--- Day changed --- Log opened Mon Jan 21 23:59:01 2008 00:00 -!- stepphenm00 [~9968bc3b@67.18.186.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01 * CDMoyer makes a note... boot taking to long, make a forum post, it'll boot 1 minute later. 00:02 -!- CDMoyer [~CDMoyer@cpe-76-180-99-185.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: CDMoyer] 00:03 -!- CDMoyer [~cmoyer@darkwing.inarow.net] has joined #linode 00:03 -!- esoterik [~esoterik@178.90.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has joined #linode 00:07 < bd__> mmm thrashing disk is thrashing 00:08 -!- Peng [~mnordhoff@fl-76-4-103-184.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #linode 00:20 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s33.cinergycom.net] has joined #linode 00:31 -!- Demonicpagan [~440fd223@67.18.186.61] has joined #linode 00:32 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:32 < Demonicpagan> ok, i'm finding this totally strange 00:32 < Demonicpagan> according to my linode control panel, my linode is powered off, yet i am connected to it 00:32 < Bdragon> F5? 00:33 < Battousai> B12 00:33 < Bdragon> Or do you have more than one and are looking at the wrong one? 00:33 < Battousai> BINGO 00:33 < Demonicpagan> no, i only have one 00:33 < Bdragon> Or it could be an actual bug 00:33 < Battousai> i bet mikegrb did it 00:33 < Bdragon> I mean, there was that recent move to new hardware ;) 00:34 < Bdragon> Also, fremont34 was being weird earlier 00:34 < Battousai> new software too, they seem to have it on a xen box now 00:34 < Demonicpagan> that's what i have 00:34 < Demonicpagan> fremont34 00:35 < Demonicpagan> dashboard: Your Linode is currently Powered Off 00:35 < Bdragon> OK, then I blame it on the freakiness from earlier. 00:35 < Bdragon> http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3060 00:36 -!- bd__ [~bd@bryan-donlan.um.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:36 < Bdragon> Might want to followup on the thread there 00:37 < Demonicpagan> looking 00:38 < Demonicpagan> JobID: 446311 - Lassie initiated boot | Status Failed 00:38 < Demonicpagan> it booted though 00:39 < Bdragon> Do you have a bunch of recent job ids suddenly? 00:39 < Demonicpagan> nope 00:40 < Bdragon> Well, I'd followup with your observations, certainly looks like there's something weird going on with the queue... 00:40 < Demonicpagan> not since i had to reboot the box myself earlier because it had a cpu spike and just stopped responding 00:45 < Demonicpagan> http://www.stelth2000inc.com/linode/graph.png <- earlier when I was in here wondering if there was something up w/ fremont and mentioned a cpu spike 00:47 -!- bd_ [~foo@satoko.is.fushizen.net] has joined #linode 00:50 -!- clanehin [~lane@cpe-069-134-066-130.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:50 < CDMoyer> looks like a spike before the reboot and then a little one for the boot ups 00:54 -!- taupehat [me@taupehat.com] has joined #linode 00:57 < taupehat> hey caker or staff 00:57 < taupehat> requesting a support-type PM 00:57 < Schroeder> Hot damn! Tony Dungy's staying one one more year! 00:58 < taupehat> apparently my dashboard thinks my node is powered off 00:58 < taupehat> it was rebooted 00:58 < taupehat> without me knowing 00:58 < taupehat> something's _up_ 00:58 < CDMoyer> are you on fremont34? 00:58 < taupehat> no 00:59 < taupehat> oh wait 00:59 < taupehat> yes I am 00:59 < taupehat> used to be on host56.fremont. 00:59 < CDMoyer> http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3060 00:59 < taupehat> yeah 00:59 < taupehat> see that 00:59 < taupehat> forgot my host got changed 00:59 < taupehat> it's acting _weird_ though 01:03 < Demonicpagan> taupe, i'm experiencing the same thing 01:04 < Demonicpagan> my node has only been back up for an hour 01:04 < taupehat> ah well 01:04 < taupehat> someone's having more fun than I am, presumably 01:05 < Demonicpagan> [TOP] Uptime: 1:21 :: 0 users :: load avg: 0.11 :: MEM: 890,624K / 80.5% free ( 215,504K of 1,106,128K in use - 16,552K buffers ) < SWAP: 0K/262,136K in use {:: 262,136K / 100.0% free - 86,588K cached ::} > [ CPU(s): 77.2% idle (u/0.1%, sys/0.0%, n/0.0%) ] { Processes: 79 (sl/78, r/1, z/0, st/0) } 01:05 * Demonicpagan loves his eggdrop script 01:13 -!- Athenon [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:17 < linbot> New news from forums: Negative Time Delta Error w/Gameserver in Xen Public Beta 01:25 -!- FireSlash [~FireSlash@68-31-55-35.area4.spcsdns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:46 -!- Karnaugh [~karnaugh@siza.thusa.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 01:46 -!- Karnaugh [~karnaugh@siza.thusa.net] has joined #linode 01:52 -!- irgeek [~jcsincla@cealsa01.centamin.com] has joined #linode 01:57 -!- scorche` [Blah@cpe-76-169-210-85.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 02:00 -!- Demonicpagan [~440fd223@67.18.186.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03 -!- scorche [Blah@cpe-76-169-210-85.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:03 -!- scorche` is now known as scorche 02:27 < linbot> New news from forums: Best BitTorrent Client ? in General Discussion 02:33 < jimd> What's this about Linode beta testing Xen? What are the perceived (and measured) benefits? (Other than the fact that Xen seems to be "taking off" in the mainstream and will be more widely supported going forward)? 02:33 < linbot> New news from forums: Weird problem with winSCP *_* in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum || Ping from within bash? in General Discussion 02:34 < irgeek> jimd: At the moment, your Linode gets multiple virtual processors so SMP works better and disk IO is supposed to be faster. I haven't signed up, but those are the things I've heard. 02:35 < jimd> irgeek Ummm, I think I'm still on UML for now; I was just curious about the Xen beta; but haven't read that page yet 02:39 < jimd> Whoa! I just noticed the dates on the forums message threads. Wow! That's a long beta 02:54 < erikh> great engineering takes time 02:56 < SpaceHobo> well I was under the impression that the Xen tests were on hold until some features of Xen appear or it stabilizes enough for caker to write some features that Linode needs (I/O token system I think) 03:01 -!- irgeek [~jcsincla@cealsa01.centamin.com] has quit [Quit: irgeek] 03:18 -!- cout [~cout@c-68-58-247-49.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 03:18 -!- cout [~cout@c-68-58-247-49.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has joined #linode 03:19 -!- scorche` [Blah@cpe-76-169-210-85.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 03:19 -!- scorche [Blah@cpe-76-169-210-85.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:19 -!- scorche` is now known as scorche 03:21 * Toba is under no impressions whatsoever 03:21 < Toba> my linode works in the UML system and until there is a reliable and worryless way to switch 03:21 < Toba> I am not going to even think about it :) 04:01 -!- marcel 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[~hky@freedom.omegasite.org] has joined #linode 04:52 -!- fo0bar [fo0bar@feh.colobox.com] has joined #linode 04:54 -!- wigg [~bung@pool-72-83-152-147.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #linode 04:57 -!- antday [~cba15304@67.18.186.61] has joined #linode 04:58 -!- hpj [~hpj@189.190.13.164] has joined #linode 05:03 -!- antday [~cba15304@67.18.186.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:57 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@host-84-9-51-162.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:58 -!- antday [~cba15304@67.18.186.61] has joined #linode 05:58 < antday> boy am i stuck 05:58 < antday> I have a linode running at 100% 05:59 < antday> with no way of getting at it 05:59 < antday> has anyone here had something like that happen b4 06:26 -!- Antitribu [~simon@li9-122.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 06:26 -!- Antitribu [~simon@li9-122.members.linode.com] has left #linode [] 06:28 -!- Antitribu [~simon@li9-122.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 06:29 -!- Antitribu [~simon@li9-122.members.linode.com] has left #linode [] 06:32 < Internat> what do u mean u cant get to it 06:36 -!- Hobbsee [~hobbsee@124.188.230.36] has joined #linode 06:40 < linbot`> New news from forums: just getting started in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum 06:49 -!- brtb_ [~brtb@linode.brtb.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 06:49 -!- brtb [~brtb@linode.brtb.net] has joined #linode 06:49 -!- brtb is now known as Guest166 06:51 -!- christz [~christoph@193.170.134.161] has joined #linode 06:51 -!- heidi_ is now known as heidi 06:55 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #linode 06:57 -!- emag [~Itoc5OI6@gurski.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 06:57 -!- emag [~Itoc5OI6@gurski.org] has joined #linode 07:07 -!- mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 07:07 -!- mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netrep.oftc.net] has joined #linode 07:07 -!- mode/#linode [+o mikegrb] by ChanServ 07:20 < antday> hi internat, canot get to it via ssh/webmin 07:20 < antday> can see on teh dashboard its running at 100% cpu 07:21 < antday> hoping its not that I signed on for teh xen beta 07:22 < opello> can you get to it with lish? 07:22 < antday> I have not tried that - is lish an ssh client? 07:23 < opello> it's a 'serial console' for your node, running inside a screen session 07:23 < antday> ok 07:23 < opello> from the dashboard, go to the remote access tab 07:24 < opello> ssh @host..linode.com; and you'll log in with your linode account username and password (from which you can log in with root and your root password, and see what's going on) 07:26 < antday> ok , thanks , how would I see whats taking up 100% cpu ( sorry for noob questions ) - considering I rebooted several times, I'm guessing its something in startup 07:26 < opello> top? 07:26 < Internat> what makes u think its using 100% cpu usage 07:26 < antday> ok 07:26 < antday> can see from dashboard 07:26 < Internat> ... 07:28 < Internat> in the cpu usage graph? 07:28 < Internat> check ur io tokens 07:28 < Internat> check that you have some form of swap activated 07:29 < Internat> top will give u what stuff is running etc 07:29 < Internat> feel free to poast on pb.linode.com if you want us to look 07:29 < opello> sorted by cpu though, so if there is a runaway process it should be obvious 07:30 < opello> (in top, that is) 07:30 < opello> good luck! time to get ready for work 07:31 < antday> thanks Internat and opello 07:31 < antday> I'm in lish, just trying to figure out what to do next 07:32 < antday> does not seem to come up with a prompt 07:32 < antday> I think my linode is toast 07:32 < Internat> umm 07:32 < Internat> press ctrl+ad 07:32 < Internat> u should get the lish prompt 07:32 < antday> ah 07:32 < antday> yes, I do 07:33 < Internat> i think status is a command 07:33 < Internat> log_view should be as well 07:34 < antday> top not a command from what I see 07:34 < antday> logview there, thanks 07:34 < Internat> top isnt a command in lish 07:35 < Internat> if u press enter, you should get taken to ur linodes login prompt 07:35 < antday> nope - looks like its halfway through some sort of boot sequence 07:36 < Internat> :( 07:36 < Internat> that would suck 07:36 < antday> oh yes 07:36 < Internat> might be worth changing to single user mode and rebooting 07:37 < antday> that'll teach me to sign up for xen without considering teh consequences 07:37 < Internat> oh 07:37 < Internat> did u just change from uml to xen? 07:37 < Internat> did u run the xenify distro on boot thing? 07:38 < antday> I just pushed the button when tehy asked me to, is that the process that runs afterwards 07:38 < antday> my xen transfer was about 2 weeks ago 07:38 < Internat> oh 07:38 < antday> been running ok 07:38 < Internat> ok then thats wierd 07:39 < antday> just suddenly this afternoon ( australian time ) it started using 100% and I could not access 07:39 < Internat> <== in brisbane :) 07:39 < antday> I was thinking DDOS or something but there is no network access 07:39 < antday> ah 07:39 < antday> perth me 07:39 < antday> sorry - its late in brissie 07:40 < Internat> umm i would recommend rebooting into single user mode and try looking at the logs 07:40 < antday> ok - one more q, how do I get into sigle user mode 07:40 < Internat> make a new boot profile on ur linode members section 07:40 < antday> ok 07:40 < Internat> and select single user mode :) 07:41 < Internat> use lish to access it when it boots up (no networking) 07:41 < antday> ok 07:41 < antday> ta for the help 07:42 < Internat> np 07:43 < Internat> who im heading to bed. log a ticket with the admins if ur still having issues they should be able to sort you out 07:44 < antday> I've logged one, thanks, have a good sleep 07:49 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 07:53 -!- tolecnal [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:55 -!- Majes [majes@vs3.brokensphere.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 07:55 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:55 -!- Majes [majes@vs3.brokensphere.net] has joined #linode 07:58 < linbot`> New news from forums: Announcement: Pigs in Xen - Linode Xen Beta Test in Xen Public Beta 08:00 -!- tolecnal [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has joined #linode 08:02 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:03 < mikegrb> antday: it's odd 08:03 < mikegrb> your fstab and inittab look fine 08:03 < mikegrb> they are the ususal culprit for this sort of thing 08:03 < mikegrb> and e2fsck says your fs looks good 08:10 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has joined #linode 08:24 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has joined #linode 08:26 -!- bleu [~52fbb137@67.18.186.61] has joined #linode 08:27 < bleu> hi 08:27 < bleu> hlep 08:27 < bleu> anyone alinve 08:27 < bleu> is there a bell anywhere 08:27 < A-KO> how's it going? 08:27 < bleu> oh hii 08:27 < bleu> im stuck 08:28 < A-KO> with? 08:28 < bleu> i am very green 08:28 < A-KO> ok? 08:28 < bleu> have bought the vps 512 ram 08:28 < bleu> no idea what to do next 08:28 < bleu> i have got in on ssh on my mac 08:28 < bleu> somim in 08:28 < bleu> so im in 08:28 < bleu> but i tried to set up php 08:29 < bleu> and it spat at me 08:29 < bleu> i tried this 08:29 < bleu> sec 08:29 -!- Athenon [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #linode 08:29 < bleu> apt-get install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 08:29 < bleu> 2 http://ftp.us.debian.org stable/main php4 6:4.4.4-8+etch1 [1166B] 08:29 < bleu> opps 08:29 < Athenon> Hey guys, I won't be on much today because I'm sick. I may be on again later, I don't know...see you all later. 08:29 -!- Athenon [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [] 08:29 < bleu> basically it did not do anything 08:30 < bleu> do i need to set up php and mysql 08:30 < bleu> as per these instructions 08:30 < bleu> http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_debian_lamp_server 08:30 < bleu> i cannot find anything on the wiki that is helpful 08:31 < bleu> the howto page is not really any help 08:31 < bleu> http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/How_to_setup_your_Linode 08:31 < bleu> this one 08:31 < bleu> does not tell me anything 08:31 < A-KO> I think there's something in the forums to help out. 08:31 < A-KO> I don't use debian so 08:31 < A-KO> or ubuntu 08:31 < bleu> i dont care what i use 08:32 < bleu> im a copmplete novice 08:32 -!- marcel [~marcel@wc-50.r-195-35-150.atwork.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:32 < bleu> i just set that up first as others in the forums recommmended it to tothers 08:32 < bleu> i have been looking in the forums but i cannot find much as a hoto 08:33 -!- Beirdo_ is now known as Beirdo 08:33 < Bdragon> hmm 08:34 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-230-244.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #linode 08:35 < bleu> so can anyone help me get started 08:35 < bleu> do i need to install php 08:36 < bleu> this is really poor 08:36 < bleu> http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/How_to_setup_your_Linode 08:36 < bleu> the advice is not there 08:36 < bleu> nothing 08:36 < A-KO> http://linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3047 08:36 < bleu> all i need is a basic guide 08:36 < bleu> thats 08:36 < bleu> thanks\ 08:38 < bleu> ok 08:38 < bleu> the advice is this 08:38 < bleu> apt-get install apache2 mysql-server php5 08:38 < Bdragon> Wonder if you have to apt-get update first... 08:38 < bleu> but it spits it out 08:38 < bleu> ok i try 08:38 < Bdragon> What do you mean "spits it out" 08:39 < Bdragon> Could you pastebin the exact messages you get? 08:39 < bleu> \loads of this 08:39 < bleu> 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80] 08:39 < bleu> Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/php5/libapache2-mod-php5_5.2.0-8+etch1_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80] 08:40 < bleu> apt-get update 08:40 < bleu> this did something 08:41 < Bdragon> after apt-get update runs, try the apt-get install again... 08:41 < bleu> hey hey 08:41 < bleu> its working 08:41 < bleu> apt-get install apache2 mysql-server php5 08:41 < antday> after you are finished that I recommend installing webmin 08:41 < bleu> ok 08:41 < bleu> sec 08:41 < bleu> its all bleu 08:41 < antday> webmin allows you to manage your server from a web interface 08:41 < Bdragon> It's asking you configuration questions then 08:42 < bleu> yes wants a password 08:42 < Bdragon> mysql root password I assume? 08:42 < bleu> qqqqqqqqqqqqqu Configuring mysql-server-5.0 tqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqk 08:42 < bleu> oops 08:42 < bleu> It is highly recommended that you set a password for the MySQL x 08:42 < bleu> but its not letting me put one in 08:42 < Bdragon> Yep. That's the password for the database administrator account 08:42 < Bdragon> I'm not sure if it actually echos the characters 08:43 < bleu> yea i see 08:43 < bleu> i think i got it 08:43 < bleu> oh 08:43 < bleu> it dont let you go back on mistake 08:43 < bleu> bugger 08:44 -!- britt [~britt@74-130-205-67.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #linode 08:45 < bleu> something went wrong on the passwords 08:45 < bleu> it would not let me edit it 08:45 < britt> im excited! Just signed up for a linode again (after a year of inactivity) just wish i could have my old username 08:45 < bleu> so i have no idea 08:45 < bleu> what it is 08:45 < bleu> i hope i can change it later 08:45 < opello> there's some documentation on the mysql site on how to change it 08:46 < opello> involves mysql-admin, and the server being stopped iirc 08:46 < britt> which datacenter should i choose? 08:46 < opello> or mysqladmin* 08:46 < bleu> thanks 08:46 -!- antday [~cba15304@67.18.186.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:46 < A-KO> britt: Generally TX seems pretty reliable but I think a lot of people go to Atlanta due to location proximity to the eastern seaboard. 08:47 < A-KO> But most generally choose closest to *them* 08:47 < bleu> ok now i think it might have installed mysql 08:47 < britt> I'm in KY...so i think either would be alright. 08:48 < A-KO> tracert to both of 'em 08:48 < A-KO> see what's closer ;) 08:48 < opello> at least in that instantaneous routing test :) 08:48 < bleu> Ok i think its installed php and mysql 08:48 < bleu> now you say i should install webmin 08:49 < britt> do i smell someone installing LAMP 08:49 < A-KO> yes you do 08:49 < A-KO> lol 08:49 < mikegrb> lolz 08:49 < A-KO> I think a lot of people install LAMP primarily on their linodes 08:49 < bleu> hey 08:49 < bleu> im a complete retard 08:49 < britt> i am. i am getting ready to start a developing job at my work 08:49 < bleu> pls advise what i should be doing 08:49 < A-KO> generally I wouldn't get a linode just for lamp 08:49 < bleu> ok 08:49 < A-KO> I mean the freedom is nice 08:49 < bleu> why 08:50 < bleu> im just after good hosting 08:50 < bleu> i have about 15 domains 08:50 < britt> lol. it involves blood from a goat 08:50 < mikegrb> lolz 08:50 < Bdragon> Oh, because there's much MORE you can do than hosting... 08:50 < bleu> some are out growing my old vps 08:50 < Bdragon> ;) 08:50 < A-KO> Well bleu, I look at it this way. At the end of the day, the linode is a lot of backend maintenance and installation in comparison to something like a "web host". 08:50 < A-KO> which involves running your own backup jobs, keeping packages secured and updated--generally solid webhosts will have all of that figured out. 08:51 < britt> bleu: i did mysql, then apache 08:51 < britt> bleu: then i did that libapache2-mod-php4 08:51 < bleu> so whats the main point of a linode 08:51 < A-KO> php5 should be chosen IMO 08:51 < britt> bleu: yeah i had a 50/50 08:52 < bleu> i put in php5 08:52 < A-KO> bleu: it's a virtual private server. It's like having your own remote linux machine. It's quite powerful and will do webhosting, but people also run other programs and projects on it. You get the absolute flexibility with development and design, and you can even run websites off of it and resell them if you want to 08:52 < bleu> im an application developer 08:52 < A-KO> You're not limited by dumbass arbitrary limits of most webhosts like "you only get 1 mysql database", you can create as many databases as you want 08:52 < bleu> i have a few projects but one is scalling 08:53 < bleu> so i need more ram 08:53 < bleu> and somewhwere for it to grow 08:53 < A-KO> Well, just be aware you'll be in for a bit of application/package maintenance if necessary and will need to run your own backup jobs :) 08:53 < bleu> i dont mind getting my hands dirty i can pick yup this shit fast if i have some help 08:53 < bleu> yea 08:54 < bleu> i dont mind thatt 08:54 < bleu> price is importnt for me and this is very competitive 08:54 < bleu> thats why i chose it 08:54 < bleu> i havent used terminal much 08:54 < bleu> sssh 08:54 < bleu> so i need guidence as to what to do 08:55 < bleu> i think i have php5 and mysql set up now with an unknown pass 08:55 < bleu> what to do next 08:55 < A-KO> unknown pass isn't good :D 08:55 -!- caker_ is now known as caker 08:55 < A-KO> try this 08:55 < bleu> na it would not let me edit it 08:55 < A-KO> in your ssh type mysql -u root -p 08:55 < A-KO> see what happens 08:55 < bleu> tar 08:55 -!- quanin [~james@bas13-ottawa23-1088841258.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #linode 08:55 < A-KO> ? 08:56 -!- mode/#linode [+o caker] by ChanServ 08:56 < A-KO> bleu: Try that and see whta it asks for 08:56 < A-KO> a password? 08:56 -!- linbot` is now known as linbot 08:56 < bleu> ok first its stuuck on this 08:56 < bleu> Support MySQL connections from hosts running Debian "sarge" or older? 08:56 < bleu> wants an answer 08:56 -!- mode/#linode [+o linbot] by caker 08:56 < Bdragon> say "no" 08:56 < bleu> tar 08:56 < Bdragon> tar? 08:56 < A-KO> lol 08:56 < mikegrb> lolz 08:57 < bleu> it wont' let me say yes no 08:57 < quanin> are the linode forums registration broken? 08:57 < bleu> Support MySQL connections from hosts running Debian "sarge" or older? 08:57 < Bdragon> left or right arrows and enter key... 08:58 < bleu> ok 08:58 < caker> quanin: no? 08:59 < quanin> hm. trying to register shows a htaccess style password request. and naturally, since i don't know it, it results in a 401. 08:59 < caker> quanin: read the dialog that's in the prompt 09:00 < bleu> Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) 09:00 < A-KO> bleu: make sure to type the password that you used to install 09:00 < Bdragon> bleu: OK, means you'll have to reset the password 09:00 < Bdragon> A-KO: He doesn't know what he typed 09:00 < A-KO> lol 09:00 < mikegrb> lolz 09:01 < A-KO> ouch 09:01 < bleu> lol 09:01 < mikegrb> lolz 09:01 < Bdragon> A-KO: That's why we were seeing if it was blank or not :P 09:01 < bleu> it would not let me edit it 09:01 < A-KO> it does bleu it just might not show locally that you did 09:01 < A-KO> that's all 09:01 < bleu> no it was wierd 09:01 < bleu> ok 09:01 < bleu> what to do 09:01 < quanin> ... okay. i could also be clueless. happens when i start playing first thing in the morning. 09:01 < A-KO> reset the mysql password 09:01 < bleu> how 09:02 < Bdragon> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html 09:02 < A-KO> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html#resetting-permissions-unix 09:03 < A-KO> lol 09:03 < mikegrb> lolz 09:03 * Bdragon wonders what the paths on ubuntu are..... 09:03 < Bdragon> hmm. 09:03 < A-KO> yeha dunno Bdragon :/ 09:03 -!- quanin [~james@bas13-ottawa23-1088841258.dsl.bell.ca] has left #linode [] 09:03 < A-KO> I'm debating running an emerge world in gentoo 09:03 < A-KO> this ought to be fun 09:03 < A-KO> I usually don't like to due to mass config file updating 09:04 < Bdragon> bleu: Does "which mysqld_safe" print anything? 09:05 < bleu> yes 09:05 < bleu> this /usr/bin/mysqld_safe 09:06 < bleu> that passweord change looks really complicated 09:06 < bleu> i would be better off starting from scratch 09:06 < Bdragon> It's not too bad... 09:06 < bleu> looks intimidationg 09:07 < bleu> im on a mac btw 09:07 < Bdragon> does "which service" print anything? 09:09 < bleu> no 09:09 -!- BlueSage [~d0a33e0a@67.18.186.61] has joined #linode 09:09 < bleu> how to find out the pid 09:10 < A-KO> just use killall -9 mysqld 09:10 < A-KO> it should work that way 09:10 < Bdragon> A-KO: -9 is mean. 09:10 < A-KO> it works :) 09:10 < Bdragon> At least send a normal TERM first :P 09:11 < bleu> that workded 09:12 < bleu> no it didnt 09:12 < bleu> it then asked for password 09:12 < A-KO> it might ask for your root password 09:12 -!- BlueSage2 [~d0a33e0a@67.18.186.61] has joined #linode 09:12 < A-KO> your linode root password 09:13 < bleu> I think i should start from scratch 09:13 < bleu> how to do that\ 09:13 < A-KO> linode.com's dashboard 09:14 < bleu> what do i do 09:14 < A-KO> wipe the partition out 09:14 < A-KO> and rebuild it 09:14 < A-KO> using a new image 09:14 < Bdragon> power down, delete your disk images, run the distro wizard again. 09:15 < bleu> thanks 09:15 < BlueSage2> Hello. Disclaimer : I just heard of Linode, so sorry for my Ignorance. Can someone advise if I can install application on a linode , particularly an ERP application using apache, and, postgres or mySQL ? 09:15 < A-KO> yes you can BlueSage 09:16 < BlueSage2> Thanks. 09:16 < scott> BlueSage2: its your linux node, you can install whatever you want 09:16 < bleu> do you have any suggestions as to what i should set up debian? 09:17 < scott> ? 09:17 < scott> what do you want to do? 09:17 < bleu> run application for web 09:18 < scott> you want a webserver? 09:18 < scott> install apache 09:18 < bleu> yes 09:19 < bleu> these are choices 09:19 < bleu> Arch Linux 2007.08 436 MiB 09:19 < bleu> Centos 5.0 594 MiB 09:19 -!- TJF [~TJF@pat.foulston.com] has joined #linode 09:19 < bleu> Debian 4.0 168 MiB 09:19 < bleu> Debian 4.0 168 MiB 09:19 < bleu> etc 09:19 < bleu> etc 09:20 < scott> what are you most familiar with? 09:20 < bleu> none 09:20 < bleu> Debian 4.0 09:21 < bleu> i mean cpanel 09:21 < bleu> lol 09:21 < mikegrb> lolz 09:21 < A-KO> lol 09:21 < mikegrb> lolz 09:21 < A-KO> scott: he doesn't know any linux 09:21 < bleu> nope 09:21 < bleu> im a retard 09:21 < bleu> just ended up here to annoy you all 09:21 < britt> i was once a tard too. 09:21 < scott> at least he doesnt have any bad habits yet 09:22 < scott> so start with debian 09:22 < bleu> ok i went for debain 09:22 < bleu> cool 09:22 < britt> debian4 = sarge or etch 09:22 < bleu> i have plenty of bad habits lol 09:22 < mikegrb> lolz 09:22 < scott> etch 09:22 < scott> sarge is older 09:23 < scott> if you want even newer packages use ubuntu 09:23 < bleu> ok i just want to work it out for the momemnt 09:23 -!- alnr [~weechat@e4ward.com] has left #linode [WeeChat 0.2.6] 09:23 < bleu> so im rebooting and will get back to where i was 09:23 < bleu> give me 5 min 09:25 < bleu> problem 09:25 < bleu> \ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! 09:25 < bleu> The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is 09:25 < bleu> Please contact your system administrator. 09:26 < A-KO> that's fine 09:26 < A-KO> just accept i 09:26 < bleu> it wont let me log in as root 09:26 < A-KO> yeah probably not 09:26 < A-KO> not a lot of distros do 09:27 < A-KO> log in as a regular user 09:27 < A-KO> and then use su to root 09:27 < A-KO> hmm but linode should let you....lol 09:27 < mikegrb> lolz 09:27 < A-KO> bleu: you set your root password in the distro wizard, right? 09:27 < britt> first-time linux user :) I still remember my pages of commands glued to my wall 09:27 < A-KO> I only ssh as root 09:28 < A-KO> but I also use private/public key for login, too 09:28 < A-KO> and ssh port is set non-default on mine 09:28 < bleu> yes in the wizard 09:28 < bleu> ok im in as user 09:28 < A-KO> type su 09:28 < A-KO> and then enter your root password 09:28 < bleu> how to su to root 09:28 < bleu> ok 09:28 < Bdragon> http://sqlfairy.sourceforge.net/ 09:28 < A-KO> type 'su' then hit enter, type in your root password there 09:29 < Bdragon> "..." @ the logo... 09:29 < A-KO> it should let you in as root with that bleu 09:29 < A-KO> lol Bdragon 09:29 < mikegrb> lolz 09:29 < bleu> na 09:30 < bleu> it says login incorrect 09:30 < A-KO> bleu: It won't echo your password locally 09:30 < A-KO> You won't see it 09:30 < bleu> yea 09:30 < bleu> i see that 09:30 < bleu> but it still wont let me in 09:30 < bleu> as root 09:30 < bleu> i do su 09:30 < bleu> the it asks for pass 09:30 < bleu> i put it in 09:31 < bleu> Login incorrect 09:31 < A-KO> ugh I hate debian 09:31 < A-KO> your user probably isn't in the group to allow you to use it 09:32 < britt> sudo? 09:32 < bleu> whats that 09:32 < bleu> suggestions? 09:32 < bleu> sudo not work 09:32 < A-KO> yeah 09:32 < A-KO> sudo should work 09:32 < britt> whenever you want to do something as 'root', instead of switching to root 09:32 < A-KO> bleu: type the following 09:32 < britt> do 'sudo command' 09:33 < A-KO> sudo -a -G wheel 09:33 < britt> like 'sudo rm -rf /' 09:33 < britt> JK 09:33 < A-KO> username being your current username 09:33 < A-KO> without the <> 09:33 < A-KO> so for example, if your user is john 09:33 < A-KO> sudo -a -G wheel john 09:33 < A-KO> and then type in your root pass 09:34 < A-KO> honestly I generally don't run into such issues because I only really use root to manage shit.....it's bad form but w/e.....when I finally get production apps up and running I make sure to run them under their respective users, specify what they can do, etc. 09:35 < bleu> still not work 09:35 < bleu> any workarround 09:35 < bleu> furstrating 09:36 < A-KO> what does it tell you? 09:36 < A-KO> err 09:36 < bleu> im loged in as user 09:36 < A-KO> my bad 09:36 < A-KO> I forgot 09:36 < A-KO> sudo usermod -a -G wheel john 09:36 < A-KO> haha 09:36 < A-KO> it's early 09:36 < A-KO> use that 09:36 < A-KO> change john to your current username, of course 09:37 < A-KO> I haven't had breakfast yet...lol 09:37 < mikegrb> lolz 09:37 -!- KoZi [~KoZi@c-67-174-177-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [] 09:37 < bleu> still not work 09:37 < A-KO> what does it say? 09:37 < bleu> yea 09:38 < bleu> login incorrect 09:38 < bleu> sudo usermod -a -G wheel agentbleu 09:38 < bleu> li6-87 login: sudo usermod -a -G wheel agentbleu 09:38 < bleu> Login incorrect 09:38 < britt> ah ha 09:38 < A-KO> and typing in your ROOT password that you setup when you made the linode 09:38 < bleu> yea 09:38 < bleu> i am 09:38 < bleu> shall i set it up again 09:39 < britt> wait a sec, theres something wrong here 09:39 < britt> you're at a login prompt 09:39 < britt> isnt he? 09:39 < A-KO> britt: I'm trying to get him so he can su easily w/o having to deal with sudo and his password all the time 09:39 < A-KO> he's at the console prompt, logged in with a user he setup. 09:39 < scott> debian doesnt install sudo by default either 09:39 < A-KO> eww 09:39 < A-KO> what? 09:39 < britt> yikes! 09:39 < scott> use su 09:39 < britt> ok 09:39 < Bdragon> Slackware doesn't install sudo by default :P 09:40 < britt> im confused. he's at a login prompt now, typing in a command from his pasting lines 09:40 < A-KO> lol 09:40 < mikegrb> lolz 09:40 < A-KO> ookay 09:40 < scott> so login as root 09:40 < A-KO> that would explain it britt 09:40 < britt> or did _i_ wake up early 09:40 < A-KO> wow 09:40 < bleu> im loged in as user 09:40 < scott> are you sure? 09:40 < scott> do you see a $ prompt? 09:41 < bleu> ssh agentbleu@host56.fremont.linode.com 09:41 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@c-76-108-49-255.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #linode 09:41 < scott> do you see a $ prompt? 09:41 < bleu> yes 09:41 < scott> type whoami 09:41 < A-KO> I'm done 09:41 < A-KO> I'm done 09:41 < A-KO> lol 09:41 < mikegrb> lolz 09:41 < britt> britt@none:~$ 09:41 < britt> should see something like that 09:42 < bleu> ither this is all bolox or its set up to confuse people 09:42 < bleu> i want to start from scratch 09:42 < bleu> but it wont let me log in again as root 09:42 < A-KO> bleu: It's not setup to confuse you, it's a remote linux machine. If you have no idea what you're doing, then it might not be for you. As I said earlier, this is not a "webhost." It's a virtual server host. 09:42 < A-KO> bleu: at the prompt you're at, what do you see? 09:43 < bleu> li6-87 login: 09:43 < A-KO> type root 09:43 < A-KO> what do you see next? 09:43 < britt> which is _not_ a command shell 09:44 < bleu> ok can i start again from the begining 09:44 < A-KO> bleu 09:44 < A-KO> just type root 09:44 < bleu> it keeps asking for the pass 09:44 < A-KO> what do you see after that? 09:44 < A-KO> okay 09:44 < A-KO> and type in the pass you made on the distro wizard 09:44 < bleu> yea incorrect 09:44 < bleu> its not theough 09:44 < Bdragon> (note: Some distros only allow wheel members to su to root!) 09:44 < bleu> ok im going to kill myself i brb 09:44 < A-KO> Bdragon: yes 09:45 < A-KO> Bdragon: that's what I was trying to get him to do 09:45 < A-KO> lol 09:45 < mikegrb> lolz 09:45 < britt> lol 09:45 < mikegrb> lolz 09:45 < Bdragon> Log out, log back in as root. 09:45 < A-KO> using sudo usermod to make himself a member of wheel 09:45 < A-KO> he can't 09:45 < britt> esp if debian doesnt install sudo 09:45 < britt> its the cycle of death! 09:45 < Bdragon> Sudo is even MORE often configured to only allow wheel members to use sudo 09:45 < bleu> Host key verification failed. 09:45 < bleu> WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! 09:45 < A-KO> bleu: accept it 09:45 < Bdragon> Yeah, because it changed 09:45 < A-KO> that's fine 09:45 < A-KO> just hit "yes" 09:45 < bleu> how to accept it 09:46 < Bdragon> rm ~/.ssh/known_hosts 09:46 < A-KO> okay this is going to be fun 09:46 < A-KO> emerge -u world on my linode 09:46 < A-KO> 185MB in downloads 09:46 < A-KO> weee 09:46 < Bdragon> heh 09:46 < A-KO> I hate doing a full world upgrade though 09:46 < bleu> i can only log in like this 09:46 < bleu> ssh agentbleu@host56.fremont.linode.com 09:47 < A-KO> bleu: are you on a mac? 09:47 < Bdragon> That's your lish login. 09:47 < bleu> yes 09:47 < bleu> im on amac 09:47 < Bdragon> From lish, type logout to get back to a login prompt 09:48 < bleu> ok 09:48 < bleu> im at p[ronmt 09:48 < Bdragon> from THERE, log in as root 09:48 < bleu> it wont let me 09:48 < bleu> im on terminal 09:48 < caker> bleu: hello -- can I offer some help? 09:48 < bleu> ssh root@66.160.141.87 09:48 < bleu> this dont work 09:48 < Bdragon> bleu: 09:48 < A-KO> bleu: I think you should just look for a webhost, as much as I'm sure caker probably doesn't want to see us recommend $ disappear from him, you're just not cut out to use this i don't think :) 09:49 < bleu> lol 09:49 < mikegrb> lolz 09:49 < A-KO> ooh 09:49 < A-KO> caker 09:49 < A-KO> he steps on in 09:49 < A-KO> go for it :D 09:49 < Bdragon> FROM YOUR ssh agentbleu@host56.fremont.linode.com type logout 09:49 < bleu> yea i did 09:49 < Bdragon> It SHOULD give you a login prompt... 09:49 < bleu> look if you guys would only tell me what worked id be just fine 09:49 < Bdragon> from THERE you should be able to login as root.. 09:49 < bleu> lol 09:49 < mikegrb> lolz 09:49 < bleu> i cannot 09:50 < bleu> i reset it all and ever since 09:50 < bleu> it wont let me log in as root 09:50 < A-KO> bleu: so if you type ssh agentbleu@host56.fremont.linode.com what does it say? 09:50 < bleu> it lets me in 09:50 < A-KO> what do you see? 09:50 < A-KO> when it "lets you in"? 09:50 < bleu> sec 09:51 < A-KO> caker: atlanta24 is now 95 right? 09:51 < A-KO> host95? or atlanta95? 09:51 < A-KO> host95 09:51 < A-KO> guess 09:51 < A-KO> lol 09:51 < mikegrb> lolz 09:51 < bleu> ok 09:51 < bleu> i loged in 09:51 < bleu> as user 09:51 < bleu> it then asks for pass 09:52 < bleu> i put in the samepass 09:52 < bleu> it then spouts out loads of shit 09:52 < bleu> buit the gist is 09:52 < bleu> sec 09:52 < bleu> Linode Shell (lish) Console starting... 09:52 < bleu> Login incorrect 09:52 < caker> bleu: may I offer some help? 09:52 < Bdragon> ok, just hit enter again 09:52 < bleu> li6-87 login: 09:53 < Bdragon> There we go 09:53 < bleu> it wont let me poast this 09:53 < Bdragon> here is where you'd type "root" and press enter 09:53 < bleu> hey 09:53 < A-KO> bleu: the password will not be the same as your linode account password unless you set it to be that way 09:53 < bleu> that worked 09:53 < A-KO> there ya go 09:53 < bleu> now 09:53 < bleu> b dgragon 09:54 < britt> that was like a root canal 09:54 < bleu> 10 points 09:54 < bleu> lol 09:54 < mikegrb> lolz 09:54 < bleu> blimmy 09:54 < bleu> ok i need 09:54 < bleu> not sure what 09:54 < bleu> i be brave and do php again now 09:55 -!- ofasterling [~20616e8e@67.18.186.61] has joined #linode 09:57 < bleu> ok suceess i have php5 and mysql 09:57 < bleu> and i know the password lol 09:57 < mikegrb> lolz 09:57 < bleu> what next 09:57 < bleu> webmin 09:58 < A-KO> bleu: You ought to head to a bookstore and pick up a good linux book. Generally online stuff is great but a book might help you out, too. 09:58 < A-KO> I've got an old linux book somewhere from way back in the day 09:58 < britt> i need a cigarette after all of that lol 09:58 < mikegrb> lolz 09:58 < A-KO> when I was younger I got an early version of redhat with some books for christmas 09:58 < bleu> lol 09:58 < mikegrb> lolz 09:58 < britt> yeah man, look...i taught myself linux. 09:58 < bleu> ok but im all excited 09:58 < bleu> i want webmin 09:58 < bleu> is that what i wnat? 09:59 < A-KO> bleu: I dunno what webmin does 09:59 < A-KO> so I dunno what to tell ya on that one 09:59 < A-KO> I don't use it 09:59 < Bdragon> It would help with configuration 09:59 < britt> usually the first step to climbing the linux ladder is LAMP 09:59 < bleu> so what you suggest next 09:59 < A-KO> britt: for me it was dual booting/grub/partitioning 09:59 < A-KO> lol 09:59 < mikegrb> lolz 09:59 * Bdragon really doesn't want to walk bleu through editing httpd.conf by hand. :P 09:59 < A-KO> true dat Bdragon 09:59 < bleu> dont argue now 09:59 < britt> lol 09:59 < mikegrb> lolz 09:59 < scott> bleu: sure, install webmin 10:00 < A-KO> britt: grub was fun when I didn't know linux... 10:00 < Bdragon> Let's do mysql first, as that's where you had problems last time.. 10:00 < A-KO> actually it can still be a bit of a pain in the ass sometimes depending on disk configuration 10:00 < bleu> what does webmin do 10:00 < Bdragon> It's a visual control panel sort of thing 10:00 < scott> bleu: you can configure stuff with your web browser 10:00 < bleu> that soundvery good 10:00 < scott> instead of text files 10:00 < bleu> ok im easy 10:00 < scott> :D 10:01 < bleu> if its a simple ssh comand tell me and i do it 10:01 < scott> do you have a # prompt? 10:01 < bleu> i have php5 and mysql set up i think 10:01 < bleu> yes 10:01 < bleu> li6-87:~# 10:01 < scott> apt-get install webmin 10:01 < Bdragon> You got the mysql password in correctly this time? 10:01 < bleu> lol 10:01 < mikegrb> lolz 10:02 < Bdragon> That's good 10:02 < britt> A-KO: not much grub/partitioning with linode tho. i forced myself to a console linux box for two years. after that, i knew _alot_ more about linux 10:02 < bleu> ok done 10:02 < bleu> webmin is in 10:02 < scott> so try it 10:02 < bleu> oh now 10:02 < Bdragon> let's see... 10:02 < bleu> no 10:02 < bleu> ackage webmin is not available, but is referred to by another package. 10:02 < scott> http://yourlinodeip:10000/ 10:03 < Bdragon> hmm 10:03 < bleu> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or 10:03 < scott> you can search 10:03 < britt> 'apt-cache' 10:03 < scott> do a apt-cache search webmin 10:03 < bleu> Package webmin has no installation candidate 10:03 < bleu> ike this 10:03 < bleu> apt-cache search webmin 10:03 < britt> 'apt-get update' first 10:03 < scott> yes 10:03 < Bdragon> yeah, apt-get update 10:03 < Bdragon> then try again... 10:03 < bleu> ok 10:03 < scott> well... 10:04 < scott> that probably wont help 10:04 < scott> but its a good idea 10:04 < bleu> didnot work 10:04 < bleu> i look for it 10:04 < britt> yeah i have odd repository issues with mine too 10:04 < britt> fortunately, not messing with 'dialog' wont kill me today 10:04 < bleu> apt-cache search webmin 10:04 < bleu> this did nothing 10:05 < scott> bleu: yeah, i noticed that 10:05 < scott> one sec 10:05 < Bdragon> Or you can always just install it by hand... It's got a pretty easy to use installer.... 10:05 < Bdragon> or wait for scott :P 10:05 < scott> Bdragon: you can talk him through that then :) 10:05 < Bdragon> hmm, webmin provides a debian package.. 10:05 < bleu> have you seen how patient i am ... 10:05 < Bdragon> I assume an entry to the sources list is in order here? 10:06 < scott> no 10:06 < bleu> ? 10:06 < scott> they took webmin out of etch :( 10:06 < scott> i wonder why 10:06 < Bdragon> http://webmin.com/deb.html 10:07 < britt> didnt webmin have security issues? 10:07 < britt> like in sarge or woody days? 10:07 -!- scorche|w [~42c007b2@ice.cream.org] has joined #linode 10:07 < scott> probably 10:07 < scott> sarge had it 10:07 < bleu> suggestions 10:08 < bleu> this says download it 10:08 < bleu> dpkg --install webmin_1.390_all.deb 10:08 < Bdragon> "If you are installing on Ubuntu and the apt-get command reports that some of the packages cannot be found, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and make sure the lines ending with universe are not commented out." 10:08 < Bdragon> heh 10:08 < britt> ah 10:08 < Bdragon> Hmm 10:08 < Bdragon> what version was sarge again? 10:09 < scott> 3.1 10:09 < Bdragon> Ahh 10:09 < Bdragon> It's got a sources line in the doc I linked.. 10:09 < bleu> im on debian 4 10:09 < scott> bleu: first: apt-get install wget 10:09 < bleu> ok so walk me through it 10:09 < Bdragon> scott: Manual or sources line? Which is the lesser evil here? 10:09 < bleu> done 10:10 * Bdragon is a grubby slackware user ;) 10:10 < scott> oh, wait, there is a repository 10:10 < Bdragon> Yeah 10:10 < Bdragon> as I said 10:10 < bleu> wget is already the newest version. 10:11 < bleu> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 25 not upgraded. 10:11 < scott> bleu: follow the apt repository instructions 10:11 < Bdragon> bleu: no problem, just means it was already installed 10:11 < britt> okay guys, work to do . later! 10:11 -!- britt [~britt@74-130-205-67.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:11 < bleu> thats britt 10:11 < Bdragon> bleu: nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list 10:11 < scott> is nano installed? 10:12 < Bdragon> Heh 10:12 < bleu> ok 10:12 < bleu> sokmething has happeneed 10:12 < Toba__> NO! 10:12 < Bdragon> Isn't nano installed more often than *VI* on debian installs? ;) 10:12 < Bdragon> Did it open up an editor thingie? 10:12 < scott> i have no idea 10:12 < scott> i only use vi 10:12 < Bdragon> Do you have a couple lines on the bottom that have help commands? 10:12 < bleu> yes 10:12 < SpaceHobo> 11 echo "The bikeshed is vim." 10:12 < SpaceHobo> 12 update-alternatives --set editor /usr/bin/vim.basic 10:12 < Bdragon> OK, it's the editor 10:12 < bleu> yes 10:12 < bleu> nana 10:13 < bleu> nano 10:13 < SpaceHobo> ^-- from my preseed late-command script for installing debian/ubuntu systems 10:13 < opello> the bikeshed is vim? heh 10:13 < bleu> yes 10:13 < Bdragon> it's called "nano", and it's a simple text editor.l 10:13 < bleu> simple ha 10:13 < SpaceHobo> opello: all the other things in that script are actually integration into network architecture :) 10:13 < A-KO> yeah nano is quit simple IMO 10:13 < SpaceHobo> opello: that's the only line that is just "GODDAMMIT I LIKE IT THIS WAY" 10:13 < A-KO> it's what I use 10:13 < opello> heh 10:13 < A-KO> I use nano like notepad on windows 10:13 < Bdragon> It's the notepad.exe of linux 10:13 < SpaceHobo> opello: hence the bikeshed painting line 10:13 < Toba__> yes 10:13 < Bdragon> heh 10:13 < opello> SpaceHobo: fair enough :) 10:13 < bleu> ok so what next 10:13 < Toba__> at this point in time, which editor we are using is a bikeshed 10:13 < Toba__> beyond the point, not important, etc. 10:13 < Bdragon> OK, arrow down to the end of the file 10:14 < Bdragon> and add the line "deb http://download.webmin.com/download/repository sarge contrib" (no quotes) 10:14 < Bdragon> like it says in the docs at http://webmin.com/deb.html 10:14 < bleu> i cannt get prompt 10:14 < bleu> ^X Exit ^J Justify ^W Where Is ^V Next Page ^U UnCut Text^T To Spell 10:14 < Bdragon> hmm 10:14 < Bdragon> bleu: Just use your arrow keys 10:15 < Bdragon> you're inside a visual editor 10:15 < Bdragon> It's a text editor 10:15 < Bdragon> just arrow down 10:15 < bleu> im using terminal on mac 10:15 < Bdragon> Yeah 10:15 < bleu> it not work right 10:15 < bleu> the arrow keys npt work 10:15 < Bdragon> but it's a text editor INSIDE the terminal 10:15 < Bdragon> oh? 10:15 < Bdragon> It just does weird stuff? 10:15 < opello> heh 10:15 < bleu> yea its fucked 10:15 < Bdragon> Bleh 10:15 < Bdragon> CTRL-L 10:16 < Bdragon> CURSE YOU TERMCAP! *shakes fist* 10:16 < Toba__> press ctrl+u 10:16 < Toba__> that should bring you to the bottom 10:16 < Toba__> ...I think 10:16 < Bdragon> Dare I say it, vi might be easier ;) 10:16 < Toba__> nevermind. 10:16 < opello> ctrl-u is paste 10:16 < Toba__> yeah just install vim you fool 10:16 < Bdragon> heh 10:16 < Bdragon> Ctrl-X 10:16 < Bdragon> let's try another editor 10:16 < opello> let's construct a single line with sed to fix it :) 10:17 < scott> heh 10:17 < Bdragon> heh 10:17 < Toba__> better yet 10:17 < Toba__> cat >> file 10:17 < Bdragon> echo and >> 10:17 < Toba__> and type it in 10:17 < Bdragon> JINX 10:17 < bleu> ok 10:17 < opello> nice 10:17 < Bdragon> yeah 10:17 < Toba__> Bdragon: mine requires one less keystroke 10:17 < Bdragon> bleu: OK, did Ctrl-X get you out? 10:17 < Bdragon> Shell golf. Nice. 10:17 < opello> lol 10:17 < mikegrb> lolz 10:17 < Bdragon> Wanna play APL golf with me sometime? :P 10:17 -!- ofasterling [~20616e8e@67.18.186.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:17 < Toba__> if I knew what apl golf was 10:17 < Toba__> maybe 10:18 < Bdragon> APL golf is the ultimate golf ;) 10:18 < Bdragon> bleu: Did you manage to escape nano? 10:18 < opello> yuck to your APL :p 10:18 < bleu> no 10:18 < Bdragon> Type n and press enter? 10:18 < Toba__> ...oh. 10:18 < Toba__> apl. for the no. 10:18 < Bdragon> Heh 10:19 < bleu> wont work 10:19 < Bdragon> bleu: Ctrl-Z? 10:19 < bleu> cancel is ^c 10:19 < bleu> but that not work 10:19 < Bdragon> wait 10:19 < opello> Bdragon: if i wanted to write a proof, i'd use TeX :) 10:19 < Bdragon> HAHAHA 10:19 < scott> just close the terminal and connect again :) 10:19 * Bdragon actually prefers J 10:20 < Bdragon> (it being ascii is SLIGHTLY less prone to scaring people off just from looking at all the weird characters ;) 10:20 < bleu> ok 10:20 < Toba__> heh 10:20 < opello> :) 10:20 < Toba__> I sort of like to be able to type my code on a normal computer 10:20 < Bdragon> bleu: Sorry, I forgot that Terminal has a problematic termcap definition... 10:20 < opello> xterm-color? 10:21 < opello> iirc 10:21 -!- Hobbsee [~hobbsee@124.188.230.36] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:21 < bleu> yea 10:21 < bleu> now when i log bacck in it takes me back to nano 10:21 < opello> nano 10:22 < Bdragon> Heh 10:22 < opello> oops 10:22 < Bdragon> hmm 10:22 < Bdragon> oh shit 10:22 < bleu> shall i log out 10:22 < Bdragon> you're still in lish 10:22 < Bdragon> no wonder 10:22 < bleu> yea 10:22 < Bdragon> Ctrl-A Ctrl-X 10:22 < bleu> that cleared it asked for passs then back to nano 10:22 < SpaceHobo> bleu: ^A^X locks the screen 10:23 < Bdragon> meh 10:23 * Bdragon thinks for a moment 10:23 < Bdragon> OK, how to get a Ctrl-X through nano? 10:23 < Bdragon> err 10:23 < bleu> an i just not log out 10:23 < Bdragon> through screen to nano 10:23 < Bdragon> bleu: Sorry, I forgot you are inside a screen session (lish) 10:23 < Bdragon> Things act different in that situation 10:23 < Bdragon> Thinking.... 10:23 < bleu> ok 10:24 < opello> screen shouldn't take your ctrl-x unless you precede it with ctrl-a 10:24 < Bdragon> hmm 10:24 < Bdragon> Ctrl-X SHOULD mean quit in nano... 10:24 < bleu> no 10:24 < bleu> iuit does 10:24 < bleu> then it asks for pass 10:24 < bleu> then it goes back to nano 10:25 < Bdragon> nah, that's still screen talking 10:25 * Bdragon fires up screen and fires up nano in screen 10:25 < opello> bleu: try hitting escape a couple times, then ctrl-x 10:25 * scott goes back to sleep 10:26 < bleu> na 10:26 < bleu> nothing 10:26 < bleu> ^C Cancel 10:26 < bleu> how to do this 10:26 < Bdragon> Type N 10:26 < Bdragon> ^C == ctrl-c 10:26 < bleu> Save file under DIFFERENT NAME ? 10:26 < Bdragon> there we go 10:26 < Bdragon> N 10:27 < bleu> File Name to Write: /etc/apt/sources.listesooonm-mcan i not just log out^N 10:27 < Bdragon> ctrl-c 10:27 < Bdragon> You can't log out because you're in nano 10:27 -!- h00s_ [~h00s@78-3-222-80.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #linode 10:27 < bleu> [ Cancelled ] 10:27 < Bdragon> Yay! 10:27 < Bdragon> Ctrl-X 10:28 < bleu> hey 10:28 -!- h00s_ [~h00s@78-3-222-80.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:28 < bleu> back 10:28 < Bdragon> Got a prompt? 10:28 < bleu> yes 10:28 < Bdragon> phew 10:28 < bleu> lol 10:28 < mikegrb> lolz 10:28 < bleu> just testing you all 10:28 < Bdragon> Yeah, let's use the cat method. :P 10:28 < opello> haha 10:29 < Bdragon> cat >> /etc/apt/sources.list 10:29 < Bdragon> deb http://download.webmin.com/download/repository sarge contrib 10:29 < Bdragon> ctrl-D 10:30 < bleu> done that 10:30 < bleu> nothing happened 10:30 < Bdragon> Get a prompt back after hitting ctrl-D 10:30 < Bdragon> ? 10:30 < bleu> yes 10:30 < Bdragon> OK, good 10:30 < Bdragon> tail /etc/apt/sources.list 10:31 < Bdragon> It should show the line you added at the end 10:31 < bleu> deb http://download.webmin.com/download/repository sarge contrib 10:31 < Bdragon> ok, good 10:31 < Bdragon> apt-get update 10:31 < Bdragon> apt-get install wget 10:31 < Bdragon> err 10:31 < Bdragon> apt-get install webmin 10:31 < Bdragon> heh 10:32 < bleu> pdate done 10:32 < bleu> wget now? 10:32 < Bdragon> sorry 10:32 < Bdragon> I mean webmin 10:32 < bleu> ok 10:32 -!- h00s_ [~h00s@78-3-222-80.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #linode 10:32 < Bdragon> Both start with w, I misspoke :P 10:33 < bleu> doing something 10:33 < bleu> Webmin install complete. You can now login to https://li6-87:10000/ 10:33 < Bdragon> cool 10:34 -!- h00s [~h00s@78-0-120-185.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:34 < Bdragon> http://66.160.141.87:10000/ 10:34 < bleu> nothning at that url 10:34 < Bdragon> err https://66.160.141.87:10000/ 10:34 < Bdragon> Yeah, it got your hostname wrong in the example 10:34 < bleu> Error - Bad Request 10:35 < bleu> Login failed. Please try again. 10:35 < bleu> https://66.160.141.87:10000/session_login.cgi 10:36 < Bdragon> Did it give you a prompt at least? 10:36 < Bdragon> that's a good sign... 10:36 < bleu> yes 10:36 < Bdragon> hmm.. 10:36 < Bdragon> "Some Debian-based distributions (Ubuntu in particular) don't allow logins by the root user by default. However, the user created at system installation time can use sudo to switch to root. Webmin will allow any user who has this sudo capability to login with full root privileges." 10:37 < Bdragon> let's see... 10:37 < bleu> i can feel were close 10:38 < bleu> as root with your root password, or as any user who can use sudo] 10:38 < bleu> You can now login to https://li6-87:10000/ 10:38 < bleu> as root with your root password, or as any user who can use sudo 10:38 < bleu> to run commands as root. 10:38 < Bdragon> heh 10:39 < Bdragon> hmm.... 10:40 < bleu> Error - Access denied for 82.251.177.55. The host has been blocked because of too many authentication failures. 10:40 < bleu> oops 10:40 < Bdragon> Heh 10:40 < bleu> i can see you guys have good fun all day ha 10:40 < Bdragon> heh 10:40 < bleu> lol 10:40 < mikegrb> lolz 10:41 < bleu> i go and get some wood for the fire brb 10:48 < bleu> ok im back 10:48 < bleu> any ideas on how to log in 10:48 < bleu> would it matter if my root passs and my user pass are the same 10:48 < Bdragon> Hi 10:48 -!- iggy [~iggy@216.63.86.18] has joined #linode 10:48 < anderiv> bleu: nope 10:49 < anderiv> bleu: not a particularly good idea security-wise, though. 10:49 < bleu> yea but at the mometn i just need to work it out 10:49 * Bdragon thinks about "Some Debian-based distributions (Ubuntu in particular) don't allow logins by the root user by default. However, the user created at system installation time can use sudo to switch to root. Webmin will allow any user who has this sudo capability to login with full root privileges." 10:49 < bleu> this my first time if you havent noticed :) 10:50 < Bdragon> Since there wasn't a system installation time I don't think you have a "non root but wheel capable" user at the moment... 10:50 < bleu> thanks guys for your help 10:50 < bleu> ? 10:50 < Bdragon> I mean, linode uses premade images 10:51 < Bdragon> So we need to either A) allow root to login, or B) add a user account with sudo capabilities 10:51 < bleu> lets go for b 10:51 < Bdragon> first of all, apt-get install sudo 10:51 < Bdragon> make sure you have sudo available.. 10:52 < bleu> one 10:52 < bleu> done 10:52 < bleu> No /etc/sudoers found... creating one for you.\ 10:52 < Bdragon> that's fine 10:54 < Bdragon> What do you want to call your user? 10:54 < bleu> bleu 10:55 < Bdragon> I'm seeing "adduser bleu admin" in one place... Try that... 10:55 < bleu> The user `bleu' does not exist. 10:56 < bleu> i try this 10:56 < bleu> adduser agentbleu admin 10:56 < Bdragon> hmm 10:56 < bleu> The user `agentbleu' does not exist. 10:56 < Bdragon> ok, guess you have to add the user first and then do that.. 10:57 < Bdragon> (adduser isn't a standardized command) 10:57 < Bdragon> ok, I guess it's pretty standard useradd then... 10:57 < opello> useradd -m bleu -g admin? 10:57 < Bdragon> useradd -d /home/bleu -m bleu 10:58 < bleu> i try both 10:58 < Bdragon> opello: We're going for -G here.. I don't want to set the primary group 10:58 < opello> ah 10:58 < Bdragon> bleu: Just do the first one 10:59 < Bdragon> It should have you set up a password 10:59 < bleu> useradd -d /home/bleu -m bleu 10:59 < bleu> this did nothing 10:59 < Bdragon> nothing, or just got you back to a prompt? 10:59 < bleu> yes 10:59 < bleu> back to promtp 10:59 < Bdragon> passwd bleu 11:00 < bleu> does not ask for it 11:00 < Bdragon> ok, that's fine 11:00 < bleu> Enter new UNIX password 11:00 < Bdragon> It won't echo what you type here 11:00 < Bdragon> nor will it give you asterisks 11:00 < bleu> ok 11:01 < bleu> passwd: password updated successfully 11:01 < Bdragon> h 11:02 < bleu> https://66.160.141.87:10000/session_login.cgi 11:02 < bleu> so i triied this 11:02 < bleu> with user bleu 11:02 < bleu> and pass 11:02 < bleu> not work 11:02 < opello> usermod -G admin bleu 11:02 < Bdragon> yikes 11:02 < opello> ? 11:02 < Bdragon> my kbd ,;msalfunctionninbgf 11:03 < bleu> ? 11:03 < opello> apparently his keyboard is malfunctioning 11:03 < Bdragon> (wet keyboard) 11:03 < bleu> oh 11:03 < bleu> no tea by the kbd 11:04 < Bdragon> More like, "no laptop in the tub" 11:04 < bleu> bugger 11:04 < bleu> lol 11:04 < mikegrb> lolz 11:04 < bleu> sounds bad 11:04 < Bdragon> Nah 11:05 < bleu> usermod -G admin bleu whats this 11:05 < Bdragon> at least it's not totally freaking out this time.. 11:05 < bleu> lol 11:05 < mikegrb> lolz 11:05 < Bdragon> mkeanb s \add accounbt \to \admkinb group 11:05 < Bdragon> *sigh* 11:06 < bleu> got a hair drier 11:07 < caker> manamana 11:07 < Bdragon> heh 11:10 < bleu> this did nothing 11:10 < bleu> usermod -G admin bleu 11:10 < bleu> usermod: unknown group admin 11:10 < opello> oh, it's adm, i believe 11:10 < bleu> ? 11:10 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:10 < opello> usermod -G adm bleu 11:11 < bleu> ok 11:11 < bleu> prompt came bacj 11:11 < opello> try to log in to your webmin i suppose 11:11 < bleu> Login failed. Please try again. 11:12 -!- Bdragon [~bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has joined #linode 11:12 < bleu> bugger 11:12 < bleu> ah 11:12 < bleu> the draggon is back 11:12 < Bdragon> (on another machine) 11:12 < opello> Bdragon: added user to 'adm' group, still can't log in? i don't know anything about webmin :p 11:12 < bleu> so i did this 11:12 < Bdragon> I'm on a hard deadline here 11:12 < Bdragon> The group is admin, not adm 11:12 < opello> admin didn't exist 11:13 < Bdragon> I need to get back to work like now.. :( 11:13 < Karnaugh> hmmm 11:13 < opello> likewise, heh 11:13 < Karnaugh> HE packet loss 11:13 < opello> good luck :) 11:13 < bleu> hey thanks you guys 11:13 < bleu> you have got me quite far 11:14 < bleu> can i cath you tomorrow for some more 11:14 < Karnaugh> now the node has dropped 11:14 < caker> Karnaugh: no loss from here -- traceroute? 11:15 < bleu> so is there anythink i can do without webmin 11:15 < bleu> now i have php and mysql se up 11:15 < bleu> can oi set up ftp 11:16 < Karnaugh> caker: pm 11:16 < Karnaugh> seems to have come back a bit 11:16 < Karnaugh> looks like it might be on our side of the fence though 11:17 < caker> yeah 11:17 < Karnaugh> my bad 11:17 -!- Battousai [~bryan@maduin.southcape.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:17 -!- Battousai [~bryan@maduin.southcape.org] has joined #linode 11:20 -!- Bdragon [~bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)] 11:20 < caker> bah .. syslogd with -r (allow messages from remote loggers) binds to all interfaces 11:24 < caker> very lame 11:25 < caker> suggestions for a syslog replacement? 11:25 < mwalling_> i thought someone on the wiki had mentioned syslogd-ng? 11:25 < mwalling_> (don't even remember if thats the right name) 11:26 < caker> syslog-ng - Next generation logging daemon 11:26 * caker investigates 11:28 * mwalling_ looked at it, then thought: too much work, syslog WFM 11:29 < caker> pretty painless in debuntu, so far anway 11:37 < bleu> I think i found the problem with webmin login problem 11:37 < bleu> there are lots of thhreads about it here on their forum 11:37 < caker> ok, I'm impressed with syslog-ng 11:37 < bleu> http://sourceforge.net/search/?forum_id=600155&type_of_search=forums&group_id=17457&words=Login+failed. 11:38 < bleu> i could still do with some help 11:38 < bleu> seems its a bug 11:41 < bleu> http://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=4702032 11:41 < bleu> this thread gives the answer 11:41 < bleu> but i have not much clue what it actually means 11:44 -!- IgorSobreira [~igor@189.71.2.231] has joined #linode 11:45 < mwalling_> caker: can normal syslog talk to -ng, or do they all have to be running -ng? 11:46 < caker> syslog-ng's configuration is very impressive 11:46 < caker> mwalling_: they can all talk to syslog-ng 11:46 < mwalling_> hmm 11:47 * mwalling_ now sees a use for it, and bookmarks 11:47 < caker> define sources, destinations, filters, then combine them all together in the "log" directive 11:47 < caker> good stuff 11:48 < mwalling_> the next question: will normal syslog write to both /var/log and send to the remote logger? 11:50 < caker> mwalling_: yes 11:51 < mwalling_> cool beans 11:51 < caker> mwalling_: kern.* /var/log/kern.log,@remote.syslogd.ip <-- I think 11:51 < mwalling_> makes sense 11:51 < caker> I've done it before; forget .conf syntax 11:53 -!- rick111 [~d99b309e@67.18.186.61] has joined #linode 11:53 < rick111> hey 11:54 < rick111> this has no doubt been suggested, so I wont put it on hte forums just yet.. it would be cool if you could download your virtual HD to your local PC for DR and the bandwidth comes out of your monthly use.. any plans to implement? 11:56 < anderiv> rick111: you can do this now using finnix. 11:56 < anderiv> just boot up finnix and then use dd+ssh to transfer the disk image. 11:56 < rick111> finnix eh 11:57 < anderiv> ...it'll take a while though. 11:57 -!- clara30 [~clara30@ANantes-257-1-127-113.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #linode 11:58 < rick111> awesome, cheers pal 11:58 < anderiv> rick111: ... 11:58 < anderiv> rick111: you basically can follow these instructions: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2709 11:58 < anderiv> except instead of transferring to another linode, you're transferring to a computer at your home. 11:59 -!- clara30 [~clara30@ANantes-257-1-127-113.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 11:59 < rick111> this would also work if the image you wanted to transfer was not the one attached to your profile (it was a backup)? 11:59 < rick111> i will real that link now, which may answer my qustrion 11:59 < anderiv> yes, as long as you assign that image to a device node in your finnix profile. 12:00 * Rei-chan wonders what Ubuntu uses for a syslog. I know every Gentoo install I've ever done was using syslog-ng. 12:00 < rick111> cheers man 12:00 < anderiv> rick111: np 12:00 < Rei-chan> Mainly because the Stage 3 install suggested it. 12:00 * anderiv thinks they use syslog-ng as well... 12:00 < anderiv> I'm not totally sure, though. 12:00 < anderiv> I'll check... 12:01 < mwalling_> caker: rDNS broken for webuser.linode.com? 12:02 < mikegrb> s/broken/not set/ 12:02 < mikegrb> website moved to a new machine 12:02 < caker> well, set but the new zones aren't being pulled in yet 12:02 * caker adds to to-do list 12:02 < mwalling_> aah 12:10 < rick111> that finnex thing does the job but it's not quite 'right click > save to disk' material 12:10 < rick111> will finnex continue to be the only way for the near future? 12:12 < caker> rick111: yes, as far as downloading from a webserver is concerned 12:12 < caker> ... it gets tricky -- we'd need to run an http server on all the hosts, and duplicate the device into a file beforehand, too 12:13 < rick111> ok thanks for info 12:14 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@c-76-108-49-255.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:19 < rick111> cio 12:21 < bleu> does anyone know if there is an alternative to webmin? 12:22 -!- esoterik_ [~esoterik@178.90.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:37 -!- IgorSobreira [~igor@189.71.2.231] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39 -!- hfb [~hfb@pool-71-106-219-180.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #linode 12:39 < linbot> New news from forums: Weird problem with winSCP *_* in General Discussion 12:57 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@me45f36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #linode 13:21 -!- Rifkin [~rifkin@procyondesign.net] has joined #linode 13:22 < mwalling_> hmm... think when the power goes out in your office its time to head out for lunch? 13:23 -!- schmichael [~michael@zim.lofiart.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 13:23 -!- schmichael [~michael@zim.lofiart.com] has joined #linode 13:26 < jimd> How does one access the Linode wiki? 13:26 < jimd> It asks for a password; and my Linode account password isn't working 13:26 < caker> jimd: read the password dialog box -- the user/pass is in there 13:26 < caker> stupid spambots... 13:28 < jimd> okay, wow that's obscure 13:28 < caker> heh .. but it works 13:28 < jimd> (The way it's worded seems ambiguous) 13:28 < jimd> I'd prefer a captcha system; or better yet recaptcha 13:30 < mwalling_> jimd: IME, the "enter ireally/hatespam for user/pass" style of captcha work really well 13:30 < jimd> (capture human character recognition for authentication + distributed volunteer OCR work: http://recaptcha.net/ ) 13:31 < jimd> Well, that's not a captcha, and I suspect it will only work until some spammer writes the module that scrapes and parrots. 13:31 < linbot> New news from forums: Logging Apache Request with MySQL Query/SQL Injection Attack in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum 13:32 < jimd> A proper captcha system relies on patterns or tasks which are easy for a normal human but difficult for programs. Spammers aren't advanced AI researchers (yet) :) 13:34 < mwalling_> yes, but that would require effort... spammers are very lazy... if one vector takes effort, then they move on. 13:37 < jimd> Until a threshold of the target space is blocked ... then they expend the effort to overcome the hurdle and the cycle continues 13:37 < jimd> (For example the spammer trick for overcoming captchas is to run porn sites that act as man in the middle captcha processors 13:39 < jimd> So the captcha send to their spambot is relayed, in real-time, to their porn site; where some perv "solves" it and the result is relayed back through to the original challenger. 13:39 < CDMoyer> at a recent mail security conference, aol, I think, presented on how spammers actually outsource captcha recognition to humans. 13:40 < CDMoyer> the bot gets a captcha, transfers it to the server, whcih farms it out to desktop apps, where humans are paid cents per captcha to read and send them back, and the bot waits on the answer and submits the form. 13:40 < jimd> CDMoyer: is that essentially it? How I described? 13:40 < CDMoyer> i was responding to the "require effort, missed yours." 13:40 < CDMoyer> er, "requires effort" and "spammers lazy" bit. ;) 13:40 < CDMoyer> spammers are ont he cutting edge. 13:41 < CDMoyer> but, yeah, just like the porn sites, but pay-per-click "work at home" gigs. 13:41 -!- andrew_j_w [~andrew@88-97-29-168.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #linode 13:41 < CDMoyer> I just... can't understand how spammers can make money... that enough people repsond. 13:42 < caker> how dumb do you have to be to apply for a mortgage via some email you got randomly??? 13:42 < CDMoyer> but, I guess most of the world is not "internet savvy" 13:43 < CDMoyer> hey caker, any idea what happened to make fremot34 reboot last night? 13:43 < caker> CDMoyer: no, we had logging turned off for that port for the console server (hence my syslog stuff today -- everything is logged now) 13:45 < bleu> help 13:46 < bleu> i am trying to install webmin again on a fresh install of My Ubuntu 6.06 Profile 13:46 < bleu> I have this error 13:46 < bleu> The following packages have unmet dependencies: 13:46 < bleu> webmin: Depends: libauthen-pam-perl but it is not installable 13:46 < bleu> Depends: libmd5-perl but it is not installable 13:46 < bleu> thats it 13:46 < bleu> is there a way to install these 13:47 < caker> apt-get update; apt-get install libauthen-pam-perl libmd5-perl ? 13:47 < caker> why not just install webmin from ubuntu's repos? 13:47 < CDMoyer> it might be in universe or some non-default repo 13:47 < caker> yeah 13:47 < bleu> how do you do that 13:47 < mwalling_> apt-get install webmin? 13:47 < caker> edit /etc/apt/sources.list, uncomment out the universe lines 13:47 < caker> apt-get update; apt-get install webmin 13:47 < caker> ^-- done 13:47 < mwalling_> oh wait... i dont think its in the repos, you have to get the deb from the site 13:48 < bleu> es 13:48 < bleu> yes 13:48 < bleu> i have succes with this 13:48 < bleu> sec 13:48 < bleu> cat >> /etc/apt/sources.list 13:48 < bleu> deb http://download.webmin.com/download/repository sarge contrib 13:48 < bleu> ctrl-D 13:48 < CDMoyer> libmd5-perl is in universe 13:48 < bleu> apt-get update 13:48 < mwalling_> um... sarge? 13:49 < mwalling_> i thought you were running drapper 13:49 < bleu> apt-get install webmin 13:49 < bleu> that works 13:49 < bleu> to a point 13:49 < bleu> then with the above errors 13:49 < CDMoyer> yeah, webmin was pulled out of the debian repo in recent releases. 13:49 < bleu> that did work on the debien set up 13:49 < CDMoyer> some hub-bub over bugs and security issues. 13:50 < bleu> but now im stuck on this 13:50 < mwalling_> debian != ubuntu 13:50 < bleu> Depends: libmd5-perl but it is not installable 13:50 < bleu> yes 13:50 < bleu> Im now on ubuntu 13:50 < bleu> as a test 13:50 < bleu> 6.06 13:50 < mwalling_> do you have a howto that told you to add a debian repo to your ubuntu sources.list? 13:51 < bleu> no 13:51 < mwalling_> ... 13:51 < mwalling_> you see where i'm going? 13:51 < bleu> i have no howtoos 13:51 < CDMoyer> in ubuntu, there is already a line in /etc/sources.list that has universe, you jus tneed to uncomment it. 13:51 < A-KO> ugh 13:51 < caker> uncomment the universe line in /etc/apt/sources.list 13:51 < bleu> im a nob 13:51 < caker> apt-get update 13:51 < bleu> this my first day using terminal 13:51 < A-KO> emerge -u world........."55 config files need updating" 13:52 < caker> apt-get install webmin 13:52 < CDMoyer> http://www.inarow.net/entries/linux/sun_jdk_on_ubuntu.html <-- that, but replace sun-java6-jdk at the end with the modules you want 13:52 < caker> bleu: ^-- do those three things 13:52 < CDMoyer> and you can leave off multiverse, probably. 13:52 < bleu> ok 13:53 -!- IgorSobreira [~igor@189.71.2.231] has joined #linode 13:53 < bleu> I dont know how to do this 13:53 < bleu> uncomment the universe line in /etc/apt/sources.list 13:54 < caker> cat >> /etc/apt/sources.list 13:54 < caker> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe 13:54 < caker> control-d 13:54 < caker> er wait 13:55 < caker> don't do that yet 13:55 < bleu> lol 13:55 < mikegrb> lolz 13:55 < caker> wrong debian version 13:55 < caker> s/debian// 13:55 * mwalling_ <3's slackware :) 13:55 < caker> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe <-- correct line 13:55 < CDMoyer> i think he's on gutsy, but using dapper for webmin... 13:56 < mwalling_> no, he said he installed drapper 13:56 < CDMoyer> oh. gotcha, missed that. 13:56 < bleu> i installed My Ubuntu 6.06 Profile 13:57 < bleu> then i did the updtaes 13:57 -!- IgorSobreira [~igor@189.71.2.231] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:57 < bleu> then php and mysql 13:57 < bleu> then went for webmin 13:57 < mwalling_> bleu: why do you /need/ webmin? 13:57 < bleu> cause im a retard 13:57 < bleu> i never used this type of system 13:57 * mwalling_ points out that webmin wont teach you anything but how to use webmin 13:57 < caker> lol 13:57 < mikegrb> lolz 13:57 < caker> zzz 13:57 < bleu> too comfortable in cpanel 13:58 * mwalling_ wonders if there is something like the slackbook (slackbook.org) for ubuntu/debian 13:58 < bleu> all i want to do is set up a web application 13:58 * mwalling_ thinks if such a thing exists, bleu should read it 13:59 -!- IgorSobreira [~igor@189.71.2.231] has joined #linode 14:01 < Rei-chan> bleu, you are now reponsible for the security of your server, not the upstream who gave you cpanel. 14:01 < bleu> so you dont know how to get this installed? 14:01 < bleu> Depends: libmd5-perl but it is not installable 14:01 < Rei-chan> I suggest learning ubuntu. 14:01 * mwalling_ reseconds that 14:01 < bleu> which version? 14:02 < bleu> ubuntu 14:02 < Rei-chan> Otherwise, I suggest you pay someone to manage your linode. 14:02 < mwalling_> but not me, since i would install slackware on it 14:02 * Rei-chan refrains from mentioning that we're a Canonical partner over here? :) 14:02 < bleu> if there was some decent documentationf ro noobs then it would help a lot 14:02 < bleu> im sure im not the first to come along 14:02 < Rei-chan> There is. You have not looked. 14:03 < bleu> i have looked 14:03 < mwalling_> ... ubuntu is one of the most "newb" friendly distros out there 14:03 < Rei-chan> Where? 14:03 < bleu> the wwiki is a joke 14:03 < Rei-chan> Really, now? Do you have any experience administering a Linux-based server? 14:03 < mwalling_> Rei-chan: he's said on the forum that he's never used linux before 14:03 < bleu> http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/How_to_setup_your_Linode 14:04 < bleu> nothing here 14:04 < mwalling_> bleu: the linode wiki is not the only wiki out there 14:04 < Rei-chan> You have not looked. 14:04 < bleu> ive looked here naturally 14:04 < bleu> look im not having a go but its not vbery obvious 14:04 < bleu> \and yes i admit im a nob 14:04 < Rei-chan> If you're referring to a hosting provider's wiki for help on a Linux distribution, then you may need to consider that you are not qualified to manage your own server. 14:04 < Rei-chan> www.ubuntu.org 14:05 < Rei-chan> Documentation, IRC support, and Forums are available for the Ubuntu distro. 14:05 < Rei-chan> This is a large step up from buying shared hosting that uses cPanel. 14:05 < Rei-chan> If someone hacks your site, it will be no one's fault but yours. 14:05 < Rei-chan> There are no backups made, unless you make them. 14:05 < bleu> ok 14:06 < Rei-chan> No applications installed unless you install them, then configure them, then harden them. 14:06 < bleu> first i want to get to the point of actually seting up a domina 14:06 < Rei-chan> Do you have a domain name? 14:06 < bleu> yea 14:06 < bleu> oads 14:06 * Rei-chan starts the clock. 14:06 < bleu> loads 14:06 < Rei-chan> You wish to host them on your linode? 14:06 < bleu> not yet 14:07 < bleu> i want to learn 14:07 < bleu> how to do it 14:07 < bleu> im busting my ram on my vps 14:07 < bleu> currentl host 14:07 < Rei-chan> 1&1 Internet? :) 14:07 < bleu> clook 14:07 < bleu> 1&1 are a bit cheap 14:07 < Rei-chan> Either way, cPanel and Plesk take a large amount of resources to run. 14:07 < bleu> yes 14:08 < bleu> i noticed 14:08 < Rei-chan> And most sysadmins won't touch Plesk or cPanel boxes. 14:08 < Rei-chan> Because cPanel and Plesk get their hands into everything. 14:08 < bleu> right 14:08 < bleu> half our resources were going on cpanel 14:08 < Rei-chan> So, do you want to set things up the easy way, or the cheap on resources way? 14:08 < bleu> cheap 14:08 < Rei-chan> I take it that you're a company? 14:08 < bleu> i dont care about webmin 14:09 < bleu> individal 14:09 < Rei-chan> Ah. 14:09 < bleu> i just want to find a home for my app 14:09 < bleu> my app is here 14:09 < bleu> myplaylist.biz 14:09 < Rei-chan> What app is it? 14:09 < bleu> its getting too big 14:09 -!- BlueSage [~d0a33e0a@67.18.186.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:09 < bleu> webapp 14:09 < bleu> music playlist widget 14:09 < Rei-chan> Wow this takes forever to load. :| 14:10 < Rei-chan> What's this written in? 14:10 < bleu> should be fast 14:10 < bleu> sec 14:10 < Rei-chan> Its not. 14:10 < bleu> php 14:10 < bleu> http://www.myplaylist.biz/ 14:10 < bleu> its fast here 14:10 < bleu> im in france 14:10 < bleu> hosted in uk 14:11 < bleu> php as2 14:11 < Rei-chan> Alright. 14:11 < Rei-chan> My first suggestion would be to hire a sysadmin to manage your server(s). :) 14:11 < Rei-chan> But, we'll forgo that. 14:11 < Rei-chan> First thing you need to do is read the Ubuntu Server Guide. 14:11 < bleu> i canot pay one 14:11 < Rei-chan> A moment, I will find a URL. 14:12 < bleu> is this a book 14:12 < Rei-chan> Its an online document. 14:12 < Rei-chan> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/ 14:12 < Rei-chan> What have you done with your Linode, and what version is it? 14:12 < bleu> i got it yesterday 14:12 < bleu> 540 14:12 < bleu> ram 14:12 < Rei-chan> i.e. I installed Ubuntu 7.10 and haven't ran any apt-get commands yet. 14:13 < bleu> Ubuntu 7.10 and haven't ran any apt-get commands yet. 14:13 < bleu> i did just that 14:13 < bleu> that did not work for webmin 14:13 < bleu> so i installed 606 14:13 < bleu> that did not work 14:13 < bleu> debian 4 worked for installing webmin but there was a bug and i could not login 14:13 < Rei-chan> So, you have a base install of Ubuntu 7.10 server, and have tried to install 2 packages and failed? 14:14 < bleu> ^.06 yes 14:14 < bleu> then i updated it? 14:14 < Rei-chan> Do you have anything on there you need? 14:14 < bleu> then installed php5 14:14 < bleu> nothing 14:14 * Rei-chan would suggest nuking the partition and starting from scratch. 14:14 * mwalling_ suggests a hose and restart 14:14 < bleu> sure 14:14 < bleu> np 14:14 < Rei-chan> Yeah. 14:14 < bleu> ok 14:14 < bleu> and doing what 14:14 < Rei-chan> You're going to read and work through the server guide. 14:15 < Rei-chan> By the end of it, you will have apache2, php5, etc 14:15 < Rei-chan> After that, learn Virtual Host configrations for apache2 14:16 * Rei-chan personally uses ispconfig for BIND services on my 360, but I also host companies. 14:16 < bleu> install what first 14:16 -!- BlueSage2 [~d0a33e0a@67.18.186.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:16 < mwalling_> bleu: follow the guide 14:16 < Rei-chan> The guide is step by step. 14:17 < Rei-chan> (I'm also lazy and hate writing zones) 14:17 < bleu> ubuntu 6 / 7? 14:17 < Rei-chan> 7.10 14:17 < bleu> ok 14:17 < bleu> will it allow me to run webmin 14:17 * mwalling_ throws his hands up... 14:17 < Rei-chan> I do not run webmin, so I have no idea. 14:17 < bleu> lol 14:17 < mikegrb> lolz 14:17 < Rei-chan> If you wish to run webmin, I suggest searching out the forums. 14:18 < Rei-chan> And by forums, I mean the webmin and ubuntu forums. 14:18 < bleu> yea i did already in webmin 14:18 < bleu> a few others had similar problems 14:18 < mwalling_> bleu: you wont learn anything using webmin, and when something breaks, and webmin cant fix it, you're going to be screwed 14:18 < bleu> no solutions 14:18 < bleu> ok 14:18 < bleu> so can i do what i want without it 14:18 < linbot> New news from forums: Mixing 100mb and 1Gb ethernet in Linux Networking 14:19 < bleu> all i need is ftp 14:19 < bleu> and to work out how to set up a domain 14:19 < Rei-chan> My billing rate is 65 an hour for 9-5 server administration, with a 33% increase in rates for off-hour/emergency. 14:19 < Rei-chan> If something blows up, bleu, you would find my rates to be ... on the low end. 14:19 < Rei-chan> Keep this in mind if you rely on webmin without knowing what you're doing. 14:19 < bleu> lol 14:19 < mikegrb> lolz 14:19 < bleu> ok 14:19 < mwalling_> i'm 85/hr flat rait 14:19 < mwalling_> er 14:19 < mwalling_> rate 14:20 < bleu> lol 14:20 < mikegrb> lolz 14:20 * scott hires mikegrb for 5 minutes 14:20 < mwalling_> crap... MLK day threw off my spelling 14:20 * Rei-chan is a nice person who gives a discount for 95. :) 14:20 < Rei-chan> (Hour minimum!) 14:20 < mwalling_> aye 14:20 < Rei-chan> 9-5, even. 14:20 < bleu> ok so i read this guide 14:20 < Rei-chan> So, bleu. 14:20 < Rei-chan> All you need is: apache2, mysql (maybe), php5, ftp. 14:21 < Rei-chan> Probably mail, but courier/postfix is installed. 14:21 < bleu> and then Im going to set up a really complicated server set up and then make it super dificult for retards and offer them my own special rates :)_ 14:21 < bleu> yea 14:21 < bleu> lol 14:21 < mikegrb> lolz 14:21 < bleu> yea 14:21 < bleu> dead simple 14:22 < mwalling_> you got it or was that sarcasm? 14:22 * Rei-chan is also a lolz Canonical Solutions Partner or whatever that program is called. So I'm supposed to be SUPER COOL to work on Ubuntu servars. 14:22 < bleu> php5 mysql ftp and a bit of mail 14:22 < bleu> i get the game 14:22 < scott> no apache? 14:22 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@yttrium.canonical.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:22 < mwalling_> Rei-chan: booo 14:22 < bleu> yea i guess that might be needed 14:23 < Rei-chan> Maybe some lighthttpd? :) 14:23 < bleu> sounds good 14:23 < Rei-chan> Might unless your users will be shelling in and running the cli version of php... 14:23 < bleu> lol 14:23 < mikegrb> lolz 14:24 < linbot> New news from forums: Yet another Apache2 memory thread in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum 14:24 < bleu> sec 14:26 < bleu> ok i gpot me dinner i will be back tomorrrow for another pasting 14:26 < bleu> see ya all 14:26 < bleu> and thanks 14:26 < Rei-chan> welcome. 14:27 < zeroday> :o 14:27 < zeroday> found a blogging engine that stores username/password in cookies and db in plan text 14:28 < zeroday> and doesnt escape get variables 14:29 < Rei-chan> which one. 14:29 < zeroday> aflog.org 14:33 -!- IgorSobreira [~igor@189.71.2.231] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38 -!- skule [~svs@cpe.atm2-0-12843.0x50a66336.arcnxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #linode 14:39 -!- PyroBoi [~abcd@66.113.47.142] has joined #linode 14:39 -!- skule [~svs@cpe.atm2-0-12843.0x50a66336.arcnxx10.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:39 < PyroBoi> I was wondering what the normal time was for activation on a linode, and was also wanting to make sure i get mine on a system that will allow ports 6667-7000 14:39 -!- bleu [~52fbb137@67.18.186.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40 < zeroday> PyroBoi, only atlanta blocks 6667 14:40 < mwalling_> accounds have to be manually activated by an employee (one of the +o's) and on.. what zeroday said 14:40 < zeroday> Im not sure what other ports apart from that 14:42 -!- skule [~svs@cpe.atm2-0-12843.0x50a66336.arcnxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #linode 14:42 < PyroBoi> ok, i just wanna make sure im on any of them but atlanta lol 14:42 < mikegrb> lolz 14:42 -!- skule [~svs@cpe.atm2-0-12843.0x50a66336.arcnxx10.customer.tele.dk] has quit [] 14:42 -!- skule [~svs@cpe.atm2-0-12843.0x50a66336.arcnxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #linode 14:43 < zeroday> you get a choice when you first login if there are places available for you to choose from 14:43 < PyroBoi> cool 14:43 < PyroBoi> you guys have done some updating then 14:43 < mikegrb> PyroBoi: did you just sign up? 14:43 < PyroBoi> the site looks awseome 14:44 < PyroBoi> mikegrb: yes, i can pm you the username if you'd like 14:44 < mikegrb> yes 14:45 -!- IgorSobreira [~igor@189.71.2.231] has joined #linode 14:52 -!- dc0e [~dc0e@c-69-243-116-60.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ↻ or ↓] 15:01 -!- dc0e [~dc0e@c-69-243-116-60.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #linode 15:07 -!- scorche|w [~42c007b2@ice.cream.org] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Session timeout)] 15:08 -!- scorche|w [~42c007b2@ice.cream.org] has joined #linode 15:08 -!- paulcager_ [~paul_cage@www.paulcager.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:09 -!- paulcager [~paul_cage@www.paulcager.org] has joined #linode 15:12 < linbot> New news from forums: Negative Time Delta Error w/Gameserver in Xen Public Beta 15:13 -!- schmichael [~michael@zim.lofiart.com] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 15:18 -!- JasonF [~jay@viagra.oldos.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:18 -!- JasonF [~jay@viagra.oldos.org] has joined #linode 15:19 -!- IgorSobreira [~igor@189.71.2.231] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s187.cinergycom.net] has joined #linode 15:24 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@me45f36d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:51 -!- paulcager is now known as paulcager_ 15:52 -!- paulcager_ is now known as paulcager 15:58 -!- IgorSobreira [~igor@189.71.2.231] has joined #linode 15:59 -!- esoterik [~esoterik@178.90.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has joined #linode 15:59 -!- Deckert [~Deckert@dsl-240-141-81.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:59 -!- Deckert [~Deckert@dsl-240-141-81.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #linode 16:00 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-230-244.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08 -!- IgorSobreira [~igor@189.71.2.231] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08 -!- IgorSobreira [~igor@189.71.2.231] has joined #linode 16:09 -!- FireSlash [~FireSlash@68-29-173-10.area4.spcsdns.net] has joined #linode 16:16 -!- npmr [~inkblot@dorothy.movealong.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:16 -!- npmr [~inkblot@dorothy.movealong.org] has joined #linode 16:17 -!- IgorSobreira [~igor@189.71.2.231] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18 -!- IgorSobreira [~igor@189.71.2.231] has joined #linode 16:27 < Rei-chan> Hey, how bad's a migration? 16:27 < Rei-chan> Like, downtime == ? time? 16:28 -!- IgorSobreira [~igor@189.71.2.231] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:29 -!- clanehin [~lane@cpe-069-134-066-130.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 16:29 < anderiv> Rei-chan: depends if you're migrating within a dc or between... 16:33 < caker> ~4m per GB within the same datacenter, ~20m/GB from one dc to another 16:34 * tierra realizes how hefty that gets with a 30GB linode... 16:34 < tierra> heh 16:39 -!- Rei-chan [~speaker@c-75-64-155-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:42 -!- Antitribu [~simon@li9-122.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 16:42 < iggy> that's why you always shrink the disk images first 16:43 < anderiv> *nod 16:46 < tierra> gzip + ncat :) 16:46 < tierra> hehe 16:47 < tierra> well, dd + gzip + ncat 16:51 < esoterik> atlanta's bandwidth has been awesome lately 16:51 < esoterik> nothing like downloading at 10mb/s 16:52 < A-KO> nice of gentoo to screw with apache in this release :/ 16:52 < A-KO> meh 16:55 < Internat> doesnt gentoo by default screw with things? 16:56 -!- andrew_j_w [~andrew@88-97-29-168.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s187.cinergycom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:04 < esoterik> brokeback mountain boy got owned in his NY apartment 17:04 < Internat> so it appears 17:06 < encode> indeed 17:07 < esoterik> when does that batman movie come out hes in? 17:09 < mwalling_> huh? 17:09 < caker> http://news.google.com/news?q=Heath+Ledger+found+dead 17:10 < mwalling_> damn 17:11 < mwalling_> oh, that brokeback boy... 17:11 < mwalling_> i thought you meant the other one 17:11 -!- Rei-chan [~speaker@c-75-64-155-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #linode 17:14 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has joined #linode 17:19 -!- rick111 [~d99b309e@67.18.186.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22 -!- hfb [~hfb@pool-71-106-219-180.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:25 < esoterik> not donnie darko :) 17:40 < warewolf> darkly. 17:43 -!- encode [~encode@li12-151.members.linode.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 17:43 -!- encode [~encode@irc.macuni.com] has joined #linode 17:56 -!- Antitribu [~simon@li9-122.members.linode.com] has left #linode [] 18:03 -!- TJF [~TJF@pat.foulston.com] has quit [Quit: I quit!] 18:18 < JDLSpeedy> heh, u can't screen into a screen 18:20 -!- Rei-chan [~speaker@c-75-64-155-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [] 18:23 < wabz> what od you mean? You can have nested screens... 18:23 < PyroBoi> any @'s around 18:24 < zeroday> JDLSpeedy, yeah you can 18:24 < Pryon> Yikes. Too much time spent in #nethack on freenode and PyroBoi confused me 18:24 < PyroBoi> sorry 18:24 < JDLSpeedy> zeroday: huh 18:24 < Pryon> No, not your fault :-) 18:24 < zeroday> heh, u can't screen into a screen 18:25 < JDLSpeedy> i lish, thats 1 screen, I screen again, I ctrl+d and i get to the lish console not my box 18:26 < tierra> you can nest screens, but you have to change the command character for one or the other 18:26 < wabz> no you don't 18:26 < wabz> ctrl-a, a, d will detach the nested screen 18:27 < JDLSpeedy> ahh, thanks wabz 18:27 < tierra> ok, that I didn't know 18:27 < JDLSpeedy> that worked 18:27 < JDLSpeedy> ctrl-a, d is screen 1, ctrl-a, a, d is screen 2 18:27 < wabz> (you can precede anything with ctrl-a, a to get to the nested screen) 18:29 -!- Rei-chan [~lazy@c-75-64-155-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #linode 18:29 < esoterik> anyone have ideas for DNS failover service? 18:30 -!- christz [~christoph@193.170.134.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:30 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@c-76-108-49-255.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #linode 18:32 < tierra> esoterik: Linode's DNS manager provides primary and secondary name servers 18:35 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@host-84-9-51-162.dslgb.com] has joined #linode 18:36 -!- PyroBoi [~abcd@66.113.47.142] has quit [] 18:43 -!- FireSlash_ [~FireSlash@70-9-27-232.area4.spcsdns.net] has joined #linode 18:44 -!- FireSlash [~FireSlash@68-29-173-10.area4.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45 < esoterik> I was thinking more along the lines of when I shutdown my linode or it goes down, a 3rd party switches the a record to a backup host 18:52 -!- scorche|w [~42c007b2@ice.cream.org] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC] 19:06 -!- FireSlash_ [~FireSlash@70-9-27-232.area4.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 19:10 < A-KO> hey caker 19:10 < A-KO> is there something wrong with the dns manager? 19:10 < A-KO> it's saying there are errors 19:10 < A-KO> with NS and SOA records 19:10 < A-KO> but the dns manager adds those itself.. 19:11 < A-KO> nmm 19:11 < A-KO> nm 19:11 < A-KO> seems okay now 19:15 -!- Sputnik7 [~Sputnik7@c-71-192-5-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #linode 19:15 -!- paulcager is now known as paulcager_ 19:35 < linbot> New news from forums: Announcement: Pigs in Xen - Linode Xen Beta Test in Xen Public Beta 19:43 -!- FireSlash [~FireSlash@68-31-206-44.area4.spcsdns.net] has joined #linode 19:44 -!- esoterik [~esoterik@178.90.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:44 -!- tolecnal [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:46 -!- FireSlash_ [~FireSlash@70-9-246-140.area4.spcsdns.net] has joined #linode 19:49 -!- FireSlash__ [~FireSlash@70-9-246-140.area4.spcsdns.net] has joined #linode 19:50 -!- tolecnal [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has joined #linode 19:52 -!- FireSlash [~FireSlash@68-31-206-44.area4.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:55 -!- FireSlash_ [~FireSlash@70-9-246-140.area4.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:58 -!- rolandx [~be2a030d@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 20:00 < rolandx> hello, does anybody have experience with gentoo + lighttpd + syscp? 20:00 < rolandx> or something like that? 20:00 < rolandx> im looking for a admin panel for my customer are asking for something like plesk or cpanel 20:01 < JDLSpeedy> rolandx: my co-worker has been playing with syscp 20:01 < rolandx> JDLSpeedy: and is working fine? 20:02 < JDLSpeedy> yes 20:02 < rolandx> 'cause im thinking in get another linode 20:02 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@c-76-108-49-255.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #linode [] 20:02 < rolandx> for make a "fresh" install 20:02 < rolandx> of everything but with syscp 20:02 < rolandx> and then move my hosting customers there 20:02 < JDLSpeedy> ahh 20:03 < rolandx> mmm the thing is that actually im working with lighttpd 20:03 < JDLSpeedy> oo, he used apache 20:04 < rolandx> i could use apache but i will need to make it work with something like fastcgi 20:06 < rolandx> mmm btw, also im wondering now that when i get a linode i can select which datacenter use 20:06 < rolandx> after the issues with atlanta (where i have actually my linode) 20:06 < JDLSpeedy> when creating a new linode, u have a choice of what datacenter 20:08 < rolandx> is dallas(the planet) datacenter better than atlanta? 20:08 < rolandx> i mean in terms of availability 20:09 < JDLSpeedy> i use the planet for personal and no problem 20:10 < rolandx> 'cause i had some little issues with a customer after the last problem with atlanta 20:10 < rolandx> he has a couple of critical sites 20:10 < rolandx> news portal 20:10 < rolandx> *portals 20:11 < rolandx> but besides that.. all was running smothly 20:16 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@c-76-108-49-255.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #linode 20:16 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@c-76-108-49-255.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #linode [] 20:16 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@c-76-108-49-255.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #linode 20:22 < rolandx> i think that im going to put my new linode at dallas :D 20:23 < JDLSpeedy> i would like to create some kinda shared host 20:25 -!- Athenon [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #linode 20:37 -!- Athenon [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:39 < linbot> New news from forums: Sticky: Free MySQL Database in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum 20:50 < linbot> New news from forums: Free MySQL Database in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum 20:52 -!- Inigo_Montoya [~442629eb@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 20:53 < Inigo_Montoya> Hello. My Name Is Inigo Montoya. You Killed My Father. Prepare to Die. 20:53 -!- Inigo_Montoya [~442629eb@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53 < caker> I do not think it means what you think it means 20:53 < mwalling> someones been watching too much princess bride 20:54 < Battousai> good movie 20:54 * mwalling rolls his eyes 20:55 < tasaro> inconceivable! 20:55 * mwalling thinks hes out numbered 20:56 < Bdragon> I read the book and it took me until the questions at the end to realize the author is a lying bastard. I laughed so damn hard... 20:56 < Internat> YOU WANT THE TRUTH? YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH1 20:56 < Internat> what book? 20:57 < mwalling> book? 20:57 < mwalling> whats that? 20:57 < Bdragon> the book that possibly came out AFTER the movie :D 20:57 < mwalling> who reads books? 20:58 < Bdragon> Who looks at moving pictures? 20:59 < Bdragon> OK, apparently it was pre movie... I was SO HAD the whole time.. It was hilarious... 20:59 < Bdragon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Princess_Bride 20:59 < Bdragon> "The Princess Bride is presented as Goldman's abridgment of an older version by "S. Morgenstern", which was originally a satire of the excesses of European royalty. The book, in fact, is entirely Goldman's work. Morgenstern and the "original version" are fictional and used as a literary device." 21:00 < Bdragon> As I said, I made it through the whole thing before realizing that XD 21:14 -!- rolandx [~be2a030d@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15 -!- thoth39 [~thoth39@201.29.232.142] has joined #linode 21:17 -!- FireSlash__ [~FireSlash@70-9-246-140.area4.spcsdns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:08 -!- esoterik [~esoterik@178.90.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has joined #linode 22:09 -!- thoth39 [~thoth39@201.29.232.142] has quit [Quit: Saindo] 22:19 < linbot> New news from forums: What do you use your Linode for? in General Discussion 22:21 -!- miteMite [~mitey@ip24-255-223-200.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Watch out for the head crabs!] 22:23 < A-KO> hmm, really dumb question, but why is the vsftpd local_umask option different in structure than the standard say, "755"? 22:24 < caker> huh? 22:25 < caker> a umask of 755 would create file perms of 022 22:25 < A-KO> ahh 22:25 < Bdragon> umask is MASKED bits 22:25 < Bdragon> i.e. the ones you want forced OFF 22:25 < A-KO> ahh okay 22:27 -!- miteyMite [~mitey@ip24-255-223-200.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #linode 22:27 < A-KO> hmmm wtf 22:27 < A-KO> it's not even taking the settings 22:27 < A-KO> lol 22:27 < mikegrb> lolz 22:29 < A-KO> okay that's why 22:30 < A-KO> :D 22:30 < A-KO> I was setting it with the wrong setting that's why 22:30 < A-KO> works now 22:32 < A-KO> hmm, I don't think there's any reason for apache to have write permissions to a web directory unless a user uploads a file, right? 22:32 < A-KO> or is allowed to* 22:35 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:00 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s235.cinergycom.net] has joined #linode 23:13 -!- sethrd [~sethrd@neko.catloaf.net] has joined #linode 23:20 -!- sethrd [~sethrd@neko.catloaf.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:29 -!- deepspawn [1000@200.106.196.187] has joined #linode 23:34 -!- deepspawn [1000@200.106.196.187] has quit [Quit: Don't follow me] 23:44 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@c-76-108-49-255.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:50 < A-KO> hmph 23:55 * mwalling wonders why kernel-modules-smp-2.6.21.5_smp-i686-2 is in the slackware-12 image --- Log closed Tue Jan 22 23:59:01 2008