--- Day changed --- Log opened Sun May 18 23:59:01 2008 23:59 < irgeek> These are from the Internet. I just noticed it in some spam. 00:02 < Solver> spam is often not RFC compliant 00:03 < irgeek> But this is the header postfix adds. The RFC compliancy of the spam server shouldn't affect it--postfix should always add the MAIL TO address to it. 00:04 < Solver> I was thinking that something about the email may prevent postfix from constructing the header properly 00:04 < bob2> random sample of my spam shows them all to have it 00:05 < Peng> Wait... If I have different private keys on each machine, SSH agent forwarding does not help. 00:06 < irgeek> Peng: Correct. 00:06 < Peng> Darn. 00:06 < irgeek> You need to add the public key of the box you're forwarding from to all the hosts you want to connect to. 00:07 < Peng> What? 00:07 < irgeek> So if you work at Box1 and you want to get to Server1 and Server2, both servers should have the public key from Box1 in their authorized_keys file. 00:07 < bob2> note that agent forwarding allows root on any machine to connect to all the others as you 00:09 < irgeek> bob2: Only while you're connected and forwarding the agent I would think. 00:09 < Peng> Well, I'm root, and I trust me, so I guess that's okay. 00:11 < Peng> Hey, this is neat. 00:11 < mendel> IIRC Postfix only adds "for " if there's a single recipient 00:11 * Solver recommends against using an ssh-agent for root 00:12 < Solver> if someone sploits one of your boxes they can get the rest 00:12 < mendel> Yup, that's exactly it (postfix) 00:13 < bob2> ah, that's right 00:13 < Peng> I just sshed from my computer, to my Linode, to another server, and back to my Linode, with no passwords. SSH agents rock. :) 00:13 < Peng> OTOH, when none of my keys had passwords, I could do that too. :P 00:14 < Peng> Latency is starting to get bad though. :) 00:14 < Peng> I'm using ":)" a lot tonight. 00:15 < irgeek> mendel: You're right. I just dug through the source to figure that out. 00:16 -!- nyterage [~kirkvq@bas2-barrie18-1178020835.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [] 00:16 < irgeek> Peng: sshing from one session to another will quickly kill you latency. If, however, you want to quickly scp a file from one server to another, it's a god-send. 00:17 < Peng> :) 00:18 < irgeek> May 18 20:14:32 mt-elbert postfix/qmgr[1149]: 02618C20F: from=, size=888, nrcpt=1 (queue active) 00:18 < irgeek> OK, if nrcpt=1 why am I not getting my header? 00:18 < irgeek> Stupid postfix. 00:20 < mendel> irgeek: Well, that's qmgr seeing one recipient -- but smtpd adds the header. Dunno if it's relevant. 00:21 -!- Dustin [~Dustin@adsl-99-139-200-89.dsl.applwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:21 < irgeek> That's an interesting point. 00:21 < irgeek> Though I'm only getting one copy, so I'd expect to see a reject line somewhere. 00:22 < mendel> I miss administering incoming mail. I never thought I'd say that. O_o 00:22 -!- Dustin [~Dustin@adsl-75-7-249-49.dsl.applwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #linode 00:22 < mendel> (Somehow it's not the same for two users :) 00:22 -!- r3z [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #linode 00:23 < irgeek> I guess it's time to play around with Telnet and port 25. :) 00:23 < Peng> "kernel: line_ioctl: tty0: ioctl KDGKBTYPE called" <-- That sounds good.. 00:23 < mendel> irgeek: time to crank up the debug_peer_level! 00:24 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:32 * Peng wanders off. 00:33 < irgeek> Hmm. Sending an email with one good and one bad recipient doesn't cause the same behavior. 00:37 < irgeek> Graylisting, though very effective, has produced a new problem: Servers sending spam now retry multiple times after a 5xx rejection. I guess their designers are too stupid to realize that's different to a 4xx rejection. 00:44 < mendel> irgeek: No, they're smart enough to not care. It's not like it's *their* resources they're wasting! 00:47 < warewolf> oh ouch. 00:47 < warewolf> that's not good. 00:48 -!- D[a]rkbeholder [darkbehold@26.144.240.220.dynamic.dsl.comindico.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:49 -!- row [row@87-194-37-143.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:51 -!- darkbeholder [darkbehold@26.144.240.220.dynamic.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #linode 00:53 -!- row [row@87-194-37-143.bethere.co.uk] has joined #linode 01:02 -!- StevenK [~stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:02 < Solver> in my experience greylisting is now most effective in combination with an rbl 01:03 < Solver> spammers are well acquainted with how to get around greylisting on its own 01:14 < webPragmatist> any of you guys running a linux exchange server? 01:14 < webPragmatist> like open xchange or zimbra 01:16 < Solver> not me :) 01:18 < bob2> what's "exchange" about it? mapi support? 01:20 < encode> webPragmatist: i tried running zimbra. gave up in disgust 01:20 < encode> unless you pay the massive fee for the non-free edition, don't bother 01:20 < encode> you will have no effective way of backing up your mail 01:20 < webPragmatist> ah hrm 01:20 < encode> also, in my experience, if you try and upgrade to a later version, everything breaks 01:20 < webPragmatist> did you try anything else? 01:21 < Solver> encode: ouch. that's a big catch 01:21 < Solver> (re backup) 01:22 < webPragmatist> like maybe open xchange 01:23 < encode> Solver: yeah. basically the only way for the OSS edition is to stop zimbra completely, then rsync / tar the whole /opt/zimbra folder, than start zimbra 01:23 < encode> and it doesn't even work properly then 01:24 < encode> its unfortunate, because the webmail itnerface is so nice 01:24 < Solver> encode: ouch. when I hear things like that I wonder if the designers have ever actually run a system in the real world :) 01:24 < Solver> I support an lvm snapshot could be done 01:24 < bob2> it doesn't use maildir? 01:24 < encode> Solver: they clearly want people to fork out for the non-free edition 01:25 < Solver> encode: yeah :( 01:25 < encode> bob2: its not just the mail you need to worry about. information stored in mysql and openldap needs to be concurrent with maildir 01:25 < encode> webPragmatist: nope, never tried anything else 01:25 < encode> went back to postfix with clamav and virtual users 01:26 < webPragmatist> http://wiki.open-xchange.com/wiki/index.php?title=Open_Xchange_Installation 01:26 < encode> with maildrop for server side mail rules 01:26 < webPragmatist> has a pretty hefty config 01:26 < webPragmatist> (not to say that anything mail related tends to be a tedious process) 01:27 < encode> the other thing i didn't like about zimbra was that it uses java, so inefficient 01:28 < webPragmatist> yea that's what has me kind of scared from open xchange 01:29 < webPragmatist> i think i may give it a shot just to see if i can do it :) 01:29 < webPragmatist> but i think i will play with another linode partition :) 01:30 < irgeek> Anyone who _wants_ to use Outlook (and that's the only client that's the only client truly supported by Exchange ergo the only reason to look at anything that's even pretending to be Exchange) needs to have their head examined. ;) 01:30 < webPragmatist> irgeek: I don't want to but it's the only damn way to get pushmail on my phone 01:31 < irgeek> Entourage isn't even supported properly by Exchange. 01:31 < webPragmatist> i'd be happy with imap 01:31 < irgeek> Wait, what phone? 01:31 < irgeek> Is it a Crackberry? 01:32 < webPragmatist> no 01:32 < webPragmatist> it's a windows mobile phone... 01:33 < bob2> it can't do imap idle? 01:33 < irgeek> Does it really support push? As far as I knew, only Crackberries and iPhones support true push email. 01:33 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@194.213.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:33 < webPragmatist> bob2: not with the default mail client... and i have my reasons for using that instead of say... flexmail 01:33 < Peng> (Mailinator seems to use Java pretty successfully..) 01:34 < webPragmatist> again though... it's more of having the knowledge to do so :) 01:34 < irgeek> Push email needs to be part of your service contract, because your service provider has to play ball. 01:34 < RiverRat> I have a question for the billing dept, if I want to test something and allocate another linode on my account, test the hell out of something for 3 days and then unallocate it do I really only get charged for 3 days? 01:35 < RiverRat> And is that not a hassle for you? 01:35 < irgeek> RiverRat: You'll get charged for the prorated month, and get a refund to your Linode account for any remaining part of the pro-rated month after you delete the Linode. 01:36 < bob2> dunno about the first bit but new linodes require manual admin intervention 01:36 < webPragmatist> RiverRat: I think it will be prorated 01:36 < irgeek> Of course, what I said requires that you have and account already. 01:36 < RiverRat> That would be great. :) 01:36 < RiverRat> I already have a linode. I'm considering allocating another for a few days to test. 01:37 < RiverRat> Thanks for the info. 01:37 < irgeek> Read the "Instance-Day Billing" section here: http://blog.linode.com/2008/05/15/new-linode-manager-released/ 01:38 < irgeek> bob2: I think only new accounts require manual intervention now. 01:38 < webPragmatist> irgeek: the main thing i am trying to solve is the "sent items" are being kept on the device instead of sent to the server.... good point though on the push mail 01:41 < irgeek> Ah. There's a simple solution to that if your mail client supports it. I did this for a company who didn't want to pony up the money for a Crackberry server. Set the mail app on your phone to BCC yourself on all outgoing mail. Then set up a script so that mail which is from your own email address goes to your sent mail folder. 01:41 < irgeek> Alternatively, get a new phone that understands IMAP and tell it where to stick sent mail. 01:41 < linbot> New news from forums: simulate in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum 01:42 * irgeek hugs his iPhone 01:42 < bob2> eh, how does your provider come into it - isn't all this just over IP/ 01:44 < irgeek> bob2: Not for push email. Push email means that as soon as a message comes into your mailbox, it's forwarded directly to your phone. Without push email, your phone has to wake up and poll every so often to see if there is any mail to receive. 01:44 < RiverRat> Thanks for the link irgeek , also, that email solution, don't you get screwed when you email a mailing list that you are on? Doesn't you email to the list get sent to the sent mail folder too? 01:44 < bob2> irgeek: right, but imap idle does the same thing over imap 01:44 < RiverRat> your* 01:45 < irgeek> RiverRat: That could be worked around quite easily. 01:45 < RiverRat> How so? (I'm facing the issue now) 01:45 < irgeek> In the script that move them to the sent folder, just ignore email that comes from the list. 01:46 < irgeek> Or the script could check headers to see if it came from your phone providers network. 01:46 < RiverRat> Hrm, well it looks like it is coming from me. I'm using ezmlm + qmail + qmail-lots-of-toys 01:46 < irgeek> Or maybe the phone adds a specific header when it sends emails and you could use that. 01:47 < irgeek> What looks like it's coming from you? 01:47 < linbot> New news from forums: LAMP tuned up in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum 01:47 < RiverRat> I'm using evolution and finding it hard to craft such a rule. Even when matching certain parts of the headers. 01:47 < Solver> procmail forever! :) 01:47 < RiverRat> If I email a list I receive a message that says it is from me and CCed to the list. 01:48 < irgeek> So ignore emails CCed to the list. 01:48 < irgeek> If from me and not CCed to the_list move to sent_folder 01:49 < RiverRat> Yeah, that's what I have now. Problem being is that all lists require an exception rule. 01:49 < RiverRat> I was hoping for something more automatic. 01:50 < irgeek> If you want automatic buy a phone with a proper IMAP mail client and have it do the work for you. 01:50 < irgeek> Automatic != cheap 01:50 < irgeek> Alternately, you could create an alias that you use for mailing lists and ignore anything to that address. 01:51 < irgeek> Er, from that address. 01:52 < RiverRat> True enough. I'm actually not using a phone in this mess. Just standard email. Thanks for the tips though. 01:53 < irgeek> What email client are you using that you don't have proper IMAP support? 01:56 < RiverRat> evolution and I think it correctly supports imap although this is the first time I've used it. 01:57 < irgeek> I'm pretty sure evolution supports IMAP well. What is the problem you're having, because I'm really failing to see how this relates to the other discussion we were having. 01:57 < irgeek> I'm not trying to be rude, I just don't understand the problem so it's hard to help. 02:09 -!- minerale [35181@acmex.gatech.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:15 -!- Deckert_ [~Deckert@dsl-240-147-158.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #linode 02:15 -!- Deckert [~Deckert@dsl-240-147-158.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:17 -!- ungido [~ungido@200.88.176.19] has joined #linode 02:18 -!- Deckert_ [~Deckert@dsl-240-147-158.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:18 -!- Deckert_za [~Deckert@dsl-240-147-158.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #linode 02:19 < RiverRat> irgeek: Well you were saying moving email to the sent folder if it was sent to you. I was simply trying to point out a scenario where that wouldn't work (or a more complex rule would be needed). 02:19 < RiverRat> Sorry, bouncing around. Highlight me if needed. 02:21 < irgeek> There are many scenarios that would require a more complex rule. But if you're working with a system with limited capabilities you either have to find a work around or get a new system. Workarounds are usually cheaper. 02:37 -!- azaghal [~azaghal@91.148.112.224] has joined #linode 02:42 -!- jm [~fake@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #linode 02:45 -!- ungido_ [~ungido@200.88.176.19] has joined #linode 02:49 -!- ungido [~ungido@200.88.176.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:50 -!- jm [~fake@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:58 -!- StevenK [~stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #linode 03:06 < XeF4> w 03:06 < XeF4> erk 03:20 -!- r3z` [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #linode 03:20 -!- r3z [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:25 -!- r3z`` [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #linode 03:25 -!- r3z` [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:26 -!- xitology [~xi@78.31.182.24] has joined #linode 03:29 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@161.121.142.82.ip.b26.cz] has joined #linode 03:33 -!- ungido__ [~ungido@200.88.176.19] has joined #linode 03:36 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-230-31.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #linode 03:37 -!- ungido_ [~ungido@200.88.176.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:37 < irgeek> w 03:37 < irgeek> erd 03:43 < jadoba> ls 03:43 < irgeek> Success! One, one complex regular expression matches, ah, ah, ah! 03:44 < irgeek> Two, two complex regular expression matches, ah, ah, ah! 03:44 < irgeek> But the rest are going to suck! 03:50 -!- faded [~40b7ab86@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 03:51 < faded> call me clueless or just lazy but what name servers should i point my domain to, to use the dns service linode offers? 03:51 < bob2> ns{1,2}.linode.com 03:51 < irgeek> [ns1|ns2].linode.com 03:51 < faded> thank you. 03:51 < bob2> if you want to avoid disruption, set it up at linode first 03:51 < bob2> then wait 03:52 < irgeek> 15 minutes 03:56 -!- ungido_ [~ungido@200.88.176.19] has joined #linode 03:56 < faded> yeah the linode is already setup 03:57 -!- arooni [~arooni@c-24-19-234-159.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:57 < irgeek> He meant set up your DNS at Linode first and wait for the changes to make it to Linode's servers, then change DNS with your registrar. 04:00 -!- ungido__ [~ungido@200.88.176.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:01 -!- arooni [~arooni@c-67-168-26-198.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #linode 04:01 < faded> gotcha 04:01 -!- ungido__ [~ungido@200.88.176.19] has joined #linode 04:05 -!- ungido_ [~ungido@200.88.176.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:05 < irgeek> Heh. The IP address 222.252.81.56 reverses to localhost. 04:06 < irgeek> Silly spammers 04:13 -!- arooni [~arooni@c-67-168-26-198.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:14 -!- ungido_ [~ungido@200.88.176.19] has joined #linode 04:18 -!- ungido__ [~ungido@200.88.176.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:19 -!- cramer_as8758 [~cramer_as@fiji.dolphins.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:22 -!- Deetz [~pdi@mail.forcefive.de] has joined #linode 04:25 -!- TehDan [~dan@zoidberg.area-52.org.uk] has quit [Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it.] 04:26 < faded> another stupid question. does linode have a disk image with a c compiler etc... or so i need to download and do everything myself? 04:26 -!- maggot [~8d2c0e12@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 04:26 < maggot> hello 04:27 < maggot> i need admin support please 04:27 < maggot> i have serious problem 04:27 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@161.121.142.82.ip.b26.cz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:27 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@161.121.142.82.ip.b26.cz] has joined #linode 04:27 < bob2> faded: depends on the os you install 04:27 < faded> slack 12 04:27 < faded> i figured it would have came with something.. 04:27 < bob2> people still use slackware??? 04:28 < faded> yeah i do hah 04:28 < maggot> any admin there 04:28 < bob2> well, use pkg_add or whatever 04:28 -!- arooni [~arooni@c-24-19-234-159.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #linode 04:28 < bob2> maggot: what did you do? 04:28 < maggot> yes 04:28 < bob2> maggot: and you're better off raising a ticket 04:28 < maggot> all my domains in my linode are showing the same web pages 04:29 < bob2> that doesn't sound like linode's problem 04:29 < maggot> do i have to set all of them as master in my dns manager 04:29 < faded> what distro comes with them installed already? 04:29 < bob2> dns manager is unrelated, assuming you have A records pointing them at your linode 04:30 < maggot> they all point to my IP 04:30 < bob2> faded: probably none, but it's trivial on most of them to install them - e.g. 'sudo aptitude install build-essential' on debian or ubuntu 04:30 -!- path- [~path@cork.dtcc.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:30 -!- path- [~path@cork.dtcc.edu] has joined #linode 04:30 < maggot> can it be apache problem 04:31 < maggot> i have checked my configuattion 04:31 < bob2> you've not configured apache to do name based virtual hostign for those domains 04:31 < maggot> oh i see 04:31 < maggot> how 04:31 < maggot> please can u help me 04:31 < bob2> you read the apache documentation for your os, and do it 04:32 < maggot> i have reda it many times 04:32 < maggot> still same problem 04:32 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-230-31.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 04:32 < bob2> clearly not 04:32 < bob2> show us the url of one of the relevant docs you read, and the parts you didn't understand or didn't work 04:32 < maggot> why are you sounding like this 04:32 < bob2> you haven't even mentioned what os you use! 04:32 < maggot> very poor 04:33 < maggot> that is not how to treat a client 04:33 < bob2> I don't work for linode! 04:33 < maggot> ok 04:33 < maggot> i need admin 04:33 < maggot> or support 04:34 < bob2> I'm pretty sure everyoen told you two weeks ago that linode doesn't provide support for software in your linode 04:34 < bob2> http://practicalkungfu.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2 04:34 < maggot> shit 04:34 < bob2> iirc you were using centos 04:34 < maggot> not even advice 04:34 < bob2> hey, I'm not linode 04:34 < maggot> ok 04:35 * encode pretends to be linode 04:35 < maggot> where are the supports 04:35 < bob2> have you read the link I posted? 04:36 < maggot> i,m raeding now 04:36 < maggot> but i use ubuntu 04:36 -!- path- [~path@cork.dtcc.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:37 -!- path- [~path@cork.dtcc.edu] has joined #linode 04:37 < bob2> http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/01/09/setting-up-name-based-virtual-hosting/ then 04:37 < maggot> ok 04:37 < maggot> thanks 04:37 < maggot> great 04:38 < encode> maggot: seriously, use google. if you have a specific question or a specific problem, most people here would be happy to help you out 04:38 < maggot> ok 04:38 < maggot> thanks 04:38 < bob2> we went through all this like a week ago 04:38 < encode> bob2: oh. guess I wasn't paying attention back then 04:39 < maggot> ok 04:39 < maggot> i will try them out 04:39 < maggot> thanks for the help 04:40 < bob2> the ubuntu one, not hte centos one 04:40 < maggot> yes 04:40 < maggot> i know 04:41 -!- cramer_as8758 [~cramer_as@fiji.dolphins.ch] has joined #linode 04:46 -!- maggot [~8d2c0e12@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:52 < linbot> New news from forums: DNS manager and aliases in cname records in Feature Request/Bug Report 04:56 -!- path- [~path@cork.dtcc.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:59 -!- azaghal_ [~azaghal@91.148.112.224] has joined #linode 04:59 -!- azaghal_ [~azaghal@91.148.112.224] has quit [] 04:59 -!- path- [~path@cork.dtcc.edu] has joined #linode 05:13 -!- ungido_ [~ungido@200.88.176.19] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:17 -!- arooni [~arooni@c-24-19-234-159.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:25 -!- shakr [~shakr@whirl.gellin.dyndns.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:31 -!- scorche` [~scorche@cpe-76-169-210-85.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 05:32 * irgeek is glad he was busy coding when maggot decided to pay us a visit 05:36 -!- scorche [Blah@cpe-76-169-210-85.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:38 -!- flemnos [~jason@180.153.145.122.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has joined #linode 06:03 -!- shakr [~shakr@whirl.gellin.dyndns.org] has joined #linode 06:04 -!- Solver [~robert@rbrockway.tor.istop.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:11 -!- meff [~meff@mirror.looking-glass.spherevision.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:12 -!- meff [~meff@mirror.looking-glass.spherevision.org] has joined #linode 06:30 -!- meff [~meff@mirror.looking-glass.spherevision.org] has quit [Quit: recollecting wish me luck] 06:39 -!- praetorian [~praetoria@124-171-47-27.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:39 -!- praetorian [~praetoria@124-168-177-88.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #linode 06:47 -!- theseus [~tbbooher@pool-71-191-225-193.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 06:48 < INternat> damm host key changes!!@!!! stupid backup script failed for the last 3 days cause it was getting the warnings 07:01 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 07:15 < Deetz> oops 07:20 < INternat> yeah.. my bad 07:20 < INternat> not like it was the database backup or anything :/ 07:20 -!- rsl [~rsl@c-24-98-104-133.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linode 07:23 -!- sveiss [~sveiss@2001:470:1f09:2a4:21b:63ff:fe1b:abd3] has joined #linode 07:24 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:46 < caker> Here I come baby .. coming to getcha! 07:46 < caker> [foxy] 07:48 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@161.121.142.82.ip.b26.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:48 < tasaro> 07:48 < encode> huh? 07:54 -!- Isvara [~Isvara@remember.this.name] has joined #linode 07:55 < Hobbsee> blah. we got maggoted earlier. 07:55 < Hobbsee> i was expecting that last night 07:56 < Peng> Nice mental image there. 07:57 * Peng goes to bed. 07:57 * HoopyCat wakes up 07:57 < HoopyCat> the sun never sleeps on the HoopyCat/Peng empire 07:57 < HoopyCat> or sets, or whatever the sun doesn't do 07:57 -!- Deetz [~pdi@mail.forcefive.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:58 < Peng> It's a quiet morning, so I should be good. :) 07:58 < Peng> And then he hears a loud truck... 07:59 < HoopyCat> 07:59 < Peng> Anyway, g'night. :) 08:00 < HoopyCat> g'nite :-) 08:02 -!- TheZach [LinodeJava@adsl-69-208-84-191.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: TheZach] 08:03 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has joined #linode 08:03 -!- flemnos [~jason@180.153.145.122.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:04 -!- Deetz [~pdi@mail.forcefive.de] has joined #linode 08:06 -!- nityananda [~51f6c9f4@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 08:07 < nityananda> Hello, does somebody knows about some Drupal site hosted on Linode? 08:09 < Hobbsee> !8ball help 08:09 < linbot> Hobbsee: You're kidding, right? 08:09 < Hobbsee> !8ball about some Drupal site hosted on Linode 08:09 < linbot> Hobbsee: It is so. 08:09 < Hobbsee> there you go, then. 08:10 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@161.121.142.82.ip.b26.cz] has joined #linode 08:17 -!- linbot [~supybot@ns.theshore.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:20 -!- linbot [~supybot@ns.theshore.net] has joined #linode 08:20 -!- r3z`` [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:20 -!- r3z [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #linode 08:22 < irgeek> nityananda: Questions that get to the point of what you want to know are far more successful than "does somebody knows about X" 08:23 < INternat> god i hate behing away from home.. damm sydney 08:23 < encode> whats wrong with sydney? 08:23 < StevenK> You're away from home in Sydney? 08:23 < StevenK> I'm away from home (which is Sydney), in Prague. 08:24 < encode> thats a long commute 08:25 < StevenK> Oh yes 08:25 -!- r3z [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:25 -!- r3z [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #linode 08:26 < INternat> yeah im a brisbanite 08:26 < INternat> down here for solaris swys admin course 08:27 < bob2> oh it just gets rougher 08:27 < tasaro> nityananda: http://awebfactory.com.ar/node/275 08:27 < INternat> bob: are you refering to the solaris training? 08:28 < encode> tasaro: thats a cool blog post 08:29 < encode> great for a beginner 08:32 < irgeek> Uh, I don't know is I agree with great. 08:33 < irgeek> Especially the part where /bin/sh gets changed. 08:33 < irgeek> That could easily lead to unexpected consequences down-the-line. 08:33 < encode> i guess i didn't read it that much 08:33 < encode> s/much/closely/ 08:34 < encode> hmm, installing sendmail, also not so great 08:34 < irgeek> And /etc/hostname shouldn't have the FQDN in it. 08:36 < irgeek> And using ZoneEdit *cringe* instead of Linode's DNS. 08:49 < INternat> lol 08:49 < mikegrb> lolz 08:56 -!- rsl [~rsl@c-24-98-104-133.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: 4 8 15 16 23 42] 09:10 < HoopyCat> her teapot screams "i'm ready now" / she dreams of asia at odd hours 09:13 < Hobbsee> !avail-all 09:13 < linbot> Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0 , Dallas360 - 34, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 1, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0 09:13 < HoopyCat> dang, 34 to go in 30 minutes :-) 09:14 < Hobbsee> heh 09:14 < Hobbsee> caker: a friend of mine wants a fremont one. any going? 09:14 < caker> Yes. New boxes arriving in Fremont late this week 09:15 < Hobbsee> woot! 09:15 < avongauss> 34? There's one hiding in Atlanta too... 09:23 -!- TJF [~TJF_GN@pat.foulston.com] has joined #linode 09:28 < Isvara> Is there a suitable hostname at each location I can ping to compare? 09:29 < HoopyCat> !download 09:29 < linbot> http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636 09:29 < Isvara> Cool, that'll do. 09:29 < HoopyCat> np :-) 09:30 -!- faded [~40b7ab86@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:32 < Isvara> Dallas is 113ms RTT from me*, which is fairly impressive given that the Atlantic hop is about 80ms, I think. 09:34 -!- r3z` [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #linode 09:34 < HoopyCat> the internet in this country is actually darned good, despite what the home proletariat says 09:35 < purrdeta> yay dallas. 09:35 < purrdeta> seeing as I am in dallas the RTT for me is only 25ish ms :P 09:35 -!- jm [~fake@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #linode 09:35 < HoopyCat> dallas is 70ms from me, 10ms of which is between "here" and "cable co headend" 09:38 < HoopyCat> (the headend is, in all fairness, about a mile away) 09:38 < HoopyCat> atlanta is 50ms :-) 09:41 -!- straterra [~straterra@li27-141.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 09:41 -!- straterra [~straterra@projectstfu.com] has joined #linode 09:41 -!- r3z [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:46 < azaghal> 180ms in average to Dallas from here (Serbia) ;) 09:46 < purrdeta> nice 09:49 < azaghal> Well, given that my ISP sucks, that lines in Serbia generally suck, and that it's on a different continent, I guess you may call it nice :) 09:50 < chesty> 180ms from australian to fremont 09:50 < purrdeta> well it could be much much worse lol 09:50 < mikegrb> lolz 09:50 < chesty> -n 09:53 < Hobbsee> chesty: i routinely get 167. where in sydney are you? 09:54 -!- Deetz [~pdi@mail.forcefive.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:54 < chesty> iinet southwest 09:54 -!- Deetz [~pdi@mail.forcefive.de] has joined #linode 09:55 < chesty> Hobbsee: do you go through 203.208.192.241? 09:57 < chesty> 19ms to the hop before, then 180ms to 203.208.192.241 09:59 < Hobbsee> chesty: nope 09:59 -!- Deet1 [~pdi@mail.forcefive.de] has joined #linode 10:01 < chesty> seems to be a singapore owned address 10:02 -!- Deetz [~pdi@mail.forcefive.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:04 < Bdragon> heh 10:04 < Bdragon> Reply from 70.85.129.215: bytes=32 time=920ms TTL=50 10:04 < Bdragon> Reply from 70.85.129.215: bytes=32 time=840ms TTL=50 10:04 < Bdragon> Reply from 70.85.129.215: bytes=32 time=763ms TTL=50 10:04 < Bdragon> Reply from 70.85.129.215: bytes=32 time=991ms TTL=50 10:04 < Bdragon> And this is a VERY GOOD day :D 10:05 < path-> where are you? 10:05 < Bdragon> rural south dakota. Satellite connection 10:05 < path-> ha 10:06 < Bdragon> So I couldn't care less the difference between datacenters, it's such a minor consideration in the overall latency :P 10:07 < mwalling> haha 10:07 < mwalling> shitnet 10:08 < StevenK> Bdragon: Two-way, or one-way? 10:08 < mwalling> 2 way 10:08 * mwalling had the same service 10:08 * Hobbsee scratches her head. 10:08 < mwalling> then i moved to this place called civilization 10:09 < mikegrb> new jersey 10:09 < mikegrb> ? 10:09 < Hobbsee> err....i'll go find the dunce cap in a sec, but how do you have *one way* satellite connection? 10:09 < StevenK> I've seen one-way with that latency too 10:09 < bob2> zing 10:09 < mikegrb> Hobbsee: modem for the uplink 10:09 < mwalling> Hobbsee: sat downlink, phone uplink 10:09 < Bdragon> it's two way 10:09 < StevenK> Hobbsee: Downstream, with a tunnel 10:09 < bob2> Hobbsee: modem uplink 10:09 < Bdragon> Dial return it's called 10:09 < Hobbsee> ahhhhh.....hadn't thought of the modem. 10:09 < Bdragon> (the one way is) 10:09 < bob2> Hobbsee: so the latency is lower but the bandwidth is even worse 10:09 < Bdragon> You can't get it anymore 10:09 < Hobbsee> bob2: yeah. 10:09 < Bdragon> and they're phasing it out 10:09 < mwalling> mikegrb: no, schenectady 10:09 < bob2> "rural" parts of canberra used it 10:10 < Hobbsee> ouch. 10:10 < bob2> i.e. those telstra had not bothered to setup dslams for 10:10 < StevenK> The company I last worked for was big on satellite, and I'm so over it. 10:10 < Bdragon> Anyway, works pretty good if you don't mind the latency 10:10 < Bdragon> sub second latency is pretty unusual tbg 10:10 < Bdragon> *tbh 10:10 < Bdragon> I'm used to 1.2 - 2 seconds 10:10 < Bdragon> so it's pretty good conditions atm 10:10 < StevenK> Try CDMA, 2.5 seconds minimum 10:10 < path-> there are some people at work that can't get cable modem or dsl.. they all have data plans on their cell phones 10:10 < mwalling> Bdragon: yeah, and you dont mind CSR's who dont have a cue card for PTR records 10:11 < path-> one guy has some firewall/access point with a pcmcia slot in it 10:11 < Bdragon> The PTRs are frigging annoying 10:11 < path-> kinda cool 10:11 < Bdragon> I finally worked around the DNS idiocy with openvpn 10:11 < mwalling> Bdragon: mine was SERVFAIL 10:11 < Bdragon> (the recursive dns idiocy that is) 10:12 < Bdragon> (It was easier than rewiring caches to run on an alternate port) 10:16 < Bdragon> My ptr actually exists 10:17 < Bdragon> Then again, I pay an extra $10 for static 10:17 < Bdragon> by exists of course I mean "set to something quite long and stupid, with no way to change it..." 10:20 < HoopyCat> one of my friends moved into a house up by the lake; easily the worst vzw signal in the entire city[1]. the week when he was stuck with the vzw data card while in queue for a cable modem was... frustrating and dangerous. (climb ladder, hoist laptop over head, click link...) 10:21 < HoopyCat> [1] my wife's cellphone accidentally fell out of her pocket into the couch. no signal. phone didn't turn up until it started alarming at 5:30am monday... 10:22 < tjfontaine> doesn't sound like a city at all then :) 10:22 < path-> yea, i get great signal in my couch 10:23 < HoopyCat> tjfontaine: it gets a little geologic and floracated up near the lake. 10:23 < HoopyCat> http://tinyurl.com/5kaqay 10:23 -!- dvgrhl`mobile [~jonr@c-24-16-172-54.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 10:24 < HoopyCat> he lives on a street just SSE of there 10:26 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-230-31.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #linode 10:27 -!- Deet1 [~pdi@mail.forcefive.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:35 -!- Aero187 [~4312d0e7@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 10:39 -!- lakin [~lakin@S01060013101832cd.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #linode 10:42 < nityananda> irgeek: I mean I want to know if there is some live Drupal website on Linode, which has lot visitors? 10:44 < SpaceHobo> drupal cannot handle a lot of visitors 10:44 < SpaceHobo> not without a massive squid in front 10:44 < SpaceHobo> PHP is simply inefficient 10:44 < SpaceHobo> and drupal is not written for high performance 10:45 -!- Aero187 [~4312d0e7@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Quit: quit] 10:45 < JasonF> drupal is painful 10:46 < JasonF> php isn't "simply inefficient" 10:46 < JasonF> DRUPAL is simply inefficient 10:46 * JasonF works for a company that uses php for everything 10:46 < schmichael> yikes 10:46 < JasonF> there's good php and bad php 10:46 < JasonF> just like there's good $lang and bad $lang 10:47 < tjfontaine> nityananda: define a lot of visitors 10:47 < schmichael> well, php the language is complete crap. php the platform has some compelling points to it 10:47 < SpaceHobo> JasonF: The trouble with PHP is that you can't use worker 10:47 < tjfontaine> people wil enough motivation will have no problem making drupal work for them on a linode with lots of visitors 10:47 < JasonF> SpaceHobo: what is worker? 10:48 < tjfontaine> mpm-worker 10:48 < JasonF> aah. 10:48 < JasonF> you can with fastcgi 10:48 < SpaceHobo> hahahaha fastcgi! 10:48 < SpaceHobo> honestly 10:48 < schmichael> honestly 10:48 < SpaceHobo> Yes. 10:48 < tjfontaine> nityananda: i'm running multiple drupal sites with lighttpd and a separate node to run postgres 10:48 < SpaceHobo> it's not even close. 10:48 < tjfontaine> nityananda: it's acceptable. 10:49 < JasonF> WE don't use fastcgi, but I've seen it done before. 10:49 < SpaceHobo> your best bet is still to throw a squid in front 10:49 < SpaceHobo> to avoid all the pointless dynamicism that PHP straightjackets you into 10:49 < tjfontaine> or use memcached 10:49 < HoopyCat> did someone say memcached? *pulls out tracts* 10:49 < JasonF> You should use APC or xcache 10:49 < SpaceHobo> yeah, memcached is a bear, but it will give you the caching 10:49 < JasonF> that'll help a lot. 10:49 < JasonF> plus it's pretty much free to setup 10:50 < SpaceHobo> very slick system 10:50 < JasonF> we use PHP+APC here with some memcache loving and have no problems 10:50 < JasonF> of course, I have a huge cluster of webservers here :) 10:50 < tjfontaine> nityananda: in short, you can scale your linode to work just fine. 10:56 -!- Majes [majes@vs3.brokensphere.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:57 -!- Nat_RH [clownfish@got.my.freebsdbox.org] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 10:57 -!- Nat_RH [clownfish@got.my.freebsdbox.org] has joined #linode 11:11 -!- HoopyCat [~rtucker@bluemoon.ipv6.hoopycat.com] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 11:11 -!- HoopyCat [~rtucker@rtucker-pt.tunnel.tserv8.dal1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #linode 11:12 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-230-31.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:18 -!- imMute [~imMute@216.106.229.173] has joined #linode 11:21 -!- imMute [~imMute@216.106.229.173] has quit [] 11:21 < cruxeternus> Any idea which debian package creates /etc/network/interfaces? 11:24 < cruxeternus> Ah, I believe the culprit is ifupdown 11:27 < iggy> packages.debian.org doesn't seem to know 11:30 < bob2> it's not included in a package 11:33 < cruxeternus> Yeah, I believe ifupdown creates it during configure. 11:33 < cruxeternus> I'm remastering now, to see if that's the case. 11:34 < bob2> you can read /var/lib/dpkg/info/ifupdown.{pre,post}inst 11:35 < cruxeternus> bob2: Ah! thanks 11:35 < mwalling> !calc 1 liter in gallons 11:35 < linbot> mwalling: 1 liter = 0.264172052 US gallons 11:35 < mwalling> !calc 1 eur in usd 11:35 < linbot> mwalling: 1 Euro = 1.5568 U.S. dollars 11:36 < SpaceHobo> !calc 1 gbp in usd 11:36 < linbot> SpaceHobo: 1 British pound = 1.9517 U.S. dollars 11:36 < SpaceHobo> rock on 11:38 < CaptObviousman> boy linbot is useful 11:38 < CaptObviousman> hmm, let's see 11:38 < mwalling> !rr 11:38 < linbot> mwalling: *click* 11:39 < CaptObviousman> !calc 1 cakerhour in realtime 11:39 < linbot> CaptObviousman: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. 11:39 < CaptObviousman> ok, maybe not THAT smart 11:41 < SpaceHobo> !calc number of horns on a unicorn over answer to life the universe and everything acres in cups per smoot 11:41 < linbot> SpaceHobo: number of horns on a unicorn over (answer to life the universe and everything acres) = 1,222,594,560 US cups per smoot 11:42 < StevenK> Blink 11:42 < cruxeternus> You win. 11:43 -!- meff [~meff@mirror.looking-glass.spherevision.org] has joined #linode 11:45 < CaptObviousman> what. the. hell. 11:46 < CaptObviousman> what is a smoot exactly? and how do you get a measure of area to translate into volume 11:46 < SpaceHobo> CaptObviousman: smoot is the height of someone at MIT in the 50s, and his body was used to measure a bridge 11:46 < StevenK> Area is 2D, Volume just adds a 3rd dimension 11:46 < mwalling> !google smoot 11:46 < linbot> mwalling: Search took 0.30 seconds: Smoot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Smoot -Hawley Tariff Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; L.E. Smoot Memorial Library Home Page: ; The SMOOT as unit of Length: ; Smoot Web-based Ajax (2 more messages) 11:47 < SpaceHobo> CaptObviousman: so like that bridge was confirmed as "56 smoots and an ear" or something 11:47 < SpaceHobo> allegedly the bridge still has the smoot marks on it, and they get repainted regularly 11:47 < CaptObviousman> StevenK: good point. Gahhh that's so ridiculously nerdy I can barely stand it 11:53 < HoopyCat> we prefer "geeky" 11:53 < HoopyCat> ;-P 11:54 < djweezy> wow 11:58 < HoopyCat> off to buy books and fishing licenses, bbl 12:02 < nityananda> tjfontaine: How many visitors do you have at time? 12:02 < nityananda> tjfontaine: What Linode do you use? 12:03 < nityananda> tjfontaine: Will Linode 360 be enough for Drupal site with 100 users at the time? 12:03 -!- Clorith [~marius@234.81-167-84.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:03 < SpaceHobo> er, you want 100 requests per second? or what? 12:03 -!- Clorith [~marius@234.81-167-84.customer.lyse.net] has joined #linode 12:04 < caker> !calc number of seconds in a month * 100 12:04 < linbot> caker: (1 month) * 100 = 262,974,383 seconds 12:04 < caker> 1/4 billion hits a month .. not bad! 12:05 < nityananda> no, that aproximately 100 users will use website at same time (15 minutes) 12:05 < nityananda> they will not change pages every second :) i hope 12:06 < tjfontaine> how dynamic is the site? 12:06 < tjfontaine> i.e. how often does the data change 12:07 < CaptObviousman> every microsecond 12:07 < CaptObviousman> it's quite a PITA to keep up with it 12:07 < iggy> my gut feeling is that wouldn't be enough 12:08 < tjfontaine> with enough care and tweaking you can probably get away with it, but I would actually spring for a second node to do the db at the least 12:08 < SpaceHobo> caker: heh, I run sites that do better than that 12:08 < nityananda> it is dynamic, mostly it changes when somebody comments, or post picture or video 12:08 < tjfontaine> especially if you were planning on using mysql 12:09 < nityananda> i am planning to use drupal with mysql, and APC cache for php 12:14 < tjfontaine> I would start with a 360 if you want, you can always upgrade, or add additional nodes 12:14 < tjfontaine> I personally use 2 nodes, a 540 for most tasks and a 360 for database and other more trivial activities 12:15 < nityananda> tjfontaine: so, you have 540 for web server and 360 for mysql? 12:15 < tjfontaine> I use postgresql, but yes same concept 12:15 < nityananda> ok 12:16 < nityananda> i'll try linode 360 and if will not be enough i will get one for database 12:17 < StevenK> To my mind, database != trivial :-) 12:18 < zeroday> hi guys, I have quick question, I made an account with rsync.net, I followed their instructions for making the passwordless login but: 12:18 < tjfontaine> StevenK: no, but my node does other trivial tasks when compared to it's main task of database serving 12:18 < zeroday> this is what the file looks like "ssh-rsa random stuff user@local_linode" 12:18 < zeroday> does that mean I can only login from that address and user? 12:19 < mikegrb> no 12:19 < mikegrb> it's basically a comment telling where the key was made 12:19 < zeroday> oic 12:31 < zeroday> mikegrb, you still here? 12:32 < mwalling> mikegrb is a figment of your imagination 12:32 < zeroday> I added this to my auth keys file: "from="69.93.127.152", at the beginning before it says ssh-rsa is that the correct way to limit logins to a single ip 12:37 < mikegrb> I believe so 12:37 < zeroday> great 12:59 -!- nityananda [~51f6c9f4@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02 -!- bob2 [rob@2001:470:b829::9] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:03 -!- bob2 [rob@egads.ertius.org] has joined #linode 13:04 -!- RiverRat [me@75-163-156-90.clsp.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:05 -!- Isvara [~Isvara@remember.this.name] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:06 -!- Kassah [~kassah@24-116-150-254.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:06 -!- Kassah [~kassah@24-116-150-254.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #linode 13:13 -!- RiverRat [me@97-112-145-188.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #linode 13:25 -!- andrew_j_w [~andrew@88-97-29-168.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #linode 13:31 -!- FloodServ [services@services.oftc.net] has quit [charon.oftc.net services.oftc.net] 13:35 -!- arooni [~arooni@c-24-19-234-159.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #linode 13:36 -!- FloodServ [services@services.oftc.net] has joined #linode 13:37 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@161.121.142.82.ip.b26.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:38 < Zotnix> So weird. SSH disconnects at 1:35 PM everyday. 13:38 < mwalling> heh 13:39 < Zotnix> For my friend and myself. Not sure if this happens outside of this network. 13:39 < tjfontaine> firewall keep aliaves 13:39 < tjfontaine> *alives 13:39 < djweezy> did it just happen? 13:39 < Zotnix> Yeah. 1:35 13:40 < djweezy> didnt happen for me 13:40 < Zotnix> I don't think it is a keep alive problem. 13:40 < Zotnix> It happens at the exact same time every day. 13:40 < caker> cron? 13:40 < djweezy> could it be you disconnected at 1:35 one day and now your sessions are limited to 24 hours? 13:41 < Zotnix> I disconnect for the night time. 13:41 < djweezy> oh 13:41 < djweezy> dunno then 13:46 -!- MSameer [~user@cs181150042.pp.htv.fi] has left #linode [Wanted to part] 13:50 -!- arooni-mobile [~arooni__@c-24-19-234-159.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #linode 13:50 < path-> maybe you should ask ceiling cat 13:52 < HoopyCat> "If you catch this fish DO NOT RELEASE IT. Kill it by cutting/bleeding it as this fish can survive out of water for several days." 13:52 < Zotnix> I don't think he knows much about SSH 13:53 < HoopyCat> hooray northern snakehead 13:54 < path-> i've heard of them, but never saw one 13:57 < HoopyCat> they look scary 13:57 < HoopyCat> ... and are not native to NYS 14:01 < path-> or the US 14:01 < path-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snakehead_fish#Ecological_concerns 14:02 < path-> "Snakeheads may be exterminated by applying the herbicides diquat dibromide and glyphosate (tradenames such as Roundup, Rodeo) to ponds to eliminate aquatic vegetation. The death of aquatic plants causes dissolved oxygen levels to drop, and a subsequent fish kill occurs." 14:03 < path-> that's great.. let's just kill it all 14:03 < mikegrb> http://www.dnr.state.md.us/irc/ssap_report.html 14:03 < mikegrb> that was the recommendation of this report too 14:04 < path-> i can see the feds pouring 50 gallon drums of roundup in the potamic 14:04 < mikegrb> well in this report they said just a bit of roundup on surface and subsurface plants but then a week later application of rotenone to kill the bastards themself 14:05 < mikegrb> and then to burry the dead fish in a hole 14:05 < Bdragon> "and then put a very heavy rock on top" 14:05 < path-> heh 14:05 < Bdragon> heh, zombie snakeheads... Would make a great B movie... 14:05 < mikegrb> > At 15 minutes post application, erratic swimming behavior and gulping of air was noted in both replicates of the 6 ppm and 3 ppm treatments. In addition, several fish were observed either upright on the bottom of the aquaria or listing to one side within the 6 ppm treatment. At one hour, all fish in all Rotenone treatments appeared dead. 14:05 < mikegrb> t/hee 14:05 < mikegrb> fast acting 14:06 < mikegrb> > In addition, even when provided a mechanism for escape, the fish showed no ability to do so 14:07 < path-> and the use of explosives (detonation cord) are unlikely to be 100% effective in eradicating snakeheads in the ponds. 14:07 < path-> hah 14:08 -!- jdlspeedy_web [~41534462@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 14:08 < wastrel> win 12 14:08 < wastrel> ups 14:08 < mikegrb> good stuff, thanks HoopyCat 14:15 < djweezy> back 14:15 < HoopyCat> glad to know killer alien fish are popular :-) 14:19 -!- hobs [~me@c-76-17-239-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #linode 14:19 < hobs> hello! 14:19 < hobs> I just bought my linode vps 8^) 14:20 * HoopyCat pours hobs a glass of Kool-Aid 14:20 < path-> you mean Flavor-Aid? 14:20 * hobs chugs delicious kool-aid 14:21 < hobs> ok well I have to go to work now but I am very excited :) 14:21 < path-> congrats! 14:21 < djweezy> nice, linode ftw 14:22 < HoopyCat> path-: you're right! *updates brain* 14:25 < caker> UPDATE Brain SET 14:27 < jdlspeedy_web> any staff around? somehow bandwidth is going up, up,up, can't figure this out :-/ 14:27 < caker> ? 14:27 < caker> which Linode? 14:29 < djweezy> jdlspeedy_web: did you try hutting it down? ;) 14:29 < djweezy> shutting^ 14:29 < jdlspeedy_web> yes 14:29 < jdlspeedy_web> dallas60 14:29 < jdlspeedy_web> jdlspeedy 14:29 < djweezy> and bandwidth continues to be used? 14:29 < jdlspeedy_web> yes 14:29 < jdlspeedy_web> right now its like 70Gb 14:30 -!- ryanc [~ryanc@c-67-160-205-109.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #linode 14:31 < caker> jdlspeedy_web: looks like a few ebtable rules were missing on the host .. how's it look now? 14:31 * caker curses ebtables thread-unsafeness 14:32 < jdlspeedy_web> caker: won't find out until i see my dashboard bandwidth meter keeps going up 14:33 < ryanc> o_O Why would ebtables have to deal with threads at all? Do separate istances step on each other if run at the same time? 14:34 < jdlspeedy_web> Its 71.8 GB right now, lets see what its like in an hour or so 14:34 < mikegrb> yes 14:34 < caker> kernel msg: ebtables bug: please report to author: Wrong nr. of counters requested <-- this happens 14:34 < caker> and the rules don't get inserted 14:39 < jdlspeedy_web> caker: was kinda worried to see my linode reach 200GB, and didn't see anything on my side 14:43 < jdlspeedy_web> most of it was incoming too 14:46 < jdlspeedy_web> that fixed it caker, thanks, the graph dropped to 0 14:47 < jdlspeedy_web> what was wrong? 14:47 < caker> you were receiving traffic you shouldn't have 14:47 < Bdragon> the counters weren't getting reset every sample, I assume 14:47 < jdlspeedy_web> o ok 14:52 < zeroday> http://media.fukung.net/images/614/i_know_chmod.jpg 14:53 -!- jdlspeedy_web [~41534462@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55 < cruxeternus> he also knows the SSI language 14:56 < emag> to coin a phrase, "whoa!" 14:57 < cruxeternus> What's even funnier about that, is his chmod skills probably consist of "chmod -R 777 /" to "make things work". 14:57 -!- hfb [~hfb@pool-71-118-254-245.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #linode 14:58 < anderiv_> hey - give the guy a break. At least he know how to upload and download. 14:58 < anderiv_> ;-) 14:58 -!- anderiv_ is now known as anderiv 14:58 < cruxeternus> hehe 14:59 < cruxeternus> And for the new users, in case it wasn't clear, don't execute the command I mentioned. :/ 15:00 < HoopyCat> if you did accidentally execute it, type: rm ...... ah hell, can't do it 15:01 < cruxeternus> evil 15:05 < djweezy> lol 15:05 < mikegrb> lolz 15:05 < HoopyCat> holy crap, i'm not crazy! the penguin truck! http://tinyurl.com/4w8g93 15:06 < djweezy> you are still crazy 15:07 < HoopyCat> i'm apparently the only person in town who has ever seen the Penguin Life Safety truck, with the perhaps unauthorized use of Tux on the side, until now! 15:08 < zeroday> my remote backup script 100% finished ^_^ 15:09 < irgeek> Quick! The the Tux cave! We have to stop this villain before he causes any more trouble! 15:11 -!- _Nat_RH [~gr0ver@208.98.22.71] has joined #linode 15:11 -!- Deetz [~Paul@host185.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #linode 15:13 -!- Nat_RH [clownfish@got.my.freebsdbox.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:17 < ryanc> That resume is awesomely bad. 15:17 -!- Nat_RH [clownfish@got.my.freebsdbox.org] has joined #linode 15:17 < fred> Which? 15:17 < mwalling> fred: cp's 15:18 < mwalling> 14:52 < zeroday> http://media.fukung.net/images/614/i_know_chmod.jpg 15:18 < fred> Ah. 15:18 < fred> not CPs. 15:18 < mwalling> no 15:18 < mwalling> but it could be 15:18 < fred> No, that's older than CP. 15:18 < straterra> I made fun of him the other day.. 15:18 < straterra> "Don't you have some coffee to make?" 15:19 < fred> http://www.fmft.net/Retards.gif comes to mind 15:19 < straterra> One? 15:19 -!- _Nat_RH [~gr0ver@208.98.22.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20 < Bdragon> The candidate has web hosting skills? Where do you plug the ethernet cable in? 15:20 < straterra> The big phone cable thingy! 15:20 < straterra> with the blinken lights 15:21 < Bdragon> I meant, where on the candidate do you plug the ethernet cable in? 15:22 < straterra> Hmm 15:22 < straterra> I assume he's a Cylon..so the arm 15:23 < straterra> That's where Apollo plugs in her cables o.O 15:23 -!- azaghal [~azaghal@91.148.112.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:28 * caker has upload/download skills 15:28 < tjfontaine> wut wut 15:30 * fred knows chmod 15:30 * djweezy knows ls 15:30 < cruxeternus> There is no alias. 15:31 < zeroday> who is CP? 15:32 < irgeek> fred: Do you know a good tutorial on chmod so I can get 1337 chmod skillz like you? 15:33 < cruxeternus> chmod 1337 irgeek 15:33 < cruxeternus> --wx-wxrwt funky 15:35 * irgeek becomes sticky 15:35 < irgeek> Uh, that didn't sound right. 15:37 < cruxeternus> haha 15:38 < straterra> mm..sticky 15:38 * cruxeternus makes sure not to `touch irgeek` 15:44 * irgeek makes sure not to mount cruxeternus 15:46 -!- jacob [~jacobmp@208.78.204.26] has joined #linode 15:50 < silverblade> ..... 15:50 * silverblade walks in, then turns around and walks back out 15:55 < heidi> yay 15:55 < heidi> oh 16:05 < silverblade> Are there any sites out there with benchmarking statistics for apache vs lighttpd 16:07 < mikegrb> many 16:07 < irgeek> Only about half a million. The lighttpd sight jumps to mind. 16:07 -!- azaghal [~azaghal@91.148.112.154] has joined #linode 16:07 < silverblade> lol 16:07 < mikegrb> lolz 16:07 < silverblade> a friend of mine seems to think Apache is the best thing ever. 16:07 < silverblade> and whenever i mention lighttpd he asks why i dont use Apache..... 16:07 < straterra> Apache isn't that bad of a webserver 16:08 < silverblade> Agreed. I have a book on it as well. 16:08 < silverblade> But I dont see a reason to use it as lighttpd seems to run fine 16:08 < iggy> it's sort of the defacto standard 16:08 < iggy> but not best for every situation 16:08 < silverblade> im more likely to have problems on a linode 360 with it compared with lighty though arent i 16:08 < iggy> apache definitely handles ssl a lot better than lightty does 16:09 < straterra> I'm running it just fine on a 360 16:09 < silverblade> mem usage? 16:10 < HoopyCat> when i clone a human being / it will be a member of my band 16:10 < straterra> Not sure how I can bring up memory usage.. 16:10 < straterra> But I'm not swapping 16:10 < straterra> I'm also running MySQL and a couple network services 16:10 < silverblade> hmm 16:11 < silverblade> im going to be having mysql on a separate linode 16:11 * straterra shrugs 16:11 < straterra> It all runs fine for me on a 360 16:11 < silverblade> busy site? 16:11 < straterra> not really.. 16:12 < irgeek> It all depends heavily on what your web servers is tasked with. The only way to get close to a definitive answer on what is better is to bench test your own setup. Looking at other peoples benchtests can be fairly misleading. 16:12 < straterra> But I imagine you will see disk I/O limiting more than memory usage 16:12 < irgeek> There are too many subjective factors. 16:12 < silverblade> i guess i could just install apache and see how i go 16:13 < irgeek> Not least of which is how much of your own time you'll spend installing, configuring and tweaking everything. 16:14 < HoopyCat> apache + postgresql + python + sycamore + memcached = 281MB ... site averages ~90,000 database-involving page views per day 16:14 < iggy> if you've got a working setup now, don't mess with it 16:14 < HoopyCat> cpu and i/o are negligable, linode 360 :-) 16:17 < irgeek> Pretty impressive. But have you been slashdotted yet? 16:17 < irgeek> That's the true test. 16:18 < mikegrb> (xen finnix working) 16:18 < mikegrb> <3 16:19 < HoopyCat> irgeek: nope. been on linode about a week now, but that week was lilac festival week so site traffic was up 16:20 < HoopyCat> i might try to digg or reddit a couple pages to see what happens 16:31 -!- snorp [~snorp@74-141-24-143.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #linode 16:31 < snorp> wow, this channel has grown :) 16:32 < HoopyCat> it's huuuuuuge, rochester; huuuuuuuge. 16:32 < snorp> so with this new machine management stuff, I wonder if it is possible/easy to do the following: 16:32 < snorp> 1) clone machine's disk, bring up new machine with same disk 16:33 < snorp> 2) start some long operation ('apt-get dist-upgrade' for instance) 16:33 < snorp> 3) when complete, swap IP with original machine and shut it down 16:33 < snorp> a cheap test/prod environment 16:39 -!- Mojo1978 [~Mojo1978@ip-78-94-122-201.hsi.ish.de] has joined #linode 16:42 < caker> snorp: yes 16:42 < caker> (same datacenter required for IP swappage) 16:44 < snorp> caker: sweet 16:45 < snorp> caker: can swap IP without rebooting? 16:45 < irgeek> snorp: You'd have to have a way to synchronize any changed data between the systems before you swapped the IP or you'd be throwing away anything that happened during the parallel time. 16:45 < snorp> would be nice to have some sugar in the web UI for that 16:45 < snorp> irgeek: yup, true 16:45 < irgeek> Like logs, delivered mail and DB updates. 16:47 < irgeek> I've found that not losing mail after it's been delivered is high on the list of ways not to get lynched by your users. 16:47 < snorp> :) 16:53 < HoopyCat> caker: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35187594@N00/2506779224/ 16:54 < djweezy> i dont get it 16:55 < HoopyCat> djweezy: http://notaverb.com/backup 16:56 < HoopyCat> i was on the edge of my seat for the other half of the letter, waiting for them to offer to setup my network for free 16:58 < jetlag> I like verbing words. 17:01 -!- andrew_j_w [~andrew@88-97-29-168.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18 * CaptObviousman kills this conversation before it starts 17:18 < CaptObviousman> SO WHO LIKES CHEESE 17:19 < djweezy> HoopyCat: i see 17:20 < Toba_> i like cheese 17:21 < HoopyCat> here's a lovely song about my favorite food! 17:21 < HoopyCat> lima lentil soy and pinto / navy northern and garbanzo / kidneys and frijoles negros / i love beans 17:29 < cruxeternus> I <3 Space Ghost. 17:30 < mwalling> there isnt an ext3 driver for windows is there 17:32 < tjfontaine> well reading is just the ext2 driver :) 17:32 < mwalling> hmpf 17:32 < mwalling> ok 17:32 < tjfontaine> writing is more difficult of course 17:32 < tjfontaine> but they do exist 17:32 < mwalling> reading works 17:34 -!- Deetz [~Paul@host185.natpool.mwn.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:38 < cruxeternus> Wait, did you say Finnix works on Xen now? 17:38 < mwalling> 16:18 <@mikegrb> (xen finnix working) 17:38 < cruxeternus> like zomg 17:39 < cruxeternus> Oh well, my method is better anyway. :P 17:44 -!- irgeek [~irgeek@166.128.149.115] has quit [Quit: irgeek] 17:44 < jimd> mwalling: look at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/winext2fsd/ 17:44 < jimd> No promises but that looks like it should be an IFS for win32 that supports ext2 17:45 < tjfontaine> fs-driver.org seems a better bet 17:45 < tjfontaine> and that page specifically points people to: http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/ 17:45 < jimd> I was just comparing the two of them, tjfontaine. 17:46 < jimd> It's likely that winext2fsd and ext2fsd are in fact different URLs/names for the same underlying project. 17:46 < tjfontaine> "You should probably take a look at Matt Wu's ext2 driver. It is better maintained. Am proud to say that he is now a colleague of mine. :)" 17:46 < tjfontaine> http://winext2fsd.sourceforge.net/ 17:46 -!- Aero187 [~Aero187@cpe-66-69-85-105.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 17:47 < Aero187> any admins available? 17:47 < tjfontaine> easier to just ask your question first 17:48 -!- irgeek [~irgeek@166.128.154.0] has joined #linode 17:48 < CaptObviousman> tjfontaine: what is the sound of one hand clapping? 17:48 < Aero187> I'm having issues with the RDNS manager.. i've gotten it to work before, but since i've loaded in a new domain (yes, it already propagates) it doesn't want to go to the new domain 17:49 < Deckert_za> Aero187: what's the forward name you want to add? 17:49 < CaptObviousman> there's an rdns manager for my linode? 17:50 < Aero187> the.master.of.theinner.net =D 17:50 < Deckert_za> !help 17:50 < linbot> Deckert_za: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 17:50 < mwalling> tjfontaine: i owe you a bj 17:50 < ryanc> HoopyCat: Did you get ztdummy working? 17:50 < CaptObviousman> mwalling: ! 17:51 < mwalling> CaptObviousman: this man saved my job 17:51 < Deckert_za> !dnslookup the.master.of.theinner.net 17:51 < mwalling> !dns the.master.of.theinner.net 17:51 < linbot> mwalling: 67.18.208.231 17:51 < Deckert_za> !list 17:51 < linbot> Deckert_za: AcronymFinder, Admin, Alias, Amazon, Anonymous, Babelfish, BadWords, Channel, Config, Currency, CyborgName, Debian, Dict, Dunno, Ebay, Factoids, Filter, Format, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Internet, Lart, Later, LinodeAvail, Linux, Memo, Misc, News, Nickometer, Note, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Quote, RSS, Rhyme, RootWarner, Scheduler, Seen, Services, ShrinkUrl, Sourceforge, Status, Stock, String, Success, (1 more message) 17:51 < silverblade> perl: warning: Setting locale failed. < anyone got ideas on that 17:51 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:51 < mwalling> !locale 17:51 < mwalling> !locales 17:51 < linbot> http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3264 17:51 < mwalling> silverblade: ^^ 17:51 < silverblade> chars. 17:52 < cruxeternus> !setup 17:52 < linbot> setup is not a verb. Please see http://notaverb.com/ 17:52 < mwalling> Deckert_za: "/msg linbot list" is much more fun :) 17:52 < Aero187> Deckert_za: any ideas? 17:52 < Deckert_za> Aero187: looks fine ... what happens when you enter that forward name in the RDNS manager? 17:52 < Deckert_za> mwalling: ta! 17:52 < Aero187> No match was found 17:52 * Deckert_za gets confused with all the bots in all the channels 17:53 < CaptObviousman> mwalling: how so? 17:55 < Deckert_za> Aero187: all I can think is that the Linode DNS servers don;t have the updated zone yet 17:55 < Aero187> yeah, but it's been near 24 hours 17:55 < Deckert_za> hmmm 17:55 < Aero187> i would have thought it would have updated by now 17:56 < Deckert_za> Aero187: directly querying the linode servers (and the nameservers of the DCs shows that it did propagate 17:56 < Deckert_za> Aero187: it's even working here on the namesrvers in SA 17:56 < Aero187> weird 17:56 < Aero187> sa? 17:57 < Deckert_za> South Africa 17:57 < Aero187> hmm 17:58 -!- bd_ [~foo@satoko.is.fushizen.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:59 < Deckert_za> !dns the.master.of.theinner.net 17:59 < linbot> Deckert_za: 67.18.208.231 17:59 < Deckert_za> Aero187: maybe the RDNS service thinks it has too many dots? 17:59 < Aero187> nah, i tried just theinner.net 18:00 < Aero187> no go 18:00 * Deckert_za raises an eyebrow 18:00 < Bdragon> serial? 18:00 < Aero187> this is why i asked for an admin first.. =P 18:01 < Deckert_za> Aero187: umm ... 18:01 < Deckert_za> that zone has no SOA record 18:01 < Aero187> wha? 18:01 < Deckert_za> tva@zorg:~$ host -t soa the.master.of.theinner.net 18:01 < Deckert_za> the.master.of.theinner.net has no SOA record 18:02 < Aero187> wtf, i'm looking at it and it says it's there 18:02 < Deckert_za> oh wait ... 18:02 < Deckert_za> theinner.net has one 18:02 < Aero187> yeah 18:02 * Deckert_za is definitely asleep 18:02 < Deckert_za> (sorry, past midnight down here) 18:02 < Aero187> heh, no probs 18:03 < Deckert_za> serial looks fine: 2008051943 18:04 < Deckert_za> Aero187: is 67.18.208.231 the IP of your Linode? 18:04 < Aero187> yeah 18:05 * Deckert_za scratches his head ... should the default RDNS not point to a linode record? 18:05 < Deckert_za> !dns 67.18.208.231 18:05 < linbot> Deckert_za: Host not found. 18:05 < Bryanstein> yes it should 18:06 < Bryanstein> from what I've seen...I had to change mine in the reverse dns manager for it to finally point away from members.linode.blahblah 18:06 < Aero187> yeah, it was going to another domain, and then i changed it to IP only, last night.. 18:06 < Aero187> and now i can't get it to go to the second domain 18:06 < Deckert_za> heh ... so you changed to IP to .. point to an IP ... 18:07 < Aero187> noo 18:07 < Deckert_za> Aero187: that may be confusing things ... 18:07 < Aero187> just removed RDNS from going to a NAME, just an IP 18:07 < Deckert_za> Aero187: aah ... didn;t know you could do that in the RDNS manager 18:07 < Aero187> yeah 18:08 -!- bd__ [~bd@cpe-74-69-246-7.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 18:08 < bd__> did fremont39 just reboot? 18:08 < Aero187> caker, tasaro, mikegrb, jadoba: any input on this would be greatly appreciated 18:10 < bd__> hm no, something broke in my instance 18:10 < bd__> but since screen was killed earlier I don't know why :| 18:14 -!- azaghal [~azaghal@91.148.112.154] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has joined #linode 18:22 -!- xitology [~xi@78.31.182.24] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:28 -!- TJF [~TJF_GN@pat.foulston.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@194.213.48.99] has joined #linode 18:33 -!- ryanc [~ryanc@c-67-160-205-109.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:39 < CaptObviousman> hmm 18:39 < silverblade> hmm what package is spawn-fcgi in 18:39 < CaptObviousman> so I'm taking a look at my bandwidth logs and I'm kinda concerned 18:39 < Toba_> really CaptObviousman 18:39 < CaptObviousman> because there was some heavy activity all of yesterday until about 2am last night, suddenly it cuts off 18:40 < CaptObviousman> and I don't see anything in my apache logs nor in syslog 18:40 < Peng> silverblade: lighttpd? 18:40 -!- russssss [~5101521b@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 18:41 < silverblade> yeah sorry my bad - i just realised it came with it 18:41 < russssss> Hi all - really simple (embarrassing!) question. I've created an ubuntu node. Fine. But it only let me set a root password. How can I actually login given that root access is disabled by default? 18:42 < SpaceHobo> it's not disabled 18:42 < SpaceHobo> log in from lish as root 18:42 < SpaceHobo> and then create a user and put it in sudo and all 18:42 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 18:43 < russssss> Ahh right. Cheers :-) 18:44 < SpaceHobo> you can lock root's password after if you really want 18:44 < SpaceHobo> me, I don't allow ssh to use password auth, so I'm not bovvered 18:45 < russssss> OK so lish gives me console access. But I still need to login. And it won't let me as root... 18:45 < russssss> doesn't Ubuntu disable root login by default? 18:45 < Toba_> hahahhaha 18:46 < caker> russssss: ubuntu 8? 18:46 < russssss> Yes. 18:47 < caker> it allows root console access 18:49 < Aero187> caker: could you please read up on my RDNS issues 18:50 < caker> Aero187: where? 18:50 -!- russssss [~5101521b@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50 < Aero187> up a bit in the log, but if you want, i can tell you again 18:50 < caker> one sec 18:52 -!- lakin [~lakin@S01060013101832cd.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:53 < caker> Aero187: what IP is this? 18:54 < Aero187> 67.18.208.231 18:54 < Aero187> caker: ^ 18:54 < caker> +---------------+---------------+ 18:54 < caker> | IPAddress | rdns_name | 18:54 < caker> +---------------+---------------+ 18:54 < caker> | 67.18.208.231 | 67.18.208.231 | 18:54 < caker> +---------------+---------------+ 18:54 < caker> ^-- database 18:54 < caker> and... 18:54 < caker> 231 PTR 67.18.208.231. <-- zone file entry 18:54 < Aero187> i want it changed, but it says that it can't find what i want it changed to 18:55 < caker> so, from my perspective it's set to what you set it to be 18:55 < Aero187> but it resolves 18:55 < Aero187> no 18:55 < caker> ok 18:55 < Aero187> i want the.master.of.theinner.net 18:55 < caker> in the rdns manager thing, right? 18:55 < Peng> (What's the RFC that says subdomains like that are dumb?) 18:55 < caker> Aero187: try it now, please 18:56 < Aero187> caker: No match was found for "the.master.of.theinner.net". Reverse DNS must have a matching forward entry for one of your IPs. 18:58 < caker> Aero187: one more try 18:58 < Aero187> caker: yay, thanks!! =D 19:02 -!- Struggle [~yingyang@201-11-173-90.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #linode 19:06 -!- binel_ [~h00s@78-1-150-15.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #linode 19:07 -!- Struggle is now known as Infinito 19:11 -!- jm [~fake@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:11 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:11 -!- binel [~h00s@78-1-130-51.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:16 -!- Infinito [~yingyang@201-11-173-90.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27 -!- kenichi [~ken@216-99-216-223.dsl.aracnet.com] has joined #linode 19:29 < kenichi> hello, sorry if i missed it, but is there a wait time between sign up and log in? 19:31 < kenichi> nm, it let me in now. 19:31 < mwalling> accounts are manually activated 19:37 < kvandivo> how 1990s 19:37 < mwalling> ... 19:38 < mwalling> how i-dont-want-to-pay-chargeback-fees-and-make-sure-my-customers-are-legit 19:44 -!- jacob [~jacobmp@208.78.204.26] has quit [Quit: sys.exit(0)] 19:47 -!- arooni-mobile [~arooni__@c-24-19-234-159.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49 -!- Aero187 [~Aero187@cpe-66-69-85-105.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:59 < bob2> haha 20:00 < bob2> also don't want to end up on sorbs! 20:00 -!- hfb [~hfb@pool-71-118-254-245.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:05 -!- Eman [OHGODHOW@dyn216-8-131-171.ADSL.mnsi.net] has quit [Quit: so i herd u liek mudkips?] 20:20 -!- bd_ [~foo@satoko.is.fushizen.net] has joined #linode 20:42 -!- Eman [OHGODHOW@dyn216-8-131-171.ADSL.mnsi.net] has joined #linode 20:42 -!- Nat_RH [clownfish@got.my.freebsdbox.org] has quit [] 20:59 -!- cesar123 [~c9e69952@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 21:00 < cesar123> hello 21:00 * Hobbsee waves 21:00 < tasaro> hello 21:04 < ajmitch> hi 21:05 < HoopyCat> huh. no packet loss, no unusual latency, but ssh is slow as heck to bluemoon... 21:07 < straterra> tc! 21:16 < tjfontaine> mwalling: just one? 21:19 -!- HoopyCat [~rtucker@rtucker-pt.tunnel.tserv8.dal1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21 -!- HoopyCat [~rtucker@rtucker-pt.tunnel.tserv8.dal1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #linode 21:22 < HoopyCat> well aren't you a bluebird of happiness today, bluemoon 21:23 < tjfontaine> HoopyCat: your poor g7 score 21:23 -!- sveiss [~sveiss@2001:470:1f09:2a4:21b:63ff:fe1b:abd3] has left #linode [] 21:25 < Bdragon> HydraIRC something or other 21:25 < bob2> hm, whois won't tell me who owns 3133:7/108 21:25 < tjfontaine> caker doing stats 21:26 < caker> lotsa irssi 21:26 < HoopyCat> tjfontaine: as i resigned myself to a reboot, that's what my first thought was 21:26 < CoreDuo> caker, wonder why >.> 21:26 * bob2 is really erc hiding behind irssi 21:26 < HoopyCat> i don't like a locked-up console with "conntrack_ftp: partial 227 3511061496+5" on it 21:26 * path- uses telnet 21:26 < CoreDuo> lol telnet 21:26 < mikegrb> lolz 21:29 < Bryanstein> anybody here using psybnc ? 21:29 < tjfontaine> irssi-proxy++ 21:33 < tjfontaine> caker: don't forget to login :) 21:33 < caker> I'm just there to taunt 21:34 < tjfontaine> heh 21:35 -!- sveiss [~sveiss@2001:470:1f09:2a4:21b:63ff:fe1b:abd3] has joined #linode 21:37 < HoopyCat> i'm totally due for a reinstall one of these days. 21:37 -!- lanstin [~user@www2.austin-lane.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:37 -!- mode/#linode [+o linbot] by caker 21:37 < caker> !rr 21:37 < linbot> caker: *click* 21:39 < caker> 21:38 [oftc] -!- [resistance.oftc.net] No text to send ?? 21:39 < caker> How'd I manage that? 21:39 < tjfontaine> wow 21:39 < caker> ^c looks like 21:39 < HoopyCat> it's Weird Error Message Day! 21:39 < tjfontaine> why did it make it past the leaf though and to the hub 21:39 < tjfontaine> resistance shouldn't respond to lusers generally speaking 21:51 -!- Mojo1978 [~Mojo1978@ip-78-94-122-201.hsi.ish.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57 -!- lanstin [~user@www2.austin-lane.net] has joined #linode 22:03 -!- jacob [~jacobmp@208.78.204.26] has joined #linode 22:03 -!- jacob [~jacobmp@208.78.204.26] has quit [] 22:12 < HoopyCat> :-( http://rocwiki.org/Ariana_Kabob_House?action=diff&at_date=1211246757.28866 22:12 < HoopyCat> man, and i was in a good mood 22:13 -!- sveiss [~sveiss@2001:470:1f09:2a4:21b:63ff:fe1b:abd3] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:13 -!- sungo [sungo@warewolf.org] has left #linode [] 22:13 -!- sveiss [~sveiss@2001:470:1f09:2a4:21b:63ff:fe1b:abd3] has joined #linode 22:15 < Peng> On Linux, is there any way to, like, kill a network connection? I don't mean eth0, but one specific connection, firefox-bin to www.example.com or whatever. 22:16 < clanehin> Peng: I'm not sure, but if you could, I think that most of the time the client would just say, oops it dropped, and reconnect. 22:16 < bob2> you could firewall it based on source port and destination, but no, not really 22:17 < Peng> clanehin: I don't mind that. 22:17 < clanehin> I don't know of any technical reason why it couldn't be done, but why do you want to? 22:19 < caker> tcpkill? 22:20 * tjfontaine tcpkills mikegrb 22:21 < Peng> That looks neat. 22:22 < Battousai> i'd udpkill him, but it's a connectionless protocol 22:22 * mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22 < HoopyCat> udpcanoodle 22:22 < clanehin> Maybe you're testing a web app. 22:22 < clanehin> for fault tolerance. 22:25 < Peng> Yeah, let's say I'm doing that. 22:26 -!- kassah-lappy [~kassah@24-116-150-254.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #linode 22:29 < clanehin> Maybe its some kind of practical joke . . . 22:30 < Peng> Upside-down ternet would be funnier. 22:30 < Peng> Maybe I'm going Comcast and breaking BitTorrent. 22:31 < lucca> it is possible to edit the connection state tables from userspace 22:31 < lucca> (this is done by one of the daemons to allow multiple machines to share the same state table for redundant NAT purposes) 22:32 < caker> cRaZy 22:32 < lucca> it is feasible (but not yet done afaik) to have a userspace daemon watch for a given host that uses too many flows and remove them 22:42 < mwalling> tjfontaine: yes, only one. dont be greedy now 22:42 < tjfontaine> :) 22:44 < mwalling> caker: you should publish stats on irc clients :P 22:56 -!- lanstin [~user@www2.austin-lane.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:57 -!- lanstin [~user@www2.austin-lane.net] has joined #linode 22:59 -!- Bryanstein [~Bryanstei@68-184-213-189.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00 -!- jacob [~jacobmp@208.78.204.26] has joined #linode 23:21 -!- r3z`` [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #linode 23:21 -!- r3z` [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:23 -!- jacob [~jacobmp@208.78.204.26] has quit [Quit: sys.exit(0)] 23:30 * Zotnix gives HoopyCat cheezburgers. 23:34 < Hobbsee> argh. another bad url 23:34 * Hobbsee pokes caker with a stick 23:37 < wastrel> hi 23:37 < wastrel> bad url 23:42 < encode> where is the bad url? 23:44 < Hobbsee> You may access the members' site at . 23:46 < caker> Hobbsee: from where? 23:46 < Hobbsee> caker: email notification about bandwidth usage. 23:46 < Battousai> ooh 23:46 < Battousai> mikegrb's fault 23:47 < Hobbsee> iirc, the disk io, etc, stuff is the same 23:47 < Hobbsee> it's always mikegrb's fault. 23:47 < Battousai> well yeah 23:47 < Battousai> but this time it's double --- Log closed Mon May 19 23:59:00 2008