--- Day changed --- Log opened Tue Feb 12 23:59:01 2008 23:59 < bd_> alain: tasaro was online 15 mins ago 00:00 < tasaro> alain: which profile are you trying to boot? 00:04 -!- asedeno_work [~asedeno@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #linode 00:04 < onixythai> tasaro: maybe i can try to boot my server too 00:08 -!- cramer_as8758 [~cramer_as@fiji.dolphins.ch] has quit [Server closed connection] 00:09 -!- cramer_as8758 [~cramer_as@fiji.dolphins.ch] has joined #linode 00:10 < alain> I am trying to bood profile My CentOS 4.0 (RHEL) Profile (Latest 2.6 Series (2.6.23.12-linode41)) 00:10 < alain> it now booted 00:10 < alain> all I did was resize the partitions in order to use the extra space 00:10 < alain> no data seems to be lost... feel much better 00:11 < alain> but it took a while! 00:11 -!- skule [~svs@cpe.atm2-0-12843.0x50a66336.arcnxx10.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Server closed connection] 00:11 < alain> i still don't understand what happened... but it finally booted 00:15 < alain> thank you anyways 00:15 -!- Eman [~eman@dyn216-8-163-159.ADSL.mnsi.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16 -!- Eman [~eman@dyn216-8-163-159.ADSL.mnsi.net] has joined #linode 00:21 -!- onixythai [~3d5e10b4@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:23 -!- onixythai [~3d5e10b4@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 00:26 -!- Rifkin [~rifkin@procyondesign.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:36 -!- alain [~4a446356@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:37 -!- onixythai [~3d5e10b4@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:37 -!- onixythai [~3d5e10b4@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 00:45 -!- Athenon [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #linode 00:45 -!- Athenon [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [] 00:45 -!- Athenon [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #linode 00:45 -!- Athenon [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [] 00:47 -!- ^GaveUp^ [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 00:53 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:11 -!- ^GaveUp^ [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:15 -!- onixythai [~3d5e10b4@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:19 -!- Athenon [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #linode 01:19 -!- Athenon is now known as Poop 01:19 -!- Poop [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [] 01:22 -!- mattskr [~mattskr@216.132.92.34] has joined #linode 01:23 < mattskr> hi everyone 01:25 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:26 -!- clanehin [~lane@cpe-069-134-066-130.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:26 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has joined #linode 01:44 -!- Schroeder2 [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s6.cinergycom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:44 -!- mattskr [~mattskr@216.132.92.34] has quit [Quit: mattskr] 02:03 -!- scorche|w [~42c007b2@squisch.net] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Session timeout)] 02:53 -!- Antitribu [~simon@li9-122.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 02:53 -!- Antitribu [~simon@li9-122.members.linode.com] has left #linode [] 03:01 -!- Cnl_Delta [Cnl_Delta@61.17.220.43] has joined #linode 03:12 -!- metaperl [~metaperl@cpe-75-187-102-204.insight.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:15 < linbot> New news from forums: Kernel updates for CVE-2008-600, 2008-0010 and 2008-0009 ? in Feature Request/Bug Report 03:20 -!- Dreamer3 [~Dreamer3@74-142-174-231.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #linode 03:35 -!- Cnl_Delta [Cnl_Delta@61.17.220.43] has quit [] 04:25 -!- bleu [~52fb5835@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 04:29 < bleu> Hi guys, I have run into a problem with my old server phpmyadmin, the data is latin (french) but their phpmyadmin panel has no selection on export for character set. On the new linode install i also see no option, but on another server I have there is a little selection at the bottom near the save button. I will put an image on the server. Has anyone here any idea on how to add this functionality to phpmyadmin? 04:31 < bleu> http://the-authorities.com/2.png 04:32 < bleu> this is a picture with the selection option at the bottom. 04:32 -!- Dreamer3 [~Dreamer3@74-142-174-231.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:33 -!- agentbleubleu [~agentbleu@lns-bzn-54-82-251-88-53.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #linode 04:34 -!- sole_ [~sole@adsl-71-154-248-158.dsl.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:34 -!- kvandivo [~kvandivo@adsl-76-199-7-235.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:35 -!- kvandivo [~kvandivo@adsl-76-199-7-235.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #linode 04:36 -!- sole [~sole@adsl-71-154-248-158.dsl.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net] has joined #linode 04:39 < agentbleubleu> anyone? 04:41 -!- bleu [~52fb5835@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:48 -!- Cnl_Delta [Cnl_Delta@61.17.220.43] has joined #linode 04:53 -!- Col_Delta [Cnl_Delta@61.17.220.43] has joined #linode 04:53 -!- Col_Delta [Cnl_Delta@61.17.220.43] has quit [] 04:54 -!- dpn` [~tripped@ppp121-45-217-235.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #linode 05:07 -!- Dreamer3 [~Dreamer3@74-142-174-231.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #linode 05:10 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@host-84-9-48-31.dslgb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:11 -!- Dreamer3 [~Dreamer3@74-142-174-231.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [] 05:20 -!- linbot [~supybot@ns.theshore.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 05:21 -!- linbot` [~supybot@ns.theshore.net] has joined #linode 05:30 -!- internat85 [~nf@dsl-58-6-125-95.qld.westnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:33 -!- internat85 [~nf@dsl-58-6-125-95.qld.westnet.com.au] has joined #linode 05:39 -!- knix [knix@knix.mine.nu] has quit [Server closed connection] 05:39 -!- knix [knix@knix.mine.nu] has joined #linode 05:40 < praetorian> my atlanta linode seems slow 05:40 < praetorian> bandwidth wise 05:40 < praetorian> anyone else having similar problems? 05:41 < Tenkawa> yes 05:41 < Tenkawa> same here 05:41 * Talman is in Dallas, sorry 05:42 < Tenkawa> yeah my atlanta one is definitely sluggishon the bandwidth front 05:43 < quanin> mine seems to be doing alright. 05:44 < Tenkawa> I wish I could say the same 05:44 < praetorian> my dallas one is fine 05:45 < praetorian> my atlanta one seems to be recovering now 05:45 < praetorian> but weird 05:45 -!- tolecnal [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:45 < Tenkawa> probably just an intermittent hit 05:45 < Talman> Maybe someone went nuts on a site. 05:46 < Tenkawa> wouldnt be suprised 05:46 < quanin> atlanta's been having all manner of problems the last month or so. 05:47 < Tenkawa> hmm that I hadnt noticed 05:47 < Tenkawa> been working great here 05:47 < Tenkawa> at least the xen one 05:47 < quanin> didn't they have a like 3 hr outage a couple weeks back? 05:48 < Tenkawa> cant speak for the original 05:48 < Tenkawa> quanin: not that I noticed 05:48 < Talman> ... point. I'm on a xen node. 05:48 < Tenkawa> unless it was "right" before I joined 05:48 < Talman> So even if the Dallas boxen go off, I'm still on the xen box. 05:49 < Tenkawa> xen is awesome 05:49 < Tenkawa> I ru it at home 05:49 < Tenkawa> er run 05:49 < Tenkawa> yes I am a sad geek.. I know 05:51 < Talman> Heh. 05:51 < Tenkawa> yay!!! I should get my 360 back today 05:51 < Tenkawa> hopefullly in one piece 05:54 < quanin> okay, so i can also be an idiot. it was just barely a month ago... 1/9/2008. 05:54 < Tenkawa> ahh 05:54 < Tenkawa> yeah that might have been like 2 days before I signed up 05:54 < quanin> http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3028 05:55 < Tenkawa> jan 15 05:55 < quanin> it was freemont that was having a majority of the host issues this month. and i'm in that datacenter... 05:55 < Tenkawa> ythats when I joined 05:55 < Tenkawa> ahh 05:56 < quanin> that's it. linode has too many people in too many datacenters. 05:56 * quanin nods. 05:56 < Tenkawa> heh 05:57 -!- caker [~caker@caker.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 05:57 -!- caker [~caker@ns.theshore.net] has joined #linode 06:02 * Tenkawa listens to some dinosaur jr 06:06 * quanin sees how long it takes him to break his linode. 06:09 -!- samantha1quirrel [~h8@frotz.zork.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 06:09 -!- samanthasquirrel [~h8@frotz.zork.net] has joined #linode 06:10 < sakaal> maybe i should start a Java EE school 06:11 -!- tolecnal [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has joined #linode 06:11 < sakaal> I would teach my students free as long as they program what I say and give up all the copyrights to me 06:13 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #linode 06:32 -!- syntaxman [wade@secure.syntaxman.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 06:32 -!- syntaxman [wade@secure.syntaxman.org] has joined #linode 06:46 -!- heidi [~heidi@mail.thegrebs.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 06:46 -!- heidi [~heidi@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #linode 06:52 -!- taupehat_ [me@taupehat.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 06:52 -!- taupehat [me@taupehat.com] has joined #linode 06:55 < Tenkawa> sakaal: heheh 06:58 -!- Cnl_Delta [Cnl_Delta@61.17.220.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:59 -!- Cnl_Delta [Cnl_Delta@61.17.220.43] has joined #linode 07:05 -!- atourino [~Antonio@201.218.81.244] has joined #linode 07:09 -!- jimbob28 [~james@78.40.247.133] has joined #linode 07:10 < jimbob28> greetings... anyone else getting packet loss to their vps? the traceroute is fine until it hits my ip. it's about 30% loss. i'm on host87.atlanta.linode.com 07:12 -!- metaperl [~metaperl@cpe-75-187-102-204.insight.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 07:18 < mwalling_> jimbob28: i'm seeing identical from my dallas node 07:18 * Talman raises an eyebrow. 07:18 < praetorian> i was getting similar with my atlanta one before .. but not my dallas one.. 07:19 * Talman is ssh'ed into my xen on Dallas. 07:19 < Talman> Should I run a traceroute? 07:19 * mwalling_ is vpn'd through his xen in dallas 07:19 < praetorian> flip a coin 07:20 < praetorian> not getting any packet loss atm, fwiw 07:21 < mwalling_> http://p.linode.com/270 07:22 < Talman> nor am I. 07:22 < Talman> Well, not at Level 3. 07:22 < Talman> Comcast is sucking as usual. 07:23 * mwalling_ drops vpn and tries again 07:24 < jimbob28> mwalling: same -> http://p.linode.com/271 07:25 * Talman just has tracert on windows. :( 07:25 < mwalling_> Talman: there is a windows version of mtr 07:25 < Talman> o rly. 07:25 < Talman> googling. 07:26 < mwalling_> i'm dropping 10% when going timewarner -> level3 -> gnax 07:26 < Talman> ok, runninng. 07:27 < Talman> I'm getting a 10% loss at comcast to level 3. 07:27 < jimbob28> i've raised a support ticket 07:27 < Talman> But its like 26 degrees and its comcast. 07:28 < Talman> http://p.linode.com/272 07:29 < mwalling_> Talman: do that to his host though 07:29 < Talman> To jimbob28's? 07:29 < Talman> k 07:29 < mwalling_> host87.atlanta.linode.com 07:30 < Talman> Ah, Atlanta, yeah people have been complaining of problems on atlanta all through the night. 07:30 < Talman> i have... ow 07:31 < Talman> dallas on l3 is down, 80% loss 07:31 < sakaal> how does mtr select the list of hosts (default) 07:31 < Talman> http://p.linode.com/273 07:32 < Talman> ae-73-73.ebr3.Dallas1.Level3.net <- This seems to be a problem. 07:32 < mwalling_> sakaal: traceroute 07:32 < sakaal> ok. im getting huge losses too 07:32 < Talman> And then two routers won't even respond. 07:33 < jimbob28> many routers won't respond to icmp if they're busy. this manifests itself as a high loss figure for that hop, but not the ones beyond it 07:33 < Talman> 63.247.71.206 07:33 < sakaal> i have losses everywhere 07:33 < Talman> 40 percent average failure. 07:34 < Talman> Is that your host? 07:34 < Talman> It stops after that IP. 07:34 -!- iggy [~iggy@216.63.86.18] has quit [Server closed connection] 07:34 -!- iggy [~iggy@216.63.86.18] has joined #linode 07:35 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 07:37 * Talman idly wonders who's box that is. Linode's or GNAX's. whois says its a GNAX Internal Device. 07:37 < mwalling_> !dns 63.247.71.206 07:37 < linbot`> mwalling_: Host not found. 07:37 < Talman> No RDNS, I don't think 07:38 < Talman> Now, my Dallas node IP comes back to Linode, as additional whois info. 07:38 < mwalling_> yeah, forward dns is host87 07:38 < sakaal> http://p.linode.com/274 07:38 < Talman> Ah, ok. 07:39 < mwalling_> host87.atlanta.linode.com is an alias for host87.linode.com. 07:39 < mwalling_> host87.linode.com has address 63.247.71.206 07:40 < Talman> Wonder why GNAX calls it "GNAX Internal Device" on the Organization. 07:40 < mwalling_> cause gnax owns the /19 07:41 < Talman> Actually, enver mind. There are two records. 07:41 < Talman> One on the /19 for Linode. 07:41 < Talman> And then one for GNAX. 07:41 < Talman> Anyway, hmm. 07:41 < Talman> Hopefully they'll be able to fix it. I wonder what the problem is. 07:42 < jimbob28> hm. there's a fair bit of bgp flapping going on. my mtr keeps adding new lines as the trace takes different paths 07:44 < mwalling_> i tried something... http://files.markwalling.org/mtrreport 07:44 < mwalling_> that was using for i in `seq 77 95`; do mtr host$i.atlanta.linode.com --report; done > mtrreport 07:48 < praetorian> i am noticing my alanta node is a bit slow again now 07:48 < linbot`> New news from forums: RED5 streaming on linode? in General Discussion 07:48 < mwalling_> all but one of those hosts had loss on the last hop to the node 07:51 -!- gdlt [~greco@user-0c99323.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:52 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-240-211.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #linode 07:53 -!- atourin1 [~Antonio@201.218.81.244] has joined #linode 07:54 < praetorian> oo .. no response from it now 07:54 -!- atourino [~Antonio@201.218.81.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:54 < praetorian> ssh session drop out 07:55 -!- CyberMonk [hacker@2001:5c0:84dc:1:2::39] has joined #linode 07:57 -!- xerbutter [~xerbutter@c-76-19-8-236.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #linode 07:58 < jimbob28> yeah... ssh is unusable on mine 07:59 -!- encode [~encode@irc.macuni.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 07:59 -!- encode [~encode@70.85.16.92] has joined #linode 07:59 < sakaal> libot should say whether it is good news or bad news 07:59 < mwalling_> linbot is just listening to the rss feed 07:59 -!- xerbutter2 [~4c1308ec@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 07:59 < sakaal> well it could use some heuristics like random .... 08:00 < sakaal> or say "Bad" if the message contains apologies or the words "we are working on it" 08:02 -!- greco [~greco@rrcs-70-63-71-194.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #linode 08:02 < mwalling_> ... it just gets the rss feeds... 08:02 < sakaal> :) 08:03 < tasaro> working on it 08:03 < sakaal> the rss protocol should have a boolean flag to denote good or bad news 08:04 < sakaal> after all, we do live in a black and white world 08:04 < greco> funny 08:04 < sakaal> !insult God 08:04 < linbot`> God - You are nothing but an unoriginal thimbleful of porous snake. 08:05 < sakaal> !insult Mohammed 08:05 < linbot`> Mohammed - You are nothing but a sausage-snorfling coagulation of industrial guano. 08:06 < sakaal> soon linbot will get death threats 08:07 < jimbob28> oh, there's a bot :) sorry, i'm new here 08:09 < sakaal> no worries... i think God or Mohammad just avenged my arrogance 08:09 < sakaal> I was having a delicious chocolate muffin that suddenly exploded all over my sofa for no apparent reason 08:10 -!- jimcooncat [~jim@pool-71-173-86-112.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 08:10 < sakaal> ...unless linbot can do that too... 08:11 < sakaal> you wouldn't believe all the things an angry irc bot can do to your muffin 08:13 < linbot`> sakaal - You are nothing but a humid quart of boil-brained grits. 08:14 < sakaal> I knew it was linbot... 08:16 < Talman> • linbot`: help • 08:16 < Talman> Ok, my script, supposedly, leaks 8-bit characters. What does this mean? 08:16 < sakaal> !help 08:16 < linbot`> sakaal: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 08:16 < Talman> Someone paste that back to me. 08:17 < greco> [08:13] • linbot`: help • that? 08:17 < Talman> Yeah. Someone threw a fit about my "leaking 8-bit characters." To which I say, wtf are you using a 7-bit client for that isn't stripping? 08:18 < greco> they're BEL chars 08:18 < greco> [08:13] <0x07> linbot`: help <0x07> 08:19 < guinea-pig> NOT BEL!!! 08:19 < guinea-pig> argh 08:19 < greco> fraid so 08:19 < guinea-pig> that's annoying as hell. you know that 08:19 < Talman> Bell? 08:20 < guinea-pig> yes, bell 08:20 < Talman> Awesome. 08:20 < guinea-pig> except for some reason... my terminal is printing them instead of doing what it should 08:20 * Talman will have to ask the person who wrote the script why he uses bell characters. 08:20 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:20 < guinea-pig> Talman: do you know what BEL is? 08:21 < Talman> Yes, it rings the terminal bell. 08:21 < mwalling_> BEL != bell 08:21 < Talman> Then spare me the google. 08:22 < greco> it only seems to do it when you paste in. i'm guessing it's a paste, cause your normal conversation text is fine 08:22 -!- jamie- [~jamie@rivendell.silverdream.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:22 < Talman> Nope, it's the mIRC script. 08:22 < mwalling_> i "U" on inverted colors 08:22 < Talman> If I use :, it autocompletes the nick and makes weird characters. 08:22 < mwalling_> dont use mIRC? 08:22 < mwalling_> hehe 08:22 < guinea-pig> or edit the script 08:22 < Talman> No, must use mIRC. :) 08:22 < guinea-pig> no you mustn't 08:22 < Talman> Must use JupiScript. 08:23 < mwalling_> Talman: why? 08:23 < greco> i use mirc. i thought you could just type the first couple letters and hit tab key for auto complete 08:23 -!- cmarcelo [~cmarcelo@200.184.118.132] has joined #linode 08:23 < Talman> You can, greco. This is a very heavily modified script called Jupiscript. 08:23 < greco> ah 08:23 < Talman> Normally this mIRC only connects to a specific network. 08:23 < mwalling_> which is why you should get stabbed :P 08:23 -!- darkbeholder [darkbehold@c220-239-19-146.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #linode 08:24 < guinea-pig> mirc is an inferior client, obviously 08:24 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has joined #linode 08:26 < Talman> I am unstabbable. :| 08:26 < sakaal> unstoppable? 08:27 < Talman> No, just incapable of being stabbed. 08:27 < sakaal> neat 08:27 < sakaal> but you can still be shot, right? 08:28 < Talman> Actually, I'm pretty immune to all physical attack. 08:29 < Talman> * On the internet. 08:29 < sakaal> then you should type "join the" in google and take the first suggested option 08:29 < Talman> Join the boy scouts? 08:29 < sakaal> my goggle autocompletion suggests "join the army" but the search gives boy scouts 08:30 < Talman> My opera doesn't do autocompetion, and my firefox is closed 08:30 < sakaal> obviously the autocompletion and search are out of sync 08:30 < sakaal> well NRA comes right after boy scouts 08:31 < sakaal> firefox autocompletion gives: army, police, navy, police force, marines, revolution 08:32 < sakaal> somehow i find the "revolution" quite antiestablishment compared to the other options 08:33 < Talman> wii 08:33 < sakaal> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?word1=army&word2=boy+scouts 08:34 < greco> rimuhosting? 08:34 < sakaal> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?word1=linode&word2=rimuhosting 08:35 < sakaal> but this is worrying: 08:35 < sakaal> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?word1=linode&word2=eapps 08:35 < greco> yeah, big difference 08:36 < greco> eaps has lots of other uses though 08:36 < sakaal> must be that 08:37 < greco> lots of "powered by" eapps. 08:38 < sakaal> we conclude that linode should introduce a "Powered by linode" button 08:38 * greco agrees 08:38 < mwalling_> ... look on the forum 08:39 < greco> yeah, someone made some buttons a while ago. time to implement 08:39 < mwalling_> i think tasaro (?) made up some buttons 08:39 < sakaal> well then they should be promoted more actively 08:40 < sakaal> my JSF EJB3 LDAPS reCAPTCHA experiment is still too green to be promoted 08:40 -!- dpn` [~tripped@ppp121-45-217-235.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:40 -!- xerbutter2 [~4c1308ec@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:41 -!- LinodeJavaUser [~LinodeJav@c-76-19-8-236.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #linode 08:41 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-240-211.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 08:41 -!- LinodeJavaUser [~LinodeJav@c-76-19-8-236.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 08:46 -!- xerbutter [~xerbutter@c-76-19-8-236.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: xerbutter] 08:50 < mikegrb> linode.com/images/pr I think 08:52 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-240-211.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #linode 08:53 < greco> yes, and discussion here: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2993&start=15 09:01 < sakaal> hmm strange... i think this god person is playing tricks on me... i just received a random public key from reCAPTCHA that ends with "_god9y" 09:01 < sakaal> it's probably god trying to say he's 9 years old 09:02 < greco> i guess the _ represents sex field 09:03 -!- tolecnal [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:03 < greco> *gender 09:03 < SpaceHobo> Are you an expert in the field of sex? 09:03 < SpaceHobo> or do you plow the sex field? 09:04 < sakaal> yes, but only with females 09:04 < SpaceHobo> only female fields for sex? 09:04 < greco> sexpert... 09:04 < sakaal> it's a field sexperiment 09:04 < sakaal> you know www.expertsexchange.com 09:05 < SpaceHobo> also bonus points for the instant "HI NOT GAY!" snap 09:05 < SpaceHobo> yes yes, I used to work for linuxcare 09:05 < SpaceHobo> and we pointed out their URL 09:05 < SpaceHobo> and they set up a redirect to the hyphenated one 09:05 < sakaal> http://www.therapistfinder.com/ 09:06 < SpaceHobo> http://www.crackmonkey.org/pipermail/crackmonkey/1999-December/000162.html <-- sakaal 09:07 < SpaceHobo> http://www.hoe.nu/text/hoe-0991.txt 09:07 < sakaal> hehe 09:08 < guinea-pig> farkin monkeys 09:08 < jimbob28> packet loss problem seems to have gone away 09:09 < guinea-pig> so have the packets 09:10 -!- tolecnal [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has joined #linode 09:11 -!- TJF [~TJF@pat.foulston.com] has joined #linode 09:36 -!- pfein-away [~pfein@ool-45725183.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:42 < Tenkawa> oh.. so there "was" a network issue with atlanta earlier? 09:43 < jimbob28> yes 09:43 < Tenkawa> ok 09:44 < Tenkawa> good to know I wasnt hallucinating that badly 09:44 < Tenkawa> heheh 10:03 -!- argoe [~argoe@75-170-20-177.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #linode 10:05 -!- linbot` is now known as linbot 10:05 < argoe> I don't see anything in the forums about it but this is the second time this week that I'm getting no name resolution from my linode 10:05 < argoe> any idea why? 10:05 < caker> argoe: which nameservers in your resolv.conf don't respond? 10:06 < argoe> well....at the moment...they do. It JUST started resolving again. 10:07 < argoe> I'm sorry caker, I dno't know which ones weren't resolving. 10:07 -!- darkbeholder [darkbehold@c220-239-19-146.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:07 -!- sitespark [~sitespark@C-61-68-125-156.hay.connect.net.au] has joined #linode 10:07 < argoe> I have the default resolv.conf. Should I be changing it? 10:07 < caker> argoe: next time it happens, dig google.com @resolver1, dig google.com @resolver2, etc, and let me know which one you have trouble with 10:08 < caker> argoe: as long as it matches what's in your Remote Access subtab, no need to change it 10:09 < argoe> ok 10:09 < argoe> thanks 10:09 -!- jams [~jams@CPE-72-131-6-174.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 10:10 -!- jams [~jams@CPE-72-131-6-174.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 10:10 < argoe> caker: the only thing different is that the first entry in my resolv.conf is NOT on the remote access subtab. should I remove the first entry? 10:11 < argoe> caker: 67.18.92.7 10:16 -!- Cnl_Delta [Cnl_Delta@61.17.220.43] has quit [] 10:18 < sitespark> hi all, just in sign up process; 'Please select the geographic location for your new Linode account' showing ONLY Dallas, TX, USA as available, yet on Linode forums the IP to ping Dallas is timing out for me - from Sydney, Australia 10:19 < caker> which forum post? this one: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636 ? 10:19 < caker> argoe: lemme check that resolver -- one moment 10:19 -!- mode/#linode [+o caker] by ChanServ 10:19 -!- mode/#linode [+o linbot] by ChanServ 10:19 < sitespark> I checked: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2654&sid=7153c3bbd626545ef70b85126cb31492 10:20 < caker> sitespark: that's an old post -- please use the one I provided 10:20 < sitespark> Ideally id like to be on Fremont, faster pings from Aus. Is this possible? 10:20 < caker> argoe: you should remove 67.18.92.7 from your resolv.conf 10:21 < sitespark> checking 10:21 < quanin> sitespark: are you signing up for the 360? 10:21 < sitespark> yep :) 10:21 < quanin> !avail freemont 10:21 < linbot> quanin: (linodeavail takes no arguments) -- Gets the availability of each Linode plan type optionally restricting the results to a specific datacenter. 10:21 < quanin> ... don't tell me it's case sensative. 10:21 < tasaro> !avail-he 10:22 < linbot> tasaro: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0 10:22 < sitespark> bugger, this was a central consideration of choosing Linode - CA based DC 10:22 < iggy> they may have openings soon 10:23 < tasaro> sitespark: let me take a look -- Linode 360? 10:23 < sitespark> any Linode reps that could tell me when? if so, can the Xen instance be transferred? 10:23 < sitespark> tasaro: sry - yes, ta :) 10:25 -!- Pryon [~Pryon@c-76-18-90-150.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:25 < tasaro> !avail-he 10:25 < linbot> tasaro: Fremont360 - 2, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0 10:25 < tasaro> sitespark: go for it 10:26 < quanin> do i even want to know how 2 of 'em suddenly just became free? lol 10:26 < mikegrb> lolz 10:26 < tasaro> quanin: make sure you pay your invoice ;) 10:26 < sitespark> Coolz! 10:26 < quanin> hehe. 10:26 < sitespark> Done! 10:26 -!- mattskr [~0caccf03@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 10:26 < sitespark> Thanks heaps! 10:26 < tasaro> sitespark: The Xen hosts are currently sold out in Fremont, however 10:27 < sitespark> Oh, shit 10:27 < mattskr> hey guys 10:27 < quanin> at least we know it's not automated. 10:27 < sitespark> Ah, thats a kind of deal-breaker, shouldnt have jumped so soon. 10:27 < sitespark> tasaro: xen is key to the VPS; its a test-bed for a xen deployed server/framework 10:28 < tasaro> sitespark: We can set you up on Xen in Dallas and ping you when something opens in Fremont 10:28 < sitespark> tasaro: will XEN availability change? (squirming, hoping not pushing my luck) 10:29 -!- mwalling [~mwalling@you.dontlike.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:29 < sitespark> tasaro: ok, this would be fine. Est. time? 10:29 -!- jimbob28 [~james@78.40.247.133] has left #linode [] 10:30 < quanin> is the cancelling of servers automated after a certain point, or do you just go through periodically and he who doesn't pay gets dumped? sorry if it's none of my business, but now i'm curious. 10:30 < sitespark> tasaro: im user: sitespark (obviously) :-P 10:30 < tasaro> can set you up in Dallas in a matter of minutes.. I can't give you a reliable ETA on Xen in Fremont atm 10:30 < tasaro> one sec 10:32 -!- mattskr [~0caccf03@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:33 < tasaro> sitespark: you should be all set 10:35 < mikegrb> quanin: semi automated 10:36 < mikegrb> quanin: report shows all deliquent and includes any billing tickets the user may have open check the check boxes, hit submit 10:37 < mikegrb> deliquent emails get an email letting them know something is wrong, then suspended, then cancelled 10:37 < mikegrb> s/emails/linodes/ 10:37 < sitespark> tasaro: great! so in dallas in xen? shld i check in again for CA XEN availability or will I be emailed? 10:38 < mikegrb> sitespark: if you open a ticket we can let you know once ca xen availability occurrs 10:38 < sakaal> hmm i wonder where System.out goes with JSF managed beans... 10:38 * mikegrb bets on the moon 10:39 < mwalling_> mars 10:39 < mikegrb> close! 10:39 < sitespark> mikegrb: ok thanks a lot, will do so now. cyaz! 10:40 < sakaal> damn... just what i needed. a mars mission to get my recaptcha tested 10:40 * linbot <3's mikegrb 10:41 * mikegrb <3's linbot 10:41 < sakaal> NASA will be very pissed to find out they weren't the first to visit mars 10:42 < linbot> mikegrb: Want to go out after work tonight? 10:42 * mikegrb nods 10:42 < sakaal> hey watch it, your wife is following this channel 10:42 < mikegrb> heidi: I have to work late tonight 10:43 < linbot> heidi: Sorry honey, we can't hang out tonight... 10:43 < sakaal> oh sorry i didnt know you were married to linbot 10:43 < tasaro> caker: I'm going to work from home today, ok? mikegrb is frightening me 10:44 * mikegrb takes off his pants 10:44 * linbot folds back the sheets 10:44 * tasaro closes his door (leaving mikegrb on the *other* side) 10:45 < sakaal> maybe you should rename it lindoll 10:47 -!- sitespark [~sitespark@C-61-68-125-156.hay.connect.net.au] has quit [Quit: sitespark] 10:52 -!- richard-blaine [richard-bl@cm220.gamma85.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #linode 10:52 < richard-blaine> will linode open vps service in singapore data center, please. thank you. 10:52 -!- agentbleubleu [~agentbleu@lns-bzn-54-82-251-88-53.adsl.proxad.net] has left #linode [] 11:02 -!- hpj [~hpj@189.190.13.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:03 -!- rbrtrx [~rbrtrx@dyn216-8-143-53.adsl.mnsi.net] has joined #linode 11:07 -!- richard-blaine [richard-bl@cm220.gamma85.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 11:11 < argoe> caker: sorry had to take the kids to school. I removed that one before you responded anyway. That one was first in the list so maybe that was the problem. Thanks. 11:14 < linbot> tasaro: You can come out now... 11:16 < avongauss> tasaro, I wouldn't do it... 11:26 -!- scorche|w [~42c007b2@squisch.net] has joined #linode 11:31 -!- greco [~greco@rrcs-70-63-71-194.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:31 -!- greco [~greco@user-0c99323.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #linode 11:39 -!- hpj [~hpj@189.190.13.164] has joined #linode 11:39 -!- greco [~greco@user-0c99323.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:39 -!- ajmitch [~ajmitch@li16-239.members.linode.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:39 -!- ajmitch [~ajmitch@li16-239.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 11:45 -!- W|GGL|T [~all@pool-72-83-152-147.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:47 -!- mattskr [~0caccf03@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 11:48 -!- rbrtrx [~rbrtrx@dyn216-8-143-53.adsl.mnsi.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:50 -!- argoe [~argoe@75-170-20-177.eugn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: argoe] 11:51 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s68.cinergycom.net] has joined #linode 11:53 -!- rbrtrx [~rbrtrx@dyn216-8-143-53.ADSL.mnsi.net] has joined #linode 11:55 -!- rbrtrx [~rbrtrx@dyn216-8-143-53.ADSL.mnsi.net] has quit [] 11:56 -!- rbrtrx [~rbrtrx@dyn216-8-143-53.adsl.mnsi.net] has joined #linode 12:01 < mattskr> I need to rebuild my Linode but do not want any downloading. Is it ok to order a second linode and then cancel it a month later? 12:01 < mattskr> *any downtime 12:02 -!- cout [~cout@c-68-58-247-49.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:02 < anderiv> mattskr: sure. 12:02 < tasaro> mattskr: yes 12:03 < mattskr> ok, thanks 12:03 < anderiv> mattskr: you'll probably want to request the second linode to be located in the same DC as your current one. 12:03 < mattskr> sure I'm in Atlanta I think 12:04 < anderiv> !avail-atlanta 12:04 < linbot> anderiv: Atlanta360 - 43, Atlanta540 - 10, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0 12:04 < Bdragon> You get a choice on setup now 12:04 < anderiv> Bdragon: ahh nice...didn't know that. 12:04 < mattskr> 43 360's that will work for me 12:04 < tasaro> http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2919 12:05 < anderiv> wow - I'm not sure how I missed that :-) 12:05 < tasaro> mattskr: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2938 and http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2928 may also be useful, depending on your rebuild strategy 12:06 < mattskr> I plan on putting Ubuntu 7.10, has anyone had any issues with Ubuntu lately? 12:06 -!- Shrap [~Polaris@dpc6745135074.direcpc.com] has joined #linode 12:08 < mwalling_> i have issues with apt :) 12:08 < mikegrb> it's too easy for mwalling_ 12:08 < mikegrb> he prefers to install software with a hex editor 12:08 * mikegrb runs 12:08 < mattskr> haha 12:08 < mwalling_> s/easy/annoying/ 12:08 < mattskr> well I am running fedora right now and I don't like yum 12:09 < mwalling_> pkgtools(8) :) 12:09 -!- sneakums [sneakums@jenny.ondioline.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:10 -!- sneakums [sneakums@jenny.ondioline.org] has joined #linode 12:10 < Bdragon> ldd should be part of pkgtools ;) 12:10 -!- internat85 [~nf@dsl-58-6-125-95.qld.westnet.com.au] has quit [] 12:11 < mwalling_> eh 12:11 -!- Shrap [~Polaris@dpc6745135074.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:11 -!- Shrap [~Polaris@dpc6745135074.direcpc.com] has joined #linode 12:12 < Bdragon> (That was a bit of a devil's advocate comment ;) 12:13 < mattskr> I'm just an ubuntu guy, I use it at home and at work 12:13 < mattskr> I only use Fedora on my linode so I've never even seen a Fedora gui 12:13 < mwalling_> who needs a gui 12:13 < mwalling_> :P 12:13 < mattskr> for work I do :-) 12:14 < Bdragon> You a graphic artist? 12:14 -!- cout [~cout@c-68-58-247-49.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has joined #linode 12:14 < mattskr> no 12:14 < Bdragon> You a drafter? 12:14 < mattskr> uh...no 12:14 < Bdragon> You a musician? 12:14 < mattskr> hmm...no 12:14 < Bdragon> Journalist? 12:14 < mattskr> not quite 12:15 < mikegrb> blogger! 12:15 * mikegrb runs 12:15 * Bdragon gives up on professions that "require" a gui to get anything done... 12:15 < mattskr> haha no I'm an IBM Websphere consultant 12:15 < Bdragon> heh 12:15 < zeroday> sounds expensive 12:16 < Bdragon> Fair 'nuff 12:16 < mattskr> working on a theme for Websphere Portal right now...need the gui =) 12:16 -!- quanin [~james@nova.the-jdh.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:17 -!- quanin [~james@nova.the-jdh.com] has joined #linode 12:20 -!- Cnl_Delta [Cnl_Delta@61.17.220.43] has joined #linode 12:20 -!- Shrap [~Polaris@dpc6745135074.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:20 -!- Shrap [~Polaris@dpc6745135074.direcpc.com] has joined #linode 12:25 -!- Shrap [~Polaris@dpc6745135074.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26 -!- Shrap [~Polaris@dpc6745135074.direcpc.com] has joined #linode 12:29 -!- agentbleubleu [~agentbleu@lns-bzn-54-82-251-88-53.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #linode 12:30 < agentbleubleu> can anyone here talk me through the install process for VIM 12:30 < anderiv> agentbleubleu: what distro? 12:30 < agentbleubleu> It seems a little complicated 12:30 < agentbleubleu> debian 12:30 < agentbleubleu> 4 12:30 < anderiv> apt-get install vim 12:30 < anderiv> don't even think about using the generic tarball :-) 12:30 < agentbleubleu> i thought it was a text editor 12:31 < anderiv> agentbleubleu: it is. 12:31 < anderiv> *the* text editor I might add. 12:31 < anderiv> ;-) 12:31 < agentbleubleu> ok you might have to help me a bit more 12:31 < agentbleubleu> sec 12:31 < agentbleubleu> i get it installed 12:32 < mwalling_> agentbleubleu: ... got any reason you want to use vim? 12:32 * mwalling_ points to nano 12:32 * anderiv agrees (in this case anyway) 12:32 < agentbleubleu> ok im using text editor for my html files 12:33 < agentbleubleu> and i have a mysql one that is 45Mg 12:33 < mwalling_> ... continue 12:33 < agentbleubleu> that I have to fix, some problem with UFT-8 / 16 mismatch between servers, 12:34 < agentbleubleu> so the only way i have found of doing it is to open it in webdesign (texteditor) then it shows the iffy characters 12:34 < agentbleubleu> then copy and past it to textedit 12:34 < agentbleubleu> then do the find and replace. 12:34 < agentbleubleu> that worked on a smaller one 12:34 < agentbleubleu> see the data is french 12:35 < agentbleubleu> anyway it wont work on this one as the file is too big for webdesign to open 12:35 < agentbleubleu> keeps crashing 12:35 < agentbleubleu> so the guys here once recommended VIM and i tried but it looked like a nightmmare to figure out 12:35 < agentbleubleu> anyway its now installed on the server 12:35 -!- peleg [~peleg@82-35-74-37.cable.ubr02.dals.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #linode 12:35 < mwalling_> it has a steap learning curve 12:36 < rbrtrx> agentbleubleu: yeah, it's not easy-to-use, really, but it is very powerful. 12:36 < agentbleubleu> oh 12:36 < mwalling_> following vimtutor and keeping an open mind should help though 12:36 < agentbleubleu> yea it looked it 12:36 < rbrtrx> yeah, vimtutor is very helpful 12:36 < peleg> Hey buddies... I have installed mailman using a virtual host lists.domain.org; should I add this subdomain in the linode's DNS manager as well? 12:36 < agentbleubleu> ok in a sentence can you sum up why its so much better than the basic editord 12:37 < anderiv> I've been using vim (or vi) for 10 years now, and I still run through vimtutor periodically to brush up... 12:37 < mwalling_> peleg: yes, A and MX records 12:37 < peleg> mwalling_: thanks; I shouldn't configure it on apache too, right? 12:37 < agentbleubleu> ok so im going to have a look at vimtutor 12:38 < peleg> anderiv: could you explain a bit about vi/vim? I'm curious... 12:38 < rbrtrx> agentbleubleu: it makes it very easy to do repetitive/far-reaching edits and actions in your files, once you understand the commands. 12:38 < anderiv> peleg: what are you curious about? 12:38 < peleg> anderiv: why people use it, mostly. 12:38 < rbrtrx> masochism. 12:39 < mwalling_> peleg: because it makes sense 12:39 < peleg> mwalling_: ok, so I'm curious about this sense. 12:39 < anderiv> for me? The main thing that drew me to it initially was that your fingers never have to leave the keyboard. 12:40 < peleg> anderiv: hmmm... what's wrong with the mouse? 12:40 < anderiv> peleg: it's slow. 12:40 < anderiv> peleg: the time lost when switching back and forth.... 12:41 < rbrtrx> peleg: it's a tool for making edits to text files quickly, and while it, like any tool, has its faults, it is pretty darn good at what it does, once you understand it. 12:41 < peleg> anderiv: I see. well - I usually don't do that back-n-forth so much in SciTE - most of the things are available via the keyboard. 12:41 < anderiv> peleg: like rbrtrx said, the text processing features of vim are *very* powerful. 12:42 < rbrtrx> I use TextMate on my Mac, and vim over ssh, usually 12:42 < peleg> anderiv: but there are hundreds of things it CAN'T do. well - what are these text features that are powerful? (I really want to know, I'm not mocking you) 12:43 < rbrtrx> peleg: macros and repeating commands (probably my favourite thing in vim) by prefixing them with a number are the main two that come to mind 12:43 < rbrtrx> its commands are pretty convenient, too 12:43 < anderiv> umm - let's see...moving/copying blocks of test in fairly complex ways, regex search/replace, multiple copy/paste buffers, to name a few. 12:43 < rbrtrx> yeah, the regex search/replace is nice 12:44 < anderiv> it does syntax highlighting as well. 12:44 < peleg> rbrtrx: I see. Never used macros. regex search replace is quite common in text editors today. but for simple missions: don't you find nano simpler? 12:44 < anderiv> peleg: not a chance 12:44 < anderiv> :-) 12:44 < rbrtrx> peleg: not really. I got used to vim a long time ago. 12:44 < anderiv> peleg: I have to use the arrow keys in nano <---- annoying 12:45 < rbrtrx> and nano doesn't seem to respect my newlines. 12:45 < rbrtrx> heh, I use the arrow keys in vim :P 12:45 < anderiv> rbrtrx: weak. 12:45 < anderiv> :-) 12:45 < anderiv> jkl; baby 12:45 < rbrtrx> I hate moving with the home row ^_^ 12:45 < anderiv> err hjkl rather :-) 12:45 < rbrtrx> hah 12:45 < rbrtrx> if it was ijkl that would be better actually 12:45 < rbrtrx> but I'd still probably use the arrow keys 12:46 < anderiv> it took me a long time to break myself of the arrow habit, but it's a ton faster. 12:46 < anderiv> anderiv: you can probably set it up that way in your .vimrc 12:46 * anderiv still prefers hjkl though. ijkl seems less comfortable. 12:46 -!- Shrap [~Polaris@dpc6745135074.direcpc.com] has quit [Quit: (I was using ) Version:(2.04) Wasted:(20 Minutes and 32 Seconds Online)] 12:47 * rbrtrx shrugs 12:47 < rbrtrx> to each his own. 12:47 * anderiv nods 12:47 < anderiv> case in point: people using emacs 12:47 < anderiv> hehe 12:48 < rbrtrx> or TextMate, for that matter, or nano (: 12:48 < rbrtrx> I don't see any margin in using vim if you aren't getting the benefit of its commands, for example 12:48 < peleg> could someone do me a ping favour? :-) 12:49 < rbrtrx> but once you have used them and know them, there's no sense in going back to nano ^_^ 12:49 < rbrtrx> peleg: alright 12:49 < Tenkawa> yay I have my 360 back 12:49 < peleg> ping lists.yogiley.org --- thanks! 12:49 < rbrtrx> okay, it responded nicely 12:49 < agentbleubleu> so to get this straight using vim you basically edit and create all the files on the server, not on the desktop then upload them? 12:49 < rbrtrx> ~55ms from London, Ontario 12:49 < rbrtrx> agentbleubleu: yep, exactly 12:49 < peleg> rbrtrx: ... I'm having DNS refresh problems... 12:50 < peleg> rbrtrx: it's the second time I update linode's DNS and I can't "see" it. 12:50 < rbrtrx> 64 bytes from 67.18.186.248: icmp_seq=0 ttl=50 time=55.949 ms 12:50 < rbrtrx> is that the IP you expected? 12:50 < peleg> rbrtrx: yes 12:50 < rbrtrx> Sorry about the DNS issue \: 12:50 < peleg> rbrtrx: but I can't ping it. annoying! 12:50 < rbrtrx> kick your ISP's arse? 12:50 < rbrtrx> brb 12:50 < peleg> rbrtrx: I don't know what to do... 12:50 < peleg> ok 12:51 < Tenkawa> yay 12:51 < Tenkawa> me happy 12:53 < agentbleubleu> but there is the app right so i take it that you dont work from the terminal 12:54 < peleg> ok, pings are back. Does anyone here work with mailman? 12:54 < anderiv> agentbleubleu: I pretty much use vim exclusivlely through either an xterm or ssh 12:54 < anderiv> I've tried gvim and don't really like it. 12:55 < agentbleubleu> is gvim the app version 12:55 < anderiv> agentbleubleu: gvim is the gui version. 12:55 < agentbleubleu> aha 12:55 < quanin> i work with mailman occasionally. not very often from initial setup though... it can be really, really painful if you haven't set up your mail environment quite right. 12:55 < anderiv> vim is an "app" as well 12:57 < peleg> quanin: I think I set it up well. hopefully... 12:57 < quanin> well if not, you'll know real fast. 12:57 < peleg> quanin: I just want to figure out how to check if mail is really transferred to mailman or not... 12:57 < peleg> quanin: have any ideas? 12:58 * anderiv is currently in the middle of getting mailman+postfix set up. 12:58 < peleg> anderiv: really? wanna join the fight? :-) 12:58 < anderiv> fortunately, this postfix instance doesn't do anything else currently, so it's okay if it gets messed up :-) 12:58 < peleg> anderiv: do you use debian? 12:58 < anderiv> nope 12:58 < peleg> anderiv: the same. 12:58 -!- atourin1 [~Antonio@201.218.81.244] has left #linode [Leaving.] 12:59 < quanin> peleg: you use postfix as well? 12:59 * anderiv is going to pick up lunch 12:59 < peleg> quanin: yes. 12:59 < peleg> quanin: I set up main.cf and master.cf as written in postfix-to-mailman.py, and restarted postfix 12:59 < peleg> quanin: now I wonder if it works or not (before adding lists) 13:00 < quanin> slap a -v on the end of the master.cf smtpd startup line. send the setup a test mail and it should record in the log that it's sending it to mailman. 13:01 < agentbleubleu> do you think vim will be able to open a sql file that is 45Mg 13:01 < anderiv> agentbleubleu: yes - no problem. 13:01 < peleg> quanin: I lost you. "slap a -v" ? 13:01 < anderiv> agentbleubleu: I've opened up >1Gig sql files before with vim. 13:01 < agentbleubleu> ok 13:02 < anderiv> agentbleubleu: it takes a while to open/save, but it works. 13:02 < agentbleubleu> ok 13:02 < agentbleubleu> see the problem i have is one file is corrupt, but you cannot see the corruption, only in some editor 13:02 < agentbleubleu> s 13:03 < agentbleubleu> i have it installed, what would be a typical command to open a file such as pico/?? 13:03 < quanin> peleg: your startup line in master.cf should look something similar to: 13:03 < quanin> smtp inet n - n - - smtpd 13:03 < quanin> on the end of that line, add -v 13:03 < anderiv> umm - vim 13:03 < quanin> then restart. 13:04 < peleg> quanin: a minute.. 13:04 < peleg> quanin: ok - what does that -v do? 13:04 < anderiv> verbose I'd assume 13:04 < quanin> you'd assume correctly. 13:05 < quanin> every process postfix calls, including mailman, will be recorded in /var/log/mail.log or your equivalent postfix logfile. 13:09 < peleg> quanin: ok, thanks. a few minutes, I'll do that. 13:09 < quanin> i'll stick around in case it falls sideways. 13:10 < peleg> quanin: :-) 13:20 < peleg> quanin: do you have that directory: "hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman" ? 13:20 < peleg> directory/file 13:20 < quanin> i don't run it on either box just yet. but i've set it up before. giving you issues? 13:21 < peleg> quanin: no, I just can't find the data directory in the debian build... so annoying... :-) 13:22 < peleg> quanin: how it goes: grep -r virtual-mailman / ? 13:22 < peleg> or is there a way to search only for file names? 13:23 < quanin> if you have rlocate or slocate installed, try locate virtual-mailman. 13:23 -!- rbrtrx [~rbrtrx@dyn216-8-143-53.adsl.mnsi.net] has left #linode [] 13:24 < peleg> quanin: found! :-) 13:24 < quanin> ;) 13:26 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@yttrium.canonical.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:29 < peleg> quanin: still here? 13:29 < quanin> nope, i've skipped town. 13:30 < peleg> quanin: hmm? 13:30 < quanin> nevermind. over your head. lol 13:30 < mikegrb> lolz 13:30 < peleg> quanin: sorry, still not good with English jokes.. :-) 13:30 < peleg> quanin: well: I'm quite close. I still can't make it work, though. 13:31 < quanin> what's it telling you? 13:31 < peleg> quanin: I get this message: "To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or 13:31 < peleg> equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the 13:31 < peleg> `newaliases' program:" 13:31 < peleg> already did that, though. 13:31 < peleg> and funny: it shows me (After the ":") the lines that I have added myself! 13:32 < quanin> try a postfix reload. it'll cancel out any delay postfix imposes to generate the alias db. 13:32 < peleg> like: "mailman: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman" " (i will not paste it here) 13:32 < peleg> quanin: good idea 13:33 < anderiv> agentbleubleu: how's vim treating you? 13:34 < peleg> quanin: still the same. the issue is that I need to add "hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman" to postfix (before restarting) - I have found the data dir, but there is no virtual-mailman file there, so I can't do it. 13:35 < quanin> peleg: give this a read: http://files.technomage.net/postfix_mailman.txt 13:36 < peleg> quanin: thanks 13:36 < quanin> no problem. 13:47 < peleg> quanin: do you know what are my "postalias and postmap programs" ? 13:47 < quanin> whereis postalias, whereis postmap 13:47 < quanin> they'll tell ya. 13:48 < peleg> hmm? what is whereis? 13:48 < quanin> escentially, it's a command to tell you where a program has installed its various important files. 13:50 < quanin> for instance whereis postfix would produce a result similar to: "postfix: /usr/bin/postfix /etc/postfix" 13:50 -!- andrew_j_w [~andrew@88-97-29-168.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #linode 13:55 -!- greco [~greco@user-0c99323.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #linode 13:56 -!- jamie- [~jamie@rivendell.silverdream.org] has joined #linode 14:04 -!- paulcager_ [~paul_cage@www.paulcager.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:04 -!- paulcager [~paul_cage@www.paulcager.org] has joined #linode 14:06 -!- Rifkin [~rifkin@procyondesign.net] has joined #linode 14:11 -!- Veiks [~50eb4529@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 14:12 < Veiks> Hello I have a small question about migrating to Xen 14:12 < Veiks> how long should migration usually take? 14:13 < tasaro> Veiks: under normal conditions, 2-3 minues per GB when staying in the same datacenter 14:14 < Veiks> just curious for Atlanta it showed 1.56 MB/s for my migration 14:14 < tasaro> we had quite a backlog of Xen requests, so there are a few migrations happening at the same time right now 14:14 < tasaro> which is slowing it down a little 14:14 < Veiks> ok then I know and wait 14:16 < peleg> quanin: that file that you've sent me to - http://files.technomage.net/postfix_mailman.txt - its says to uncomment this line: "MTA = 'Postfix'" - and I've done it; but now when I try genaliases, I get a syntax error in that line. 14:19 < quanin> peleg: what's the error? 14:19 < peleg> quanin: invalid syntax 14:20 < peleg> quanin: that's weird, isn't it? 14:20 < quanin> that's one word for it. 14:21 < peleg> quanin: check here: http://rafb.net/p/PjaA1M38.html 14:21 < peleg> that's the output of genaliases 14:22 < quanin> hmm. 14:23 < peleg> quanin: the line itself is just as written in the tutorial that you've send me. 14:24 < quanin> i don't doubt it. 14:24 < peleg> quanin: you should... :-) - here it is: http://rafb.net/p/lumPG864.html 14:30 < quanin> i'm looking, but not finding any reason why it'd flop. 14:30 < sakaal> ahh my recaptcha is now working :) 14:31 < peleg> quanin: ok, I will look and let you know :-) 14:32 < agentbleubleu> so ive opened my sql file in vim and it looks like this :^@N^@T^@O^@ ^@`^@a^@c^@a^@l^@e^@n^@d^@a^@r^@_^@c^@a^@l^@e^@n^@d^@a^@r^@s^@_^@v^@e^@r^@1^@`^@ ^@V^@A^@L^@U^@E^@S^@(^@2^@9^@,^@ ^@'^@2^@9^@'^@)^@??;^@^@I^@N^@S^@E^@R^@T^@ ^@I^@N^@T^@O^@ 14:32 < anderiv> agentbleubleu: that's a binary file. 14:32 < agentbleubleu> its sql 14:32 < agentbleubleu> no idea 14:32 < quanin> nope, that's binary. ;) 14:33 < anderiv> agentbleubleu: does your sql have blob datatypes? 14:33 < agentbleubleu> yea 14:33 < anderiv> those can show up like that sometimes. 14:33 < agentbleubleu> the whole file is like it 14:33 < peleg> quanin: extra whitespace!! 14:33 < anderiv> run `file ` once 14:33 < greco> looks like unicode or double byte stuff 14:34 < peleg> {backspace}MTA instead of MTA ... 14:34 < agentbleubleu> ok 14:34 < greco> agentbleubleu: NTO `acalendar_calendars_ver1` VALUES(29, '29')??;INSERT INTO 14:34 < greco> agentbleubleu: after i removed the NULs 14:34 < anderiv> greco: hehe - nice work :-) 14:34 < agentbleubleu> lol 14:34 < mikegrb> lolz 14:35 < agentbleubleu> thats smart 14:35 < agentbleubleu> how did you do that 14:36 < agentbleubleu> i did file <> 14:36 < agentbleubleu> nothing much happened 14:36 < agentbleubleu> it just outputed the path 14:36 < quanin> peleg: ... craptastic. 14:36 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s68.cinergycom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:36 < peleg> quanin: did you create a user and a group for mailman, or did you use postfix's user and group? 14:36 < greco> well, when you pasted into irc, it was just text so i search/repl the ^@ with nothing. but that probably won't be what you really want to do 14:37 < greco> how did you create the sql file? 14:38 < agentbleubleu> i downloaded if from phpmyadmin in uft-16 mode 14:38 < agentbleubleu> then uploaded it with cyberduck 14:38 -!- esoterik [~esoterik@178.90.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has joined #linode 14:38 < quanin> give mailman its own user/group. you've escentially got 2 mail queues going here. best not give either of them room to munge up each other's queues. 14:38 < peleg> quanin: ok, thanks. 14:39 < greco> ah, download in utf-8 if you can 14:39 < greco> or edit in a utf-16 aware editor 14:40 < agentbleubleu> no it fucks up the french charactors in utf 8 14:40 < quanin> then UTF16 compatible editor it is. 14:40 < greco> yeah, so you'll need a utf-16 editor if you want monkey with the sql file 14:40 < agentbleubleu> ok thats where im having problems as the utf 16 aware editor wont open it as its 45Mg 14:41 < greco> what do you need to do to it? 14:41 < mwalling_> don't dump the entire file 14:41 < mwalling_> er 14:41 < mwalling_> s/file/database 14:41 < agentbleubleu> i have fuckued up something with vim creating a new file called default-ssl.swp how do i delete it 14:42 < anderiv> the same way you delete any other file. 14:42 < anderiv> that file is there probably becuase you didn't shut down a vim session gracefully 14:42 < agentbleubleu> yea 14:42 < mwalling_> you couldnt figure out how to quit? 14:43 < agentbleubleu> not the first time 14:43 < agentbleubleu> got it now 14:43 < agentbleubleu> i can delete it using cyberduck but i dont know how in terminal 14:43 < agentbleubleu> sorry still a noob 14:43 -!- hpj [~hpj@189.190.13.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43 < anderiv> rm 14:43 < agentbleubleu> thanks 14:44 < agentbleubleu> cool 14:44 < agentbleubleu> ok so im going to look at some other editors. 14:44 < agentbleubleu> thanks guys for the help today 14:45 < agentbleubleu> im getting there slowly 14:45 -!- fo0bar [fo0bar@feh.colobox.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:46 < anderiv> agentbleubleu: no prob. Good luck. 14:46 -!- JDLSpeedy [~joe@fl-71-48-245-164.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:49 -!- JDLSpeedy [~joe@fl-71-48-245-164.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #linode 14:55 -!- fo0bar [fo0bar@feh.colobox.com] has joined #linode 14:56 -!- jimcooncat [~jim@pool-71-173-86-112.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #linode 14:56 < esoterik> zomg hello kitty mmo, yes! http://www.hellokittyonline.com/us/ 14:56 < esoterik> hopefully it has pvp 14:57 < mwalling_> *blink* 14:57 < esoterik> haha 14:58 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s19.cinergycom.net] has joined #linode 14:58 -!- shakr [~shakr@whirl.gellin.dyndns.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:58 < sakaal> seems too extreme for me 15:11 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-240-211.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11 < agentbleubleu> Ok a question about setting up domains, I am running virtualmin (like cpanel) that does all the the donkey work in creating new virtual hosts, the question is how do you get to the new virtual host (without pointing the dns at the IP) from the IP, On my other server it was something like IP~username 15:16 < anderiv> agentbleubleu: depends on how you have apache set up. 15:16 < anderiv> oftentimes the easiest is to add an entry to your local hosts file for that domain. 15:17 -!- GekoMan [~nperreaul@207.253.66.227] has joined #linode 15:17 < agentbleubleu> I can get new vurtial hosts set up 15:17 < agentbleubleu> but to test them i have to point the dns at the ip 15:17 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@host-84-9-48-31.dslgb.com] has joined #linode 15:18 < agentbleubleu> but i know i can get around that somehow 15:18 -!- rbrtrx [~rbrtrx@dyn216-8-143-53.ADSL.mnsi.net] has joined #linode --- Log closed Wed Feb 13 15:19:20 2008 --- Log opened Wed Feb 13 15:38:50 2008 15:38 < agentbleubleu> ok so i think i have something, when i goto this address http://host.a-place-in-the-sun.com/ I see the root of the IP. 15:39 < Veiks> no smarthost for e-mails? what could be solution? To configure e-mail server still then? 15:39 < anderiv> Veiks: yup, I'm afraid so. 15:40 < Veiks> Ok then I know. Postfix configuration next thing in tasklist :) 15:41 < agentbleubleu> but i don't see how to get to the virtual host? 15:42 < Tenkawa> Any linode admins watching channel? 15:42 < quanin> they're always watching. 15:42 < Tenkawa> yeah I know 15:42 < iggy> not just the channel 15:42 < Tenkawa> I just need to find the active one 15:42 < iggy> they also have cameras in your shower 15:42 -!- geckom [~geckom@66.220.1.185] has quit [Quit: bah] 15:42 < Tenkawa> iggy: I feel for them then 15:43 < Tenkawa> they'd be better off not seeing whats in my shower 15:43 < Tenkawa> haaahaa 15:43 < quanin> so that's what i stepped on this morning... 15:43 < Tenkawa> haaahaaa 15:44 < agentbleubleu> so no ideas? or have i used up my quota for today? 15:44 < Tenkawa> agentbleubleu: whats the problem? 15:45 < agentbleubleu> its complicated, im trying to check a virtual host from my desktop 15:45 < quanin> angentbleubleu: fire the hostname at me. 15:45 < agentbleubleu> I have added this 66.160.141.87 host.a-place-in-the-sun.com to my /etc/hosts file 15:46 < Tenkawa> damnit I want decent weather!! 15:46 < agentbleubleu> but when i goto http://host.a-place-in-the-sun.com 15:46 < Tenkawa> I want to race my cars/karts damnit 15:46 < agentbleubleu> in my browser it shows me the root of the IP 15:46 < Tenkawa> agentbleubleu: apache? 15:46 < agentbleubleu> not the virtual host 15:46 < agentbleubleu> yes 15:47 < Tenkawa> sounds like your namedvirtualhost setting is wrong in httpd.conf 15:47 < agentbleubleu> apache2 15:47 < Tenkawa> let me check my config 15:47 < Tenkawa> I run about 12 named off this one ip 15:47 < agentbleubleu> im using virtualmin to set up the virtual hosts 15:47 -!- geckom [~geckom@66.220.1.185] has joined #linode 15:48 < quanin> virtualmin doesn't always play nice with apache2 vhosts. 15:48 < agentbleubleu> ah 15:49 < Tenkawa> you got a VirtualHost and ServerName directive in for the host? 15:49 < agentbleubleu> they work fine as long as i point the dns at them 15:49 < agentbleubleu> yes 15:49 < Tenkawa> intriguing 15:49 < agentbleubleu> virtualmin does all that 15:49 -!- avongauss [~avongauss@irc.avongauss.info] has left #linode [] 15:50 -!- clanehin [~lane@cpe-069-134-066-130.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 15:50 -!- avongauss [~avongauss@irc.avongauss.info] has joined #linode 15:51 < peleg> hey, any debian user here? 15:51 < agentbleubleu> ok guys i give up for today, 15:51 < Tenkawa> agentbleubleu: looks fine 15:51 < agentbleubleu> thanks anyway for your help 15:51 < Tenkawa> other than you got your documentroot set wrong 15:51 < agentbleubleu> ah 15:51 < Tenkawa> just msged you running the same test from here 15:51 < zeroday> agentbleubleu, that link doesnt load for me 15:51 < peleg> or any other linux user, actually... do you know how can I retrieve the entire user in my server? 15:52 < geckom> peleg: yeah me 15:52 < Tenkawa> peleg: elaborate 15:52 < quanin> you want to know how to list all of the users currently added to your box? 15:52 < geckom> cat /etc/passwd ? 15:52 < zeroday> uptime should do the trick 15:52 < agentbleubleu> what is msged 15:52 < geckom> oh w 15:52 < zeroday> to check # logged in 15:52 < Tenkawa> agentbleubleu: thats the header I get back 15:52 < peleg> geckom: sound good. 15:52 < geckom> type "w" or "who" 15:52 < Tenkawa> agentbleubleu: which indicates it recognizes the proper namedhost 15:52 < zeroday> oh sweet, didnt know that command 15:53 < peleg> who is only about logged, I think 15:53 < agentbleubleu> ok 15:53 < geckom> oh for a full list of users "cat /etc/passwd" should give you a list 15:53 < agentbleubleu> im still lost 15:53 < Tenkawa> but the documentroot appears not to be correct...OR theres additional entries 15:53 < agentbleubleu> lol 15:53 < mikegrb> lolz 15:53 < agentbleubleu> its proberbly the doc root not correct 15:53 < Tenkawa> mikegrb: you with linode arent you? 15:54 < geckom> peleg: that help? 15:54 < agentbleubleu> as that is in / var/www 15:54 < quanin> he's not actually here. that's a trigger. 15:54 < Tenkawa> thats right 15:54 < agentbleubleu> lol 15:54 < mikegrb> lolz 15:54 < Tenkawa> darnit 15:54 < peleg> geckom: helped, thanks! well, the thing is that I use mailman now, and I have created mailmanuser, but I am not sure that mailman actually uses that user. why would it? can I assign the SCRIPT itself to the user that I have created for it? 15:55 < Tenkawa> agentbleubleu: yeah.. needs to point to specific dir that one website is in 15:55 < agentbleubleu> the virtual hosts are in /home/username/public_html 15:55 < peleg> geckom: I can see in my list that postfix, mysql, etc created users for themselves. 15:55 < Tenkawa> ahhh 15:55 < peleg> geckom: but mailman didn't 15:55 < Tenkawa> yeah.. point DocumentRoot to one of those 15:55 < Tenkawa> or add a regexp to use name completion 15:55 < agentbleubleu> how to do that 15:56 < Tenkawa> virtualmin doesnt give you an option for doc root? 15:56 < agentbleubleu> no] 15:56 < peleg> geckom, quanin: maybe I SHOULD use the defaults of debian, that is "list" as a user and "daemon" as a group? 15:56 < Tenkawa> ewww 15:56 < agentbleubleu> not that i saw 15:57 < Tenkawa> I do all my edits by hand so I really cant help via that utility 15:57 < agentbleubleu> how to point do root 15:57 < Tenkawa> you can look in /etc/apache2/ 15:57 < agentbleubleu> mod_rewrite 15:57 < geckom> peleg: sorry gtg to work 15:57 < Tenkawa> sites-available should have them 15:57 < geckom> good luck 15:57 < peleg> ok :-) 15:57 -!- l0uis_ is now known as l0uis 15:58 < Tenkawa> 1 hour till I leave for the hockey game yay 15:58 < agentbleubleu> I know where they are I think, I just dont know how to point from that root to them VHs 16:00 < agentbleubleu> they are all in /etc/apache2/sites-availible 16:00 < Tenkawa> yep 16:00 < peleg> zeroday: do you know how can I check the permissions of a file? 16:00 < agentbleubleu> should i edit the default one 16:01 < zeroday> ls -l? 16:01 < peleg> thanks 16:01 < peleg> sorry, I'm quite new with linux... :-) 16:01 < Tenkawa> holy crap 16:01 < Tenkawa> http://jalopnik.com/355967/man-builds-full-scale-mercedes-f1-from-956000-matchsticks 16:01 < caker> just saw that -- stupid :) 16:01 < Tenkawa> but damn creative 16:02 -!- jimcooncat [~jim@pool-71-173-86-112.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:02 < Tenkawa> and damn good job actually doing it though 16:02 < Tenkawa> but wow 16:02 < caker> http://www.yikers.com/video_man_builds_miniature_fully_working_ferrari.html <-- much better. The engine sounds awesome 16:03 < agentbleubleu> ok guys thanks for your help 16:03 * Tenkawa checks it out 16:03 < agentbleubleu> im going to say night its late here 16:03 < Tenkawa> caker: hey.. mind if I msg you 2 term of service q's? 16:04 < caker> not at all 16:04 < Tenkawa> ok.. just a sec 16:04 < Tenkawa> gotta check out thi vid 16:05 < Tenkawa> OH.. 16:05 < Tenkawa> he's an engineer 16:05 < Tenkawa> oh wow 16:05 < Tenkawa> thats one of the 60's ferraris 16:06 < Tenkawa> that is absolutely amazing 16:07 < agentbleubleu> would this work changing this RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/ 16:07 < Tenkawa> omg that would be an awesome rc car 16:08 < Tenkawa> caker: thank you for pasting that link 16:09 -!- Deckert [~Deckert@dsl-240-179-42.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:09 -!- Deckert [~Deckert@dsl-240-179-42.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #linode 16:10 -!- brtb [~brtb@linode.brtb.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:10 -!- brtb [~brtb@linode.brtb.net] has joined #linode 16:10 -!- brtb is now known as Guest1419 16:11 < agentbleubleu> hey hey i did it 16:12 < agentbleubleu> it works 16:12 < agentbleubleu> thanks again, im really off now, head needs a tablet. 16:14 -!- agentbleubleu [~agentbleu@lns-bzn-54-82-251-88-53.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: agentbleubleu] 16:14 -!- mwalling_ is now known as mwalling 16:16 -!- suzy35 [~suzy35@ANantes-257-1-94-126.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #linode 16:17 -!- fake_ [~fake@rrcs-72-43-24-86.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: fake_] 16:18 -!- suzy35 [~suzy35@ANantes-257-1-94-126.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 16:24 -!- Battousai [~bryan@maduin.southcape.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:24 -!- Battousai [~bryan@maduin.southcape.org] has joined #linode 16:28 -!- mwalling_ [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has joined #linode 16:32 -!- Cnl_Delta [Cnl_Delta@61.17.220.43] has quit [] 16:43 -!- dillytaint [~dillytain@CPE-65-31-214-249.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 16:45 -!- JDLSpeedy [~joe@fl-71-48-245-164.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:46 -!- shakr [~shakr@whirl.gellin.dyndns.org] has joined #linode 16:51 -!- JDLSpeedy [~joe@fl-71-48-245-164.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #linode 16:55 -!- W|GGL|T [~all@pool-72-66-31-229.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #linode 16:57 -!- pfein [~pfein@18.sub-75-222-26.myvzw.com] has joined #linode 17:00 -!- nimaj [~urbs@65.171.253.66] has joined #linode 17:03 -!- Veiks [~50eb4529@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06 -!- pfein [~pfein@18.sub-75-222-26.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:07 -!- Antitribu [~simon@li9-122.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 17:07 -!- Antitribu [~simon@li9-122.members.linode.com] has left #linode [] 17:07 -!- pfein [~pfein@18.sub-75-222-26.myvzw.com] has joined #linode 17:13 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:14 -!- mwalling_ [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has quit [Quit: rebooting router] 17:16 -!- mwalling_ [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has joined #linode 17:17 < linbot> New news from forums: Subfolders with Dovecot/Postfix in Email/SMTP Related Forum 17:27 -!- andrew_j_w [~andrew@88-97-29-168.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27 -!- Pryon [~Pryon@c-76-18-90-150.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #linode 17:28 -!- Ciaran [~ciaran@host217-44-59-119.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #linode 17:28 < Ciaran> Heya. Is anything up with host110? 17:29 < Ciaran> I'm getting a lot of packet loss. Another DDoS, I guess? 17:29 < caker> looks fine here 17:29 < Ciaran> Hmm. 17:29 -!- silverblade [~silverbla@80.175.108.189] has joined #linode 17:29 < Ciaran> Weird. I'm getting 80-90% packet loss on it, and to my other server at ThePlanet, but pings elsewhere are fine. 17:30 < silverblade> im getting packet loss... 17:30 < silverblade> 76 packets transmitted, 16 received, 78% packet loss, time 74999ms 17:30 < caker> traceroute people! :) 17:30 < caker> pings are useless 17:30 < silverblade> i cant even get on www.linode.org 17:30 < Ciaran> One coming up... 17:30 < caker> or even better: mtr http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ 17:30 < Bdragon> err 17:30 < Bdragon> it's linode.com, is it not? 17:30 < silverblade> er 17:30 < silverblade> both have worked for me in the past 17:30 < caker> both work 17:31 < silverblade> .com isnt responding 17:31 -!- chargrill [~kent@atbash.c2group.net] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 17:31 < caker> t r a c e r o u t e 17:31 < silverblade> working on it 17:31 < caker> :) 17:31 * Talman has used mtr, and a dallas Level 3 router is getting 90% loss. 17:31 < Bdragon> Err 17:32 < Bdragon> NTT seems to be having a sick day 17:32 < Talman> Level 3 and ganx is having ... issues. 17:32 < silverblade> http://rafb.net/p/oeAz3e68.html 17:32 < mwalling_> http://p.linode.com/277 17:32 < Talman> What am I hitting, btw, caker? :) 17:32 < mwalling_> thats pretty good for me... 17:32 < Ciaran> caker: http://ciaran.no-ip.com/~ciaran/linode-traceroute.txt 17:32 * Talman also notes that my VoIP lines are useless. 17:32 < silverblade> this ones to linode.com - http://rafb.net/p/0z4Kyq71.html 17:33 < Bdragon> according to http://scoreboard.keynote.com/scoreboard/Main.aspx 17:33 < Bdragon> (public:public) 17:33 < mwalling_> guy in freenode/#postfix says he cant get to linode.com 17:34 < Bdragon> Hmm, the 4 hour shows some level3 problems as well... 17:34 < Talman> I can, but barely. What I can't get to is Univ. o Chicago. 17:35 < Bdragon> Odd to see one way failures like that... 17:35 < Talman> Running winmtr on www.linode.com 17:36 < Talman> ae-14-69.car4.Dallas1.Level3.net has a 10-15% packet loss. 17:36 -!- mwalling_ [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36 < silverblade> another guy in a different channel on freenode also cant get to linode.com ;) 17:36 < Talman> Which is better than the 80% from this morning. :) 17:36 < Bdragon> WHAT? ROUTE? IS? IT? TAKING? 17:37 < silverblade> ive pasted my traceroutes. 17:37 < Talman> The same route it always takes. :) 17:37 < Bdragon> That was @ Talman ;) 17:37 -!- mariorz [~mariorz@li10-58.members.linode.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 17:37 < Talman> mtr is up on pastebin. 17:37 -!- mariorz [~mariorz@li10-58.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 17:37 < Talman> our pastebin. 17:38 < Bdragon> My bad if I missed it ;) 17:38 < Talman> http://p.linode.com/278 17:38 < Talman> Comcast is also annoying me, but I expect that. Its cold. Snow gets in the tubes. 17:38 -!- slashtom [~tom@k-rad.co.uk] has quit [resistance.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net] 17:38 < silverblade> frozen intertubes 17:39 < Talman> Yep. 17:39 < Talman> Making my VoIPs fail. 17:39 < Bdragon> Looks like I'm getting via savvis... 17:39 * Talman is going comcast/level3/theplanet 17:40 < Talman> So, direct route to level 3. 17:40 -!- mwalling_ [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has joined #linode 17:40 < Bdragon> HughesNet <-> XO <-> Savvis <-> TP 17:45 -!- Alucard [Hellsing@71-88-98-242.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #linode 17:45 < Alucard> forgive me for just getting here... linode.com down? dallas DC down? --- Log closed Wed Feb 13 17:51:25 2008 --- Log opened Wed Feb 13 17:53:04 2008 17:53 -!- scorche|sh [~scorche@squisch.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:53 -!- mikegrb [~michael@67.18.92.220] has joined #linode 17:53 -!- mode/#linode [+o mikegrb] by ChanServ 17:53 -!- caker [~caker@ns.theshore.net] has joined #linode 17:53 -!- scott [~scott@scott.netop.oftc.net] has joined #linode 17:53 -!- pfein [~pfein@18.sub-75-222-26.myvzw.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:53 -!- encode [~AccessDen@124-168-208-27.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #linode 17:53 < Bdragon> Or something spontaneously deciding to halt-catch-fire 17:53 < Crispy_> bd_: I can't think of any other common reason that would cause regular, large packet loss. 17:53 -!- blithe [~blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com] has joined #linode 17:57 -!- pfein [~pfein@18.sub-75-222-26.myvzw.com] has joined #linode --- Log closed Wed Feb 13 18:03:38 2008 --- Log opened Wed Feb 13 18:03:51 2008 18:03 < alnr> is DL having any network issues 18:04 < Bezerker> yep 18:04 < silverblade> of course not. 18:04 < sakaal> my home machine doesnt find my linode by DNS name, but does with IP 18:04 < Bezerker> :P 18:04 < peleg> ainr: linode's dallas datacenter is having issues 18:04 < Bdragon> alnr: Boy, is it EVER :P 18:04 -!- pleia2 [~lyz@your.worshipfulness.princessleia.com] has joined #linode 18:04 < alnr> heh, how long, i've been blissfully unaware 18:04 < mattskr> It is???? Maybe I really SHOULD walk over there =) 18:04 < peleg> ainr: a few minutes. 18:04 < mattskr> I'm on Atlanta --- Log opened Wed Feb 13 18:07:13 2008 18:07 < bd_> which proceeded to drop 90% on the floor 18:07 < purrdeta> lol 18:07 < mikegrb> lolz 18:07 -!- warewolf [warewolf@warewolf.org] has joined #linode 18:08 < Bdragon> *some* outgoing routes through L3 18:08 < tierra> this has been happening a lot recently... 3 times in the last month that I'm aware of... it's getting annoying 18:08 < Bezerker> really? first time ive noticedi t 18:08 -!- TJF [~TJF@pat.foulston.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08 < purrdeta> first time I have noticed anything too :/ 18:08 < Bdragon> heh 18:08 -!- drowe [~drowe@ip68-229-187-87.om.om.cox.net] has quit [Quit: back up] 18:08 < Bdragon> http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg06050.html 18:08 < tierra> not to say it was necessarily L3's fault the other 2 times 18:08 -!- peleg [~peleg@82-35-74-37.cable.ubr02.dals.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:08 < mattskr> what is this internetpulse.net? is that all the internet's major backbones? 18:08 < Athenon> i think so yep 18:09 < tierra> one of the other times, it was Savvis 18:09 < Bezerker> honestly, l3 is at least to me known for issues like this. 18:09 < Bezerker> in my experience at least 18:09 < tierra> yeah, I'd agree 18:09 -!- Majes [majes@vs3.brokensphere.net] has joined #linode 18:09 < Bezerker> them and above.net are commonly having issues 18:09 -!- rrregis [~rsmith@ppp-69-233-25-47.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:11 -!- Battousai [~bryan@maduin.southcape.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:11 -!- peleg [~peleg@82-35-74-37.cable.ubr02.dals.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #linode 18:11 -!- Megaversal [~455d7f80@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11 < bd_> I'm surprised it took so long ... couldn't TP have disabled their T3 peerings to route around the problem or something? 18:11 < Bdragon> No 18:11 < Bdragon> Other places use l3 to get TO theplanet 18:11 < Bdragon> It's a bunch of peering agreements... 18:11 < alnr> hmm does ATL block irc 18:11 -!- scorche|w [~42c007b2@ice.cream.org] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)] 18:11 < mwalling_> yes 18:11 -!- scorche|w [~42c007b2@squisch.net] has joined #linode 18:11 < purrdeta> alnr: yes the common ports at least :) 18:11 < bd_> Bdragon: my route didn't pass through L3 to get TO theplanet 18:11 < mwalling_> on the standard port... you can use an alternate port 18:11 < Bdragon> bd_: That's because there's multiple carriers. 18:11 < bd_> it did on the return path 18:11 < alnr> what port works for oftc 18:11 < bd_> Bdragon: right, so why can't TP just shut off L3 until they fix ti? 18:11 -!- Battousai [~bryan@maduin.southcape.org] has joined #linode 18:11 < alnr> s/port/alt port/ 18:11 < bd_> and route through those other carriers 18:11 < Bdragon> bd_: Point... 18:12 < Bdragon> bd_: Dunno. 18:12 < Bdragon> http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg06067.html 18:12 < Eman> Bdragon / opello: either of you guys used any form of bootable pci card in your ex-linodes? both cards ive tried (that i know work) never manage to bring up their configuration screens 18:12 < Bdragon> Eman: Sorry, haven't... 18:13 < Eman> :/ 18:13 < Bdragon> Eman: I only know how to use bootable ISA cards in any case ;) 18:13 < bd_> Bdragon: hm, that was a few hours ago though 18:13 < Eman> i hope this bios update thats available fixes it 18:13 < Bdragon> bd_: Any outage can cause ripples... Or it could be an unrelated issue... 18:14 < bd_> http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg06054.html apparently 18:14 -!- mwalling__ [~mwalling@you.dontlike.us] has joined #linode 18:15 -!- zeroday [~zeroday@i.loled.net] has joined #linode 18:15 < zeroday> what just happened? 18:15 < sakaal> my linode is working again 18:15 -!- srw [~scott@S0106001310e37401.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #linode 18:15 < bd_> zeroday: Level3 exploded, taking out innocent datacenters in the process :/ 18:15 < Talman> yes 18:15 < Rifkin> boat anchor 18:15 < bd_> http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg06054.html 18:16 < zeroday> :/ 18:16 -!- knix [knix@knix.mine.nu] has joined #linode 18:16 < knix> Did linode just get ... unplugged? 18:16 < Bdragon> knix: level3 having issues. 18:17 < Talman> can't get to my node or linode.com 18:17 < knix> Yea mine just came back 18:17 < knix> But I noticed I couldn't even get to linode.com 18:17 < zeroday> how long ago did this happen? 18:18 < zeroday> I was busy working when I opened irc 18:18 < bd_> zeroday: an hour or two I think 18:18 < iggy> 15 mins or so 18:18 < iggy> hmm 18:18 < bd_> 17:42 EST or so 18:18 < iggy> we only heard about it in here 15 mins or so 18:18 < zeroday> yike 18:18 < zeroday> s 18:19 < iggy> or longer, I just didn't notice apparently 18:19 < Ciaran> I hear from a friend that Level3 was causing problems last night too. I don't know what problems, though. 18:20 < Bdragon> Looks like they're doing software upgrades... 18:20 < Ciaran> Or if it was Linode access problems or not. 18:20 < zeroday> I managed to ssh back in 18:20 -!- Athenon [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:21 < silverblade> A recent survey has revealed that 1 in 8 pings like to pong. 18:21 < Majes> hehe, more like 1 in 0 ATM 18:21 < Majes> 10* 18:22 < silverblade> you experienced a binary overflow? 18:23 -!- otherbbs [~4ce339a9@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 18:24 -!- zeroday_ [~zeroday@i.loled.net] has joined #linode 18:25 -!- zeroday_ [~zeroday@i.loled.net] has quit [] 18:32 -!- Kenobi [alucard@71-88-98-242.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #linode 18:35 -!- peleg [~peleg@82-35-74-37.cable.ubr02.dals.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:40 -!- pfein [~pfein@18.sub-75-222-26.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:41 -!- Bezerker [~bezerker@cpe-24-90-103-181.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:46 < Eman> so ive found why the bootable cards dont want to work 18:46 < Eman> mobo has a bad pci slot 18:50 < Ciaran> Ooo, looks okay now. 18:51 < Ciaran> Looks like the issues have been sorted. 18:51 < Ciaran> No packet loss \o/ 18:51 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 18:52 -!- rubenv [~ruben@kotnet-149.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #linode 18:52 < rubenv> are there problems in dallas? 18:53 * rubenv is unable to contact anything linode related 18:53 < Ciaran> rubenv: There *were* issues with level3, but I think they just got resolved. 18:53 < rubenv> my linode is unreachable, as is linode.com 18:53 < Ciaran> Still? 18:53 < Ciaran> My Linode was unreachable up until about 2 minutes ago. 18:53 < rubenv> Ciaran: ah no 18:54 < rubenv> as you said, it has just been resolved 18:54 < Ciaran> *nods* 18:54 < rubenv> fantastic :-) 18:54 -!- otherbbs_ [~4ce339a9@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 18:54 -!- Alucard [Hellsing@71-88-98-242.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Quit: You must unlearn what you have learned. - Yoda] 18:58 -!- ElectricElf [~dbharris@bas1-toronto48-1279276359.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:58 -!- ElectricElf [~dbharris@bas1-toronto48-1279276359.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #linode 18:58 -!- bryan [~bryan@ramuh.v0-1.southcape.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:01 < opello> Eman: negative 19:03 -!- darkbeholder [darkbehold@c220-239-19-146.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #linode 19:07 -!- JasonF [~jay@viagra.oldos.org] has joined #linode 19:09 -!- nimaj [~urbs@65.171.253.66] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:10 -!- Bdragon28 [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has joined #linode 19:12 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12 -!- Bdragon28 is now known as Bdragon 19:14 -!- phlaegel_ [~neh@S01060016b619a773.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:14 -!- phlaegel [~neh@S01060016b619a773.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #linode 19:15 -!- rubenv [~ruben@kotnet-149.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:17 -!- otherbbs_ [~4ce339a9@webuser.linode.com] has left #linode [] 19:27 -!- dc0e [~dc0e@c-69-243-116-60.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:28 * Ciaran disappears. Thanks for the help. :D 19:28 -!- dc0e [~dc0e@c-69-243-116-60.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #linode 19:28 -!- Ciaran [~ciaran@host217-44-59-119.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Byeeees!] 19:28 -!- srw [~scott@S0106001310e37401.ss.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:36 -!- dc0e [~dc0e@c-69-243-116-60.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:41 -!- garo [~garo-ircc@d54C3F105.access.telenet.be] has left #linode [] 19:43 -!- encode_ [~encode@70.85.16.92] has joined #linode 19:45 -!- DannyG [~DannyG@host86-135-226-198.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #linode 19:46 -!- dc0e [~dc0e@c-69-243-116-60.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #linode 19:46 < DannyG> Hey, got any test pings/download files for the Georgia datacentre? 19:46 < caker> http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636 <-- DannyG 19:47 < DannyG> Cheers 19:48 < guinea-pig> you've got a DC in Georgia now? 19:48 < guinea-pig> oh atlanta. hahah 19:48 < mwalling_> guinea-pig: atlanta is the state capital of ga... 19:48 < guinea-pig> mwalling_: bullocks! 19:52 -!- DannyG [~DannyG@host86-135-226-198.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: DannyG] 19:53 -!- nobius [~jacksprat@c-69-251-252-133.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #linode 19:54 < nobius> anyone actually in here right now? 19:54 < mwalling_> yeah 19:55 -!- mode/#linode [+o caker] by ChanServ 19:55 -!- mode/#linode [+o linbot] by caker 19:55 < nobius> i just joined linode about on monday....i didn't actually start any services on my linode, althought i did boot it and i got a wierd alert today about my cpu usage 19:56 < nobius> "Your Linode (nobius) has exceeded the notification threshold for CPU Usage by averaging 100.0% for the last 2 hours." 19:56 < caker> it's a new feature: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3077 19:56 < nobius> right, but it says ive been using CPU....i don't have anything actually running on it 19:56 -!- CDMoyer [~cmoyer@darkwing.inarow.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:56 -!- CDMoyer [~cmoyer@darkwing.inarow.net] has joined #linode 19:57 < Bdragon> nobius: Top does not confirm? 19:57 < tozz> nobius: started it and didn't configure it? 19:58 < nobius> i bounced it 19:58 < mwalling_> 3 days to get powned? that a new record? 19:58 < nobius> so i didn't look at top before 19:58 < nobius> but strangely 19:58 -!- Talman [~lazy@c-75-64-155-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:58 -!- Talman [~lazy@c-75-64-155-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #linode 19:58 < guinea-pig> mwalling_: i had a redhat system get rooted 4 times in one week many years ago 19:58 < nobius> cpu was pegged, with no inet traffic 19:58 < caker> 3 days? try within a few hours... 19:59 < nobius> so i have no clue what it was doing 19:59 < guinea-pig> of course, i didn't install it... i just had the misfortune to physically touch it 19:59 < nobius> history is no help 19:59 < nobius> no extras users added 19:59 < mwalling_> bah, not a slackware box... the kiddies wouldn't know how to use it :D 19:59 < nobius> nothing running after i rebooted it 19:59 < caker> mwalling_: heh 19:59 < Bdragon> heh 19:59 < nobius> im running ubuntu 19:59 < tozz> nobius: they run all their shit hidden 19:59 < tozz> evil kiddies 19:59 < caker> nobius: what was pegging CPU? 20:00 < tozz> but if you didn't configure it correctly and just have it running you're going to get owned, fast 20:00 < nobius> no clue...i bounced it (without thinking) before logging in...... 20:01 < tozz> well here's the upside with linode, just delete the images and start over 20:01 < tozz> it's all good 20:01 < tozz> ^_^ 20:01 -!- Deckert [~Deckert@dsl-240-179-42.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:01 -!- Deckert [~Deckert@dsl-240-179-42.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #linode 20:01 < nobius> yea, i figured as much...but wanted to get some outside insight...so others agree it was probably rooted? 20:01 < nobius> http://pastebin.linode.com/280 20:01 < nobius> top doesn't show anything now 20:02 < Bdragon> dunno, probabaly worth running chkrootkit 20:02 -!- Infinito [argos@201-2-76-248.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #linode 20:02 < nobius> i would have thought that the default install would be fairly locked down 20:02 < caker> the default installs just have sshd running, with the root pass the end user supplies 20:02 < guinea-pig> that would depend on the distro, surely 20:02 < nobius> cuz i although i installed java and tomcat, i didn't actually run anything.....never even started tomcat 20:03 < guinea-pig> caker: when was the last time you ran security updates on some of the images? 20:03 < caker> guinea-pig: when we made them 20:03 < caker> :> 20:04 < guinea-pig> okay. how old are some of the images :P 20:04 < nobius> i don't mind re-imaging, cuz like i said i haven't done anything..but i did want to know if i needed to take extra precautions AFTER the re-imaging......and based on caker's response, that sounds like a yes 20:04 < nobius> :-) 20:04 < bd_> nobius: you could enter finnix on your first boot, chroot, and run security updates 20:05 < caker> the first step after any install would be to run an update 20:05 < tozz> update, disable root login in sshd, change sshd port 20:05 < caker> and there aren't any remotely exploitable issues with sshd in any of the current distros that we offer, to my knowledge 20:05 < tozz> start using keys instead of passwords 20:05 -!- mwalling_ [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has quit [Quit: rebootin router again.... damn zombies] 20:06 < caker> who knows -- it could have been a stuck vim session or something else weird 20:06 < tozz> and don't use "god", "sex" or "password" as per hackers ;) 20:06 < nobius> that works for me.....won't bother with finnix, cuz i haven't done anything worthwhile...... 20:06 < caker> I've also seen Lish spin before (which runs as your user, and counts towards the CPU graphs) 20:06 < caker> nobius: had you used Lish and gotten disconnected or something weird? 20:06 -!- mode/#linode [-o linbot] by ChanServ 20:06 < nobius> that might have actually happened 20:06 -!- mode/#linode [+o linbot] by caker 20:07 < guinea-pig> linbot: rr 20:07 < linbot> guinea-pig: *click* 20:07 -!- mwalling_ [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has joined #linode 20:08 < nobius> i had a couple of disconnects; im behind a router with NAT, so i changed the "ClientAliveInterval" in the sshd_config (something i read somewhere) but before that i had a couple of disconnects 20:09 -!- Deckert [~Deckert@dsl-240-179-42.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:09 < nobius> im gonna re-img....run the updates and basically follow tozz's advice 20:09 < mwalling__> !rr 20:09 < linbot> mwalling__: *click* 20:09 < mwalling__> wait... how many _ do i have 20:09 -!- mwalling__ is now known as mwalling 20:10 < nobius> but i wanted to get some feedback on how likely it was that the svr was comprimised 20:10 < nobius> thanks......what is the bot "clicking" for? 20:10 < scorche|w> !rr 20:10 < linbot> scorche|w: *click* 20:11 < mwalling_> !rr 20:11 < linbot> mwalling_: *click* 20:11 < scorche|w> nobius: do "!rr" and find out 20:11 < nobius> !rr 20:11 < linbot> nobius: *click* 20:11 < scorche|w> once more 20:11 < nobius> ummm no 20:11 < tierra> you have to take turns 20:11 < tierra> and it's yours! 20:11 < scorche|w> >_> 20:11 < scorche|w> <_< 20:11 < scorche|w> tierra: i dont see you taking a shot :) 20:12 < nobius> ha 20:12 < tierra> !rr 20:12 -!- tierra was kicked from #linode by linbot [BANG!] 20:12 * linbot reloads and spins the chambers. 20:12 < nobius> get it now 20:12 -!- tierra [~tierra@ibaku.net] has joined #linode 20:12 < tierra> :) 20:12 < nobius> got it just as tierra got dead 20:12 < mwalling_> nobius: !rr is ann alias to !rulete 20:12 < scorche|w> 5 in a row...that wasnt a bad run 20:12 < mwalling_> but people like me cant spell it, so its rr instead 20:12 < nobius> where might i find the list of all the commands? 20:13 < caker> nobius: all the commands of what? 20:14 < caker> POLL: at your root prompt 20:14 < caker> Display all 1020 possibilities? (y or n) 20:14 < nobius> i meant for the bot in this chanel :-) 20:15 < caker> nobius: /msg linbot list 20:15 < nobius> gracias 20:15 < caker> then list 20:16 < guinea-pig> caker: howcome rr isn't in there? 20:16 < bd_> Display all 1482 possibilities? (y or n) 20:16 < caker> guinea-pig: list games 20:16 -!- scorche|w [~42c007b2@squisch.net] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)] 20:16 < guinea-pig> caker: linode or home? 20:17 < caker> guinea-pig: either ... 20:17 < caker> There are 1724 possibilities. Do you really wish to see them all? (y or n) <-- another box 20:17 < guinea-pig> linode: 1166, home 3216 20:17 < caker> geesh 20:17 < bd_> 1482 linode, 3183 laptop, 2688 PC :# 20:17 < guinea-pig> i know. it's sick 20:18 < mwalling_> :( R.I.P. hydrogen 20:18 < mwalling_> ( ^^ my router) 20:18 < guinea-pig> long live helium! 20:18 < mwalling_> heh 20:18 < mwalling_> thats my 64 bit box 20:19 < guinea-pig> surely your 64 bit box should be gadolinium 20:19 < mwalling_> cant spell that 20:19 < mwalling_> the boxes are named after elements i can spell :P 20:21 < klaruz> so i finally got around to rebooting my linode to get more ram 20:21 < guinea-pig> heh 20:21 < klaruz> and i see there's a new kernel that fixes the local exploit 20:21 < guinea-pig> and a secured kernel? :P 20:21 < klaruz> but it as a bug in sleep() ? 20:22 < guinea-pig> use latest 2.6 20:22 < bd_> klaruz: the new 2.6.23.x one has the fix and isn't broken 20:22 < klaruz> ahh ok i misread the posting i am on latest 2.6 20:23 < klaruz> i'm the only shell user on my host :) wasn't too worried about the exploit 20:23 < klaruz> but i figured it was time 20:25 -!- hpj [~hpj@189.190.13.164] has joined #linode 20:25 < klaruz> ok, so now that i've rebooted and theplanet is working again i'll log off and not check linode's forums till next month 20:25 < klaruz> and find out you guys double ram 5 minutes later 20:26 < klaruz> is there a reason we don't get emails when the awesome happens? 20:28 < bd_> klaruz: hit 'watch this forum for posts' on the announcement forum 20:28 < bd_> or put it in your feedreader 20:29 < klaruz> ahh great 20:29 < klaruz> watching now 20:41 -!- bushblows [bushblows@titan.blinkenshell.org] has quit [Quit: billary clinton for president!!!] 20:46 -!- JDLSpeedy [~joe@fl-71-1-146-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #linode 20:51 -!- JDLSpeedy [~joe@fl-71-1-146-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 20:59 -!- besonen_mobile__ [~besonen_m@71-221-83-253.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #linode 21:03 -!- JDLSpeedy [~joe@fl-71-1-146-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #linode 21:05 -!- besonen_mobile_ [~besonen_m@71-220-198-145.eugn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:19 -!- brough [~brough@broughcut.plus.com] has joined #linode 21:20 < brough> I suppose this is one for the forums (or earlier in the day) but would linode be able to arrange a dedicated server at The Planet and their arch linux image? 21:21 < caker> brough: hello 21:21 < brough> *with their... the cookie-cutter budget options from planet don't seem very appealing 21:21 < brough> @caker, hey. :) 21:21 < caker> we don't have relations with TP for that kinda thing... 21:21 < caker> you could always bootstrap your own distro install overtop of theirs, but I'm sure that likely violates or voids some of their support/services 21:22 < JasonF> brough: just buy a big linode. 21:22 < caker> brough: how are we doing (linode) for you? 21:22 < brough> oh well. may need to learn another distro.... one of the sites I'm interfacing with has a dedi at the planet and I'm getting a 0.6ms ping from the vps... hence myinterest (and it's also a greatd dc of course) 21:23 < brough> @caker, oh absolutely great. This is for something that needs a lot of cpu (scraping/parsing) rather than a regular app. 21:23 < caker> good to hear it 21:23 -!- avongauss [~avongauss@irc.avongauss.info] has joined #linode 21:23 < brough> JasonF, I looked into that... might me an option. a contention of 10 wouldn't be so bad. 21:24 < caker> there's always a xen Linode, too 21:24 < caker> lotsaCPU 21:24 < brough> yeah, is it worth migrating? much of a performance boost? 21:24 < brough> ah, ok. 21:24 < Talman> 4 cores. 21:24 < caker> SMP (4 cores vs 1), plus little overhead 21:24 < caker> sub 2-minute kernel builds :> 21:25 < mwalling_> -j5? 21:25 < caker> something like that, yeah 21:25 < Talman> Gentoo user. :| 21:25 < Talman> :) 21:25 < caker> -j5 is not Gentoo specific, fwiw 21:25 < caker> er -jN 21:26 < mwalling_> does that mean i can slap Talman ? 21:26 -!- nobius [~jacksprat@c-69-251-252-133.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26 < Talman> No, it doesn't. :) 21:26 < Talman> And I know. 21:26 -!- besonen_mobile_ [~besonen_m@71-220-235-129.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #linode 21:27 < Talman> Technically, I shouldn't call you a Gentoo user till you start putting really interesting ccflags. 21:27 * mwalling_ is kinda insulted 21:27 < Talman> Why, mwalling? 21:27 < mwalling_> ...... 21:27 < brough> signed up for xen. 21:27 < Talman> There's nothing wrong with being a Gentoo user. And doesn't linode's web server run on Gentoo? 21:28 < mwalling_> comeon... you must be the only person in this channel who doesn't know what my favorite distrro is 21:28 < caker> heh 21:28 < JasonF> Gentoo is OK. 21:28 < mwalling_> mikegrb: wanna tell Talman ? 21:28 < JasonF> I love Debutu at this point though. 21:29 < Talman> I woke up literally 2 minutes ago. And I was calling caker a Gentoo user, not you. :) 21:29 < purrdeta> Heh I like my xen linode because the host is always idle :D 21:29 < Talman> So do I. :) 21:29 < Talman> I have used 3% host processor. 21:29 < brough> I got told off for using arch in production in their irc channel the other day (b/c it's a rolling release) but I love it. 21:29 * mwalling_ is glad he 21:29 < mwalling_> s not on zunzun's host 21:30 * caker does not use Gentoo 21:30 < caker> I use Red Hat 6.2 21:30 < guinea-pig> oh hey caker 21:30 < Talman> I used to use that. Once. Now, why do you use RH 6.2? 21:30 < JasonF> caker is trolling! 21:30 < caker> I'm a non conformist 21:31 < caker> JasonF: nuh uhhh! 21:31 < opello> caker: that's not even funny :p 21:31 < guinea-pig> apparantly openssh 4.7 offers some window-sizing improvements over 4.6... should greatly speed up migrations 21:31 < Talman> Its hilarious, actually. :) 21:31 < caker> [root@nova /root]# cat /etc/redhat-release 21:31 < caker> Red Hat Linux release 6.2 (Zoot) 21:31 < opello> caker: had to help fix our pick-n-place that was running red hat 6.2 :p 21:31 -!- besonen_mobile__ [~besonen_m@71-221-83-253.eugn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:31 < opello> hard drive died 21:32 * Talman took two Red Hat 6.2 boxes to Gentoo 2003. 21:32 < purrdeta> I have used 5 % of my host cpu :P 21:32 < JasonF> caker: you should let me have a linode 64 again for $5/mo instead of $20/mo for 360 21:32 < guinea-pig> take two red hats and call me in the morning 21:32 < JasonF> I worked so hard to get my web server working in 64mb ram 21:32 < JasonF> Hostname: viagra - OS: Linux 2.6.23.12-linode41/i686 - CPU: UML ( MHz) - Processes: 55 - Uptime: 2d 1h 58m - Load Average: 0.02 - Memory Usage: 68.89MB/347.77MB (19.81%) - Disk Usage: 4.58GB/10.28GB (44.59%) 21:32 < caker> JasonF: sub $20 Linodes are not going to happen, sorry 21:32 < Talman> When I left, the poor bastards went to Windows because Gentoo scared the kid they hired for sysadmin. 21:32 < guinea-pig> JasonF: suck it up and pay $20. unless you're 10 years old 21:32 < JasonF> caker: I'm half-joking 21:32 < caker> nod 21:32 < guinea-pig> but then you don't have a credit card, so :P 21:32 < caker> hey .. walmart has pre-paid credit card things now 21:32 -!- warezwolf [~warewolf@pool-72-83-150-24.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: *_BAMF_*] 21:32 < JasonF> I'll never complain about the service I get from linode for the price :) 21:33 < caker> saw the commercial tonight 21:33 < Talman> Green Dot. 21:33 < JasonF> it's ridiculously good. 21:33 < JasonF> I thought I could get cheaper/better and I got bitchslapped by reality and came running back to the green cube ;) 21:33 < Talman> Who'd you bend over for? 21:33 < JasonF> local place. 21:34 -!- Infinito [argos@201-2-76-248.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 21:34 < Bdragon> oof 21:34 < guinea-pig> doctormo: i had 5 dohickey downloads today! 3 with apt-get :D 21:34 < mwalling_> oh what the hell 21:34 < guinea-pig> oh 21:35 < Talman> Were they gentle, JasonF? 21:35 * guinea-pig switches windows 21:35 < mwalling_> ipkg doesn't search for files in the repo, only packages you already have installed 21:35 < brough> $5 linodes. he nice idea for small apps, but would bring in all the site5 riffraff 21:35 < Talman> I'd wonder if the overhead would be cost prohibitive. 21:35 < guinea-pig> brough: is the $15 difference really that big a deal? 21:35 < brough> although they'd have to forgoe their 100 terabytes of storage, so maybe not. :/ 21:35 < mwalling_> 15 * 12 21:36 < Eman> $5 more to run a second instance of uml using your existing disk/ram? 21:36 < brough> guinea-pig, no, not if you're in production. but it's amazing how many people try and run rails on site5 shared plans. Not that linode wants that support nightmare. 21:36 < caker> I somehow doubt people would enjoy being on a host with 159 other $5/mo Linodes 21:36 < guinea-pig> i don't even know/care what rails is 21:37 < mattskr> it was really $5/mo at one time? 21:37 < guinea-pig> yeah! 14MHz guaranteed! 21:37 < mattskr> when did linode get started? 21:38 < Talman> Overpowered shell account. 21:38 < guinea-pig> '93? 21:38 < Eman> i can corner the market with $2/mo nodes on a 486! 21:38 < guinea-pig> err, i mean '03 21:38 < mattskr> really? like 15 years? 21:38 < mattskr> oh ok 21:38 < guinea-pig> june 2003 iirc 21:38 < caker> mattskr: Linodes were always $19.95/mo 21:38 < caker> June 16th, 2003 :) 21:38 < bd_> Eman: I don't know, finding enough working 486s might be expensive :) 21:38 < mattskr> I was about to say I didn't think virtualization was around in '93!!! 21:39 < Eman> bd_: haha, just keeping one working is enough work for me :) 21:39 < brough> guinea-pig, so what, it's beside the pouint. you don't have a guaranteed allocation of ram on a shared plan which is why things crash (like every 4 hrs on site5). anyway it's a bad idea because it would cost more to support the extra users. 21:39 < guinea-pig> yeah. my first bill was july 13, 2003. just before i left on my roadtrip :D 21:39 < guinea-pig> err, 14th. i can't typ 21:39 < guinea-pig> E 21:39 -!- chris_ [~chris@nullcode.org] has joined #linode 21:39 < mattskr> I just got on in march 07 21:39 < brough> just amaez me that so many people flock to $5 plans for live, commercial sites. 21:39 -!- chris_ [~chris@nullcode.org] has quit [] 21:40 -!- scorche|sh [~scorche@squisch.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:40 < mattskr> I used to be on powweb.com $5.77/mo fo shared hosting. 1.5TB of space 21:40 < mattskr> it was horrible!!! 21:40 < Bdragon> Heh 21:40 < caker> 1.5TB .. probably on a host with a 200 MB drive 21:40 < Eman> 1.5tb of space? shared between 15000 people? 21:40 < caker> er GB 21:40 < mattskr> It was so slow it would take you probably 2 years to fill your 1.5tb 21:40 < wabz> I used to use powweb too, they sucked really bad 21:41 < Talman> Mmm, overselling. 21:41 < mattskr> name of their game... 21:41 < wabz> actually they were okay until that other company took over 21:41 < mwalling_> i used M6 21:41 < mwalling_> *they* were bad 21:41 * Talman was once on fuitadnet. 21:41 < Bdragon> Yeah, that's some host's thing 21:41 < Talman> They... were bad. 21:41 < mattskr> I've been perfectly happy with my linode 21:41 < mattskr> I wish I could play with it some more 21:41 < avongauss> I'd like to know how they are doing the 750 GB per account, there's gotta be a trick... 21:41 < mattskr> but once you get it going there's really nothing to do but a bit of maintenance every now and then 21:42 < Talman> avongauss - Its easy. 21:42 < brough> site5 offered masses of storage, but a 50k file limit, so even if they had the capacity you couldn't meet it unless every file was at least 2 megs. 21:42 < Eman> 1&1 held my database hostage for using "too much mysql" and demanded i buy a dedicated server from them 21:42 < Talman> You hit over a certain limit, cancel your account for abuse. 21:42 < Talman> Make a reason up 21:42 < mattskr> yea for those web hosts it's just a marketing ploy 21:42 < purrdeta> I like dreamhost :). They dont suck... they most certainly oversell though 21:42 < mattskr> less informed people just see all that space and go ga-ga and buy 21:42 < mattskr> even though they only will ever use maybe 100mb for a simple web site 21:42 < Talman> caker, can you help me demonstrate why FuitadNet is the perfect webhost? 21:42 < Bdragon> Heh, dreamhost ok, dreamhost mysql bad. 21:42 < purrdeta> Plus I use it more for the community than the gazillion gigs :P 21:42 -!- pfein [~pfein@161.sub-75-223-102.myvzw.com] has joined #linode 21:43 < mattskr> oh yea...mysql was always down at powweb 21:43 < mattskr> site up with mysql errors all over the place 21:43 < Bdragon> Dreamhost cockups -- comedy gold. 21:43 < wabz> everything was always down with powweb 21:43 < Talman> I'm going to ask a question, and you're going to say, "woking on its." then idle for 4 hours, then kick me for asking again. 21:43 < Talman> IRC was the only support option. 21:43 < purrdeta> of course I dont use it for supersecretOMGZ! stuff 21:43 < brough> another trick is 'unlimited bandwidth', with connection speed capped really low so you can only download so-many megs a month. 21:44 * Talman got pissed enough that I called the CEO at his home. 21:44 < Bdragon> heh 21:44 < Bdragon> Your MySQL connection id is 31653 21:44 < Bdragon> Uptime: 35 days 23 hours 11 min 17 sec 21:44 < Bdragon> Threads: 2 Questions: 2362482 Slow queries: 7 Opens: 87353 Flush tables: 1 Open tables: 64 Queries per second avg: 0.760 21:44 < guinea-pig> new toy for people: user-generated hardware database with linux support in mind. testers needed ;) 21:44 < Bdragon> Yay for having the keys to the mysqld :) 21:44 < guinea-pig> http://dohickey.parsed.net/client/download.shtml (debs made for gutsy) 21:44 < mwalling_> guinea-pig: you mean the HCL on linuxquestions? 21:45 < caker> guinea-pig: nice 21:45 < guinea-pig> friend of mine developed it. python client, perl server 21:45 < guinea-pig> finally found a good use for my linode besides irc client and email :P 21:45 < purrdeta> guinea-pig: heh all I use it for is email :P 21:45 < JDLSpeedy> guinea-pig: you help make it? 21:46 < guinea-pig> i've been making the vendor icons, and debugging it 21:46 < guinea-pig> what it really needs now is people to submit hardware information and ratings 21:46 * Talman would use it, but the only PC around me these days is my XP laptop. 21:47 < guinea-pig> if you use the stuff from sourceforge, though, you need to change the server it points to. my "buddy" ... "released" it before i fixed that bit, heh 21:47 < Bdragon> hmm 21:47 < guinea-pig> he was trying to use custom stuff on some site called "dreamhost" 21:47 < Bdragon> freenode is splittin again 21:48 < guinea-pig> it's got a migraine :P 21:48 < mwalling_> Bdragon: freenode is *always* splitting 21:48 < Talman> ... whoops. 21:49 < Talman> I'm sure that dreamhost was happy about that. 21:49 < guinea-pig> well, they just wouldn't let him 21:49 < JDLSpeedy> im just going to use "dreamhost" for basically a file server for my website 21:49 < JDLSpeedy> website thats hosted on linode 21:49 < guinea-pig> save linode bandwidth? :P 21:49 < Bdragon> heh 21:50 < JDLSpeedy> ya, that, and harddrive space 21:50 < Talman> Bandwidth is cheap unless you're an image server. 21:50 < Bdragon> more like "Screw wasting precious disk space to store these random photos" 21:50 * Talman doesn't know how some of these sites do it. 21:51 < JDLSpeedy> and dreamhost keeps upgrading harddrive space and crap 21:51 < JDLSpeedy> LOL 21:51 < mikegrb> lolz 21:51 < Bdragon> Dreamhost doesn't have local storage 21:51 < Bdragon> The machines are arranged in "clusters" that connect to a "filer" for the "cluster" for storage. 21:51 * JDLSpeedy don't understand, how is it not local? 21:51 < JDLSpeedy> lol 21:51 < mikegrb> lolz 21:52 < Bdragon> NFS I imagine 21:52 < purrdeta> NFS indeed 21:52 < Bdragon> Same for the mysql and mail servers 21:52 < JDLSpeedy> Dreamhost Datacenter in CA while the cluster drives are in NY 21:52 < JDLSpeedy> ? 21:52 < JDLSpeedy> :-D 21:52 < Bdragon> Ha 21:54 < Bdragon> I believe all the machines are multihomed as well and have an "internal" and "public" interfaces, so they can run the nfs over an internal network (less congestion, better security, etc) 21:54 < JDLSpeedy> Bdragon: they only have 1 plan now for webhosting 21:54 < purrdeta> they do Bdragon 21:56 < brough> s3 may work out cheaper (and it would be more reliabale). depends on your traffic, but if your traffic 21:56 < brough> is high.... they'll kick ya. 21:56 < Bdragon> Yeah, s3 is another interesting model.. 21:56 < brough> there's a great presentation about it from smugmug 21:56 < Bdragon> You can get kicked from s3? Heh 21:57 < mattskr> @dreamhost....what is this start with 500gb and increase by 2gb every week?? 21:57 < brough> on one of the slide sharing sites. basically they decided it was only economical to use it for highly-trafficed images and to defer to local storage for the rest. 21:57 < purrdeta> mattskr: you start with 500GB and every week they add 2GB to your quota 21:57 < Bdragon> mattskr: Dreamhost banks on only a low percentage of customers actually taking them up on that offer 21:57 < brough> s3, no. I meant kicked from dreamhost. or just get b/w throttled right down. 21:57 < Bdragon> mattskr: You really can do it though 21:57 < purrdeta> no way in hell you could actually use all that space 21:57 < Bdragon> Ahh 21:58 < Bdragon> Sure, you can get kicked from dreamhost 21:58 < purrdeta> no no 21:58 < mattskr> another marketing ploy 21:58 < purrdeta> well you cant use it for backups 21:58 * Talman uses s3 for storing data. 21:58 < Bdragon> I was wondering what the hell you could do to be kicked from s3 :P 21:58 < mattskr> what else would you use 500gb for 21:58 < Talman> Er, backups. 21:58 < Bdragon> $0.18 per GB - first 10 TB / month data transfer out 21:58 < Bdragon> $0.16 per GB - next 40 TB / month data transfer out 21:58 < Bdragon> $0.13 per GB - data transfer out / month over 50 TB 21:58 < Bdragon> I mean 21:58 < avongauss> credit card declined? 21:58 < Bdragon> (s3 data transfer pricing) 21:58 < Bdragon> Well, yeahg 21:59 < brough> yeahyou may have the storage, but only the network capacity to serve 1% of it. 21:59 < Bdragon> mattskr: A very big and not very popular videoblog :P 21:59 < brough> on share hosts.... interesting when you work out how fat a connection you'd need to serve your storage allocation in 30 days. 22:01 < Bdragon> heh 22:01 < Bdragon> I didn't know dreamhost did managed dedicated... 22:01 < Bdragon> http://www.dreamhost.com/hosting-dedicated.html 22:01 < Bdragon> "Only" $395/m 22:02 < JDLSpeedy> Linode = $20/m 22:02 < JDLSpeedy> see the differents? ;) 22:02 < iggy> managed dedicated 22:03 < mattskr> how do you respond to a single person like that? 22:03 < Bdragon> iggy: Like dedicated, except you don't get root (tm) 22:03 * Bdragon snickers 22:03 < iggy> some people need managed service 22:04 < Bdragon> Yeah, but, uh, DREAMHOST? 22:04 < Bdragon> Dreamhost has... butterfingers... 22:04 < iggy> heh 22:04 < Bdragon> "Oops, I accidentally billed for next year" 22:04 < mwalling_> what? you didn't pay for march 08 yet? your deliquent, goodbyw 22:05 < brough> dreamhost recently offered 50TB storage, which would need a 200Mbps uplink to move in one month with a 24/7 connection, and they only have 100Mbps uplinks on their shared hosts. 22:05 -!- row [row@87-194-37-143.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:05 < brough> w/how many 100/1000 users. 22:05 < Bdragon> Yes, but WHY would you be moving all of your data every month? 22:05 < bd_> brough: I thought they were still on 500GB/user? 22:06 < Bdragon> Dreamhost as a company is rather fun to watch, preferably with a bag of popcorn... 22:06 < brough> my mistake -- that was 50TB of bandwidth, so an even bigger lie. 22:07 < brough> in fairness to site 5, I paid for 2yrs, migrated to reseller when things didn't work out (using unused months on shared towards the cost, so nothing extra) and got a full refund for all unused months when I quit reseller for linode. 22:08 < mattskr> oh! and in fairness to powweb...getting like $75 for one referral was pretty sweet 22:09 < Bdragon> My dreamhost account is currently... 278GB disk (of which 11.4 is used), 5504 GB bandwidth (of which, uh, 0, is used) 22:11 < Bdragon> Oh, I DO use the jabber feature a lot ;) 22:11 < caker> 50 TB of bandwidth a month means you'd have to pull 20 MB (or 160Mbits)/sec for the entire month to acheive it 22:11 < JDLSpeedy> Bdragon: 560.12 GB Disk 22:11 < JDLSpeedy> heh 22:12 < tozz> I'm planning on using Dreamhost as a image dump 22:12 < Bdragon> <-- "Member since Jan 2007", 2 year rebill, "L1" 22:12 < tozz> since we're building a image hosting site .. thing 22:12 < Bdragon> And yeah, I use mine mainly as an image dump. 22:12 < JDLSpeedy> <-- Jan 2005 22:12 < Bdragon> Nice 22:12 < tozz> and I've yet to find a registrar that offers good prices and protects your registration for free 22:13 < tozz> I have nothing against DH, sure they're overselling, but they don't lie about it as some others :) 22:13 < tozz> and as far as shared hosting goes, it's hard to beat your own compiled php, svn, etc 22:13 < tozz> for that price at least 22:13 < tozz> still not as much fun as linode though :D 22:13 < Bdragon> Dreamhost always manages to come off as being goofy instead of evil... 22:13 < tozz> I don't see anything evil with them 22:14 < Bdragon> I mean, 1&1, definately evil. 22:14 < tozz> they say they oversell and that's what they do 22:14 < Bdragon> Yep 22:14 < tozz> the servers work 22:14 < Bdragon> Dreamhost is very open about their business model 22:14 < tozz> and it's dirt cheap 22:14 < JDLSpeedy> goofy, the billing typo they did at the end of '07 22:14 < Bdragon> Definately dirt cheap 22:14 < tozz> and you get referal money 22:14 < Bdragon> Never took them up on referrals 22:14 < tozz> unless you're a complete fool you know what you're getting into :D 22:15 < caker> !avail 22:15 < tozz> JDLSpeedy: hehe, yeah 22:15 < linbot> caker: Linode360 - 83, Linode540 - 33, Linode720 - 4, Linode1080 - 0, Linode1440 - 0 22:15 < Bdragon> And by having an account, you automatically have a licence to whine on dreamhoststatus.com! Bonus! ;) 22:15 < brough> that official blog about thr $7million billing woopsie is er interesting. 22:15 < tozz> but then again, the UK government loosing 30million citizens personal data makes that pale ;) 22:15 < JDLSpeedy> caker: no Linode1080 - 0, Linode1440 - 0 ? heh 22:15 < Bdragon> They act like a pre-bubble-burst dotcom :) 22:16 < tozz> everyone makes mistakes, and DH has actually been around for 10years so 22:16 < tozz> nothing new under the sun ^^ 22:16 < Bdragon> (A fun one like early netscape) 22:16 < bd_> brough: except they actually make money? :) 22:16 < Bdragon> Right 22:16 < Bdragon> DH actually makes money.. 22:16 < Bdragon> So they're doing SOMETHING right... 22:16 < Bdragon> They're doing a lot of things right 22:17 < brough> yeah, they made $7million in Jan. 22:17 < Bdragon> Dirt cheap, lots of space, "good enough" reliability 22:17 < tozz> hehe 22:17 < Bdragon> HAHAHA 22:17 < tozz> I had 98.97% on my DH domains 22:17 < Bdragon> "But then they had to give it back. Awwww." 22:17 < JDLSpeedy> how much is a per GB prices these days? 22:17 < tozz> But then again, I knew it wasn't a 99.99% SLA either so 22:17 < Bdragon> I'm on voss. I recall one instance of downtime... 22:18 * caker ponders a mass storage service 22:18 < tozz> the only sad thing with DH is that the quality of their cable :) 22:18 < Bdragon> That would be cool 22:18 < mwalling_> caker: finish the intercage network first :P 22:18 < tozz> caker: we need the B/W to serve it too ^^ 22:18 < Bdragon> Meh 22:18 < bd_> intercage network? 22:19 < tozz> caker: you should offer a connection not as premium as the one you have now 22:19 < caker> private backend network, not tied into bitcounting, is what he means, methinks 22:19 < tozz> no need for 25mb/s hosting images 22:19 < tozz> ^_^ 22:19 < mwalling_> caker: yeah, that 22:19 < tozz> then I would probably be all over it 22:19 < Bdragon> I would certainly pay for some backend storage 22:19 < Bdragon> Mmm, backups 22:19 < bd_> caker: ah, so like bandwidth between linodes not counting against your quota, sort of thing? 22:19 < caker> could double as a backup dump, too 22:19 < Bdragon> Yeah 22:19 < caker> bd_: right 22:19 < Battousai> !avail he 22:19 < linbot> Battousai: (linodeavail takes no arguments) -- Gets the availability of each Linode plan type optionally restricting the results to a specific datacenter. 22:20 < Battousai> ooh 22:20 < caker> yummy -- excuse to build a few boxes with lotsa drives 22:20 < Bdragon> Heh 22:20 < JDLSpeedy> !avail dallas 22:20 < linbot> JDLSpeedy: (linodeavail takes no arguments) -- Gets the availability of each Linode plan type optionally restricting the results to a specific datacenter. 22:20 < tozz> caker: it's definately something that sounds interesting 22:20 < JDLSpeedy> hmm 22:20 < Bdragon> !avail-dallas 22:20 < linbot> Bdragon: Dallas360 - 32, Dallas540 - 22, Dallas720 - 1, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0 22:20 < JDLSpeedy> heh 22:20 < Bdragon> !avail-fremont 22:20 < linbot> Bdragon: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0 22:20 < Battousai> i see 22:20 < Bdragon> Yeah. 22:20 * bd_ is surprised there isn't much in the way for competition for S3 yet 22:20 < bd_> !avail-atlanta 22:20 < linbot> bd_: Atlanta360 - 51, Atlanta540 - 11, Atlanta720 - 3, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0 22:21 < tozz> S3 is slow too 22:21 < tozz> latency wise 22:21 < Bdragon> Well, thre IS 22:21 < Bdragon> Not web api like s3 is though 22:21 < mattskr> good I ned one of those atlanta's 22:21 < bd_> I suppose, but if you want good latency keep it on the local disk 22:21 < Bdragon> but storage / serving along the same model 22:21 < brough> there's a rails hosted started up (essnetially a shared host, afai can see) that uses ec3. 22:21 < tozz> bd_: well akamai manages good latency ;) 22:21 < brough> *host 22:21 < tozz> i kid, i kid 22:21 < brough> ec2. let me find the link... interesting idea. 22:22 < tozz> who wants to work without memcached anyway 22:22 < tozz> that's a requirement 22:22 < bd_> I mean, user -> linode -> s3, it's a little more latency but not much. Especially as you can just hand the user a link into S3 for some applications. 22:22 < Battousai> 2.6.23.12-linode41 has the vmsplice fix right? 22:22 < tozz> bd_: yeah, true 22:22 < tozz> depends on the content I guess 22:22 < mwalling_> !avail-caker's offie 22:22 < brough> heroku.com 22:23 < tozz> user > linode > new caker storage cluster 22:23 < tozz> is better though 22:23 < bd_> true 22:23 < bd_> I use S3 for some misc backup purposes, though, so I don't care so much about latency :) 22:24 < brough> the authenticated urls are nice. 22:24 -!- Battousai [~bryan@maduin.southcape.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25 < tozz> they have support for stuff like that too? 22:25 < tozz> hm 22:25 < tozz> might use S3 for this project then 22:25 * Bdragon continues smiling 22:25 < Bdragon> Yeah 22:25 < Bdragon> s3 even has support for torrenting (!) 22:26 < bd_> I don't fully trust their torrent support 22:26 < bd_> I've inserted two keys with identical names, identical content in different buckets, and got identical info-hashes back 22:26 < bd_> which does it get billed under? 22:26 < bd_> I didn't bother opening a second account to test in detail though :) 22:26 -!- Battousai [~bryan@maduin.southcape.org] has joined #linode 22:27 < Bdragon> Err 22:27 < brough> yeah, you can set urls to expire after so-many seconds. 22:27 < mattskr> what is s3's website? 22:27 < bd_> mattskr: s3.amazonaws.com 22:27 < Bdragon> heh, I've been using http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html?node=16427261 22:28 < bd_> aws.amazon.com/s3 works too :) 22:28 < iggy> anybody know how bad of a performance hit it is to use files instead of physical devices with xen? 22:28 < Bdragon> err 22:28 < tozz> brough: so you could essentially tell amazon that ip x is allowed for 10seconds, link the image to the user and be done with it 22:28 < tozz> if all you needed was ip security 22:28 < bd_> tozz: it's not by IP, it's by the hash in the url 22:28 < brough> yup. 22:28 < Bdragon> s3.amazonaws.com appears to redirect there. 22:28 < tozz> okok, hash 22:28 < tozz> even better 22:28 < tozz> sweetness 22:28 < mattskr> so it's online storage, not hosting 22:28 < mattskr> cool 22:28 < bd_> yeah, no dynamic content 22:28 < tozz> we have a s3 account at work 22:28 < Bdragon> Right, you can just use it as hosting if you need 22:28 < tozz> maybe I can play around with that 22:29 < brough> you could check the ip at your app and allocate the expiry time accordingly. 22:29 < tozz> if I ask nicely ;) 22:29 < bd_> but geographical redundancy and a relatively simple API 22:29 < Bdragon> i.e. it's http accessible with normal GET requests 22:29 < npmr> and there's a fuse driver for it 22:29 -!- scorche|sh [~scorche@squisch.net] has joined #linode 22:30 < mattskr> so is s3 the best these days for online backup? I really need to get that going 22:30 < brough> ec2, 15gb RAM, 4 cores, $0.80hr 22:31 < tozz> the ec2 bills can run away fast though 22:31 < tozz> heard some scary shit :) 22:31 < npmr> !calc 0.8 * 24 * 30 22:31 < linbot> npmr: 0.8 * 24 * 30 = 576 22:31 < Bdragon> Heh 22:31 < iggy> I thought rsync.net was decently priced 22:31 < Bdragon> never ever leave ec2's on 22:31 < caker> is that cpu hour ? 22:31 < mwalling_> ouch 22:31 < bd_> caker: wallclock 22:31 < npmr> caker, probably 22:31 < npmr> oh 22:32 < npmr> yow 22:32 < Bdragon> caker: They run the meter while the machine's on 22:32 < Bdragon> caker: It's a "rent a dedicated server or 100 dedicated servers by the hour" sorta thing 22:32 < brough> yeah, 1 hr min. but you can get them for 10 cents. Great if you have a job that would take 10 hrs, and you can just fire up 10 instances and have it done in 60mins for the same cost. 22:32 < bd_> except it's actually a VPS (presumably with low contention, given the RAM allocations) 22:33 < npmr> $80/hr for a 100 node cluster... ok 22:33 < bd_> npmr: $.80/hr is their high end server 22:33 < Bdragon> It's great, cheap, and fast if you have to CRUNCH A BUNCH 22:33 < mwalling_> hmmm 22:33 < bd_> they have three levels... $.10/hr, $.40(or was it 20?) and $.80 22:33 < npmr> i could see possibly setting up a job to run on that and then renting only enough time to run the job 22:33 * mwalling_ book marks to show $BOSS 22:33 < Bdragon> but a) minimum 1 hour, b) this charge is applied EVERY hour 22:33 < mwalling_> will ir run fortran :) 22:34 < brough> to 61 mins costs 2 hrs. 22:34 < brough> so 22:34 < Bdragon> It runs linux 22:34 < Bdragon> Or windows I think... 22:34 < mwalling_> urg 22:34 < bd_> Bdragon: linux 22:34 < Bdragon> You basically package the os image and startup stuff and save it to your s3 22:34 < bd_> you can run windows in qemu if you don't care about performance :) 22:34 < Bdragon> then you send "make instance" commands 22:35 < Bdragon> bd_: I thought they had a model in place for renting windows installs as well... 22:35 < mwalling_> eh, i guess i i could cobble our code onto a newer kernel... 22:35 < mwalling_> (dont ask, but i havent been able to build it on anything later then a 2.4) 22:35 < Bdragon> And when you're done computing, you send "teardown instance" commands 22:35 < bd_> Bdragon: no, there are some experimental images made by other users with windows trial installs, but nothing that runs natively 22:35 < Bdragon> Ahh 22:35 < bd_> I don't think windows supports xen outside of some university labs that aren't allowed to release their code :) 22:36 < Bdragon> OK, I thought they had a micropay system going on 22:36 < bd_> they do have a micropay system, just it's not used for windows :) 22:36 < bd_> there's this beta 'DevPay' system 22:36 < bd_> where you can make images with your own custom pricing and take (or pay) the difference 22:36 < Bdragon> Nah, that's not what I was talking about 22:36 < Bdragon> Or maybe it was. 22:36 < Talman> ... Well, if you work in IT, expect your PHB to freak out about wireless internet. 22:36 < Bdragon> Heh, dunno 22:37 < Talman> CSI:NY has a WIRELESS ROBBERY. 22:37 < bd_> some of the fine print is a bit worrying - eg, they take X% for billing processing fees, then they take out the normal EC2 fees 22:37 < Bdragon> Thought I read about it on their blog. whatevs. 22:37 < bd_> meaning you need to price it above the EC2 base price just to break even 22:37 < brough> $73/month isn't bad for 1.7gigs of ram, prob is you need to back everything/database up to s3 and I think dns is a bit of a headache... 22:37 < bd_> and if there's a chargeback you absorb the EC2 costs 22:37 < mwalling_> Talman: hehe... my boss is trying to *get* it, because even .11b is faster then our network 22:37 < brough> but I've considered it for an always-on dedicated server (the $0.10 plan) 22:38 < Bdragon> meh, I wouldn't use ec2 for that... 22:38 < bd_> They don't fail too often, but if one does, you should be prepared to consider it expendable 22:38 < bd_> (you may lose the disk, and you *will* lose the IP) 22:38 * Talman wondered what EC2 was for. 22:38 < Talman> mwalling_ : heh. 22:38 < Bdragon> It would be excellent for like, world scenery generation for flightgear ;) 22:38 < Bdragon> Or some other cpu intensive data manipulation task... 22:39 < tozz> bd_: you will lose the disk 22:39 < brough> or modelling nukes. reminds me of the southpark ep when bush bombs saddams wmd 'cloud' in heaven. 22:39 < bd_> tozz: in some cases on the forums they've got the host back up temporarily so people can get their data off 22:39 < bd_> but yeah, no heroic measures 22:39 < tozz> ah, ok, I was talking general scenario 22:39 < tozz> the concept is that the disk dies when the machine goes down 22:39 < bd_> yep 22:40 < tozz> so they "force" to use s3 :) 22:40 < mwalling_> we still have 10 mbit drops to our offices 22:40 < Bdragon> They don't charge for s3 <-> ec2 transfers though IIRC 22:40 < tozz> true 22:41 < bd_> mwalling_: yeah, only storage and requests (the request fee is only an issue if you're inserting thousands of tiny files though) 22:41 < bd_> or well, millions even 22:41 < mwalling_> huh? 22:41 < brough> I set up a rest api on my linode and sent the linodes url to the ec2 when I fired it up, so it got its tasks from the linode and then shut itself off when it was done. worked really well, need to give it another shot. 22:41 < bd_> mwalling_: one cent per 10,000 GETs of file data, one cent per 1,000 other, DELETEs are free 22:42 < brough> I was just playing around with some photo processing, but the extra cpu is handy to have. 22:42 < mwalling_> bd_: huh? i was talking about .11b wireless being faster then our network at the office 22:42 < bd_> mwalling_: oh, er, I meant Bdragon XD 22:43 * mwalling_ slaps bd_ 22:43 < bd_> the lines were like right next to each other! 22:43 < Bdragon> Heh 22:43 < Bdragon> And we're both talking 22:44 < mwalling_> Talman: ... what the hell is this? bond hits NY? 22:44 < mwalling_> night rider? 22:44 < mwalling_> sheesh... laser tire poppers 22:44 -!- TofuMatt [~TofuMatt@hlfxns0161w-142068089165.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has joined #linode 22:44 < Bdragon> huh? 22:45 < mwalling_> 22:34 < Talman> CSI:NY has a WIRELESS ROBBERY. 22:45 < mwalling_> i flipped it on after he said that 22:45 < TofuMatt> lol 22:45 < mikegrb> lolz 22:45 -!- Dreamer3 [~Dreamer3@74-142-174-231.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #linode 22:55 < Bdragon> Err... 22:56 < Bdragon> wiki.linode.com is redirecting to http://www.linode.com/index.cfm 22:57 -!- mattskr [~0caccf03@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:58 < caker> how about now? 22:59 < Talman> mwalling_ : Yes, James freaking Bond hits NY. 22:59 < Bdragon> mmm, yeah, working 22:59 < Talman> Memory Polymers, etc. 22:59 < Bdragon> Nimble fingers caker 23:04 < greco> speaking of the wiki... i'm still not able to use the Search feature 23:05 < Talman> I haven't tried it, what happens? 23:06 < greco> never any results] 23:06 < greco> http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Search?search=server&fulltext=Search 23:10 < Talman> True, I don't either, and I searched for ubuntu 23:12 < bd_> caker: if I switch to an annual billing cycle, will the yearly cycle begin at the beginning of the next month, or will I pay a prorated amount for the remainder of the year and get billed for a full year in january? 23:16 < caker> bd_: it'll start next month (but you'll get the +50% space now...) 23:16 < caker> bd_: no prorating; a full year 23:18 < bd_> hmm, ok, I'll think about it 23:20 * Talman is thinking of buying a year with the tax refund. 23:23 -!- otherbbs [~4ce339a9@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28 -!- mwalling_ [~mwalling@72.171.106.148] has quit [Quit: --out] 23:30 -!- JDLSpeedy [~joe@fl-71-1-146-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:43 -!- JDLSpeedy [~joe@fl-71-1-146-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #linode 23:47 -!- TofuMatt [~TofuMatt@hlfxns0161w-142068089165.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has quit [Quit: TofuMatt] 23:48 < esoterik> I start working on tuesday, I wonder if I get that refund 23:57 -!- TofuMatt [~TofuMatt@hlfxns0161w-142068089165.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has joined #linode --- Log closed Wed Feb 13 23:59:00 2008