--- Day changed --- Log opened Tue Jan 22 23:59:02 2008 00:08 -!- pleia2 [~lyz@your.worshipfulness.princessleia.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 00:08 -!- pleia2 [~lyz@your.worshipfulness.princessleia.com] has joined #linode 00:09 < mwalling> caker: forums broke 00:09 < mwalling> mysql error - could not connect to db 00:15 -!- FireSlash [~FireSlash@70-9-246-140.area4.spcsdns.net] has joined #linode 00:20 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:21 -!- dc0e [~dc0e@c-69-243-116-60.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:22 < caker> odd 00:27 -!- dc0e [~dc0e@c-69-243-116-60.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #linode 00:30 < mwalling> is that a works for me odd or a what the hell did i break odd? 00:31 < caker> the latter 00:31 < mwalling> heh 00:31 < caker> mysql was refusing connections "too many connections" 00:31 < caker> and a boatload of mysql threads... 00:31 < mwalling> how'd you pull that off? 00:31 < caker> I was just watching TV :) 00:31 < mwalling> lol 00:31 < mikegrb> lolz 00:31 < mwalling> 23:55 * mwalling wonders why kernel-modules-smp-2.6.21.5_smp-i686-2 is in the slackware-12 image 00:31 < mwalling> ^^? 00:32 < Internat> see thats what happens when you take a break from working on the nodes to watch TV1!! no commitment to the customers geez 00:32 < mwalling> you have modules and modules-smp, but no smp kernel 00:32 < linbot> New news from forums: Postfix not sending email in Email/SMTP Related Forum 00:32 < caker> mikegrb needs to be made aware of that (I noted it) 00:32 < mwalling> k 00:33 < mwalling> mikegrb is the slackware user, or does he do all of the images? 00:33 < mwalling> s/user/maintainer/ 00:34 < caker> neither 00:34 < caker> he made the slack one, though 00:34 < mwalling> aah 00:34 < mwalling> ive seen posts by him on the forum that for somereason made me think he was the distro making dude 00:34 < caker> he's cursed it enough that I'm pretty sure he's not a regular slackware user 00:34 < mwalling> haha 00:35 < Internat> well atleast with cursing u know hes trying :P 00:35 < mwalling> Internat: that beats half the people we get in freenode/##slackware 00:35 < caker> stuff like "why the hell did it let me install $x, but not grab the required libs" 00:35 < mwalling> thats by design :) 00:35 < mwalling> tell him to throw slackpkg from extra/ in the next image 00:36 < A-KO> holy shit phpbb3 is mad slick 00:36 < A-KO> maaaan 00:38 < mwalling> qemu is a pita, did i ever mention that? 00:44 -!- Internat [~nf@dsl-58-6-125-95.qld.westnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:44 -!- Internat [~nf@dsl-58-6-125-95.qld.westnet.com.au] has joined #linode 00:44 < Internat> getting disconnected is a pita :P 01:10 < erikh> seeing pita in lowercase is a PITA 01:10 < erikh> peta is a PITA 01:10 < erikh> gyros are PITA 01:10 < Bdragon> I KNEW someone would make that pun... 01:11 * erikh grins 01:15 -!- clanehin [~lane@cpe-069-134-066-130.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:23 < fo0bar> great, now I have a craving for tzatziki 01:27 < erikh> mmmmm 01:27 < erikh> you had to mention that. 01:35 -!- FireSlash [~FireSlash@70-9-246-140.area4.spcsdns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:54 -!- irgeek [~irgeek@cealsa01.centamin.com] has joined #linode 01:59 -!- Deckert [~Deckert@dsl-240-141-81.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:02 -!- esoterik [~esoterik@178.90.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06 -!- Karnaugh_ [~karnaugh@siza.thusa.net] has joined #linode 02:06 -!- Karnaugh [~karnaugh@siza.thusa.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:02 -!- coolmos [~d0b239f1@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 03:05 -!- metaperl [~metaperl@cpe-75-187-102-204.insight.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:11 -!- metaperl [~metaperl@cpe-75-187-102-204.insight.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 03:17 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s235.cinergycom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:21 -!- Redgore [~Redgore@65.19.178.250] has quit [Server closed connection] 03:21 -!- Redgore [~Redgore@65.19.178.250] has joined #linode 03:32 -!- miteyMite [~mitey@ip24-255-223-200.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Watch out for the head crabs!] 03:32 -!- miteyMite [~mitey@ip24-255-223-200.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #linode 03:51 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-230-244.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #linode 03:59 -!- scott [~scott@scott.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 03:59 -!- scott [~scott@scott.netop.oftc.net] has joined #linode 04:14 -!- coolmos [~d0b239f1@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:34 -!- christz [~christoph@193.170.134.161] has joined #linode 04:41 -!- scipio [~scipio@61.6.65.198] has quit [Server closed connection] 04:42 -!- scipio [~scipio@61.6.65.198] has joined #linode 05:00 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-230-244.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 05:55 -!- bleu [~52fc145e@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 05:55 < bleu> Morning all 06:03 -!- Hobbsee [~hobbsee@CPE-124-188-230-36.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #linode 06:42 -!- LazyGuest [~lazy@c-75-64-155-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #linode 06:42 -!- Rei-chan [~lazy@c-75-64-155-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:55 < bleu> i have a simple question for once, i have set up my linode with php5 mysql and have poitned the dns of one of my domains to the ip, it resolves and I see the apache2-default/ 06:55 < bleu> now i want to set up ftpp 06:55 < bleu> ftp 06:55 < bleu> im on a mac 06:56 < bleu> im using the Ubuntu 7.10 Profile 06:58 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@host-84-9-51-162.dslgb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:04 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 07:04 < bleu> By default, users are allowed to download files from FTP server. They are not allowed to upload files to FTP server. To change this setting, you should uncomment the following line: 07:04 < bleu> #write_enable=YES 07:05 < bleu> when i do this 07:05 < bleu> cat >> /etc/vsftpd.conf 07:05 < bleu> nothing happens 07:05 < bleu> im unsure how to change the settings 07:06 < bleu> Im using terminal on mac 07:07 < bleu> would it be better i i used some SSH client? 07:11 < bleu> I have managed to log into the ftp 07:11 < bleu> but as annomus and cannot upload or download 07:12 < bleu> I need to work out how to change the settings on the ftp 07:12 < bleu> but i dont understand how 07:13 < LazyGuest> You need to login as a user. 07:13 < LazyGuest> And not root. 07:13 < LazyGuest> create a user, then login as that user. 07:13 < LazyGuest> via ftp 07:13 * LazyGuest sleeps now. 07:14 < bleu> thanks 07:15 < bleu> Lazy can you clarify, I need to set up a user on the ftp client not on the server as I have a user on the server 07:16 -!- LazyGuest is now known as Rei-chan 07:16 < Rei-chan> You need to login to your system user on the client. 07:16 < Rei-chan> not anon 07:17 < bleu> thanks 07:17 < bleu> the client is what 07:17 < Rei-chan> Whatever your mac is using to FTP. 07:17 < Rei-chan> server == a program that runs on the Ubuntu box. 07:18 < bleu> ok i try but i get error this ftp server is anonymous only 07:18 < Rei-chan> client == program on your PC (A mac IS a PC. Personal Computer) that uses FTP to transfer files. 07:18 < Rei-chan> You'll need to edit your configuration file for the ftpd. 07:18 < bleu> yes i tried 07:18 < Rei-chan> It may be in /etc/vsftp.d/ 07:18 < bleu> how to do that 07:18 < SNy> Did you just change the vsftpd.conf? Or did you also tell it to reload its configuration? 07:18 < Rei-chan> Baiscally, you need to hunt. 07:18 < Rei-chan> Oh, and yeah, you need to restart it. 07:18 < irgeek> bleu: Don't use FTP. It's insecure and it sucks. 07:19 < Rei-chan> You change something? Restart the server. 07:19 < SNy> /etc/init.d/vsftpd reload, if you really want to use FTP. 07:19 < Rei-chan> • irgeek: This guy knows nothing of Linux. • 07:19 < Rei-chan> At all. 07:19 < SNy> You can as well use scp. 07:19 < irgeek> If you have ssh working, then scp will work too. 07:19 < Rei-chan> Feel like walking him through scp setup? 07:19 < SNy> What do you mean, "scp setup"? 07:19 < mwalling> if ssh works, scp should work then too 07:19 < bleu> i have used scp on a pc 07:19 < Rei-chan> Finding him a scp client for mac, etc. 07:19 < SNy> There is no such thing. 07:19 < bleu> i have an old pc herr 07:20 < bleu> but i dont like using it 07:20 < bleu> there is no scp for mac 07:20 < irgeek> bleu: Go download Cyberduck and use scp 07:20 -!- bmat [~544df121@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 07:20 < bleu> as far as i know 07:20 < mwalling> SNy: well, if the "Subsystem sftp" is commented out, i guess you would have to uncommnet it... that sounds like setup 07:20 < bleu> is it for mac 07:20 < irgeek> bleu: Yes 07:20 < bleu> oks 07:20 < irgeek> How long have you been using a Mac? 07:20 < bleu> years 07:20 < SNy> Really, now, where would that be commented out by default? 07:20 < bmat> Anyone here of Linode official support? 07:21 < Rei-chan> People with @ before their name. 07:21 < mwalling> bleu: open a terminal, like you did with ssh, and type `scp` 07:21 < Rei-chan> If they're awake at o'dark:30. 07:21 < bleu> ok 07:21 < mwalling> if that works, you have scp 07:21 < bmat> caker: ? 07:21 < bleu> yes 07:21 < bleu> it works 07:22 < SNy> You can make mikegrb's name appear, that's all. 07:22 < SNy> Check it out: rofl 07:22 < mikegrb> roflz 07:22 < bmat> i've just signed up via the web and my user seems to be inactive 07:22 < Rei-chan> If caker is awake, bmat, he would be one. 07:22 < SNy> d; 07:22 < Rei-chan> mikegrb has a script that replies, he may not be awake. 07:22 < Rei-chan> Accounts must be manually activated by someone at linode, I believe. 07:24 < irgeek> bmat: Rei-chan is correct. Due to high levels of fraud, Linode accounts have to be activated by a human before they go live. 07:24 < irgeek> It's usually pretty quick. 07:25 < irgeek> The people to talk to are caker, mikegrb and tasaro. 07:25 < bleu> OK I have cyberduck 07:25 < bmat> what time is it in the Linode HQ? :) 07:25 < irgeek> Use SFTP (SSH Secure Shell Transfer) to connect to your Linode IP. 07:25 < mwalling> Wed Jan 23 07:25:56 EST 2008 07:26 < bmat> ups. so i belive i've to wait until 9 or so... right? 07:27 < mwalling> nah, they usually wonder in at some point soonish 07:27 < irgeek> bleu: By the way, I've seen you say a few times "I'm using a Mac" as if that's going to be a problem. It isn't. 07:27 < bmat> cool, they usually send a mail after the activation? 07:28 < irgeek> Well, if you were on OS 9 still it might be, but OS X is perfect for doing Linux administration. 07:28 < irgeek> bmat: Yeah 07:28 < mwalling> i dont remember if there was a third email... 07:28 * irgeek looks 07:29 < bleu> thanks igreek 07:29 < bleu> I have same problem with cybergeek 07:29 < bleu> wont allow me to log in 07:29 < bleu> but it only offeres ftp 07:29 < bleu> and ssh 07:29 < bleu> and 07:29 < irgeek> Cyberduck? 07:30 < bleu> ssl 07:30 < bleu> it mentions scp but i cannot see how to use it 07:30 < irgeek> Can you ssh to your server? 07:30 < bleu> i dont know how 07:30 < bleu> i can get into the sever with terminal 07:30 < bleu> as user 07:30 < bleu> then change to root 07:30 < irgeek> apt-get install ssh 07:31 < bleu> i do that 07:31 < bleu> already installed 07:32 < irgeek> the do /etc/init.d/sshd start 07:32 < bleu> dobe 07:32 < bleu> ne 07:32 < bleu> ssh is already the newest version. 07:33 < irgeek> You need to start it. 07:34 < irgeek> '/etc/init.d/sshd start' 07:34 < irgeek> Or '/etc/init.d/ssh start' 07:35 < bleu> that seemed to work 07:35 < bleu> Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server sshd 07:35 < irgeek> Now you can do 'ssh username@your.linode.ip.or.name' 07:35 < bleu> still cannot login using cyberduck 07:36 < irgeek> Can you SSH in now? 07:36 < irgeek> Don't forget, you need to ssh to you Linode, not the the host. 07:36 < bleu> i dont know how 07:37 < bleu> im a complete novice 07:37 < mwalling> 07:35 < irgeek> Now you can do 'ssh username@your.linode.ip.or.name' 07:37 < bleu> pls tell me step by step 07:37 < mwalling> 07:35 < irgeek> Now you can do 'ssh username@your.linode.ip.or.name' 07:37 < bleu> ok 07:37 < mwalling> that *is* your step 07:38 < irgeek> type ssh 07:38 < irgeek> press the space bar 07:38 < irgeek> type your username 07:38 < bleu> ssh agentbleu@host56.fremont.linode.com 07:38 < irgeek> type @ 07:38 < bleu> like this 07:38 < irgeek> No. 07:38 < irgeek> host56.fremont.linode.com is your host 07:38 < irgeek> you need to ssh to your Linode 07:39 < bleu> from the cyberduck 07:39 < mwalling> from the command line 07:39 < mwalling> on your mac 07:39 < bleu> ok 07:39 < mwalling> open a terminal 07:40 < bleu> ssh agentbleu@66.160.141.87 07:40 < bleu> loke this 07:40 < Rei-chan> Yesh. 07:40 < mwalling> probably 07:41 < bleu> Host key verification failed. 07:41 < Rei-chan> Leap of faith. 07:41 < bleu> WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! 07:41 < irgeek> Hit Enter. 07:41 < bleu> agentbleu-bleus-computer:~ agentbleubleu$ 07:42 < irgeek> Now try Cyberduck with the same user and IP 07:42 < bleu> ok 07:42 < mwalling> no, he's not logged in 07:42 < mwalling> he needs to remove the fingerprint from known_hosts 07:42 < Rei-chan> agentblue-blues-computer? 07:42 < Rei-chan> That's not his linode, is it. 07:43 < encode> nah 07:43 < encode> that sounds like a mac hostname 07:43 < bleu> The host key supplied is: 31:99:15:93:bf:1b:8d:46:76:d5:ea:f5:cd:e0:04:47Do you want to allow the host access? 07:43 < Rei-chan> yeah, yeah i does. 07:43 < Rei-chan> Yes. 07:43 < Rei-chan> Yes you want to allow it. 07:43 < mwalling> bleu: what do you think 07:43 < bleu> login failed 07:43 < mwalling> bleu: apply some basic logic here 07:43 < Rei-chan> Logic is overrated. 07:43 < bleu> lol 07:43 < mikegrb> lolz 07:43 < Rei-chan> • bleu: Did you say yes? • 07:44 < Rei-chan> Did you say no? Did you say nothing? 07:44 < bleu> sorry to what 07:44 < bleu> i still cannot log in 07:44 < Rei-chan> Do you want to allow the host access? 07:44 < bleu> cyberduck has 3 choices 07:44 < bleu> yes oifcourse i said yes 07:44 < Rei-chan> And what happened? 07:44 < bleu> it has ftp 07:44 * mwalling *REALLY* thinks bleu should just contract out his server maintaince... 07:44 < bleu> login failed 07:44 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-230-244.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #linode 07:45 < mwalling> bleu: ignore cyberduck 07:45 < mwalling> forget its there 07:45 < bleu> ok 07:45 * Rei-chan does too, and has server maintenance plans. :) 07:45 * Rei-chan specializes in the technically daft! 07:45 < bleu> lol 07:45 < mikegrb> lolz 07:45 < bleu> buggers 07:45 < mwalling> bleu: copy and paste your entire terminal window where you tried logging in, and pastebin it 07:45 < bleu> ok 07:45 < bleu> \sec 07:45 < Rei-chan> You know what pastebin is, bleu? 07:45 < bleu> no] 07:46 < Rei-chan> • mwalling: linode have a pastebin? • 07:46 < mwalling> pastebin.linode.com 07:46 < Rei-chan> yay. 07:46 < Rei-chan> Copy it, bleu, then go to that URL in safari and paste it. We need the URL it gives you after you paste the contents in. 07:46 * mwalling also suggests a french language channel on freenode 07:46 < praetorian> p.linode.com ;) 07:47 < mwalling> er french language ubuntu channel 07:47 < Rei-chan> !fr 07:47 < Rei-chan> Go to #Ubuntu and type !fr, bleu. 07:47 < mwalling> #ubuntu-fr? 07:47 < Rei-chan> It'll tell you. 07:47 < Rei-chan> Yeah, it might be, mwalling. 07:47 < bleu> sec somethiong has gone really wrong 07:48 < bleu> terminal is going mad 07:48 < bleu> round and round 07:48 < Rei-chan> Copy/paste 07:48 < bleu> this is what i did 07:48 < irgeek> You pasted what you copied, I'll bet. 07:48 < bleu> it dont sto[ 07:48 < bleu> na 07:48 < irgeek> Ctrl-c 07:48 < bleu> I tried the other 07:48 < bleu> ssh agentbleu@host56.fremont.linode.com 07:48 < mwalling> *headdesk* 07:48 < Rei-chan> Quickly, turn it off! The ssh nodes have been compromised, you're being hacked tactically! 07:48 < bleu> then said yes 07:49 < irgeek> host56.fremont.linode.com is you Linode's host server. 07:49 < bleu> i shut the window down 07:49 < bleu> ok 07:49 * Rei-chan will be good? :) 07:49 < bleu> can we start from scratch 07:49 < irgeek> You log in there with your Linode username and password. 07:49 < mwalling> *headdesk* 07:49 < bleu> I just want to work out any way to get in and upload 07:49 < Rei-chan> Why does he keep trying to get into that? 07:49 < Rei-chan> bleu. 07:49 < Rei-chan> You have two choices left to you. 07:49 < irgeek> 66.160.141.87 or li6-87.members.linode.com. is your Linode. 07:50 < Rei-chan> 1. Do exactly as someone types to you. 07:50 < Rei-chan> 2. Spend euros. 07:50 < bleu> 1 07:50 < mwalling> and tell us exactly what stuff says back 07:50 < bleu> ok 07:50 < irgeek> You log into your Linode with the username and password you use at the console. 07:50 * mwalling heads to work 07:50 < bleu> im paying 100 % attention 07:50 < bleu> ok 07:51 < irgeek> bleu: Open a Terminal window. 07:51 < Rei-chan> >Welcome to DOING EXACTLY AS IRGEEK SAYS. Please do not type host56.fremont.linode.com. That is not your server. Type ssh agentbleu@66.160.141.87 07:51 < bleu> Host key verification failed. 07:51 < irgeek> Copy and paste into p.linode.com 07:51 < bleu> WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! 07:52 < mwalling> 07:51 < irgeek> Copy and paste into p.linode.com 07:52 < bleu> sec 07:52 < mwalling> caker: you break the forums again? 07:52 < caker> ..... 07:52 < bleu> done 07:53 < Rei-chan> caker, how often do complete novices buy linodes? 07:53 < irgeek> caker: bmat was asking about his activation earlier 07:53 < mwalling> i'm getting the same error as lastnight 07:53 < bleu> ssh agentbleu@host56.fremont.linode.com this is the way i have normally logged in 07:54 < irgeek> bleu: Did you erase an old distro and rebuild? 07:54 < mwalling> 07:51 < Rei-chan> >Welcome to DOING EXACTLY AS IRGEEK SAYS. Please do not type host56.fremont.linode.com. That is not your server. Type ssh agentbleu@66.160.141.87 07:54 < Internat> forums are fucked again btw 07:54 < bleu> i did not 07:54 < bleu> just saying 07:54 < bleu> first 07:54 < mwalling> here's bleu's paste: http://p.linode.com/172 07:54 < Internat> just got home, not sure if anyone else has commented it. i havnt looked up 07:54 < bleu> i installed debian 07:54 < Rei-chan> Debian? 07:54 < Rei-chan> Why. 07:54 < mwalling> he forgot the part where we said: give us the link 07:54 < bleu> then that did not work 07:55 < mwalling> bleu: it says *Right* in the error message what to do 07:55 < irgeek> Well, ssh was working. 07:55 < bleu> then i shut down and trid ubUbuntu 7.10 Profile 07:55 < mwalling> he needs to remove the finger print (i assume from debian) from his .ssh/known_hosts on his mac 07:56 -!- getsmart_ [~getsmart@88-149-230-64.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #linode 07:56 < Rei-chan> Hey, folks? Do I need to create a seperate account in the forums? 07:56 < Rei-chan> Yesh. 07:56 < Rei-chan> He does. 07:56 < irgeek> bleu: In your terminal window, type 'pico .ssh/known_hosts' 07:56 < mwalling> and delete line 2 07:57 < bleu> its opened nano 07:57 < bleu> and i dont think that works well on the mac 07:57 < irgeek> Go to the second line 07:57 < irgeek> Type Ctrl-k (that's the control key + k) 07:58 < bleu> done 07:58 < bleu> it went 07:58 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #linode 07:58 < irgeek> Ctrl-o (the letter o, not the number 0) 07:58 < irgeek> Ctrl-x 07:58 < bleu> 66.160.141.87 ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABIwAAAQEAw3Kvaadadh0eUC46fP4PRw+QzF1Df$ 07:58 < bleu> this is whats left 07:58 < Rei-chan> Enjoy your hax... 07:58 < Rei-chan> I mean hi. 07:58 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-230-244.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:59 < bleu> Ctrl-x does nothing 07:59 < irgeek> That's the line that should have been deleted. No big deal. You'll just get ask about the key for the host next time. 08:00 < irgeek> It should exit. 08:00 -!- Rei-chan is now known as Guest298 08:00 -!- Rei-chan [~14_nacorb@tamaki.cityscapesolutions.net] has joined #linode 08:00 < bleu> ile Name to Write: .ssh/known_hosts 08:00 * Guest298 throws an irssi on from the box, in case this dies. 08:00 < bleu> Save modified buffer (ANSWERING "No" WILL DESTROY CHANGES) ? 08:00 < Guest298> Y 08:01 < irgeek> Answer yes 08:01 -!- Guest298 [~lazy@c-75-64-155-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This is a generic quit message. Replace it with something better.] 08:01 < bleu> ok 08:01 < bleu> ok 08:01 < bleu> back 08:01 < irgeek> bleu: So was the file empty when you finished? 08:01 < bleu> no 08:01 < bleu> it had the aboive line 08:01 < bleu> thre were 2 lines 08:02 < bleu> i deleted the bottom 08:02 < bleu> as you said 08:02 < bleu> then it left the top 08:02 < bleu> shall i do it agian and delete that one too 08:02 < irgeek> Yes 08:02 < bleu> ok 08:02 < bleu> sec 08:03 < bleu> done 08:04 < bleu> nothing there now 08:04 < irgeek> Ok, now type ssh agentbleu@66.160.141.87 08:04 < bleu> Host key verification failed. 08:04 < Rei-chan> Speaking of forums, I has no forum activation email. 08:04 < bleu> i put it into that paste windeo 08:05 < Rei-chan> Did you save it, bleu ? 08:05 < bleu> yes 08:05 < bleu> shall i do it again to make sure 08:05 < irgeek> I don't see it there. 08:05 < Rei-chan> Nor do I. 08:06 < bleu> look now 08:06 * Rei-chan wonders what size linode the linode.com system runs on... 08:06 < irgeek> Rei-chan: 1440 I beleive 08:06 < bleu> pico .ssh/known_hosts 08:06 < bleu> in there 08:06 < Rei-chan> Strict checking is on, he has to add host keys manually? 08:06 < bleu> the 2 linnes are still there 08:07 < irgeek> OK. Exit pico 08:07 < irgeek> In your terminal windows type 'mv .ssh/known_hosts . 08:07 < bleu> exited 08:07 < irgeek> type 'mv .ssh/known_hosts .' 08:07 < irgeek> Notice there a space and period at the end. 08:08 < bleu> yes 08:08 < bleu> nothing happened 08:08 < irgeek> Yes it did. You moved the file. Now try ssh 08:08 < bleu> just ssh 08:08 < bleu> ssh agentbleu@66.160.141.87 08:08 < irgeek> Sorry. ssh agentbleu@66.160.141.87 08:08 < bleu> this right 08:08 < bleu> ok 08:09 < irgeek> You'll see a different error message 08:09 < bleu> The authenticity of host '66.160.141.87 (66.160.141.87)' can't be established. 08:09 < bleu> RSA key fingerprint is 31:99:15:93:bf:1b:8d:46:76:d5:ea:f5:cd:e0:04:47. 08:09 < irgeek> Type 'yes' and hit enter. 08:09 < bleu> Warning: Permanently added '66.160.141.87' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. 08:10 < bleu> passweord 08:10 < irgeek> It should then prompt for a password, possibly after a short delay 08:10 < bleu> wanted 08:10 < bleu> i put in the root and user nothing 08:10 < bleu> still asks for pass 08:10 < irgeek> Not root's password, agentbleu's 08:10 < bleu> it was the same 08:10 < irgeek> Wait, agentbleu is a user account on your Linode, right? 08:11 < bleu> yes 08:11 < irgeek> The username you user for the console and the Dashboard are not the same as accounts on your Linode. You understand that, correct? 08:12 < bleu> no 08:12 < irgeek> Ok. 08:12 < irgeek> Let's back up a little. 08:12 * Rei-chan wonders if bleu added a user. 08:12 < Rei-chan> i.e. did bleu ever login and type adduser 08:13 < bleu> no did not add a user 08:13 < Rei-chan> Well, this would be a... problem. 08:13 < irgeek> You need to do that. 08:13 < bleu> ok 08:13 < bleu> how 08:13 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:13 < irgeek> Ctrl-c until you're back at your Mac prompt. 08:13 < Rei-chan> Do you remember how your linode configuration asked you for a password? 08:13 < Rei-chan> For 'root?' 08:13 < bleu> yes 08:14 < irgeek> Rei-chan: Hold on. 08:14 < Rei-chan> You remember that password? 08:14 < bleu> agentbleu-bleus-computer:~ agentbleubleu$ 08:14 < bleu> yes 08:14 * Rei-chan just wants to make sure he doesn't need to hose and reinstall this one, irgeek. :) 08:14 < bleu> i know my pass 08:14 < irgeek> bleu: Do this: 'ssh root@66.160.141.87' 08:14 < bleu> ass 08:14 < bleu> pass 08:15 < irgeek> Your root password. 08:15 < bleu> im in 08:15 < bleu> as root 08:15 < bleu> root@none:~ # 08:15 -!- tolecnal [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:15 < Rei-chan> Welcome to Debian 08:16 < irgeek> 'adduser --home /home/username username' 08:16 < Rei-chan> plz replace username with the user you want. 08:16 < irgeek> Change both username's to whatever you want your username to be. 08:16 -!- jamie_ [~jamie@rivendell.silverdream.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:17 < bleu> Changing the user information for bleu 08:17 < bleu> Enter the new value, or press ENTER for the default 08:17 < bleu> Full Name []: 08:17 < bleu> yea i am user bleu 08:17 < caker> Please enter your name: 08:17 < caker> "your name" 08:17 < bleu> it wants a full name 08:18 < bleu> ok 08:18 < irgeek> Like 'George Bush' 08:18 < bleu> Room Number []: 08:18 < bleu> ? 08:18 < Rei-chan> 1 08:18 < bleu> lol 08:18 < mikegrb> lolz 08:18 < caker> Press any key to continue 08:18 < irgeek> Just hit enter 08:18 < caker> "where's the any key?!" 08:18 < bleu> Is the information correct? [y/N] y 08:18 < irgeek> Beat me to it 08:18 * Rei-chan deploys machine gun. 08:18 < irgeek> y 08:18 < bleu> oot@none:~ # 08:19 < bleu> lol 08:19 < mikegrb> lolz 08:19 < irgeek> OK, Now you have a user account. 08:19 < caker> Keyboard not found. Press F11 to continue 08:19 < bleu> ok we have a user 08:19 < bleu> wicked 08:19 < Rei-chan> Now, before you destroy America, type exit 08:19 < irgeek> Which OS X are you on? 08:19 < Rei-chan> And relogin. 08:19 < bleu> 10.4 08:19 < bleu> none 08:19 < Rei-chan> Actually, don't. :) 08:19 < Rei-chan> He needs a passwd on that user, doesn't he? :) 08:20 < bleu> i put a pass in 08:20 < irgeek> OK. Open a second terminal windows. 08:20 < bleu> ok 08:20 < bleu> ssh bleu@66.160.141.87 08:20 < bleu> this right? 08:20 < irgeek> Rei-chan is right again, did it ask you to type a password for the new user twice? 08:21 < bleu> es 08:21 < bleu> yes 08:21 < Rei-chan> (Debian does that?) 08:21 < irgeek> Yes, that's right 08:21 < bleu> im not on debain 08:21 < Rei-chan> What are you on. 08:21 < bleu> im on ub 08:21 < bleu> 7 08:21 < Rei-chan> (Ubuntu Server doesn't do that.) 08:21 < irgeek> I use Ubuntu and I didn't know it did that. 08:21 < bleu> ? 08:21 < irgeek> Anyway. Moving on. 08:21 < Rei-chan> Bleu, it asked you for a password for the new user you created in the terminal window? 08:21 < bleu> ok 08:22 < bleu> yes 08:22 < irgeek> 'ssh bleu@66.160.141.87' 08:22 < bleu> ok 08:22 < irgeek> It will ask for a password. Use the one you just assigned. 08:22 < bleu> yea ha 08:22 < bleu> im in 08:22 < caker> hack the planet 08:22 < irgeek> Did you get a prompt? 08:22 < bleu> bleu@none:~$ 08:22 < irgeek> Perfect. 08:22 < bleu> wonderful 08:22 < Rei-chan> caker, what'd you do to the image to do that? :) 08:23 -!- tolecnal [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has joined #linode 08:23 < caker> to do what? 08:23 < irgeek> Now type 'touch little.girls' 08:23 < Rei-chan> useradd == useradd ; passwd 08:23 < bleu> lol 08:23 < mikegrb> lolz 08:23 < Rei-chan> DO NOT THINK. DO IT NOW. 08:23 < bleu> 10 points deducted 08:23 < Rei-chan> Your little.girls file is essential to the operation of a Ubuntu server. :( 08:23 < bleu> serious 08:23 < bleu> lol 08:23 < mikegrb> lolz 08:23 < bleu> dirtuy bastards 08:24 < irgeek> You have no idea 08:24 < bleu> lol 08:24 < mikegrb> lolz 08:24 < bleu> lol 08:24 < mikegrb> lolz 08:24 < bleu> im still not sure if your serious\ 08:24 < bleu> lol 08:24 < mikegrb> lolz 08:25 < irgeek> You can change little.girls to something eles like test_file if you like 08:25 < bleu> ok if i get into any trouble im blaming Now type 'touch little.girls' 08:25 < bleu> nothing happened 08:25 < bleu> back to promt 08:25 < irgeek> Type 'ls' 08:25 < bleu> no i like tocuhing little girls ll 08:25 * Rei-chan frowns. 08:26 < Rei-chan> http://pastebin.linode.com/174 08:26 < Rei-chan> That's my little.girls file. 08:26 < irgeek> I'm scarred to look 08:26 < bleu> lol 08:26 < mikegrb> lolz 08:26 < bleu> little.girls 08:26 < Rei-chan> (Its just one of my user's name, who will probably beat me with a stick and then do other things...) 08:26 < bleu> bleu@none:~$ 08:26 < irgeek> Yay! 08:27 < bleu> cool 08:27 < bleu> i take it we have done something more than dirty 08:27 < irgeek> OK. Now open Cyberduck 08:27 < bleu> ok 08:27 < Rei-chan> No, I will do something more than dirty with the person in my little.girls file. But later. 08:27 < Rei-chan> You will open Cyberduck. 08:27 < bleu> lol 08:27 < mikegrb> lolz 08:27 < bleu> so 08:27 < irgeek> Yes. This has all been aimed at a specific task 08:27 < bleu> ftp 08:27 < bleu> ssl 08:27 < bleu> ssh 08:27 < bleu> ssh 08:27 < Rei-chan> scp scp scp scp ftw 08:28 < bleu> has 3 options 08:28 < bleu> none say scp 08:28 < irgeek> File->Open Connection 08:28 < irgeek> SFTP (SSH Secure File Transfer) 08:28 < bleu> ok 08:28 < bleu> plp 08:28 < irgeek> Server: 66.160.141.87 08:28 < Rei-chan> Hey, irgeek, wanna know something funny? 08:28 < irgeek> Username: bleu 08:29 < bleu> yah 08:29 < bleu> into little girls now 08:29 < irgeek> Password: 08:29 < bleu> Im making progress 08:29 < bleu> lol\ 08:29 < mikegrb> lolz 08:29 < Rei-chan> Does he have php and apache2 installed? :) 08:29 < bleu> wicked 08:29 < irgeek> Do you see the file in Cyberduck? 08:29 < bleu> yes 08:29 < bleu> no 08:29 < bleu> i see 08:30 < irgeek> Again? Yes what, no what? 08:30 < bleu> little girls 08:30 < bleu> then i click on it 08:30 < irgeek> It's empty. 08:30 < bleu> yes 08:30 < Rei-chan> IF you can see the little girls file, you're in. 08:30 < Rei-chan> And yes, its goin to be empty. 08:30 < Rei-chan> YOu have no little girls. 08:30 < bleu> but i thought i installed php5 earlier 08:30 < irgeek> Drag a file you want on the server into the Cyberduck window 08:30 < bleu> ok 08:31 < bleu> done 08:31 < irgeek> I've heard the PHP developers only like little boys 08:31 < bleu> It should be live 08:31 < irgeek> No 08:31 < bleu> no we like both 08:31 < bleu> and old ones too 08:31 < Rei-chan> Are you a PHP dev? 08:32 < Rei-chan> As in, a person who develops THE PHP language, not ON PHP. 08:32 < bleu> http://www.the-authorities.com/apache2-default/ 08:32 * Rei-chan goes to get a cat from warmth. 08:32 < bleu> yes 08:32 < bleu> yes 08:32 < bleu> this is what i see 08:32 < bleu> the index file is not there 08:32 < irgeek> You haven't changed that. 08:33 < bleu> no 08:33 < irgeek> Slow down. 08:33 < bleu> im just a php user 08:33 < Rei-chan> Any file you drag is oing in /home/bleu 08:33 < Rei-chan> So, hold on. 08:33 < bleu> ok 08:33 < irgeek> Did you drag a file into Cyberduck? 08:33 < bleu> yes 08:33 < bleu> index file 08:33 < bleu> index.php 08:34 < irgeek> Go to Terminal and find the window where you are logged in as bleu 08:34 < irgeek> And type 'ls -l' 08:34 < bleu> -rw-r--r-- 1 bleu bleu 0 Jan 23 08:25 little.girls 08:34 < bleu> -rw-r--r-- 1 bleu bleu 321 Jan 23 07:10 index.php 08:35 < irgeek> OK. You just transfered a file from your Mac to your Linode securely. 08:35 < bleu> wicked 08:35 < irgeek> Hooray! 08:35 < bleu> lol 08:35 < mikegrb> lolz 08:35 < bleu> thanks guys 08:35 < bleu> now 08:35 < bleu> whats next 08:36 < Rei-chan> Moving the file to your webserver directory? 08:36 < bleu> yes 08:36 < bleu> how to move abourt 08:36 < Rei-chan> Also, protip: Cats who sit in windows, while like to be petted, will go back to the window. 08:37 < bleu> hmm 08:37 < bleu> -10 points for reichan 08:38 < irgeek> bleu: Do you know where Apache's root directory is? 08:38 < bleu> no idea 08:38 < bleu> im lokoking says not much 08:38 < bleu> I have bleu 08:38 < irgeek> Look in /var/www/ 08:38 < bleu> and ftp 08:38 < bleu> ah 08:38 < bleu> here we go 08:39 < bleu> I have apache2 in there 08:40 < bleu> and inseide apache2 is a index file 08:40 < bleu> not my one 08:40 < irgeek> On your root window type 'cp /home/bleu/index.php /var/www/' 08:40 < bleu> so www is the root 08:40 < bleu> ok 08:41 < bleu> done 08:41 < bleu> nothing happened 08:41 < bleu> back to promt 08:42 < irgeek> You copied the file to /var/www 08:42 < bleu> no 08:42 < bleu> bleu 08:42 < bleu> i upload it again 08:42 < irgeek> What? 08:43 < bleu> index.php 08:43 < Rei-chan> Stop thinking. cp is silent. 08:43 < Rei-chan> it will not tell you that it copied anything. 08:43 < irgeek> You copied it. 08:43 < Rei-chan> also, php is NOT setup on your server. 08:43 < bleu> aha 08:43 < Rei-chan> It just tried to send me the file. 08:43 < bleu> ? 08:44 < irgeek> http://pastebin.linode.com/175 08:44 < bleu> yes 08:44 < bleu> i see ssame problem 08:44 < irgeek> That is the file you uploaded. Apache doesn't know what to do with PHP. 08:44 < bleu> all my passswords are in there lol 08:44 < mikegrb> lolz 08:44 < Rei-chan> ... 08:45 < bleu> lol 08:45 < mikegrb> lolz 08:45 < bleu> ok 08:45 < bleu> So I need to set up php 08:45 < bleu> but i did 08:45 < Rei-chan> Who writes in 4.01 transitional anymore? 08:45 < Rei-chan> HOW did you? 08:45 -!- getsmart_ [~getsmart@88-149-230-64.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 08:45 < bleu> wehn i set up UB 08:45 < bleu> i then updated it then did this 08:45 < Rei-chan> Also, what the heck do you write web pages with? 08:45 < bleu> apt-get install apache2 mysql-server php5 08:46 < bleu> webdesign its called 08:46 < Rei-chan> apache2-mod-php5 08:46 * Rei-chan leaves this to irgeek, but may pop in, I have to do something very important. Get warm. 08:46 < bleu> thanks for help reichan 08:47 < bleu> so when i set up php what did i do wrong 08:47 < irgeek> bleu: I hate to break it to you, but you've got a fair bit of learning to do, and I can't walk you through all of it in irc. Find a LAMP on Ubuntu guide and have a read. 08:48 < bleu> np 08:48 < bleu> but thanks for the help 08:48 < bleu> i think i have made good progress 08:48 < irgeek> You can log in. I'd call that progress. 08:48 < bleu> yes 08:49 < bleu> many thanks 08:49 < irgeek> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-lamp-server-setup.html 08:49 < bleu> i wil go and have another read about seting up php 08:49 < bleu> ok 08:49 < irgeek> That's the LAMP guid for 7.10 08:49 < bleu> ok 08:49 < bleu> thanks 08:49 < bleu> I will be back though 08:49 < bleu> lol 08:49 < mikegrb> lolz 08:49 < irgeek> Someone's usually around. 08:50 < irgeek> Now I should probably do some of the work I get paid for. :) 08:50 < bleu> yes 08:50 < bleu> thanks all 08:50 < bleu> you are very good to me 08:50 < bleu> i wont tell anyone about the little girls thingy 08:51 < bleu> ;-) 08:51 < bleu> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-lamp-server-setup.html 08:52 < bleu> this is down at the moment 08:58 < bleu> php5-common is already the newest version. 08:58 < bleu> i try installing php 08:58 < bleu> but it says its already there 08:58 < bleu> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/php5.html 08:58 < bleu> i did install php at the begining 08:59 < bleu> this is what i typed into root\ 08:59 < bleu> root@none:~ # sudo apt-get install php5-common php5 libapache2-mod-php5 08:59 < bleu> php5-common is already the newest version. 09:01 < bleu> ok i need to do a restart 09:03 < bleu> that worked 09:03 < bleu> php is running 09:03 < bleu> lol 09:03 < mikegrb> lolz 09:05 < irgeek> Sorry about the dead link. I just copied it out of a Google search. 09:07 < bleu> np 09:07 < bleu> i have a question about mysql 09:07 < bleu> how do i getinto phpadmin 09:07 < bleu> or mysql 09:08 < bleu> is there a comon url 09:08 < irgeek> Did you install phpmyadmin yet? 09:08 < bleu> no 09:09 < mwalling_> then you cant 09:09 < irgeek> apt-get install phpmyadmin 09:09 < bleu> ok 09:09 < mwalling_> stuff isn't "magic"... you do need to install things 09:09 < bleu> ts all simple when you know how ha 09:09 < bleu> Ill get there 09:09 < bleu> just give me time 09:10 < bleu> E: Couldn't find package phpmyadmin 09:11 -!- Hobbsee [~hobbsee@CPE-124-188-230-36.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:11 * irgeek does a happy dance 09:12 < irgeek> My array rebuild onto the replacement drive finished! 09:13 -!- Hobbsee [~hobbsee@CPE-124-188-230-36.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #linode 09:13 < irgeek> bleu: You may need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the lines that end with 'universe' 09:14 < irgeek> And when you're access phpmyadmin, use https. Otherwise you're blasting your password all over the place. 09:15 < bleu> ok thanks 09:16 < bleu> i have not worked out how to get in and edit these set up files 09:16 -!- TJF [~TJF@pat.foulston.com] has joined #linode 09:16 < irgeek> pico filename 09:17 < bleu> so 09:17 < irgeek> Or use vi - but it has a much steeper learning curve. 09:17 < bleu> its pico /etc/apt/sources.list 09:17 < irgeek> YUp 09:17 < bleu> ot it 09:17 < bleu> got it 09:20 < irgeek> Then do 'apt-get update' and try to install phpmyadmin again 09:20 < bleu> ok 09:20 < bleu> sec 09:22 < bleu> i cannot get out of nano 09:22 < irgeek> Ctrl-x 09:22 < bleu> Save modified buffer (ANSWERING "No" WILL DESTROY CHANGES) ? 09:22 < bleu> i put y 09:22 < irgeek> Then it will ask to save at the bottom of the screen 09:22 < bleu> File Name to Write: /etc/apt/sources.list 09:23 < irgeek> yes 09:23 < bleu> blimmy 09:23 < bleu> i got it 09:23 < bleu> just have to enter 09:24 < mwalling_> by golly i think he's getting it 09:24 < bleu> lol 09:24 < mikegrb> lolz 09:24 < bleu> - 5 points for mwalling 09:25 < mwalling_> wtf? 09:25 < mwalling_> i compliment you and i get -5 points? 09:25 < bleu> lol 09:25 < mikegrb> lolz 09:25 < bleu> oh in england (where im from that one would def be classified under sarcasim 09:25 < bleu> lol 09:25 < mikegrb> lolz 09:27 -!- Eman [~eman@dyn216-8-173-168.ADSL.mnsi.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 09:27 < bleu> wiked 09:27 -!- Eman [~eman@dyn216-8-173-168.ADSL.mnsi.net] has joined #linode 09:27 < bleu> its installed phpmyadmin 09:28 < bleu> Ok its all installed 09:28 < bleu> so now i need to goto it 09:28 < bleu> https://www.the-authorities.com/??? 09:28 -!- marcel [~marcel@wc-50.r-195-35-150.atwork.nl] has joined #linode 09:29 < irgeek> You'll need to enable https first. 09:29 < bleu> lol 09:29 < mikegrb> lolz 09:29 < bleu> your all funny 09:29 < bleu> ok 09:30 < bleu> give it to me if you would 09:31 < bleu> Im making a step by step guide of this process and will update your wiki as I finish 09:32 < bleu> hopefully save you all from more of these nobs like me 09:33 < irgeek> http://www.tc.umn.edu/~brams006/selfsign_ubuntu.html 09:33 < bleu> hanks 09:33 * irgeek check the link this time 09:33 < irgeek> s/check/checked/ 09:34 < bleu> where 09:34 < bleu> i hope this ssl isnt going to cost memoneey 09:35 < irgeek> SSL doesn't cost money. Getting your certificate signed by a trusted authority does. 09:35 < bleu> aha 09:36 < bleu> so looking at the guide 09:36 < bleu> start here? 09:36 < bleu> cd /etc/apache2/sites-available 09:38 -!- linville [~linville@wireless-nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com] has joined #linode 09:38 < irgeek> Don't use apache2-ssl-certificate yet. Your hostname isn't set. 09:39 -!- bleu [~52fc145e@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:39 -!- bleu [~52fc145e@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 09:39 < bleu> oh shit 09:39 -!- bleu [~52fc145e@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:39 -!- bleu [~52fc145e@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 09:40 < irgeek> What? 09:40 < bleu> can someone do me another fav 09:40 < bleu> this crashed so i had to restart it 09:40 < bleu> I want to keep all the conversation 09:40 < bleu> so i can take nots from it and not ask same things again 09:40 < mwalling_> use a real irc client 09:40 < bleu> can someone post it 09:40 < bleu> in the post thing 09:40 < irgeek> http://www.linode.com/irc/logs/linode.log 09:41 < bleu> thaks 09:42 < bleu> greeat 09:42 < bleu> so 09:42 < bleu> Don't use apache2-ssl-certificate yet. Your hostname isn't set. 09:42 < bleu> ? 09:42 < irgeek> When linbot rotates the logs later tonight, it should be at http://www.linode.com/irc/logs/linode.log-2008-01-23 09:42 < bleu> its ok i saved it 09:43 < irgeek> Type 'uname -a' 09:43 < bleu> one 09:43 < bleu> d 09:44 < bleu> now this 09:44 < bleu> "/usr/sbin/apache2-ssl-certificate -days 365 " 09:45 < bleu> -bash: /usr/sbin/apache2-ssl-certificate: No such file or directory 09:46 * caker breaks his rusty cage! 09:47 * SpaceHobo fixes the cage with new steel 09:47 < SpaceHobo> there you go 09:47 < SpaceHobo> that won't happen again, so don't worry 09:47 * tasaro installs new hosts in the new steel cage. 09:47 * SpaceHobo plugs tasaro into the UPS 09:47 < irgeek> bleu: http://p.linode.com/176 <- To make your cert 09:47 * tasaro fries. 09:48 < bleu> thanks 09:48 * irgeek adds ketchup and mustard 09:48 < bleu> I have fuc something up 09:48 < bleu> root@none:/etc/apache2/sites-available # 09:48 < bleu> how i get back to root 09:48 < irgeek> What's the problem 09:48 < irgeek> cd 09:48 < irgeek> You just changed directory 09:48 < bleu> thanks 09:48 < bleu> ok 09:49 < irgeek> cd by itself will always take you to your home directory 09:49 < irgeek> bleu: When the cert making program asks for the server name, use www.whateveryourdomainis.com 09:50 < bleu> http://pastebin.linode.com/177 09:51 < bleu> i fucked it up ofcourse 09:52 < irgeek> Maybe not. 09:52 -!- fake [~fake@rrcs-72-43-24-86.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:52 * realist still has issues booting with an initrd 09:53 < bleu> i did it again 09:53 < bleu> and this is what it says 09:53 < bleu> -bash: -new: command not found 09:54 < bleu> after > -keyout /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem 09:54 < irgeek> You didn't paste the \ from the previous line. 09:54 < irgeek> They're important. 09:55 < irgeek> bleu: Just to humor me, can you do 'apt-get update' the 'apt-get upgrade' 09:55 < bleu> http://pastebin.linode.com/178 09:55 < bleu> ok 09:55 < bleu> one 09:55 < bleu> i try again 09:56 < irgeek> Does the upgrade change anything? 09:56 < irgeek> Let me rephrase that. Does apt-get upgrade want to install anything? 09:56 < bleu> http://pastebin.linode.com/180 09:56 < bleu> yes 09:56 < bleu> it did 09:57 < bleu> both did 09:57 < irgeek> 'ls -l /usr/share/apache2/ssleay.cnf' 09:58 < bleu> ls: /usr/share/apache2/ssleay.cnf: No such file or directory 09:58 < irgeek> That file belongs to the apache2-common package. It should be there if that's installed. 09:59 -!- hfb [~hfb@pool-71-106-219-180.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #linode 09:59 < bleu> ok 10:00 < irgeek> Ah, 'apt-get install apache2.2-common apache2-utils' 10:00 < irgeek> I'm guessing utils is missing 10:01 < bleu> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 10:01 < bleu> apache2-utils is already the newest version. 10:02 -!- schmichael_ [~michael@zim.lofiart.com] has joined #linode 10:04 < bleu> export RANDFILE=/dev/random 10:04 < bleu> ? 10:04 < bleu> http://www.tc.umn.edu/~brams006/selfsign_ubuntu.html 10:04 -!- schmichael_ is now known as schmichael 10:04 -!- scorche|w [~42c007b2@ice.cream.org] has joined #linode 10:06 < bleu> is it missing this file? 10:06 < bleu> ssleay.cnf 10:06 < bleu> ssleay.cnf 10:06 < bleu> shall i look for it 10:06 < bleu> in apache 10:09 < irgeek> In your root console: 'updatedb && locate ssleay.cnf' 10:09 < bleu> inside apache2 /usr/share/apache2 there are only 3 files 10:09 < bleu> ok 10:09 < bleu> error 10:09 < bleu> build 10:09 < bleu> icons 10:10 < bleu> "/usr/share/ssl-cert/ssleay.cnf" 10:11 < bleu> yes i see it in there 10:14 < irgeek> Wierd. The apache ssleay.cnf isn't in any Ubuntu 7.10 package 10:15 < bleu> its in there no? 10:15 < bleu> just in the wrong place? 10:15 < bleu> "/usr/share/ssl-cert/ssleay.cnf" 10:15 < bleu> i can see it in here 10:15 < bleu> in cyberduck 10:17 < irgeek> Wrong file. 10:17 < irgeek> That's a different file. 10:17 < bleu> ok 10:17 < bleu> with the same name 10:17 < irgeek> Do this in your root console: 'cd && wget http://irgeek.com/ssleay.cnf' 10:17 < irgeek> Same name, different cert layout. 10:18 < bleu> i think that did it 10:18 < irgeek> Then run this: http://p.linode.com/181 10:19 < bleu> when you say run this 10:19 < bleu> just tap it line by line right 10:20 < irgeek> It's one big command. You can copy from the textbox on the pastebin and paste into your console. 10:20 < bleu> http://pastebin.linode.com/182 10:20 < bleu> not work 10:20 < irgeek> The \ at the end of the first and second lines tell your shell you're not finished typeing the command. 10:20 < bleu> thanks 10:21 < irgeek> You didn't get the updated command: http://p.linode.com/181 10:21 < bleu> ok 10:22 < bleu> ame 10:22 < bleu> same 10:22 < bleu> http://pastebin.linode.com/183 10:22 < irgeek> Not the same. Paste the error. 10:23 < irgeek> 'mkdir /etc/apache2/ssl' 10:23 < irgeek> Then run 181 again. 10:23 < irgeek> Ubuntu changed the ssl stuff 10:23 < bleu> ok 10:24 < bleu> orking 10:25 < bleu> wants country 10:25 < bleu> server name (eg. ssl.domain.tld; required!!!) []: 10:26 < bleu> ? 10:26 < irgeek> www.whateveryourdomainis.com 10:26 < bleu> ok 10:26 < irgeek> Change that to your domain 10:26 < bleu> i got that lol 10:26 < mikegrb> lolz 10:26 < bleu> - 15 points for igeek 10:26 < irgeek> If it asks for a key password, leave it blank 10:27 < bleu> no it didnt 10:27 < bleu> done 10:27 < bleu> root@none:~ # 10:27 < bleu> so 10:27 < irgeek> OK 10:27 < bleu> can i just recap a bit 10:27 < bleu> so i understand 10:27 < irgeek> Sure. 10:28 < bleu> what did we have to do and why 10:28 -!- h00s [~h00s@78-0-120-111.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #linode 10:28 < bleu> in a nutshell 10:29 < irgeek> Are you asking me to recap? 10:29 -!- h00s [~h00s@78-0-120-111.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:29 < bleu> no 10:29 < bleu> just asking what it was all about 10:29 < bleu> a missing file 10:29 < bleu> i take it 10:29 < bleu> that we lifted of your server 10:29 < bleu> you some of your majic 10:29 < bleu> then it worked? 10:29 < irgeek> Basically. 10:29 < bleu> right 10:30 < bleu> so im asking cause i want to make this into a wiki page 10:30 < bleu> to help you and others 10:30 < irgeek> When you get around to writing up the wiki, I'll have a look at it. 10:30 < bleu> would this be encountered by everyone 10:30 < bleu> ok 10:30 < bleu> np 10:30 < bleu> so for now i leave in a section about that file 10:30 < bleu> sec pleas 10:30 < irgeek> Everyone using Ubuntu 7.10 10:30 < bleu> e 10:31 < bleu> ok 10:31 < bleu> so what we need next i take it is a url to get to phpmyadmin? 10:31 < bleu> or have you more suprises 10:31 < bleu> ? 10:31 < bleu> lol\ 10:31 < mikegrb> lolz 10:31 * A-KO would enable SSL if he were you for phpmyadmin 10:32 < bleu> ok 10:32 < bleu> im writing a report on it 10:33 -!- h00s [~h00s@78-0-120-111.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #linode 10:34 -!- h00s_ [~h00s@78-3-222-80.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:34 < bleu> ok so now i have ssl 10:34 < bleu> set up 10:35 < irgeek> A-KO: We're in the middle of that. :) 10:35 < bleu> ah 10:35 < A-KO> nice 10:35 < irgeek> Nope, now you have a certificate. 10:35 < bleu> ah 10:35 < bleu> ok 10:35 < irgeek> Now we need to configure Apache. 10:35 < bleu> wonderful 10:35 < bleu> sounds like a breeze 10:35 < A-KO> self signing ftw 10:36 < bleu> ftw 10:36 < bleu> i know what that means young man 10:36 < A-KO> lol 10:36 < mikegrb> lolz 10:36 < bleu> lol 10:36 < mikegrb> lolz 10:36 < bleu> - 50 points for ako 10:36 < irgeek> bleu: Hang out for a few minutes. I'm going to attempt to make the less painful. 10:36 < bleu> this is all going on the wiki 10:37 < bleu> cool 10:37 < A-KO> bleu: just a little fyi, if this will be a business or eventually be a part of a business or something like that, you should obtain a cert signed by Verisign or Thawte. They cost money (lots), but keeps users from being hassled eveyrtime they visit your website. 10:37 < A-KO> self-signed is fine for internal stuff 10:37 < bleu> its only for me 10:37 < A-KO> ahh 10:37 < bleu> its not for business 10:37 < A-KO> okay then 10:37 < A-KO> yeah that's fine 10:47 < bleu> http://www.myplaylist.biz/music/watch-now.php?ref=70 10:47 < bleu> lil something to help pass the time for those not at work 10:47 < bleu> NSFW 10:55 < irgeek> bleu: Have you edited /etc/apache2/sites-available/default yet? 10:55 < bleu> no 10:55 < bleu> i dont think so 10:56 < irgeek> OK. Good. 10:57 -!- hfb [~hfb@pool-71-106-219-180.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:58 < irgeek> Ok, here we go. :) 10:58 < bleu> coo 10:58 < bleu> l 10:59 < irgeek> Just checking one thing... 11:00 < bleu> np 11:09 -!- Hobbsee [~hobbsee@CPE-124-188-230-36.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:10 < irgeek> bleu: First step: cd /etc/apache2/sites-available && mv default default.dist' 11:11 < irgeek> Only run that once, please 11:11 < bleu> ok 11:11 < irgeek> That's just saving your original Apache config. 11:12 < irgeek> Now for the sugar: ' wget http://irgeek.com/default http://irgeek.com/default-ssl && a2ensite default && a2ensite default-ssl && a2enmod ssl' 11:13 -!- tehdan [~dan@zoidberg.area-52.org.uk] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:13 -!- tehdan [~dan@zoidberg.area-52.org.uk] has joined #linode 11:13 < bleu> i think it worked 11:13 < bleu> i past into p 11:13 < bleu> sec 11:14 < bleu> http://p.linode.com/184 11:14 < irgeek> Looks good. Now do '/etc/init.d/apache2 restart/ 11:14 < irgeek> Sorry 11:15 < irgeek> Should be: '/etc/init.d/apache2 restart' 11:15 < bleu> ok 11:15 < irgeek> Did Apache complain? 11:15 < bleu> no 11:15 < bleu> i posted it in 184 11:16 < bleu> apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName 11:16 < irgeek> Good. Now: 'mkdir /var/www-ssl/' 11:16 < bleu> sec 11:16 < bleu> problem 11:16 < bleu> i post it 11:16 < irgeek> That shouldn't matter just yet... 11:16 < irgeek> I hope. 11:16 -!- Dreamer3 [~Dreamer3@74-142-174-231.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:16 < bleu> http://p.linode.com/185 11:17 < bleu> mkdir /var/www-ssl/ 11:17 < bleu> this went back to promt 11:17 < irgeek> Good. 11:19 < bleu> any thanks irgeek 11:19 < linbot> New news from wiki: Backups with s3sync || Backups with s3sync || Multiple IPs 11:19 < bleu> i will buy you a bottle of scotch 11:19 < bleu> if you have a paypal email 11:19 * irgeek loves scotch, but can't buy it in Egypt 11:19 < bleu> bugger that 11:20 -!- Dreamer3 [~Dreamer3@74-142-174-231.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #linode 11:21 < bleu> have you a paypal address 11:21 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s107.cinergycom.net] has joined #linode 11:25 < irgeek> Don't worry about it. 11:25 < bleu> hanks man 11:28 < irgeek> Do this: 'ln -s /usr/share/phpmyadmin/ /var/www-ssl/MySQLManager' 11:28 < bleu> k 11:28 < bleu> done 11:28 < irgeek> Then visit https://www.the-authorities.com/MySQLManager/ 11:29 < irgeek> It should work. 11:29 < bleu> enus 11:29 < bleu> genus 11:29 * irgeek bows 11:29 < bleu> lol 11:30 < mikegrb> lolz 11:30 < bleu> problem with passweord 11:30 -!- hfb [~hfb@pool-71-106-219-180.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #linode 11:30 < bleu> wont let me in 11:30 < bleu> as bleu 11:30 < bleu> or agentbleu 11:32 < irgeek> It needs your MySQL credentials. 11:33 < bleu> when i set up the php/ mysql 11:33 < bleu> it qsked for q pass 11:33 < bleu> i used the same one 11:33 < bleu> but that seems not to work 11:36 < bleu> do we have to delete the backup we made of apache 11:40 < irgeek> No. It's just a config file. 11:40 < irgeek> I just installed mysql on my testing box and it only asks for the password once. You may have made a typo. 11:41 < bleu> hmm 11:41 < bleu> not sure 11:41 < bleu> where do you mean 11:41 < bleu> i dobt it 11:41 < bleu> doubt it 11:41 < bleu> i was v careful with the pass 11:42 < bleu> when i installed php/mysql 11:42 < bleu> but there was that problem at the begining 11:42 < bleu> where i had to remove the previous session or something 11:42 < bleu> from debian 11:43 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-230-64.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #linode 11:44 < bleu> when you say installed mysql 11:44 < bleu> do i need a restart 11:44 < bleu> or do i have to do this 11:44 < bleu> sudo apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client 11:45 < bleu> as i dont recall doing that yet 11:45 < irgeek> Try installing this one: mysql-server 11:45 < irgeek> You don't necessarily need the client stuff. 11:45 < bleu> so 11:45 < irgeek> But it won't hurt anything. 11:45 < irgeek> apt-get install mysql-server 11:45 < bleu> right 11:45 < bleu> ok 11:46 < bleu> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 11:46 < bleu> mysql-server is already the newest version. 11:47 -!- linville_ [~linville@nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com] has joined #linode 11:47 -!- linville_ [~linville@nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com] has quit [] 11:50 -!- FireSlash [~FireSlash@70-9-246-140.area4.spcsdns.net] has joined #linode 11:51 < bleu> can i set up more than one mysql (i take it i can) so can i set up another with a fresh use/pass 11:52 < bleu> Oh 11:52 < bleu> Im in 11:52 < bleu> \as root 11:53 < bleu> and pass 11:53 < irgeek> Yeah. I just thought of that. :) 11:53 < bleu> lol 11:53 < mikegrb> lolz 11:53 < bleu> tourture 11:53 < irgeek> I need to step out for a bit. 11:53 < bleu> sorry man 11:53 < bleu> sure 11:53 < irgeek> See you in a few. 11:53 < bleu> np 11:53 < bleu> yea 11:53 -!- irgeek [~irgeek@cealsa01.centamin.com] has quit [Quit: irgeek] 11:53 < bleu> poor sod 11:53 < bleu> blimmy 11:54 < Bdragon> You can log in as root and add databases and users easily 11:54 < Bdragon> I always use: 11:54 < Bdragon> CREATE DATABASE newdb; 11:54 < bleu> thanks 11:54 < bleu> where abouts in sql 11:54 < Bdragon> GRANT all ON newdb.* to 'newuser'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'somepass'; 11:54 < Bdragon> log into mysql as root that is 11:55 < bleu> so 11:55 < Bdragon> mysql -u root -p 11:55 < bleu> u will ahve to spell it out as i dont understand where to put in thouse comands 11:55 < Bdragon> (enter root mysql user's password) 11:55 < Bdragon> It will drop you into the command line client... 11:55 < bleu> in terminal 11:55 < bleu> ok 11:56 < bleu> so i try 11:56 < bleu> sec 11:56 < bleu> should i do it from here 11:56 < bleu> root@none:/etc/apache2/sites-available # 11:56 < bleu> or go back to cd 11:57 < Bdragon> Doesn't matter what directory you're in 11:57 < bleu> ok 11:57 < bleu> -bash: CREATE: command not found 11:57 < Bdragon> you need to do the mysql -u root -p first 11:57 * caker updates the wiki version 11:58 < Bdragon> The first two commands there are meant to be run INSIDE the sql command line client "mysql" 11:58 < bleu> ight 11:58 < bleu> right 11:58 < bleu> sec 11:59 < bleu> mysql> 11:59 < bleu> im at this promt 11:59 < Bdragon> ok 12:00 < Bdragon> now you can run the CREATE ... and GRANT... commands 12:00 < Bdragon> Replace stuff with what you want 12:00 < bleu> ight 12:00 < bleu> inside sql 12:00 < bleu> of the mysql 12:00 < caker> meh .. wiki upgrade didn't go so well 12:00 < Bdragon> right, you enter sql statements at the mysql> prompt 12:01 < bleu> ok nothing to do the online mysql 12:01 < bleu> ok 12:01 < Bdragon> The two statements I pasted will create a database and then create a user and give them access to that database. 12:01 < bleu> all in terminal 12:01 < bleu> ok 12:01 -!- vatic [~vatic@ool-45740b1c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #linode 12:03 * caker starts over .. _again_ 12:04 < bleu> ok 12:04 < bleu> that seemed to work 12:04 < bleu> so i have now 2 mysqls 12:04 < bleu> both at the same url 12:04 < bleu> I guess 12:05 < bleu> my next question is about setting up more domains on the one site 12:05 < bleu> on the one linode 12:05 < bleu> so right now i have one domain pointing to it 12:05 < bleu> and thats all working 12:06 < bleu> so how would one set up more than one domain 12:06 < linbot> New news from wiki: Backups with s3sync || Multiple IPs 12:08 -!- irgeek [~irgeek@41.234.230.80] has joined #linode 12:08 < bleu> irgeek you back? 12:08 < irgeek> Yup. I'm home now. 12:09 < irgeek> You can also create DBs, tables and user from phpmysqladmin 12:09 < irgeek> It's a bit easier than the command line. 12:09 < bleu> ok 12:10 < bleu> right now im wondering how to set up more domains 12:10 < bleu> like i have 15 domains 12:10 < bleu> that i would like to set up 12:10 * irgeek ponders setting up a script to run on newly deployed Linode's to automate LAMP 12:10 -!- Internat [~nf@dsl-58-6-125-95.qld.westnet.com.au] has quit [] 12:11 < bleu> what a wonderfull idea 12:11 < bleu> that would be worth a fortune 12:11 < irgeek> The first thing you need to know about extra domains is that HTTPS is tricky. 12:12 < bleu> ok 12:12 < irgeek> In a nutshell, to work like the one you just set up, each domain requires a unique IP. 12:13 < irgeek> You can do different ports if you really need it, but some browsers complain. 12:13 < bleu> ok 12:13 < bleu> how do i set up more ips 12:14 < irgeek> So your URLs would be https://www.first_domain.com:4430/some/path then https://www.second_domain.com:4431/some/path 12:14 < irgeek> As for more IPs, you can add 1 to your Linode, but more requires justification. 12:14 < bleu> so i have like 15 domains 12:14 < irgeek> The number of IPs available is finite, so they are closely guarded now. 12:14 < bleu> right 12:15 < bleu> i only need the basic 12:15 < bleu> one should be fine 12:15 < irgeek> Does each domain really need it's own https? 12:15 < bleu> no 12:15 < bleu> none are big commercial 12:15 < bleu> all little sites 12:15 < bleu> ecxcept one that is scalling quickly 12:16 < bleu> they are application sites 12:16 < irgeek> For http, it's much easier. Run this: 'cat /etc/apache2/sites-available/default' 12:16 < bleu> so not simple sites 12:16 < bleu> hang on 12:16 < bleu> im in mysql 12:17 < bleu> mysql> 12:17 < bleu> this is my promt 12:17 < bleu> shall i cd 12:17 < irgeek> No. 12:17 < irgeek> type '\q' 12:17 < irgeek> That will quit mysql 12:17 < bleu> thanks 12:18 < bleu> one 12:18 < bleu> done 12:19 < irgeek> See at the top it has VirtualHost and ServerName and DocumentRoot? Those are the parts that tell Apache you will have multiple sites on one server. 12:20 < bleu> sec 12:20 < bleu> i look 12:20 < irgeek> Basically, you would create a file like that for each site referencing to a different directory. 12:21 < irgeek> How do you feel about being a guinea pig? 12:21 < bleu> np 12:21 < bleu> so 12:21 < bleu> this is the file that we got from your site 12:21 < bleu> one of them 12:21 < irgeek> If you want to play around with what we've created for a few days, I'll see if I can throw together some scripts to automate everything. 12:22 < bleu> yes 12:22 < bleu> sounds fine by me 12:22 < bleu> right now im just keen to learn what im doing 12:22 < irgeek> Did you allocate all of you disk space when you deployed Ubuntu? 12:23 < bleu> i put 256 in the second back up 12:23 < bleu> as recommedded 12:23 < getsmart> anyone has webgui deployed in a linode? 12:23 < getsmart> just want to know if is an heavy app 12:24 -!- esoterik [~esoterik@178.90.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has joined #linode 12:27 < bleu> irgeek Im going to have a 30 minute break, I will be back soon if ok with you. 12:27 < irgeek> No worries. 12:27 < bleu> I need to do some chaws 12:27 < bleu> cool 12:27 < bleu> see you in 30 mins 12:28 -!- bmat [~544df121@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:42 * irgeek love that everybody delivers in Egypt 12:43 * irgeek but can't type 12:45 -!- marcel [~marcel@wc-50.r-195-35-150.atwork.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:55 < bleu> back 12:57 < bleu> so mutipule domains 12:57 < bleu> any ideas 12:58 < irgeek> It's pretty easy, but I'm afraid I don't have time to help you with it right now. My parents just got home so I need to hang out with them. 12:58 < bleu> cool 12:58 < bleu> np 12:58 < bleu> maybe tomorrow 12:59 < irgeek> I'll message you on the forums when I have a script for you to play with. Hopefully in a couple of days. 12:59 < bleu> i will look for docs online 12:59 < bleu> wicked 12:59 < bleu> that sounds like a very very good idea 12:59 < bleu> i dont know why anyone has not done so already 12:59 < irgeek> In the mean time, just play around. There's nothing production on there yet, so don't worry about breaking things. 12:59 < bleu> many thanks for your aid today 13:00 < bleu> sure 13:00 < irgeek> No worries. 13:00 < bleu> i will try and work it out 13:00 < bleu> thanks again 13:00 < bleu> see you tomorrow 13:02 < irgeek> No worries. BTW, I don't need a bottle of scotch, but if you're inclined to reimburse me for the help, I'd appreciate if you donated to the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation: http://www.komen.org/ 13:03 < bleu> sure 20 euros on its way 13:04 < irgeek> :) 13:04 < irgeek> Thanks 13:08 < bleu> Thank you so much for your contribution of $25.00 to Susan G. Komen for the Cure. 13:21 -!- rolandx [~be08970e@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 13:32 -!- metaperl [~metaperl@cpe-75-187-102-204.insight.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:39 < linbot> New news from wiki: Backups with s3sync || Multiple IPs 13:45 -!- metaperl [~metaperl@cpe-75-187-102-204.insight.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 13:47 < caker> wiki look sane again (and content is still there, etc?) ? 13:49 < tierra> looks good 13:51 < linbot> New news from wiki: Backups with s3sync || Multiple IPs 14:06 -!- Tenkawa [~Tenkawa@smtp.lanras.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:06 -!- Tenkawa [~Tenkawa@smtp.lanras.com] has joined #linode 14:08 < bleu> i think i managed to set up another domain 14:10 * Rei-chan pulls hair out quietly. 14:10 < Rei-chan> ns2 is resolving to the old server, lovely joy. 14:10 < Rei-chan> So one client is like, "Why doesn't our email work?" 14:10 < Rei-chan> Amusingly enough, they were given exact instructions on how to check their email through our webmail that has nothing to do with their domain. 14:10 < Bdragon> Did you forget to bump the serial? 14:11 < Rei-chan> "bump the serial?" See, I hate DNS and I hate mystical ns servers that "don't really exist." 14:11 < Rei-chan> So that made no sense to me. 14:11 < Rei-chan> My zone record for the actual domain is a complicated ballet of "do stuff till it works." 14:12 < emag> "did you keep doing stuff, since it's not working?" :-) 14:13 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-230-64.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:13 * Rei-chan setup a records for ns1 and ns2. 14:13 < Rei-chan> That was 3 days ago. 14:13 < Rei-chan> ns1 points to the correct server. ns2? Of course not. 14:14 < Rei-chan> These people, of course, are computer illiterate and have ns2 in their DNS zone file. 14:14 < Rei-chan> Through NameSecure, who seems to update DNS entries about once a sanguin moon. 14:15 -!- cruxeternus [~425dace8@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 14:21 -!- JR22 [~406bd982@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 14:22 -!- JR22 [~406bd982@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:29 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:29 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has joined #linode 14:29 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@yttrium.canonical.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:31 -!- andrew_j_w [~andrew@88-97-29-168.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #linode 14:32 -!- TJF [~TJF@pat.foulston.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:34 < vatic> a newbie question: anyone using joe's editor or midnight commander with LISH? 14:35 < bleu> I have set up a second domain on my server 14:36 < bleu> but i have made an error in the set up process 14:36 < bleu> so the root dir is defaulting to the wrong folder 14:36 < bleu> http://pastebin.linode.com/186 14:36 < bleu> this is what is set up 14:37 < bleu> i wanted to set it up to have the main root as dir /var/www/fal/ 14:37 < bleu> but in the second part 14:38 < bleu> 14:38 < bleu> I think that is what is causing the problem 14:38 < bleu> that I should have added 14:38 < bleu> can anyone have a quick look and tell me if they have any idea 14:48 -!- irgeek [~irgeek@41.234.230.80] has quit [Quit: irgeek] 14:48 -!- bleu [~52fc145e@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:50 -!- Internat [~nf@dsl-58-6-125-95.qld.westnet.com.au] has joined #linode 14:50 -!- rolandx [~be08970e@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57 -!- CraigB [~CraigB@rrcs-208-125-44-18.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #linode 14:57 -!- CraigB [~CraigB@rrcs-208-125-44-18.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 14:58 -!- cruxeternus [~425dace8@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04 -!- scorche|w [~42c007b2@ice.cream.org] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Session timeout)] 15:20 -!- scorche|w [~42c007b2@ice.cream.org] has joined #linode 15:25 -!- FireSlash [~FireSlash@70-9-246-140.area4.spcsdns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:25 -!- Deckert [~Deckert@dsl-240-147-232.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #linode 15:43 -!- hfb [~hfb@pool-71-106-219-180.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:45 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s107.cinergycom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:56 -!- clanehin [~lane@cpe-069-134-066-130.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 15:58 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s55.cinergycom.net] has joined #linode 16:02 -!- christz [~christoph@193.170.134.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03 -!- dc0e [~dc0e@c-69-243-116-60.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:04 -!- christz [~christoph@193.170.134.161] has joined #linode 16:07 -!- FJHDZ [~406bd982@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 16:08 < FJHDZ> hello 16:08 < anderiv> good afternoon 16:08 < FJHDZ> I'm a newbie help 16:08 < FJHDZ> can you point me to some resources to get info on setting up my linode 16:09 < anderiv> FJHDZ: there's all sorts of good info on wiki.linode.com 16:09 < FJHDZ> I've looked at it, I'm a little confused still 16:09 < anderiv> FJHDZ: what are you confused about? 16:10 < FJHDZ> is there like the 123 steps to having you site up and running 16:10 < FJHDZ> initial setup 16:10 < FJHDZ> I'm transfering a site from aplus.net 16:11 < anderiv> did you have a VPS plan with them? 16:11 < FJHDZ> no 16:11 < FJHDZ> their cheapest is 49 16:11 < anderiv> just a hosting plan? 16:11 < FJHDZ> yes 16:12 < anderiv> well getting your linode set up is going to be a bit more complicated than what you were doing with aplus. 16:12 < FJHDZ> I know 16:12 < FJHDZ> but I think its well worth the effort 16:12 -!- paulcager_ is now known as paulcager 16:12 < anderiv> linode is a completely unmanaged service - meaning that they give you the means to get your server running and then it's up to you to install your webserver/email/etc. 16:12 < tpope> FJHDZ: first step is the distro wizard 16:13 < FJHDZ> I'm there 16:13 < anderiv> did you deploy a distro yet? 16:13 < FJHDZ> not yet 16:13 < anderiv> are you familiar with any of the options? 16:13 < FJHDZ> I want to go with Arch Linux 16:13 < FJHDZ> is a good choice 16:14 < anderiv> FJHDZ: have you used it before? 16:14 < FJHDZ> no 16:14 < anderiv> FJHDZ: how versed are you in linux administration? 16:14 < FJHDZ> very limited or none at all 16:14 < anderiv> The reason I ask is that ubuntu tends to be the most user-friendly of the current distros out there. 16:14 < FJHDZ> ok that's good to know 16:14 < anderiv> ...and there's a *huge* community of users/support to help you out. 16:15 -!- christz [~christoph@193.170.134.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15 < FJHDZ> What about Image zise 16:15 < tpope> although ubuntu loses most of its edge in a server env 16:16 * anderiv disagrees. 16:16 < anderiv> ...especially for a new admin. It's the only way to go IMHO. 16:16 < tpope> I am not against ubuntu 16:17 < tpope> but how is it more user friendly than, say, debian, on a server 16:17 < tpope> of course that sets the bar a lot higher than archlinux 16:17 < anderiv> standing alone, yes, the OS does lose some edge over the Desktop version. The support/community behind ubuntu is really what makes it the good option. 16:18 < FJHDZ> my worry is that the site will not work depending on the choices I make now 16:19 < anderiv> FJHDZ: unless you're going to want to duplicate your disk image periodically, I'd recommend using all of your alloted space. 16:19 < anderiv> FJHDZ: don't worry...nothing you do now is permanent. 16:20 < FJHDZ> If I'm planning on hosting more than 5 sites should I use all the alloted space 16:20 < tpope> you should use all the alloted space unless you know of a reason not to 16:20 * anderiv agrees. 16:21 < anderiv> FJHDZ: if you need to, for whatever reason, you can resize your disk image at a later point to make room for a new partition/image. 16:23 < FJHDZ> abuntu 7.10 or abuntu 7.04 or 6.06 16:24 < anderiv> FJHDZ: 7.10 16:24 < anderiv> ...again, unless you have a reason to pick an older version. 16:25 < FJHDZ> ok 16:26 < FJHDZ> went with abuntu 7.10 , 9960 image 16:26 < FJHDZ> booted profile 16:26 < FJHDZ> got a running linode 16:27 < anderiv> FJHDZ: congrats :-) 16:27 < FJHDZ> now comes the fun/hard part 16:28 < anderiv> be sure to run an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade first thing... 16:28 < anderiv> that'll get you all updated to the latest versions... 16:28 < FJHDZ> where do I run them from or how 16:29 < anderiv> oh... 16:29 < zeroday> run it from ssh 16:29 < anderiv> yes 16:29 < anderiv> I was getting ahead of myself :-) 16:30 < anderiv> FJHDZ: are you familiar with ssh? 16:30 < FJHDZ> no 16:30 < anderiv> you running windows? 16:30 < FJHDZ> yes 16:31 < anderiv> google "PuTTY" and download it. 16:31 < anderiv> it's a great free ssh client. 16:31 < anderiv> run it, type in the IP or hostname of your linode and connect. 16:31 < anderiv> then log in with user: root and the password you specfied in the distro wizard. 16:32 < anderiv> that'll get you to the command line - get comfortable here...it'll be your main means of administrating your linode. 16:32 < anderiv> ...then you can run the commands I gave you earlier. 16:34 < FJHDZ> ok 16:35 < anderiv> ...stepping away for a few minutes... 16:35 < FJHDZ> ok 16:37 < zeroday> FJHDZ, you should also add a new non root user and disable root ssh login. If you have trouble doing that, ask here :) 16:38 -!- Antitribu [~simon@li9-122.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 16:38 -!- Antitribu [~simon@li9-122.members.linode.com] has left #linode [] 16:39 -!- dc0e [~dc0e@c-69-243-116-60.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #linode 16:42 < FJHDZ> I'm having trouble login in with ip 16:42 < FJHDZ> I was able to login with host 16:46 < zeroday> check the remote page in the dashboard, it should hve your ip there 16:46 < zeroday> is the linode up and running? 16:47 < FJHDZ> yes 16:48 < zeroday> what error does putty give? 16:48 < FJHDZ> the one next to eth0 is the one I need to use 16:49 < FJHDZ> I'm able to login but it kicks me out 16:49 < FJHDZ> I logged in using info on the members login page 16:49 -!- linville [~linville@wireless-nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:50 < FJHDZ> using host.fremont.linode.com 16:50 < zeroday> FJHDZ, for the root password, you use the one you specified during the distro install setup 16:50 < anderiv> FJHDZ: ...that's the *host*, not your linode. 16:51 < FJHDZ> ok 16:51 < zeroday> so ssh into the ip next to eth0, enter root as the user name, enter the password you made during distro installation 16:51 < anderiv> one thought...is openssh-server installed by default in this ubuntu image? 16:51 < FJHDZ> ok 16:51 < zeroday> must be anderiv 16:51 < zeroday> ssh relies on it I think 16:52 < anderiv> FJHDZ: could you try logging in through LISH? 16:52 < FJHDZ> ok I'm in 16:52 < zeroday> yay :) 16:52 < anderiv> nice work 16:52 < anderiv> FJHDZ: what was the problem? 16:52 < zeroday> now add a non root user, useradd username 16:52 < FJHDZ> what a difference a little info makes 16:52 < zeroday> then passwd username 16:55 < FJHDZ> I ran the apt-get update 16:55 < anderiv> then run apt-get upgrade 16:55 < anderiv> update just updates the package database. 16:56 < anderiv> upgrade actually downloads and installs the package updates. 16:57 < FJHDZ> ok updated and upgraded 16:58 < anderiv> FJHDZ: now you should probably reboot - as there were probably a few services that got upgraded. Or you can just restart them manually. 16:58 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s55.cinergycom.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:59 < FJHDZ> the problem was I was login in with my linode user name 16:59 < anderiv> FJHDZ: ahh - yah, that username will only be used when logging into LPM (linode.com) or LISH (your host). 17:00 < FJHDZ> If I had the page up and running would it be better to reboot or start them manually 17:00 -!- christz [~christoph@193.170.134.161] has joined #linode 17:00 < anderiv> ahh - just reboot...you don't have anything running on this in production yet, so a few minutes of downtime isn't a big deal. 17:01 < anderiv> in the future if you update specific services, you can just restart them manually by running `/etc/init.d/ restart`. 17:01 < FJHDZ> ok 17:01 < Battousai> !rr 17:01 < linbot> Battousai: *click* 17:02 < FJHDZ> what do I do next 17:02 < anderiv> FJHDZ: well - what do you want to do with your server? 17:02 < zeroday> did you add a non root user? 17:02 < zeroday> you should do that and disable root ssh login for security 17:02 < anderiv> *nods 17:02 < FJHDZ> no 17:03 < FJHDZ> ok let me start puTTY 17:04 < anderiv> after doing that, you'll want to find a few tutorials regarding how to set up apache2 in ubuntu. 17:04 < anderiv> I assume you just want to host website(s)? 17:04 < anderiv> Will you need a database backend e.g. mysql, postgresql, etc.? 17:05 < FJHDZ> yes just websites 17:05 < FJHDZ> I'll need MySQL and PHP 4 17:05 < anderiv> php4?? 17:05 < anderiv> not 5? 17:06 < FJHDZ> yes 4 17:06 < zeroday> why not php5 17:06 < FJHDZ> don't know if the stuff I have will work on 5 17:06 < scorche|w> you should make it work with php5 then.. 17:07 * anderiv agrees. 17:07 < iggy> I'm not sure how easy it is to install php4 in ubuntu 17:07 < FJHDZ> I'll try 17:07 < anderiv> unless you're doing some pretty obscure stuff, there's a very good chance it'll run on 5 17:07 < FJHDZ> if I need to use 5 then 5 it is 17:07 < scorche|w> and dont just use 5 and turn registerglobals back on... 17:07 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@c-76-108-49-255.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #linode 17:07 < anderiv> do you use a CMS or is it custom php code? 17:07 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@c-76-108-49-255.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #linode [] 17:08 -!- avongauss [~AVonGauss@c-76-108-49-255.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #linode 17:08 < FJHDZ> no CMS 17:08 < FJHDZ> use gallery2 but I think it works on PHP5 17:08 < anderiv> oh yah...for sure. 17:09 < FJHDZ> How do I add a non root user and disable root ssh login 17:09 < anderiv> `adduser ` 17:09 < zeroday> useradd new_username 17:10 < zeroday> then passwd new_username and enter a new password at the prompt 17:10 < iggy> someone should really wiki that stuff up and just keep the url handy 17:10 < zeroday> make sure you make a strong password 17:10 < FJHDZ> I agree iggy 17:11 < FJHDZ> I couldn't find this stuff anywhere 17:11 < iggy> I only say that because it's been brought up in here at least 3 times in the last few days 17:11 < anderiv> FJHDZ: it's all available w/ a quick google. I'm not sure what utility there would be in duplicating that information *again*. 17:12 < iggy> having a quick linode url handy to give to people instead of saying "google it" 17:12 < anderiv> iggy: I suppose. 17:12 < FJHDZ> this user name can be the same as the login or a variation of it 17:12 < zeroday> make it completly different 17:12 < iggy> because 9 times out of 10 if they are asking a question like that in here, they likely don't know what vocabulary to use in google either 17:12 < zeroday> you dont want hackers to have an easy ride 17:13 < FJHDZ> that is true iggy 17:13 < Tenkawa> evening all 17:13 < anderiv> Tenkawa: greetz. 17:13 < Tenkawa> whats new all 17:14 < FJHDZ> ok got the user and pass in 17:14 < FJHDZ> how do I remove root 17:14 < iggy> you don't 17:14 -!- esoterik [~esoterik@178.90.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15 < iggy> you just tell ssh not to allow her to login 17:15 < anderiv> !weather 55401 17:15 < linbot> anderiv: Temperature: 2.6°F / -16.3°C | Humidity: -999% | Pressure: 30.22in / 1023.2hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 10.0mph / 16.1km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Lows 15 below to 20 below zero. West winds 5 to 10 mph. Wind chill readings 25 below to 35 below zero.; Thursday - Sunny. Highs around 10 above. South winds 10 mph.; Thursday Night - Not as cold. Mostly clear. Lows zero to 5 above zero. (1 more message) 17:15 < zeroday> FJHDZ, now logout and login with the new username 17:15 < anderiv> heh... Humidity: -999%. It's *really* dry here. 17:16 < iggy> FJHDZ: make sure the new user is a sudoer 17:16 < zeroday> su - is better then sudo imo 17:17 < scorche|w> ugh...that argument can get worse than vi vs emacs... 17:17 < anderiv> hehe 17:17 < FJHDZ> what's a sudoer 17:17 < FJHDZ> sudoname 17:17 < iggy> someone who is allowed to use sudo 17:17 < zeroday> someone who can root stuff without having to login as root 17:17 < FJHDZ> ok 17:17 < zeroday> * can do 17:18 < iggy> same difference 17:18 < FJHDZ> ok what's next 17:18 < anderiv> well - good luck. I'm out for the evening. 17:18 < zeroday> FJHDZ, disable ssh root login 17:19 < FJHDZ> ok how 17:19 < FJHDZ> thank you anderiv 17:19 < zeroday> nano -w /etc/ssh/sshd_config 17:19 < zeroday> ctrl+w, search for permitroot 17:20 < zeroday> change it to no, then /etc/init.d/sshd restart 17:20 < zeroday> ctrl+x to save the file 17:20 < zeroday> do that before restart 17:20 < lucca> there are legitimate reasons to allow root ssh login 17:21 < zeroday> indeed, but unless FJHDZ needs it on, there is no need 17:21 < warewolf> lucca: spoken like a true experienced sysadmin. 17:22 < FJHDZ> can execute the commands 17:23 < lucca> warewolf: heh 17:23 < FJHDZ> do I type in everything 'nano -w /etc/ssh/sshd_config 17:23 < FJHDZ> ' 17:23 < zeroday> yeah 17:23 < zeroday> without quotes 17:23 < FJHDZ> yeah 17:23 < iggy> actually, I have a box that I don't even know the root password for 17:23 < tpope> that's like saying "there are legitimate reasons to cut off your foot" 17:23 < iggy> I just hope ssh never breaks 17:24 < lucca> tpope: ...there Are, but that's another story 17:24 < iggy> sure, I could just reset the password 17:24 < iggy> but this way seems more fun 17:24 < tpope> while technically true it has little to do with your average person in an average situation 17:24 < lucca> if you want greater ssh security, disable passwords and require ssh keys 17:24 < lucca> and maybe put ssh on a different port, behind a portknocking tool or shimmerd 17:25 < zeroday> ssh on non standard port ftw 17:26 < iggy> turn off ssh and require physical access 17:26 < iggy> with a retinal scanner, thumbprint scanner, and breathalyzer 17:26 < FJHDZ> guys don't forget about me 17:27 < FJHDZ> still does not work 17:27 < zeroday> what part doesnt work? 17:27 < lucca> have you read the manpage for the file you are editing? 17:27 < FJHDZ> should I do this loged in as root 17:28 < lucca> consulting of this sort often runs $200/hr 17:29 < FJHDZ> I understand 17:30 < FJHDZ> I'm asking for help lucca if you can't give it its ok 17:30 < FJHDZ> don't even know what manpage is 17:31 < lucca> not trying to be mean, just got to make a living first. 17:31 < lucca> manpages are the internal documentation of a unix system 17:31 < FJHDZ> ok 17:31 < lucca> if you have never seen one... you really shouldn't be trying to run your own system 17:32 < lucca> it's like loaning someone a car who doesn't know how to drive stick. They might be able to pick it up, but it isn't fun for anyone involved. 17:32 < avongauss> then again, how do you learn if you don't try and don't ask questions? ;) 17:32 < iggy> read manpages? 17:32 < FJHDZ> I rather try then having aplus and the likes running the systems for me 17:33 < avongauss> I'm more of google man myself, but manpages are good... :) 17:33 < iggy> well, an a plus probably knows less about linux than my dog, so that's not saying much 17:33 < lucca> first thing you need to learn is how to find out information for yourself 17:33 < FJHDZ> ok 17:33 < lucca> google is a good start. 17:33 < lucca> as trite as it sounds 17:33 < FJHDZ> that is very good advice 17:34 < iggy> if you're just getting started, I'd save things like disabling root logins till later 17:34 < FJHDZ> sounds good 17:34 < lucca> look for linux tutorials and the like; they'll show you enough that you can start asking the system for more help 17:34 < lucca> unix admins are notoriously surly, heh heh 17:35 < FJHDZ> I can see that 17:35 < anderiv> FJHDZ: just be sure to use ubuntu's package management when installing packages unless you like to experience lots of pain. 17:37 < FJHDZ> I'm trying to free my self from the slavery of microsoft and you that are free look at me with spite 17:38 < anderiv> alright...have a good evening all. I'm out. 17:38 < FJHDZ> well not everyone 17:39 < FJHDZ> thank you all for your help I'll try and digest what I've learned, look up some of the info and come back tomorrow 17:40 -!- christz [~christoph@193.170.134.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42 -!- FJHDZ [~406bd982@webuser.linode.com] has left #linode [] 17:43 < zeroday> how do you scroll up in irssi? 17:44 -!- andrew_j_w [~andrew@88-97-29-168.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:49 < mwalling_> page up? 17:53 < zeroday> thanks 17:59 -!- vatic [~vatic@ool-45740b1c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: vatic] 18:07 -!- jimd [~Moonburne@linuversity.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:14 -!- mwalling1 [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has joined #linode 18:14 -!- cruxeternus [~44f5ddcd@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 18:20 -!- metaperl_ [~metaperl@cpe-75-187-102-204.insight.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 18:20 -!- mwalling [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22 -!- metaperl [~metaperl@cpe-75-187-102-204.insight.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:44 -!- esoterik [~esoterik@178.90.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has joined #linode 18:53 -!- Deckert_ [~Deckert@dsl-240-147-232.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #linode 18:53 -!- Deckert [~Deckert@dsl-240-147-232.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:55 -!- Deckert_ is now known as Deckert 18:57 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 19:02 -!- scorche|w [~42c007b2@ice.cream.org] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC] 19:05 -!- cruxeternus [~44f5ddcd@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07 < A-KO> hmm 19:08 < A-KO> Are there any sort of open source video galleries? 19:08 -!- tolecnal [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08 < mwalling_> gallery2 does something like that, doesn't ti? 19:08 * mwalling_ knows that there is a ffmpeg dep for something 19:15 -!- tolecnal [tolecnal@xiro.net] has joined #linode 19:15 -!- fjhdz [~406bd982@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 19:19 -!- paulcager is now known as paulcager_ 19:25 -!- fjhdz [~406bd982@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32 -!- vatic [~vatic@ool-45740b1c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #linode 19:50 -!- vatic [~vatic@ool-45740b1c.dyn.optonline.net] has left #linode [] 19:53 -!- fake [~fake@rrcs-72-43-24-86.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #linode 20:01 -!- Deckert [~Deckert@dsl-240-147-232.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:01 -!- Deckert [~Deckert@dsl-240-147-232.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #linode 20:11 -!- jamie_ [~jamie@rivendell.silverdream.org] has joined #linode 20:19 -!- IgorSobreira [~igor@189.71.2.231] has joined #linode 20:29 -!- cruxeternus [~44f5ddcd@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 20:35 < fake> aw i'm dumping my 328 day uptime to move to xen 20:35 < fake> i hope it's worth it 20:37 < fake> the xen beta boxes have the same contention ratios right? 20:38 < tpope> they mix data plans so probably not 20:39 < fake> :( 20:39 < fake> what do you mean by mix data plans 20:39 < mikegrb> yes 20:39 < mikegrb> contention ratio is effectively the same 20:39 < fake> cool 20:40 < fake> migration in progress 20:45 -!- atourino [~antonio@201.218.81.244] has joined #linode 20:46 < atourino> hello all 20:48 < fake> hi 20:55 < cruxeternus> Wow, from signup to ready-to-go in minutes. 20:56 < cruxeternus> Excellent product and service so far. :) 20:56 < A-KO> yeah linode's pretty nice. 20:56 < A-KO> caker and them are rather helpful as well 20:56 < atourino> yeah 20:56 < A-KO> they generally get my recommendation 20:56 < atourino> i was about to say the same thing 20:56 < atourino> setup was a breeze! 20:58 < cruxeternus> Now... can I start on Xen, or do I have to do a UML config first? 21:00 < cruxeternus> Ah, nevermind. Found the link I needed. 21:01 < cruxeternus> Hah, hopefully that's a simple migration.. I don't have anything setup yet. :D 21:11 -!- mwalling1 [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12 < atourino> so normally the channel is pretty quiet? 21:13 < cruxeternus> A quiet support channel is a good support channel. :) 21:13 < caker> it has its moments 21:13 < schmichael> !rr 21:13 < linbot> schmichael: *click* 21:13 < schmichael> *phew* 21:15 -!- mwalling [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has joined #linode 21:15 < atourino> cool 21:15 < atourino> :) 21:15 < atourino> just wondering because there's lots of people online 21:16 < atourino> which surprised me 21:16 < atourino> :) 21:16 < tpope> irc is like that 21:16 < tpope> 100 people that are in 10 other channels 21:16 < tpope> plus trying to get real work done 21:18 < opello> real work is for ... oh crap, deadline looming! 21:21 < Pryon> Some us hang out to absorb knowledge and make the occasional wisecrack 21:22 < tpope> so that's what opello was doing! 21:22 < opello> hey, i help out once in a while :p 21:29 < ajmitch_> some of us just visit as a distraction from work 21:29 < guinea-pig> linbot: rr 21:29 < linbot> guinea-pig: *click* 21:29 < guinea-pig> some of us just work as a distraction from visiting 21:31 < Internat> wow. theres only 100 people in here.. thers normally a lot more.. i think 21:33 < guinea-pig> "only" 21:35 < atourino> wow 21:35 < atourino> well 21:35 < atourino> hopefully i will learn something and contribute if i can 21:35 < atourino> :) 21:35 < fake> yay running on xen 21:36 < fake> haha i had such a backlog of ram updates 21:36 < Internat> im thinking my next box im going to aim for xen 21:40 < guinea-pig> xen ftw 21:41 < Internat> im not quite ready to move my production box to it, but i think my next semi testing/prod box will be xen 21:41 -!- Hobbsee [~hobbsee@CPE-124-188-230-36.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #linode 21:41 < Internat> which unforutnatly for me, means i have to try and get my home vm server to run xen images as well 21:41 < Internat> can uml and xen run on the same box? 21:45 < caker> Internat: yes 21:47 < ajmitch_> hello Hobbsee 21:48 * Hobbsee waves 21:48 < fake> what percentage of linode is now running on uml 21:48 < caker> fake: all but 6 hosts 21:48 -!- KoZi [~KoZi@c-67-174-177-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #linode 21:48 -!- KoZi [~KoZi@c-67-174-177-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [] 21:49 < fake> ah so i was a holdout for a while i guess 21:49 < caker> did you mean "not running on UML" ? 21:49 < caker> 6 hosts are Xen, the rest are UML 21:50 * mikegrb is in #linode as a districation from work 21:50 * mikegrb sees caker 21:50 * mikegrb runs away 21:50 < fake> oops 21:51 < fake> yeah 21:51 < Internat> excellent.. now i just have to work out what i need to do to make it work :D 21:51 < fake> i meant to ask the reverse 21:51 < fake> so nevermind then 21:51 < Internat> do u provide xen kernels on ur webpage much like the uml ones caker? 21:51 < caker> Internat: not yet, no 21:51 < fake> so do you still have a dedicated xen box for only 1440's? 21:52 < caker> fake: for the beta, no -- they're mixed. But, I am setting cpu weights according to plan type 21:52 < fake> ok 21:53 < mwalling> caker: when 21:53 < mwalling> bah 21:53 < mwalling> lemme retype 21:53 < guinea-pig> cpu weights? 21:53 * mwalling curses the 1/4" wide ' key on this kbd 21:53 < guinea-pig> you can prioritise a xen instance over another? 21:53 < caker> yes 21:53 < mwalling> caker: when are you turning up the new 540 host in dallas? 21:54 < fake> when will xen drop the beta status 21:54 < atourino> Hmmmm... 1440... :D 21:54 < caker> mwalling: they shipped out this morning -- probably get there Monday, installed Tuesday -- as long as TP finishes the cage buildout by then (their target is Friday) 21:54 * mwalling grins 21:55 < mwalling> perfect... enough time for me to get pam_ldap working in my linodeesque qemu instance 21:55 < caker> fake: the earliest would be March, depending on how things go 21:55 * atourino salivates for a 1440 21:56 < fake> cool, just curious 21:56 < mwalling> mikegrb: caker tells me you were praising slackware's package management tools :P 21:56 < mwalling> 21:56 < mikegrb> mwalling: you mean tar? 21:56 * mikegrb runs 21:56 * mwalling chases after mikegrb with a wooden spoon 21:57 < Internat> lol 21:57 < mikegrb> lolz 21:57 < mwalling> its a /feature/ 21:57 < mwalling> heidi: smack mikegrb when you are able? 21:58 < guinea-pig> mwalling: i'm sure she does, *all* the time 21:58 < caker> mikegrb: mwalling asked why some kernel module package was on our slack template -- and also to include some magic package manager next time around 21:58 -!- KoZi [~KoZi@c-67-174-177-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #linode 21:58 < mikegrb> caker: k will include ubuntu in the slackware image next time 21:58 < Internat> hahahaha 21:58 < tpope> everybody wins 21:59 < mikegrb> mwalling: she hates slackware too :p 21:59 < mwalling> mikegrb: kernel-modules-smp is extranious... you're not running a smp kernel, and slackpkg from extra/ is nice to have 21:59 < mikegrb> ok 21:59 -!- KoZi [~KoZi@c-67-174-177-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [] 21:59 -!- metaperl_ [~metaperl@cpe-75-187-102-204.insight.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00 < mikegrb> http://www.robtex.com/as/as9260.html <-- nice AS Orginization 22:01 < fake> hah 22:01 < fake> gotta advertise 22:02 < mikegrb> but it doesn't tell me who they are, where to go 22:02 -!- metaperl [~metaperl@cpe-75-187-102-204.insight.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 22:02 < mikegrb> http://spam.thegrebs.com/reports/spam_by_provider.pl?start=400 <-- /me just named them 'Asshats' they are currently number 444 22:04 < fake> hah 22:04 < fo0bar> http://www.robtex.com/as/as26220.html <-- aww, my old company is no longer listed 22:05 < fo0bar> http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=AS26220 <-- apparently they get reissued 22:06 < fo0bar> as that's not the company name 22:07 < mwalling> ha 22:07 < mwalling> road runner is #4 22:07 < mwalling> mikegrb: what are you seeding that with? your own inbox spam or a honeypot? 22:07 < mikegrb> inbox 22:07 < mikegrb> just since friday 22:08 < mikegrb> er saturday 22:08 < mikegrb> just started doing it again 22:08 < mikegrb> had a mix of honeypots as well will probably re-add them 22:09 < mikegrb> http://tinyurl.com/gtlw6 22:09 < linbot> New news from forums: For Sale: Retired Linode Host Servers in Linode.com Announcements 22:09 -!- NoBendy [~no@c-67-161-152-232.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #linode 22:10 < NoBendy> Good evening|whatever, all. :-) 22:10 < mwalling> please tell me thats a thread bump? 22:10 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s166.cinergycom.net] has joined #linode 22:11 < A-KO> I think so 22:11 < A-KO> lol 22:11 < mikegrb> lolz 22:11 < caker> EVERYTHING MUST GO 22:11 < NoBendy> Is intra-network traffic between Linodes (say, between Fremont and Dallas) counted towards the customer's limit? 22:11 < A-KO> I would believe so NoBendy 22:12 < tpope> I'm pretty sure it's not 22:12 < caker> NoBendy: yes -- but not cloning from one Linode to another, or other things initiated from the Linode Manager 22:12 < tpope> 0 for 2 tonight 22:12 < tpope> well I get half credit on that 22:12 < NoBendy> I thought I read a forum article (which I can't find now) about how that may be excluded - someday - from the "counted traffic". 22:12 < mikegrb> tpope: better luck next time 22:12 * mikegrb heads to bed 22:12 < A-KO> caker: PHPBB3 > PHPBB2 22:13 < A-KO> lol 22:13 < mikegrb> lolz 22:13 < caker> NoBendy: only inter-dc traffic .. and we're working on it (via support for private IP ranges / backend networks) 22:13 < NoBendy> I'm asking as I'm curious about having MySQL servers in different data centers replicating to one another. 22:13 < caker> A-KO: oh yeah? 22:13 < A-KO> caker: I popped phpbb3 on my linode and am using it now. It went gold on Dec 13. 22:13 < A-KO> So far it's pretty nice 22:13 < A-KO> FAR more configurable than 2 22:13 < caker> I think we have inter and intra backwards, but you get the point :) 22:13 < NoBendy> caker: So, that would do what I want. Any ETA, by chance? 22:14 < caker> NoBendy: soon (within a few weeks?) Those would be non-routable IPs, btw -- so they'd only work between linodes within the same datacenter 22:14 < A-KO> caker: The permissions can be a little tricky though but in the end when you get the hang of it it's crazy. 22:14 < NoBendy> Oh, so not BETWEEN datacenters? 22:14 < mikegrb> oh befor I had to bed 22:14 < caker> no -- if it goes out onto the intertubes, we're paying for bandwidth 22:15 < NoBendy> Hmm. 22:15 < NoBendy> Not that it's a big deal, really. I'm sure that, if I'm generating that much traffic, I'm making money, so it's not an issue. :-) 22:15 < NoBendy> But, still... 22:15 < NoBendy> Can I keep going with my train of thought? 22:15 < caker> Sure 22:16 < mwalling> NoBendy: now, i'm sure we would all love it if you rented a backhoe and trenched a fiber run between TX and CA for us :) 22:16 < mikegrb> mwalling: http://p.linode.com/188 just for you... point line 13 at a dir full of messages, adjust line 24 to match your mail servers received line and off you go 22:16 < NoBendy> If you have a provider - say, Level 3 - at all 3 datacenters, if it's on-net with regards to L3, do they charge you for that bandwidth? AKA, it never leaves the L3 network. 22:16 < NoBendy> mwalling: Lemme get my shovel... 22:17 < caker> NoBendy: in my experience, yes -- that's what consumers of their service are paying them for 22:17 < NoBendy> Or is it charged to you as "if it leaves your router and hits our network, we charge you money" 22:17 < caker> same thing, no? 22:17 < NoBendy> Yeah, it is. 22:18 < mwalling> mikegrb: cool... thanks 22:18 < mwalling> mikegrb: oh, and slackware > * 22:18 < NoBendy> I've worked in small ISPs/colo providers, so I'm new to the higher level of things (pun intended; I'm currently working at Level 3 :-P ) 22:18 < caker> hell, providers charge us for traffic between subnets <-- dunno if that's just a bitcounting issue or what, but they all do it :) 22:19 < NoBendy> Yeah, well, I guess they think they need to make money, too. :-P 22:19 < caker> iprange1@tp <--> iprange2@tp == we get charged 22:19 < NoBendy> OK. Two more questions, if you'll bear with me. :-) 22:19 < NoBendy> Weird. 22:19 -!- FireSlash [~FireSlash@70-9-246-140.area4.spcsdns.net] has joined #linode 22:20 < avongauss> even if it is in the same cage? 22:20 < caker> yup 22:20 < caker> if their router sees it, it gets counted towards our usage 22:20 < avongauss> ouch... 22:20 < NoBendy> So, I'm developing "the next great Web 2.0 app"(c). A simple ping from my location (near Denver) shows: 29ms to Dallas, 55ms to Fremont, and over 70ms to Atlanta. 22:21 < caker> awesome :) 22:21 -!- KoZi [~KoZi@c-67-174-177-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #linode 22:21 < NoBendy> I expected that. So, would it be worth my while to get 3 Linodes, all hosting the app, 1 in each dc, databases replicating, and redirect the user to the server with the lowest ping time? 22:21 < NoBendy> AKA "Is 50ms really worth it?" 22:21 < caker> lemme ask you a few things first ... 22:21 < NoBendy> I sure don't want someone to say, "Gee, your app is slow." if they're in California and it's hosted in GA. 22:21 < NoBendy> k 22:22 < A-KO> Is there even a such thing as multi-master mirrored replication between databases in mysql? 22:22 < tpope> NoBendy: 70ms fora web app is nothing 22:22 < caker> You're going to deploy the entire application, cloned/mirrored/replicated/rsynced/whatever, to each DC? 22:22 < NoBendy> (And, FYI: I'm a sysadmin/web geek/network admin with years of experience.) 22:23 < NoBendy> caker: Yes 22:23 < tpope> it's slightly perceptible over ssh 22:23 < NoBendy> A-KO: No, but you can do circular replication (A->B->C->A) 22:23 < A-KO> That's difficult to keep up with from my understanding... 22:23 < caker> NoBendy: ok, that's good -- and you're aware of the "limitations/pain of doing certain things" of mysql replication, right? 22:23 < A-KO> NoBendy: so what if a user makes a change to B? 22:23 -!- clara30 [~clara30@ANantes-257-1-127-113.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #linode 22:23 < A-KO> lol caker 22:23 < mikegrb> lolz 22:23 < A-KO> that's exactly what I was looking at earlier 22:23 < NoBendy> A-KO: If I had 2 dozen servers, yeah, but 3...not so much 22:23 < A-KO> mysql replication is a real pain-in-the-ass 22:24 < NoBendy> caker: Yes. I've dealt in grueling detail with MySQL replication. 22:24 < NoBendy> Agreed. But it works...most of the time. 22:24 < NoBendy> :-P 22:24 < caker> ok, I won't bother going into that detail then.. 22:24 < A-KO> lol 22:24 < mikegrb> lolz 22:24 < NoBendy> (Add "MySQL DBA" to my above credentials) 22:24 < caker> so, how are you going to determine where to send people? 22:24 < NoBendy> But I've never done it across multiple datacenters 22:24 < A-KO> lol caker 22:24 < mikegrb> lolz 22:24 < NoBendy> It's a Rails app 22:25 < caker> like, on first request, ping their $REMOTE_ADDR from each of the three mirrored locations, and sticky them to that one? 22:25 < NoBendy> Some code. User connects to Dallas using www.domain.com, Rails gets their IP. Dallas pings them. Dallas tells Fremont and Atlanta to ping them. Simple compare, then redirect to lowest number. 22:25 -!- clara30 [~clara30@ANantes-257-1-127-113.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 22:25 < caker> sounds good to me, in theory :) 22:26 < A-KO> that seems like that would add more waiting time than just shoving them on one of the nodes 22:26 < fake> that's not going to scale 22:26 < NoBendy> They have an initial "hiccup" of about a second-ish, then they're on the "fastest server relative to them" 22:26 < A-KO> especially if there's a router problem 22:26 < tpope> lots of those consumer routers like to filter ping 22:26 < NoBendy> fake: Close enough for now. :-) 22:26 < A-KO> lol tpope 22:26 < mikegrb> lolz 22:26 < A-KO> good point 22:26 < NoBendy> A-KO: That's what DNS magic is for. :-P 22:26 < caker> "Please wait while we optimize your dealio" .. then: bam 22:27 < NoBendy> caker: Yep 22:27 < fake> like king's method? 22:27 < A-KO> He's basically trying to do clustering/load-balancing over extended lengths 22:27 < A-KO> sounds good in theory 22:27 < A-KO> but I don't think in practice it will work well 22:27 < NoBendy> So, YES, Dallas is a "bottleneck". But, if DNS is setup correctly, failover to secondary and tertiary DNS can work. 22:27 < NoBendy> At that point, I don't care about ping times, as a server is down. 22:27 < fake> nevermind i misinterpreted your dns magic 22:27 < tpope> NoBendy: as a rails dev, i trust you'e heard spiels against premature optimization 22:28 < NoBendy> I don't aim for 100% perfection; I aim for 90%. Much more reachable. :-) 22:28 < fake> there is a cool technique to measure RTT to arbitrary endpoints using dns 22:28 < A-KO> NoBendy: if caker guaranteed only 90% uptime on linodes I think they'd be in for some shit :D 22:28 < NoBendy> tpope: Yep. And I'll deploy to one server, in Dallas. 22:28 < NoBendy> A-KO: Indeed. :-P 22:29 < NoBendy> But my app will be 100% available, barring nuclear war which destroys all 3 datacenters at once. :-P 22:29 < caker> 90% perfection in routing them to the closest mirror, I think he means 22:29 < tpope> so this is more a "what are my options if it turns out to be an issue?" thing? 22:29 < NoBendy> caker: Correct. 22:29 < fake> what does your app do? ;p 22:29 < NoBendy> I'm just getting ideas for now. 22:29 < NoBendy> Heck, I'd rather run a pipe to an office, have my own hardware, and do it from scratch. But I'm a geek like that. :-P 22:29 < NoBendy> Linode seems to be a perfect solution for me, for now. 22:30 < NoBendy> And, if I can replicate/load balance/route-to-fastest with them, awesome. 22:30 < NoBendy> If not, no biggie; I deploy to Dallas only. 22:30 < NoBendy> But with a Rails Web2.0-style app, there's a lot of TCP/IP traffic, what with AJAX and all going on, so I want the lowest ping I can get. 22:31 < NoBendy> This would be a business-critical app for my customers; if it's unusable, they go elsewhere. 22:31 < caker> NoBendy: for "within the same datacenter" stuff, we do have IP failover support -- and with the forthcoming private IP stuff (or even without it) could set up two fail-over loadbalancers, and a bunch of backend Linodes 22:31 < caker> all on different host hardaware 22:31 < NoBendy> fake: Hmm... it's an app which tracks a business' customers, their "status", and other things. 22:32 < caker> and then replicate that entire rig onto the other two datacenters, too :> 22:32 < NoBendy> In other words, the biz logs in and uses the app to organize/track/run their business. 22:32 < fake> good luck competing in that fiel 22:32 < fake> d 22:32 < NoBendy> caker: Yeah, I assumed that "intra-datacenter" would be fine 22:32 < NoBendy> fake: It's a niche market that I know extremely well. :-) 22:32 < NoBendy> And thank you. :-) 22:33 < NoBendy> I don't expect to get rich, but I gotta eat. :-P 22:33 < fake> :) 22:34 < mwalling> caker: you're planning on using one of the RFC1918 blocks for the internal stuff, right? 22:34 < caker> mwalling: yeah 22:34 < mwalling> know which? 22:34 < mwalling> (so i dont use it for a vpn link 22:36 < caker> not specifically yet, but it'll be something that starts with a higher C number to avoid that stuff (example: 192.168.10 <-- 10 minimum starting umber, or 10.1.x.x <-- 1 min, etc) 22:37 < mwalling> k 22:37 < caker> (we went through that with the office VPN, and our home networks being in the same range) 22:37 < NoBendy> OK.Wow, my brain is spinning. When I get an idea, I go nuts. :-P 22:38 < NoBendy> Now, I gotta write the darn thing. :-P 22:38 < caker> rails, right? like 300 lines :-P 22:38 < NoBendy> caker: Is there room for another Linode 360 in Dallas? :-) 22:38 < mwalling> NoBendy: good luck :P 22:38 < tasaro> !avail 22:38 < linbot> tasaro: Linode360 - 39, Linode540 - 0, Linode720 - 22, Linode1080 - 0, Linode1440 - 0 22:38 < NoBendy> caker: 300?! Man, if it's more than 3, I'm gonna de-hype Rails! 22:38 < NoBendy> :-P 22:38 < caker> NoBendy: ^-- yes 22:38 < NoBendy> Ooooo 22:38 < NoBendy> Nice. 22:39 < NoBendy> But, is that "Dallas"? 22:39 < NoBendy> (Just curious" 22:39 < caker> most of those are, yes 22:39 < tasaro> yes, they are all dallas 22:39 < NoBendy> Cool 22:39 < caker> (if not all) 22:45 < NoBendy> OK. Well, I guess I can scale up a bit. 22:45 < NoBendy> Based on the comments above. 22:46 < NoBendy> Of course, I don't expect to do this any time soon. It'll be 4-6 months before the app launches and goes into "standard Web2.0 beta mode"(c). :-P 22:47 < fake> i need to check out rails 22:47 < fake> i feel behind the curve 22:48 < NoBendy> I need to check out Rails, too. 22:48 < NoBendy> :-P 22:48 < NoBendy> I've played with it a bit, and it seems quite cool. 22:49 < NoBendy> And it's matured in the past couple of years to a point where I feel comfortable using it. 22:49 < NoBendy> If this app fails miserably, at least I'll have significant Rails experience. 22:50 -!- IgorSobreira [~igor@189.71.2.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54 < NoBendy> Now, I have to decide if I go the "Apache->Mongrel->Rails" route, or the "LigHTTPD->Mongrel->Rails" route. Lighty's proxy module supposedly works now. :-) 22:56 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s166.cinergycom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58 < fake> I was actually just looking into that 22:58 < fake> i like lighty 22:58 < NoBendy> Any viewpoint yet? 22:58 < fake> so i'm gonna go that way 22:58 < fake> not that i know how to do it at all yet ;p 22:59 < NoBendy> Yeah, I do too. I've used Apache since the 90s, and I've used Lighty a bit. I like Lighty's configs MUCH better. 22:59 < NoBendy> But it all hinges on how Lighty's proxy module works with Mongrel. 22:59 < NoBendy> A couple of years ago, it sucked. Unfortunately, that's what you find when you Google it. 22:59 < NoBendy> But, supposedly, Lighty 1.5+ has a MUCH better proxy that works with Mongrel. 22:59 * caker is tempted to drink a soda (it's 11:00PM) 23:00 < fake> i don't even really understand what function mongrel serves in the stack 23:00 < fake> caker don't do it 23:00 < atourino> dont do it... you'll regret it in a few hours 23:00 < atourino> :D 23:00 < NoBendy> OK, so... 23:00 < avongauss> meh, I would go for something called beer - it's a carbonated soda that wouldn't keep you awake... ;) 23:01 < fake> nothing worse than not being able to fall asleep when you want to 23:01 < caker> no beer .. but I have some Boone's Farm! 23:01 < NoBendy> Apache/Lighty accepts the request. If it's a static thing (JPG, static html, whatever), it just gives it. If it's dynamic, it sends it to Mongrel. 23:01 < avongauss> Boone's Farm? 23:01 < NoBendy> A Mongrel instance handles talking to Rails and giving the info back to Apache/Lighty. 23:02 < NoBendy> Remember: Ruby and Rails are single-threaded, unlike Apache/Lighty. 23:02 < NoBendy> A single Mongrel instance can service one request at a time. 23:02 < NoBendy> At least that's my understanding so far. :-P 23:02 < fake> yeah but don't you spawn an instance of ruby every time 23:02 < caker> avongauss: low-end wine, often drank by college kids (or under drinking age), given to me as gag gift 23:02 < NoBendy> And Rails doesn't serve; it processes. 23:02 < fake> oh yes boone's farm. it comes in huge jugs 23:02 < NoBendy> Mongrel keeps them in RAM, I think. 23:02 < fake> ah that makes sense 23:03 < NoBendy> So, no, Ruby is already there. Like mod_perl. 23:03 < scorche> not wine-in-a-box? ;) 23:03 < avongauss> I am out of practice, this is the third "beverage" that someone has mentioned today that I've never heard of before... 23:03 < NoBendy> If Lighty's proxy module is good, I'll go that route 23:03 < NoBendy> Lighty->Mongrel(s)->Rails 23:05 < fake> let me know if you find a good tutorial for that setup 23:05 < fake> i'm gonna watch the wire and go to sleep 23:05 -!- KoZi [~KoZi@c-67-174-177-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [] 23:05 < NoBendy> If there's not one, I'll write one. :-) 23:09 < NoBendy> Thank you, all, for your comments. I may be back soon! Take care! 23:10 -!- NoBendy [~no@c-67-161-152-232.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [] 23:10 -!- fake [~fake@rrcs-72-43-24-86.nys.biz.rr.com] has left #linode [] 23:10 -!- fake [~fake@rrcs-72-43-24-86.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #linode 23:16 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s174.cinergycom.net] has joined #linode --- Log closed Wed Jan 23 23:59:01 2008