeah - I have set that up now 04:24 < Grant> I was just mucking around and was hoping I could separate the mail from the websites 04:28 < irgeek> You could run multiple UML instances within your Linode, but performance is probably going to suck. 04:31 < praetorian> but then you run into another problem ... 1 ip for the host, 1 for the client ... oh.. all out ;) 04:31 < praetorian> mind you, i didnt think you could run uml inside of uml 04:32 < irgeek> Performance is pretty bad, but it can be done. 04:32 < praetorian> scary 04:42 < Grant> yeah - I think I can just pass the cost onto a client and setup another linode 04:42 -!- Athenon__ [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:43 -!- Athenon [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #linode 04:52 -!- Deckert [~Deckert@dsl-240-141-81.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #linode 04:57 -!- Hobbsee [~hobbsee@CPE-124-188-230-36.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #linode 05:06 -!- marcel [~marcel@lt3.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:11 -!- Grant [~Grant@97.111.233.220.exetel.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:52 -!- sethrd [LinodeJava@adsl-76-214-82-226.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #linode 05:53 < sethrd> I've come to the conclusion that God does not want me to use Lighttpd with Movable Type, and doesn't want me touching Apache. 05:53 < sethrd> He wants me to run Lighttpd and Wordpress. 05:56 < sethrd> Either that, or God hates Arch. 06:00 < jimd> May your God hates the combination of Arch, Lighthttpd, MovableType and you personally. 06:01 < jimd> Or maybe it's not about hate, but love 06:01 < jimd> Perhap your devinity truly, deeply, ardently ... 06:01 < sethrd> He loves them so much, he doesn't want me to hate them by allowing them to work for me? 06:01 < jimd> ... loves to se you suffer! 06:01 < jimd> to see, even 06:02 < sethrd> It was weird. I installed apache, apachectl start, and EVERY isntance of Order or Deny in the conf caused apache to fail. 06:02 < sethrd> Instance that is 06:03 < sethrd> Syntax error on line 177 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration 06:03 < jimd> Oh, I seem to recall that Apache configuration semantics for "Order"and "Deny" directive are highly non-intuitive 06:03 < sethrd> Couple times on different lines obviously. 06:03 < jimd> Hold on a second 06:04 < sethrd> And for whatever reason, lighty freezes half way through the mt-check.cgi... 06:04 < sethrd> Loverly. 06:04 < irgeek> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/access.html 06:05 < irgeek> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_authz_host.html#order 06:05 < jimd> Do you have the authbasic module enable? 06:05 < sethrd> Hmmm. 06:05 < irgeek> Are you loading mod_authz_host? 06:06 < sethrd> Unlikely. 06:06 < irgeek> BTW, Which Apache? 06:06 < sethrd> [root@hades] ~ # pacman -Q apache 06:06 < sethrd> Er 06:06 < sethrd> apache 2.2.8-1 06:07 < jimd> sethrd: I don't know diddly about Arch (I presume you're you talking about the Arch distro and know the arch VCS) 06:07 < irgeek> OK. mod_authz_host then. 06:07 < sethrd> jimd: Yes, Arch Linux 06:07 < sethrd> Run it on my laptop. 06:07 < sethrd> <3 06:07 < jimd> But what is in your /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ (or equivalent) directory? 06:08 < sethrd> And there is a lot 06:08 < sethrd> Er. 06:08 * jimd is a bit of a Debian diehard; with some weakness for Ubuntu on laptops and graphical workstations 06:08 < sethrd> It's /etc/httpd/modules 06:08 < sethrd> And all the modules are listed. 06:08 < jimd> authz_user? 06:08 -!- dactor [~3e96631e@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 06:09 < dactor> hello anyone home 06:09 < sethrd> authz_user_module 06:09 < sethrd> authz_host_module 06:09 < irgeek> authz_host_module :) 06:09 < dactor> ?? 06:10 < irgeek> dactor: Do you have a question? 06:10 < sethrd> How about addtype errors? =X 06:11 < irgeek> mod_mime 06:11 < irgeek> I think 06:11 * irgeek checks 06:11 < irgeek> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_mime.html#addtype 06:11 < dactor> yes......i just spend the past 6 hours setting up my ubuntu box......then installed ISPConfig ....all was successfull......my problem is that i cant use https!!! 06:11 < irgeek> What were the errors? 06:12 < dactor> this is my ISPConfig control panel...(works perfectly on my other dedicated server) https://li7-94.members.linode.com:81 06:12 -!- Rosiel [~543c9d32@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 06:13 < dactor> the errors just like the link does not exist!! i.e typical error page "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage" 06:13 < irgeek> I see a login screen. What's the problem? 06:13 < dactor> you do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 06:13 < irgeek> Yeah. 06:13 -!- Rosiel7 [~Rosiel@dslb-084-060-157-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #linode 06:13 < irgeek> Maybe IE isn't redirecting properly. Try this: https://li7-94.members.linode.com:81/login.php 06:14 < dactor> i am not getting that screen!!!! 06:14 < dactor> hmmm...... 06:14 < irgeek> Maybe IE sucks. 06:14 < dactor> let me check from another terminal....this is weird..... 06:14 < dactor> its not maybe irgeek.....its for sure 06:14 < Rosiel7> I have a few questions about Linode 1080. What CPU power can i expect from it? 06:15 < irgeek> dactor: Your certificate is fscked. The subject is your name. It should be your hostname. 06:16 < sethrd> Grrr. 06:16 < irgeek> Rosiel7: Enough for most things. What do you want to do that's so CPU intensive? 06:16 < Rosiel7> Hosting a game server 06:17 < dactor> i got it.!!! eurka.......thaks irgeek 06:17 < Rosiel7> a Ragnarok one, its not very hardware demanding, but i'd better ask before wasting my money 06:17 -!- Rosiel [~543c9d32@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)] 06:17 < irgeek> Rosiel7: I've never done it, but I've heard of it being done. 06:18 < irgeek> Rosiel7: The hardware limitation on shared systems is usually disk IO. If it's disk intensive, you will have issues. 06:18 < irgeek> dactor: np 06:19 < Rosiel7> Hmm, ok, another question, what average upload speed will i get? 06:21 < sethrd> Grrr!! /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/current/i686-linux-thread-multi/auto/XML/LibXML/Common/Common.so 06:21 < jimd> What's that all about sethrd? 06:21 < sethrd> Apache poops on that. 06:21 < sethrd> Same with lighttpd 06:22 < sethrd> THAT is why God hates me using MT 06:22 < Rosiel7> Also that 7 day money back garantee... in case it wont work out for me with my game server will i get my money back or will it be like "you should have known it wont work, its your problem"? 06:23 < jimd> Rosiel7 You could always build a server at home, install UML and try your game there (with some test load to simulate the traffic) 06:24 < jimd> Or you could decide that one or two months of (what is it, $20/mo for the low end?) is a reasonably low risk. 06:24 < irgeek> Rosiel7: Linode's have excellent network connectivity. I've seen transfers upwards of 6MB/s 06:26 < Rosiel7> jimd: the traffic demands are about 1-2kb/s for one player 06:26 < tasaro> Rosiel7: You'll get your money back as long as you request a refund on the cancellation form 06:26 < Rosiel7> irgeek: thank you 06:26 < Rosiel7> tasaro thank you too 06:26 < Rosiel7> guess i'll give it a try 06:26 -!- Rosiel7 [~Rosiel@dslb-084-060-157-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Rosiel7] 06:27 < jimd> BTW: I don't work here -- I'm just a satisfied customer 06:27 < sethrd> google is no help this time 06:28 -!- kvandivo [~kvandivo@adsl-76-199-7-235.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 06:28 -!- kvandivo [~kvandivo@adsl-76-199-7-235.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #linode 06:29 < irgeek> sethrd: Did you compile it or is it a package? 06:30 < sethrd> It's a package to my understanding 06:30 < sethrd> libxml 06:30 < irgeek> Does that file exist? 06:31 < sethrd> Yes 06:31 < irgeek> Does Apache complain about something or just segfault? 06:31 < sethrd> It complains. 06:31 < irgeek> What's the error message? (us http://p.linode.com/ if it's long) 06:32 < sethrd> http://p.linode.com/166 06:32 < sethrd> Not real long 06:32 -!- Athenon_ [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #linode 06:34 < irgeek> Do you have multiple libperl.so files on your system? 06:34 -!- andrew_j_w [~andrew@88-97-29-168.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #linode 06:34 < sethrd> Would not suprise me one bit 06:34 < sethrd> sec 06:35 < sethrd> ....Appearantly I don't have a single one.. 06:35 < sethrd> Er.. 06:35 -!- kvandivo [~kvandivo@adsl-76-199-7-235.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [synthon.oftc.net tachyon.oftc.net] 06:35 -!- Athenon [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [synthon.oftc.net tachyon.oftc.net] 06:36 < irgeek> The culprit looks to be Apache and perl not both being compiled with thread support. 06:36 -!- Rosiel [Kelnal@dslb-084-060-157-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #linode 06:36 < Rosiel> is payment with paypal possible? 06:36 < sethrd> How would I go about fixing this? 06:37 < sethrd> Actually, lighttpd fails on that as well 06:37 -!- kvandivo [~kvandivo@adsl-76-199-7-235.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #linode 06:37 < irgeek> Have you tried switching your Apache worker? 06:38 < irgeek> tasaro: Can you answer Rosiel's question? 06:38 < sethrd> Would you laugh if I asked what that meant? 06:38 < sethrd> Eh, lighttpd fails on same thing. 06:39 < irgeek> Apache now has three workers. Prefork, pthread and perchild. 06:39 < irgeek> You should be loading a module somewhere for one of them. 06:40 < sethrd> I don't see anything in the conf about those 06:42 < tasaro> Rosiel: sorry, no paypal 06:42 < tasaro> http://www.linode.com/faq.cfm#what-forms-of-payment-do-you-accept 06:45 < sethrd> This is starting to upset me. 06:49 < irgeek> sethrd: I jus looked on my Ubuntu box, and the MPM module is compiled in instead of being loadable. Check what package owns the apache/apache2 binary. 06:50 < irgeek> On Ubuntu, the options are apache2-mpm-perchild, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-worker 06:50 < irgeek> apache2-mpm-perchild - experimental high speed perchild threaded model for Apache2 06:50 < irgeek> apache2-mpm-prefork - traditional model for Apache2 06:50 < irgeek> apache2-mpm-worker - high speed threaded model for Apache2 06:51 < irgeek> I'm guessing you have prefork and want worker. 06:53 < irgeek> Also, read this: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=42433 06:54 < irgeek> sethrd: In case you hadn't guessed yet, "undefined symbol: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr" is your real problem. 06:55 < sethrd> Yeah. 06:56 < irgeek> There are a few hits on the archlinux forums: http://bbs.archlinux.org/search.php?search_id=1021342988 06:56 * irgeek hopes that link works 06:59 < sethrd> No go 07:00 < irgeek> http://bbs.archlinux.org/search.php?action=search&keywords=undefined+symbol%3A+Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr&author=&forum=-1&search_in=all&sort_by=0&sort_dir=DESC&show_as=topics&search=Submit 07:01 < sethrd> *sigh* 07:01 < sethrd> Maybe try another distro? 07:01 < sethrd> Heh 07:02 < irgeek> Are you using community packages> 07:02 < sethrd> I believe so, yes 07:02 < irgeek> I am of the opinion there are several distros which have no business being on a server. 07:03 < sethrd> I believe arch is one of the, 07:03 < sethrd> dont have these issue on my laptop 07:03 < irgeek> Community packages are great for bleeding edge hardware support on your shiny new laptop. They cause massive headaches on servers though. 07:04 < irgeek> Like Gentoo. I love the idea of Gentoo, but when I have to recompile and reconfigure PHP every three months, it doesn't make me a happy admin. 07:04 < irgeek> BTW: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/9078 07:04 < sethrd> Eh, my laptop isn't shiny, nor is it new, but I do <3 it 07:05 < irgeek> Not sure if you saw that. 07:05 < irgeek> Looks like Perl 5.10.0 broke things. 07:06 < sethrd> How do I go about recompiling a perl module? 07:07 < irgeek> Umm. 07:07 < irgeek> I have never used Arch, so I can't help you there. 07:09 < irgeek> Try their forums or irc, maybe? 07:12 < dactor> i have another question guys......in li7-94.members.linode.com which part is the hostname and which is the domain? 07:13 < dactor> guys i have another question..in li7-94.members.linode.com which part is the hostname and which one is the domain name?! 07:14 -!- ramis [~3e96631e@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 07:15 < ramis> guys i have a question......in li7-94.members.linode.com which is the hostname and the domain part of the link?! 07:16 < sethrd> linode.com is the domain 07:16 < sethrd> li7-94 is the hostname 07:17 < ramis> what about members?! 07:17 < sethrd> its a subdomain of the domain 07:17 < ramis> then when i am config as a mail server then i use li7-94 as host and linode.com as domain...... 07:19 -!- miteMite [~mitey@ip24-255-223-200.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:20 -!- miteyMite [~mitey@ip24-255-223-200.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #linode 07:21 < irgeek> ramis: The mail domain is one you own. Not linode.com. If you don't own a domain, you can specify li7-94.members.linode.com as the domain and email addresses will be username@li7-94.members.linode.com 07:22 < irgeek> If you do own a domain, you need to set up DNS with MX records to point other mail sites to you Linode. 07:23 < ramis> irgeek......you are a star.....this is what i though.....i do own a few domains but did not move out of my previous hosting company trying to get familer with linode package....thanks again.... 07:24 < irgeek> I've been doing this a long, long time. 07:24 < irgeek> If it weren't for the .com bubble bursting, I'd be worth millions now... 07:24 * irgeek sigh 07:25 -!- Rosiel [Kelnal@dslb-084-060-157-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 07:26 < ramis> you are worth millions but for millions of people......the .com would have made you worth millions for one person (CEO : ) 07:29 < irgeek> I had lots of stock. We were working on a VC deal that would have made my portion worth plenty. The bubble burst the day before we signed the VC deal and wiped out our VC's reserves. He had no more money to give us. 07:32 < ramis> i hear ya.....it was tough times 07:32 -!- realist [~realist@58.175.44.112] has joined #linode 07:39 < sethrd> tough times is trying to figure out why your buddy, as has the exact same setup as you, can do something when you cant 07:39 < sethrd> grr 07:46 * irgeek has secretly replaced sethrd 07:46 < irgeek> has secretly replaced sethrd's regular distro with Windows--let's see if he notices 07:46 < sethrd> HA! 07:47 < irgeek> That joke loses all the punch when you can't type 07:48 < realist> I can't seem to find any specific info on linode network providers? 07:49 < irgeek> It depends on which datacenter you're in. 07:53 < realist> Is there any published information on what networks are available at each datacentre? 07:53 < irgeek> I think the data centers publish their own information. Hang on. 07:55 < irgeek> http://www.theplanet.com/why_the_planet/network/ 07:56 < irgeek> That's the Dallas datacenter 08:01 < irgeek> I can't find the others off the top of my head. 08:02 < realist> Thanks anyway :-) 08:02 < irgeek> What, specifically, are you looking for? All the datacenters are very well connected. 08:06 -!- Infinito [argos@201-2-52-35.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #linode 08:12 < Tenkawa> greetings all 08:17 < irgeek> 'lo 08:25 < Rei-chan> lo 08:26 * Rei-chan notes that generally speaking, every Tier 1 datacenter is the same as far as connectivity, security, power redundancy. 08:27 < realist> so linode is hosted in tier 1 datacentres? 08:27 < realist> also, what size pipe are the vps on? 08:27 < irgeek> Big. 08:27 < KoZi> my gf says about 6 inches 08:28 < irgeek> I've seen 6MB+ transfer speeds 08:28 < SpaceHobo> 13:28 my gf says about 6 inches 08:28 < SpaceHobo> That's what SHE said! 08:28 < irgeek> KoZi: VPS != STD 08:28 < SpaceHobo> haw haw haw! 08:28 < SpaceHobo> oh 08:28 < KoZi> lol 08:28 < mikegrb> lolz 08:28 < SpaceHobo> KoZi: also your mom! 08:28 < SpaceHobo> KoZi: and you forgot poland 08:28 < SpaceHobo> KoZi: and about a zillion other unfunny punchlines to jokes everyone's sick of 08:29 < SpaceHobo> KoZi: more cowbell, etc. 08:29 < realist> irgeek: 6MB/s to a single vps? 08:29 < KoZi> done? 08:29 < SpaceHobo> KoZi: We can take this to private msg if you like 08:29 < irgeek> Please do 08:29 < KoZi> nah to tired 08:29 < SpaceHobo> I never proposed "tired" so there's no reason for you to say "nah" to it. 08:29 < irgeek> realist: Yeah. 08:29 < Rei-chan> Honestly, unless its stuck in some kid's basement, any commercial host is really just renting space (or servers) from one of four datacenters in the US. :) 08:30 < irgeek> Uh, no. 08:32 < realist> If I were to pay for 2 years up front, do I get 2 x 50% free storage? 08:33 < irgeek> Grabbing the latest kernel from kernel.org: 08:32:26 (4.39 MB/s) - `linux-2.6.23.tar.gz' 08:34 < Hobbsee> irgeek: crumbs...that speed exists? 08:35 < irgeek> I've seen better. 08:36 * Hobbsee curses her shoestring internet some more, then 08:36 < irgeek> From my Linode in Dallas to my Linode in Fremont: 08:35:53 (5.98 MB/s) - `linux-2.6.23.tar.gz.1' 08:36 * Hobbsee saw 1.1MB/s in spain, and was stunned 08:36 < SpaceHobo> Hobbsee: yeah well Spain was kind of special for a UDS 08:37 < irgeek> The trans-atlantic connections can be slow sometimes. 08:37 -!- Godsey [~jason@pool-72-90-82-252.syrcny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #linode 08:37 < SpaceHobo> Hobbsee: also a lot of stuff was in our proxy cache :) 08:37 < Hobbsee> SpaceHobo: yeah, true. that would help 08:40 < irgeek> Kill me now. One of the trans-atlantic network providers is called seabone. That's just nasty. 08:40 < Godsey> is a Linode 1440 suitable for hosting a mail mx/smart host? 08:40 < Godsey> I'm averaging about 4msgs/sec inbound 08:41 < Rei-chan> ugh. suphp on Ubuntu is annoying me. I may have to compile from source. 08:41 < Godsey> I think the ram is fine, I'm just not sure about the disk i/o 08:41 -!- tolecnal [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:41 < irgeek> Godsey: I'm doing that on a Linode360 08:43 < Godsey> could you do iostat 5 and tell me a rough average tps? 08:43 < Godsey> I don't think 360m is enough for my filtering db 08:44 < irgeek> I have a LAMP stack + postfix + cyrus imapd. 08:44 < Godsey> I have a colo server right now.. but the bandwidth is just horrible. I think they put some sort of broken qos on me. 08:45 < Godsey> each connection now gives me about 11K/sec :) 08:45 * Rei-chan has LAMP, postfix, and courier. It stands up to my silly amount of spam. 08:45 < Godsey> I'm using FreeBSD+postfix+dovecot 08:45 < irgeek> My average IO is low. It's 9 averages across the last year. 08:45 < irgeek> Uh, It averages 9 over the last year. 08:45 < Godsey> irgeek, I don't have historical data unfortunatly 08:46 < Godsey> right now (slow time of day) it's 44~~ tp 08:46 < Godsey> tps 08:46 < irgeek> That's from monitoring the io_tokens I have avaiable 08:46 < realist> Hobbsee: I was in heaven when I first saw ~6MB/s (aarnet in mid 90s) 08:46 < Godsey> at max I see 5251 msgs/min 08:47 < Godsey> I could probably save alot running the mysql on a server @ home and building/deploying cdb lookup tables 08:47 < Godsey> but I cheat some (and pay with lots of cpu utilization) 08:47 < irgeek> Probably. 08:47 < Godsey> I do select blah where this_fields like $remote_ip 08:47 < irgeek> I'm guessing the data in the DB is fairly static. 08:48 < Godsey> it changes pretty often. 08:48 < irgeek> Often as in x/sec, x/minute or x/hour? 08:48 < Godsey> I'm pretty loose w/ adding people to the black list but make it easy to get whitelisted by the customer. 08:49 < Godsey> changes several times per minute 08:49 -!- tolecnal [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has joined #linode 08:51 < Godsey> an example is my bounce message gives the person a url to visit 08:52 < Godsey> they can exempt their address from that black list entry. say I block 1.2.3.0/24 joe@me.com can bypass it if he visits the url and enters that data. 08:52 < Godsey> but if joe@me.com gets complaints or does something I deem wrong he's blacklisted again 08:55 < Godsey> Uptime: 133838 Threads: 27 Questions: 1723160 Slow queries: 0 Opens: 97 Flush tables: 1 Open tables: 91 Queries per second avg: 12.875 08:55 < Godsey> those lookups are what use up resources I think 08:55 -!- mariorz [~mariorz@li10-58.members.linode.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 08:56 -!- mariorz [~mariorz@li10-58.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 08:56 < irgeek> Have you thought of making the most volatile (and assumably small) tables RAM based? 08:56 < Godsey> no 08:58 < Godsey> it's 715M on disk :) 08:58 < Godsey> er that's the db I guess 08:59 < Godsey> could probably do it. the black/whitelist email/cidr maps are under 60m total 09:00 < irgeek> What ever changes the most is going to give the best results moving to RAM. Of course, if you have a major failure, you will lose some data. 09:05 < irgeek> As for doing that on a Linode though, I think you'd be alright on a larger plan, but it's difficult to say exactly how it would perform. 09:06 < Godsey> are the limits consistant or bursty? 09:06 < Godsey> if I get one and benchmark it, will it always perform that way? or could it degrade if other hosts on same hardware take up some resources? 09:08 < irgeek> You get 512 tokens/sec going into your bucket, up to 2000000. If you use too many, your bucket will empty and all your apps will iowait until you get another 512. 09:09 < Godsey> is 1 io 1 token? 09:09 < irgeek> It's quite consistent. There was a minor snafu in the monitoring a while back, and I got throttled to death, but it was fixed and it hasn't happened since. 09:10 < irgeek> It's not 1 to 1 AFAIK. 09:12 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:15 < irgeek> http://www.theshore.net/~caker/patches/token-limiter.README 09:15 < irgeek> Godsey: That's for you, BTW. 09:17 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 09:22 < Godsey> thanks! 09:25 -!- minerale [35181@acmex.gatech.edu] has quit [Server closed connection] 09:25 -!- minerale [35181@acmex.gatech.edu] has joined #linode 09:38 < sethrd> Somehow, in 4 days, I managed to use 140GBs of bandwidth 09:38 < irgeek> Wow. 09:38 < sethrd> DOH! 09:38 < sethrd> I left a distro torrent seeding in screen.... 09:38 < sethrd> BLAH! 09:39 < sethrd> No wonder my ratio is 17... 09:39 < irgeek> That will do it. 09:39 < sethrd> Started it at work in screen, and forgot about it till I look at dashboard.. 09:41 < Tenkawa> damn theres some major bandwidth uplink at linode 09:42 < Tenkawa> thats just sick 09:44 < irgeek> All my transfer, going back to Aug 2003, adds up to about 136GB. 09:45 < Tenkawa> thats all/ 09:45 < Tenkawa> er ? 09:45 < Tenkawa> I've already used 15 gig in 3 dats 09:45 < Tenkawa> er days 09:45 < Tenkawa> mind you thats 99% moving from another site 09:48 -!- nybble [~nybble@d193-5-119.home3.cgocable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:50 < irgeek> May 2005 I used 158MB total. 09:51 -!- nybble [~nybble@d193-5-119.home3.cgocable.net] has joined #linode 09:57 < Godsey> I have ubuntu iso's running on my desktop, my ratio is 200+ :) 09:59 * irgeek watches Software Update limp along on his 512k connection :( 10:01 < Godsey> I have 50/20M .. spoiled :) 10:02 < Godsey> oops ubuntu share ratio is just 157 10:02 < Godsey> autopatcher files were over 200 but the tracker for that is dead now 10:04 < irgeek> Godsey: What kind of connection, and where? 10:04 * irgeek needs to know where to move 10:05 -!- marcel [~marcel@ip4da07c4d.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #linode 10:05 < realist> Can I choose a different datacentre for my linode? 10:06 < irgeek> If you've already chosen, you need to submit a support ticket asking to migrate to a different DC. Your IPs will change. 10:06 < realist> Well, I'm at the welcome page, and it only has Dallas available? 10:07 < irgeek> Then there are no Linode's of your plan level available in other DCs. 10:07 < mikegrb> realist: unfortunately dallas is the only dc with slots of your size available at the moment 10:07 < irgeek> !avail 10:07 < linbot> irgeek: Linode360 - 53, Linode540 - 0, Linode720 - 25, Linode1080 - 5, Linode1440 - 5 10:07 < mikegrb> but you can put a ticket in and once a slot is available we can move it 10:08 < realist> Great, how do we co-ordinate DNS change then? 10:08 < irgeek> Luck? 10:08 < realist> I'll be notified once it's been moved? 10:08 < mikegrb> we setup the move you click a button when you are ready to do it 10:08 < irgeek> You initiate the migration yourself. 10:09 < Hobbsee> mikegrb: any idea when you'll get more in other centres? 10:10 < mikegrb> I'm not sure :< caker or tasaro would know 10:10 < caker> Atlanta is getting a few next week 10:10 < Godsey> I'm in Syracuse, NY 10:10 < Godsey> it's FiOS from Verizon. 10:10 < irgeek> realist: OTOH, I've had a Linode in Dallas for a long time and it's been rock solid. 10:11 < Godsey> I pay $94/mo for 50/20.. only problem is they block port 25 in 10:11 * irgeek starts packing 10:11 < irgeek> That's fine by me. I have a Linode. 10:11 < Godsey> you can get business service 20/20 for $149/mo w/ 5 ips and no blocks 10:12 < irgeek> Is it transfer capped? 10:12 < realist> irgeek: I'm more concerned about the latency, I'm in .au 10:12 < Godsey> irgeek: no. 10:12 < Godsey> I download at 6.4MB/sec from giganews :) 10:12 < realist> What are these ratios? 10:13 < irgeek> Amazing. 10:13 < irgeek> ;) 10:13 < irgeek> 50/20 is 50Mb down and 20Mb up 10:13 < Godsey> http://www.godsey.net/jason/fios/ 10:15 < Hobbsee> caker: fremont would be the place of interest for realist and myself. any idea on them? 10:16 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has joined #linode 10:16 < caker> Hobbsee: would need to wait until someone cancels or migrates .. possibly around the end of the month 10:16 < realist> Also, would we know the IP in advance of a move? 10:16 < caker> submit a ticket and get yourself into the queue, and we'll update it when there's a spot 10:16 < caker> realist: yes 10:16 < realist> caker: thanks, doing that now. 10:17 < Tenkawa> woww 10:17 < Tenkawa> cant believe what made digg 10:17 < Godsey> irgeek: http://www.godsey.net/jason/linux/winscp-upload.gif 10:17 < irgeek> realist: My gateways so you can check latency: Dallas - 64.5.53.1, Fremont - 66.160.141.1, Atlanta - 64.22.109.1 10:17 < Tenkawa> rick nash goal from nhl game the other night 10:17 < Tenkawa> I almost jumped out of my seat while I was watching that game 10:18 < irgeek> Godsey: I hate you. 10:18 < Tenkawa> when the "game changing event" occured I scared my wife and cats when I yelled out in shock 10:21 < Godsey> irgeek: I'm trying to find inexpensive colo where I can place an openvpn router :) 10:22 < Tenkawa> Godsey: waveform technologies if you dont mind troy michigan 10:22 < Tenkawa> I've used them multiple times 10:22 < Tenkawa> great group with great price and uplink 10:22 < realist> irgeek: thanks, Dallas and Fremont are quite comparable 10:24 < Godsey> Tenkawa: my only expectation is they can route my ips and it's not dog slow :) 10:24 < irgeek> Godsey: Your definition of dog slow might be a little different than the rest of ours. ;) 10:24 < Tenkawa> heheh 10:24 < Godsey> my current colo is 11KB/sec 10:24 < Hobbsee> realist: strange 10:25 < Godsey> well per connection. 10:25 < Godsey> some funky (bad) throttling 10:25 < Godsey> I can open multiple connections and get 2meg/sec 10:25 < Hobbsee> realist: mine came up at ~40ms longer 10:25 < Hobbsee> (for dallas) 10:25 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-240-223.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 10:25 < Tenkawa> sounds like channelized qos 10:26 < Tenkawa> per socket connection.. not per interface 10:26 < Tenkawa> that sucks 10:26 < realist> Hobbsee: you're in sydney, I'm not. 10:26 < irgeek> realist: Pinging from Fremont to Dallas - min/avg/max/mdev = 42.039/42.416/47.249/0.726 ms 10:26 < Hobbsee> realist: i realise that, but i still wasn't expecting such a difference. 10:26 -!- h00s [~h00s@78-3-216-221.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #linode 10:27 < Godsey> Hobbsee: between which 2 locations? 10:27 < Hobbsee> Dallas and Fremont 10:27 < Godsey> I'd hope there would be a large difference :) 10:27 < Tenkawa> nice... from my house to my linode 10:27 < Tenkawa> 46.485 ms 10:28 < Godsey> Hobbsee: unless you're in the center 10:28 < Tenkawa> my old provider : 67.200 ms 10:28 < Tenkawa> much better now :() 10:28 < Tenkawa> er :) 10:29 < realist> Tenkawa: I'm about ~200ms away 10:29 < Tenkawa> you said .au though right? 10:29 * realist nods 10:29 < Tenkawa> not bad if thats the case 10:29 * irgeek hates you all 10:29 < realist> CA should be ~160ms 10:29 < Tenkawa> hmm 10:29 < realist> However, I'm only getting 200ms pings 10:29 < Tenkawa> whats th fremont ip again? 10:30 < Tenkawa> let me try from here 10:30 < irgeek> From Egypt to Atlanta: min/avg/max/stddev = 282.287/1171.106/1873.581/261.074 ms 10:30 < irgeek> I hate Egypt 10:30 < Tenkawa> ouch 10:30 < Godsey> i average 47 to dallas 10:30 < realist> Well, SSC crosses the Pacific, from Sydney, and lands in CA 10:31 < realist> Hence me requesting Fremont support ticket 10:31 < Godsey> 40 to atl and 102 to freemont 10:31 < Tenkawa> afk. bbl 10:31 < irgeek> FYI: I'm doing a ping -c 100 for consistency in averages. 10:32 < Godsey> i did 10 10:32 < Godsey> from au, you're adding about 3000 miles to your trip going to dallas 10:33 < Godsey> that's at least 16 ms w/ no overhead 10:33 -!- h00s_ [~h00s@83-131-84-217.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:34 < Godsey> er i mis-calculated that I think 10:34 < realist> Godsey: which is why I'm surprised I'm not seeing a notable difference... 10:35 < mwalling> from NY to dallas: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 639.535/1027.071/1646.545/237.936 ms, pipe 2 10:35 < Godsey> dallas and atl are same for me from Syracuse, NY 10:35 * mwalling is on hughesnet 10:36 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-240-223.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #linode 10:36 < Godsey> good luck shrinking your latency w/ that 20k mile hop :P 10:36 * mwalling might be getting dialup 10:36 < Godsey> you off grid? 10:37 < Bdragon> Yeah, dialup is great for ssh 10:37 < mwalling> no, i have electricity. 10:37 * Bdragon uses hughesnet for just about everything else... 10:37 < mwalling> i dont live *that* far in the middle of nowheres 10:37 < Godsey> I have relatives in AZ totally off grid :) 10:37 < irgeek> hughesnet = satellite? 10:38 < Bdragon> irgeek: ja 10:38 < Godsey> they also have hughes 10:38 < mwalling> me to google: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 676.297/1105.399/2522.677/289.406 ms, pipe 3 10:38 < Godsey> it even works for skype kinda :) 10:38 < mwalling> until they get fapped 10:38 < Bdragon> Heh 10:38 < Godsey> what's fapped? 10:38 < Bdragon> I've done skype on dialup 10:38 < Bdragon> subject to Fair Access Policy limits 10:38 < mwalling> fairaccess.hughesnet.com 10:39 < Bdragon> If you burn through your quota you get throttled down to about 3.3 KB/s 10:39 < JDLSpeedy> ouch 10:39 < Godsey> 200MB/day? 10:39 < Godsey> no problem. 10:39 < mwalling> my quota is 200mb/24 hours 10:39 < mwalling> yeah... it is. 10:39 < Godsey> and 3.3KB/sec is enough for voip 10:40 < Bdragon> The problem with running voip over satellite is 10:40 -!- f8 [~buddyw@mail.budw.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 10:40 < mwalling> LAG 10:40 < Godsey> the 2/3 sec lag :) 10:40 -!- f8 [~buddyw@mail.budw.net] has joined #linode 10:40 < Bdragon> there is a HUGE variance between worst case and best case rtt 10:40 < Bdragon> it's not the lag, it's the lack of consistency in how fast the packets get there... 10:40 < Godsey> ya it's not a big problem. 10:41 < mwalling> 3.3k is enough for voip? 10:41 < Bdragon> sure 10:41 < Godsey> yes 0.8k/sec is 10:41 < Bdragon> speex codec, etc 10:41 < mwalling> i can barly keep an irc session on when i'm fapped 10:41 < irgeek> WTF? My VSAT connection in the middle of the Egyptian desert has better latency than my DSL connection in Alexandria... 10:41 < irgeek> min/avg/max/mdev = 675.795/683.896/780.913/10.781 ms 10:42 < Godsey> I use the cisco codec when she connects to my sip proxy 10:42 < Godsey> irgeek: do you know of any inexpensive ways to call egypt from the u.s.? :) 10:43 < Godsey> I can't find any sip providers doing it for under $0.18/min 10:43 < irgeek> And you won't 10:43 < irgeek> VoIP is heavily regulated in EG. 10:43 < Godsey> virgin moble phones do it for $0.10/min 10:44 < irgeek> The iLEC is very scared of VoIP. 10:44 < irgeek> Best price I've seen, however, is $0.10/min to a land line. 10:44 < Godsey> I've sent some friends pap2-na devices but eventually their isps block it 10:45 < Godsey> I have yet to try setting up openvpn for it :) 10:45 < irgeek> I think the best price I've seen to a mobile is about $0.15/min 10:49 < irgeek> Yet more proof businesses are stupid: I just noticed that even though they cap transfer, HughesNet's tagline is Broadband Unbound. Someone needs to explain to them what that word means. 10:51 -!- Hobbsee [~hobbsee@CPE-124-188-230-36.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-240-223.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:52 < realist> Thanks for the help everyone. 10:52 -!- realist [~realist@58.175.44.112] has left #linode [] 10:54 < Godsey> I left voicemail w/ sales @ waveform.net thanks :) 10:54 < mikegrb> irgeek: they say "We provide unlimited internet access, not unlimited high-speed internet access" 10:55 < Godsey> irgeek: I 'm guessing they mean unbound location 10:56 < irgeek> I get what they mean, but it sounds stupid. 10:56 < praetorian> mikegrb: yeah .. alot of isps over here (.au) market internet as being "unlimited" when they have caps .. and people sign up and get a 200mb/month plan and then complain 10:56 < praetorian> especially when on a 24month contract 10:58 < Godsey> my bread and butter query that I don't think can easily be transformed into dbm/cdb lookups :( http://pastebin.ca/863842 10:58 -!- rick111 [~hehe@87-194-247-37.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 10:59 < Rei-chan> Ah, Verizon. 11:00 < Rei-chan> Unlimited cellular internet == If you go over a few gigabits, we're cancelling your contract. 11:02 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-240-223.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #linode 11:07 < sethrd> Godsey, what part of Syracuse you from? 11:08 -!- andrew_j_w [~andrew@88-97-29-168.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12 -!- andrew_j_w [~andrew@88-97-29-168.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #linode 11:17 -!- irgeek [~jcsincla@cealsa01.centamin.com] has quit [Quit: Resuming human contact in 3... 2... ] 11:17 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@c-76-108-49-255.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #linode 11:24 -!- IgorSobreira [~igor@189.71.35.205] has joined #linode 11:35 -!- irgeek [~jcsincla@41.234.224.134] has joined #linode 11:36 -!- Infinito [argos@201-2-52-35.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:42 -!- nybble [~nybble@d193-5-119.home3.cgocable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:43 -!- nybble [~nybble@76.10.166.6] has joined #linode 11:49 -!- nybble_ [~nybble@76.10.166.6] has joined #linode 11:54 < Godsey> I'm in Dewitt 11:54 < Godsey> have an office on teall :) 11:55 -!- nybble [~nybble@76.10.166.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:01 < sethrd> No shit? 12:02 < sethrd> I used to live in Dewitt. Over by Shoppingtown. 12:09 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s160.cinergycom.net] has joined #linode 12:14 -!- dactor [~3e96631e@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Session timeout)] 12:19 < Godsey> ah, I'm on other side 12:19 < Godsey> near where malloy road and northern blvd meet 12:19 < Godsey> (kinda by big UPS terminal) 12:20 < Godsey> actually I'm about 5 blocks from Carrier :) 12:20 < Godsey> my mailing address is east syracuse but not in the villiage 12:20 < Godsey> addresses here baffle me. 12:20 < sethrd> Alright, I gotcha. 12:20 < Godsey> registering to vote was fun 12:20 < sethrd> I used to work over in that area. 12:21 < sethrd> Over off Fly Road. 12:21 < Godsey> ya :) 12:21 < Godsey> I'm in franklin park 12:21 < sethrd> Oh, ok. 12:21 -!- nybble [~nybble@d193-5-119.home3.cgocable.net] has joined #linode 12:22 < Godsey> my wife is a manager @ carrier, I'm a programmer/it junkie for an insurance company now 12:22 < sethrd> I thought Carrier closed shop. 12:22 < sethrd> I know they did a massive layout while back at least. 12:22 < sethrd> Few years ago 12:22 < Godsey> I think they moved most of the manufacturing to china 12:22 < Godsey> she actually works for UTC 12:22 < sethrd> Friend of mine's father was VP. 12:22 < sethrd> Ok, gotcha. 12:23 < sethrd> Ok, I need a smoke before I go get lunch. 12:28 -!- nybble_ [~nybble@76.10.166.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:32 -!- ramis [~3e96631e@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Session timeout)] 12:37 < irgeek> Reason #847 not to work for your parents: You have to smile and be polite when your computer-challenged mother buggers up her spreadsheet and underpays you by almost $1500. :) 12:38 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@c-76-108-49-255.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:39 < mwalling> irgeek: personal experience or a quote? 12:39 < irgeek> Personal experience. Mum and I just went through all of the records together. 12:41 -!- sethrd [LinodeJava@adsl-76-214-82-226.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: sethrd] 12:45 < irgeek> I was wondering why my deposit looked a little light. 12:45 < mwalling> heh 12:46 < irgeek> On the upside though, it is fun to work with them. 12:51 -!- fo0bar [fo0bar@feh.colobox.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:52 -!- fo0bar [fo0bar@feh.colobox.com] has joined #linode 12:57 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59 -!- iggy [~iggy@216.63.86.18] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:59 -!- iggy [~iggy@216.63.86.18] has joined #linode 12:59 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has joined #linode 13:02 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:06 -!- Pryon [~Pryon@c-76-18-90-150.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #linode 13:14 -!- marcel [~marcel@ip4da07c4d.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 13:25 -!- christz [~christoph@cm123-148.liwest.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:41 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@md75f36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #linode 13:53 -!- paulcager [~paul@cpc4-stok8-0-0-cust535.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #linode 13:55 -!- deepspawn [1000@200.106.196.187] has joined #linode 13:58 -!- marcel [~marcel@ip4da07c4d.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #linode 14:02 -!- deepspawn [1000@200.106.196.187] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:07 -!- tpope [tpope@dsl093-214-040.sat1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:07 -!- tpope [tpope@dsl093-214-040.sat1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #linode 14:23 -!- dactor [~3e96631e@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 14:36 -!- nybble [~nybble@d193-5-119.home3.cgocable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:18 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 15:37 -!- marcel [~marcel@ip4da07c4d.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s160.cinergycom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:49 -!- Sputnik7 [~Sputnik7@c-71-192-5-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #linode 15:50 -!- h00s [~h00s@78-3-216-221.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:51 < irgeek> !rr 15:51 < linbot> irgeek: *click* 15:51 < irgeek> Darn 15:51 -!- irgeek [~jcsincla@41.234.224.134] has quit [Quit: Resuming human contact in 3... 2... ] 15:52 < mwalling> !rr 15:52 -!- mwalling was kicked from #linode by linbot [BANG!] 15:52 * linbot reloads and spins the chambers. 15:52 -!- mwalling [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has joined #linode 15:53 < guinea-pig> !rr 15:53 < linbot> guinea-pig: *click* 15:53 < guinea-pig> !yarrrr 15:53 < KoZi> !rr 15:53 < linbot> KoZi: *click* 15:53 < mwalling> !rr 15:53 < linbot> mwalling: *click* 15:53 < mwalling> !rr 15:53 < linbot> mwalling: *click* 15:53 < mwalling> !rr 15:53 < linbot> mwalling: *click* 15:53 < mwalling> !rr 15:53 -!- mwalling was kicked from #linode by linbot [BANG!] 15:53 * linbot reloads and spins the chambers. 15:53 -!- mwalling [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has joined #linode 15:53 < KoZi> !rr 15:53 < linbot> KoZi: *click* 15:54 -!- Sputnik9 [~Sputnik7@c-71-192-5-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:57 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s115.cinergycom.net] has joined #linode 16:01 < zeroday> new apache version is out 16:07 -!- IgorSobreira [~igor@189.71.35.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09 < Rei-chan> !rr 16:09 -!- Rei-chan was kicked from #linode by linbot [BANG!] 16:09 -!- Rei-chan [~speaker@c-75-64-155-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #linode 16:09 * linbot reloads and spins the chambers. 16:09 < Rei-chan> I'm lucky, I guess. 16:12 < caker> A modern-day warrior 16:12 < caker> Mean mean stride, 16:12 < caker> Today's Tom Sawyer 16:12 < caker> Mean mean pride. 16:19 < Tenkawa> heh a rush fan eh? 16:20 < zeroday> !rr 16:20 < linbot> zeroday: *click* 16:20 < zeroday> phew 16:23 < KoZi> !rr 16:23 -!- KoZi was kicked from #linode by linbot [BANG!] 16:23 -!- KoZi [~KoZi@c-67-174-177-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #linode 16:23 * linbot reloads and spins the chambers. 16:23 < JDLSpeedy> !rr 16:23 < linbot> JDLSpeedy: *click* 16:25 -!- ramis [~3e96631e@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 16:26 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-240-223.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33 -!- h00s [~h00s@78-3-216-221.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #linode 16:33 -!- h00s [~h00s@78-3-216-221.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [] 16:33 -!- h00s [~h00s@78-3-216-221.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #linode 16:36 < Athenon_> I'm calling linode ;) 16:37 < Athenon_> no IRC allowed 16:37 < Athenon_> someone named craig is a huge idiot -_- 16:37 < zeroday> lol 16:37 < mikegrb> lolz 16:37 < zeroday> where is that from? 16:38 < Athenon_> some idiot...keeps threatening to DDOS, says he froze my msn (which my msn works fine)... 16:39 < zeroday> rofl 16:39 < mikegrb> roflz 16:39 * zeroday slaps mikegrb :P 16:39 < zeroday> on this channel Athenon_ ? 16:39 < Athenon_> im getting sick of him...i kill/gline him off my irc server and crap...him and hamlin wont freaking leave me alone -_- 16:39 < Athenon_> zeroday: nope, another server 16:40 < zeroday> tell him to come to this channel to complain 16:40 < SpaceHobo> oh yes please do 16:40 < Athenon_> nah, im not talking to him...im sick of dealing with him -_- 16:40 < mwalling> Athenon_: you could simply point out where irc *is* allowed, then g-line him :) 16:41 < mwalling> or give him the link in the gline message :) 16:41 < Athenon_> mwalling: ive already gline him.....and im not gonna tell him that....its more fun for him to THINK he has something on me when he really doesnt 16:41 < Athenon_> ;) 16:41 < mwalling> heh 16:41 < mwalling> true 16:42 < Athenon_> he already thinks he can take over my vps pretty easily...of course, he THINKS he knows what virtualization we're running, but he doesnt ;) 16:44 < mwalling> aah... one of those kind of characters 16:44 < Athenon_> but yeah, im just sick of dealing with him...every time i think we're good, he pops up...and i put in some more glines and crap -_- 16:44 < mwalling> he doesn't happen to also go by systat, does he? :) 16:44 < iggy> a windows script kiddie 16:44 < Athenon_> i dont think so 16:44 < mwalling> hehe... 16:45 < Athenon_> iggy: possibly, i dunno....were pretty sure he at least OWNS an IRC botnet 16:45 * mwalling goes to find a link 16:46 < clanehin> why is he interested in you? 16:46 -!- Craigory [~acc87eca@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 16:46 < Athenon_> thats him 16:46 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-240-223.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #linode 16:46 < Craigory> do linode allow IRC? 16:46 < mikegrb> yes 16:46 < Craigory> and wat if the network get's attacked? 16:47 < mikegrb> then we take care of it 16:47 < Craigory> is there a charge? 16:47 < mikegrb> no 16:47 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-240-223.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:47 < Craigory> shame on you guys really :) 16:47 < Craigory> is there a charge? 16:47 < Craigory> oops* 16:48 < Craigory> Athenon_ has a few people after him 16:48 < zeroday> Craigory is the one Athenon_ ? 16:48 < mwalling> Athenon_: http://noobfarm.org/?267 16:49 < mwalling> it starts slow, the punchline is about 2/3rds the way down 16:49 < Athenon_> zeroday: yep 16:49 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-240-223.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #linode 16:51 < h00s> mwalling: heh, good read :) 16:51 < zeroday> mwalling lol 16:51 < mikegrb> lolz 16:52 < h00s> stand back! "I am a certified Linux Admin" :D 16:52 < Craigory> if your names athenon then you aint no linux admin :) 16:54 < zeroday> why not? 16:56 < Craigory> because he's n00b :D 16:56 < zeroday> *yawn* 16:56 < JDLSpeedy> heh 16:56 < Craigory> and thinks a few glines has got rid of me! 16:56 < Craigory> <3 full block of class c 16:56 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-240-223.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57 < zeroday> Craigory, why dont you find something better to do then hang around where you're not wanted? 16:58 < mwalling> zeroday: the pyschology of trolls is very complicated, and hard to uncover 16:58 < zeroday> im sure its related to repressed childhood memories ;) 16:59 < iggy> they aren't breast fed 17:00 < A-KO> You know what bothers me? How a bunch of dumb kids get ahold of a botnet 17:00 < A-KO> It's pathetic 17:00 < A-KO> like 17:01 < A-KO> none of that matters because at the end of the day he might be this big bad ass on the internet but he's still gotta take the trash out for mommy :D 17:01 < zeroday> lol 17:01 < mikegrb> lolz 17:02 < SpaceHobo> I will never cease to be amazed at the number of incompetent DDOS attacks I see that I just brush off. 17:03 < Battousai> 7? 17:03 < zeroday> http://noobfarm.org/?60 17:03 < zeroday> hehe 17:03 < mwalling> zeroday: ?18 is my favorite 17:04 < zeroday> wow....nerdy :P 17:06 -!- flora29 [~flora29@ANantes-257-1-114-177.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #linode 17:06 < mwalling> i try 17:07 < SpaceHobo> bah, flora29 is a fucking spambot 17:07 -!- mode/#linode [+b *!*flora29@*.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] by caker 17:07 -!- flora29 was kicked from #linode by caker [flora29] 17:07 < caker> buh bye 17:08 < opello> heh, we get those on another network i'm on, but they never spam ... just join and part once in a while 17:10 < caker> and I guess scrape for email addys or something 17:10 < opello> ahh 17:10 < opello> where's that info from? 17:11 < mwalling> sounds like freenodes "omg tor loggers" "attack" 17:11 < caker> or gather fodder for link farms/spam pages 17:11 < Rei-chan> Hmm. 17:11 < Rei-chan> Caker, is there a tuning apache howto on the forums or wiki? :) 17:11 < SpaceHobo> you know, you could ban *!*29@*.wanadoo.fr and get the whole lot 17:12 < iggy> wouldn't lose much 17:12 < SpaceHobo> they always have a realname of "35 F" 17:12 < Rei-chan> Actually, I've seen those horrid things on freenode. 17:12 < Rei-chan> And they always DO come from wanadoo.fr :) 17:12 < SpaceHobo> of course, I should talk, as I'm running a megahal in all the dalnet sex channels as a device to automatically troll people 17:12 < SpaceHobo> it spends a lot of time accusing would-be suitors of being bots or gay 17:14 < Rei-chan> Does it know asl? 17:16 < SpaceHobo> it spits people's ASLs back at them when they asl it 17:16 < SpaceHobo> so basically someone's all 20/m/lahore 17:16 < SpaceHobo> and it goes 'asl 21/m/lahore' 17:17 < SpaceHobo> and then they accuse each other of being gay 17:17 < SpaceHobo> and then of being bots 17:17 < SpaceHobo> often they swap yahoo cam ids 17:17 < SpaceHobo> which is the reason I keep it running 17:17 < SpaceHobo> I just love that they'll cam each other 17:18 < SpaceHobo> but one thing that disturbs me is that people are nowadays trying to use certain IRC channels to actually acquire escort services in south asia and nearby islands 17:18 < SpaceHobo> and I think that there are people who may actually answer these 17:21 < Rei-chan> lol 17:21 < mikegrb> lolz 17:22 < Rei-chan> Ah, irc. 17:22 < opello> that's really their own fault though, i mean ... c'mon ... it's the internet 17:23 < SpaceHobo> anyway, there are logs at zork.net/~trolla 17:23 < SpaceHobo> the stuff in parentheses is the private conversations the bot has 17:23 < SpaceHobo> the rest is all public channel chatter that the bot learns from but doesn't reply to 17:24 < zeroday> http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/19/exploding-thinkpad-attacks-man-burns-through-bed/ 17:24 < zeroday> wtf...scary... 17:28 < Rei-chan> awesome. 17:28 < linbot> New news from forums: Best BitTorrent Client ? in General Discussion || After rebooting XEN host, odd processes have appeared... in General Discussion 17:28 -!- sethrd [LinodeJava@adsl-76-214-82-226.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #linode 17:32 -!- SystemFAILURE [~openclt@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #linode 17:33 < caker> SystemFAILURE: hello 17:33 < SystemFAILURE> caker: hi 17:33 < caker> SystemFAILURE: mind if I PM you? 17:33 < SystemFAILURE> NP 17:34 * Rei-chan raises an eyebrow. 17:34 < Battousai> uh oh, someone's in trouble 17:35 * Rei-chan doesn't see tor users often. 17:40 < SystemFAILURE> Rei-chan: ? 17:41 < mwalling> SystemFAILURE: you're connected through tor 17:42 < sethrd> Hmm. 17:42 < SystemFAILURE> mwalling: and what's the problem ? :| 17:43 < iggy> according to some tor is for exclusive use by pedophiles 17:43 < iggy> 17:43 < mwalling> SystemFAILURE: *shrugs* ask him 17:43 < SystemFAILURE> iggy: lol 17:43 < mikegrb> lolz 17:45 -!- digx [~digx@c-76-109-201-140.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #linode 17:45 < sethrd> roflchopter 17:48 < SystemFAILURE> mikegrb: mmh a lame user can make you flood :( 17:48 < SystemFAILURE> lol 17:48 < SystemFAILURE> lol 17:48 < mikegrb> lolz 17:48 < mikegrb> lolz 17:48 < Athenon_> lol 17:48 < mikegrb> lolz 17:48 < Athenon_> dfagrejgalolwegjsjga 17:48 < Athenon_> well, at least it doesnt trigger there XD 17:48 < mikegrb> SystemFAILURE: no, it contains throttling 17:49 < SystemFAILURE> :P 17:49 < SystemFAILURE> 'night to all 17:49 -!- SystemFAILURE [~openclt@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Impossible is Windows] 18:09 -!- sethrd [LinodeJava@adsl-76-214-82-226.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: sethrd] 18:09 -!- dc0e [~dc0e@c-69-243-116-60.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:14 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@md75f36d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20 -!- dc0e [~dc0e@c-69-243-116-60.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #linode 18:27 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@md75f36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #linode 18:37 < Schroeder> RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT! 18:37 -!- weasel [weasel@weasel.chair.oftc.net] has joined #linode 18:38 < mwalling> MIKE HUCKABEE FOR PRESIDENT! 18:38 < SpaceHobo> Schroeder: I think you're right. RuPaul would be a great president. It'd be nice to finally have an African-American woman in the white house! Work it girl! (of the world!) 18:38 < SpaceHobo> sashay, shante shante shante 18:41 < opello> BOB DOLE WANTS YOU! 18:41 < iggy> DOLE PINEAPPLE WANTS ME... AND I WANT IT *WINK* 18:42 -!- fsalim [~4882868f@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 18:42 < opello> heh 18:44 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@md75f36d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:48 -!- fsalim [~4882868f@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC] 18:49 -!- iggy [~iggy@216.63.86.18] has left #linode [] 19:01 < clanehin> woohoo, it's snowing 19:02 -!- iisca [~ryan@24-159-201-157.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #linode 19:03 < iisca> how can i tell how much physical memory the os is using (non daemon/apps). i do 'top' and i only have a few processes running, but top says im using 285MB 19:03 < iisca> i installed ubuntu server, only have mysqld and 1 16 meg JVM running, and im already using 285.. 19:05 < caker> Linux will use all RAM for filesystem buffering 19:05 < clanehin> I find htop to be useful 19:05 < iisca> k. i only have 70mb free. once i put apache on there will there be any mem left for stuff liek php? 19:06 < iisca> im curious how anyone can actual run lamp from the lowest linode plan. 19:06 < iisca> actual = actually 19:06 < Bdragon> Memory: 3399M Act, 1698M Inact, 1284K Wired, 13M Exec, 5058M File, 78M Free 19:06 < Bdragon> Swap: 1024M Total, 1024M Free 19:06 < Bdragon> heh 19:07 < iisca> clanehin: im using ubuntu server - i dont think i have htop. or do i need to install. also is ubuntu server a memory hog? 19:07 < tpope> hardly 19:07 < caker> iisca: what you are seeing is that Linux will eventually use *all* the RAM for buffering the filesystem. 19:08 < clanehin> iisca: it's just a prettier top, and I think regular top can be a little deceptive. 19:08 < caker> LAPM runs quite nicely on a Linode 360, even with most distribution's default configs 19:08 < caker> Back in the day, Linoders used to run LAMP on 64M :> 19:08 < clanehin> the debian/ubuntu package is named htop, there might be something even better, I don't know 19:09 < mwalling> what ever happened to free? 19:09 < Deckert> iisca: once all memory is used for buffering, the kernel will re-allocated that RAM from the buffer pool back to applications that need them 19:09 < iisca> o wow, 64M? ok so now i have apache running. 65M free. so should i be scared about not being able to scale? 19:09 < iisca> i know thats a super open ended question 19:09 < Deckert> iisca: it just means that the memory is used all the time, to the benefit of system performance 19:10 < caker> again, you want the kernel to use all ram for performance. It's when you start going into swap when you need to be concerned 19:10 < iisca> ah ok, that eases my mind a bit. I'm gonna launch my business here soon (web app) and really trying to think about scaleablilty/perf. 19:10 < mwalling> hmmm... i should devise a way to use swap to buffer i/o... 19:10 * mwalling snickers 19:11 < Bdragon> It's a GOOD thing for all the ram to be making itself useful at all times 19:11 < Deckert> Bdragon: agreed 19:11 < mwalling> ditto 19:11 < mikegrb> dorito 19:12 -!- weasel [weasel@weasel.chair.oftc.net] has left #linode [] 19:12 < Bdragon> And caching is an excellent use because it can by definition be thrown away if the ram is needed for something else 19:12 < mwalling> tostedos 19:12 < iisca> ah ok sweet. ok nother question. been doing alot of reading and cant find a definitive ans. Does php running as fastcgi scale better then mod_php on apache 2.2? 19:12 < clanehin> htop gives you a nice bar graph of your ram, color coded by what's using it, http://htop.sourceforge.net/ 19:13 -!- Deckert [~Deckert@dsl-240-141-81.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:13 -!- Deckert [~Deckert@dsl-240-141-81.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #linode 19:14 < iisca> trying to decide between lighttpd and apache 2.2. Going to do some apache AP tests against my php app running on both, but just curious if anyone knows from experience. 19:14 < iisca> AP = AB 19:15 < Bdragon> I use lighttpd + fastcgi php... 19:16 < Bdragon> It works quite well, but I don't have anything to compare it to, and I don't tend to have high concurrency 19:18 < iisca> Bdragon: u running 1.5? 19:18 < Bdragon> Nah 19:19 < Bdragon> I run lighttpd from pkgsrc, and they're pretty conservative ;) 19:19 * Bdragon does have a slightly customized build, but that's just because he's too lazy to push his patches upstream :P 19:19 < iisca> yea im concerned to use lighttpd cuz apache has been around 4ever and has gotta be more stable. 19:19 < Godsey> lighttpd does not scape better than apache for php5 19:20 < Godsey> scale 19:20 < iisca> Godsey - u recommend running php as fastcgi or mod? 19:20 < Godsey> depends on what you're doing. 19:20 < Godsey> mod if it's just you, suphp if you host other people 19:21 < iisca> well it will just be me, but i want it to handle a large load of traffic. 19:21 < Bdragon> Suggest seperate static and dynamic daemons... 19:22 < iisca> ive read that mpm-worker performs much better and has smaller mem footprint - but have to run php as fastcgi 19:22 < iisca> Bdragon: im dense - can u elaborate? (duno what that means). 19:22 < iisca> i know what daemons are 19:22 < Godsey> what is a large load? 19:23 < Bdragon> Serve your images and other static content from a webserver that is tuned for size and speed and doesn't have any script execution capability at ALL. 19:23 -!- dactor [~3e96631e@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Session timeout)] 19:23 < iisca> Well my nightmare is my bus takes off, gains popularity, but then loses users because response times are slow (server doesnt scale) 19:23 < Bdragon> Then only the dynamic stuff that requires server side computation contributes to your "main" webserver's load 19:23 < Godsey> like lighttpd w/ aio-sendfile 19:23 < iisca> ah i see 19:24 < mwalling> need 2 ips for that though, wouldnt you? 19:24 < Godsey> no 19:24 < iisca> so apache 2.2 runs my scripts, lighttpd serves static data (cached views etc) 19:24 < Bdragon> Or you can run pound, perlbal, etc 19:24 < Bdragon> (instead of 2 ips) 19:24 < Bdragon> Right 19:25 < Godsey> iisca: but really there is no point 19:25 < Godsey> if your site gets loaded, buy another server and balance them 19:25 < Godsey> if you're not making any money give up :) 19:25 < Bdragon> There's many ways to scale.. 19:25 < iisca> Godsey: thats kinda what i was leaning towards. I could spend all my time trying to squeeze a few cyccles out, but id rather spend my time developing my app 19:26 < Godsey> it's always easy to throw money at a problem 19:27 < Godsey> espically when 1000 page views / minute = $6/mo 19:28 < iisca> :). ok - so I've decided apache 2.2. But should I run mpm-worker (with fastcgi) or prefok with mod_php? 19:28 < Godsey> I make about $0.40/20 page views off adsense alone 19:28 < Godsey> iisca: why bother w/ fastcgi? 19:28 < Bdragon> Frankly, prefork is good enough 19:28 < Bdragon> Why bother unless it becomes a problem? 19:29 < Godsey> on one of my servers I use php as a cgi 19:29 < SpaceHobo> s/unless/until/ 19:29 < SpaceHobo> ew php 19:29 * Rei-chan will be buying more linodes to load balance if a portal I'm working on takes off. 19:29 < Godsey> I use spawn them under jail 19:29 < Godsey> works pretty slick :) 19:29 * Bdragon codes php for a living, but in Drupal so it's not as bad ;) 19:29 -!- andrew_j_w [~andrew@88-97-29-168.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29 * Rei-chan looked at Drupal. 19:29 < Godsey> I do php and coldfusion for a living. 19:30 < Godsey> mainly perl to support my sysadmin needs 19:30 < SpaceHobo> ew perl 19:30 < Bdragon> Heh 19:30 < Godsey> and which language do you perfer? 19:30 < Bdragon> "I just use common lisp for everything" 19:30 < caker> scheme 19:30 < Godsey> fortran :P 19:31 < Bdragon> Haskell! 19:31 < Godsey> fortran programmers know how to use the bitbucket 19:31 < Rei-chan> Isn't Ruby absurdly popular these days? :) 19:31 < caker> indeed 19:31 < Godsey> SpaceHobo: which language? 19:32 < Godsey> Rei-chan: no 19:32 < SpaceHobo> Godsey: I find python good enough to put up with the whitespace. Ruby's nice but it still has the @^%@#variable decoration problem 19:32 -!- Schroeder2 [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s156.cinergycom.net] has joined #linode 19:32 < SpaceHobo> Godsey: I find that everything perl does can be done better by either python, or some mix of shell/awk/sed 19:33 < Godsey> shell/awk/sed isn't multibyte friendly 19:33 < Godsey> same with ruby really (at least I think it still lacks i18n) 19:33 < SpaceHobo> Current versions of Gawk support Unicode. 19:34 < SpaceHobo> my environment is utf-8 and bash seems to do just fine 19:34 < Godsey> ok echo a string with both " and ' enclosed strings. 19:34 < SpaceHobo> cat < Lol " '' '''""' '''" Internet 19:35 < SpaceHobo> END 19:35 < SpaceHobo> or in python you just use """ 19:35 < Godsey> I like: q/ :) 19:35 < SpaceHobo> I'm not sure why sexual orientation is relevant in this conversation. 19:36 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s115.cinergycom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:36 < iisca> Bdragon: yea but when im setting it up i mine as well choose the one that gives me best performance. 19:37 < SpaceHobo> also GNU sed understands Unicode. 19:37 < Bdragon> You'll get a lot more bang for the buck running an opcode cache 19:37 < SpaceHobo> just looking at the unicode support for the tools I mentioned 19:37 < iisca> right, im gonna do that as well. 19:38 < SpaceHobo> Godsey: you understand that """This kind of " and '-ignoring string""" is what I'm talking about, right? 19:38 < iisca> u recommend APC or eaccelerator? 19:38 < Bdragon> Both apache and lighttpd can be tuned for speed up the wazoo 19:39 < Bdragon> Also add xcache to the list 19:39 < Bdragon> I personally use eaccelerator, but that's because it's easiest to install via pkgsrc. 19:39 < Bdragon> xcache is quite popular lately as well 19:40 < Bdragon> Any of them is vastly better than nothing 19:40 < Godsey> SpaceHobo: yes 19:40 < SpaceHobo> Godsey: Apology accepted, then. 19:41 < iisca> ok, lemme rephrase, which one is the most stable? ive heard some bad stories about seg faults in opt code caches causing apache to crash... 19:41 < Bdragon> iisca: Nobody agrees on that 19:41 < Bdragon> Some people have problems with one and no problems with another 19:41 < Bdragon> But the "problem one" for everybody is not the same one 19:41 < Godsey> iisca: I don't use any caching 19:42 < Bdragon> So just try them all until one works reliably for you ;) 19:43 < iisca> was afraid you were gonna say that :). As you can tell i hate spending time on tuning, but its importatnt to me. 19:43 < Bdragon> iisca: I have tried eaccelerator and it works great for me. But I don't run apache.. 19:44 < Bdragon> I do know that it's a bad idea to run mod_php with a threaded MPM ;) 19:44 < iisca> Bdragon: why'd u chose lighttpd? 19:45 < Bdragon> Because I liked the ideas behind it? 19:45 < Bdragon> I started out on a linode 160 and webserving was near the bottom as far as importance when I started 19:45 < iisca> ah ok. 19:45 < Bdragon> I started with lighttpd because I liked the small footprint 19:46 < Godsey> iisca: ab reports 90/sec on a php page that opens a mysql db and does select 1 19:46 < Godsey> and that's over the internet, not localhost 19:46 < Godsey> iisca: and really if you are worried about performace, use zeus 19:46 < Bdragon> heh 19:47 < Godsey> is lighttpd faster than tux for static content? 19:47 < Bdragon> You're comparing a usermode webserver to a kernelmode webserver? 19:48 < Bdragon> It's hard to get faster than a kernelmode webserver. 19:48 < iisca> never heard of zeus, just looked - does not look like its open source, is it? 19:48 < Godsey> I don't know that tux can use aio-sendfile 19:48 < Godsey> no, it's not. 19:48 < SpaceHobo> wait, what kernel mode webserver? 19:48 < Godsey> http://www.zeus.com/news/press_articles/030707-001.html 19:48 < Bdragon> I believe tux would have the files loaded into kernel mem 19:48 < Bdragon> godsey mentioned tux 19:48 < SpaceHobo> ha tux! 19:49 < SpaceHobo> tux also lacks the ability to do anything other than static files, I believe 19:49 < Bdragon> Well, of course 19:49 < SpaceHobo> and um, if there's a security flaw... 19:49 < Bdragon> Heh 19:49 < SpaceHobo> and you know, it's not like tux has a vast community of sysadmins running it in production environments 19:49 < Bdragon> Also, you can't run kernel mode webservers on linode (unless it's built into the linode kernel) :P 19:49 < Bdragon> Heh 19:49 < SpaceHobo> that too 19:50 < Bdragon> If you're that desperate for speed, you need to get more hardware. 19:50 < Bdragon> sendfile is good enough. 19:50 < SpaceHobo> or work out your layout better 19:50 < SpaceHobo> chances are you just need to do some caching proxies or something similar 19:51 < SpaceHobo> break out your front end 19:51 < iisca> um wow. too bad i dont got the loot for that. I guess if my site ever takes off i will lookinto it. 19:52 < Bdragon> Yeah, many busy sites just throw the whole thing behind a set of squids 19:53 < iisca> yea, just wanted to make the best decision with what i got available before i go live. 19:54 < iisca> only got 1 linode, trying to squeeze all i can out of it 19:54 < Godsey> wonder why squid, oops is faster :) 19:55 < caker> iisca: there's always migrating to one of our Xen hosts, too 19:55 < iisca> I tried that - they said there was no more available... 19:55 < iisca> I just signed up for linode about a week ago. 19:55 < iisca> is there some space avail now? 19:55 < Godsey> this is also important: http://www.web100.org/ 19:55 < caker> ok .. we should have some in Dallas next week 19:56 < iisca> yea my node is in dallas. sorry for my ignorance, but xen should give me better performance (more bang for my buck). 19:57 < caker> Yes. Less overhead in the virtualization layer, plus SMP (4 CPUS) vs one with UML 19:57 -!- darkbeholder [darkbehold@c220-239-10-63.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:57 < Godsey> caker: is disk i/o better? 19:57 < iisca> pimp. I'll just get an email when xen space is avail? 19:57 < caker> iisca: if you have a request in already, yes 19:57 < iisca> cool. 19:58 < iisca> ok thanks everyone for the help. really appreciate it. 19:58 < caker> Godsey: same, or minimal improvement I think. Honestly, I haven't compared, but in theory there should be no difference 19:58 < caker> no token-limiter in Xen (yet?) 19:58 < Deckert> caker: has there been any quantitative performance tests done between UML and Xen on one of your hosts? 19:58 < Godsey> I wanted to experiment w/ giving each xen host a physical drive 19:59 < caker> Deckert: random tests here and there .. kernel builds and such 19:59 < Godsey> via iscsi or maybe ataoe 19:59 < Deckert> caker: and is the difference really that significant? 19:59 < iisca> ah, 1 more thing. caker: is there some remote db hosting in linode? i thought i ran across some page saying there was but cant find it. like running db server somplace other than ur linode. 19:59 < caker> iisca: not any more -- those were ancient posts 20:00 < iisca> ah that explains it. u use cakePHP? that why ur named caker? 20:00 < caker> heh, no -- my name IRL is christopher aker 20:01 < iisca> ah ok. later. 20:01 -!- Deckert [~Deckert@dsl-240-141-81.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02 -!- Deckert [~Deckert@dsl-240-141-81.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #linode 20:03 -!- iisca [~ryan@24-159-201-157.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:03 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@c-76-108-49-255.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #linode 20:03 < caker> Deckert: from about a year ago (same kernel tree): UML make -j1 build: 17m29s, Xen make -j1 build: 5m40s 20:04 < Deckert> caker: gosh .. same host more or less? 20:04 < caker> Deckert: make -j6 on Xen: 2m27s 20:04 < caker> yes, it was the same host 20:04 < caker> and, we've got way faster hardware now, too :) 20:04 < Deckert> interresting - I still don;t have any reason to migrate (too happy with current stability) ... 20:05 < Deckert> caker: but very interresting figures 20:06 < caker> my bad .. 2m27s was the host for make -j6, 3m8s was Xen with -j6 20:06 * Deckert nods 20:08 * Deckert is off to bed - 3am in this TZ 20:12 -!- digx [~digx@c-76-109-201-140.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:13 -!- besonen_mobile_ [~besonen_m@71-220-198-145.eugn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:15 < Rei-chan> ... did I sign up for the last Xen host on Dallas? 20:19 -!- sethrd [LinodeJava@adsl-76-214-82-226.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #linode 20:22 -!- sethrd [LinodeJava@adsl-76-214-82-226.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 20:23 -!- sethrd [LinodeJava@adsl-76-214-82-226.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #linode 20:25 -!- sethrd [LinodeJava@adsl-76-214-82-226.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 20:29 -!- tolecnal [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:34 < paulcager> !avail 20:34 < linbot> paulcager: Linode360 - 50, Linode540 - 0, Linode720 - 25, Linode1080 - 5, Linode1440 - 5 20:35 -!- tolecnal [tolecnal@xiro.net] has joined #linode 20:36 < Rei-chan> !help 20:36 < linbot> Rei-chan: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 20:36 < Rei-chan> Well, that was informative. :) 20:36 < tpope> !help avail 20:36 < linbot> tpope: (avail ) -- Alias for "linodeavail $*". 20:37 < tpope> !help linodeavail 20:37 < linbot> tpope: (linodeavail takes no arguments) -- Gets the availability of each Linode plan type 20:37 < tpope> learn something new every day 20:37 < tpope> no wait, that wasn't new at all 20:37 < mwalling> !rr 20:37 < Rei-chan> !help uno 20:37 < linbot> mwalling: *click* 20:37 < tpope> !rr 20:37 < linbot> tpope: *click* 20:37 * Rei-chan judges bots on their ability to play uno and tell the weather. 20:37 < Rei-chan> !wz 38122 20:38 < Rei-chan> Strictly a work bot, I see. 20:38 < tpope> well, if you count russian roulette as work 20:38 < tpope> !help weather 20:38 < linbot> tpope: (weather ) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city. 20:38 < tpope> !weather 78213 20:38 < linbot> tpope: Temperature: 44°F / 7°C | Humidity: 49% | Pressure: 30.38in / 1028hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the upper 20s. East winds 5 to 10 mph...decreasing to light and variable after midnight.; Sunday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 50s. Southeast winds 5 mph increasing to 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.; Sunday Night - Cloudy. A 40 percent chance (1 more message) 20:38 < tpope> tada 20:39 -!- paulcager [~paul@cpc4-stok8-0-0-cust535.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39 < clanehin> !weather rdu 20:39 < linbot> clanehin: Temperature: 34°F / 1°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy with a chance of snow this evening...then partly cloudy after midnight. Additional snow accumulation around an inch possible. Colder with lows in the lower 20s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 40 percent.; Sunday - Sunny and cold. Highs (1 more message) 20:40 < mwalling> !weather alb 20:40 < linbot> mwalling: Temperature: 29°F / -2°C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of snow showers this evening...then partly cloudy after midnight. Lows around 13. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.; Sunday - Partly sunny. Highs around 18. West winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to (1 more message) 20:42 < clanehin> !rr 20:42 -!- clanehin was kicked from #linode by linbot [BANG!] 20:42 * linbot reloads and spins the chambers. 20:42 -!- clanehin [~lane@cpe-069-134-066-130.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 20:43 < clanehin> !weather 20:43 < linbot> clanehin: (weather ) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city. 20:44 < JDLSpeedy> !weather sorrento, fl 20:44 < linbot> JDLSpeedy: Temperature: 67.3°F / 19.6°C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011.1hPa | Conditions: Rain | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy this evening then becoming partly cloudy overnight. Breezy and cooler by early morning. Showers and strong thunderstorms likely in the evening. Some storms may become severe with damaging winds. Lows in the mid 40s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 (2 more messages) 20:45 < Rei-chan> Oooh. 20:45 < Rei-chan> !weather 33822 20:46 < Rei-chan> "Er, no. 20:46 < Rei-chan> !weather 38122 20:46 < linbot> Rei-chan: Temperature: 25°F / -4°C | Humidity: 46% | Pressure: 30.43in / 1030hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Tonight - Colder. Mostly clear. Lows 15 to 20. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Sunday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 30s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Sunday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 20s. Southeast winds around 10 mph.; 20:46 -!- Rifkin [~rifkin@procyondesign.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:46 < Rei-chan> New zip. Ah, I see its positive %$^#stick outside. 20:48 -!- besonen_mobile [~besonen_m@71-220-198-145.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #linode 21:01 < schmichael> !weather 61606 21:01 < linbot> schmichael: Temperature: 2°F / -17°C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 30.47in / 1032hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h ; Tonight - Bitterly cold. Clear. Lows around 7 below. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Wind chill readings 14 below to 24 below zero.; Sunday - Bitterly cold. Increasing clouds. Highs around 14. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Lowest wind chill readings 10 below to 20 below (1 more message) 21:01 < schmichael> :( 21:12 -!- Ascii [~ccn@tz.tztalk.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:12 -!- Ascii [~ccn@tz.tztalk.com] has joined #linode 21:21 -!- ^GaveUp^ [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 21:24 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25 -!- Toba_ [~eastein@balin.truct.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:25 -!- Toba_ [~eastein@balin.truct.org] has joined #linode 21:25 -!- ramis [~3e96631e@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Session timeout)] 21:31 -!- ^GaveUp^ [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [synthon.oftc.net tachyon.oftc.net] 21:31 -!- Ascii [~ccn@tz.tztalk.com] has quit [synthon.oftc.net tachyon.oftc.net] 21:31 -!- besonen_mobile [~besonen_m@71-220-198-145.eugn.qwest.net] has quit [synthon.oftc.net tachyon.oftc.net] 21:31 -!- tolecnal [tolecnal@xiro.net] has quit [synthon.oftc.net tachyon.oftc.net] 21:31 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@c-76-108-49-255.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [synthon.oftc.net tachyon.oftc.net] 21:31 -!- Schroeder2 [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s156.cinergycom.net] has quit [synthon.oftc.net tachyon.oftc.net] 21:31 -!- dc0e [~dc0e@c-69-243-116-60.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [synthon.oftc.net tachyon.oftc.net] 21:31 -!- Craigory [~acc87eca@webuser.linode.com] has quit [synthon.oftc.net tachyon.oftc.net] 21:31 -!- tpope [tpope@dsl093-214-040.sat1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [synthon.oftc.net tachyon.oftc.net] 21:31 -!- Pryon [~Pryon@c-76-18-90-150.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [synthon.oftc.net tachyon.oftc.net] 21:31 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has quit [synthon.oftc.net tachyon.oftc.net] 21:31 -!- f8 [~buddyw@mail.budw.net] has quit [synthon.oftc.net tachyon.oftc.net] 21:32 -!- ^GaveUp^ [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 21:32 -!- Ascii [~ccn@tz.tztalk.com] has joined #linode 21:32 -!- besonen_mobile [~besonen_m@71-220-198-145.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #linode 21:32 -!- tolecnal [tolecnal@xiro.net] has joined #linode 21:32 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@c-76-108-49-255.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #linode 21:32 -!- Schroeder2 [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s156.cinergycom.net] has joined #linode 21:32 -!- dc0e [~dc0e@c-69-243-116-60.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #linode 21:32 -!- Craigory [~acc87eca@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 21:32 -!- tpope [tpope@dsl093-214-040.sat1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #linode 21:32 -!- Pryon [~Pryon@c-76-18-90-150.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #linode 21:32 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has joined #linode 21:32 -!- f8 [~buddyw@mail.budw.net] has joined #linode 21:41 -!- Athenon_ [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:41 -!- Athenon [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #linode 21:50 < Tenkawa> evening all 21:50 < Tenkawa> whats new 21:57 -!- Craigory [~acc87eca@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Session timeout)] 22:04 < Athenon> CRAP 22:05 < Athenon> craigory entered an invalid password too many times on my hotmail account and it got locked 22:06 < mwalling> Athenon: sounds like a wonderful friend to have :) 22:06 < Athenon> hes not a friend 22:06 < Athenon> hes a big asshole 22:07 < mwalling> oh i know, i've had them 22:07 < Athenon> how do i get rid of him? -_- 22:07 < caker> /ignore ? 22:07 < Athenon> caker: ignoring doesnt unfreeze an msn account 22:08 < Athenon> and he IS on ignore 22:08 < tpope> why would msn have a abusable policy like that 22:08 < scorche> then i suppose you shouldnt use hotmail.. 22:08 < tpope> and why use a provider that does... 22:08 < opello> haha 22:08 < Athenon> ive had it for years...i got it when i was like 10 or something 22:09 < tpope> well consider this a cue to begin a gradual migration to gmail 22:09 < tpope> craigory did you a favor :) 22:09 < Athenon> no. 22:09 < Athenon> im happy where i am 22:09 < Athenon> if hed just leave me the hell alone 22:10 < tpope> even though they've given your arch nemesis the ability to lock you out of your email 22:10 < tpope> you're happy? 22:10 < Athenon> this isnt my fault...i dont appreciate you making it like it is. 22:10 < tpope> I'm not saying it is 22:10 -!- bhale [brandon@brandonhale.us] has joined #linode 22:11 < Athenon> sorry, im tense right now...hes pissing off and i dont know how to get rid of him 22:11 < tpope> but if you leave yourself in a vulnerable position you're just setting yourself up for further disappointment 22:11 < scorche> just like leaving a port open on your server and if someone comes in and does something malicious it isnt your fault? 22:11 < mwalling> Athenon: the real life version of /ignore 22:11 < mwalling> it takes a while, but trolls get bored 22:11 < tpope> who the hell is this guy anyways 22:11 < Athenon> an idiot. 22:11 < tpope> why is he a part of your life at all 22:11 < tpope> co-worker? classmate? neighbor? 22:11 < Athenon> i dunno, he lives in the UK...i had a server as part of his network at one time...he was fine then 22:11 < mwalling> tpope: he popped in here earlier trying to get Athenon's account yanked for running an ircd 22:12 < Athenon> not at all...i only know him online -_- 22:12 < tpope> oh wow 22:12 < A-KO> scorche: "leaving a port open" lolololololololol 22:12 < A-KO> man 22:12 < A-KO> come on now 22:13 < A-KO> There's no such thing as "leaving a port open" 22:13 < A-KO> Your computer just doesn't vulnerably "listen on ports" 22:13 < A-KO> Technically speaking if you're running no services that listen on public interfaces you don't need any sort of firewall. 22:13 < scorche> yeah, but i havent had anything to eat today and you get the point.. 22:13 < A-KO> And obviously if you are running public services, blocking access to that is not a necessity. 22:14 < A-KO> actually, stating it in that manner makes you look like a fool :/ 22:14 < A-KO> Athenon: You should choose who you talk to on the internet more wisely 22:15 < A-KO> Athenon: script kiddies aren't a good group to talk to 22:15 < Athenon> i didnt know he was one at the time 22:15 < Athenon> or i wouldnt have 22:15 < A-KO> stay away from counterstrike, people who have botnets, people who are going to "teach you hacking" lol. 22:15 < mikegrb> lolz 22:15 < Athenon> i didnt know he had a botnet at the time 22:16 < mwalling> omg im going to pownzor your ass with my now scope awp kill 22:16 < mwalling> dude... pump shottie, back door 22:17 < A-KO> haha mwalling 22:17 < A-KO> mwalling: It's just I've found there are just too many packet kiddies or people with that mentality in the counterstrike arena 22:17 < mwalling> i had friends in highschool who played CS way too much 22:17 < mwalling> totally agree with you 22:18 < A-KO> I dunno what it is either.... 22:19 < A-KO> like what attracts them to that game 22:19 < A-KO> but there were all sorts of groups based on 'em 22:19 < A-KO> myg0t, etc. 22:19 < Rei-chan> are ircds against the linode terms of service? I don't feel like opening firefox. 22:19 < A-KO> no Rei-chan 22:19 < mwalling> Rei-chan: not at all 22:19 < Rei-chan> so, this guy just decided "ZOMG IRCD EV1 HATES THOSE I'LL GET HIM BANZORED!" 22:19 < caker> oftc has a few Linode nodes, fwiw :) 22:19 * Rei-chan got a second IP for an ircd. :) 22:20 < A-KO> I would run a linode ircd if it weren't for running out of atlanta, but it's not too big of a deal 22:20 < mwalling> Rei-chan: sounds about right 22:20 < A-KO> I do run an eggdrop off of mine 22:20 < caker> (sponsored by Linode) 22:20 < Rei-chan> I was wondering wy you're not on freenode. 22:20 < opello> as a point of interest ... what's wrong with counter-strike? :p 22:20 < mwalling> caker: so thats how you're a netrep? 22:20 < Rei-chan> Two words: Bunny hopping. 22:20 < caker> mwalling: yup 22:20 < A-KO> opello: Not too much with the game, it's the people. 22:20 < A-KO> Many of the mentalities of the gamers are just so bad 22:20 < Rei-chan> That's right, keep jumping. 22:21 < opello> Rei-chan: that's quake, heh 22:21 < mwalling> its like gentoo :) 22:21 * Rei-chan plays halo for PC eery once in a blue moon. 22:21 < Rei-chan> I LOVE the CS kiddies. 22:21 < opello> A-KO: i'll give you that, some of the people are pretty bad 22:21 < Rei-chan> That's right, bunny hop and play with the sniper rifle. 22:22 * Rei-chan plays a lot of, at times, SWAT 4. 22:22 < Rei-chan> I enjoy the CS mentality in SWAT 4. It means I'm doing my job right. 22:22 < Rei-chan> You're not playing right till people call you a homosexual and suggest that you're not human. 22:24 < mwalling> heh 22:24 < Rei-chan> "Fucking aimbot!" 22:24 < Rei-chan> Batou_Parrot has neutralized Idiot with the SMG. 22:24 < Rei-chan> If I were using aimbot, it wouldn't of taken 25 rounds to kill someone. 22:30 < mwalling> hehe 22:35 * linbot takes aim 22:36 < opello> !rr 22:36 < linbot> opello: *click* 22:40 -!- cramer_as8758 [~cramer_as@fiji.dolphins.ch] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:41 -!- cramer_as8758 [~cramer_as@fiji.dolphins.ch] has joined #linode 22:50 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@c-76-108-49-255.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:21 < linbot> New news from forums: Negative Time Delta Error w/Gameserver in Xen Public Beta 23:41 -!- Antharro|away [Antharro@dragonsblood.force9.co.uk] has joined #linode 23:42 < Antharro|away> Hi all :) 23:42 < caker> hello 23:42 -!- Schroeder2 [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s156.cinergycom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:42 -!- Antharro|away is now known as Antharro 23:42 < Antharro> Could I bug someone with an Apache config issue please? 23:42 < caker> ask away 23:44 < Antharro> I have a few virtual servers set up, which Apache seems fine with. These are located in /home/htdocs/website.com. One of the sites has a cgi-bin directory which Apache isn't looking at correctly. I don't know what I need to put in the virtual server's config to make it look in the correct location for cgi scripts. 23:44 < Antharro> It's looking in /var/www/cgi-bin instead of /home/htdocs/website.com/cgi-bin 23:45 < caker> ScriptAlias /cgi-bin /path/to/cgi-bin 23:45 < Antharro> Hmm, that's what I thought. Lemme go check it again. 23:45 < caker> ^-- inside the directives 23:45 -!- digx [~digx@c-76-109-201-140.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #linode 23:45 -!- digx [~digx@c-76-109-201-140.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [] 23:46 -!- digx [~digx@c-76-109-201-140.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #linode 23:47 < Antharro> Okay, was missing the -bin off the first cgi-bin. So it's now looking in the right place but has an issue with the script; "premature end of script headers". 23:47 < Antharro> But thanks for sorting that first issue! :) 23:47 < caker> Antharro: tail -f error_log 23:49 < Antharro> error_log presumably being the error log for that particular site... 23:49 < Antharro> Hmm, interesting. 23:52 < Antharro> Premature end of script headers: bnbform.cgi, referer: (website referrer here) 23:56 < Antharro> Oh. Got a "No such file or directory" error in there, too. 23:57 < Antharro> Well, the file and directory definitely exist. 23:57 < Antharro> File is CHMODded to 777, just to cover all possibilites there. 23:58 < caker> hmm --- Log closed Sat Jan 19 23:59:01 2008