--- Day changed --- Log opened Tue May 06 23:59:01 2008 23:59 < bob2> that is right 23:59 < silverblade> how would that work 00:00 < bob2> I don't quite get your goal 00:00 < bob2> do you want to run a recursive resolver and an authoroative server for a domain? 00:00 < silverblade> eh well i was contemplating setting up a dns to use as my dns from home 00:00 < silverblade> so a dns i can query to get to things like google 00:01 < silverblade> at the same time id like a dns which i can use to resolve to my own domains, for other people 00:12 -!- r3z` [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #linode 00:12 -!- r3z [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:17 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:18 < bkudria> i have a dns question: google apps wants an MX record ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM. , but if i try to create that, the DNS manager tool says "You have entered an invalid hostname or domain name.". i'm not that familiar with DNS, what's wrong? 00:19 < bob2> put up a screenshot of the dns manager page 00:19 < bob2> with your values 00:22 < bkudria> bob2: http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2685/dns1fh3.png 00:22 < bob2> weird, ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM is an A record 00:23 < Bdragon> (Tried without the trailing dot?) 00:23 < bob2> yeah, was gonna asay, maybe the parser sucks 00:23 < bkudria> well, google says to use that exact name, with the dot 00:24 < bob2> try it without 00:24 < bkudria> ok 00:24 < bkudria> that worked. i hope google likes it 00:25 < bob2> hah 00:25 < bob2> it'll be fine 00:26 < bkudria> gah "We are checking MX records for your domain. This may take 48 hours to complete." 00:27 < bob2> may 00:27 < bob2> it happens quicker in practice 00:27 < bob2> but other hosts might cache your old mx record for months 00:27 < bob2> well, maybe only spammers, but still 00:30 -!- praetorian [~praetoria@124-171-47-27.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30 -!- praetorian [~praetoria@124-171-47-27.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #linode 00:31 < bkudria> hmm, my linode is in atlanta,but the dns manager says the last update was at 2008-05-07 04:01:03 AM 00:31 < bob2> UTC 00:31 < bkudria> and here in NY, and atlanta too, it's only 00:31 00:31 < bkudria> aah, ok 00:35 < bkudria> hmm, i put in a blank A record, and the "view zone file" link shows it, but dig does not...any idea why not? 00:36 < Peng> Linode uses UTC somewhere? I thought it was all EST/EDT. 00:36 < bob2> what would it show? the dns server has no answer for that query 00:36 < Peng> ...And users can set a time zone. 00:38 < bkudria> bob2: i admit to being confused by dns, but shouldn't the A record have the IP? shouldn't dig show that? 00:38 < bkudria> Peng: the DNS manager screen. i didn't see anywhere to change the timezone 00:39 < bob2> what does "blank A record" mean then 00:41 < bkudria> bob2: i left out the host name...isn't that standard way? i just want my domain to resolve. anyway, if i do enter just the domainname of the zone, it keeps it blank anyway 00:41 < bob2> what on earth are you doing 00:42 < bob2> oh, right 00:42 < bob2> you mean empty hostname not blank A record 00:43 < bob2> rob@hypercube:~$ dig +short blueboxtech.com a @ns1.linode.com 00:43 < bob2> 75.127.96.192 00:43 < bob2> = it is fine 00:43 < bkudria> yeah, i guess. the new zone screen offers to create blank A records, so i assumed they were called that 00:43 < bob2> if you're using dig without @, your isp is probably caching your old non-existent one 00:43 < bkudria> aah, now it is fine 00:43 < bob2> s/one/A record for the domain/ 00:43 < bkudria> it really wasn't working before 00:44 < bkudria> and i was doing it from the host itself, with the @, so no caching... 00:44 < bob2> it takes some time for the linode name servers to reload their zone files 00:44 < bkudria> ok, i'm just impatient :) 00:44 < bkudria> thanks 00:47 -!- booja [~goldspe@rly.srsbzn.us] has left #linode [] 00:48 -!- sveiss [~sveiss@host81-158-218-65.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #linode 00:53 -!- bkudria [~bkudria@li22-192.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:53 -!- bkudria [~bkudria@75.127.96.192] has joined #linode 00:54 -!- sveiss [~sveiss@host81-158-218-65.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: sveiss] 01:00 -!- sveiss [~sveiss@host81-158-218-65.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #linode 01:04 -!- lanstin [~lanstin@www.austin-lane.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:13 -!- bkudria [~bkudria@75.127.96.192] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:17 -!- dvgrhl`mobile [~jonr@c-24-16-172-54.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [] 01:27 -!- bkudria [~bkudria@li22-192.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 01:29 -!- bkudria [~bkudria@li22-192.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:31 -!- Athenon [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #linode 01:32 < Athenon> my linode is using too many disk tokens. how can i find out whats using them? -_- 01:34 -!- bkudria [~bkudria@130.245.212.83] has joined #linode 01:37 -!- Kenobi [alucard@71-88-98-242.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:43 < chesty> Athenon: i would say top could help, although it sorts on cpu usage, usually heavy io apps have a bit of cpu usage too. 01:47 < Athenon> hmm, lets see 01:48 < Athenon> python? 01:48 < Athenon> torrentflux...there ya go 01:49 < bkudria> y 01:49 < bkudria> oops 01:50 < Athenon> thanks 02:00 < Peng> Athenon: FWIW, in the future, you should also check if you're low on RAM and swapping. 02:10 < Athenon> yeah. it was running 10 (percent?) RAM. 02:17 < bd_> Athenon: Before or after you subtracted cache? 02:17 < bd_> free -m <-- look at the -/+ buffers/cache line for a more meaningful result 02:17 < Athenon> well, it was for the specific process...that doesnt count cache does it? 02:22 < bd_> oh, for the specific process? no, but it does count memory which is shared with other processes 02:22 < bd_> eg. libc 02:23 < Athenon> twas "python" 02:23 < bd_> python still uses libc :) 02:23 < bd_> virtually everything uses libc 02:23 < Athenon> torrentflux was using python, thus the problem 02:23 < bd_> python itself isn't a problem :P 02:23 < bob2> torrentflux was using the bittorrent program, which was written in python 02:23 < Athenon> yeah that 02:23 < Athenon> ;) 02:37 -!- irgeek [~irgeek@h-69-3-128-173.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #linode 02:37 -!- irgeek [~irgeek@h-69-3-128-173.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net] has quit [] 02:37 -!- irgeek [~irgeek@h-69-3-128-173.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #linode 02:40 -!- m0unds_ [~fracture@c-68-35-80-106.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:42 < irgeek> Athenon: You can also use procinfo to watch your swap usage. If the swap in/out numbers are changing then you're swapping and you will be killed. 02:43 < irgeek> Not you Linode either, _you_ will be killed. 02:44 < bd_> vmstat is a more convenient method 02:49 < irgeek> vmstat gives me zeroes for swap--I'm guessing that's current usage. 02:50 < irgeek> I like to know that I'm averaging 1.8 swap ios/hour since boot. 02:51 * irgeek goes back to Sudoku 03:00 -!- irgeek [~irgeek@h-69-3-128-173.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net] has quit [Quit: irgeek] 03:02 -!- m0unds_ [~fracture@c-68-35-1-217.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #linode 03:05 -!- m0unds_ [~fracture@c-68-35-1-217.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [] 03:08 -!- m0unds_ [~fracture@c-68-35-1-217.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #linode 03:20 -!- m0unds_ [~fracture@c-68-35-1-217.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:25 -!- Kenobi [~kenobi@66-189-117-149.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #linode 03:26 -!- arooni-mobile [~arooni__@c-24-19-234-159.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #linode 03:26 -!- m0unds_ [~fracture@c-68-35-1-217.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #linode 03:30 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-230-0.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #linode 04:08 -!- m0unds_ [~fracture@c-68-35-1-217.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:09 -!- m0unds_ [~fracture@c-68-35-1-217.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #linode 04:11 -!- aaronpk [~aaronpk@c-71-59-210-160.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:13 -!- ondrej [ondra@th203p02-kme.fav.zcu.cz] has joined #linode 04:15 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-230-0.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 04:20 -!- bkudria [~bkudria@130.245.212.83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:32 -!- row_ [~row@87-194-37-143.bethere.co.uk] has joined #linode 04:36 -!- row [row@87-194-37-143.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:37 -!- row [~row@87-194-37-143.bethere.co.uk] has joined #linode 04:40 -!- row_ [~row@87-194-37-143.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:44 -!- Sputnik7 [~Sputnik7@c-71-192-5-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: -=SysReset 2.53=-] 05:08 -!- darkbeholder [darkbehold@191.140.240.220.dynamic.dsl.comindico.com.au] has quit [charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net] 05:09 -!- darkbeholder [darkbehold@191.140.240.220.dynamic.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #linode 05:18 -!- sveiss [~sveiss@host81-158-218-65.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: sveiss] 05:29 -!- acranley [~425b1ed7@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 05:29 < acranley> trying to setup google apps and it requires special mx records... linode isn't taking them in the dns manager 05:30 < acranley> plz help? 05:30 < bob2> remove the final . from the name 05:30 < acranley> ok thnx 05:30 < bob2> s/name/hostname google told you to use as the mx record value/ 05:30 < bob2> also, "please" :) 05:32 < Dave> special MX record? 05:32 < acranley> please, and thank you. that worked. i'm just used to using a bit of short hand here and there. Only usually spell it out when I'm looking to be professional 05:33 < acranley> and use plz and thnx when trying to be personable 05:33 < bob2> heh 05:36 < Peng> Wow, I'm getting a lot of ssh login attempts this morning. 05:37 < bob2> caker: might be worth modifying the validation of the hostname field in the "add/edit mx record" to allow trailing dots 05:37 < Dave> your mx record should have trailing .'s though 05:38 < Peng> On the subject (ish), CNAME records don't need to be FQDNs with trailing dots, right? If you alias foo.example.com to bar.example.com, you can just enter "bar", right? 05:39 -!- arooni-mobile [~arooni__@c-24-19-234-159.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:40 < Dave> Peng: not sure 05:40 < Dave> I dont think you need the trailing . 05:41 -!- anaoum [~andrew@123-243-202-158.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #linode 05:41 -!- anaoum [~andrew@123-243-202-158.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #linode [] 05:42 < Peng> Hum. 05:47 -!- aaronpk [~aaronpk@c-24-22-22-98.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #linode 05:52 < bob2> I'd think your nameserver would internally resolve it to a fqdn by adding @ if needed 05:53 < Dave> yeah 05:53 < Dave> but thats what it does with MX records that dont have a . on the end too 05:58 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@host-84-9-49-97.dslgb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:05 -!- flemnos [~jason@55.153.145.122.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has joined #linode 06:11 < Peng> Seriously, I'm getting an ssh login attempt every 2 minutes. And all of them are already blocked by DenyHosts. :\ 06:12 < silverblade> Peng: someone mentioned "fail2ban" to me recently - you might want to have a look at it? 06:13 < Peng> silverblade: DenyHosts serves a similar purpose. fail2ban supports applications other than ssh, but oh well. 06:13 < Peng> DenyHosts has a public blocklist and I'm not sure fail2ban does. 06:13 < silverblade> oh right sorry 06:14 < silverblade> i thought it was some kind of ssh parameter ;) 06:14 < Peng> Oh, ok. 06:14 < silverblade> provided you're protected you can sit back and relax :) 06:14 < Peng> Yep. 06:14 < silverblade> sadly though those things will get someone, some day 06:15 < bob2> fail2ban supports adding iptables rules, whereas, iirc, denyhosts just uses tcpwrappers 06:16 < Peng> bob2: Correct. 06:17 < Peng> bob2: At the time I picked DenyHosts, I didn't have iptables running and didn't want to figure out fail2ban. 06:18 < rick111> hey FRIENDS 06:19 -!- ondrej [ondra@th203p02-kme.fav.zcu.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:19 -!- ondrej [ondra@th203p02-kme.fav.zcu.cz] has joined #linode 06:20 < Dave> hello rick 06:26 < Dave> rick111: are you going to restore my faith in your abilitys today? :) 06:27 < Hobbsee> Dave: unlikely. 06:27 < Dave> :( 06:27 < Hobbsee> Dave: people don't tend to get skilled that quickly. 06:29 < INternat> google can do some wonders though... 06:31 -!- lanstin [~lanstin@www.austin-lane.net] has joined #linode 07:00 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #linode 07:01 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 07:22 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:30 -!- lanstin [~lanstin@www.austin-lane.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:36 -!- acranley [~425b1ed7@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:38 -!- sveiss [~sveiss@host81-158-218-65.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #linode 07:55 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has joined #linode 08:10 -!- sveiss [~sveiss@host81-158-218-65.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: sveiss] 08:14 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:23 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has joined #linode 08:36 -!- ondrej [ondra@th203p02-kme.fav.zcu.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40 < HoopyCat> oh wow, i open silly tickets when on decongestants 08:40 -!- RiverRat [me@75-173-253-134.clsp.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:43 < mwalling> heh 08:44 < mwalling> mikegrb: i broke itz. pls fix. kthx 08:46 < mikegrb> HoopyCat: bribes are never silly 08:46 * mikegrb runs 08:48 -!- mendel [monotreme@76-10-159-31.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:49 < chesty> do we know when fremont might get some more linodes? (just curious) 08:49 -!- RiverRat [me@97-112-135-124.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #linode 08:50 < caker> I'd guess no later than mid June 08:50 < chesty> ty 08:52 < HoopyCat> ok, good, i did take some pseudoephedrine this morning. i can tell because i have a mental image of caker roosting on a clutch of linode eggs 08:53 -!- lanstin [~lanstin@www.austin-lane.net] has joined #linode 09:01 -!- ondrej [ondra@th203p02-kme.fav.zcu.cz] has joined #linode 09:12 -!- TJF [~TJF_GN@pat.foulston.com] has joined #linode 09:17 -!- jm [~fake@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #linode 09:25 < tozz> is it possible to switch datacenters? If possible, the IP will change right? 09:25 < HoopyCat> tozz: if there's room available, yes; and yes. 09:26 < tozz> ok 09:26 < tozz> the latency is starting to kill me 09:27 < tasaro> chesty: which plan were you looking for in Fremont? 09:28 < chesty> tasaro: it was for epochlabs, it's already been done 09:28 < HoopyCat> tozz: haven't heard of latency issues; which datacenter are you in? 09:28 < tasaro> !latency 09:28 < tasaro> !download 09:28 < tozz> dallas, it's not really latency on the net just that sftp takes forever 09:29 < tasaro> !speed 09:29 < tozz> I lived in US before but now I'm back in Sweden 09:29 < tozz> so the reasons are pretty clear ;) 09:30 < tasaro> tozz: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636 09:30 < HoopyCat> tozz: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636 ... give those a... damn you, tasaro 09:30 < HoopyCat> :-) 09:30 < path-> ha ha, you're slow 09:30 < tasaro> linbot has them somewhere, but he's effectively given me the finger 09:31 < tasaro> 09:29 You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes. 09:31 < HoopyCat> linbot is still a little weird after the kidnapping 09:31 * mwalling blames scott for putting the idea in linbot's head 09:32 < chesty> !download 09:32 < scott> no sex like bot sex 09:32 < chesty> tasaro: my linode is booted, but the panel shows the boot button, not the shutdown button. I have a migration pending 09:32 < tozz> all of them are <100kb/s :< 09:32 < tozz> I usually cap out at 1.8mb/s 09:33 < silverblade> lol cake 09:33 < mikegrb> lolz 09:33 -!- linbot [~supybot@ns.theshore.net] has quit [Quit: fixing myself] 09:33 < tasaro> traceroute / mtr ? --> pb.linode.com 09:33 < tasaro> chesty: one sec 09:34 < HoopyCat> tozz: have you considered living in canada? 09:34 < praetorian> !speedtest 09:34 < chesty> tasaro, when i say my, i mean epochlabs 09:34 < praetorian> o 09:34 < tozz> HoopyCat: well a classmate told it was like the US but with sugar coating 09:34 < tozz> and US wasn't all that cracked up.. ;) 09:34 -!- linbot [~supybot@ns.theshore.net] has joined #linode 09:34 < chesty> praetorian: linbot left the chat room. (Quit: fixing myself) 09:34 < tasaro> chesty: Your Linode is currently 09:34 < tasaro> Powered Off 09:34 < mikegrb> chesty: liar he's right there 09:35 < mikegrb> !speed 09:35 < caker> !download 09:35 < linbot> http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636 09:35 < tasaro> !speedtest 09:35 < mikegrb> !speedtest 09:35 < linbot> http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636 09:35 < caker> !setup 09:35 < linbot> setup is not a verb. Please see http://notaverb.com/ 09:35 < mikegrb> t/hee 09:35 < chesty> tasaro: i beg to differ ;) 09:35 < path-> wow, linbot can even fix itself 09:36 < tozz> holy.. 200ms for a ping 09:37 < tozz> yeah, atlanta is a lot better 09:38 < zeroday> who here be good with regex? 09:38 < tozz> only 540's available, guess I'll wait 09:39 < path-> !avail-all 09:39 < tasaro> chesty: should be shutting down now 09:39 < linbot> Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0 , Dallas360 - 3, Dallas540 - 14, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 0, Atlanta540 - 8, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0 09:39 < path-> they go like hotcakes 09:40 < tozz> yeah 09:40 < tozz> if I weren't looking for a job I'd just upgrade :p 09:40 < Dave> zeroday: what you trying to do? 09:41 < chesty> tasaro: cheers, i was more just letting you know of a possible bug 09:41 < tasaro> chesty: thanks - we're looking into it 09:41 < zeroday> Dave, you know you can ([^/]+), but how would I make it stop when it matches for example the string 'foo' 09:41 -!- rsl [~rsl@c-24-98-104-133.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linode 09:42 < Dave> ([^/]+)foo? 09:42 < zeroday> I want it to stop the match when it matches foo 09:46 < Dave> so that is matching any character other than / right? 09:46 < zeroday> the whole string, instead of the char / 09:46 < Dave> no, its matching crap between /'s 09:47 < zeroday> the / isnt part of the match I want, it was an example 09:48 < zeroday> instead of stopping it /, I want it to stop at the word foo 09:48 < Dave> oh 09:48 < Dave> (?!foo) 09:52 < Dave> something like that anyway 09:56 -!- mendel [~rich@TOROON12-1279379717.sdsl.bell.ca] has joined #linode 10:02 < Dave> zeroday: you have me stumped, Im still trying to work this out 10:02 < zeroday> heh 10:06 < Dave> zeroday: what language are you using? perl and ruby have a split method that splits on a regexp, so would that not be easier? 10:06 < zeroday> I tried in perl, I gave up 10:08 < Dave> @array = split /foo/, $x; ? 10:08 -!- lakin [~lakin@S01060013101832cd.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #linode 10:08 < Dave> @array being the output and $x being the sting to split 10:09 < Dave> string 10:10 -!- darkbeholder [darkbehold@191.140.240.220.dynamic.dsl.comindico.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13 -!- r3z`` [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #linode 10:13 -!- r3z` [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:25 -!- darkbeholder [~darkbehol@176.4.240.220.dynamic.dsl.rns01-kent-syd.comindico.com.au] has joined #linode 10:29 -!- hobbes006 [~hobbes006@cm45.kappa209.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #linode 10:30 -!- hobbes006 [~hobbes006@cm45.kappa209.maxonline.com.sg] has left #linode [] 10:32 -!- Infinito [~argos@200-140-155-228.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #linode 10:34 -!- hpj [~hpj@189.190.13.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49 < path-> i've got a weird dns server issue 10:50 < path-> i've got some domain that isn't resolving right. their ns1 works, but their ns2 is in some routing loop 10:50 < path-> but bind doesn't appear to try the other server 10:50 < path-> i thought bind just did that automatically 10:51 < tjfontaine> well I'd guess a loop doesn't imply brokeness, per se 10:52 < path-> but you can't contact the dns server 10:52 < path-> mtr loops going to it 10:52 < path-> ns2.ccmturbo.com 10:52 < path-> i suppose the obvious thing would be to get them to fix their stuff 10:53 < tjfontaine> oh route loop, guess you wait on TTL in that case :) 10:54 < path-> yea, i'm wondering if there is some bind option i'm missing 10:54 < path-> cause my bind at work and on my linode say connection timed out 10:54 < tjfontaine> probably a timeout ... 10:54 -!- ondrej [ondra@th203p02-kme.fav.zcu.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:54 < path-> but if i use the linode dns servers in my resolve.conf, they work fine 10:54 -!- ondrej [ondra@th203p02-kme.fav.zcu.cz] has joined #linode 10:54 < path-> so if there is a timeout, why isn't it going to the next 10:57 < Dave> path-: what domain? 10:57 < path-> childcaremanager.com is what i'm trying to resolve 10:58 < path-> ns1 works 10:58 < path-> ns1.ccmturbo.com works.. ns2.ccmturbo.com gives me routing loops from multiple locations 10:58 < Dave> ns2 is dead, but it is resolving fine for me 10:59 < path-> you using bind? 10:59 < path-> using linode's dns servers? 10:59 < Dave> im using my works atm 10:59 < Dave> linodes resolve it fine 10:59 < path-> i'm wondering if i'm missing something on my bind config 11:00 < path-> cause my bind servers at work and my linode are all timing out 11:00 < Dave> Im guessing so, since 2 out of 2 dns servers resolve it for me :) 11:00 < path-> but other places it works 11:00 < path-> annoying 11:08 -!- cyzo [~cyzo@static-151-204-231-176.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #linode 11:10 < cyzo> Is it normal for the linode DHCP to assign the other IP? I ordered another IP address for my node and after reboot it was now the IP assigned to the machine and I was not able to login using the other IP. Are there any special settings I need to set to use the new IP? The two IPs are compltely different. I'm running Debian Etch. 11:10 < path-> you probably want to statically set them both 11:11 < path-> s/want/ought/ 11:12 -!- kassah-lappy [~kassah@24-116-150-254.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #linode 11:12 < Dave> cyzo: you can set them... 11:12 < Dave> yeah 11:13 -!- Sputnik7 [~Sputnik7@c-71-192-5-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #linode 11:13 < mendel> cyzo: Specifically, you can't use DHCP for both. 11:14 < Dave> cyzo: http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Configure_Static_IP 11:16 < Dave> I believe the 2 interfaces are eth0:0 and eth0:1 11:16 < cyzo> k, thanks 11:16 < cyzo> I have one set manually right now so just have to add the other I guess 11:16 < cyzo> and its gateway 11:16 < rsl> very strange slowness installing ri and rdoc for rubygems: http://pastie.org/193021. last time this was happening my swap wasn't mounted. it's showing up as /dev/ubdb and it's listed in cat /proc/swaps. any ideas what's going on? 11:16 < rsl> shouldn't be taking 22 minutes to gem install rails 11:24 -!- ondrej [ondra@th203p02-kme.fav.zcu.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:24 -!- ondrej [ondra@th203p02-kme.fav.zcu.cz] has joined #linode 11:45 -!- hfb [~hfb@pool-71-118-254-245.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #linode 11:45 -!- lakin [~lakin@S01060013101832cd.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:48 -!- lakin [~lakin@s01060013101832cd.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #linode 11:51 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-230-0.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #linode 11:53 -!- lakin [~lakin@s01060013101832cd.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [] 11:53 -!- lakin [~lakin@S01060013101832cd.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #linode 12:01 < HoopyCat> "The man may've mistaken a window for a door," Turner said. "We're not sure if alcohol was involved or not." 12:03 < r3z``> Any bandwidth issues in dallas? 12:03 -!- r3z`` is now known as r3 12:03 -!- r3 is now known as r3z 12:03 < caker> yes, too much bandwidth 12:03 < r3z> I am trying to upload to my server and it is usually fricking 2megabytes\sec now it is 40k\s 12:03 < r3z> hrm 12:03 * r3z goes off to check routes 12:05 < cruxeternus> Did they actually do the link upgrade yesterday? My ssh session never dropped. :) 12:05 < caker> they did 12:05 < cruxeternus> Well, can't be any more painless than that. 12:06 < caker> Port utilization: 7% (on the primary link) :) 12:06 < cruxeternus> What was typical before? 12:06 < caker> 75% (100mbit vs 1000mbit) 12:06 < cruxeternus> Ah, sweet. 12:06 < caker> I haz bandwidth! 12:07 < cruxeternus> In Ur Fiberz Tranzmittn Ur Fotons 12:07 < caker> urbertubens! 12:08 * cruxeternus tests new links. :P 12:08 < scorche|sh> cruxeternus: mine dropped =P 12:08 < caker> mine did not 12:08 < caker> usually if you leave them alone during the blip they'll stay connected 12:08 < scorche|sh> 7%?....sounds like a lot of new TP host are going to be going in =P 12:08 < r3z> Weird 12:09 < r3z> Upload from my office is 60k\s download is 2+megabytes\sec 12:09 < cruxeternus> Yeah... didn't try to sync during changeover... so neither server nor client was the wiser. 12:09 < r3z> I checked my upload to another site and it works fine 12:09 < r3z> wtf 12:09 < cruxeternus> 2.5MB/sec!! 12:09 < r3z> hrm strange 12:09 < r3z> we have 25MBit up and down here ;) 12:11 < cruxeternus> Well, I pulled to my linode at 2.5MB/sec. 12:12 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:12 < cruxeternus> caker: Are our bursts throttled per linode? I'm not complaining at all, 2.5MB/sec is way more than I'll ever need... just curious. 12:13 < scorche|sh> as i understand, they are, but above a limit that we would normally hit 12:14 < caker> outbound traffic is throttled on 35Mbits/set on Xen and 4000 packets per second on both UML and Xen 12:14 < caker> *sec 12:14 < r3z> per linode? 12:14 < caker> yup 12:14 < r3z> k 12:14 < cruxeternus> cool 12:15 < caker> I think we did that only on the public interface .. I'd need to check that 12:15 < mikegrb> lies 12:15 * cruxeternus DDoS's the internal network. 12:18 < cruxeternus> This is probably the first service I've ever used where the service gets better over time. 12:18 -!- Infinito [~argos@200-140-155-228.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:19 < HoopyCat> linode is like a fine wine 12:19 < cruxeternus> They're no Comcast, that's for sure. 12:20 < scorche|sh> HoopyCat: scotch 12:20 < zeroday> im using LWP::useragent to grab stuff from a site, can I collect the info as an array, like when you read from a file? 12:20 -!- tongucyumruk [~user@hopper.cs.bilgi.edu.tr] has joined #linode 12:20 < cruxeternus> I think you're looking for #perl :P 12:21 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has joined #linode 12:21 < mikegrb> zeroday: yes 12:21 < mikegrb> you have a string that has all of the lines and want an array with each element representing a line? 12:21 < purrdeta> 5/w 28 12:22 < purrdeta> oh fail 12:22 < mikegrb> my @lines = split (/\n/, $page); 12:23 < zeroday> hm..that didnt seem to work 12:23 < mikegrb> lies 12:23 < zeroday> no lies, I dont get the same output when I read it from a file and do the processing on it 12:24 < mikegrb> how are you reading it from the file? 12:24 < zeroday> my @lines = 12:24 < mikegrb> forgetting to chomp the \n?s 12:24 < zeroday> prolly, perl isnt my strong point 12:24 < mikegrb> and how is the output different? 12:24 < mikegrb> I dunno if slurping a file that way has \n's on the end or not 12:24 < mikegrb> you can test with 'print @lines;' 12:25 < mikegrb> if it prints one line per line then they are there, if it is all on one line, they aren't 12:25 < zeroday> its diff. it doesnt show urls like my test html file saved from the site 12:25 < mwalling> p.linode.com 12:26 < zeroday> it shows it with newline on the cmd output 12:27 < mikegrb> I usually use LWP::Simple 12:28 < mikegrb> my $page = get ('http://mwalling.com/etc/shadow'); 12:28 < mwalling> Never Gonna Give You Up 12:28 < mikegrb> my @lines = split (/\n/, $page); 12:28 < zeroday> gah, found another problem 12:29 < mikegrb> print 'mwalling has ,' $#lines, ' users for me to exploit', "\n"; 12:29 < Dave> zeroday: did that other split work? 12:29 < mikegrb> exit 0; 12:29 < zeroday> im not 100% sure yet, i saved a new html and it seems to work with my script, but not the irssi one 12:33 -!- arooni-mobile [~arooni__@c-24-19-234-159.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #linode 12:36 -!- tongucyumruk [~user@hopper.cs.bilgi.edu.tr] has quit [Quit: (save-lisp-and-die)] 12:39 -!- lakin [~lakin@S01060013101832cd.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:49 -!- cyzo [~cyzo@static-151-204-231-176.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: cyzo] 12:53 * caker builds another 64 bit domU 12:54 -!- LaVista [Chadk@0x5731f515.odnxx11.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #linode 12:55 < LaVista> I'm just wondering. Can I expect my linode to have the same IP forever, or is it dynamic? 12:56 < kvandivo> forever is a long time 12:56 < LaVista> Well 12:56 < mwalling> as long as you're in the same data center, you get the same ip 12:56 < LaVista> For months. 12:56 < mwalling> if you move from dc to dc, it changes 12:56 < HoopyCat> diamonds aren't even forever 12:56 < LaVista> So I hear they are! 12:57 < jadoba> LaVista: you obviously have never met the Godsend which is the blendtek blender 12:57 < LaVista> ROFL! 12:57 < mikegrb> roflz 12:57 < jadoba> oh, also, chuck norris is indestructable 12:57 < HoopyCat> diamond dust... don't breathe this! 12:58 -!- lanstin [~lanstin@www.austin-lane.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:58 < LaVista> Why not? 12:58 < LaVista> It's some nice carbon. 12:58 -!- rainkid [~60e8e70b@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 12:59 < jadoba> LaVista: because if you breathe diamond dust, your lungs will last forever 12:59 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-230-0.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:59 < LaVista> ... which is bad? 12:59 < rainkid> GNAX having issues again? 12:59 < jadoba> yes, your rotting corpse will still be breathing 13:00 < jadoba> and we don't want that 13:00 -!- rolandx [~c81f732d@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 13:01 < rainkid> only 94% packet loss! go 6%! 13:01 < rolandx> hey 13:02 -!- jdlspeedy [~41534462@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 13:02 < rolandx> problems only with host83 or all the datacenter at atlanta? 13:02 -!- ElectricElf [~dbharris@bas1-toronto48-1279295690.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:02 < jdlspeedy> im having problems to 13:02 < rainkid> i can honestly say that in my 13 years of computing, GNAX Atlanta has been the most 13:02 < rainkid> problematic datacenter i have ever been on 13:03 < rolandx> 30 packets transmitted, 1 received, 96% packet loss, time 29033ms 13:03 < jkwood> "Diamonds: Because zombies aren't really that bad." 13:03 < jdlspeedy> im on atlanta22 13:03 < caker> it's not the datacenter's fault when someone DDoSs a Linode .. which is what looks like is going on 13:03 -!- duncan [~duncan@a-chinaman.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:03 < jdlspeedy> gah 13:04 -!- ascii [~ccn@64.22.124.232] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04 < rainkid> atlanta's track record hasnt been very well in the last 6 months 13:04 -!- Beirdo [~gjhurlbu@beirdo.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04 < rainkid> isnt this the second DDoS on an Atlanta linode in the past 2 or 3 weeks? 13:04 < jkwood> I'm sorry to hear that it's feeling ill. 13:06 -!- ejulson [~cec3c1fe@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 13:07 -!- D[a]rkbeholder [~darkbehol@200.17.240.220.dynamic.dsl.rns02-kent-syd.comindico.com.au] has joined #linode 13:08 -!- sakaal [~sam@75.127.96.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09 -!- rainkid [~60e8e70b@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10 -!- calm1 [~greg@bas3-kitchener06-1096622598.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #linode 13:10 -!- ascii [~ccn@64.22.124.232] has joined #linode 13:10 -!- duncan [~duncan@64.22.124.146] has joined #linode 13:10 -!- Beirdo [~gjhurlbu@beirdo.user.oftc.net] has joined #linode 13:11 < rolandx> mmm 13:11 < rolandx> 8 packets transmitted, 8 received, 0% packet loss, time 7000ms 13:11 < rolandx> seems to be ok now 13:11 -!- darkbeholder [~darkbehol@176.4.240.220.dynamic.dsl.rns01-kent-syd.comindico.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:11 -!- sakaal [~sam@75.127.96.25] has joined #linode 13:12 < jdlspeedy> way to go caker 13:13 < rolandx> 87 packets transmitted, 84 received, 3% packet loss, time 86034ms 13:13 < calm1> Cleaning lady trip over router power cord lately? 13:13 < Bdragon> hahahaha 13:13 < Bdragon> oh man... 13:13 < rolandx> hahaha lol 13:13 < mikegrb> lolz 13:13 < tasaro> that's the 73rd time that's happened this month. this datacenter sucks! 13:13 < calm1> Yeah, but it's CLEAN! 13:13 * Bdragon imagines an old lady in a bandana with a vacuum going around in theplanet 13:14 < LaVista> :D 13:14 * LaVista can't take datacenter dust 13:14 < tasaro> caker: can i be moved to another datacenter that has the same chance of being dos'd ? 13:14 < mwalling> Bdragon: AN... TP hasnt broken yet today 13:14 < SpaceHobo> LaVista: worst is one of the sysadmins who worked here before me had long long wiry curly hair, and we're still pulling it out of velcro bundles and floor tiles 13:14 < Bdragon> .. unplugging random servers to plug in the Oreck... 13:14 < calm1> LOL! 13:14 < mikegrb> lolz 13:15 < path-> that use to happen here 13:15 < path-> back in the day we had these old data general floor standing servers 13:15 < path-> used 110 13:16 < path-> and they plugged in the vacuum and it all tripped 13:16 < calm1> Hahahaha! 13:16 < path-> so now half the outlets in the room are not wired in 13:16 < SpaceHobo> 110 in the DC: NEVER AGAIN 13:16 -!- ondrej [ondra@th203p02-kme.fav.zcu.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:16 < SpaceHobo> man, moving to europe was such a step up: 220 everywhere, and nice commando connectors 13:16 < path-> yea, now everything we have is on dedicated circuits with twistlocks.. but we still have lots of disconnected outlets in the room 13:16 -!- bpk [~bpk@66-224-236-225.atgi.net] has joined #linode 13:17 < path-> i heard the connectors in uk are safer 13:17 < path-> but a bit bulky 13:17 < calm1> After all the stupid people are killed by the higher voltage everyone else is more careful. 13:17 < path-> i've only been there once and never paid too much attention 13:17 < mwalling> voltage doesnt kill 13:17 < HoopyCat> i'm an infrastructure guy 13:18 < HoopyCat> i notice outlets *everywhere* :-) 13:18 < path-> well at the time i was a kid 13:18 < calm1> No, voltage doesn't kill, but it DOES push that nasty current through if you have enough of it. 13:18 < path-> although i heard a story once about me being 5 and dragging and extension cord to the kiddy pool in the backyard 13:18 < jdlspeedy> its the amps that kills 13:19 < calm1> Voltage doesn't kill people, BOFHs kill people. :) 13:19 < jkwood> lol 13:19 < mikegrb> lolz 13:19 < jkwood> Voltage USUALLY doesn't kill people. 13:19 < calm1> *bzzzzrt!* 13:19 < mwalling> jkwood: voltage doesnt kill 13:20 < rolandx> it just helps to die 13:20 < Bdragon> Voltage doesn't kill.. We'd all be dead from static-related injuries if it did 13:20 < fred> Hmm, apparently google have decided but not told me yet :| 13:20 * jdlspeedy put a paperclip in the wall socket when i was 5, heh 13:20 < mwalling> you could kill your self with 12v as much as you could kill yourself from 365kV 13:20 < fred> erm... wrong window 13:20 < mwalling> fred: heh 13:20 < HoopyCat> it doesn't matter which kills you, you're still dead if you play with that young man 13:20 < Bdragon> Hell, you can kill yourself with a 9v battery if you bypass the skin's resistance by sticking pins in yourself... 13:20 < calm1> Voltage doesn't kill people, coulombs per second kills people. 13:21 < HoopyCat> Bdragon: it's a shame i don't have a piece of 9V-powered test equipment with sharp probes on my desk... hmm 13:23 * calm1 is glad he can get to his Linode again. 13:25 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:26 < cruxeternus> And to the credit of a datacenter... yesterday's upgrade at TP went flawlessly. :P 13:26 < jadoba> cruxeternus: don't worry, we will find something to complain about anyway 13:27 < rolandx> which datacenter has the record of less problems? 13:27 < cruxeternus> rolandx: Every data center has problems. 13:27 < rolandx> yeah i know 13:27 < jadoba> keyword: less 13:27 < cruxeternus> I know but... it's like a lottery really. 13:27 < jadoba> rolandx: i think dallas (tp) has a notoriety of being very choice 13:27 < cruxeternus> And past performance is not necessarily an indicator of future conditions :/ 13:28 < calm1> Yeah. The "lucky" datacentre is about due! :) 13:28 < cruxeternus> My point is... I don't think migrating DC's to try and avoid downtimes is practical. 13:28 < tasaro> cruxeternus++ 13:29 < cruxeternus> It's like picking lines at the grocery store. 13:29 < calm1> LOL 13:29 < mikegrb> lolz 13:29 < cruxeternus> If you move to another one, that one will hang up. 13:29 < mwalling> you always get stuck behind the dude with the check that wont scan 13:29 < HoopyCat> cruxeternus: also, any line i'm in will be the slowest, guaranteed 13:29 < cruxeternus> Precisely. 13:29 < HoopyCat> (it's uncanny but true) 13:29 < cruxeternus> HoopyCat: That's true for 100% of shoppers. There's some quantum weirdness involved. 13:29 < bd_> Not to mention migrating datacenters requires a good bit of downtime :) 13:30 < jkwood> HoopyCat: If you didn't drag all your purchases behind you on a bear skin, you'd get through faster. 13:30 -!- calm1 [~greg@bas3-kitchener06-1096622598.dsl.bell.ca] has left #linode [] 13:30 < SpaceHobo> path-: the wall sockets are bulky because the plugs have fuses in them. for servers in the DC you use IEC connectors inside the racks, like anyone else, but you get nice fat blue commando plugs to connect to the high-current feeds 13:31 -!- Athenon [~Athenon@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Quit: またね！] 13:31 < rolandx> well i like atlanta because it has good responses times from here :) 13:31 -!- calm1 [~greg@bas3-kitchener06-1096622598.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #linode 13:31 < mwalling> rolandx: then use atlanta 13:31 < mwalling> anyone here have vmware-fu? 13:31 < jadoba> mwalling: speak 13:31 < tjfontaine> I use vmware lots of places, define -fu 13:32 < cruxeternus> Atlanta also has a theoretical advantage to being the target of fewer DDoS'es overall, since they don't allow IRC servers. But as you can see, theory and reality are two different cans of fish. 13:32 < mwalling> i started a disk defrag from the disk device properties window... there's no cancel button 13:32 < jadoba> yep 13:32 < jkwood> Well, there's your problem right there. You should never eat fish from a can. 13:33 < calm1> Wow. People still do disk defrags? 13:33 < mwalling> jadoba: so once you start a defrag you better hope it doesnt get interrupted? 13:33 * caker stabs domu build process 13:33 < jadoba> mwalling: you got backups, right? :D 13:33 < jkwood> calm1: You're doing it wrong. Behold. 13:33 < mwalling> jadoba: not yet :/ 13:33 < jkwood> ! People still use disk defrags!?!? 13:33 < jadoba> burn a dvd before you defrag a vmimage 13:33 < mwalling> oops 13:34 < HoopyCat> burn some incense while you do 13:34 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has joined #linode 13:34 < calm1> Ah, ok. Thanks jkwood ! 13:34 < jadoba> mwalling: what HoopyCat said, yes 13:34 < jkwood> You're welcome. 13:34 * mwalling prays the battery in that ups still holds 13:34 < jadoba> also, chanting irish folklore is a must 13:35 < jadoba> mwalling: youre like, fucked and stuff 13:35 < jadoba> oh i know 13:35 < jadoba> go find another UPS and plug that one into it 13:35 < mwalling> heh 13:35 < jkwood> XD 13:35 * mwalling just crosses his fingers 13:35 < jadoba> just hope you have a fire extinguisher handy 13:35 < caker> hachi: ping? 13:35 < HoopyCat> totally boned 13:36 * mwalling slides over to his desk to flex some regexp fu 13:37 < jdlspeedy> caker: so was it a DDoS? 13:38 < caker> yup 13:38 -!- simlun [~simon@84-217-156-233.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #linode 13:38 < jdlspeedy> thats gotta be fun 13:38 < calm1> Has it stopped or is it just being "dealt with"? 13:39 < caker> null routed the targeted IP 13:39 < calm1> LOL. That would qualify as "dealt with." Glad it's not my IP. 13:39 < mikegrb> lolz 13:40 < jdlspeedy> so basically the targeted linode won't have no linode access from that IP? 13:40 < cruxeternus> uh.. double negative 13:41 < jdlspeedy> would have no* 13:41 < caker> they wont be wanting to have no access for no longer 13:41 < cruxeternus> lolz 13:41 < caker> I'll tell you what 13:41 < tasaro> mayan 13:42 < HoopyCat> chickenbutt, that's what. 13:42 < caker> The worst part is that AtlantaNAPs hold music rick rolls you 13:42 < cruxeternus> hahaha 13:42 < calm1> Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo! 13:42 < mwalling> seriously? 13:42 < caker> yup 13:42 < cruxeternus> Never gonna route you up 13:42 < jadoba> duuuuude 13:42 * jadoba considers the possibilities 13:42 < tjfontaine> I bet they just think that's hilarious 13:42 < calm1> FAIL. 13:42 < caker> as I sit hear singing that song .. I don't find it very funny 13:43 < caker> *here 13:43 < caker> ... 13:43 * jadoba knows someone who does everything possible not to be rickrolled 13:43 < tjfontaine> PUN 13:43 < calm1> A company I used to work at had Monty Python Sings on their hold music. 13:43 < SpaceHobo> jadoba: I have flashblock, and have never seen the video 13:43 < jkwood> Neither do the rest of us, caker. 13:43 < fred> calm1: Sit on my face? 13:43 < calm1> Yep. It was there. 13:43 < SpaceHobo> jadoba: in fact, until recently I thought it was another goatse/2girls1cup kind of thing. 13:43 < cruxeternus> jadoba: NoFlash is key. 13:43 < jadoba> SpaceHobo: this man does not install flash, and additionally runs every URL he gets through curl to see what it is first 13:44 < calm1> LOL! 13:44 < mikegrb> lolz 13:44 < SpaceHobo> anyway, I don't care much any more 13:44 < calm1> And he NEVER visits reddit, I guess. 13:44 < SpaceHobo> but I've never had the incentive to watch that video 13:44 < cruxeternus> jadoba: He can still be text roll'd. 13:44 < jkwood> jadoba: http://prankdialer.com/rickroll.php 13:44 < Bdragon> My primary webbrowser has no plugins except for npnul32 (which I might remove just so I don't see puzzle pieces ;) 13:44 < jadoba> cruxeternus: he figures that doesnt count 13:44 < cruxeternus> lol, rick roll callbacks? muahaha 13:44 < mikegrb> lolz 13:44 < caker> SpaceHobo: pm? 13:45 < SpaceHobo> caker: sure 13:45 < cruxeternus> omg 13:45 < cruxeternus> answering your telephone is never going to be the same 13:45 < jdlspeedy> caker: gr, sorry for the way im typing, im bad at it 13:46 < cruxeternus> Make sure to never give me your phone number. 13:46 * calm1 furiously types his friends' work numbers... 13:46 < HoopyCat> cruxeternus: x7425 on the pbx at used-to-work-there was always a popular one to use on noobs 13:47 < cruxeternus> heh 13:47 < HoopyCat> "Mr. Jenkins, this is Ryan in the NOC... just looking to make sure your e-mail is working. Give me a shout back at extension 7425 as soon as you get this." *hangs up, watches console attentively* 13:48 < cruxeternus> Such delicious pranks. 13:50 < Bdragon> play 'nobody-but-chickens' 13:50 < SpaceHobo> HoopyCat: what's special about 7425? meetme extension? 13:50 < SpaceHobo> conference? 13:51 < HoopyCat> SpaceHobo: RICK 13:51 < silverblade> dial-a-song! 13:51 < SpaceHobo> HoopyCat: Oh, I see. 13:51 < hachi> caker: I'm here 13:51 < Bdragon> and the "fun" section in general... http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+sound+files+additional 13:52 < caker> hachi: I have a kernel for you to try .. I think we need to move you to Xen first, though, right? 13:52 * caker checks ticket 13:52 < hachi> I dropped anote in the ticket, and to you last night saying that I felt like an arse and wanted you to not drop the effort 13:52 < HoopyCat> bdragon: 585-419-8285 is my throwaway phone number ;-) 13:52 < hachi> sorry that you didn't get that 13:53 < HoopyCat> o/~ sometimes you feel like an arse, sometimes you don't... o/~ 13:53 < caker> hachi: ? You weren't an ass .. No worries at all -- you can be my guinea pig 13:53 < Bdragon> oh man, reading tht list totally makes me want to set up asterisk again.... 13:53 < hachi> well, that I don't mind 13:53 < Bdragon> "This is not the extension you are looking for." 13:53 < Bdragon> heh 13:53 < hachi> 42426 13:54 < SpaceHobo> 242 sighting! 13:54 * silverblade sighs... one of his parents appears to have turned the machine off that he was doing a dist-upgrade on 13:55 < Bdragon> That's what post-it notes are for. 13:55 < HoopyCat> silverblade: assume good faith! perhaps it was on fire, or maybe the power went out. 13:55 < silverblade> firewall machine is still up. 13:55 < mwalling> caker: you forgot to cover guinea-pig's ears 13:55 < silverblade> showing uptime of 8 days 13:55 < silverblade> either that or xubuntu decided to sleep. 13:55 -!- arooni-mobile [~arooni__@c-24-19-234-159.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:56 -!- irgeek [~irgeek@h-69-3-128-173.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #linode 13:56 < HoopyCat> i have fond memories of my teenage years, having a half dozen computers on the same circuit as the laundry room... 13:56 < hachi> I don't actually mind, I try to build my machines so I can care less if they format themselves or crash in the middle of the night 13:56 -!- Toba__ [~eastein@pool-141-154-120-175.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #linode 13:57 < hachi> I do trust xen in the 3.x series, but I figure pragmatism is good 13:57 < caker> hachi: ticket updated! 13:58 < r3z> Anyone wanna buy a bike(specialized crossroads) ;) 13:58 < jadoba> r3z: owe someone money? 13:58 < r3z> Nah 13:58 -!- jm [~fake@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:59 < r3z> Gonna buy a full suspension mountain bike ;) 13:59 * hachi pokes the tube provider 13:59 * HoopyCat runs around screaming in terror 13:59 < HoopyCat> wikipedia is broken! i am clueless! 13:59 < bpk> I'm thinking about getting a linode but I'm concerned about bursty disk io in the xen domu, are the vbds phy or loop devices? 13:59 < hachi> HoopyCat: use http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ 14:00 < bpk> I've had bad experience with loop vbds in the past in domu when setting up databases and stuff 14:00 < jadoba> bpk: lvm volumes, iirc... 14:00 < HoopyCat> hachi: ooh, that's awesome 14:00 < bpk> I assume that phy over lvm then? loop over lvm would seem silly I guess 14:00 < hachi> I think it's a hilarious joke... like 'istwitterdown.com' 14:01 -!- Toba [~eastein@pool-141-154-33-125.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:01 < bpk> also are the disks on a san or in each box? I guess the real question I have is there some kind of redundancy for the disk images 14:02 < irgeek> bpk: The disks are RAID protected, but backups are up to you. 14:05 < irgeek> Also, Linode doesn't grossly oversell their services. I haven't moved to xen yet, but under UML I've never seen bursty IO or IO so low I can't operate--except when I ran out of IO tokens, but the IO shaper is gone in xen. 14:08 < bpk> I understand the need for limiting IO, it's the burstyness that bothers me, on some test xen servers before using loop devices I would get something like 600MB/s throughput for half a second, then it would hang the whole vm while the dom0 flushed it out 14:08 < bpk> I would prefer to have a lower throughput without the freezing basically :) 14:09 < bpk> thanks for the info guys 14:11 < hachi> I keep spare IO tokens in my pocket for emergencies like that 14:12 < HoopyCat> you know, keeping them in your pocket isn't good... the heat will cause them to degrade 14:13 < kvandivo> because he's got a hot pocket? 14:13 < hachi> could turn this into a joke about wearing hot pants 14:13 < jkwood> HoopyCat: They're special high-temperature IO token. 14:14 < jkwood> hachi: That's our next new meme. Thank you. 14:14 * jkwood writes down "hachi wears hot pants" 14:14 -!- bpk [~bpk@66-224-236-225.atgi.net] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12] 14:16 < hachi> so, I'm just not seeing a way to upload my own distro, is the workflow to do this to actually make a little partition, boot into the recovery OS, upload the iso image, etc.? 14:17 < hachi> or am I just missing the button that does it easy 14:17 < cruxeternus> hachi: Yes. 14:17 < cruxeternus> that's how I do it. 14:17 < hachi> okay 14:17 < caker> hachi: the recovery image is broken under Xen, so deploy another small distro 14:17 < cruxeternus> I use Debian Etch to bootstrap from. 14:17 < hachi> ooof, I'm trying to upload debian :) 14:17 < caker> deploy a small distro + a larger image, mount the image on the small distro (add it to the config profile), boot it, mount the image, lob your files up 14:17 < caker> etc 14:17 < cruxeternus> hachi: uh, heh 14:17 < hachi> dokidoki 14:18 < hachi> I'm assuming the 'debian' I can choose on the page is actually debian 32bit 14:18 < scott> yes 14:18 < hachi> tubes are clogged today 14:20 < jkwood> Your hot pants are just rubbing hard on the sides of the tubes. 14:22 < Zotnix> Those linode alert things scare me. 14:22 < Zotnix> Hehe. 14:22 < Zotnix> disk io again :( 14:22 < cruxeternus> You should just cache that darn bible :P 14:23 < tasaro> raise the threshold 14:23 < Zotnix> Gunna. 14:24 < nickj> oink! 14:24 < irgeek> I feel left out. I've never gotten a linode alert. 14:24 < HoopyCat> ceiling cat is watching you compile memcached 14:24 -!- binel_ [~h00s@78-0-14-196.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #linode 14:24 < hachi> what version of memcached? 14:24 < hachi> please say at least 1.2.5 14:24 < HoopyCat> ceiling cat's eyes aren't that good 14:27 < hachi> although.... 1.2.6 might not be out yet... I forget if that got finished 14:27 < cruxeternus> blasphemy 14:30 -!- binel [~h00s@78-1-159-2.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:32 < hachi> get partway through this dance and realize... why am I trying to upload a disk image 14:32 < hachi> debootstrap will work better and easier 14:35 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@yttrium.canonical.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:36 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:38 -!- calm1 [~greg@bas3-kitchener06-1096622598.dsl.bell.ca] has left #linode [] 14:39 -!- calm1 [~greg@bas3-kitchener06-1096622598.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #linode 14:39 -!- calm1 [~greg@bas3-kitchener06-1096622598.dsl.bell.ca] has left #linode [] 14:41 < cruxeternus> hachi: That's what I use. :) 14:43 -!- andrew_j_w [~andrew@88-97-29-168.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #linode 14:44 -!- hpj [~hpj@189.190.13.210] has joined #linode 14:45 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has joined #linode 14:45 < hachi> hey, uh.... linode.com/members/index.cfm... I think 14:46 < hachi> the font on the right hand side there has serif, nothing else on the site does 14:47 < cruxeternus> Must be your browser font settings.... sans here :/ 14:47 < hachi> maybe I halted the loading while css was coming up, it was looking odd to me 14:47 < jkwood> Sans here. 14:50 < hachi> ahh... nope, it wasn't me... it's firefox 3 ruining it 14:56 -!- hpj [~hpj@189.190.13.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:57 -!- lakin [~lakin@S01060013101832cd.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #linode 14:58 * iggy curb stomps ff3 15:01 < silverblade> am i able to play around with iptables on a UML node? 15:01 < linbot> New news from wiki: Debian Etch || Useful Commands 15:02 < cruxeternus> You can on Xen. 15:02 -!- hpj [~hpj@189.190.13.210] has joined #linode 15:02 < mwalling> and in UML 15:03 < mwalling> to the extent of the compilied in modules 15:03 < mwalling> (which, iirc, is almost all of them 15:03 < irgeek> Which is pretty extensive. 15:03 < path-> which is a lot 15:05 < irgeek> config for current 2.6 kernel: http://p.linode.com/750 15:06 < hachi> caker: I've updated the ticket... and halted what I'm doing so you can run tests if you wish... or I can just restart my process and see if it's a transient glitch. 15:08 < caker> hmm 15:10 < rolandx> if i want another linode is necesary that i create a new user for that?? 15:10 < mikegrb> TJF: your js injection rickroll attempt failed <3 15:10 < hachi> I just backed out of lish so I don't attach to the console when you wanted to 15:11 < caker> rolandx: for now it is (append 2 or whatever to your username) -- but soon it won't matter 15:11 < tasaro> rolandx: If billing information is the same, just "Add a Linode" in the upper right of your Dashboard 15:11 < rolandx> tasaro: yeah i used that option, but still need to create another account 15:12 < TJF> mikegrb: that xss was a mere distraction 15:12 < rolandx> this new linode will run on xen right? 15:12 < silverblade> can i do masquerade in UML with iptables? 15:12 < silverblade> (is the exact question!) 15:12 < TJF> mikegrb: but the fact that you read the code should count just the same 15:13 < caker> silverblade: zgrep MASQ /proc/config.gz 15:13 < irgeek> silverblade: Line 382: CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_MASQUERADE=y 15:13 < mikegrb> TJF: I didn't read it! tasaro told me about it 15:13 -!- r3z [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:13 < hachi> hah 15:13 < TJF> mikegrb: drat, foiled again 15:13 -!- r3z [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #linode 15:13 < hachi> one issues a grep, the other shows the output 15:13 < mikegrb> tasaro: <3 15:14 < TJF> tasaro: is the rickwall 15:14 < caker> hachi: huh .. that kernel works on the newer xen .. so looks like I need to back down another version or so 15:15 < irgeek> hachi: I had already pastebinned the output--silverblade just couldn't be bothered looking at it, it seems. 15:15 < caker> hachi: how do you feel about moving the Linode to Dallas -- it'll work (more) there? 15:15 < hachi> caker: ooop, forgotten detail, I had it boot earlier 15:16 < hachi> caker: first off I'm gonna blow away the disks and try again 15:16 * jkwood hands hachi a giant fan 15:16 < caker> hachi: pretty sure this is a 64-kernel + xen-version-on-the-host incompatibility 15:17 < silverblade> irgeek: sorry i didnt spot that 15:17 < silverblade> (wasnt fully paying attention to irc) 15:19 < mwalling> caker: logview 15:19 < mikegrb> mwalling: logread 15:19 -!- kassah-lappy [~kassah@24-116-150-254.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:19 < mwalling> oh 15:19 < mwalling> eh 15:19 < hachi> mikegrb: logread 15:19 < silverblade> logview lol cake 15:19 < mikegrb> lolz 15:19 < hachi> logcat 15:20 < hachi> it's log, it's log, it's bit it's heavy it's wood 15:20 < mwalling> no, its logview 15:20 < caker> what? 15:20 < silverblade> its log! the new childrens toy! 15:20 < caker> where am I? 15:20 < irgeek> It's better than bad, it's good! 15:20 < hachi> earth, 1998 15:20 < mwalling> mwalling 15:20 < mwalling> er no, my dallas67 15:21 < rolandx> any ip from dallas for make a ping test? 15:22 < caker> !download 15:22 < linbot> http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636 15:22 < caker> rolandx: ^-- 15:22 < rolandx> oh ok 15:22 < hachi> caker, it mostly came up this time 15:22 < hachi> xenbus_dev_shutdown: device/console/0: Initialising != Connected, skipping 15:22 < hachi> System halted. 15:22 < caker> you sure? 15:23 < hachi> not sure why it halted itself, I'm used to that sort of error making it just impossible to console in 15:23 < hachi> no panic, it halted cleanly after booting and getting an IP lease 15:23 < caker> looking at your console log, it did the same thing 15:23 < hachi> oh weird 15:23 < caker> I previously booted your Linode with the working kernel -- you seeing that one? 15:23 < hachi> I had a different log view not 2 minutes ago 15:23 < hachi> maybe 15:23 * caker makes a run to UPS to drop off hosts 15:24 < caker> bbiab 15:24 < mikegrb> liar, fedex 15:24 * silverblade watches caker depart, carrying a pallet-load of servers 15:25 < irgeek> caker strong! 15:25 < HoopyCat> "Welcome to the UPS Store, how can I... Jesus!" 15:25 < Battousai> hah 15:25 < jkwood> Are you suggesting that servers migrate? 15:25 < hachi> not at all 15:25 < hachi> they could be carried 15:27 < irgeek> I can't decide which is worse--that fact that this turned into vague Monty Python reference, or the fact that I recognized it instantly and had to stop myself from replying. 15:27 < jkwood> Sorry about that, chief. 15:27 < irgeek> Maybe I don't really need the Monty Python DVD for my birthday after all. 15:27 < irgeek> Wait, yeah, I do. 15:28 < rolandx> dallas or atlanta... be.. or not to be... lol 15:28 < mikegrb> lolz 15:29 < jkwood> dallas! 15:29 -!- rblecher [~4a5e36e9@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 15:29 < silverblade> datlantas! 15:29 < hachi> camelot! 15:29 < rolandx> hahahha 15:30 < rolandx> lmao 15:30 < jkwood> On second thought, let's not go to Camelot. 'Tis a silly place. 15:31 < Bdragon> hahahaha 15:31 < Bdragon> (it's only a model) 15:31 < rolandx> as i already on atlanta, i think i will try dallas this time :) 15:33 -!- Biznich [~cea9cdc5@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 15:33 -!- Biznich [~cea9cdc5@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33 -!- r3z [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:33 < rolandx> time ago the site of linode had some extra info about the datacenters, like which tipe of connection has each 15:34 -!- Biznich [~cea9cdc5@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 15:34 < jkwood> That was back when we spelled it "tipe." 15:34 < jkwood> When men were men, and so were some of the women. 15:34 -!- rblecher [~4a5e36e9@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37 < Bdragon> and small furry creatures from the.. 15:37 < hachi> you win this round, gravity 15:37 -!- hpj [~hpj@189.190.13.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:43 -!- jm [~fake@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #linode 15:43 < rolandx> if i create a linode on dallas, and let see.. get bored lol, i just need to delete all the profile and i will be able to choose a datacenter again and install a new linode? 15:43 < mikegrb> lolz 15:43 < cruxeternus> Yes. 15:44 < cruxeternus> You are not required to keep a Linode in one place forever. :P 15:44 < HoopyCat> really? i thought it required a Ticket 15:44 < cruxeternus> Oh, well, yeah. You'll have to be migrated. 15:45 < jadoba> HoopyCat: cruxeternus: if there's no profile or disks to migrate, I bet it is just an availability issue, and then a quick administrative edit 15:45 < rolandx> well without migrate all the installation 15:45 < rolandx> just delete the profile and stuff 15:45 < purrdeta> although I am curious as to how you get bored with a datacenter :P 15:45 < hachi> to be honest, that sounds abusable 15:45 < jadoba> rolandx: yeah, submit a ticket... 15:45 < hachi> buy a box... abuse the IP, pivot to a new DC 15:45 < rolandx> actually it was just some kind of say it 15:46 < hachi> that worries me a little 15:46 < cruxeternus> rolandx: Provisioning of Linodes requires manual intervention on the part of Linode staff. 15:46 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:46 < rolandx> oh didn't now that 15:46 < Bdragon> Only for new accounts... 15:46 < rolandx> actually i just want to give a try to dallas 15:46 < cruxeternus> Bdragon: And for migration... 15:46 < Bdragon> well, yeah 15:47 < rolandx> but if not works as i want i just turn to atlanta 15:47 < rolandx> but this is with an extra linode 15:47 < rolandx> that i have 15:47 -!- Biznich [~cea9cdc5@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47 * silverblade is considering getting a dn2 linode 15:47 < silverblade> er 15:47 < cruxeternus> rolandx: You can sign up and discontinue linodes at any point, paying only for time used. Within reason, of course. 15:47 < silverblade> 2nd 15:47 < Bdragon> as far as abusing an ip and moving to a new dc, it would be rather obvious when looking at account history ;) 15:47 < silverblade> how the hell did i type that backwards 15:48 < cruxeternus> silverblade: Late-onset Dyslexia 15:48 < Bdragon> Yeah, adding and removing linodes isn't something you should be constantly doing... If you need to do that sort of thing, that's what amazon ec2 is for. 15:48 < rolandx> will not be a constantly thing 15:49 < rolandx> let see i test it for a month at dallas and if is ok i leave the linode there 15:49 < Bdragon> well sure, that's definately a reasonable plan.. 15:50 < cruxeternus> You could test it for a day, probably, and move to Atlanta, if you wanted. 15:50 < rolandx> but if not i delete all and create a new linode at atlanta 15:50 < rolandx> and that's all 15:50 < silverblade> moving dc's is a pain anyway 15:50 -!- hpj [~hpj@189.190.13.210] has joined #linode 15:50 < cruxeternus> I think they'd just frown on frequent migrations. 15:50 < cruxeternus> rolandx: Or you can do that too. 15:51 < Bdragon> and of course at some times you CAN'T migrate because there aren't any open slots in the target dc... 15:51 < HoopyCat> beware the sluts! 15:51 < cruxeternus> Cancel and Create a new one... migration might be easier, since you can keep account name and billing info. 15:51 < HoopyCat> slots 15:51 < cruxeternus> rofl 15:51 < mikegrb> roflz 15:51 < HoopyCat> *cough* 15:51 * HoopyCat goes back to unicode 15:51 < Bdragon> I'd suggest migration, it's easier on the billing system.. 15:51 < cruxeternus> Yeah, you might get Hepatitis IP 15:51 < Bdragon> ha 15:52 < jadoba> cruxeternus: as long as it isn't more than 3 migrations, i bet they won't mind 15:52 < Bdragon> Is that Hepatitis IP type TCP or UDP? 15:52 < rolandx> cruxeternus: but i mean not cancel the account just delete the profile 15:52 < cruxeternus> jadoba: That's sort of the point I'm making. 15:52 < jadoba> Bdragon: type ICMP 15:52 < silverblade> gah! 15:52 < cruxeternus> rolandx: Deleting the profile is something that happens internal to your Linode. 15:52 < silverblade> my dad turned the pc off that i was doing a dist-upgrade on! lol 15:52 < mikegrb> lolz 15:52 < Bdragon> again? 15:52 < cruxeternus> It doesn't have anything to do with Linode provisioning, datacenter location, or machine. 15:53 < silverblade> no i just confirmed what happened 15:53 < silverblade> earlier 15:53 < jadoba> silverblade: was it just downloading? 15:53 < Bdragon> oh 15:53 < Bdragon> heh 15:53 < silverblade> jadoba: nope 15:53 < silverblade> mid-install 15:53 < jadoba> silverblade: yeah... you used LVM right? 15:53 < Bdragon> is he sorry? 15:53 < silverblade> lvm? 15:53 < jadoba> silverblade: or otherwise have separate partitions? 15:53 < silverblade> nopers. 15:53 < jadoba> fucked 15:53 < silverblade> disk is too small 15:53 < jadoba> how small? 15:54 < silverblade> 6gig 15:54 < jadoba> hows that too small? 15:54 < silverblade> xubuntu installed on it 15:54 < HoopyCat> eh, it shouldn't be that horked 15:54 * jadoba has a 4gb disk with LVM for his dad's machine 15:54 < HoopyCat> a right solid fscking should get everything up and going 15:54 < jadoba> its not even a disk, it is a IDE flash module 15:54 < Bdragon> heh 15:54 < silverblade> HoopyCat: i hope the automatic one is sufficient. 15:54 < silverblade> as i live quite a way away 15:54 < jadoba> HoopyCat: fsck won't do it 15:55 < Bdragon> fsck --gently --with-chainsaw 15:55 < jadoba> the problems are probably not filesystem-related 15:55 < HoopyCat> jadoba: oh right, the dependency manager will be buggered too :-) 15:55 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has joined #linode 15:56 * jkwood grins 15:56 < silverblade> i dont really care either way. its just a bit of an annoyance. 15:56 < jadoba> HoopyCat: as well as, it might probably won't boot back up if it has half a kernel... 15:56 < silverblade> gives me even less willing to touch my dad's machine. 15:56 < HoopyCat> jadoba: depends on what it was in the middle of installing 15:56 < silverblade> he's constantly going on about it not working properly 15:56 < jadoba> HoopyCat: precisely 15:57 * caker is back! 15:57 < caker> hachi: wanna move your Linode to Dallas to get 64bitz working? 15:57 < Bdragon> Hail caker! 15:57 < Bdragon> HAIL! 15:57 * caker is online 15:57 < HoopyCat> at any given moment, an OS upgrade is more likely to be installing something pointless and expendable than something important and critical 15:57 < HoopyCat> caker: wow, how much did you tip the UPS guy? 15:57 < hachi> caker: sure :\ 15:57 * jkwood throws a 20lb bag of rice at Bdragon 15:58 < hachi> you're right, but I'm just puzzled how I got it to boot earlier 15:58 * HoopyCat intercepts the rice and hoards it 15:58 < hachi> I apparently got one good boot out of it, and then it asploded 15:58 < Bdragon> And the power outage always happens in the middle of something important... It's like tornados and trailer parks. 15:58 < caker> hachi: need the disk images moved along with the linode? 15:58 < hachi> nah, blow it away 15:58 < Bdragon> Yay, dallas 15:58 < irgeek> jkwood: Hey! No wasting rice. Don't you know there's a world shortage of rice? 15:59 < jkwood> Bdragon: I didn't see that "It's" the first time and got confused about how tornados and trailer parks had anything to do with power outages. 15:59 < jkwood> irgeek: Since when? 16:00 < HoopyCat> i always enjoy mail from AFLAC, if just for the casual photographs of people hanging out with ducks 16:00 < irgeek> Since two of the three world's largest exporters banned exporting it. 16:00 < jadoba> HoopyCat: line stolen. thank you! 16:00 < hachi> that was quick 16:01 -!- lanstin [~lanstin@c-68-48-73-248.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #linode 16:01 < jkwood> HoopyCat: I should put that in my fortunes file. 16:01 < irgeek> jkwood: Costco started limiting people to one 20lb bag/day and soccer moms everywhere freaked out. 16:01 < caker> hachi: go for it (also note: new IP) 16:02 < HoopyCat> vis a vis rice shortage: http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=167005&title=criceis-in-the-u.s. (contains no rick astley) 16:02 < hachi> roger roger, waiting on host 16:02 < path-> soccer moms cook more than 20lbs/day? 16:02 < irgeek> Nope. 16:02 < HoopyCat> "... or three more bags than you've ever bought per visit." 16:03 < path-> i've never bought rice at costco, the bags are just too big 16:03 < irgeek> They're just stupid and believe the news when it tells the the rice limit at Costco is a sure sign of the impending apocalypse. 16:03 < jadoba> path-: soccer moms just freak out... for no reason. irgeek was just stating afact, albeit kind of randmoly. 16:03 < irgeek> It wasn't random. jkwood threw rice at Bdragon 16:04 < Bdragon> I wish we had food fights in here more often.. 16:04 < irgeek> They can be very enlightening. :) 16:04 * silverblade jams a potato in Bdragon's eye 16:04 * jkwood throws a cake at mikegrb 16:04 < HoopyCat> we eat a decent amount of rice here, perhaps more than the average american household, and we still only go through two or three bags a year 16:04 < guinea-pig> the internets is borken 16:05 * Bdragon builds a head-over-heels donut hooter and fires in random directions 16:05 < jkwood> Ur internetz is borken. My internetz iz worken. 16:05 * irgeek throws caker at mikegrb 16:05 < silverblade> hooters?! 16:05 < HoopyCat> donut hooter! 16:05 < Bdragon> yeah 16:05 < Bdragon> donut hooter 16:05 < path-> http://www2.nysun.com/article/74994 16:05 < jkwood> I LOLed at that. 16:06 < path-> "We only need one bag but I'm getting two in case a neighbor or a friend needs it," the elder man said. 16:06 < guinea-pig> i've gottan over 700 bouncebacks in the last 24 hours 16:06 < path-> that's the problem 16:06 < guinea-pig> up about 699/day from the previous day 16:06 < irgeek> Maybe donut hooters are like children's float wing things, but they don't go on your arms. 16:06 < HoopyCat> path-: gersh. 16:06 < guinea-pig> and they're not coming from me 16:06 < guinea-pig> snar 16:06 < guinea-pig> f 16:07 < hachi> caker: should I be using 2.6.16.38-x86_64-linode2, or 2.6.18.8-x86-64-linode1... they were both built on the same day at the exact same time 16:07 * Bdragon tries to dig up a poster... 16:07 * silverblade hands Bdragon a forum 16:07 < caker> hachi: 2.6.16.38-x86_64-linode2 works (I just tested it), as should 2.6.18.8-x86-64-linode1 16:07 < caker> hachi: if 2.6.18.8-x86-64-linode1 works, use it 16:07 < HoopyCat> and wow, rice is cheap at costco, no wonder they're running out 16:08 < Bdragon> there we go.. 16:08 < path-> most things are cheap there 16:08 < path-> i go there for kitty litter 16:08 < Bdragon> ftp://ftp.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/games-adverts/h/HeadOverHeels.jpg 16:08 < Bdragon> That thing that looks like a stein with a horn 16:08 < hachi> caker: warning from lish: cat: /linodes/hachi/.lastbooted: No such file or directory 16:08 < jkwood> God Bless Missouri. 16:09 < jkwood> Food rationing? Never. 16:09 < HoopyCat> i used to have a BJ's membership, but they only stock all-purpose bleached flour (!) and i could no longer justify the membership when it became un-free 16:09 < silverblade> hmm ok... its not letting me ssh into it, nor is it responding to pings after my dad rebooted it. Round of applause, everyone! 16:09 < HoopyCat> silverblade: never listen to me; i'm an optimist 16:10 < silverblade> did you say something? =D 16:10 < jadoba> silverblade: does he get X? a login prompt? 16:10 < silverblade> im not going to even bother. 16:10 < jadoba> silverblade: wise choice 16:10 -!- kassah-lappy [~kassah@24-116-150-254.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #linode 16:10 < silverblade> we're talking about someone who refers to anything on their screen as Microsoft 16:10 < silverblade> "I cant get Microsoft up!" 16:10 < path-> An anonymous high-tech professional writing on an investment Web site, Seeking Alpha, said he recently bought 10 50-pound bags of rice at Costco. "I am concerned that when the news of rice shortage spreads, there will be panic buying and the shelves will be empty in no time. I do not intend to cause a panic, and I am not speculating on rice to make profit. I am just hoarding some for my own consumption," he wrote. 16:10 < silverblade> "No dad, its Firefox... your web browser is FIREFOX" 16:10 < jadoba> silverblade: send him another disk already installed with stuff, and have him swap the one in there for the one you send him 16:10 < path-> 500 lbs of rice.. yumm 16:11 < silverblade> jadoba: he wont be able to handle that either. 16:11 < HoopyCat> we generally buy rice from the hole-in-the-wall oriental grocery down the street and they've usually got two or three pallets in stock 16:11 < path-> i have never bought more than one of those small boxes of minute rice 16:11 < HoopyCat> path-: he better get a drum or two of soy sauce 16:11 < path-> and it takes me forever to finish that 16:11 < path-> i stick to potatoes 16:11 < rolandx> mm interesting my new linode still running with UML, i thought that will be with xen 16:11 < jadoba> silverblade: just refer to everything as microsoft... "ok dad, open up the microsoft by taking the microsoft driver and unscrewing the microsoft in the back... then locate the microsoft cable, and putll it out..." 16:12 < jkwood> Potatoes ftw! 16:12 < jadoba> silverblade: he will manage... 16:12 < Bdragon> rolandx: There must have been an open slot somewhere... 16:12 < silverblade> lol 16:12 < mikegrb> lolz 16:12 < HoopyCat> the 20-pound bag of potatoes i bought for $2 last week, by the way, is fine. i ate a couple today and they were... uhh... potatoey. 16:12 < silverblade> "oh oh... i thought it was acting funny because it was making a lot of noise" 16:12 < Bdragon> rolandx: It is indeed still possible to land on a uml... It's just that new hosts aren't being deployed anymore iirc 16:12 -!- r3z [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #linode 16:12 < jadoba> silverblade: youre kidding 16:13 < jkwood> jadoba: You're infringing on my microsoft. Please discontinue microsofting, or we shall have to microsoft you. 16:13 < Bdragon> "No, that's it WORKING." 16:13 < silverblade> nope. 16:13 < silverblade> thats why he turned it off. 16:13 < silverblade> that, and the screen was flickering (power saving doesnt work on it) 16:13 < silverblade> "i didnt fiddle, i just pulled the plug" 16:13 < path-> i usually get the small bags 16:13 < silverblade> FIDDLE... FIDDLE! 16:13 < jadoba> silverblade: maybe he needs a kiosk? 16:13 < silverblade> he needs a brain. 16:13 < Bdragon> Ahh, that's definately in FROB territory. 16:13 < jadoba> is all he does just web browsing? 16:13 < silverblade> but this is my mother's machine! 16:14 < jkwood> jadoba: That's web microsofting. 16:14 < silverblade> i was updating xubuntu on her pc 16:14 < Bdragon> "I can't get to my porn!" 16:14 < HoopyCat> path-: i *heart* carbohydrates 16:14 < silverblade> my dad has to use XP because he visits these spyware infested poker sites 16:14 < silverblade> and then complains when he has a ton of trojans 16:14 < jadoba> Bdragon: yeah, thats what my dad says too... 16:14 < path-> pokeher? 16:14 < HoopyCat> silverblade: "DAD! STOP, DON'T TELL ME THAT... oh, on the computer, n/m" 16:14 < silverblade> hmm? lol 16:14 < mikegrb> lolz 16:15 < silverblade> actually i have vnc on there 16:15 < silverblade> some of the things ive seen... 16:15 < Bdragon> 15:14] hmm? lol 16:15 < Bdragon> [ 16:15 < mikegrb> lolz 16:15 * silverblade rubs soap in his eyes 16:15 < Bdragon> you're laughing and you don't know why? 16:15 < jkwood> How did you manage that, Bdragon? 16:15 < silverblade> yes thats normal for me. 16:15 * jadoba detatches 16:15 < Bdragon> jkwood: craptastic copy paste 16:15 < caker> cakersSekritPassw0rd 16:15 < caker> aww carp. 16:15 < jkwood> Trojans... Trojans... 16:15 < caker> and crap, too 16:16 * jkwood carps on caker 16:16 < Bdragon> carp diem 16:16 < path-> Mmmmm carp 16:16 * HoopyCat pwns * 16:16 < Bdragon> computer1.crash(); 16:16 -!- zeroday| [~zeroday@86.112.175.129] has joined #linode 16:16 < silverblade> ahahahaha! ok so he decides to phone my sister for help?! 16:16 < zeroday|> are there problems at dallas? 16:16 -!- Infinito [~argos@200-140-155-228.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #linode 16:17 < jkwood> define "Problems." 16:17 < zeroday|> I cant access ssh 16:17 < mwalling> zeroday|: can you access lish? 16:17 < zeroday|> and lish seems to be real slow 16:17 < Bdragon> even lish? 16:17 < cruxeternus> That's a problem. 16:17 < Bdragon> what's your load avg? 16:17 < silverblade> i think im on dallas 16:17 < hachi> caker: when you upgrade xen to be a different version... whenever that sort of thing happens. How do you distribute the new /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ for that kernel to our machines? 16:17 < cruxeternus> I'm speedy to dallas56. 16:17 < mwalling> zeroday|: you know what were going to say: t r a c e r o u t e 16:17 < zeroday|> its still hung on my login screen 16:17 < webPragmatis1> hey i have an apache/file permissions problem... why is it if I assign the existing files I have to rwxr--r-- apache doesn't show them but if I create a new file (rw-r--r--) it shows up just fine? 16:17 < hachi> rather, from my point of view, how do I get them 16:17 < webPragmatis1> is there some other file permission i don't know about? 16:17 < mikegrb> mwalling: itym we're 16:17 < Bdragon> that is sounding a lot like a local problem ;) 16:17 < webPragmatis1> both are owned by the same user 16:18 < caker> hachi: I don't distribute any modules, so anything you add will be up to you to keep up to date 16:18 < Bdragon> Could be just you, or the host... 16:18 < hachi> caker: yeah, but the .ko files are specific to the kernel build 16:18 < caker> zeroday|: port 22: Connection refused <-- to your IP 16:18 < jkwood> mwalling: Sorry, I'm not familiar with that acronym. 16:18 < hachi> I have to get them from you somehow 16:18 < caker> hachi: yup. 16:18 < zeroday|> I dont use port 22 16:18 -!- zeroday [~zeroday@i.loled.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:18 < zeroday|> heh 16:18 < hachi> that's sorta what I'm asking 16:18 < cruxeternus> hachi: No, you have to get the kernel sources from him :) 16:18 < Bdragon> good on yer 16:18 < zeroday|> tracert completes fine 16:18 < mikegrb> hachi: it's all built in 16:19 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:19 < Bdragon> zeroday|: Other services working ok? 16:19 < zeroday|> nope 16:19 < caker> hachi: If you build modules, you'll need to rebuild them each time a kernel is booted into 16:19 < mikegrb> hachi: so no modules are necessary 16:19 < zeroday|> lish is stuck at the login screen 16:19 < path-> hachi: http://www.linode.com/src/ 16:19 < Bdragon> I'm guessing you're in the middle of crashing or something 16:19 < hachi> ahh, see 16:19 < path-> oh wait 16:19 < jkwood> !cyborg traceroute 16:19 < linbot> jkwood: T.R.A.C.E.R.O.U.T.E.: Transforming Robotic Android Calibrated for Efficient Repair, Online Utility and Thorough Exploration 16:19 < Bdragon> if you detatch how does the outer lish respond? 16:19 < path-> those versions aren't 64bit :) 16:19 < hachi> that's what I was puzzled over, I thought you had built a module...y kernel for this 16:19 < zeroday|> rebooting it 16:20 < Bdragon> from the lish command thing does it seem more responsive typing? 16:20 < caker> yeah -- I'll push out the 64bit trees soonish . just want to make sure they actually work for a bit 16:20 < cruxeternus> hachi: It's a big monolithic one. 16:20 < cruxeternus> But module-capable. 16:20 < irgeek> zeroday|: What does 'cat /proc/io_status' give you? 16:20 < silverblade> so, is there a way to guarantee i'd get on a Xen node if i get a new one? 16:20 < zeroday|> Im rebooting it 16:20 < caker> iocheck zeroday 16:20 < caker> OK io_count=4680841 io_rate=0 io_tokens=2000000 token_refill=512 token_max=2000000 16:20 < zeroday|> couldnt access it at all, hung at lish login 16:20 < caker> OK 16:20 < caker> Filename Type Size Used Priority 16:20 < caker> /dev/ubdb partition 524280 141400 -1 16:21 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@host-84-9-49-97.dslgb.com] has joined #linode 16:21 < zeroday|> im out of tokens? :o 16:21 < caker> nope 16:21 < silverblade> insert token to continue play. 16:21 < zeroday|> phew 16:21 < webPragmatis1> does anyone have an idea about my problem with permissions/ 16:21 -!- webPragmatis1 is now known as webPragmatist 16:21 < HoopyCat> silverblade: not generally; if there's availability you can request a migration. see http://www.linode.com/avail.cfm?XenOnly=1 16:21 < zeroday|> shutdown in progress, taking forever 16:22 < Bdragon> Estimated completion: forever seconds. 16:22 < mwalling> OOM killer? 16:22 < zeroday|> lish still hung on login screen 16:22 < rolandx> ahhh interesting.. i didn't know about that URL 16:22 < zeroday|> woo, im in 16:22 < HoopyCat> webPragmatist: what happens if you chmod -x ? 16:22 < zeroday|> caker, any ideas what happened? 16:23 < silverblade> HoopyCat: ok thanks - any ideas as to if it can cause problems?# 16:23 < silverblade> i mean migrating 16:23 < caker> zeroday|: no 16:23 -!- zeroday [~zeroday@i.loled.net] has joined #linode 16:23 < zeroday|> :< 16:23 < zeroday|> brb 16:23 -!- zeroday| [~zeroday@86.112.175.129] has quit [Quit: Quit] 16:23 < HoopyCat> silverblade: my migration went quite smoothly... click the button, smoke a fag, and bing. 16:23 < Bdragon> Nice hostmask 16:24 < hachi> bad dog... lassie just rebooted my box after I halted it XD 16:24 < webPragmatist> HoopyCat: I did it on a directory and it didn't help 16:24 < mwalling> hachi: s/bad/good/ 16:24 < HoopyCat> webPragmatist: err, directory should be +x, but the files should be -x 16:24 < Bdragon> heh 16:24 < HoopyCat> webPragmatist: barring that, check your error_log 16:24 < hachi> I was trying to change the config :) 16:24 < Bdragon> Down boy! 16:24 < webPragmatist> oh yea ok 16:24 < mwalling> hachi: you need to shut down with lpm to keep lassie down 16:25 * Bdragon sings Oh, you can't keep a good dog down 16:25 * jkwood starts shooting Bdragon with his own donut hooter 16:25 < webPragmatist> HoopyCat: can you explain why that is different than say chmod oug=r 16:25 < caker> or lish 16:26 < mwalling> caker: lish is part of lpm isnt it? 16:26 < caker> mwalling: NO 16:26 < Bdragon> heh 16:26 < mwalling> or is lpm just refering to the dashboard 16:26 < HoopyCat> webPragmatist: huh, = works now? sweet. when'd they put THAT in... :-) 16:26 < hachi> lpm is the web bit? 16:26 < caker> yup 16:26 < mwalling> bah, its a package deal! 16:26 < webPragmatist> yes? 16:26 < hachi> I was sitting here going 'apt-cache search lpm' 16:26 -!- LaVista [Chadk@0x5731f515.odnxx11.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 16:26 < hachi> wondering why I couldn't find it :) 16:26 < webPragmatist> from what i understood = just "sets" it 16:26 < Bdragon> hahaha 16:26 * jkwood blinks 16:27 < HoopyCat> webPragmatist: yeah... i normally just use octal... 755 for normal publically-readable directories, 644 for normal publically-readable files 16:27 < Bdragon> Just think "dashboard" 16:27 < webPragmatist> i can't seem to remember that yet 16:27 < jkwood> Thank you, Lord, for making me a Slackware user, that I might turn to google when I do not understand. 16:27 < HoopyCat> kids these days and their letters 16:28 < mwalling> jkwood: You shall be blessed with the lack of crazy ass dependancies. 16:28 * caker chmod 666 #linode 16:28 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has joined #linode 16:28 < webPragmatist> HoopyCat: oh ok so the fact that it was executable was effing up apache? 16:28 * scott chmod a + xxx #linode 16:28 < hachi> caker: be sure to abuse my account in the future, please 16:29 < HoopyCat> webPragmatist: apache may have been trying to execute it as a CGI, which... well, doesn't work too well :-) 16:29 < Bdragon> Anyone play with the new nintendo channel yet? 16:29 -!- ejulson [~cec3c1fe@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29 < webPragmatist> HoopyCat: well no it just hides it 16:29 < jkwood> Why, are they fun to troll? 16:30 < zeroday> where should I check for error messages about what happened? 16:30 < jkwood> In the error logs. 16:30 < Bdragon> well, /var/log is a favorite 16:30 < irgeek> webPragmatist: I think it's possible to get Apache to just ignore CGIs in place where CGIs aren't allowed to run. 16:30 < jkwood> You might also look in the system logs. 16:30 < HoopyCat> ok, i've just been informed that i fscked up and misread the calendar and am doing supper tonight. gotta run; bbiab 16:31 < webPragmatist> irgeek: yea i don't care about it i was just confused about the permissions 16:31 -!- rsl [~rsl@c-24-98-104-133.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:31 < webPragmatist> HoopyCat: is there a trick to make all dirs +x and files -x in one command? 16:31 < webPragmatist> recursively 16:32 < hachi> find -type d -exec chmod +x '{}' \; 16:32 < hachi> find -not -type d -exec chmod -x '{}' \; 16:32 < hachi> :) 16:32 < iggy> or -type f 16:32 < zeroday> cant find anything in message or dmsg 16:32 < hachi> -type f won't catch sockets and things 16:33 < iggy> well, yeah... but... a socket in your webroot... 16:33 < iggy> I guess anything is possible 16:33 < Bdragon> woah 16:33 < hachi> I put sockets wherever I want ;) 16:33 < mwalling> note to self: dont try and return 3000 records in PMA running inside ie 16:33 < Bdragon> What an interesting idea... Does apache have a clue how to handle that? 16:33 < jkwood> iggy: A socket in your webroot would make it more flexible. 16:33 < webPragmatist> hachi: that is in the current dir or everywhere? 16:33 < zeroday> heh, found this: 16:33 < zeroday> "May 7 21:22:49 li13-152 sshd[3364]: Server listening on :: port . May 7 21:22:49 li13-152 sshd[3364]: error: Bind to port on 0.0.0.0 failed: Address already in use. 16:34 < hachi> webPragmatist: yeah 16:34 < zeroday> " 16:34 < mwalling> zeroday: nope, keep looking 16:34 < zeroday> you sure 16:34 < Bdragon> zeroday: Do you have multiple sshd's? 16:34 < jkwood> mwalling: Good call. 16:34 < mwalling> yep 16:34 < zeroday> nope 16:34 < zeroday> no on apart from me logs in 16:34 < zeroday> one * 16:34 -!- rsl [~rsl@c-24-98-104-133.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linode 16:34 < jkwood> So you assume. 16:34 < Bdragon> I mean, did you accidentally leave multiple methods of running it, like daemon + inetd? 16:35 < zeroday> the last log before that is around 8pm 16:35 * jkwood disconnects from zeroday's linode. 16:35 < caker> sshd complains about that if you have 0.0.0.0 and an IP, or something 16:35 < zeroday> Ive not installed anything for ages 16:35 < webPragmatist> hachi: it's not recursive though ? 16:35 < caker> or a Listen :: and Listen 0.0.0.0 16:36 < zeroday> when it froze, I was re compling eaccelerator 16:36 < zeroday> for php 5.2.6 16:36 < jkwood> AHA! 16:36 < zeroday> dont start :p 16:36 < Bdragon> Oh, has anyone tested eaccelerator against 5.2.6? 16:36 < zeroday> Im using it now 16:36 < jkwood> I wasn't gonna, I'm just being a smart aleck. 16:36 < zeroday> all seems fine atm 16:37 < zeroday> although, it was in compile stage, nothing that would make the whole machine throw a wobbly 16:37 < Bdragon> That reminds me, I need to see if 2008q1 has 5.2.6 pulled up yet.. 16:37 < jkwood> Theoretically speaking, anyway. 16:38 < Bdragon> damn... 16:38 < zeroday> 2008q1? 16:38 < Bdragon> pkgsrc 16:39 < Bdragon> I run a quarterly so it lags behind current a tad 16:43 < zeroday> alright, off to revise for exam 16:44 -!- CDMoyer [~cmoyer@darkwing.inarow.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:45 < hachi> webPragmatist: sure it is 16:45 < hachi> find descends by default 16:45 < hachi> doesn't follow symlinks by default though 16:45 < webPragmatist> hachi: yea 16:46 < webPragmatist> drwxr-xr-x 16 developer developer 12288 2008-05-07 14:23 html 16:46 < webPragmatist> still doesn't show up 16:46 < webPragmatist> re 16:46 < webPragmatist> er* 16:46 < webPragmatist> duh 16:46 < webPragmatist> nm 16:47 < cruxeternus> developers developers developers 16:47 < caker> developers 16:47 < caker> developers 16:47 < caker> developers 16:47 < caker> developers 16:47 < Bdragon> NO! IMAGE OF SWEATY BALMER! MAKE IT STOP 16:47 < webPragmatist> eat me eat me eat me 16:48 -!- simlun [~simon@84-217-156-233.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:48 < webPragmatist> plurality is for sissys! 16:49 -!- cmantito [~gphreak@pool-71-188-82-138.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:50 -!- cmantito [~gphreak@pool-71-188-82-138.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net] has joined #linode 16:51 < Bdragon> hahaha 16:51 * Bdragon tries out the nintendo channel and watches the wii stop every 20 seconds to rebuffer 16:51 < webPragmatist> ok yea wtf this still isn't working for these two directories 16:52 < Bdragon> I don't think they tried this over satellite :D 16:52 < path-> over satellite? 16:52 * path- goes to play the handlebars song 16:52 < cruxeternus> webPragmatist: Apologies, but what exactly is the nature of your problem again? 16:53 < hachi> please state the nature of the medical emergency 16:53 < webPragmatist> drwxr-xr-x !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 16:53 < webPragmatist> doesn't show up in apache heh 16:53 * silverblade just managed to talk his mum through doing ifconfig, route add and /etc/init.d/ssh start ... 16:53 < Bdragon> Sir, have you made sure DirectoryIndexes are on? 16:53 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:53 < Bdragon> wow 16:53 < cruxeternus> That's a very vague and non-descriptive problem definition. :/ 16:54 < Bdragon> Did you level up in phone support? 16:54 < webPragmatist> Bdragon: yes... the problem is it's not LISTING the directory even 16:54 < webPragmatist> cruxeternus: I try lol 16:54 < mikegrb> lolz 16:55 < webPragmatist> but it lists directories in the previous subdirs just fine 16:55 < webPragmatist> with the same permissions 16:55 < Bdragon> Is there a .htaccess hiding in there? 16:55 < webPragmatist> that's a negative 16:55 < Bdragon> ls -al html 16:56 < Bdragon> you super sure? you used a -a? 16:56 < webPragmatist> i always use al 16:56 < webPragmatist> so yes 16:56 < webPragmatist> but IN the html dir? 16:56 < webPragmatist> right now I am outside of it and it doesn't list 16:56 < Bdragon> There isn't a clause for the subdir in your httpd.conf that might be overriding things? 16:56 < Bdragon> yeah, in the html dir.. 16:57 < webPragmatist> hrm 16:57 < webPragmatist> no because this is like a default apache install 16:57 < Bdragon> but yeah, if there's a .htaccess inside the folder... 16:57 < webPragmatist> yea 16:57 < Bdragon> it certainly could have directives that affect things 16:57 < Bdragon> like Options -Indexes 16:58 < Bdragon> or a deny directive or whatever... 16:58 < webPragmatist> ok 16:58 < webPragmatist> yea that was it 16:58 < webPragmatist> thanks :) 16:59 < webPragmatist> didn't think .htaccess could affect the directory prior to it 16:59 -!- TofuMatt [~TofuMatt@hlfxns0161w-142068042047.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has joined #linode 17:01 -!- webPragmatis1 [~cleblanc@adsl-76-203-230-36.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #linode 17:01 -!- webPragmatist [~cleblanc@adsl-76-203-230-36.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04 -!- stuart [~chatzilla@bb-87-80-127-181.ukonline.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.82 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]] 17:04 -!- andrew_j_w [~andrew@88-97-29-168.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:05 -!- rolandx [~c81f732d@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:11 -!- xitology [~xi@78.31.182.24] has joined #linode 17:14 < silverblade> Its working! \o/ 17:21 < xitology> hi! i wonder if the ubuntu 8.04 image is broken? after i ran `apt-get update; apt-get upgrade` on a fresh install of ubuntu 8.04 generated with distro wizard, i got the following: http://p.linode.com/751 17:22 < xitology> looks like the '/usr/share/info' directory is missing and there's no 'locale' executable 17:22 < hachi> that's cute, lpm is warning at me saying I didn't include all of my disk images... maybe I'm booting the wrong profile :) 17:23 < mwalling> hmmm... can you hot plug modules into a cisco 5505? 17:25 < SpaceHobo> I'd hope so 17:25 < SpaceHobo> at least to add modules 17:25 < SpaceHobo> you may need to do a soft reboot after insertion 17:25 < SpaceHobo> but I don't know the 5000s 17:25 < SpaceHobo> only the 76xxes 17:26 < mwalling> hmm... IT is supposedly installing a 100mbit module in the last slot on our 5505... they scheduled it for 10am... 17:34 < hachi> a catalyst or an ASA? 17:34 < mwalling> Cat 17:34 < mwalling> i think 17:34 < hachi> big sucker 17:35 * mwalling isnt IT, i'm just the most technically competant person on the floor 17:35 < mwalling> there by earning me the crown of IT bitch^Wleason 17:35 < mwalling> {sp} 17:35 < hachi> liason? 17:35 < mwalling> yeah 17:42 < caker> http://www.theshore.net/~caker/pics/Linode/set1/DSCN0001.JPG <-- :) 17:43 < mwalling> caker: yeah, thats why i asked in here 17:43 < mwalling> :P 17:43 < Battousai> i'll take two! 17:43 < hachi> blah, the closest I can get is a cat 2950 at home 17:44 < hachi> how did that thing not blow a breaker in your home? :) 17:44 < Battousai> he ran an extension cord from mikegrb's place 17:44 < Battousai> and blew his breaker 17:45 < hachi> how fair 17:45 < bob2> xitology: did you install the 8.04 image or upgrade from 7.10? 17:45 < xitology> bob2: installed 17:47 < hachi> is rdns cycled at some time? or just whenever theplanet decides? 17:47 < xitology> it's a fresh install of 8.04 from the distro wizard 17:48 < caker> xitology: apt-get install locales <-- or something? 17:48 * caker thinks mikegrb should fix that 17:49 < TofuMatt> ^_^ 17:50 < hachi> the warnings are seperate to the error 17:50 < hachi> installing locales now won't help because dpkg is stuck trying to configure existing things 17:50 < xitology> caker: trying... i wonder if someone removed locales and info files in order to reduce the image size... but not to the point of breaking the package manager? 17:50 < hachi> xitology: I'd unset LANG till you finish this dpkg run 17:51 < hachi> that should silence the warnings, then you can solve the real problem 17:51 < hachi> install locales, and set LANG again 17:51 < hachi> looks like /usr/share/info might not exist, that might be the root cause? 17:52 < xitology> yeah, `mkdir /usr/share/info` fixed the issue 17:52 < bob2> sudo dpkg-deb -x /var/cache/apt/archives/util-linux_2.13.1-5ubuntu2_i386.deb / 17:52 < Peng> I'm *still* getting ssh attempts every 2 minutes. 17:52 < hachi> dpkg --conigure -a 17:52 < caker> Peng: and why are you surprised by this? 17:52 -!- sveiss [~sveiss@host81-158-218-65.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #linode 17:53 < xitology> still, i want my *.info files back. any way to reinstall them? 17:53 < bob2> Peng: welcome to the internet! 17:53 < Peng> caker: Up until 12 hours ago, I got one maybe every 10-20 minutes. 17:53 < hachi> xitology: you could do something like 'dpkg -S /usr/share/info/*' and see if that lists all the package 17:53 < hachi> then apt-get --reinstall install [packages] 17:53 < hachi> perhaps 17:53 < Peng> bob2: I know. I hate the Internet now. 17:54 < TofuMatt> lol 17:54 < mikegrb> lolz 17:54 < bob2> sudo apt-get --reinstall install $(dpkg -S "*.info.gz"|awk '{print $1}' | sort -u | tr -d :) 17:54 < hachi> xitology: you might need to do /usr/share/info/\* 17:54 < bob2> or so 17:54 < hachi> heh 17:54 < hachi> yeah 17:55 < hachi> oh, except that won't get them all 17:55 < hachi> the filenames are sometimes info-5.gz 17:55 < hachi> do dpkg -S "/usr/shar/info/*" instead inside the subshell 17:55 < hachi> /usr/share/info 17:55 < hachi> whatever 17:56 < xitology> thanks 17:56 < bob2> ah, good point 17:58 -!- TJF [~TJF_GN@pat.foulston.com] has quit [Quit: I quit!] 18:04 -!- me [~me@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com] has left #linode [] 18:06 -!- mendel [~rich@TOROON12-1279379717.sdsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: mendel] 18:08 < HoopyCat> my superpower: being able to use every single utensil in the kitchen to make a quick weeknight meal 18:08 < mwalling> hrh 18:09 < mwalling> who does the dishes? 18:09 < TofuMatt> haha 18:09 < HoopyCat> mwalling: whoever isn't cooking. ;-) 18:09 * TofuMatt uses the utensils to eat, not to make :O 18:09 < HoopyCat> fortunately, 'tis automated... unload clean dishes, load dirty dishes, squirt, squirt, push button 18:09 < mwalling> heh 18:09 < mwalling> our dishwasher sucks 18:11 < xitology> ok, installing `locales` is not enough to fix the warnings. one need to create a file '/var/lib/locales/supported.d/local' containing a line "en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8" and run `dpkg-reconfigure locales` 18:11 < HoopyCat> ours is pretty good. loud, noisy, and installed poorly (guess who the plumber in the house is...), but you can put a side of beef on the bottom rack and a load of wine glasses on the top rack and everything comes out clean 18:11 * xitology still thinks that ubuntu 8.04 image is broken ;) 18:12 < mwalling> HoopyCat: lucky 18:13 < mwalling> 18:13 < mwalling> Maximum disk usage exceeded 18:13 < mwalling> 18:13 < mwalling> RAH! 18:15 < Clorith> when I do ps aux | grep ssh, I get up a LOT of sshd's 18:15 < Clorith> although there's only me connected t othe ssh 18:15 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:15 < Clorith> which ones are safe to kill? without killing the actual ssh daemon 18:16 < mwalling> /etc/init.d/ssh stop? 18:16 < mwalling> oh 18:16 < mwalling> disregard 18:16 < Clorith> yea 18:16 < mwalling> bad idea :) 18:16 < Clorith> I was planning on that :P 18:16 < Battousai> well you could lish in and killall 18:16 < mwalling> at least on slackware, i dont know about otehrs, a restart wont kill connections 18:17 < Battousai> most distros behave that way 18:17 < Clorith> well, if it starts up again I don't mind being kicked off once 18:17 < Clorith> it's jstu that these ssh instances are taking up a bit of system resoruces 18:17 < Battousai> that said, i'm not sure if it would get rid of all the extras 18:19 < HoopyCat> off to class, bbl 18:21 < Clorith> this is really odd, now it spawned more... 18:22 < Clorith> http://paste.linode.com/752 <--- isn't thre something odd about that ? 18:29 < caker> Clorith: you DID make a backup thus far, right? 18:30 < Clorith> yea 18:30 < Clorith> haha 18:30 * caker randomly deletes another user's filesystem then 18:30 < Clorith> well, I duplicated my image 18:30 < hachi> hey caker, when does rdns cycle? 18:30 < Clorith> that should work as a backup, right ? 18:30 < caker> Let's play: Do You Have Backups? 18:31 < path-> rdiff-backup 18:31 < caker> hachi: every 12 hours I rebuild the zones, and then the DCs need to pick them up 18:31 < TofuMatt> haha 18:31 < hachi> keke, thanks 18:31 < path-> it's grrrreeeaaat 18:31 < caker> Clorith: what it the host catches on fire? 18:31 < caker> *if 18:32 < Clorith> then I'm screwed :P 18:32 * caker randomly deletes Clorith's filesystems 18:32 < caker> Clorith: I could strike at any time <-- remember that 18:32 < path-> TP mistakes 5-15P for gasoline fill? 18:33 < Clorith> haha 18:34 < Clorith> stop making fun of my lack of backups :( 18:34 < Clorith> I just wanted to know what the reason for these spawned ssh's could be 18:34 < bob2> look at auth.log 18:35 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 18:38 < Clorith> ooh 18:38 < Clorith> good idea 18:43 < silverblade> Whats the quickest time anyones set a linode up in (for web serving/mail) ? (just out of interest!) 18:44 < Clorith> depends on the repository's I hit 18:44 < Clorith> login, apt-get install apache2 && apt-get install sendmail 18:44 < Clorith> xD 18:44 < iggy> 45 seconds for me 18:45 -!- jdlspeedy [~41534462@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46 < Clorith> seems someone's might be trying to bruteforce the ssh xD 18:47 < bob2> which will happen many times an hour for the rest of your linodes life 18:47 < fred> look into fail2ban 18:47 < bob2> install denyhosts or fail2ban and use strong passwords or ssh keys only 18:47 < Clorith> yeah, I'm gonan firewall the ssh 18:47 * fred hugs sendmail 18:47 < Clorith> I guess I'll report the incident as well 18:48 < fred> though it's not exactly at the top of the list of things that I'd recommend to other people 18:48 < fred> reporting ssh cracking attempts == pointless IMO 18:48 < bob2> haha 18:48 < bob2> no one is going to care 18:48 < silverblade> Clorith: you new here? 18:48 < bob2> unless it is from their mail server or something 18:48 * fred looks at his home cable router logs... 18:48 < Clorith> silverblade, not really, I'm jsut a noob 18:48 < fred> So around 7000 different IPs have had a go at SSH today... 18:49 < silverblade> fair enough ;) 18:49 < silverblade> i always generate keys now for my ssh 18:58 < Clorith> so 18:58 < Clorith> who wants to recomend a firewall? :P 18:58 < path-> shorewall 18:58 < path-> iptables is really the firewall on any linux host 18:58 < path-> so shorewall would be a firewall management program 18:58 < bob2> before you do that, check what is actually running 18:59 < path-> i suppose.. 18:59 < bob2> and remove unncessary things 18:59 < bob2> then realise that adding a firewall is often pointless 18:59 < Clorith> I'm running a BNC and a website 18:59 < Clorith> I just want to firewall ssh really 19:00 < bob2> firewall it how 19:00 < Clorith> as in block any connects to it not from my home IP 19:03 < Peng> FWIW, Ubuntu Hardy has a really trivial firewall management thingy, ufw. 19:03 < Peng> Not very powerful, but powerful enough to do that. 19:03 < Clorith> ooh 19:04 < Clorith> haha, it's a "the children are our future" site that the attempts are all originating from 19:12 < Clorith> Can't exec "locale": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm line 16. 19:12 < Clorith> Use of uninitialized value in scalar chomp at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm line 17. 19:12 < Clorith> that would hint at perl being gay, yes ? 19:13 < mwalling> Clorith: is that a freshly deployed 8.04 image? 19:13 < Clorith> yes 19:14 < mwalling> 17:21 < xitology> hi! i wonder if the ubuntu 8.04 image is broken? after i ran `apt-get update; apt-get upgrade` on a fresh install of ubuntu 8.04 generated with distro wizard, i got the following: http://p.linode.com/751 19:14 < mwalling> thats EDT, i think you were here and can scroll up and find the rest 19:15 < path-> need to apt-get install locales 19:15 -!- lakin [~lakin@S01060013101832cd.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15 < xitology> Clorith: install 'locales' with `apt-get install locales`. then `echo "en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8" >/var/lib/locales/supported.d/local` and `dpkg-reconfigure locales` 19:15 -!- nyterage [~kirkvq@bas2-barrie18-1177727056.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #linode 19:15 < path-> when you apt-get install locales, it should configure it 19:16 < Clorith> ok ^-^ 19:16 < xitology> path-: but there are no files in /var/lib/locales/supported.d, so it can't generate the en_US.UTF-8 locale 19:17 < path-> i saw it happen on a non-linode 19:18 < path-> i guess it depends on how they created the image 19:19 < xitology> Clorith: you may also need to do `apt-get --reinstall install base-files` to restore the missing directory /usr/share/info. otherwise some installations or updates of some files will be broken 19:19 < Clorith> so the apt-get reinsall base-files AFTER the dpkg-reconfigure? (I had to do the reconfigure btw) 19:19 < xitology> s/some files/some packages/ 19:20 < xitology> Clorith: i believe it doesn't matter 19:20 < Clorith> ok 19:20 < Clorith> works now, thanks =) 19:25 < CaptObviousman> so I'm curious, who built the web interfaces? 19:26 < mwalling> CaptObviousman: God 19:26 < mwalling> with help from linbot 19:26 -!- lanstin [~lanstin@c-68-48-73-248.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has left #linode [] 19:26 < tjfontaine> Z-GOD 19:26 < tjfontaine> zomg 19:26 * CaptObviousman is mildly serious 19:27 < tjfontaine> those who work for linode build the web interfaces 19:27 -!- nyterage [~kirkvq@bas2-barrie18-1177727056.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [] 19:27 < CaptObviousman> someone lurking in here perhaps? 19:28 < tjfontaine> those with +o minus linbot 19:28 * CaptObviousman offers props 19:28 -!- jameslee [~5ce96810@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 19:28 < jameslee> hi 19:29 < tjfontaine> hi 19:30 < caker> CaptObviousman: :) 19:31 < CaptObviousman> it's well designed, I'm thoroughly impressed 19:32 < CaptObviousman> cfm is coldfusion? 19:32 < caker> yeah 19:32 < mwalling> *coughlosercough* 19:32 * scorche|sh still doesnt know why the site is in cfm =P 19:32 < tjfontaine> mwalling: that hurts my feelings 19:32 < tjfontaine> scorche|sh: the devil you know 19:32 < CaptObviousman> what would you choose then? 19:32 < jameslee> hi 19:32 < jameslee> all 19:32 < jameslee> i need help with my irc 19:33 < jameslee> can somebody help 19:33 < caker> there's nothing wrong with cf 19:33 < scorche|sh> CaptObviousman: django! 19:33 < mwalling> jameslee: atlanta blocks 6667. 19:33 < scorche|sh> <3 python 19:33 < CaptObviousman> that's python right? 19:33 < jameslee> ? 19:33 < jameslee> i having trouble with DSN 19:33 < jameslee> DNS 19:33 < jameslee> i cannot a subdomain to resolve to my vps 19:33 < jameslee> get * 19:34 < mwalling> dns != irc 19:34 < CaptObviousman> who's your registrar? 19:34 < jameslee> godaddy 19:34 < jameslee> i have the tld of it 19:34 < jameslee> pointed to another server 19:34 < caker> who hosts the dns for the zone? 19:34 < CaptObviousman> yeah I just did this 19:34 < mwalling> whos the ns? 19:34 < CaptObviousman> hang on I'll grab the help page 19:34 < jameslee> i point the actual domain 19:34 < jameslee> to a ThePlanet server of mine 19:35 * scorche|sh wonders how much caker paid to be able to do the site in coldfusion =/ 19:35 < jameslee> but i need a subdomain off that pointing to my linode 19:35 * scorche|sh wonders why 19:35 < mwalling> 19:34 <@caker> who hosts the dns for the zone? 19:35 < jameslee> what do you mean by that 19:35 < jameslee> i have it on the server 19:35 < mwalling> whos you're name server? 19:35 < jameslee> where i host the TLD i guess 19:35 < tjfontaine> what is the domain? 19:35 < mwalling> fsck... s/you're/your/ 19:36 < jameslee> sitemanaged.org 19:36 < caker> scorche|sh: I already had a cf license from other projects :) 19:36 < caker> but it was expensive 19:36 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has joined #linode 19:36 -!- rsl [~rsl@c-24-98-104-133.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: 4 8 15 16 23 42] 19:36 < scorche|sh> caker: open source! :( 19:36 < tjfontaine> sitepowered.net hosts the dns for your domain 19:36 < CaptObviousman> jameslee: this is what you need 19:36 < CaptObviousman> http://help.godaddy.com/topic/163/article/668 19:36 < jameslee> yes 19:36 < jameslee> so.... 19:36 < caker> honestly, it was/is the only piece of non-foss software I've ever had installed on my servers (for theshore.net shared hosting stuff) 19:37 < jameslee> no i know about nameservers lol 19:37 < mikegrb> lolz 19:37 < jameslee> but 19:37 < mwalling> jameslee: then sitepowered is who you need to talk to 19:37 < jameslee> mwalling 19:37 < jameslee> i AM sitepowered 19:37 < jameslee> lol 19:37 < mikegrb> lolz 19:37 < tjfontaine> ok, can you be more clear, about dns not resolving 19:37 < caker> scorche|sh: I already had a fair amount built and an expert knowledge of CF when I started linode -- so I built on top of that 19:37 < mwalling> jameslee 19:37 < scorche|sh> caker: not to grill you, but why would you choose it over alternatives?...just because you knew it? 19:37 < jameslee> i added 19:37 < scorche|sh> yeah... 19:37 < mwalling> then you need to configure your dns 19:37 < jameslee> a domain sitemanaged.org 19:37 < jameslee> on my server 19:37 < jameslee> then i added 19:37 < jameslee> A entries 19:37 < jameslee> for the subdomain 19:37 < jameslee> in the edit DNS zone 19:38 < tjfontaine> more words on a single line please 19:38 < CaptObviousman> linode is caker's baby then? 19:38 < caker> scorche|sh: I had a billing system and a basic DB design for theshore.net hosting stuff I did, which I used as a starting point for linode 19:38 < jameslee> to the linode vps IP? 19:38 < caker> CaptObviousman: yup 19:38 < scorche|sh> caker: it has just been a while since i saw a site that used the stuff :) 19:38 < mwalling> CaptObviousman: no, mikegrb is cakers baby 19:38 < CaptObviousman> well, props to you then 19:38 < jameslee> is what i did wrong? something misconfigured? 19:38 < caker> scorche|sh: it's not all buzzword-infested like some of the other languages and frameworks -- but I've been using it so long I have my own framework :) 19:39 < CaptObviousman> hard to argue with that 19:39 < scorche|sh> caker: did you originally choose it, or did a client/employer use it? 19:39 < tjfontaine> lies I can argue with anything :) 19:40 < jameslee> isn't adding A entry the only think i should have to do? 19:40 < caker> scorche|sh: I had programmed for years pre-internets; but I started out with perl (use CGI) ... which, was painful 19:40 < caker> scorche|sh: then I got a job and was exposed to cf and was blown away how freaking easy it was 19:41 < caker> er, started out web-programming with perl 19:41 < tjfontaine> hell you could have been doing C raw 19:41 < tjfontaine> c cgi 19:41 < tjfontaine> I mean fuck raaw 19:41 < CaptObviousman> tjfontaine: yeah uh 19:41 < caker> scorche|sh: dood -- myspace! 19:42 * caker grins 19:42 * Bdragon wonders how many people caker now owes keyboards 19:42 < scorche|sh> tjfontaine: i usually use C, but i cant even begin to imagine a fully C cgi website... 19:42 < CaptObviousman> jameslee: ok, so you own one domain name, sitepowered.net. You bought a second domain name sitepowered.org, and you want that to be the dns for sitepowered.net? 19:42 < scorche|sh> caker: dont scare me like that 19:42 < CaptObviousman> err, whatever 19:42 < tjfontaine> scorche|sh: they exist. 19:42 < caker> haha 19:42 < scorche|sh> tjfontaine: im sure they do...but still... 19:42 * scorche|sh hugs his embedded systems 19:42 < bd_> scorche|sh: Does it count if it's compiled from something else into C? 19:43 < tjfontaine> scorche|sh: I'm sure there are even cobol ones 19:43 < caker> cfoo <-- I implemented my own OO layer in CFML before it supported objects :) 19:43 < Bdragon> But possibly not any web 2.0 ones 19:43 < iggy> a bash web framework 19:43 < tjfontaine> caker++ 19:43 < Bdragon> haserl 19:43 < tjfontaine> Bdragon: don't tempt them 19:43 < Bdragon> I wrote a small gallery app in haserl :P 19:43 < caker> http://www.theshore.net/cfoo/ClassBuilder/ClassView.cfm?class=Objects.ExampleObject <-- class builder 19:44 < caker> http://www.theshore.net/cfoo/readme.html 19:44 * caker flexes 19:44 < caker> it also generates a DB schema based on the object model 19:44 < scorche|sh> caker: looks like the debug screen 19:44 < caker> yeah .. I modeled it after javadocs 19:44 < bob2> for additional authenticity, the readme is invalid html 4! 19:44 < caker> javadocs are purdy 19:45 < caker> :) 19:45 < tjfontaine> brrr Copy/Move the "/Place In CustomTags/CFOO" directory into your CustomTags directory. Example: C:\CFUSION\CustomTags\CFOO\ 19:45 < tjfontaine> :) 19:45 < caker> hehe 19:45 < caker> well, cf 4.5 was only windows 19:45 < caker> 5.0 they released Linux goodness ... caker buys 19:46 * CaptObviousman has an evil thought 19:46 < tjfontaine> caker speaks of caker in 3rd person 19:46 < CaptObviousman> can you run UML inside a UML share? 19:46 < caker> caker haz cake 19:46 < mikegrb> mmm cake 19:46 < caker> CaptObviousman: yup .. compile a UML kernel with CONFIG_NEST_LEVEL=1 or something like that 19:48 < caker> the classbuilder is self-hosting :) 19:48 < caker> those were the days... 19:48 < tjfontaine> aww nostalgic caker 19:49 < scorche|sh> caker: ok fine...i will no longer tease you about coldfusion...but dont give anymore money to adobe =P 19:49 < tjfontaine> he should setup a test server for us (evil grin) 19:51 -!- lakin [~lakin@d137-186-59-36.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #linode 19:51 < caker> http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/bluedragon_basics.cfm <-- semi-free(?) CFML interpreter 19:51 -!- mendel [nywom@76-10-159-31.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #linode 19:52 < caker> it's open source, but a some restricted license methinks 19:52 < silverblade> hey is it possible to upgrade to a pay-for-a-year linode from a pay-monthly one and get the extra space? 19:52 < caker> silverblade: yes -- ticket 19:52 < silverblade> cool. im thinking of getting a 2nd linode which i intend to be Xen running Hardy. 19:52 < silverblade> so i can do a server rebuild 19:53 < silverblade> and then was considering just paying for a year since the exchange rate is pretty good right now 19:53 < scorche|sh> silverblade: ugh...dont remind me...i am going to the EU this summer =/ 19:53 -!- hfb [~hfb@pool-71-118-254-245.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:56 < silverblade> whats wrong with that? 19:56 < silverblade> oh wait :D lol 19:56 < mikegrb> lolz 19:57 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:58 < scorche|sh> silverblade: what is wrong with that is i am probably going to be paying >10USD for a damn coffee =P 19:58 < scorche|sh> ok...maybe a latte 20:00 -!- rsl [~rsl@c-24-98-104-133.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linode 20:02 < TofuMatt> haha 20:03 < silverblade> yes sorry i got that the wrong way around 20:03 < silverblade> it benefits us to leave europe :D 20:04 -!- Bald_rick [~hucke@adsl-75-34-25-173.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04 -!- Infinito [~argos@200-140-155-228.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:10 < scorche|sh> either way, my wallet is going to be hurting pretty bad...as if the flight costs werent enough 20:11 < scorche|sh> but it shall be worth it =P 20:12 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has joined #linode 20:13 -!- r3z [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:13 -!- r3z [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #linode 20:15 -!- lakin [~lakin@d137-186-59-36.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:36 -!- clanehin [~lane@cpe-069-134-066-130.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38 -!- jordanb [~jordanb@adsl-68-20-212-153.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #linode 20:39 < jordanb> Hi. 20:39 < jordanb> So I've been trying to setup a UML and have been having trouble with it freezing. 20:39 < jordanb> I figure since people in here use UML quit a bit I might ask about it. 20:40 < jordanb> When it freezes, all networking locks up except taht I can still ping it. 20:40 < jordanb> And the console also locks up. 20:41 < jordanb> When I connect with mconsole it doesn't answer any commands, not even cad 20:42 < jordanb> Oh. A weird thing is that if I say 'go' it says 'not stopped', then if I say 'stop' it says 'ok,' but when I say 'go' again it still says 'not stopped.' 20:42 < jordanb> and then if I do an int from mconsole the process instantly dies. 20:42 < irgeek> I don't think many people here use UML. 20:43 < iggy> s/here/*/ 20:43 < irgeek> Most of us are just customers of a hosting service that does. 20:43 < jordanb> Yeah, I want to move it to xen but this is a stopgap on a server in a colo. 20:43 < jordanb> irgeek, Yeah, I use Linode too, this is for a different thing. 20:43 < irgeek> You might try #uml 20:44 < irgeek> I'll bet there are a few people there who use it. 20:46 < TofuMatt> lol 20:46 < mikegrb> lolz 20:48 < caker> jordanb: jdike is still hanging out in #uml ... I havne't seen that (well with the exception of zeroday's Linode today) 20:48 < caker> jordanb: which kernel version? 20:48 < caker> jordanb: 2.6.24 and 2.6.25 have timing problems -- which sounds like what you may be hitting 20:49 < jordanb> Well, the host is a fedora machien with 2.6.22, the guest is runing 2.6.24. 20:49 < caker> jordanb: also, stop/go has been broken for the past few kernel versions 20:50 < caker> jordanb: give 2.6.23 a shot. The only known issue with it is that it'll panic under heavy network io (fixed in later versions, but see above) 20:50 < jordanb> Ok thanks. 20:50 < jordanb> Do you think it would be better to find another .22 kernel? I was wondering if kernel version mismatches might be the problem. 20:51 < caker> no, that's fine 20:51 < caker> guest kernel is usually to blame .. however, I only run skas3, and I've seen skas0 act differently 20:52 -!- xitology [~xi@78.31.182.24] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:52 < caker> jordanb: http://www.linode.com/~caker/uml/kernels/2.6.23.17-linode43 <-- give that a shot 20:53 < caker> jordanb: are you running ntpd inside the UML by chance? 20:53 < jordanb> Oh awesome. Thank you. :) 20:53 < jordanb> caker, Yes, actually. 20:54 < caker> nod .. timing problems I mentioned earlier. Pretty sure jdike will have patches queued up for 2.6.26 or .27 -- he found an issue relating to that and is still working through it 20:54 < jordanb> Well thanks, I'll try this. 20:55 < jordanb> BTW, is there a way to suck down an image of a Linode, with the kernel? 20:55 < CoreDuo> my file server is made of win 20:55 < CoreDuo> P2 400, 660GB of storage 20:56 < caker> jordanb: the kernels are all in that directory. We don't make our images available - but if you're a customer you could suck it down quite easily 20:56 < jordanb> Yeah that's what I mean. 20:56 < jordanb> I tried to do that but the only thing I could find in the console was for cloning. 20:57 < jordanb> To a different linode account, it looked like. 20:57 < caker> rsync? 20:57 < jordanb> Well that's one way. :/ 20:57 < caker> or, deploy another distro on the side, mount its filesystem, boot the orig distro, and rsync the un-booted distro elsewhere 20:57 < caker> Linux give you the pow 20:57 < caker> powa 20:58 < silverblade> pow? isnt that something from Mario? 20:58 < jordanb> Yeah that's probably what I should ahve done. 20:58 < jordanb> Didn't think of it at the time. 20:59 * bd_ raises eyebrow at http://www.linode.com/~caker/mp3 20:59 < silverblade> CoreDuo: i attempted to build a fileserver out of a p2 350, but i wanted to have a sata card + sata drive... 20:59 < silverblade> ...and i couldnt find any that worked properly with linux 20:59 < Bdragon> http://www.supermariolegacy.com/FanArt/Lwelyk/Smb2PowBlock.jpg 20:59 < caker> bd_: stuff I've recorded :) 20:59 < CoreDuo> lol 20:59 < mikegrb> lolz 20:59 < CoreDuo> mine's a maxtor ultra ata 133 card 21:00 < bd_> fair enough :) 21:00 < silverblade> CoreDuo: yeah i never thought of doing it that way around. 21:00 < silverblade> i sort of half-assed it and got a USB2 card, and a USB2-to-SATA adapter... 21:00 < CoreDuo> ...oh jesus, haha 21:00 < CoreDuo> epic win RAID array right there 21:00 < silverblade> now this is where it gets fun. 21:01 < silverblade> the USB2 card froze up after excessive usage 21:01 -!- Deckert [~Deckert@dsl-240-147-158.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01 < CoreDuo> you think? :p 21:01 < silverblade> ie in the middle of copying say 50 GB 21:01 -!- Deckert [~Deckert@dsl-240-147-158.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #linode 21:01 < silverblade> not only this but the power brick for the adapter (they assume you'll use it externally) seemed to generate some kind of EMP field which took out my internet every time 21:02 < CoreDuo> perhaps i need to mount an 80mm on the hdd cage 21:02 < CoreDuo> the fuckers get hot 21:02 < silverblade> cheap crap brought from a computer market. instructions say "u must not whop without stopping" 21:02 < CoreDuo> lol 21:02 < mikegrb> lolz 21:02 < silverblade> the manual is hilarious 21:03 < CoreDuo> mine's a P2 i had lying around + an IDE card i found lying around + the 420W out of my sempron 21:03 < silverblade> "thank u for purchasing this disk encloseur" 21:03 < CoreDuo> haha 21:03 < CoreDuo> only thing i'm worried about now is my hdd cage catching fire 21:04 < silverblade> i watercooled my hdds 21:04 < silverblade> keeps 'em quiet 21:04 < silverblade> at the moment though folding@home is causing something in my pc to make weird noises 21:04 < CoreDuo> i dun really care about noise 21:04 < CoreDuo> i have a compaq proliant 21:04 < CoreDuo> i'm used to it 21:04 < CoreDuo> lol 21:04 < mikegrb> lolz 21:04 < silverblade> noise annoys me 21:05 < Bdragon> Heh, I had my f@h set to 50% cpu usage and you could hear it stopping and starting... 21:05 < Bdragon> (bzzzz bzzzzz bzzzzz bzzzzz) 21:05 < Bdragon> on a laptop 21:05 < CoreDuo> i just need to go grab an 80mm and put it on the front of the hdd cage 21:05 < CoreDuo> cheap solution 21:07 < silverblade> remove case. 21:07 < silverblade> purchase large fan 21:07 < CoreDuo> the machine itself isn't hot 21:07 < CoreDuo> just the HDD cage 21:07 < silverblade> hang the drives from their cables and use them as high tech windchimes 21:07 < silverblade> yeah but removing the case might help 21:08 < CoreDuo> the cage is outside of the case anyway 21:08 < silverblade> ah 21:08 * silverblade shurgs 21:08 < silverblade> shrugs* 21:08 * CoreDuo goes and grabs his personal fan 21:09 < CoreDuo> this shall solve ze problem 21:09 < silverblade> you have a fanbase? 21:09 < silverblade> and you selected one of them 21:10 < silverblade> to... blow on the drive :D 21:10 < Bdragon> The hard drive 21:10 < Bdragon> It's funnier when you say hard drive 21:10 < silverblade> oh oh 21:10 < Bdragon> Go go gadget groupies! 21:10 < silverblade> to... blow on the HARD DISK 21:10 < silverblade> (even) 21:10 < CoreDuo> haha this they sell it on newegg 21:10 < CoreDuo> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16896113126 21:10 < CoreDuo> they sell* 21:11 < silverblade> what did you typo? 21:11 < CoreDuo> -this 21:11 < silverblade> i cannot see 21:11 < silverblade> oh 21:11 < Bdragon> HT-804 Super Turbo! 21:11 < CoreDuo> :P 21:11 < Bdragon> --omg-optimized! 21:11 < CoreDuo> that's almost as bad as EVGA's superclocked cards 21:12 * caker switches to 66Mhz 21:12 < caker> TURBO 21:12 < Bdragon> DX2! 21:12 < Bdragon> Math coprocessor! 21:12 < CoreDuo> 486 <3 21:12 < warewolf> caker- ping 21:12 < caker> warewolf: pongage 21:12 < silverblade> which linodes run on that then? :p 21:13 < CoreDuo> 486 linode... 21:13 < CoreDuo> :D 21:13 * CoreDuo hauls out 486, installs linux and installs UML 21:13 < warewolf> caker: rebuilding iptables wants kernel source ... how do I go about updating my iptables to support whatever netfilter extensions you enabled in the kernel? 21:13 < caker> warewolf: uh ... this is Red Hat ? 21:13 < warewolf> ayup. 21:13 < Bdragon> Oooh, I just thought up a "database in the cloud" joke... 21:14 < Bdragon> USE internet; 21:14 < silverblade> i really need to learn to read 21:14 < caker> just feed it kernel.org src for the version you're running, I'd guess 21:14 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:14 < silverblade> i read that as "oooh, i just thought up a 'database in a child' joke... USENET!" 21:14 < warewolf> caker: I was rebuilding from netfilter.org iptables tarball 21:14 < warewolf> caker: I want to try out the 'recent' match extension 21:14 < Bdragon> No, usenet is database in the ADULTS ACTING LIKE child 21:14 < silverblade> ahhh 21:14 < silverblade> that'd be where the association came from 21:15 < caker> afaik, iptables userland can be compiled with support for everything .. regardless of what's enabled in the kernel 21:15 < warewolf> really. hm. okay, lemme prod and see why it wants a kernel source. 21:15 < Bdragon> wants source? not just system headers? 21:16 < Bdragon> The screen scraping turkey goes "grovel grovel!" 21:17 < Bdragon> Hmm, I need to tone down the randomness a tad... 21:17 < silverblade> rmmod random 21:17 < silverblade> before you do that 21:17 < silverblade> iw 21:17 < silverblade> id like to share this wonderful picture with you 21:17 < silverblade> http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/o/r/organs_pusher/otjig.jpg 21:18 < silverblade> now what do you suppose is going on there? 21:18 < Bdragon> Wow, that is one unappetizing looking url 21:18 < silverblade> hmm yes it does sound rather nasty. 21:19 < silverblade> that had not occurred to me 21:19 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 21:19 < silverblade> dont worry, its not a rick-rolling goatse 21:19 < Bdragon> Organs pusher.. Is that like black market kidneys? 21:19 < Peng> I just ate Chinese and donuts. Best breakfast ever. 21:19 < Bdragon> That guitar looks photoshopped.. 21:19 < HoopyCat> so the russians stole our family album! son of a bitch 21:19 < HoopyCat> (that's me, with the guitar) 21:20 < silverblade> look past the fact that someone has evidently shopped it. 21:20 < Bdragon> The lady in the background looks like my Grandma Jane.. 21:21 < Bdragon> oh my... Is that guy in the background dropping trou? 21:21 < caker> heh 21:21 < warewolf> hm, it needs various headers from the kernel. 21:21 < warewolf> okay, lets try vanilla $(uname -r) 21:22 < Bdragon> I'm gonna go with "everyone got drunk except for one person, who happened to bring a camera with." 21:23 < Bdragon> That picture is like one of those Where's Waldo posters... 21:23 < silverblade> there you go! 21:23 < silverblade> you spotted it 21:24 < silverblade> the focal point of that picture seems to be the guy in the background 21:24 < silverblade> as opposed to the child at the front 21:24 -!- CDMoyer [~cmoyer@darkwing.inarow.net] has joined #linode 21:24 < Bdragon> The belt is what tipped me off.. 21:25 < Bdragon> "Is that guy holding a knife? Oh, it's a belt... Oh, that's his pants.." 21:25 < silverblade> lol 21:25 < mikegrb> lolz 21:25 < Bdragon> that room looks eerily similar to my dining room... 21:26 -!- lanstin [~lanstin@www.austin-lane.net] has joined #linode 21:26 < Bdragon> 'cept we don't have alcohol lying around 21:26 -!- lanstin [~lanstin@www.austin-lane.net] has left #linode [] 21:26 -!- lanstin [~lanstin@www.austin-lane.net] has joined #linode 21:27 -!- hobbes006 [~hobbes006@cm45.kappa209.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #linode 21:27 -!- hobbes006 [~hobbes006@cm45.kappa209.maxonline.com.sg] has left #linode [] 21:29 -!- INternat [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 21:31 -!- sveiss [~sveiss@host81-158-218-65.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: sveiss] 21:33 < warewolf> caker: okay, building iptables against vanilla kernel source worked. ty. 21:33 < jordanb> Why does modern web design == tiny font? 21:34 < caker> one word: macs 21:34 -!- jm [~fake@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34 < jordanb> They display fonts bigger than they should? 21:34 < bob2> or giant pastel fonts 21:37 < HoopyCat> you can hear the pixels, they're so crisp 21:38 < Peng> The ssh attempts are calming down a bit. Huh. 21:38 * silverblade chuckles 21:38 < silverblade> ok there goes my plans to get another linode today! 21:38 < silverblade> "Estimated Availability 05-14-2008" 21:39 < jordanb> I haven't noticed any ssh attempts in years, since I set up the stateful iptables filter. 21:41 < HoopyCat> hmm, range safety officer... sounds like a good, low-stress part-time job 21:42 < caker> !avail 21:42 < linbot> caker: Linode360 - 0, Linode540 - 21, Linode720 - 0, Linode1080 - 0, Linode1440 - 0 21:42 < caker> :( 21:42 < bob2> you're too popular 21:42 < silverblade> nobody loves the 540 21:42 < bob2> raise prices or something 21:42 < HoopyCat> caker: hump-day special on the 540's! 21:42 * silverblade gags bob2 21:43 < Bdragon> heh 21:43 < Bdragon> What's the price point on that one again 21:43 < Bdragon> ahh, the $30 plan... 21:43 < silverblade> actually if the 540s were made cheaper now id probably get one :p lol 21:43 < mikegrb> lolz 21:44 < silverblade> i must stop lolling. 21:44 < bob2> you're wearing out mikegrb's fingers 21:44 < bob2> = less distro enhancements 21:44 < Bdragon> Hah, I have a 360, a 720, and a 1440, but no 540.. 21:44 < HoopyCat> http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/1.43.html#subj1 8-O 21:44 < jordanb> I have a 540. 21:44 < Bdragon> (gotta catch em all?) 21:44 < HoopyCat> maybe i don't want to be range safety officer. 21:44 < silverblade> Bdragon: do you play Monopoly, by any chance? :p 21:44 < silverblade> you can build a hotel once you get the 540! 21:44 < jordanb> I switched to the $30 one when the $20 one was still 100MB. 21:45 < jordanb> I thought about switching back down now that they have more resources, but I also want to run asterisk on it so I figure I'll use them when I start doing that. 21:45 < Bdragon> "You can take my boardwalk and park place over my dead body" 21:45 < Bdragon> Monopoly's all about buying boardwalk and park place and spamming hotels all over them... 21:45 < Peng> jordanb: Stateful iptables filter? 21:46 < silverblade> on the other hand if they suddenly did a special offer on the 540s then everyone would get them so there would be none left at all 21:46 * silverblade looks for any potential reason for the 540s to be left out 21:46 < jordanb> Peng, It counts new connections to port 22 from a given host. 21:46 < jordanb> WHen the number hits the threashhold it puts it in a ban for a minute. 21:46 < jordanb> Every time a new hit comes in the 60 second counter on the ban gets refereshed. 21:47 * silverblade 's obsessive-compulsiveness picks up on the fact that all other nodes have even 10s for the disk space, and the data transfer is always a multiple of 200 for the others 21:47 < Xel> I need to figure snort out 21:47 < jordanb> So when they start knockng on your ssh port, they get banned after the third hit, then they stay banned for as long as they're trying. 21:47 < Xel> It is not as easy to configure and use as I'd hoped. 21:47 < Peng> jordanb: Huh. 21:47 < HoopyCat> the 540 plan reminds me of a centaur 21:47 < Peng> jordanb: I just run DenyHosts. :P 21:47 < HoopyCat> half 360, half 720 21:48 < jordanb> Peng, http://hafd.org/~jordanb/rc.local 21:48 < jordanb> That's it. 21:48 < HoopyCat> ("well, maybe. but you've got to remember that, at some point, there's going to be a 720 kernel in there." "fair enough.") 21:48 < jordanb> The second rule is just a ulog. 21:48 < Bdragon> When I started, the 720 was a 160.... 21:48 < jordanb> The first rul does the tagging, the third rule does the dropping. 21:48 < Xel> jordanb - That's basics. 21:49 < jordanb> Hrmm? 21:49 -!- pdepartida [~be9aa63c@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 21:49 < Bdragon> and the second rule eats doritos all day and watches soaps 21:49 -!- irgeek [~irgeek@h-69-3-128-173.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50 < jordanb> That is actually exactly what it does as I don't have ulogging setup. 21:50 < Xel> Know of any decent guides for configuring snort? 21:52 < pdepartida> http://www.snort.org/docs/snort-rh7-mysql-ACID-1-5.pdf 21:53 < pdepartida> http://www.snort.org/docs/ 21:54 -!- irgeek [~irgeek@h-69-3-181-131.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #linode 21:58 -!- pdepartida [~be9aa63c@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58 -!- pdepartida [~be9aa63c@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 22:14 -!- pdepartida [~be9aa63c@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17 < mwalling> !avail-tp 22:18 < linbot> mwalling: Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 13, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0 22:21 < arooni> help one of my sites is on lifehacker! here is config: http://pastie.caboo.se/193412 ... how do i make it faster? i think i want to lower the keep alive 22:24 < HoopyCat> arooni: make as much of the site as possible (esp. the main page) into static .html files -- that will help substantially 22:25 < Bdragon> Turn the log level down... 22:25 < bob2> lowering the maximum requests per child in apache will hurt 22:25 < bob2> unless you're using some broken module that leaks appreciable amounts of memory 22:26 < HoopyCat> how's your memory utilization? are you under xen or uml? if the former, are all four virtual CPUs getting hit evenly? if the latter, how's /proc/io_status? 22:28 < HoopyCat> i wonder how the uplink utilization in dallas is now ;-) 22:28 < arooni> Bdragon, how do i turn down log level 22:28 < arooni> HoopyCat, top - 02:25:36 up 12 days, 8:36, 3 users, load average: 0.08, 0.25, 0.20 22:28 < arooni> free -m -/+ buffers/cache: 269 80 22:29 < arooni> poor asterisk :( 1627 root 20 0 19764 5336 1600 S 9999 1.5 8:27.73 asterisk 22:29 -!- Internat [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #linode 22:29 < Bdragon> wait, your load average is 0.08? 22:30 < arooni> yeah low 22:30 < HoopyCat> hmm 22:30 < arooni> we've gotten 2783 visits when normally we get 400/day 22:30 < Bdragon> Are you utilizing a timing driver? 22:30 < arooni> Bdragon, i dont know what that is 22:31 < HoopyCat> run "vmstat 1 2" and paste the last line returned... i wonder... 22:31 < arooni> 1 0 0 56460 2900 23156 0 0 2 27 5021 2262 3 0 95 2 22:32 < HoopyCat> no swapping, that's good 22:32 < HoopyCat> I/O isn't too bad 22:33 < HoopyCat> why is it so slow? *scratches head* 22:33 < irgeek> Only my mother can own a laser printer for a year without realizing it has a duplexer in it. 22:33 < arooni> HoopyCat, http://www.phonemyphone.com ... its loading soooo slow 22:34 < HoopyCat> arooni: so what's generating that page? 22:34 < silverblade> hamster ran out of nuts? 22:34 < arooni> haha 22:34 < arooni> HoopyCat, rails 22:35 < HoopyCat> arooni: ah, the fancy-pants dynamic levitating cow of the year. 22:35 < arooni> ahhhaha 22:35 < arooni> here comes the load load average: 0.44, 0.26, 0.20 22:35 < bob2> rake moo 22:36 < Bdragon> funny that your load would be low like that... 22:36 < irgeek> arooni: Xen or UML? 22:36 < arooni> irgeek, xen 22:36 < Bdragon> Logfiles getting constipated? 22:36 < irgeek> So not tokens... 22:36 < Bdragon> how's yer free space? 22:36 < irgeek> Are your disks full? 22:36 < irgeek> :) 22:36 < arooni> irgeek, dont know how to check that :( 22:36 < irgeek> df -h 22:36 < Bdragon> df -h 22:36 < HoopyCat> arooni: i would seriously, seriously recommend having the main page be static html, perhaps regenerated every 10-15 minutes to keep the data fresh 22:37 < Bdragon> jynx 22:37 < arooni> /dev/xvda1 9.4G 3.2G 6.2G 34% / ... 22:37 < irgeek> Just the one partition I assume... 22:37 < Bdragon> du -h /var/log/apache2/phonemyphone_errors_log 22:37 < Bdragon> du -h /var/log/apache2/phonemyphone_log 22:37 < HoopyCat> (am i the only one who can't look at "xvda" without thinking of orgazmo?) 22:37 < arooni> 185M /var/log/apache2/phonemyphone_errors_log 22:38 < bob2> hahaha 22:38 < bob2> babow 22:38 < Bdragon> "swoosh" goes the sound of the reference going over my head... 22:38 < HoopyCat> might be cool to tail -f that errors_log to see if there's something actively whining 22:38 < arooni> [Thu May 08 02:35:48 2008] [debug] mod_deflate.c(447): [client 99.242.21.49] Zlib: Compressed 5534 to 1487 : URL /stylesheets/style.css, referer: http://www.phonemyphone.com/ 22:38 < arooni> i'm getting debug messages 22:39 < arooni> is that slowing it down? 22:39 < bob2> yes 22:39 < Bdragon> yeah 22:39 < arooni> ok fail 22:39 < arooni> how do i turn off those debug messages 22:39 < Bdragon> so does repeatedly deflating without caching 22:39 < Bdragon> I told you :P 22:39 < arooni> oops 22:39 < Bdragon> Look at the paste you pasted 22:39 < Bdragon> Line 26 22:39 < arooni> haha ok 22:39 < arooni> Bdragon, how do i cache 22:39 -!- minerale [35181@acmex.gatech.edu] has joined #linode 22:40 < Bdragon> Set LogLevel to warn 22:40 < Bdragon> that should help a bit 22:40 < arooni> ok will do 22:40 < HoopyCat> Bdragon: this is a family channel, so find "You see, when the Mormons first arrived" in http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124819/quotes ... and then rent that movie 22:40 < irgeek> Also, if you're running Apache with the prefork MPM your apache may too busy to serve requests. That can make things slow in a hurry. 22:41 < arooni> irgeek, how do if ix 22:42 < Bdragon> HoopyCat: That looks like a winner..... 22:42 < minerale> how do I create a 1gb file using dd? 22:42 < Bdragon> use bs and count 22:42 < minerale> $ dd if=/dev/zero of=bigfile bs=? count= 22:43 < HoopyCat> minerale: dd if=/dev/zero of=boom bs=1M count=1024 22:43 < Bdragon> bs=1M count=1024 22:43 < minerale> ah, ok, thanks 22:43 < Bdragon> Actually sometimes you can get better speed by tuning the block size... 22:43 < silverblade> i am so lagged. 22:43 < HoopyCat> Bdragon: it's an interesting movie, to say the least. 22:43 -!- vorien [~sbob@c-76-27-207-234.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #linode 22:44 < vorien> Hi, anyone around who can assist with an issue with my linode server? 22:44 < irgeek> Either by running more Apache servers (this will require more memory) or upgrading to a threaded web server--lighttp or Apache + worker MPM (I think worker is threaded, and this has security implications) 22:44 < silverblade> vorien: plenty of us here 22:44 < HoopyCat> vorien: depends! sup? 22:44 < irgeek> Sorry, there's no quick answer to the question. 22:44 < vorien> I'm getting random packet loss to my hosted server. I'm getting anywhere from 25% loss to 75% loss from various locations. 22:45 < bob2> how would the threaded one help? 22:45 < vorien> traceroute completes fine with no errors 22:45 < mwalling> vorien: t r a c e r o u t e 22:45 < mwalling> oh 22:45 < vorien> But my shell sessions are lagging horribly. 22:45 < mwalling> vorien: m t r 22:45 < vorien> And I can ping from FROM the server. 22:45 < bob2> vorien: how did you measure 25-75%? ping? 22:45 < HoopyCat> vorien: hmm, which datacenter? 22:46 < vorien> Ping, yes. 22:46 < silverblade> i had a weird problem about 5 minutes ago 22:46 < vorien> HoopyCat: Texas I think, let me check 22:46 < irgeek> bob2: Threaded servers which are tuned properly can handle more concurrent connections in less memory. 22:46 < silverblade> whereby this irc channel lagged badly, i couldnt get on linode.com nor could i access my server. 22:46 < bob2> how? shouldn't it be shared anyway? 22:46 < irgeek> Nope. 22:47 < HoopyCat> vorien: i'm in dallas and stuff is ok for me, but trying to traceroute to you from here looks sloppy between level3 and comcast 22:47 < bob2> fork is cow 22:47 < vorien> Odd, let me try another route from the server itself 22:47 * caker preforks bob2 22:47 < silverblade> the fork is attached to a cow 22:47 < silverblade> moo 22:48 < silverblade> the cow is on my plate 22:48 < irgeek> Threads are lighter than processes. On the other hand security and CGI stuff is different with a threaded model. 22:48 < minerale> How fast is IO normally? it's been somewhat slow for me recently... creating a 1gb file using dd; 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 184.344 seconds, 5.8 MB/s 22:48 < bob2> how are they lighter? 22:48 < bob2> processes and threads on linux are created with clone, and both share memory 22:49 < vorien> HoopyCat: From my hosted server I'm getting no errors and about 65ms average, which is normal. Naturally it seems to be functioning at this particular point in time. 22:49 < vorien> I'll keep checking it if it lags and take it up with Comcast if it continues. Thanks. 22:49 < HoopyCat> vorien: ehhh, good luck with that :-) 22:49 < vorien> Yeah no doubt. >< 22:49 < lanstin> This is a famous argument - the no threads people argue a well written no-threads app is faster than a threaded one - different things are easier to program with the different models - for apache it's an empirical question, but I don't know the answer. I'd expect a memory / speed trade off. 22:50 -!- vorien [~sbob@c-76-27-207-234.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: *blip*] 22:51 < lanstin> static pages are the way to go though - cached in ram and then right to the ethernet driver. 22:51 < bob2> for shizzle 22:51 < silverblade> what is this shizzle of which you speak 22:52 < HoopyCat> bizzle = open(shizzle, 'r') 22:52 < Bdragon> The shizzle that's the shizzle fo rizzle. 22:52 -!- D[a]rkbeholder is now known as darkbeholder 22:52 < HoopyCat> drizzle = umbrella.deploy() 22:52 < irgeek> It all depends on what the server needs to do. Threaded Apache, for instance, cannot suEXEC a CGI. 22:53 < irgeek> There is no right answer for everybody. 22:53 < lanstin> Also edit the opening pages to not have any images 22:53 < Bdragon> (because threads can't have child processes) 22:53 < lanstin> As a mod_python person I can't use threads yet (last time I checked). 22:53 < HoopyCat> eh, it's 2008, images are fine. as long as they're static. :-) 22:54 < lanstin> Well, if the server is fine, it's fine. If it's starting to buckle under, removing the images will help the server be more fine, eh. 22:56 < HoopyCat> yeah, even loading logo.jpg alone is slow :-/ 22:56 < Bdragon> http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/mongrel-users/2007-June/003672.html 22:57 < HoopyCat> huh, almost... exactly... 30 seconds... 22:58 < Bdragon> A timeout you think? 22:58 < Bdragon> Given the low load average, I think it might be a timeout, hmm? 23:00 < HoopyCat> arooni: HostnameLookups is not set to On in your config, right? 23:00 < irgeek> If it were HostnameLookups, wouldn't a reload be faster? 23:00 < irgeek> Because it's not for me. 23:01 < irgeek> And my IP does reverse. 23:01 < HoopyCat> irgeek: as does mine, but weird crap happens if it gets backlogged 23:02 < arooni> HoopyCat, correct; not enabled 23:02 < HoopyCat> ok. just wanted to make sure :-) 23:02 < arooni> i increased number of rails dispatchers 2=>6 and cached the index page 23:03 < arooni> and still load time is ridicously long :( 23:03 < HoopyCat> weeeird. 23:03 < irgeek> I tried a flood ping from both my Linodes. They were fine. From home I get about 40% packet loss--but I get the same to both my Linode's from home. 23:03 < arooni> 49 seconds! 23:04 < irgeek> Do you need to restart anything after a config edit? 23:04 -!- kassah-lappy [~kassah@24-116-150-254.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:04 * silverblade restarts his mind 23:05 < irgeek> It doesn't look like b/w. If I grab the index with wget it takes a long time to start but downloads super fast once it starts. 23:06 < arooni> doesnt look like b/w/ 23:06 < arooni> ? 23:06 < Bdragon> hostnamelookups can be slow if the resolver isn't working at all 23:07 < Bdragon> What's your /etc/resolv.conf look like? 23:07 < arooni> Bdragon, me? 23:07 < Bdragon> yeah 23:07 < arooni> http://pastie.caboo.se/193425 23:08 < irgeek> arooni: bandwidth 23:08 < HoopyCat> ok, i've totally hit the exhaustion threshold 23:08 < mwalling> HoopyCat: dayquill? 23:09 < HoopyCat> mwalling: i think i'll probably be able to sleep without the Q tonight 23:09 < silverblade> which dc does dallas use again 23:09 < Dustin> theplanet 23:09 < Bdragon> theplanet 23:09 < mwalling> silverblade: theplanet 23:10 < linbot> theplanet 23:10 < silverblade> aha 23:10 < silverblade> theplanet 23:10 < silverblade> !rr 23:10 < linbot> silverblade: *click* 23:10 -!- TofuMatt [~TofuMatt@hlfxns0161w-142068042047.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has quit [Quit: ^D] 23:10 < silverblade> where during signup do you specify a DC? or dont you? 23:11 < HoopyCat> g'nite folx! 23:11 < mwalling> when you first login after activation 23:12 < HoopyCat> good luck arooni! 23:12 < arooni> goodnite HoopyCat 23:12 < arooni> thanks for your help! 23:12 < Bdragon> after signup before deployment IIRC 23:19 < irgeek> silverblade: After your account is approved. 23:19 * irgeek should read 23:20 < irgeek> arooni: Have you tried putting up a static index file? 23:21 < arooni> irgeek, yes sir 23:22 * silverblade is unsure if he wants to pay for the year or pay per month... decisions... 23:22 < irgeek> I paid monthly for years, but finally went yearly for the free disk. 23:23 < silverblade> mm. hey if you pay for a year, 2 years in a row, do you get even more disk? :p 23:24 < irgeek> If you're here two years in a row, Linode will have upgraded stuff anyway. 23:24 < silverblade> true 23:26 -!- kassah-lappy [~kassah@24-116-150-254.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #linode 23:27 < Bdragon> Mine went from 120 to 256 to 512 to 600 to 720.... 23:28 < silverblade> by automatic upgrades or? 23:28 < Bdragon> Well, you have to reboot to pick up the additional resources 23:28 < Bdragon> I've been two free resource upgrades behind at times :P 23:34 < arooni> http://www.phonemyphone.com/index.html takes 17 seconds to load 23:34 < arooni> i'm being told 'the network' might be slow 23:34 < arooni> what can i do to verify 23:38 < tasaro> the network is fine 23:38 < tasaro> try an mtr from your location to your linode 23:38 < tasaro> mtr --report phonemyphone.com 23:39 -!- cmantito [~gphreak@pool-71-188-82-138.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 23:39 < tasaro> arooni: http://pb.linode.com/755 23:39 -!- cmantito [~gphreak@pool-71-188-82-138.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net] has joined #linode 23:39 < arooni> tasaro, ah ok 23:40 < arooni> so why is it taking 17 seconds to send a static html page that apache should serve 23:40 < tasaro> well, that's from NJ to your Linode.. maybe somthing along your tubes? 23:40 < Bdragon> Because it's sitting on its thumbs for 16.8 seconds and then actually serving the request 23:40 < arooni> Bdragon, why is my linode so lazy 23:41 < Bdragon> Dunno, are you making an external rpc call to somewhere else that's timing out? 23:42 < Bdragon> btw, Or tell us what you think & get featured on the home page! <-- & needs to be & 23:43 < Bdragon> Just noticed that because vim highlights it in red looking at the html ;) 23:44 < Bdragon> I've seen odd stalls like that before... 23:44 < Bdragon> There was this drupal module that did a curl request to digg without a sane timeout set 23:44 < Bdragon> when digg's api endpoint went down for a while the site suddenly took 3 minutes to load... 23:45 -!- silverblade [~silverbla@80.175.108.189] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 23:45 < Bdragon> Are you doing any RPC calls of any sort from your code? 23:45 < Bdragon> xmlrpc, soap, that sort of thing? 23:46 < arooni> sorry was using restroom 23:47 < Bdragon> How large was your access log btw? I don't remember you ever saying... 23:47 < Bdragon> -> [21:37] du -h /var/log/apache2/phonemyphone_log 23:48 < Bdragon> 506 error? 23:48 < Bdragon> odd... 23:48 < Bdragon> Could be my proxy 23:48 < arooni> ok so now i rebooted 23:48 < arooni> and i cant ssh 23:48 < arooni> what should i do 23:48 < tasaro> !lish 23:49 < linbot> tasaro: "lish" could be allows you to perform certain actions without having to log into the LPM. Lish's primary function is to allow you access to your server's console, even if networking is disabled. http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Lish_Documentation 23:49 < Bdragon> Stop acting rash? 23:49 < jadoba> yawn... 23:49 < arooni> Your Linode isn't running, or another console session is already active. 23:50 < Bdragon> Uh, you sure it's come back up already? 23:50 < arooni> Your Linode is currently running 23:50 < arooni> thats what the dashboard says 23:50 < Bdragon> read from where? 23:50 < Hobbsee> cruxeternus: that's why you're not supposed to pick the shortest line, but to pick the fastest scanner. The "express" lines usually aren't good choices, either. 23:50 < Bdragon> and your last job? 23:50 < arooni> Bdragon, Linode Status box in dashboard 23:50 < Bdragon> arooni: and the last job in the job list in the dashboard? 23:51 < arooni> Bdragon, JobID: 526624 - System Boot - Production Profile 23:51 < Bdragon> I can't ping ya 23:51 < arooni> oh noes 23:51 < arooni> what should i do 23:51 < Bdragon> Wait a few to see if it comes back up? 23:52 < Bdragon> Could be fscking, etc 23:52 < tasaro> Kernel panic 23:52 * Bdragon rubbernecks 23:52 < Bdragon> what kind of kernel panic? :P 23:54 < Bdragon> What did you reboot it for? 23:54 < arooni> Bdragon, someone in #rubyonrails suggested it 23:55 < tasaro> arooni: should you be running 2.6.16.38-x86_64-linode2 ? 23:55 < arooni> tasaro, thats the kernel i'm running yes 23:55 < arooni> shouldn't lish show the current state of startup even its fsck 23:56 < arooni> tasaro, i was told to be running that kernel from caker 23:56 < tasaro> <0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Aiee, killing interrupt handler! 23:56 < Bdragon> yeah, tasaro says it crashed... 23:56 < arooni> tasaro, oh noes :( what to do? 23:56 < tasaro> iirc, caker just released that kernel today 23:56 < arooni> wtf is kernel panick 23:56 < arooni> tasaro, well i didnt pick that kernel 23:56 < Peng> Kernel panic? Xen, right? 23:56 < arooni> i changed it about a month ago 23:57 < arooni> tasaro, so if it updated;; you folks changed it not me ;p 23:57 < Bdragon> It means the domu went titsup ;) 23:57 < arooni> domu ? 23:57 < arooni> Peng, yes xen 23:58 < Bdragon> unprivileged domain 23:58 < Bdragon> What a wonderfully unhelpful error message @ <0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Aiee, killing interrupt handler! --- Log closed Wed May 07 23:59:00 2008