--- Day changed --- Log opened Mon Jul 28 23:59:02 2008 23:59 < tjfontaine> the ip has recently been released, and you're reusing it I suppose 00:00 < StevenK> 61.176.14.72.in-addr.arpa. 86400 internat PTRhuggy.petdance.com. 00:00 < StevenK> Works for me 00:00 < internat> mm?? 00:00 < andy_> where are you getting that from StevenK 00:00 < internat> !dns 72.14.176.61 00:00 < StevenK> andy_: The machine I'm sitting in front of 00:00 < linbot> internat: huggy.petdance.com 00:00 < andy_> ok 00:00 < tjfontaine> dns cache may be fooling you 00:00 < andy_> so it's just a propagation thing 00:00 < StevenK> internat: Sorry, that's my client being dumb 00:01 < StevenK> A tab in the middle of a pasted line does not mean pick a random nick and complete it 00:01 * Paul tests. 00:01 < StevenK> I suspect IN -> internat 00:01 < Paul> 61.176.14.72.in-addr.arpa. 86353 internat PTRhuggy.petdance.com. 00:01 < Paul> indeedly 00:01 < andy_> oK, thanks. 00:01 < Paul> bless irssi! 00:02 < Peng_> Oh shoot, irssi does that? 00:02 < Paul> and sorry, internat 00:02 < tjfontaine> irssi loves eating \n's on paste 00:02 < Paul> hope you don't have beep on hilight or something on, internat 00:02 < Peng_> Yeah,,,text mode can't really detect when things are pasted, right? 00:02 < StevenK> And no nick starts with PTR, so "PTR" -> "PTR" 00:02 < Paul> because that'd be mean of me eh internat? ;-) 00:02 * Paul settles down. 00:02 < tjfontaine> 61.176.14.72.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer li35-61.members.linode.com. 00:02 < tjfontaine> /exec -o host 72.14.176.61 00:02 < StevenK> I much prefer host, too 00:03 < tjfontaine> dig -x @ is silly syntax 00:03 < andy_> I wonder if launchpad.net is still going off the old reverse DNS 00:03 < tjfontaine> [07-29] 00:00 < tjfontaine> dns cache may be fooling you 00:03 < andy_> 'cause I'm trying to pull bazaar branches via bzr+ssh and it's refusing my pulls 00:03 < StevenK> What's the error? 00:05 -!- _m0 is now known as m0 00:06 < andy_> never mind, i had keys wrong. 00:06 < andy_> I'm amazed at what you guys have set up here. 00:06 < andy_> Where I assume that at least some of you work for linode 00:07 < tjfontaine> those who are +o 00:07 < andy_> I'm about to get a new dev VM going at work, and I'm gonna just go to my boss and say "screw the setup, let's just spend $20 for a couple months rather than dick with it all 00:07 < andy_> " 00:07 < tjfontaine> exactly 00:08 < andy_> that is, after I get all my stuff off my expensive server at home. 00:08 < andy_> expensive 'cause it's on a static IP 00:14 -!- mikster [~mikster@211.167.82.42] has joined #linode 00:19 -!- mikster [~mikster@211.167.82.42] has left #linode [] 00:25 < internat> yes ihad highlight on, which was why i piked up 00:27 < bd_> andy_: the employees of linode here have the @s next to their names :) 00:30 -!- SelfishMan_ [~SelfishMa@75-175-175-10.blng.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:31 -!- MrRx7 [~Owner@dpc674448253.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:32 -!- andy_ [~andy@uniqua.petdance.com] has quit [Quit: andy_] 00:36 -!- ^GaveUp^ [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 00:41 -!- pdepartida [~be0a832b@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 00:42 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:44 -!- pdepartida [~be0a832b@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:44 -!- pdepartida [~be0a832b@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 00:44 -!- pdepartida [~be0a832b@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:45 -!- pdepartida [~be0a832b@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 00:45 -!- pdepartida [~be0a832b@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:46 -!- pdepartida [LinodeJava@190.10.131.43] has joined #linode 00:46 < pdepartida> hello. i need a little help here is possible. 00:47 < pdepartida> i have this directories that are created by a script that have jpg files on them. I have always been able to delete them. 00:48 < pdepartida> but now i'm getting " cannot remove ____ Read-only file system" 00:48 < pdepartida> permissions seem to be setted correctly. any tips? 00:49 < guinea-pig> is the filesystem mounted read-only? 00:49 < pdepartida> oh, and when i try to delete them with a rm -r * mysql crashes. 00:50 < pdepartida> guinea-pig: shoudn't be. how do i check? 00:52 -!- MrRx7 [~Owner@dpc674448253.direcpc.com] has joined #linode 00:52 < pdepartida> actually it seems the entire system became "READ ONLY" 00:53 < guinea-pig> that's what i meant 00:53 < guinea-pig> sorry. yeah. 00:53 < pdepartida> can't delete anything 00:53 < pdepartida> guinea-pig: any tips? 00:53 < internat> 1k file system? 00:53 < guinea-pig> xen? 00:53 < guinea-pig> what internat said 00:54 < Xel> They need to find+fix that damned bug, heh heh. 00:54 < Xel> I have a 1k fs but I don't do much small-file transactions 00:54 < Xel> I still had the readonly bug hit once or twice. 00:55 < path-> it could mess up your data 00:55 < pdepartida> it's xen. and i do have a lot of small file transactions. 00:55 < internat> apparently there is a program/tool arround in the linode manager that can do the converstion for you.. 00:55 < path-> it did for someone else 00:55 < Xel> internat: Really? I recall it being a bitch - if there's an automated tool now, though... 00:55 < tasaro> https://www.linode.com/members/linode/images_convert.cfm 00:55 < Xel> Ok seriously my fucking DNS servers are getting raped 00:55 < pdepartida> so, what do i do? 00:56 < internat> thank you mr tasaro :) 00:56 < Xel> Ok - brb. Thank you tasaro, btw. 00:56 -!- Xel [foobar@aurora.xelman.net] has quit [Quit: .] 00:56 < tasaro> welcome mr internat 00:56 < internat> did ns1.* get sorted out btw? 00:57 < internat> wow.. i just looked at that tool and it confused the hell out of me. 00:58 < internat> Namely cause it said there was a debian 3.1 image that was in 1k blocksize, and a debian 4.0 image that was in 4k and im like WTF. 00:58 < internat> but then i remembered that before i did the 4k merge, i did a clone. 00:58 -!- SelfishMan [~SelfishMa@host-72-175-55-117.lvt-mt.client.bresnan.net] has joined #linode 00:58 * path- converts his swap to 4k blocksize 00:59 < pdepartida> will a reboot do the trick at least temporarily? 00:59 < internat> it might. 00:59 < internat> you should probably run a fsck though. 00:59 < pdepartida> ok and then? 00:59 < internat> umm. then your on your own :) 01:00 < internat> i would stronly recommend changing over as soon as you can though. 01:00 < pdepartida> by changing you mean? exuse if stupid question. 01:00 < internat> i tried to get thru a day and a bit with it, after it started remounting itself RO, but couldnt.. 01:00 < guinea-pig> [00:55] <@tasaro> https://www.linode.com/members/linode/images_convert.cfm 01:00 < internat> by changing i mean, changing your filesystem from 1k to 4k 01:00 < guinea-pig> ^ changing 01:01 < pdepartida> ok the reboot did the thing, at least for a while. 01:01 < pdepartida> i check into that. thanks guys. 01:03 -!- ryan8403 [~ryan8403@home.ryanchewning.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:03 < pdepartida> that's gonna take a while, right? 01:03 -!- ^GaveUp^ [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:10 -!- Xel [~matt@aurora.xelman.net] has joined #linode 01:10 < Xel> tasaro: Thanks for that tip. 01:10 < Xel> Converted my FS. 01:11 -!- voxadam [~voxadam@pool-71-111-48-241.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #linode 01:11 -!- voxadam [~voxadam@pool-71-111-48-241.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: voxadam] 01:14 < pdepartida> Xel: how much time did it take? 01:24 < Paul> Fascinating. 01:24 < Paul> Whenever I browse to the samba instance on my laptop, explorer.exe on my desktop hangs. 01:25 < SelfishMan> That's rather common 01:25 < Paul> SelfishMan: Interestingly enough, it's fine when browsing to each other machine here. 01:25 < SelfishMan> Yep. Seen it a few times before but can't remember what the fix was 01:27 -!- kupesoft [~dave@CPE004314674170-CM0018c0c44e76.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 01:27 < Paul> heh ... now it's working fine 01:27 < Paul> *shrug* 01:28 -!- kinema [~voxadam@pool-71-111-48-241.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #linode 01:28 < SelfishMan> I seem to remember it having something to do with printers 01:30 -!- Bdragon28 [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has joined #linode 01:30 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:30 -!- Bdragon28 is now known as Bdragon 01:32 -!- kinema [~voxadam@pool-71-111-48-241.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #linode [] 01:41 -!- jcn [~jcn@207-237-244-88.c3-0.nyw-ubr2.nyr-nyw.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:42 -!- pdepartida [LinodeJava@190.10.131.43] has left #linode [] 01:49 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: If you ask you know I don't mind kneeling, but when my knees hurt, I'd like to stand.] 01:53 -!- PAtrik|off is now known as PAtrik 01:53 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #linode 02:02 < Paul> Yay, those charming young girls upstairs are having yet another fight. 02:02 * Paul loves living in an apartment block. 02:03 < encode> Paul: pics or it didn't happen 02:03 < Paul> LOL like hell I'm going up there. 02:03 < mikegrb> lolz 02:03 < Paul> One of them would try to dry-hump me or something. :| 02:04 -!- internat [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:04 -!- internat [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #linode 02:06 < StevenK> Paul: You say that as if it's a bad thing. 02:08 < Pryon> you could try to induce a hump-off 02:09 < Paul> StevenK: You clearly haven't met them. 02:09 < SelfishMan> I fail to see the problem there 02:12 -!- shouman [~721f1902@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 02:13 < shouman> hello 02:16 -!- MrRx7 [~Owner@dpc674448253.direcpc.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:17 -!- tsp [~tyler@S0106001310788ff0.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:19 -!- Eman is now known as Guest216 02:19 -!- Eman [OHGODHOW@dyn216-8-163-175.ADSL.mnsi.net] has joined #linode 02:19 -!- shakr [~shakr@whirl.gellin.dyndns.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:22 -!- exor|wow is now known as exor|zzz 02:23 -!- Guest216 [OHGODHOW@dyn216-8-163-175.ADSL.mnsi.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:25 -!- shouman [~721f1902@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:25 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-241-182.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #linode 02:30 -!- Sindacious [~Xenu@c-68-51-216-181.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:30 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: If you ask you know I don't mind kneeling, but when my knees hurt, I'd like to stand.] 02:45 -!- spasmface [~spasm@r220-101-68-180.cpe.unwired.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:46 -!- getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-241-182.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:56 -!- tsp [~tyler@S0106001310788ff0.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #linode 02:57 -!- MrRx7 [~Owner@dpc674448253.direcpc.com] has joined #linode 03:01 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #linode 03:02 -!- elhippo [~elhippo@c-98-195-101-68.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:08 -!- kinema [~voxadam@pool-71-111-48-241.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #linode 03:09 -!- internat [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 03:10 < kinema> I just performed some caffeine and sleep dep stupidity. I created and edited a /etc/hostname without editing /etc/hosts to match. Now sudo doesn't work. 03:10 < kinema> To make matters worse, I've disabled the root login. 03:13 < kinema> What's the best way for me to delete /etc/hostname? 03:16 -!- Eman [OHGODHOW@dyn216-8-163-175.ADSL.mnsi.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:17 < Karnaugh> disabled root login? 03:17 < Karnaugh> can't you 'su -l root -c "hostname "' 03:19 < kinema> Karnaugh: no. root doesn't have a password. I ran "passwd -l root" 03:19 < Karnaugh> that's a particularly stupid thing to do 03:19 < Karnaugh> I'm sorry to say 03:20 < kinema> I realize that now... 03:20 -!- djweezy [djweezy@weezy.us] has joined #linode 03:20 < djweezy> mikegrb: ping 03:20 < Karnaugh> you may have to get linode to repair your shadow or boot into single user mode somehow 03:20 < StevenK> kinema: Reset the root password using the Linode Dashboard 03:21 -!- shakr [~shakr@whirl.gellin.dyndns.org] has joined #linode 03:23 < kinema> StevenK: Thanks... I completely forgot I could do that via the dashboard. 03:27 < kinema> Hmmmm... well, thanks to StevenK I managed to change the root password but I'm not able to login now because it says the account has expired. 03:27 -!- Eman [OHGODHOW@dyn216-8-163-175.ADSL.mnsi.net] has joined #linode 03:27 < djweezy> any admins around? 03:32 < jadoba> djweezy: momentarially 03:32 < jadoba> whats up 03:32 < djweezy> jadoba: recently i had an issue where one of my domains causes an error every time i try to edit it in the dns manager 03:33 < purrdeta> jadoba: you should go approve my upgrade while you are up :P 03:33 < djweezy> then mikegrb did something and it worked for a while, its broke again 03:33 < jadoba> djweezy: did you change it again? 03:33 < jadoba> purrdeta: if we have availability, let me check 03:33 < purrdeta> k :) 03:33 -!- Internat [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #linode 03:33 < djweezy> jadoba: nope 03:33 < jadoba> what is the domain? 03:34 < djweezy> weezy.us 03:34 < jadoba> easey 03:34 < jadoba> lemme dig it 03:34 < djweezy> k 03:35 < jadoba> long ttl 03:35 < djweezy> the domain works fine, just cant get into it in dns manager 03:35 < jadoba> but i see no errors 03:35 < jadoba> oh... huh 03:35 < jadoba> purrdeta: ok 03:35 < jadoba> djweezy: does it exit with error? 03:35 < purrdeta> <3 jadoba 03:35 < djweezy> 03:35 < djweezy> We're sorry, but an error has occurred... 03:35 < djweezy> # Your Location: 209.0.49.219 03:35 < djweezy> # Your Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008070206 Firefox/3.0.1 03:36 < djweezy> # Date and Time the Error Occurred: {ts '2008-07-29 03:35:49'} 03:36 < djweezy> # Page You Came From: https://www.linode.com/members/dns/ 03:36 < djweezy> # Our development team has been alerted to this error. If you continue to have problems please contact support : support@linode.com 03:36 < djweezy> thats what i get 03:36 < jadoba> purrdeta: time me, you will be ready in 4 minutes 03:36 < purrdeta> k 03:36 < jadoba> djweezy: ok, but next time can you use p.linode.com and paste the link? 03:36 * Internat starts the clock. 03:36 < djweezy> my bad 03:39 < jadoba> time 03:39 < jadoba> djweezy: lemme take a look again 03:39 < djweezy> k 03:39 < purrdeta> nice... it appears to have been only 3 minutes 03:39 < jadoba> purrdeta: i work slower in the afternoon, believe iit or not 03:39 < purrdeta> lol 03:39 < mikegrb> lolz 03:40 * purrdeta shuts down 03:40 < purrdeta> be back soon!! :P 03:41 -!- purrdeta [purrdeta@wenduri.darkdna.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:41 < jadoba> djweezy: is the domain zone configured at all right now? 03:41 < djweezy> ya 03:41 < jadoba> extensively? 03:41 < djweezy> ya 03:42 < jadoba> hmm 03:49 -!- scorche [Blah@ip72-211-200-129.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:49 < jadoba> djweezy: this might have to wait until I or you can get in touch with mikegrb tomorrow morning. I am not certain about what is causing this or how mikegrb fixed it 03:50 < djweezy> he was here a minute ago 03:50 < jadoba> yeah, lol 03:50 < mikegrb> lolz 03:50 < jadoba> script (sorry) 03:50 < jadoba> he is asleep, I assure you 03:54 -!- purrdeta [purrdeta@wenduri.darkdna.net] has joined #linode 03:54 -!- scorche [Blah@ip72-211-200-129.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #linode 03:57 -!- DennisTT [~den@S010600062579d782.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #linode 03:57 < jadoba> purrdeta: thanks for starting it 3 minutes after it was configured :D 03:57 < purrdeta> lol 03:57 < mikegrb> lolz 03:58 < purrdeta> I didnt wanna wait 3 days!! 03:59 -!- ceej [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 03:59 -!- DennisTT [~den@S010600062579d782.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00 -!- ceej [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:00 -!- ceej [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 04:00 < ceej> doh 04:01 -!- ceej_ [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 04:01 -!- ceej [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:01 -!- ceej_ is now known as ceej 04:02 < Paul> hmm 04:02 < Paul> I wonder about the reliability of mywebalert.com 04:02 -!- ceej [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:02 -!- ceej [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 04:02 < Paul> It just emailed me to notify me a website I once had listed is 'available'... it hasn't been available in a year. 04:03 -!- ceej_ [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 04:03 -!- ceej [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:04 -!- ceej [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 04:04 -!- ceej_ [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:04 * jadoba back to bed, so hosts get built without missing parts because of a sleepy technician 04:05 -!- ceej [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:05 < purrdeta> night jadoba! Thanks again :) 04:05 < Paul> heh, "PSU? What do we need that for? Why, we'll just solder this directly to the 5v rail..." 04:07 -!- ceej [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 04:07 < ceej> wow my wifi is playing up :/ 04:07 < Paul> and whooooo 04:08 < Paul> the missus just got home, says there's a bakery opening just around the corner 04:08 < Paul> fresh pies for dinner, hoorah! 04:08 -!- cactuskid [~8e2e0606@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:09 < ceej> does anyone know if any Fremont servers are coming up anytime soon ? 04:09 < djweezy> NEVAH 04:09 < ceej> lol 04:09 < mikegrb> lolz 04:11 < ceej> anyone? 04:12 < Internat> ceej: all the admins are asleep 04:12 < Internat> but i believe there waiting for freemont to supply more power 04:12 < ceej> Ye i should be too lol 04:12 < mikegrb> lolz 04:13 < ceej> anyone switch over from slicehost ? 04:13 < Internat> i think a few people have, but i coudlnt mention anyone specificly.. 04:13 < ceej> hmmm, I'll come back in the morning. late 04:13 -!- ceej [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ceej] 04:20 -!- djweezy [djweezy@weezy.us] has left #linode [] 04:28 -!- Kassah [~kassah@24-116-150-254.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:33 -!- rick111_afk is now known as rick111 04:33 < rick111> are the servers running slow for anyone? 04:37 < rick111> just like pings an that 04:39 -!- ericgu [~79ed0819@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:47 < StevenK> Which servers? 04:51 < rick111> no matter 04:57 -!- rick111 is now known as rick111_afk 05:00 -!- PAtrik is now known as PAtrik|off 05:14 < Paul> Ahh. 05:14 < Paul> I know they're only people just like me working in call centres, but damn, it can be fun to stir those cold-callers up. 05:15 * Paul just tried to convince a landline phone service provider to churn his VoIP service over... Oh, wait, what's that? You can't? Unknown error? I wonder why! 05:15 < kinema> Paul: It's not nice to taunt the monkeys. 05:16 < StevenK> Haha 05:17 -!- el_syn [~syn@starbuck.packetjockey.com] has joined #linode 05:27 < Paul> well, heh, if you're stupid enough to call a voip line and offer me a far far far crappier deal... you deserve it. 05:29 -!- Tallo [~meer@rigel.nutomix.com] has joined #linode 05:30 -!- PAtrik|off is now known as PAtrik 05:36 -!- ramis [~4e591b52@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 05:37 < ramis> hello, my linode server is using over 2MBs and 20 GB in the past few hours..plus i am unable to access it due to slowness....i am the only user on the system....please advice...URGENT 05:37 -!- kinema [~voxadam@pool-71-111-48-241.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: kinema] 05:38 < StevenK> Can you access it via lish? 05:39 < ramis> i am trying...but its damn slow!! 05:39 -!- voxadam [~voxadam@pool-71-111-48-241.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #linode 05:39 < ramis> i did reboot just to get a break minute of logging but not working.. 05:39 < Dave> ramis: you mean your bandwidth useage has gone through the roof? 05:40 < ramis> yes......plus i cant access it thru any method....ssh, lish....etc 05:40 < Paul> ramis: What DC? 05:41 < Paul> And, what host? 05:41 < ramis> my account is in fremont and is a 500RAM 05:41 -!- voxadam [~voxadam@pool-71-111-48-241.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [] 05:41 < Paul> Ah. I did read something earlier about issues with Fremont servers. 05:41 < Paul> If you're concerned, I'd suggest logging a ticket and shutting down your Linode. 05:42 -!- voxadam [~voxadam@pool-71-111-48-241.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #linode 05:42 < ramis> i cant shutdown and even reboot from the www.linode.com......but its not helping 05:43 < ramis> where can i get and read updates on the host location..... 05:46 -!- ramis [~4e591b52@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC 0.5.6 (2005/02/09)] 05:46 -!- ramis [~something@78.89.27.82] has joined #linode 05:46 < ramis> i am back again...... 05:46 < ramis> so where can i hear about troubels in the service? 05:48 < ramis> hello....anyone facing issues accessing fremont servers!! 05:48 < ramis> \ 05:49 < ramis> anyone home?! 05:49 < encode> ramis: can you provide a traceroute? use the linode pastebin so you don't flood the channel 05:50 < ramis> you mean from my current location ? as i still cant access my linode server. 05:50 < encode> yes, from your current location 05:51 < ramis> whats link for linode pastebin 05:52 < ramis> got it 05:52 < encode> i can access my fremont linode just fine, but i'm connecting from australia 05:52 < encode> p.linode.com 05:53 < fuzzie> well, if the linode is using huge amounts of bandwidth, it sounds more like it might've been hacked/similar than just connectivity issues 05:53 < ramis> i am connecting from ME 05:53 < encode> fuzzie: ahh, good point - i just read the scrollbuffer then 05:54 < encode> ramis: connect to your linode using lish (see the web interface on how to use it) and check what processes are running, check your logs, etc for any unusual activity 05:54 < ramis> i cant even get in from the web!! lish is not working too 05:55 < ramis> my pastebin http://pastebin.linode.com/1103 05:56 < encode> then how do you know how much bandwidth its using? 05:56 < fuzzie> ramis: do you mean the web lish interface, or can you not access the linode.com members area at all? 05:56 < ramis> i am on my www.linode.com.....i can access that....but can not do lish or console 05:57 < encode> your traceroute has a lot of timed out requests, plus some pretty slow response times 05:57 < ramis> i know.... 05:57 < fuzzie> the ssh server on the linode seems responsive enough, very quick to ask for a password, which is not normal for a heavily-loaded node. 05:57 < ramis> but other than trying my linode ...trace route works fine. 05:58 < ramis> hmmmm.... 05:58 < encode> ramis: have you logged a ticket regarding your inability to use lish? 05:58 < ramis> i just did that....its so slow. 05:58 < ramis> i get connection lost or time out..... 05:58 < encode> i wouldn't use the web version of lish unless you really had to 05:59 < ramis> i cant even use that.... 05:59 < encode> try connecting to username@host (as per the console section of linode manager) 06:06 < Internat> so out of interest fellow geeks. 06:06 < Internat> what would be the easiest way to replace all instances of say ###HOSTNAME### in a file via bash. 06:06 < Internat> with something else. 06:06 < StevenK> sed 06:07 < Internat> im assuming something like cat file | sed > file 06:07 -!- ramis [~something@78.89.27.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:07 < StevenK> sed -e "s/###HOSTNAME###//g" < file > outfile 06:07 < Internat> can file and outfile be the same? 06:07 < Internat> or do i have to put it to a tmp file first 06:07 < StevenK> No, then you'll overwrite it 06:08 < StevenK> You can either use sponge, or a temporary file 06:08 < encode> i've only seen sed used to output to a tmp file first 06:08 < Internat> i want to overwrite it.. 06:08 < Internat> sponge? 06:08 < StevenK> sponge (1) - soak up standard input and write to a file 06:08 < Internat> ah 06:08 < encode> cool 06:08 < encode> never heard of it before 06:08 < Internat> thats ok, guess i can use tmpfile 06:08 < StevenK> It's in moreutils in Ubuntu/Debian 06:09 -!- Tallo [~meer@rigel.nutomix.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 06:10 -!- ramis [~something@78.89.27.82] has joined #linode 06:10 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@78-105-8-188.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:10 -!- Tallo [~meer@rigel.nutomix.com] has joined #linode 06:20 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: If you ask you know I don't mind kneeling, but when my knees hurt, I'd like to stand.] 06:26 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #linode 06:29 < Internat> does aptitude support a way of installing the packages and doing all config setup later? 06:30 < Internat> ie, i have all my config files already built, i just want to install the pacakges. and then i'll load my config in and start things. 06:31 < Internat> i want an install now, config later kinda thing :) 06:31 < Dave> dont think so 06:32 < Dave> just disable the services after they have installed? 06:34 < Internat> i dont want aptitude to prompt. i just want it to install everything.. (building an automated server builder) 06:36 < Dave> probably an option for that 06:36 < Dave> I dont use aptitude 06:37 < Internat> yeah that option is what im trying to find 06:37 < Dave> \fB-y\fR, \fB--assume-yes\fR 06:37 < Internat> well thats part of it, but when it prompts you for entry.. 06:38 < Internat> assume-yes isnt going to sort that out. 06:39 < Dave> hmmm 06:41 < Dave> the man page isnt helping here 06:44 < Dave> Internat: you sure it wont just do the default config? the man page implise it will 06:48 -!- rick111_afk is now known as rick111 06:48 < rick111> i've been talking to some of my home boys 06:48 < rick111> what's linux arch like in comparison to ubuntu, say for running on your laptop? 06:49 < rick111> what one is more x86 compatabile etc... 06:49 -!- Eman [OHGODHOW@dyn216-8-163-175.ADSL.mnsi.net] has quit [Quit: so i herd u liek mudkips?] 06:50 -!- Eman [OHGODHOW@dyn216-8-163-175.ADSL.mnsi.net] has joined #linode 06:50 < Dave> rick111: that makes no sense 06:50 < rick111> hummm 06:50 < Dave> they are both as x86 compatible as each other 06:50 < rick111> ah ok 06:51 < rick111> so moving on, which one is best? 06:51 < rick111> which one do you prefer? 06:51 < encode> SPARC baby 06:51 < rick111> between arch and ubuntu, in a desktop enviro 06:52 < Dave> ubuntu 06:52 < Dave> im lazy 06:52 < rick111> ahhh, so is arch more hard core? 06:52 < rick111> not as easy to pick up? i guess im after ease of use 06:52 -!- voxadam [~voxadam@pool-71-111-48-241.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #linode [] 06:52 < rick111> i want to look hard, but without any effort 06:52 -!- row [row@who.br0ke.me.uk] has quit [] 06:54 -!- PeteB [~d4dbfcf1@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 06:55 -!- [Dave]Dave [~Dave@pool-141-152-143-219.norf.east.verizon.net] has joined #linode 06:57 -!- row [row@who.br0ke.me.uk] has joined #linode 06:58 < rick111> humm 06:58 < rick111> bye 06:58 -!- rick111 is now known as rick111_afk 07:19 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #linode 07:26 < Internat> i shall give it a whirl and see what happens really 07:34 -!- metaperl [~metaperl@cpe-75-187-102-204.insight.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 07:35 -!- xitology [~xi@golovko1.donbass.com] has joined #linode 07:37 -!- r3z` [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #linode 07:43 -!- r3z [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:50 -!- ondrej [~ondra@ip4-83-240-41-73.cust.nbox.cz] has joined #linode 07:56 < Dave> Internat: best plan really 08:01 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 08:05 -!- Sindacious [~Xenu@c-68-51-216-181.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linode 08:10 < Internat> well my linode auto deployment script is getting there.. 08:16 < Dave> Internat: does --assume-yes work? 08:18 < StevenK> Internat: Linode auto deployment? 08:24 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:28 < Internat> im not sure havnt tested it yet.. 08:28 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s106.cinergycom.net] has joined #linode 08:28 < Internat> StevenK: i run a small hosting company, and im about to rebuild my servers with a new setup.. figured id make a script that i can run on a base linode install and it builds and configures everything for me :) 08:29 < Internat> in theory if i got really good, id make something that created linodes with the API, set them up configured them and that.. but at the moment its manual up until the point of booting the base debian install :) 08:29 < Internat> after that my script should take care of most things.. 08:29 < Internat> well atleast tahts the plan anyway :) 08:32 < Internat> but on that note, its my bed time.. 08:32 -!- Mojo1978 [~Mojo1978@ip-78-94-125-184.hsi.ish.de] has joined #linode 08:36 -!- mendel [kiwi@76-10-159-31.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:37 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has joined #linode 08:55 -!- Sindacious [~Xenu@c-68-51-216-181.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:00 -!- Sindacious [~Xenu@c-68-51-216-181.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linode 09:05 -!- Mojo1978 [~Mojo1978@ip-78-94-125-184.hsi.ish.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:06 -!- Bass10 [~fake@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #linode 09:10 -!- onnet5 [~5ad47bd6@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 09:10 < onnet5> Hey all 09:18 -!- jcn [~jcn@207-237-244-88.c3-0.nyw-ubr2.nyr-nyw.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #linode 09:24 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s106.cinergycom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:25 < onnet5> Uhhh, how do you get wget onto your linode? 09:26 < Nivex> which distro? 09:26 < onnet5> Ubuntu 09:26 < Dave> they should all have it... 09:26 < Dave> apt-get install wget 09:26 < Nivex> aptitude install wget 09:26 < onnet5> I see...Ohhh is apt already on it? 09:27 < Nivex> yes 09:27 < Dave> you would hope so :) 09:27 < onnet5> Ahh I thought I had to download that 09:27 < straterra> eh 09:27 < onnet5> Would you say it's better than yum? 09:27 < straterra> No. 09:27 < MrRx7> lol, apt-get apt-get lolol 09:27 < mikegrb> lolz 09:27 < straterra> Not to me 09:27 < Nivex> It's a matter of opinion. I prefer apt over yum. 09:27 < Dave> I dont like yum 09:27 < straterra> I don't prefer either :) 09:27 < onnet5> I see 09:27 < onnet5> Does one have more packages than the other? 09:28 < straterra> I guess it would all depend on the repo 09:28 < Dave> MrRx7: it would be apt-get install apt-get ;) 09:28 < MrRx7> this is true 09:28 < onnet5> :P 09:28 < StevenK> It would actually be apt-get install apt 09:29 < MrRx7> heh, friend of mine modified apt'd source for a little fun when you tried to apt-get install vista 09:29 < onnet5> Lol 09:29 < mikegrb> lolz 09:30 < onnet5> 280mb of dependancies for KDE 09:30 < onnet5> Wow... 09:30 < caker> !coffee 09:30 * linbot dispenses coffee 09:30 < onnet5> Wait, what's best for remote desktopping ubuntu? 09:30 < MrRx7> CLI :p 09:30 < onnet5> o.O 09:31 < Dave> buahaha 09:31 < onnet5> 48.5kb/s 09:31 < onnet5> *flex* 09:31 < MrRx7> only 48.5 lol? 09:31 < mikegrb> lolz 09:31 < onnet5> 766kb/s now 09:31 < onnet5> 110kb/s 09:32 < onnet5> Keeps changing, tiny files. 09:32 < MrRx7> ah indeed 09:32 < onnet5> Why what speeds you normally get? 09:33 < MrRx7> depends on the size, but its common to get in the mb range 09:33 < onnet5> Very nice. 09:33 < onnet5> Would you say there's a best datacentre? 09:34 < onnet5> I'm using Newark 09:34 < MrRx7> I'm on Dallas and Atlanta, both work fine for me 09:34 < MrRx7> when we're not being DDoS 'd 09:34 < onnet5> Rofl 09:34 < mikegrb> roflz 09:36 -!- robg_ [~robg@c-24-61-142-198.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 09:37 -!- mendel [~rich@TOROON12-1279379717.sdsl.bell.ca] has joined #linode 09:38 -!- robg [~robg@c-24-61-142-198.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #linode 09:38 < HoopyCat> hmmm, clean bathroom and kitchen or raid the petty cash and build a new amplifier 09:39 < Dave> amp 09:41 < HoopyCat> i won't be satisfied until i break the record for hottest object on my desk (100% duty cycle category) 09:41 < HoopyCat> (currently, my lamp, at 110C) 09:41 < onnet5> Rofl 09:41 < mikegrb> roflz 09:42 < MrRx7> Should just go right for thermite then :-p 09:43 < HoopyCat> MrRx7: alas, $InsuranceCo won't let me store, handle, or use thermite near any insured structures on the property any more. 09:43 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s236.cinergycom.net] has joined #linode 09:43 < MrRx7> I would only hope a insurance company would say no to such things :) 09:44 -!- ramis [~something@78.89.27.82] has quit [] 09:44 < MrRx7> Altho, the though of a block of themite eating its way down a entire rack of servers seems somehow. enjoyable 09:44 < MrRx7> Assuming I'm not the one who has to fix them 09:44 -!- internat1 [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #linode 09:45 -!- Internat [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:47 < HoopyCat> how come i always end up with the stick-in-the-mud, worry-walrus insurance companies? fedex somehow managed to get approval to let pax wander through one of their airbeese at the airshow, and those things aren't built for the wanderings of random people. 09:48 < HoopyCat> yet, somehow, my hydrazine tank has to go. 09:48 -!- TJF [~TJF_GN@pat.foulston.com] has joined #linode 09:48 < TJF> oh noes, it's a woot-off 09:49 < charlie> HoopyCat: hide your stuff next time 09:50 < onnet5> No idea what you're talking about 09:50 < HoopyCat> TJF: woot won't rest until every man, woman, and child has at least two roombas and a dyson! 09:50 < el_syn> hydrazine is rocket fuel according to wikipedia 09:50 < el_syn> also hello intertubes 09:51 < TJF> lmao 09:51 < HoopyCat> el_syn: yeah, that's one use for it 09:51 < TJF> HoopyCat: don't forget mp3 player 09:51 < TJF> HoopyCat: my BOC was a pioneer 5.1 surround sound system 09:52 -!- lakin [~lakin@S01060013101832cd.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #linode 09:52 < HoopyCat> TJF: ooh, niiice 09:53 < onnet5> ^^ 10:02 -!- Oejet [~user@243-128.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #linode 10:02 < onnet5> Ok I wanna remote desktop my Ubuntu 10:02 < onnet5> What programs I need? apt-get doesn't find vncserver 10:02 < onnet5> so I presume it uses something different? 10:03 < straterra> maybe tightvnc ? 10:03 < mikegrb> you will need to uncomment the universe repo line in /etc/apt/sources.list 10:04 < onnet5> Right...And that will do what? 10:04 < mikegrb> allow apt to see the vncserver package 10:05 < onnet5> I see... 10:05 < straterra> Silly ubuntu 10:06 < onnet5> ;O 10:06 < BubbleWrap> Ubuntu o.o 10:06 < onnet5> Pressing I does some silly thing in editor 10:06 < onnet5> What's the key in Ubuntu for allowing input 10:06 < tsp> onnet5: wha editor 10:07 < tsp> wha* 10:07 < tsp> what* 10:08 < MrRx7> I would guess VI 10:08 < straterra> prolly elvis or vim 10:08 < Tallo> you might want to install nano if you want an easier to use editor 10:08 < onnet5> Yea just vi 10:08 < MrRx7> nano should be installed by deafult on 8.10 10:08 < MrRx7> ubuntu anyways 10:08 < straterra> its not vi o.O 10:09 < onnet5> Well the code vi 10:09 < onnet5> To edit a file 10:09 < BubbleWrap> nano <3 10:09 < MrRx7> prob "insert" if he's using vi 10:10 < onnet5> I used to press I and it'd enter --Insert-- 10:10 < onnet5> But it's just being weird 10:11 < HoopyCat> you probably want lower-case i 10:11 < onnet5> Not in caps lock 10:12 -!- jcn [~jcn@207-237-244-88.c3-0.nyw-ubr2.nyr-nyw.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.6 -- Are we there yet?] 10:12 < onnet5> AH! 10:12 < onnet5> Just got an email: Your Linode, linode11149, has exceeded the notification threshold for disk io rate by averaging 472.53 for the last 2 hours 10:12 < onnet5> O.O 10:12 < onnet5> Is that bad? 10:13 < HoopyCat> not necessarily. :-) just a notification in case you weren't expecting to be using a lot of I/O 10:13 < HoopyCat> as you're installing packages and all sortsa other stuff, you can safely ignore it; if you continue getting them after you're "done", you can adjust the thresholds 10:14 < onnet5> Oh ok 10:14 < onnet5> Hmm still can't edit this file 10:14 -!- Internat [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #linode 10:15 -!- internat1 [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:17 < onnet5> Keeps giving me A B C D when I press my arrow keys too 10:18 < HoopyCat> arrow keys? in vi? 10:18 < onnet5> Yea I use them to move the cursor 10:18 < HoopyCat> weird 10:18 < onnet5> Or did... 10:19 < HoopyCat> are the normal movement keys (hjkl) working ok? 10:19 < onnet5> Yes, but it's only when I press I 10:19 < onnet5> That they do it 10:20 < tjfontaine> use screen 10:21 < SpaceHobo> onnet5: you may find nano easier to use than vi 10:22 < onnet5> How do I use nano? 10:22 < SpaceHobo> how did you start vi? 10:22 < onnet5> vi was real simple before...But it's different since I moved here o.O 10:22 < onnet5> vi filename 10:22 < SpaceHobo> well if you're familiar with vim, I suggest 'sudo apt-get install vim' 10:22 < guinea-pig> (why vi and not vim?) 10:22 < onnet5> Always have used vi 10:22 < SpaceHobo> that should give you the full vim and not the tiny one that ships stock 10:22 < SpaceHobo> guinea-pig: because they're one and the same? 10:23 < guinea-pig> SpaceHobo: i thought it behaved differently when called as 'vi' 10:23 < SpaceHobo> anyplace where vi isn't vim is broken and needs to be fixed. This is 208, not 1998. 10:23 < guinea-pig> like bash when invoked as sh 10:23 < SpaceHobo> 2008 even 10:23 * syntaxman gets frustrated using nano 10:23 < SpaceHobo> syntaxman: so do I. 10:23 < guinea-pig> gqap 10:23 < BubbleWrap> nano <33 10:24 < onnet5> Aha apt-getting vim works now 10:24 < guinea-pig> i totally forget where i learned 'gqap' from, but it's one of my favourite vim-isms 10:24 < SpaceHobo> what does 'ap' do? 10:24 < SpaceHobo> also I remap gq back to Q 10:25 < SpaceHobo> because FFS, I don't need a vi hotkey to go to ex mode. If I'm going to go to ex mode I will type :ex 10:25 < onnet5> Still can't find vncserver with it anyway 10:25 < SpaceHobo> onnet5: I'm not going to comment on the absurdity of wanting a GUI on a linode 10:25 < onnet5> :) 10:25 < onnet5> I just...Do ^^ 10:26 < HoopyCat> it's your bandwidth :-) 10:26 < guinea-pig> it reformats the connected lines to a full textwidth wrapped paragraph 10:26 < onnet5> Yes, exactly :D 10:26 < guinea-pig> stopping at whitespace lines 10:26 < onnet5> See, I'm no pro at using ssh 10:26 < onnet5> So I wouldn't know what to do for most things 10:26 < guinea-pig> i don't exactly know how, i'm not a vim expert :P 10:26 < SpaceHobo> guinea-pig: ah, 'at paragraph' maybe 10:27 < syntaxman> onnet5: Now is a great time to learn :-) 10:27 < guinea-pig> aha 10:27 < onnet5> Like say if I started running an app...Say a download manager 10:27 < guinea-pig> but it's a nice touch for finishing up an email 10:27 < SpaceHobo> guinea-pig: anyway, gq accepts any movement key of course. gggqG reformats the whole file, for example 10:27 < onnet5> I wouldn't have any idea on how to use that manager via ssh 10:27 < SpaceHobo> guinea-pig: and gq3} reformats the next three paragraphs 10:27 < HoopyCat> onnet5: what's a download manager? 10:27 < SpaceHobo> onnet5: what? a download manager? wtf is that? 10:28 < onnet5> Uhh, a program that you use for downloading things. 10:28 < SpaceHobo> you mean like wget? 10:28 < HoopyCat> onnet5: like wget? :-) 10:28 < onnet5> Yea 10:28 < onnet5> Like wget 10:28 < syntaxman> That's a boss who micro-manages your inet use 10:28 < SpaceHobo> um, you type 'wget http://rasher.dk/r/linode-dns ' 10:28 < SpaceHobo> and it Just Works 10:29 < onnet5> I know that 10:29 < SpaceHobo> so what needs *managing*? 10:29 < onnet5> Hmm I have a good example to use. 10:29 < HoopyCat> 10:29:15 (3.87 MB/s) - `linux-2.6.26.tar.bz2' saved [49441874/49441874] 10:29 < SpaceHobo> You'd better. 10:29 < onnet5> You'd need some sorta torrent client. 10:29 < HoopyCat> if it takes more than 15 seconds, i go grab some water :-) 10:29 < onnet5> Stupid thing 10:29 < onnet5> Torrents: How would that be used on wget? 10:30 < SpaceHobo> well you'd run btlaunchmanycurses in a screen session 10:30 < SpaceHobo> and then wget the .torrent files into the directory you specified 10:30 < guinea-pig> i don't see anyone named Torrents here 10:30 < SpaceHobo> me, I use rtorrent 10:30 < HoopyCat> onnet5: i believe there to be a command-line bittorrent client out there 10:30 < onnet5> Haha guinea, shush, Im not an irc nerd :P 10:30 < SpaceHobo> I believe there to be many. 10:30 < onnet5> Right I see... 10:30 < StevenK> Bah, SpaceHobo beat me 10:30 < SpaceHobo> onnet5: did you just call guinea-pig a nerd? 10:30 * guinea-pig shrugs 10:31 < onnet5> No ofc not :) 10:31 * guinea-pig must leave for work 10:31 < HoopyCat> totally different class of application; wget is "download then quit", bittorrent is "download then quit after uploading a bunch" 10:31 < onnet5> Yea. 10:32 < SpaceHobo> right, so you want to run it in a screen session 10:32 < onnet5> Ugh 10:32 < onnet5> I type a message 10:32 < onnet5> And it dont send 10:32 < onnet5> Ok so how about if I wanted to download a file. And in the middle of it I quit the ssh console. 10:32 < SpaceHobo> onnet5: that's what screen is for 10:32 < onnet5> Then I re entered ssh, how would I check the progress? 10:32 < SpaceHobo> onnet5: screen -RAD 10:32 < SpaceHobo> apt-get install screen 10:32 < onnet5> Ok. 10:32 < onnet5> That a command I type? 10:32 < SpaceHobo> yep 10:32 < onnet5> Agh 10:33 < SpaceHobo> it starts a session that you can detach, make multiple windows, etc 10:33 < onnet5> Ignore that...Sorry, the messages came out in different ordered to what I typed. 10:33 < HoopyCat> screen is one of the best-kept secrets of modern *nix CLI environments 10:33 < onnet5> Orders* 10:33 < SpaceHobo> http://jmcpherson.org/screen.html <-- onnet5 10:33 < SpaceHobo> I always do 'screen -RAD' 10:33 < onnet5> Right. 10:33 < onnet5> And that does what? 10:34 < guinea-pig> it does RAD stuff 10:34 < onnet5> Grrr 10:34 < guinea-pig> HoopyCat: who keeps it a secret? 10:34 < onnet5> Ok so how about if I wanted to download a file. And in the middle of it I quit the ssh console. 10:34 < HoopyCat> guinea-pig: we do we do 10:34 < onnet5> Wth...My message appeared 10:34 < onnet5> Like...5 minutes after I typed 10:34 -!- daMaestro [~jon@content.beatport.com] has joined #linode 10:34 < SpaceHobo> onnet5: it reconnects to the existing session, or creates one if none exists yet 10:35 < onnet5> Right ok, so I type screen -RAD and then do my download. 10:35 < HoopyCat> the -D and -R: If a session is running, then reattach. If necessary detach and logout remotely first. If it was not running create it and notify the user. the -A: Adapt the sizes of all windows to the size of the current terminal. 10:35 < onnet5> Then I can quit ssh, come back, type it again, and check the progress? 10:35 < caker> RTFA 10:35 < SpaceHobo> onnet5: Totally. 10:35 < SpaceHobo> onnet5: read the article I linked you to 10:35 < onnet5> Ahh nice. 10:35 < onnet5> I like that :) 10:36 < onnet5> Will do. 10:36 < SpaceHobo> http://jmcpherson.org/screen.html <-- onnet5, still, and he should read it 10:36 < guinea-pig> SpaceHobo: do you ever get tired of telling people about screen? 10:37 -!- linville [~linville@rrcs-96-10-73-236.se.biz.rr.com] has joined #linode 10:39 < onnet5> Yea that's extremely useful. 10:40 -!- skule [~svs@cpe.atm2-0-12843.0x50a66336.arcnxx10.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:41 < HoopyCat> 15s to download kernel, 1m5s to untar kernel, 4m48s to compile kernel. computer needs coffee. 10:42 < SpaceHobo> heh 10:42 -!- internat1 [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #linode 10:42 -!- Internat [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42 < SpaceHobo> onnet5: I think that you'll find that learning to do things The SysAdmin Way will be quite rewarding. The fact that you've already got a working knowledge of vim is pretty encouraging there. 10:44 -!- jcn [~jcn@rrcs-208-105-67-138.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #linode 10:45 < path-> poll: do you guys have one screen running at a time with many windows or a couple screens to see things at the same time? or a couple terms connected to the same screen on different windows? 10:46 < HoopyCat> one screen, one maximized putty window 10:46 * path- just has one screen in one term connected to a few sessions 10:46 < path-> i've got another term windows with a bunch of tabs to other systems though 10:47 < HoopyCat> yeah, if i'm connecting to another system, i'll putty into there 10:47 < path-> was thinking i need to learn some screenrc-fu or something 10:47 < Clorith> lots of putty's here 10:48 < onnet5> Right, so when you detach screen, all those screens close? 10:49 < path-> if you have one putty session connected to one screen, and you type ctrl-a d, then you detach your current screen 10:49 < HoopyCat> onnet5: nope! they stay up. that's the magic. :-) 10:49 < onnet5> Actually no, nevermind, how do I close a screen? 10:49 < path-> you'll still have putty connected to the system, but your screens are running in the background 10:49 < HoopyCat> 10:49 Irssi uptime: 15d 1h 57m 34s 10:49 < Clorith> close, or detach ? 10:49 < HoopyCat> *purr* 10:49 < onnet5> Close, so it doesnt exist 10:49 < path-> you'd have to close each window inside the screen 10:49 < HoopyCat> onnet5: if you want it to go away, just log out of the shell you created (exit, ^D, whatever) 10:49 < path-> hitting ctrl-d or exit in bash will close that session 10:50 < path-> and the window will close 10:50 < path-> when all the windows are gone, screen will exit 10:52 < onnet5> Ohhh yea 10:52 < onnet5> Wow this is good. 10:53 < onnet5> Awesome :) 10:53 < Clorith> heh, we could probably make BubbleWrap do a screen with auto-execute of rm -rf on open :P 10:53 < Hobbsee> now there's a good idea. 10:56 -!- internat1 [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:56 -!- Internat [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #linode 10:57 < SpaceHobo> #!/bin/rm 10:58 < MrRx7> rm -r /*.* :-p 10:58 < Clorith> so many fun variations, all leading to a catastrophe :P 10:59 < BubbleWrap> o.o 10:59 < BubbleWrap> that ones cute 10:59 < Hobbsee> why don't you try it? 10:59 < MrRx7> Another fun one would be mv -r -f /*.* /tmp/*.* 10:59 < scorche|sh> man rm 10:59 < MrRx7> I belive, is the correct syntax for catastrophe 10:59 * BubbleWrap isnt trying anything anymore >.< 10:59 < scorche|sh> man mv 10:59 < MrRx7> lol 10:59 < mikegrb> lolz 11:03 < jetlag> apostrophe ' catastrophe ,,,^..^,,, 11:05 -!- Nickolai [~Nickolai@213.170.68.162] has joined #linode 11:05 < Nickolai> Hello 11:05 < SpaceHobo> MrRx7: heh yours is nice because it wouldn't do anything on most systems 11:05 < SpaceHobo> MrRx7: all yuo'd blow away is like the initrd.img symlinks of yore 11:06 < SpaceHobo> /initrd.img@ /initrd.img.old@ /vmlinuz.old@ 11:06 < tjfontaine> indeed 11:06 < SpaceHobo> ^-- the only thing that matches /*.* 11:06 < StevenK> sudo find . -type d -exec chmod 0000 {} \; 11:07 < StevenK> Er, s^.^/^ 11:08 < Nickolai> I'm considering using linode and I have a question. I've just watched the lish flick where the guy logs in via ssh and disables the ssh daemon. How does he log in next time? I mean, he is using ssh, doesn't he? 11:08 < SpaceHobo> Nickolai: he's using linode's host ssh daemon, not the guest daemon 11:08 < bd_> Nickolai: lish runs on the host, so disabling ssh inside your linode doesn't affect lish access 11:08 < SpaceHobo> Nickolai: lish is separate from the guest's sshd 11:09 < Nickolai> But it answers on the same ip? 11:09 < SpaceHobo> Nickolai: it's basically your linode's local console 11:09 < SpaceHobo> Nickolai: no it diesn't 11:09 < SpaceHobo> er, doesn't 11:09 < bd_> different IP, usually different subnet even :) 11:10 < SpaceHobo> and there's also the ajaxterminal over SSL thing too 11:11 < Nickolai> Is there one lish per physical or virtual server? 11:12 < StevenK> Nickolai: One lish per virtual server 11:12 < Nickolai> uh huh 11:12 < StevenK> The username (and possibly host) is different for each Linode 11:12 < Nickolai> okay thank you 11:12 < Hobbsee> you use username@hostXX.place.linode.com for lish 11:12 < SpaceHobo> the username is unique to the linode, but the host is shared with other linodes running on that host 11:12 -!- elhippo [~elhippo@c-98-195-101-68.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #linode 11:13 < Nickolai> I see 11:13 < Hobbsee> or whatever it ends up being 11:13 -!- exor|zzz is now known as exor674 11:15 -!- Nickolai [~Nickolai@213.170.68.162] has quit [Quit: Nickolai] 11:15 -!- lakin [~lakin@S01060013101832cd.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:15 -!- lakin [~lakin@S01060013101832cd.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #linode 11:16 -!- GMFlash [~GMFlash@cpe-71-72-7-90.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: GMFlash] 11:17 -!- lakin [~lakin@S01060013101832cd.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [] 11:17 -!- lakin [~lakin@S01060013101832cd.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #linode 11:21 -!- internat1 [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #linode 11:21 -!- Internat [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:24 -!- Nickolai [~Nickolai@213.170.68.162] has joined #linode 11:25 -!- Nickolai [~Nickolai@213.170.68.162] has quit [] 11:26 -!- mendel [~rich@TOROON12-1279379717.sdsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: mendel] 11:32 < straterra> jadoba: ping 11:32 -!- mendel [~rich@TOROON12-1279379717.sdsl.bell.ca] has joined #linode 11:32 < jadoba> straterra: hi 11:32 < straterra> Hello. 11:33 < straterra> How would I go about shrinking it? 11:33 -!- binel [~h00s@78-0-223-146.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:33 < straterra> I'm using less than that in my linode 11:33 -!- linville [~linville@rrcs-96-10-73-236.se.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:35 -!- binel [~h00s@78-2-253-211.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #linode 11:35 < jadoba> in your linode's dashboard, shut down your linode, wait for it to complete shutting down and then click 'Image Options', to the right of the disk image which you want to shrink 11:36 < jadoba> it should be self-explanitory after that 11:37 -!- Kassah [~kassah@24-116-150-254.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #linode 11:39 < Nivex> charm.oftc.net (Freemont, CA, USA) 11:39 < Nivex> methinks there's one too many 'e's in there 11:40 < tjfontaine> it's Free from linode :) 11:41 < onnet5> I'm off for a bit, see ya :) 11:41 -!- onnet5 [~5ad47bd6@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:46 -!- Internat [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #linode 11:46 -!- internat1 [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:47 < BubbleWrap> guys 11:47 < BubbleWrap> linode bills on the 1st, right? 11:47 < tjfontaine> yes 11:47 < BubbleWrap> kk 11:49 < cruxeternus> Better mow a couple of lawns real quick. 11:49 -!- `James [~James@host81-159-131-101.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #linode 11:49 < `James> Hey 11:49 < Dave> BubbleWrap: I bill on the 31st for my support 11:49 < Dave> btw, you owe me $20 this month 11:50 < `James> lol 11:50 < mikegrb> lolz 11:50 < `James> Is it possible, (And I'm using debian if it makes a difference) to assign a directory to a user, and only THAT user can view the contents? 11:52 < anderiv> `James: sure 11:52 < anderiv> `James: that's pretty basic to the *nix permissions system. 11:53 < SpaceHobo> you can do that with 6th edition unix in 1972 11:53 < DeepInTheFire> `James: chmod 700 11:54 < DeepInTheFire> if you want the user to have full read/write execute 11:54 < anderiv> `James: yes, what DeepInTheFire said. You also need to make sure that user is the owner of the file. 11:54 < DeepInTheFire> yeah that helps too 11:54 -!- PeteB [~d4dbfcf1@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:55 < anderiv> !google unix permissions tutorial 11:55 < PAtrik> Results for unix permissions tutorial on Google: 11:55 < PAtrik> http://hladaj.atlas.sk/fulltext/?page=1&phrase=lgnet&stem=1&acc=1 11:55 < PAtrik> http://php.biz.net.id/manual/sk/tutorial.firstpage.php 11:55 < PAtrik> http://doc.ubuntu.com/~jjesse/ubuntu-doc/branches/dapper/xubuntu/desktopguide/sk/introduction.xml 11:55 < HoopyCat> "Gary Archibald, Weathercaster" 11:55 < linbot> anderiv: Search took 0.16 seconds: UNIX File Permissions Tutorial: ; Understanding permissions: ; Tutorial for chmod: ; UNIX permissions and chmod tutorial: ; Understanding UNIX permissions and chmod: (2 more messages) 11:55 < PAtrik> -- 11:55 < HoopyCat> definitely on the top 10 list of good TV meterologist names for bald guys 11:55 -!- straterra [~straterra@projectstfu.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:55 < BubbleWrap> lol 11:55 < mikegrb> lolz 12:02 -!- internat1 [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #linode 12:02 -!- Internat [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:02 < `James> ok i did that fine 12:02 < `James> now my other question is: I added a user so /home/username but how can i make it so they can only view /home/username 12:02 < `James> and not root 12:02 -!- n5thx [trey@cqtopia.com] has joined #linode 12:03 < `James> do i just do chmod 700 / 12:03 < `James> as root 12:04 < Solver> no do not mess with the permissions on / 12:04 < Solver> in particular do not to chmod 700 / 12:05 < `James> but can /home/users delete or edit root files? 12:05 < Solver> to prevent them accessing directories ourside their $HOME you can use what is called a "chroot" 12:05 < Solver> `James: only if the permissions on files allowed them to and the defaults will not do this 12:06 < Solver> users can normally create/delete their own files in /tmp & /var/tmp 12:06 < `James> ill try chroot 12:06 < Solver> this is normal 12:06 < Solver> the mail files are normally in /var/mail or /var/spool/mail (usually the same place these days) 12:07 < Solver> otherwise they normally can't write to files outside $HOME 12:07 < Solver> they can often read files though, which is where a chroot comes in 12:07 < Solver> note a chroot does not offer high security. if you want serious security to limit users there are more complex options but they don't necessarily work with Xen 12:07 < HoopyCat> ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD 12:07 < `James> I'll follow http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted_ssh_howto_debian 12:08 < Solver> I for one welcome our new reptilian overlords 12:08 < HoopyCat> ... sorry, video got in my audio again. 12:08 < Solver> `James: great place to start 12:08 < tjfontaine> HYPNOTOAD 12:10 -!- Straterra [~tyork@rrcs-70-63-54-86.central.biz.rr.com] has joined #linode 12:11 < HoopyCat> all things being equal, i do think chroot is the way to go in this situALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD 12:11 < Straterra> jadoba: resized 12:12 < HoopyCat> #linode is proud to use 100% environmentally-friendly recycled memes 12:14 < `James> Solver, got all through the tutorial, to this line: This is an excerpt of a script that I found on http://mail.incredimail.com/howto/openssh/create_chroot_env that does this. 12:14 < `James> click the url 12:15 < tjfontaine> incredimail! 12:15 < `James> would be even better if it worked :D 12:17 -!- ceej [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 12:21 < SelfishMan> heh hypnotoad 12:21 -!- SelfishMan [~SelfishMa@host-72-175-55-117.lvt-mt.client.bresnan.net] has quit [Quit: SelfishMan] 12:22 -!- daMaestro [~jon@content.beatport.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:22 < `James> if i just did, useradd and made a user, would they have access to apt-get etc 12:25 -!- Straterra [~tyork@rrcs-70-63-54-86.central.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:25 -!- straterra [~straterra@projectstfu.com] has joined #linode 12:26 -!- SelfishMan [~SelfishMa@69.51.75.42] has joined #linode 12:26 < ceej> Hey all 12:27 < cruxeternus> `James: No. You would need to set up sudo and permissions for that. 12:27 < `James> cheers 12:28 < ceej> anyone here switched from slicehost? 12:28 -!- rmayorga [~rmayorga@168.243.84.131] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28 * SelfishMan shudders 12:29 -!- rmayorga [~rmayorga@168.243.84.131] has joined #linode 12:29 < cruxeternus> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/99/FuturamaHypnotoad.gif 12:29 < cruxeternus> ceej: I know that several have.. I'm not one of them. 12:30 < ceej> hmmm, just looking fr the best place to put my client and then even maybe one of our own projects 12:30 < cruxeternus> ceej: What attributes are you looking for? 12:31 < ceej> things that most people do, reliability 12:31 < SelfishMan> ALL HAIL TO THE HYPNOTOAD 12:31 < cruxeternus> Well, Linodes do have occasional downtime... but it's usually fairly limited. 12:31 < ceej> more so t hat slicehost? 12:32 < ceej> than* 12:32 < cruxeternus> As they say in the FAQ, they don't promise 100% uptime. 12:32 < cruxeternus> I doubt it's more than slicehost, but I don't have the experience. 12:32 < cruxeternus> Any ex-slicehosters want to speak up? 12:32 < bd_> you can always put linodes in two DCs; it's very unlikely that both would be down at the same time 12:33 < cruxeternus> ceej: The only perspective I can offer, is that the downtime is extremely acceptable for the rates charged at Linode. 12:33 < tasaro> i'm suprised there aren't any in here.. i've seen a ton of people moving from them to us 12:33 < cruxeternus> tasaro: yeah, me too 12:33 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s236.cinergycom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:33 < cruxeternus> ceej: anecdotally, I see 1-2 hours / month of downtime or network issues 12:34 < cruxeternus> But I figure that's just life on the Internet :) 12:36 < bd_> I used slicehost for a little while... I moved from them while they were having occasional DC routing issues, but I see now that can happen to any provider :) Better specs here though. 12:36 -!- r3z` [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:37 < bd_> that was back in december though 12:37 < bd_> no idea how they're doing now 12:37 -!- r3z` [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #linode 12:37 < cruxeternus> ceej: I imagine reliability is going to be a wash.. most of the issues at Linode are due to users provoking DDoS attacks... which can just as easily happen at slicehost as well. 12:37 < cruxeternus> Or any VPS provider. 12:38 < Battousai> or any dedi provider 12:38 < cruxeternus> heh 12:39 -!- lakin [~lakin@S01060013101832cd.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:39 -!- daMaestro [~jon@content.beatport.com] has joined #linode 12:41 < `James> Anyone know the name of the sun java package 12:42 * cruxeternus is away. (Watching 'Everybody Loves Hypnotoad'.) 12:43 < Battousai> the episode included with bender's big score is great 12:43 < Battousai> i think it won a prime time emmy 12:47 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s57.cinergycom.net] has joined #linode 12:50 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has joined #linode 12:54 < SelfishMan> Looks like rackspace is going to IPO 12:55 -!- lakin [~lakin@S010600a0d14208ad.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #linode 12:56 -!- kupesoft [~dave@CPE004314674170-CM0018c0c44e76.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #linode 13:02 < cruxeternus> Sweet, horribly overpriced hosting services... 13:02 * cruxeternus buys some shares. 13:02 < SelfishMan> but they have fanatical support (tm) 13:03 < mikegrb> cruxeternus: not really, it's about the norm price wise for managed services 13:03 < cruxeternus> mikegrb: hrm, they were high when I last checked 13:03 * cruxeternus checks again. 13:03 < SelfishMan> I did business with them about 10 years ago and they were awesome back then 13:04 < SelfishMan> but they don't actually touch the servers so I wouldn't really call it managed 13:05 < cruxeternus> they have managed and hands-off now 13:05 < SelfishMan> huh 13:06 < cruxeternus> mikegrb: rackspace offers a dedicated server for $383 (their special!) that ThePlanet offers for $159.. with three times more bandwidth 13:07 < mikegrb> yeah but rackspace won't reboot it when the person two racks over wants thier server rebooted 13:07 < cruxeternus> haha 13:07 < mikegrb> surely that is worth a few hundred a month? 13:07 < cruxeternus> I suppose that's true. 13:07 * mikegrb runs 13:08 < cruxeternus> Depends on your requirements. :) 13:08 < cruxeternus> Plus, rackspace is apparently less combustable. 13:09 * avongauss ponders if any TP cage monkeys monitor this channel - maybe its not so random? ;) 13:09 < cruxeternus> I doubt it would be in their best interest to harass a service provider already in three other DC's :P 13:10 < avongauss> I am just joking, but I doubt a "cage monkey" would care either way - its not like their check goes up or down. 13:10 -!- onnet5 [~5ad47bd6@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 13:11 < cruxeternus> Yeah... never attribute to malice that which can be explained by sheer, unfathomable incompetence. 13:11 < onnet5> Hello Im back 13:11 < cruxeternus> howdy onnet5 13:11 < onnet5> Howwww, do you make a file accessible to the outside world off your VPS? 13:11 < onnet5> So as I can access it 13:11 < avongauss> scp? 13:12 < cruxeternus> scp/sftp through an ssh server 13:12 < onnet5> And I do that how? 13:12 < straterra> onnet5: http/ftp ? 13:12 < onnet5> Yea but how do I do that shizz 13:12 -!- MrRx7 [~Owner@dpc674448253.direcpc.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:12 < straterra> google? 13:12 < HoopyCat> onnet5: is this a "i can access it" or "anyone can access it" situation? 13:12 < cruxeternus> onnet5: If you deployed a Linode image, it should already have an ssh server installed and running. 13:12 < onnet5> I can access it. 13:12 < cruxeternus> onnet5: Are you access from Windows? 13:12 < HoopyCat> onnet5: what OS are you using? 13:12 < onnet5> Yes 13:12 < cruxeternus> accessing* 13:12 < onnet5> Ubuntu 13:13 < onnet5> Ubuntu = VPS XP = Home 13:13 < cruxeternus> onnet5: check out WinSCP 13:13 < cruxeternus> winscp.net 13:13 < onnet5> Right-e-o 13:13 < HoopyCat> onnet5: from your home box: scp yourusername@your.linode:/path/to/file /local/path/here/ 13:13 < HoopyCat> onnet5: oh, listen to cruxeternus then :-) 13:13 < onnet5> Where do you type the scp stuff in? 13:14 < cruxeternus> onnet5: Use WinSCP.. it's all graphical and stuff :) 13:14 < onnet5> Alrighty 13:14 < onnet5> Just getting it now 13:14 < onnet5> Btw guys I really appreciate your help. 13:14 < HoopyCat> onnet5: if you were running linux at home, you'd use scp. however, you're using windows, so you get cool pointy-clicky. :-) 13:14 < onnet5> I seem to ask a lot. 13:14 < cruxeternus> np, we love solving riddles 13:15 -!- ceej [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ceej] 13:16 -!- xitology [~xi@golovko1.donbass.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:19 < onnet5> Ahh what a simple program. 13:19 < onnet5> Perfect for me 13:19 < cruxeternus> :D 13:20 < onnet5> 130kb/s 13:20 < onnet5> That good for the VPS's? 13:20 < HoopyCat> winscp is pretty hot, and it'll import your saved sessions from putty, which is very handy 13:21 < cruxeternus> onnet5: Keep in mind SCP is encrypted, so there's encryption overhead 13:21 < onnet5> I see 13:21 < HoopyCat> onnet5: depends on the internet between you and your linode, as well as how fast both sides are at AES 13:21 < onnet5> Ok so how about if I wanted to make a file accessible to everybody 13:21 < onnet5> Like a HTTP download 13:21 < SelfishMan> AES is too damn slow 13:21 < SpaceHobo> onnet5: set up apache and put it in the docroot somewhere 13:21 < HoopyCat> onnet5: a web server, such as apache, would do the trick 13:21 < SpaceHobo> onnet5: default for apache is /var/www 13:21 < cruxeternus> People have reported transfers from Linodes over 8 MB/sec 13:21 < onnet5> Apache on the server? 13:22 < SpaceHobo> onnet5: good place for it 13:22 < onnet5> Ok 13:22 < onnet5> Does apt have that? 13:22 < onnet5> Or will I need to manually do it? 13:22 < cruxeternus> onnet5: yep 13:22 < cruxeternus> apt-get install apache 13:22 < onnet5> Awesghum 13:22 < SpaceHobo> onnet5: sudo apt-get install apache2-mpm-worker 13:22 < SelfishMan> Apache is already on the server 13:22 < SpaceHobo> cruxeternus: nooooo 13:22 < onnet5> Btw, what's sudo for? 13:22 < SpaceHobo> cruxeternus: taht'll probably get 1.3! 13:22 < cruxeternus> SpaceHobo: eh? so? :P 13:22 < SpaceHobo> onnet5: it means the command runs with root privilege 13:22 < onnet5> Ahh 13:22 < cruxeternus> apt-get install apache2 then :P 13:22 < SpaceHobo> cruxeternus: bleh that'll probably get *spit* prefork 13:22 < cruxeternus> onnet5: do a quick search for Apache on Ubuntu, and you'll find some great step-by-step tutorials 13:23 < cruxeternus> SpaceHobo: Are you ever happy? :P 13:23 < SpaceHobo> cruxeternus: I'll be happy when he installs apache2-mpm-worker like I said 13:23 < HoopyCat> SpaceHobo: you should probably bitch at the ubuntu people and have them adjust the default, then ;-) 13:23 < cruxeternus> haha 13:23 < SpaceHobo> HoopyCat: I see what you did there. 13:23 < onnet5> Space, don't worry, I am 13:23 * cruxeternus defers to SpaceHobo. 13:24 * cruxeternus runs sane distros... like debian and gentoo. 13:24 * cruxeternus hides. 13:24 < cruxeternus> And sane http servers, like lighttpd :P 13:25 < HoopyCat> aight, that's about as much XM78 i can handle 13:25 < HoopyCat> s/78 i/78 as i/ 13:26 < cruxeternus> apt-get install apache2-mpm-worker is extremely unintuitive :P 13:28 < onnet5> W-ell 13:30 -!- Internat [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #linode 13:30 -!- internat1 [~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:33 < Battousai> yes it is 13:33 < Battousai> peruser is more intuitive 13:33 -!- Mikef_ [mikef@static-ip-62-75-255-125.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #linode 13:33 < Mikef_> guys 13:34 < Mikef_> I broke screen. 13:34 < cruxeternus> That's unpossible! 13:34 < onnet5> How long's it take for the bandwidth usage to update? 13:34 < cruxeternus> Mikef_: What happens? 13:34 < Mikef_> There are screens on: 31971.pts-0.ubuntu (Attached) 19490.pts-0.ubuntu (Dead ???) 10611.pts-0.ubuntu (Dead ???) 7884.pts-0.ubuntu (Dead ???) 13:35 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@yttrium.canonical.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:35 < SelfishMan> screen -wipe 13:35 < Mikef_> I need it though.. 13:35 < SelfishMan> screen -X 31971 13:35 < Mikef_> -x? 13:35 < HoopyCat> screen -wipe will get rid of the "Dead ???" ones, then you can screen -r and get the remaining one 13:35 < cruxeternus> This is a job for... super MAN! 13:35 < SelfishMan> capital X I believe, reconnects to an already attached screen 13:35 < HoopyCat> or screen -RAD, as i've just been introduced to today 13:36 < SelfishMan> -r won't attach to an already attached screen 13:36 < HoopyCat> SelfishMan: derr, you're right 13:36 < HoopyCat> screen -RAD it is, then :-) 13:36 < SelfishMan> Does -R reconnect? 13:36 < cruxeternus> This is a job for... super MAN! 13:36 < onnet5> Lol 13:36 < mikegrb> lolz 13:36 < SelfishMan> -R will reconnect but if it can't will start a new one 13:37 < SelfishMan> oops, lowercase -x to reconnect to an already attached screen 13:37 < Mikef_> im good 13:37 < Mikef_> tyssssssssssm 13:37 < Mikef_> screen -wipe 13:37 < HoopyCat> re -DR: "Attach here and now. In detail this means: If a session is running, then reattach. If necessary detach and logout remotely first. If it was not running create it and notify the user. This is the authorâs favorite." 13:37 < Mikef_> and screen -r 13:37 < Mikef_> :] 13:37 < SelfishMan> sudo reboot will fix it all too ;-P 13:37 < Battousai> mmm broken apostrophe 13:37 < SelfishMan> Sorry, flashed back to windows 13:38 < HoopyCat> Mikef_: ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOSCREEN 13:38 < HoopyCat> Battousai: i woulda fixed it, but i wanted to see if anyone would notice. 13:38 < Mikef_> hypnoscreen? 13:38 * SelfishMan bows to the hypnoscreen 13:38 < Battousai> HoopyCat: actually i thought it was just me 13:38 < cruxeternus> Mikef_: Obscure Futurama reference. 13:38 < SelfishMan> There is nothing obscure about Futurama 13:39 < SelfishMan> Speaking of Futurama, isn't it being brought back? I heard rumors... 13:39 < HoopyCat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yoJI-Tl94g 13:39 < HoopyCat> all the futurama you need 13:39 < Battousai> SelfishMan: already has been 13:39 < Battousai> (in part) 13:39 < SelfishMan> What?!? When?? Where?!? Eh? 13:39 < Mikef_> um 13:39 < onnet5> Please tell me that isn't a constant loop for 9 mins O.O? 13:39 < Battousai> bender's big score is the first of 3 straight to dvd movies 13:39 < Mikef_> is there another way to keep irssi running in the background besides screen? 13:40 * SelfishMan adds Bender's Big Score to his Netflix queue 13:40 < Battousai> wait 13:40 < Battousai> make it four movies 13:40 < anderiv> Mikef_: not that I know of. What's wrong w/ screen? 13:40 < cruxeternus> Mikef_: possibly... but what's wrong with screen? :P: 13:41 < cruxeternus> screen is total awesomeness 13:41 < HoopyCat> Mikef_: there is another way, but screen was designed to fix the inherent problems with the other way :-) 13:41 < anderiv> cruxeternus: agreed. 13:41 < Battousai> also the beast with a billion backs came out in june 13:41 < SelfishMan> Just added all three 13:42 < HoopyCat> (that'd be ^Z to suspend, bg to background, then fg to foreground when you want it back. note that you gotta bg it if you're going to be away for more than a short time interval, as the IRC server will start getting suspicious.) 13:43 < SelfishMan> The IRC server will probably reset your connection if it remains in the bg for too long 13:43 < Battousai> well, if it's bg'd it will continue running and respond to pings 13:44 < HoopyCat> SelfishMan: it'll do that if you *don't* bg it; bg tells the process to continue running, so life'll be good 13:44 < SelfishMan> Yep, sorry, missed the "bg to background" part 13:45 -!- hfb [~hfb@pool-71-118-254-245.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #linode 13:46 < onnet5> O HAII 13:47 < cruxeternus> U CAN HAZ FILE DOWNLODE? 13:49 -!- ondrej [~ondra@ip4-83-240-41-73.cust.nbox.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:50 -!- voxadam [~voxadam@pool-71-111-48-241.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #linode 13:50 -!- voxadam [~voxadam@pool-71-111-48-241.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #linode [] 13:50 -!- voxadam [~voxadam@pool-71-111-48-241.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #linode 13:50 -!- voxadam [~voxadam@pool-71-111-48-241.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #linode [] 13:50 -!- voxadam [~voxadam@pool-71-111-48-241.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #linode 13:51 * HoopyCat gets seasick 13:51 -!- silverblade [~silverbla@cust116-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:53 -!- pbryan [~pbryan@209.52.48.162] has joined #linode 13:57 -!- Bdragon28 [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has joined #linode 13:57 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:57 -!- Bdragon28 is now known as Bdragon 13:58 -!- bmonty [~bmonty@cpe-70-115-194-140.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 13:59 < HoopyCat> "Mill St - install anode bag on 20" Holly water main Tee on Mill St N/W Furnace St" 14:00 < HoopyCat> i wonder if "anode bag" can be used as an insult 14:01 < cruxeternus> Let's experiment. 14:01 < Mikef_> because 14:01 < cruxeternus> HoopyCat: You're an anode bag. 14:01 < cruxeternus> Do you feel insulted? 14:01 < Mikef_> my friends has a shell and hes limited to two background processes. 14:02 < Mikef_> screen + irssi=2 14:02 < Mikef_> he wants irssi + eggdrop 14:02 < cruxeternus> Mikef_: Must not be running Linode then :P 14:02 < Mikef_> he isnt :[ 14:02 < Mikef_> i just figured you guys would know lol 14:02 < mikegrb> lolz 14:03 < SelfishMan> !avail-he 14:03 < linbot> SelfishMan: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0 14:03 < SelfishMan> !avail-atlanta 14:03 < linbot> SelfishMan: Atlanta360 - 0, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0 14:03 < HoopyCat> Mikef_: i do think that other provider is an anode bag. 14:03 < Mikef_> ? 14:04 < HoopyCat> cruxeternus: eh, i guess anode bag doesn't work. 14:04 < Mikef_> ??? 14:04 < cruxeternus> SelfishMan: There's probably a waiting list for those. 14:04 < Mikef_> ???????????? 14:04 < SelfishMan> I always check anyway hoping that one will popup. There was an atlanta540 available but by the time I clicked through the add a linode it wasn't available anymore 14:04 < avongauss> I think he's trying to suggest your friend should get a Linode 14:04 < SelfishMan> !avail-tp 14:04 < linbot> SelfishMan: Dallas360 - 8, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 14:05 < SelfishMan> Wow, that was all zero yesterday 14:06 < cruxeternus> probably cleaned out some accounts 14:07 < Mikef_> oic 14:07 < Mikef_> Mayb theres an irc client that goes in the background without pinging :\ 14:08 * voxadam really hates waiting for DNS changes to propagate. 14:08 < SelfishMan> I set my TTL to -300 that way they owe me five minutes of their time 14:09 < charlie> voxadam: get opendns, it'll make your obsession over waiting for changes to propogate even worse, because you'll sit at the cache check and continously clear the cache for your domain 14:10 -!- bliblok [~bjornar@ti500720a080-8908.bb.online.no] has joined #linode 14:10 < HoopyCat> however, with the cache check, you can say "huh, looks like opendns is updated. maybe you should call your ISP" 14:11 < voxadam> charlie: I use OpenDNS. The really weird thing is that even though CacheCheck shows a consistent view with all results pointing to the correct IP when I lookup the record from home I still get pointed to the old server. 14:11 < charlie> voxadam: i think there's a command to clear your local cache 14:11 < HoopyCat> voxadam: what OS are you running at home? 14:12 < charlie> my worst thing is when you hit "clear cache" and the change you made actually gets *removed* from the caches it was previously working in 14:12 < voxadam> OS X 14:12 < voxadam> There is a command. It's dscacheutil -flushcache 14:12 < SelfishMan> voxadam: Maybe your local BIND server has been exploited since Apple still hasn't issued a patch. 14:14 -!- lakin [~lakin@S010600a0d14208ad.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:16 -!- voxadam_ [~voxadam@pool-71-111-48-241.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #linode 14:16 -!- voxadam [~voxadam@pool-71-111-48-241.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16 < voxadam_> Damn wireless. 14:17 -!- voxadam_ is now known as voxadam 14:18 -!- sada [~c7fa4145@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 14:18 < voxadam> Is it just me or does everybody hate DNS? 14:19 * path- prefers names over numbers 14:19 < path-> i don't really want to type 2001:4860:0:2001::68 to search the web 14:19 < bliblok> I like the idea of translating names into IP-adresses, but I think the DNS system as it is today is a bit outdated. 14:20 < cruxeternus> No kidding :) 14:21 < cruxeternus> Blame ICANNt. 14:22 * path- is confused by netflix. 14:22 < straterra> outdated...how? 14:23 -!- silverblade [~silverbla@cust116-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has joined #linode 14:23 < HoopyCat> path-: eh, just put that in your /etc/hosts 14:23 * voxadam bangs his head against his desk over and over... 14:23 < path-> they sent me one dvd on sat that was #2 on the list. they then emailed me 7pm last night to say that there was a delay with my shipment and my movie will ship on the 28th. 14:23 < cruxeternus> voxadam: Chill out. Someone might want that desk. 14:24 -!- sada [~c7fa4145@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24 < path-> the email said i could get a free rental (i guess an extra disk) but that doesn't even show up on my queue page 14:24 < HoopyCat> the move to IPv6 is the perfect time to ditch DNS 14:24 < straterra> ditch dns? 14:25 < path-> heh 14:25 < path-> big /etc/hosts files 14:25 < path-> thats the answer 14:25 -!- ramis [~5b8c9be0@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 14:25 < HoopyCat> there'll be enough IP addresses to obsolete name-based virtual hosting, so just have google use IP addresses instead of hostnames, and hard-code www.google.com -> 2001:4860:0:1001::68 in everyone's /etc/hosts 14:26 -!- SelfishMan [~SelfishMa@69.51.75.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:26 < HoopyCat> DNS vulnerability fixed. NEXT! 14:26 < path-> HoopyCat: my google is ..2001::68 14:26 < bliblok> HoopyCat: The next problem would be the a-big-bad-amarican-company-controls-the-internet problem. 14:27 < HoopyCat> bliblok: pfft, like it doesn't already. 14:27 < path-> doesn't the big-bad-american-government already do that? 14:27 < HoopyCat> oh, i'm sorry, the internet is headquartered on a caribbean island for tax purposes 14:28 < ramis> hello, can someone help me read what is going on with my email server ....i posted my log on http://pastebin.linode.com/1105 14:28 < HoopyCat> as if to punctuate this as being a bad idea, it appears smtp.gmail.com's SSL certificate has expired. 14:28 < bliblok> ramis: OK, the first line is: Jul 29 14:20:09 li7-94 postfix/smtp[3971]: connect to msa-mx2.hinet.net[168.95.6.113]: Connection timed out (port 25) 14:28 < bliblok> Then the second goes: Jul 29 14:20:39 li7-94 postfix/smtp[3971]: connect to msa-mx3.hinet.net[168.95.6.116]: Connection timed out (port 25) 14:29 < Battousai> boy i hope those pastes expire quickly 14:29 < Battousai> nope, a month 14:30 < ramis> battousai!!! why? u think i posted too much info!!! its for a day plus i dont know where these ips are coming from 14:31 < bliblok> ramis: Probably someone trying to relay spam trough your SMTP-server, that's normal. 14:31 < bliblok> Luckily for you, your server seem to be configured to reject them. 14:31 < ramis> but my bandwidth is being used like crazy making a 20GB in the past 24 hrs. 14:32 < bliblok> By the SMTP-server? 14:33 < ramis> i cant tell how is it being used.......my problem is i am abit of a noob :( 14:33 < bliblok> Have you tried iftop? 14:35 -!- bd__ [~foo@satoko.is.fushizen.net] has joined #linode 14:36 -!- _m0 [~m0@lebaneseculture.com] has joined #linode 14:36 < ramis> command not found....iftop 14:37 -!- bssteph [cthulhu@ayu.emptymatter.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:37 -!- bssteph [cthulhu@ayu.emptymatter.org] has joined #linode 14:37 -!- el_syn [~syn@starbuck.packetjockey.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:38 -!- m0 [~m0@m0interactive.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:38 -!- bd_ [~foo@satoko.is.fushizen.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:38 < bliblok> You might want to install applications before you use them. 14:39 < _m0> whats a better server for this network 14:39 < _m0> (m0) disconnecting from stoned server. 14:40 -!- PAtrik is now known as PAtrik|off 14:40 -!- _m0 is now known as m0 14:41 < voxadam> I'm confused (not really surprising, I'm not all that knowledgeable about DNS). Last night I created a new zone for a domain at Linode, pointed my registrar to Linode's nameservers, deleted the zone at my registrar (who was hosting the barebones redirects) and waited for things to propagate. For some reason when I lookup the domain (host, dig, nslookup, etc...) I still get pointed to the old server at my registrar but when I lo 14:41 < voxadam> Woah... 14:41 -!- BP{k} [~michiel@buhkit.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:41 -!- BP{k} [~michiel@buhkit.net] has joined #linode 14:41 -!- ido [~ido@lolcocks.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:41 -!- ido [~ido@lolcocks.com] has joined #linode 14:42 -!- scott [~scott@scott.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:42 -!- scott [~scott@scott.netop.oftc.net] has joined #linode 14:42 -!- gpd [~gpd@70.85.16.173] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:42 < voxadam> Am I simply a victim of stale cache data? 14:42 -!- PAtrik|off is now known as PAtrik 14:42 -!- gpd [~gpd@70.85.16.173] has joined #linode 14:43 < HoopyCat> voxadam: if you don't mind sharing, what's the domain? 14:43 < voxadam> voxadam.net 14:44 -!- el_syn [~syn@starbuck.packetjockey.com] has joined #linode 14:44 < MaZ-> hey guys, i've been found not guilty http://www.lawlr.us/wtf_nig.jpg 14:44 < path-> voxadam: looks like it's using linode dns servers for me 14:44 < bliblok> here too 14:45 -!- CJ [~CJ@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #linode 14:45 < CJ> dallas having problems? 14:45 < zeroday> :( 14:45 < zeroday> stunnel keeps disconnecting me with connection reset errors 14:45 -!- PAtrik is now known as PAtrik|off 14:45 < elhippo> ack, packet loss to dallas 14:46 < zeroday> yikes, lag 14:47 < Battousai> see? it really isn't just nj 14:47 -!- chris|web [~4b3fcf75@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 14:47 -!- chris|web [~4b3fcf75@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Killed (synthon.oftc.net (Nick collision (new)))] 14:47 -!- chris|web [~4b3fcf75@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 14:48 -!- taCypooH [~rtucker@cpe-74-74-184-231.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 14:48 < r3z`> Dallas is freaking out. 14:48 * taCypooH activates Emergency HoopyCat Hologram 14:48 < chris|web> I was about to say, host111 is responding pretty slowly 14:49 -!- BP{k}_ [~michiel@buhkit.net] has joined #linode 14:49 -!- ido [~ido@lolcocks.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49 -!- ido [~ido@lolcocks.com] has joined #linode 14:49 -!- scott_ [~scott@li25-180.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 14:49 -!- gpd_ [~gpd@70.85.16.173] has joined #linode 14:49 -!- BP{k} [~michiel@buhkit.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49 -!- gpd [~gpd@70.85.16.173] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49 -!- scott [~scott@scott.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49 -!- lyoung [~lyoung@ool-45767b7e.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #linode 14:49 < r3z`> HoopyCat, you brought a mirror of yourself up? 14:49 < r3z`> ;) 14:49 -!- r3z` is now known as r3z 14:49 < fuzzie> eek, huge packet loss  14:49 -!- tjfontaine [~tjfontain@tjfontaine.noc.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49 -!- Zotnix [~zotnix@lolcatbible.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49 -!- Zotnix [~zotnix@lolcatbible.com] has joined #linode 14:49 < Zotnix> Hiccup 14:49 -!- tjfontaine [~tjfontain@tjfontaine.noc.oftc.net] has joined #linode 14:49 * caker engages Cancel Customer button 14:50 < r3z> heh 14:50 < r3z> caker, Dallas having issues? 14:50 -!- Dave [~dave@dave.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:50 < Battousai> sounds like a ddos 14:50 < r3z> Pinging dallas64.linode.com [67.18.186.17] with 32 bytes of data: 14:50 < r3z> Reply from 67.18.186.17: bytes=32 time=84ms TTL=47 14:50 < r3z> Request timed out. 14:50 < caker> hang on .. shouldn't be much longer 14:51 -!- BP{k} [~michiel@212.248.241.213] has joined #linode 14:51 < r3z> ddos? 14:51 < Battousai> i demand that i be credited for that downtime 14:51 < taCypooH> r3z: indeed, i have a real-time display of the unreachability on the monitor to my right. unfortunately, on the monitor to my left, i have someone gutting a chicken with his bare hands. 14:51 < Battousai> even though my linode is in newark 14:51 -!- djweezy_ [djweezy@powerprecision.com] has joined #linode 14:51 -!- maine [~9f998c0a@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 14:51 < zeroday> round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 64.523/64.710/64.947/0.358 ms 14:51 < zeroday> < from SilenceIsDefeat.org to my linode 14:51 < djweezy_> is linode having net issues? 14:51 < maine> Dallas seems to be having net issues 14:51 < Battousai> djweezy_: yes, issues in dallas atm 14:51 -!- xitology [~xi@78.31.182.24] has joined #linode 14:51 < Battousai> should be over soon according to caker 14:51 < djweezy_> alright wasnt sure what was up 14:52 < maine> Thanks for the update, Battousai 14:52 < djweezy_> thanks 14:52 -!- Guest291 [~dave@cassiopeia.atxconsulting.com] has joined #linode 14:52 < Battousai> thank caker 14:52 < maine> Well, thank you for relaying the information is what I meant. 14:52 < CJ> my linode doesn't seem to want to shutdown....could that be the fault of the dallas issues, or is it something else? 14:53 -!- hachi_ is now known as hachi 14:53 < lyoung> Seems to be more than net issues. Mine crashed. 14:53 < lyoung> Never crashed before, and about 5 minutes ago it died. 14:53 < HoopyCat> c'mon everybody, to the nth degree 14:53 -!- voxadam [~voxadam@pool-71-111-48-241.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:53 < path-> cj, use the linode manager to shutdown.. if you shutdown on the command line, lassie will restart it 14:53 -!- voxadam [~voxadam@pool-71-111-48-241.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #linode 14:53 < CJ> path-: that's what i did. 14:53 * voxadam bangs his head against the desk one last time for being an idot. 14:53 -!- blithe [~blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54 < path-> oh, i dunno then.. maybe a result from dallas issues 14:54 < Battousai> idot! 14:54 -!- blithe [~blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com] has joined #linode 14:54 < CJ> hmm 14:54 < CJ> hopefully 14:54 -!- PAtrik|off is now known as PAtrik 14:54 < HoopyCat> voxadam: if it's about your domain and you figured it out, i'll be quiet. :-) 14:54 < CJ> shutdown success 14:54 < voxadam> Flushing the DNS cache on my laptop only does so much.... flushing the cache on my router, now that goes a lot further. 14:55 < HoopyCat> voxadam: oh god, you have a DNS cache on your router? 14:55 * CJ still doesnt entirely understand dns cache 14:55 < r3z> ... 14:55 < hachi> HoopyCat: lots of residential routers have caches 14:56 < voxadam> My dd-wrt flashed router does indeed have a cache. 14:56 < HoopyCat> hachi: boy, i hope they get patched... 14:56 < Zotnix> Supposed to "speed things up" 14:56 -!- lakin [~lakin@S01060013101832cd.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #linode 14:56 -!- BP{k} [~michiel@212.248.241.213] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:56 -!- BP{k}_ is now known as BP{k} 14:56 < hachi> HoopyCat: they forward to the ISP usually, and cache those answers 14:56 < hachi> so they're only vulnerable to the local network... and I would hope the ISP can keep that safe 14:58 -!- GMFlash [~GMFlash@cpe-71-72-7-90.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 14:58 -!- GMFlash [~GMFlash@cpe-71-72-7-90.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58 -!- GMFlash [~GMFlash@cpe-71-72-7-90.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 14:58 < HoopyCat> ok, back to cleaning 14:59 -!- taCypooH [~rtucker@cpe-74-74-184-231.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: TACGNOL SHALL DIE] 15:00 -!- ondrej [~ondra@ip4-83-240-41-73.cust.nbox.cz] has joined #linode 15:01 < CJ> my linode seems to be working fine now 15:05 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: If you ask you know I don't mind kneeling, but when my knees hurt, I'd like to stand.] 15:05 < CJ> took the opportunity to enable that extra 20% hdd space too :P 15:05 < Battousai> haha 15:07 < CJ> so, I run an inspircd server.....any tips on making it auto-start with the server? 15:08 < CJ> and re-starting it if it gets shutdown i mean 15:08 < path-> don't start it as root 15:08 < CJ> auto-starting is easy....keeping it running is another thing 15:08 < linbot> New news from wiki: Slashdot My Linode 15:08 < path-> uhh, if it doesn't have an init script, you could add something to rc.local 15:09 < Battousai> CJ: it'd probably be best to use a periodic cron job with a little script to check it 15:09 < CJ> well, it does have an init script....problem is if the process ever dies it wont restart itself 15:09 < Battousai> especially with something like inspircd that could be prone to crashes at some point 15:09 < CJ> Battousai: like check it every 10 seconds or something? 15:09 < Battousai> well, i was thinking like 5 minutes 15:09 -!- onnet5 [~5ad47bd6@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09 < path-> every minute would probably be more sane 15:09 < CJ> nod. 15:09 < path-> or 5 min would be saner :) 15:10 < CJ> I've never written a cronjob :S 15:10 < Battousai> that way if it goes down for any reason (while the machine doesn't), it can restart 15:10 < path-> if the init scipt supports status, that is a start 15:10 < path-> /etc/init.d/inspircd status 15:11 < path-> check $? afterwards 15:11 < path-> you'll need to figure out which return codes are good or bad 15:11 < CJ> athenon@subaru:~/irc/inspircd$ ./inspircd status 15:11 < CJ> InspIRCd is running (PID: 2619) 15:11 < path-> after that, type echo $? 15:11 < path-> hopefully it's 0 15:11 < CJ> yeah it is 15:12 < Battousai> actually 15:12 < Battousai> from looking at the script they ship 15:12 < path-> find a tutorial on writing shell scripts.. run that command and pipe it to /dev/null.. then restart if it's not 0 15:12 < Battousai> you could use ./inspircd cron 15:12 < Battousai> which checks if it's running, and starts it if not 15:12 < path-> sounds easier 15:13 < CJ> oh fun 15:13 -!- Pete [~Pete@adsl-76-226-78-161.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #linode 15:13 < CJ> thanks 15:13 -!- Pete is now known as Guest295 15:15 < CJ> 0-59/5 * * * * /home/athenon/TopTest.php 15:15 < CJ> how often is that run? 15:15 < path-> every 5 minutes 15:15 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #linode 15:15 < CJ> oh ok 15:15 < path-> */5 * * * * .... 15:15 < Battousai> how you read that is, "every 5 minutes, between minute 0 and minute 59" 15:15 < path-> it what i normally do 15:15 < path-> is what.. 15:16 < path-> man 5 crontab 15:16 < CJ> now how to get it INTO cron now that i have it in crontab :S 15:16 < path-> crontab -e 15:16 < zeroday> CJ, I have a script I use to check apache & mysql 15:16 < zeroday> lemme pastebin 15:17 < path-> if you are root, and you want to specify another user, use crontab -e -u username 15:17 -!- djweezy_ [djweezy@powerprecision.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:17 < CJ> athenon@subaru:~$ crontab crontab 15:17 < CJ> i hope that was right :S 15:17 < path-> no 15:17 < path-> well 15:17 < path-> i dunno 15:17 < CJ> the cron stuff is in a file named crontab 15:17 < path-> i guess so, i've never done it that way 15:17 < CJ> in /home/athenon 15:18 < path-> crontab -l to view 15:18 < CJ> yep its there 15:18 < CJ> ok thanks 15:18 < path-> np 15:18 < zeroday> http://paste2.org/p/53345 15:19 < CJ> thanks zeroday 15:19 < zeroday> cant remember where I got the script from 15:19 < zeroday> np 15:19 < Battousai> now you can killall -9 inspircd and see if it works ;) 15:19 < Battousai> i kid 15:19 < CJ> zeroday: what user should that script run as? 15:19 < zeroday> that needs root, but you ircd, you can use any user 15:19 < zeroday> for * 15:20 < zeroday> bad idea to run an ircd as root 15:20 < CJ> nod 15:20 < CJ> that i know 15:20 < CJ> but i figured apache and sql should run not-as-root too :P 15:21 < CJ> wasnt sure though XD 15:21 < zeroday> apache needs 1 root process iirc 15:21 < zeroday> cant remember 15:21 < path-> apache and mysql need to start as root to bind to the port, then they change uid 15:21 < zeroday> the child processes run non privileged 15:21 < path-> because their ports are < 1024 15:21 < zeroday> path-: aye, thats the reason 15:21 < zeroday> >.< 15:21 < path-> :) 15:21 < CJ> oh i see 15:22 < path-> 6667 > 1024 15:22 < path-> and apache and mysql code is probably a lot more stable 15:22 -!- SelfishMan [~SelfishMa@host-72-175-55-117.lvt-mt.client.bresnan.net] has joined #linode 15:22 < path-> and audited etc.. 15:22 < CJ> so put it in root's crontab....the zeroday script? 15:23 < zeroday> for ircd, put it in your one 15:23 < zeroday> i.e. not root 15:23 < CJ> that much i know 15:23 -!- ianneub [~4c5febbb@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 15:23 < CJ> i already did the inspircd one 15:23 < CJ> im doing the apache and sql one now 15:23 < zeroday> for apache, mysql, put it in root 15:23 < zeroday> oic, yeah, root 15:23 < CJ> so to do that....just do it like i did before, just under root? 15:23 < zeroday> yeah 15:24 < zeroday> i put mine to check apache, mysql every 10 mins 15:24 < SelfishMan> !rr 15:24 < linbot> SelfishMan: *click* 15:24 < SelfishMan> What am I missing? 15:25 < CJ> ok that SHOULD do it 15:25 < CJ> how do i check apache and sql? 15:26 < zeroday> ? 15:26 < CJ> check to make sure they restart themselves correctly 15:28 < zeroday> turn off apache, run the script 15:28 -!- Maelstrom [~5ad47bd6@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 15:29 < Maelstrom> hey guys 15:29 < Maelstrom> i thought id ask a quick question 15:29 < caker> 42 15:29 < SelfishMan> You have 12 seconds... 15:29 < caker> !8ball 15:29 < linbot> caker: The answer is a resounding no. 15:29 < Maelstrom> does it piss the provider off if you leave a big downlaod running? 15:29 < zeroday> how big? 15:29 < Maelstrom> about 2gb 15:30 < SelfishMan> I'm pretty sure that as long as you remain within your transfer quota it won't matter 15:30 < zeroday> maybe if your download is bigger then theirs 15:30 < zeroday> ¬_¬ 15:30 < Maelstrom> so i can download whatever as long as i dont go over my bandwidth? 15:30 < SelfishMan> They do QoS so I doubt you really are having an impact on other people 15:30 < Maelstrom> qos 15:30 < Maelstrom> ? 15:31 < SelfishMan> Maelstrom: People do torrents (legitmate) on their VPS so I don't think you are a problem 15:31 < CJ> the script fails 15:31 < SelfishMan> Quality of Service 15:31 < CJ> oh wait i know why 15:31 < caker> we filter bittorrent down to 1k/sec 15:31 < caker> j/k 15:31 < Maelstrom> how the hell do you tell if they're downloading legit torrents or not 15:31 < `James> they ask u 15:31 < SelfishMan> They have montly transfer limits in place and if they don't want you transferring above a certain speed they will rate limit you 15:31 < zeroday> CJ :o 15:31 < caker> what is a legit torrent? 15:31 < `James> and you say yes 15:32 < HoopyCat> Maelstrom: if they're not legit, linode gets a letter from the unhappy people :-) 15:32 < `James> then they arrest you :P 15:32 < Maelstrom> haha 15:32 < zeroday> caker: one where people ask what you're downloading and you linux distro 15:32 < Maelstrom> who are the unhappy people? 15:32 < zeroday> * you say 15:32 < Maelstrom> the people who will most unlikely complain? 15:32 < caker> what? you guys are stealing Linux? 15:32 < zeroday> :p 15:32 * Battousai calls the riaa 15:32 * SelfishMan is downloading the_caker's_plans_for_world_domination.torrent 15:32 < HoopyCat> Maelstrom: usually four-letter organizations whose names end in "AA" 15:32 < Maelstrom> what? 15:33 < Maelstrom> i dont get it 15:33 < HoopyCat> Maelstrom: well, then, obviously you're blissfully unaware. carry on then! 15:33 < Mikef_> caker: when am i billed? 15:33 < Maelstrom> no please :) 15:33 < Maelstrom> im interested 15:33 < SelfishMan> In the US i is the MPAA and RIAA 15:33 < Maelstrom> i see 15:33 < HoopyCat> Maelstrom: we'll start with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPAA 15:33 * SelfishMan waits for cease and desist letter after using their names 15:33 < caker> Mikef_: the 1st of each month, or the 1st of the month your account is up for renewal 15:34 < Maelstrom> they only care about movies 15:34 < caker> or when I need some quick cash 15:34 < SelfishMan> RIAA is music 15:34 < SelfishMan> Linode has ATMs? 15:34 < zeroday> the UK Govt. is doing a consulation on P2P 15:34 < zeroday> scary stuff in their pdf 15:34 < HoopyCat> Maelstrom: there's other copyright holders out there that are cranky, too 15:34 < Maelstrom> yea 15:34 < SelfishMan> The RIAA/MPAA type stuff in Europe is scaring the crap out of me 15:35 < HoopyCat> the RIAA handles music, the YIFFAA handles furry porn... 15:35 < BubbleWrap> caker: what time? 15:35 < SelfishMan> Canada is really scary 15:35 < Maelstrom> haha 15:35 < BubbleWrap> for the billing 15:35 < zeroday> they want isps to install filtering equipment 15:35 < SelfishMan> heh...furry porn 15:35 < BubbleWrap> :o 15:35 < Maelstrom> to be honest, hardly anyone ever gets caught 15:35 < zeroday> and give personal data on request without a court order 15:35 < Maelstrom> or noone seems to care 15:35 < HoopyCat> just say the magic words and BubbleWrap will appear 15:35 < Mikef_> :o 15:36 < zeroday> Maelstrom: the *AA kick up a fuss when they sue a person, let the dust settle and drop the case 15:36 < BubbleWrap> yup 15:36 < zeroday> Big scare 15:36 < SelfishMan> BubbleWrap shows up when you mention furry porn?!? sweeet. 15:36 * BubbleWrap wants to see furry porn 15:36 < Maelstrom> lol 15:36 < mikegrb> lolz 15:36 * BubbleWrap wonders what it looks like 15:36 < HoopyCat> WOAH 15:36 < CJ> thanks guys 15:36 < BubbleWrap> xD 15:36 < path-> caker, did you get the BubbleWrap app for your iphone? 15:37 < HoopyCat> BubbleWrap: uhh, see me after class. 15:37 < caker> path-: intentionally, no 15:37 * path- grins 15:37 < SelfishMan> BubbleWrap: Do an unfiltered Google image search for "furry porn" or "yif" 15:37 * path- was browsing the free iphone apps earlier 15:37 < cruxeternus> On second though, don't. 15:37 < cruxeternus> thought* 15:37 < BubbleWrap> k 15:37 < Eman> yiff in hell 15:37 < BubbleWrap> HoopyCat: o.O 15:38 < jetlag> v rng onovrf 15:38 < jetlag> anybody feel the erfquake? 15:39 -!- PAtrik is now known as PAtrik|off 15:39 < SelfishMan> v rng sheevrf 15:39 < HoopyCat> jetlag: nope, we're fine over in the eastern time zone. try removing and reinstalling your state. 15:39 < BubbleWrap> aww 15:39 < BubbleWrap> its so cute 15:39 < SelfishMan> I don't feel earthquakes. I should considering I'm sitting right in the middle of the worlds largest active volcano 15:39 < Battousai> must be hot 15:40 < SelfishMan> meh, 82F 15:40 < ianneub> jetlag: yeah, it wa fun 15:41 -!- Maelstrom [~5ad47bd6@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42 < HoopyCat> jetlag: it has replaced "it's hot in the southern US" as the omg-wtf-wx topic of the day on weatherplus, at least. 15:42 < HoopyCat> omg! phone service disrupted in some areas! dozens unable to call waaambulance. 15:43 < CJ> hmm, the apache restarter thingy isnt working 15:43 < CJ> root@subaru:~ # crontab -l 15:43 < CJ> 0-59/5 * * * * /root/lamp 15:43 < CJ> root@subaru:~ # /root/lamp 15:43 < HoopyCat> *cough* ok, i'll shut up and go back to marketing furry fandom and digging through the inbound mail. 15:43 < CJ> _I_ run /root/lamp, it works fine.......but the cron job aint doing it :S 15:43 -!- ianneub [~4c5febbb@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:43 < HoopyCat> CJ: try */5 instead of 0-59/5? just a hunch 15:44 < CJ> HoopyCat: i have other cronjobs with 0-59/5 that work fine :S 15:44 < HoopyCat> CJ: ls -l /root/lamp ? 15:44 < CJ> root@subaru:~ # ls -l /root/lamp 15:44 < CJ> -rwx------ 1 root root 423 Jul 29 15:31 /root/lamp 15:44 < SelfishMan> Huh. Just found this: http://p.linode.com/1075 15:45 < HoopyCat> CJ: hmm. 15:45 < HoopyCat> CJ: stick an echo statement in /root/lamp to see if it's being executed? :-) 15:45 < CJ> hehe 15:45 < CJ> wait 15:45 < CJ> where will it echo? 15:45 < CJ> since its a cronjob and all 15:45 < HoopyCat> CJ: it's also possible there's relative paths in there, and the default path may be different between your shell and what cron substantiates 15:46 < HoopyCat> CJ: it'll spit it into an e-mail to the user (root, in this case) 15:46 < CJ> if it works, there should be output saying mysql is restarting 15:47 < CJ> ok i fixed the relative path thing 15:47 < CJ> lets see if that works 15:49 < zeroday> still not working CJ? 15:49 < CJ> dunno 15:49 < CJ> just tried, waiting for 2:50 to see if it worked or not 15:50 < zeroday> how long are the breaks between checks? 15:51 < CJ> i think i figured it out 15:51 < CJ> 5 mins 15:52 < zeroday> make it 1 min for testing 15:55 < `James> Does anyone know what the java sun package is for debian? 15:55 < CJ> ok it works 15:55 < CJ> thanks guys 15:58 < jadoba> `James: try 'apt-cache search java' 15:59 < jadoba> be ready for an onslaught of package names... might want to change java to something more specific 16:00 < SelfishMan> It should be sun-java[56]-* 16:01 < `James> not there 16:01 < `James> o.o 16:01 -!- voxadam [~voxadam@pool-71-111-48-241.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:05 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s57.cinergycom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06 < bmonty> `James: you probably have to enable some extra package repos...check /etc/apt/sources.list 16:07 < path-> `James: try apt-cache search ^sun-java 16:07 < path-> ^ prolly not needed 16:10 -!- Guest295 [~Pete@adsl-76-226-78-161.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:10 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11 -!- Bdragon [~Bdragon@dpc6746139138.direcpc.com] has joined #linode 16:15 < `James> @Path- nothing 16:18 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s12.cinergycom.net] has joined #linode 16:20 < path-> `James: yea, i have ubuntu and it has a bunch of packages 16:20 < path-> maybe you need to reinstall with ubuntu 16:20 < path-> or add some other apt source 16:22 < cruxeternus> Schroeder: Are you RerunVP on EFNet? :P 16:23 < `James> ill reinstall ubuntu 16:23 -!- Oejet [~user@243-128.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #linode [] 16:23 < path-> `James: i was being sarcastic 16:23 < `James> im not 16:23 < `James> i hate debian 16:23 < cruxeternus> ubunut is debian with lipstick 16:23 < `James> lipstick ftw 16:23 < cruxeternus> lol 16:23 < mikegrb> lolz 16:24 < path-> yea, ubuntu is similar.. but they have more packages 16:25 < `James> does ubuntu have a java sun package then? 16:25 < `James> My friend wants it for his shell *sigh* 16:25 < bmonty> `James: yes 16:25 < path-> it has sun-java5-jdk and sun-java6-jdk 16:26 < `James> thanks 16:26 < path-> and -jre and a bazillion other java things 16:26 < jkwood> *ahem* Slackware *ahem* 16:26 < SelfishMan> !people still use slackware?!?! 16:26 < path-> you could just go to java.sun.com and download it without all the fancy package management 16:27 < path-> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ 16:28 < path-> looks like you need to install the non-free repository 16:28 < path-> source 16:28 < path-> thingy 16:28 < path-> http://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun 16:28 < HoopyCat> signs i'm not meant to be typing recipes right now: "SKULLET BEEF STROGANOFF" 16:30 -!- Tallo [~meer@rigel.nutomix.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:31 * jkwood points at HoopyCat's skullet and laughs 16:32 < cruxeternus> Skullet and a Neck-beard 16:41 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: If you ask you know I don't mind kneeling, but when my knees hurt, I'd like to stand.] 16:42 < `James> lol just installed php and apache on my ubuntu, and for some reason, whenever you to http://zunix.org u get a .part file download 16:42 < mikegrb> lolz 16:42 < `James> now the .php file is 16:43 < kupesoft> `James: phpinfo() returns a bool... 16:44 < `James> Yeah I was testing PHP 16:44 < SelfishMan> It should just be as I recall 16:44 < `James> It shouldn't return a .part download. 16:44 < `James> .. SeishinMoon 16:44 < `James> whoops 16:44 < `James> SelfishMan* 16:44 < SeishinMoon> :O 16:45 < `James> :< I tabbed =[ 16:45 < SeishinMoon> No one mis-highlights meh! 16:45 < SelfishMan> You aren't returning headers or anything if you just do "echo ..." 16:45 * SeishinMoon hugs `James 16:45 < SeishinMoon> You are forgiven. 16:45 < `James> =] 16:45 < Battousai> SelfishMan: i'll mis-highlight you all i want 16:45 < path-> i think i apt-get'd phpmyadmin and it install every dependancy needed 16:45 < Clorith> I would never forgive James for such an abomination 16:45 < SelfishMan> Battousai: Careful, I bite! 16:45 < Clorith> to think, miss-highlighting due t otab abuse 16:45 < Battousai> ooh 16:45 < Clorith> it is the worst crime on IRC ! 16:45 * `James stabs Clorith 16:45 < `James> Clorith who 16:46 < `James> :r 16:46 < Clorith> Clorith me ;) 16:46 -!- scott_ is now known as scott 16:46 < `James> You're stabbed. No talking. 16:46 < `James> :x 16:46 < Battousai> !rr 16:46 < linbot> Battousai: *click* 16:46 < SelfishMan> `James: Change your php script to and it should work fine 16:46 < Clorith> didn't stab me in the throat, I can talk just fine 16:47 < jetlag> How does gentoo work? 16:47 < Battousai> poorly 16:47 < SelfishMan> ! people still use gentoo?!?! 16:47 < cruxeternus> <--- 16:48 < tierra> <--- 16:48 < Battousai> ---> 16:48 < tierra> hehe 16:48 < SelfishMan> I feel sorry for the two of you then 16:48 < SelfishMan> ;-P 16:48 < tierra> not on my Linode, but on my desktop, yeah 16:51 < `James> no guys its still asking me to download w.e the .part is 16:51 < `James> :S 16:52 < `James> i did sudo apt-get install php5 16:52 < SelfishMan> did you restart apache2 after doing that? 16:52 < kupesoft> `James: libapache2-php5 16:52 < `James> ^ cant find package 16:52 < `James> and no i didnt, how do you retard apache? 16:52 < kupesoft> erm 16:52 < kupesoft> libapache2-mod-php5 16:52 < kupesoft> `James: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart 16:53 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #linode 16:53 < scorche|sh> some would argue that apache already comes retarded 16:53 < SelfishMan> aye 16:53 < SelfishMan> still better than slackware though 16:53 < `James> james@ubuntu:/$ sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart * Restarting web server apache2 apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName 16:53 < kupesoft> But you could always provide it with more retardations... 16:53 < `James> but it works now 16:53 < `James> so ty 16:54 * jkwood stabs SelfishMan 16:54 * SelfishMan isn't vulnerable because he doesn't use slackware 16:54 * cruxeternus SelfishMan's jkwood. 16:55 -!- daMaestro [~jon@content.beatport.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:55 < kupesoft> `James: the servername stuff should be explained in the apache manual, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#servername 16:55 < HoopyCat> 07/31/04 16:31 In 07/31/04 17:02 Out 16:55 < HoopyCat> oh, how i remember the letter i wrote about this one 16:56 < Clorith> wow, you're doing it the hard way, apt-get install apache2-php is all you need tbh xD 16:56 < Clorith> since he's on ubuntu :P 16:56 < GMFlash> i purchased 2 IPs to use with my linode but only the first one seems to point to my machine. is there a guide to adding the second ip? it's running ubuntu 8.04 16:57 < Battousai> http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Multiple_IPs 16:57 < jetlag> man ifconfig 16:57 < path-> `James: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP 16:57 < GMFlash> Battousai: you the man! :) 16:57 < Battousai> why yes 16:57 < SelfishMan> The forum has info on configuring a second ip 16:57 < Battousai> yes i am 16:58 < HoopyCat> (the first 30 minutes is free; i was in line to exit at 29 minutes, then spent 2 minutes waiting for the attendant to finish her phone call. i got my $2 back.) 16:59 < Clorith> who'd yo ucall ? 16:59 < HoopyCat> Clorith: well, i first wrote a letter to the local parking gestapo; when they refused to refund, i chargeback'd 16:59 < pbryan> I really like the everything-built-in-the-Linode-Xen-domU-kernel. It means I can port my root images without worrying about modules, etc. Is there any documented "recipe" for building such a kernel so I can have a consistent platform to muscle my root images around? I've presumed it's going through the config and answering 'Y' instead of 'M' to every module? Or are some modules simply disabled because they serve no purpose in the domU node? 17:00 < HoopyCat> in retrospect, i'm an asshole, but seriously. 17:00 < Clorith> a whole $2 as well :o 17:01 < Toba_> hm. this appears too good to be true: http://hostrail.com/ 17:01 < Toba_> what's their angle, do you guys think? 17:02 < Clorith> their angle is "provide crappy routing from norway, so they sit staring at a blank screen for ages" 17:02 < Clorith> :P 17:02 < Toba_> hahahaha 17:02 < HoopyCat> Toba_: they don't support slackware 17:03 < GMFlash> Battousai: how do i find my gateway? is it the Bcast: in ifconfig? 17:03 < Battousai> GMFlash: https://www.linode.com/members/linode/network.cfm 17:04 < GMFlash> thanks! 17:04 < Schroeder> Schroeder: Are you RerunVP on EFNet? :P 17:04 < Schroeder> yes 17:04 < Clorith> Toba_, they also dont hav the amasing Linode panel ;) 17:05 < cruxeternus> Schroeder: heh, did a double-take on the domain name :P 17:05 < cruxeternus> So, uh, how 'bout them Bengals? :P 17:05 < cruxeternus> Are there enough out of jail to field a team? 17:05 < Schroeder> well, I was about to make a similar joke 17:05 < Internat> it really is sad when you start to recognise ppl on irc based on their hostname.. 17:05 < GMFlash> suggestion to linode: add a static network config generator to your control panel 17:05 < cruxeternus> Schroeder: I guess it's too obvious :P 17:06 < `James> Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() in /var/www/index.php on line 2 - Have I forgot to download something? 17:06 < cruxeternus> GMFlash: They'd have to have a different one generated for each possible distro though... doesn't scale well. 17:06 < Internat> yep 17:07 < Internat> you need to apt-get install php5-mysql 17:07 < `James> php5-mysql is already the newest version. 17:07 < Internat> oh 17:07 < Internat> umm 17:07 < GMFlash> cruxeternus: so in other words a template for debian/ubuntu, gentoo, and centos/rhel 17:08 < GMFlash> 3 templates isn't so bad to support 17:08 < `James> Is there something in the php.ini perhaps, Internat? 17:08 < Internat> shoujldnt be.. 17:08 < Clorith> the php5-mysql configures php.ini for you 17:08 < Battousai> http://www.linode.com/faq.cfm#which-distributions-do-you-offer 17:08 -!- nick [~945701a7@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 17:08 < Internat> i assume you only have one version of php installed right? 17:09 < Battousai> and slackware, opensuse, fc8, arch 17:09 < mikegrb> ! people still use slackware?!?! 17:09 < `James> I'm pretty sure internat, is it possible to check or? 17:09 < GMFlash> doesn't fedora share the same config style as redhat/centos? 17:09 < nick> On the front page of Linode.com, it says "Xen instances with 4 cores for SMP". I thought the linode servers were dual Quad-cores. Are they just a single Quad-core proc or a dual dual-core pro? 17:09 < Internat> well as long as that phpinfo() returns php5 u should be fine. 17:10 < `James> http://207.192.70.94/ 17:10 < Internat> pretty sure there dual nick, you just probably dont have accesso them all :) 17:10 < straterra> nick: dual quad core machines 17:10 -!- PAtrik|off is now known as PAtrik 17:10 < straterra> nick: each user gets 4 cores 17:10 < Internat> oh 17:10 < Internat> i assume you have the mysql client libraries installed right? 17:11 < `James> Probably not 17:11 < Internat> although i would expect a different error 17:11 < nick> straterra: what do you mean each user gets to use 4 cores? do they peg the xen setup so that each domain (customer) is confined to a single proc? 17:11 < nick> 'James: you might want to upgrade PHP. I notice you are running 5.2.4. 5.2.6 is the current version 17:11 < straterra> nick: I mean..each user gets 4 cores allocated to them 17:12 < straterra> The host machine has 8 cores, however 17:12 < `James> Lol I forgot to restart apache 17:12 < mikegrb> lolz 17:12 < SelfishMan> nick: Each VPS can use the full (4 cores) of a host assuming nobody else is using those resources 17:12 < `James> thats why 17:12 < nick> 'James: plus, either PHP APC or XCache will make a big difference 17:12 < nick> straterra: so the servers have 8 cores, but each accounts has access to 4 of those cores? 17:13 < straterra> nick: correct 17:13 < nick> straterra: how many accounts/customers are on a 720 box? 17:14 -!- nick is now known as Guest307 17:14 < Internat> i think its 20, but dont hold me to that.. it may only be 10 17:14 < Guest307> why was my named changed? :( 17:14 < Internat> cause u used a nick that is probably registerdd... 17:15 < Peng_> It's 20; see the FAQ. 17:15 < straterra> Guest307: the linode page tells how many per machine 17:15 < Peng_> http://www.linode.com/faq.cfm#how-many-linodes-share-a-host 17:15 < Guest307> I'm looking at the 1080 plan ($60/mo), why should I use a VPS when I can get an entirely dedicated server for that price/mo? 17:15 < Guest307> Peng_: thanks 17:15 < Internat> havnt we had this argument like 2 days ago? 17:15 < Internat> about VPS vs Dedi. 17:16 < straterra> lol 17:16 < mikegrb> lolz 17:16 < Battousai> yes 17:16 < Battousai> it may have been just yesterday actually 17:16 < Internat> caker: make a faq page of why vps is better then dedi. 17:16 < jkwood> Guest307: You're going green? 17:16 < Internat> kthx 17:16 < cruxeternus> Guest307: The ability to easily migrate your system between hosts and data-centers. 17:16 < Guest307> what is the summary of that conversation? 17:16 < Battousai> free reboots... 17:16 < Internat> the fact that you arent responsible for downtime. 17:16 < Internat> you have free console access. 17:16 < straterra> Multigig uplink 17:16 < Internat> if your hosts shits itself, its a matter of migrating rather then waiting for the DC to fix your hardware. 17:17 < Battousai> independent deployment 17:17 < straterra> Upgrading your Linode takes seconds.. 17:17 < straterra> ehh, minutes 17:17 < tierra> freedom basically 17:17 < straterra> And is VERY easy 17:17 < Internat> you have things like finnix and the ability to easily move your "hdd"S arround 17:17 < Internat> and reconfigure. 17:17 < Peng_> Wouldn'y a $60 dedi be running on a Celeron and the cheapest hardware available? 17:17 < jkwood> Also, is the dedi comparable to the 1080 plan? 17:17 < straterra> Z0mg celeronz 17:18 < straterra> LEET 17:18 < Guest307> yeah, looking at CIHost. They have a $60/mo 1GB dedicated server 17:18 < Guest307> 1GB of RAM that is 17:18 < jkwood> Bandwidth? 17:18 < Battousai> well you don't wanna look at just the ram 17:18 < Internat> yeah, but whats the cpu etc 17:18 < Peng_> Well, with Linode you get 56 MB more RAM! :P 17:18 < Internat> are you responsible for hardware? how longs the replacement time 17:19 < Internat> do you have kvm over ip 17:19 < Guest307> no, leasing the dedicated box 17:19 < Peng_> Is this the same CI Host that gets robbed annually? 17:19 < Guest307> it's not "my" server 17:19 < jkwood> "CIHost gest broken into" I remmember that storry. 17:19 < jkwood> Oh,my typing is craptacular over this laggy connectiuon. 17:19 < straterra> Guest307: From what I see..It's a much slower CPU..with 2 less cores... and rate limited. 17:19 < Internat> how much do reboots cost you. 17:20 < Internat> what happens if your box goes unresponsibe? do you have to pay a techie to go reboot it 17:20 < BubbleWrap> speaking of dedis 17:20 < BubbleWrap> i've seen one for $25 17:20 < Peng_> Pentium 3? 17:20 < Internat> leaseweb.com often do dedies for like $30 but still. 17:20 < Guest307> straterra: yeah, but even if it is a slower CPU - you get all of it 100% of the time. No sharing a CPU with others. So it must be fastest no? 17:20 < Internat> i like my linode features. 17:20 < BubbleWrap> its a celeron 2. something with 512 ram, 1000gb bw 17:20 < straterra> Guest307: no 17:20 < Internat> not really guest307 17:20 < straterra> Guest307: Most linode's just..idle 17:21 < HoopyCat> Guest307: least-expensive linux dedicated server plan i see at cihost.com is $149...? 17:21 < jkwood> Guest307: I don't even notice I'm sharing a cpu. 17:21 < Internat> you have "access" to 100% but how much are you actually going to use? 17:21 < Internat> sure on linode your sharing your cpu, but how often do you actually need to use 100% and not able to get it? 17:21 < BubbleWrap> Guest307: you do realize two things right? 1) we wub our linodes. 2) Ppl in here are biased, but for good reason. 17:21 < jkwood> I use like 5% of my cpu on a bad day. 17:21 < Internat> i looked at dedi's for my business, and conclud3ed that at the moment im better off with linodes. 17:22 < straterra> Guest307: whats the bandwidth on that? 17:22 < Guest307> I imagine that most web servers are busy at the time time of the day, morning and afternoons. So yeah, late at night - it might be mostly idle but when most people surf the web, the box is going crazy b/c *everyone* on the box is busy 17:22 < HoopyCat> my prod site is averaging 3.2% of one CPU (out of four), for the curious 17:22 < bliblok> Guest307: 1. timezones. 17:22 < straterra> Guest307: uhm..no. How many web requests do you think it takes to make out 4 Core 2 arch. Xeons? 17:22 < bliblok> 2. Experience showes that linode hosts have more than sufficient CPU power. 17:22 < straterra> max^ 17:23 < Internat> i would say a few thousand.. 17:23 < Internat> a second. 17:23 < straterra> Constant 17:23 < Internat> i would say you would have to almost get /.'d to use full cpu usage. 17:23 < Guest307> see, HoopyCat justifies my hypothesis. If just one customer is averaging 3.2% of the resources and most boxes have 40 or so accounts, that's no good 17:23 < Battousai> ooh 17:23 < Internat> no 17:23 < Battousai> no IRC on C I Host 17:23 < Internat> he said 3.5% of 1 cpu 17:23 < Internat> so 1 core to be more precise. 17:23 < BubbleWrap> no IRC=gay 17:23 < HoopyCat> Guest307: that's 3.2% of 25% :-) 17:23 < Internat> no 17:23 < BubbleWrap> no IRC=whats the point 17:23 < Internat> thats 3.2% of 12.5% 17:24 < straterra> Internat: or Monster.. 17:24 < Internat> cause theres 8 cores. 17:24 < HoopyCat> Internat: oh hell, i hate math 17:24 < straterra> Most of the people I work with now used to work with Monster.. 17:24 < Internat> you only have access to 4 17:24 < BubbleWrap> Guest307: whatever you do, just make sure to read the TOS before you buy. 17:24 < Guest307> HoopyCat, but I'm curious to know - if you didn't have xen CPU config restrictions, how much CPU you would actually use 17:24 < straterra> Guest307: Also..if you are going to be getting THAT many requests..you may need something beefier than 11mbit 17:24 < BubbleWrap> Guest307: they sneak thigns in there, like no irc :[ 17:24 * BubbleWrap lagging so bad again 17:25 < Guest307> thanks for the help all 17:25 < bliblok> BubbleWrap: There's no such rule 17:25 < Battousai> there's no "soft cap" on CPU usage 17:25 -!- Guest307 [~945701a7@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25 < jkwood> What Xen CPU config restrictions? 17:25 < bliblok> You can use all the CPU you like, but if other ppl are using CPU at the same time, then obviously you have to share. 17:25 < Internat> ok screw this, if we get one more person asking about dedi vs vps im making a wiki page. 17:25 < BubbleWrap> bliblok: ???? 17:25 < Battousai> do eet now 17:25 < straterra> I'm thinking of getting a dedicated box.. 17:26 < HoopyCat> he still never pointed me to where that mythical $60/mo plan is... 17:26 < Battousai> get to da choppa 17:26 < straterra> Why shouldn't I? 17:26 < jkwood> Internat: Should I get a deicated box? 17:26 < BubbleWrap> no such rule? 17:26 < Internat> cause you suck balls. 17:26 < Internat> big big donkey balls. 17:26 < Battousai> put that on the wiki 17:26 < straterra> Only yours, sexy. 17:26 < bliblok> Can I run an irc server on my Linode? | Yes. Our Atlanta facility does filter the common ports used by IRC, but you're free to use alternate ports. The other datacenters do not filter IRC. 17:26 < Internat> oh baby oh baby 17:26 < BubbleWrap> bliblok: are you on drugs? 17:26 < bliblok> nope 17:26 * BubbleWrap so confused atm 17:26 < straterra> Infact..NONE of the Linux dedicated on that host provider is 4 CPU's..they are all 2 17:27 < jkwood> bliblok: He's talking about CIHost. 17:27 < BubbleWrap> jkwood: im talking abotu any host 17:27 < Battousai> i must be missing the $60/mo plans on that site 17:27 < bliblok> OK, then I'm sorry for confusing you. 17:27 < tierra> I didn't see anything on CIHost for less than $150/mo 17:27 < straterra> The best has 2 3GHz cores, 8GB DDR2, 3 x 146GB SCSI in RAID-5, and..a BLAZING Z0MG 20mbit 17:27 < BubbleWrap> jkwood: i almost bought a vps somewhere when i reread the TOS and saw it said no irc. 17:28 < HoopyCat> good to know i'm not the only one stricken blind 17:28 < `James> is there anything wrong with putting my phpmyadmin folder in www directory, so ppl can access it from domain.com/phpmyadmin, is it a big security risk? 17:28 < bliblok> `James: No, but you'd want to configure it properly. 17:29 < BP{k}> Internat: what is the difference between having a dedicated box and a vps? ;) 17:30 < Internat> die in a fire. 17:30 < Internat> seriously. kkthx bye 17:31 < BubbleWrap> BP{k}: Dedicated=you got the whole server to yourself vps=VIRTUAL private server thats on a box with a bunch of other ppls 17:32 < Battousai> must be slower 17:32 < BubbleWrap> Battousai: Xen=fastnessez 17:33 < jkwood> I've heard that you have to be careful when you have multiple partners with a vps. 17:33 < caker> Virtual Dedicated Private Physical Server 17:33 < jkwood> I'm running on a physical server. 17:33 < jkwood> It's made of electroncs. 17:33 < HoopyCat> caker, why would i pay $20/mo for a linode when i can get a quad quad-core xeon box with a 8TB RAID5, 48GB of RAM, 20 libraries of congress of transfer per month, a 10gb/sec connection directly to a private OC-1024 network connected to every NAP in the world, and a TOS that expressly permits me to host 4chan for $15/mo? 17:33 < jkwood> Yes, electroncs. 17:33 < caker> and magic smoke 17:34 -!- BrianHV_ is now known as BrianHV 17:34 < scorche|sh> HoopyCat: gimme 17:34 < Battousai> so i take it fremont is still in one piece 17:34 < BubbleWrap> HoopyCat: because you let me pay for that and you use your linode 17:34 < Battousai> i heard socal was trying to secede forcefully again 17:34 < scorche|sh> Battousai: it wasnt that bad 17:35 < bliblok> HoopyCat: Because linodes acutally exists. 17:35 < scorche|sh> and totally the wrong side of the state 17:35 < HoopyCat> bliblok: ooh snap 17:36 < Battousai> how far down was it? 17:36 < caker> An earthquake shook Los Angeles late this morning, measuring 5.4 in magnitude. There have been no reported injuries and media reports said the quake was felt as far south as San Diego and as far east as Las Vegas, Nevada. 17:36 < Battousai> oh, pfft 17:36 < scorche|sh> like i said...it wasnt that bad 17:37 < scorche|sh> bad enough that i got 8 calls asking me if the servers were alright though =/ 17:37 < Battousai> my grandfather used to fart worse than that 17:37 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: If you ask you know I don't mind kneeling, but when my knees hurt, I'd like to stand.] 17:37 -!- r3z` [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #linode 17:37 < Internat> if you can ping them, there ok. 17:37 < Battousai> are they alright? 17:37 < BubbleWrap> lol 17:37 < mikegrb> lolz 17:38 < bliblok> Server harddisks don't like being moved while spinning, so it's a reasonable question. 17:38 < Peng_> Other types of hard disks don't like it much either. 17:38 < bliblok> nope 17:38 < scorche|sh> all green lights...i think that means they are fine 17:38 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #linode 17:40 -!- lakin_ [~lakin@S01060013101832cd.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #linode 17:41 < SelfishMan> Depends on how they move. Just a shake won't hurt them much but tilting them more than 5 degrees can be disastrous 17:42 < SelfishMan> oops. *15 degrees 17:43 < BubbleWrap> :o 17:44 -!- r3z [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45 < `James> what do you do if u deleted /etc/apache2/httpd.conf file? 17:45 < `James> :| 17:45 < caker> unrm 17:46 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s12.cinergycom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50 < `James> ok ignore that 17:50 < `James> i found this site 17:50 < `James> and it says 17:50 < `James> Edit /etc/apache2/httpd.conf and find this line: 17:50 < `James> mine is empty tho 17:51 < SelfishMan> It should be 17:51 < `James> http://www.linux.com/feature/118471 17:51 < `James> Check that 17:51 < `James> If Apache is installed correctly, you can set up virtual hosting easily by editing Apache configuration files. The main .conf files in /etc/apache2 include httpd.conf, error.conf, server-tuning.conf, and a bunch more. These files are set for read-only access for normal users; you must gain root access with the sudo or su command to change them. 17:51 < SelfishMan> In Ubuntu, httpd.conf is not used but apache2.conf is 17:52 < `James> so i cant do it 17:52 < `James> because Include /etc/apache2/vhosts.d/*.conf isnt in httpd.conf 17:53 < SelfishMan> Under Ubuntu, site specific stuff should be placed in it's own .conf file under /etc/apache2/sites-available 17:53 -!- linville [~linville@sapphire.tuxdriver.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:53 < SelfishMan> It should then be symlinked under /etc/apache2/sites-enabled 17:53 < BubbleWrap> Ubuntu <3 17:54 < `James> oh cool 17:55 -!- SpaceHobo [~spacehobo@78-105-8-188.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #linode 17:56 < `James> DocumentRoot /srv/www/htdocs/directory_of_your_choice/ - does that have to be in /srv/www/htdocs 17:56 < `James> so like /srv/www/htdocs/james 17:57 < SelfishMan> Your default site will be /var/www 17:57 < SelfishMan> not /srv/www/htdocs 17:57 < `James> i know my default site, but im trying to make another :\ 17:57 < `James> to have 2 sites 17:58 -!- Hank28 [~945701aa@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 17:58 < SelfishMan> then create a directory (any directory), make sure it is owned by www-data:www-data and then create the new config file 17:58 < Hank28> (I'm a potential Linode customer) ... Does anyone else notice that pages on Linode.com take a long time to load? Is that an indentication of their server performance? 17:59 < Peng_> Linode.com is slow? 17:59 < Toba_> no. 17:59 < Toba_> it's not. 17:59 < Hank28> not the front page, but the sub pages 17:59 < Peng_> Hmm, the forum might be a little slow. 17:59 < `James> [22:58] then create a directory (any directory), make sure it is owned by www-data:www-data and then create the new config file - I dont get that :P can you please explain 17:59 < SelfishMan> Hank28: I'm not having any problems getting pages to load. Very fast for me. As for node performance, I have no problems and moved to Linode because it was *substantially* faster. 18:00 < Peng_> Ehh, faq.cfm might be a little slower than instant. 18:00 < SelfishMan> mkdir /var/www/newsite 18:00 -!- CJ [~CJ@r74-192-74-240.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Quit: またね！] 18:00 < Hank28> SelfishMan: faster that what? what was your previous host? Shared-host? etc 18:01 < Hank28> yeah, all of the .CFM pages are dog slow for me 18:01 < `James> [23:00] mkdir /var/www/newsite - That just makes a new folder on the site? 18:01 < `James> on the main one 18:01 < SelfishMan> Hank28: I had an anti-spam system running on Tektonic before that would take several minutes to generate a page if it completed at all. The exact same software running on a Linode 540 (256MB less RAM) was able to deal with everything and generate pages in fractions of a second. 18:01 < Hank28> I have YSlow firefox plugin installed ... it shows that most of the .CFM pages takes between 4-6 seconds to render 18:02 < Peng_> Uhh. 18:02 < SelfishMan> `James: Then create /var/domains/newsite 18:02 < Peng_> faq.cfm takes a fraction of a second longer to respond for me, but otherwise loads fine. 18:02 < Peng_> Maybe there's a network issue? 18:02 < Hank28> the http://www.linode.com/features.cfm page took 4.979s to load. I'm on a 3 MB DSL modem 18:03 < SelfishMan> All the pages on the linode site are taking less than a second to load for me and I'm on a crappy cable modem right now that is maxed out with other traffic 18:03 < Peng_> Hank28: WFM. 18:03 < Hank28> wfm? 18:03 < Battousai> worksforme 18:03 < Peng_> Works for me. It's not a very popular acronym, but I'm trying to change that! :) 18:04 < TJF> spacebar ftw 18:04 < TJF> :o 18:04 < `James> [23:01] `James: Then create /var/domains/newsite - Sorry to be a pain, but then how would I connect to it :P via url 18:04 < Toba_> Peng_: that acronym wfm 18:05 < SelfishMan> `James: Like I said earlier, you still need to create the vhost .conf file under /etc/apache2/sites-available and put your config in there 18:05 < Hank28> here is a screenshot showing YSlow indicating slow page rendering ... --> http://i34.tinypic.com/14u0q9.png 18:05 < SelfishMan> then you need to symlink it under /etc/apache2/sites-enabled 18:05 < SelfishMan> Hank28: We don't doubt it is slow for you but what we are saying is that the pages aren't slow loading for us. 18:06 < Hank28> maybe you are geographically located closer to the linode data center 18:06 < Hank28> I'm in Texas 18:06 < SelfishMan> Hank28: So to answer your original question, the page load times being slow for you don't reflect the performance of the VPS itself. 18:06 < Hank28> and maybe you are pulling the pages from browser cached memory 18:06 < SelfishMan> Hank28: I guarantee you are several thousand miles closer (geographically) to the server than I am 18:06 < caker> TOTAL EXECUTION TIME 7ms <-- features.cfm 18:07 < caker> 4ms <-- why.cfm 18:07 < jkwood> 7 MILLION SECONDS!?!?! 18:07 < Battousai> the linode running that site is in dallas btw 18:07 < silverblade> its over 9000. 18:07 < caker> 34ms <-- /index.cfm 18:07 < TJF> I remember when a page loading in 5 seconds was fast 18:07 < Battousai> haha 18:07 < GMFlash> anyone here an ubuntu pro? i'm trying to install the php5-mysql package without installing the dependencies apache2-mpm-prefork and libapache2-mod-php5 but aptitude won't let me. is there any way around this? 18:07 < silverblade> cricket bat. 18:07 < caker> 4ms <-- faq.cfm 18:08 < GMFlash> i plan on running php using mod_fcgid and would like to use apache worker, not prefork 18:08 < Hank28> clear your browser cache and retry it 18:08 < Hank28> nearly 7 seconds for the wiki page --> http://i33.tinypic.com/2ivi69c.png 18:08 < caker> browser cache does not effect cfml execution time 18:09 < Battousai> er 18:09 < fuzzie> GMFlash: You've already installed apache worker? 18:09 < GMFlash> fuzzie: yes 18:09 < GMFlash> it insists on uninstalling worker and replacing it with prefork 18:09 < TJF> betcha a dollar it's the google code 18:09 < Peng_> Is linode.com still a UML node? 18:09 < Internat> if its uninstalling worker 18:10 < Internat> you need to remove libapache-php 18:10 < fuzzie> GMFlash: Well, the problem is that a bunch of PHP modules break if you don't use prefork, and it looks like the Ubuntu folks require prefork due to that. 18:10 < Internat> because fcgi doesnt use the apache module. 18:10 < avongauss> is YSlow measuring the time it takes to retrieve the page or is it also measuring the time it takes to render the page? 18:10 < GMFlash> fuzzie: that's only if you use mod_php. i'm running it as fcgi 18:10 < fuzzie> but, yes, install php5-cgi first? 18:10 < jkwood> What? Dependency management isn't perfect? *horrors* 18:10 < bd__> there's always fastcgi mode 18:10 < fuzzie> it doesn't seem to drag -mod-php5 along if you do that. 18:11 < GMFlash> i'll give that a shot. /me hates mod_php 18:13 < `James> ok so ive got this right selfishman: go to /etc/apache2/site-available/default - Edit default with the config bit.. make the new directory, in /www/james and add /www/james in the config file? 18:13 < `James> that right? 18:13 < SelfishMan> `James: copy the default config file for the new site since it is already in use for the main one 18:15 -!- Navi` [~Navi`@a82-95-218-113.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #linode 18:15 < SelfishMan> `James: http://p.linode.com/1106 18:16 < `James> thanks 18:16 < GMFlash> fuzzie / Internat / bd__: FYI I found this little guide that was helpful: http://ivan.gudangbaca.com/installing_apache2_and_php5_using_mod_fcgid 18:17 < GMFlash> it's strange that installing php5-mysql insists on installing mod_php unless you first install php-cgi 18:17 < mikegrb> fuzzie: when did you get here?! 18:18 < TJF> !seen fuzzie 18:18 < linbot> TJF: fuzzie was last seen in #linode 7 minutes and 45 seconds ago: it doesn't seem to drag -mod-php5 along if you do that. 18:19 < Hank28> avongauss: time it takes to get the page 18:20 < Hank28> Looks like people in the forum experience slowness as well --> http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1422 18:21 -!- asedeno [~asedeno@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:21 < Peng_> Haha, that page took a long time to start loading. 18:21 < HockeyInJune> Any promotion codes, at the moment? 18:21 < Peng_> Hank28: Um, that thread is from January 2005, and wasn't he swapping to death? 18:21 < SelfishMan> Hank28: That slowness mentioned in the forum is because of what that user was doing with their linode 18:22 -!- asedeno [~asedeno@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #linode 18:22 < SelfishMan> You've hit the IO limiter: 18:22 < SelfishMan> 18:22 < SelfishMan> io_count=8002877 io_rate=499 io_tokens=-193 token_refill=512 token_max=400000 18:22 < SelfishMan> due to your high swap usage (most likely): 18:22 < Peng_> HockeyInJune: There was recently one for WebHostingTalk, I think. 18:22 < SelfishMan> That was a message from caker in that thread 18:22 < SelfishMan> That would be IO thrashing and I'm glad that persons Linode ran slow considering what they were doing 18:24 < HockeyInJune> Peng_, Found it thanks! 18:24 < `James> oh sorry selfishman lol what do i name the file again? 18:24 < mikegrb> lolz 18:24 < `James> vhost.something 18:24 < SelfishMan> `James: Anything you want. I typically do the name of the site 18:24 < `James> oh ok 18:24 < SelfishMan> but it most go in /etc/apache2/sites-available 18:25 < `James> i did 18:25 < SelfishMan> Then create a symlink to it under /etc/apache2/sites-enabled 18:25 < `James> /etc/apache2/sites-available/firstplacesource 18:25 < `James> i got a fil 000-default 18:25 < `James> do i make a new file or append? 18:25 < SelfishMan> New file 18:26 < `James> if new, whats it called 18:26 < `James> anything? 18:26 -!- TJF [~TJF_GN@pat.foulston.com] has quit [Quit: I quit!] 18:26 -!- Hank28 [~945701aa@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:26 < SelfishMan> Yes, anything. A name that makes sense to you based on what the site is 18:26 < `James> ok thank you for taking the time to help me :D 18:26 < SelfishMan> Hmm...I don't think Hank28 liked what he was told!! 18:26 < `James> is it a .txt file 18:26 < `James> mine dont say 18:27 < SelfishMan> Well, it's a config file but it doesn't need an extension. This isn't windows! 18:27 < `James> \o/ im a newb :< 18:28 < `James> take it the # cat /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/selfishman was an example and can be removed 18:28 < `James> for the # commend 18:28 < `James> comment* 18:28 < SelfishMan> Yes 18:29 < `James> ok done that now i just need to restart apache 18:29 -!- mendel [~rich@TOROON12-1279379717.sdsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: mendel] 18:30 < `James> will it create the directories and files for me 18:31 < SelfishMan> No, you need to do that 18:32 < `James> ok 18:32 < `James> and last ever question (for tonight, promise) DocumentRoot /var/www/domains/firstplacesource.com/html - whats the /html 18:33 < Guest291> you dont need to do symlinks yourself, you can use a2ensite 18:33 < Guest291> and a2dissite 18:33 < Guest291> Guest?! 18:33 -!- Guest291 is now known as Dave 18:33 < `James> Hi Dave :) 18:34 < SelfishMan> I use /var/www/domains/domain.com/html for the site (html, php, etc) and /var/www/domains/domain.com/cgi-bin/ for the cgi stuff 18:34 < fuzzie> mikegrb: ♥ 18:34 < `James> what do i point my domain at? 18:34 < `James> crap that was a question 18:34 < `James> XD 18:35 < Dave> `James: your linode... 18:35 < `James> and it'll do the rest? 18:35 -!- Navi` [~Navi`@a82-95-218-113.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:35 -!- Navi` [~Navi`@a82-95-218-113.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #linode 18:35 < Dave> apache will 18:35 < `James> <3 apache 18:38 < `James> ok apache no errrors ill try linking domain now 18:39 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49 < SeishinMoon> http://www.unforgettable.dk/42.zip < lmao someone try extracting this on one of their boxes 18:49 < SeishinMoon> bad bad news 18:49 < SeishinMoon> =P 18:49 * Peng_ hits SeishinMoon. 18:49 -!- Infinito [~argos@li6-217.members.linode.com] has joined #linode 18:50 < SeishinMoon> lol hi Peng_... 18:50 < mikegrb> lolz 18:50 < SelfishMan> SeishinMoon: I used to have the resources to exract half of it 18:50 < SpaceHobo> SeishinMoon: try http://zork.net/pub/zero.gz 18:50 < SeishinMoon> SelfishMan, haha wow 18:50 < SeishinMoon> SpaceHobo, hmm :p 18:50 * SelfishMan contracts for seagate 18:51 < `James> Dave & SelfishMan, I configured apache, restarted, pointed my domain at my linode, now check www.firstplacesource.com out. It's not working :S 18:51 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #linode 18:51 -!- Infinito [~argos@li6-217.members.linode.com] has quit [] 18:51 < SeishinMoon> SpaceHobo, it's just a 1365 MB file inside. 18:51 < `James> Apparently it links to an apche directory. But I cant view it 18:51 < SpaceHobo> yeah but check out that compression ratio 18:51 < SpaceHobo> I actually stopped at 1G to be kind 18:52 < SelfishMan> !dns www.firstplacesource.com 18:52 < linbot> SelfishMan: 207.192.70.94 18:52 < SeishinMoon> SpaceHobo, lol I know... 42.zip is waaaay better ;) 18:52 < mikegrb> lolz 18:52 < SeishinMoon> SpaceHobo, that 42 byte zip contains 4.5 petabytes 18:52 < SpaceHobo> nice 18:52 < SeishinMoon> lol yup... 18:52 < mikegrb> lolz 18:52 < SeishinMoon> not mine though. 18:52 < SelfishMan> `James: Well, it is running as it's own site. Did you place your site files in the same directory as you specified in your .conf file? 18:53 < `James> i didnt put site files in yet 18:53 < `James> when i go to the url 18:53 < `James> i go to my old site 18:53 < `James> that the domain was pointing at 18:53 < `James> but when i view through a proxy it works 18:53 < `James> :S 18:53 < SelfishMan> `James: That is why nothing shows up. I get "Index of /" when I go to it 18:53 < `James> Yeah i didnt make a file yet :P 18:53 < SelfishMan> `James: Hold Control and click refresh or clear your browser cache 18:53 < `James> i personally cant view it 18:54 < `James> same :/ 18:54 < `James> Maybe I just need to wait a while 18:54 < SelfishMan> Well, I can say it is showing "Index of /" which is correct if you haven't put any content up yet. I can also see it isn't the main site as that shows a SQL error. 18:55 < SelfishMan> Close that window/tab and clear your browser cache and try again 18:55 < `James> k 18:55 < `James> same 18:55 < `James> Usually its instant :< 18:56 < SelfishMan> Did you just change IP's for the site? 18:56 < `James> what do you mean? 18:57 -!- spasmface [~spasm@r220-101-68-180.cpe.unwired.net.au] has joined #linode 18:57 < SelfishMan> www.firstplacesource.com resolves to 207.192.70.94. Did you just change that or has it been set to that for a while? 18:57 < `James> just changed 18:57 < `James> thats my linode ip 18:57 < SelfishMan> That's why. Cached DNS. What OS are you using right now? 18:57 < `James> vista 18:57 < `James> unfortunatly 18:57 < SelfishMan> I think ipconfig /flushdns still works on vista 18:58 < `James> i can try my ubuntu? 18:58 < SelfishMan> but your upstream DNS will still have it cached. Give it a while 18:58 < `James> ok 18:58 < SelfishMan> Until then, put some content up there 18:59 < `James> i put "website #2" :P 18:59 < SelfishMan> "This is website #2" 19:00 < SelfishMan> `James: You might want to fix the SQL error on the other site on your linode. 19:02 < `James> done 19:02 < SelfishMan> groovy. Now be patient 19:03 < `James> one day this will be instant :P one day 19:03 < SelfishMan> Nope. That defeats the nature of DNS 19:03 < `James> :[ 19:03 < SelfishMan> It was instant for me because I don't have the old IP cached 19:03 * jkwood defeats the nature of 19:03 < jkwood> Darnit. 19:04 * SelfishMan natures the defeat of jkwood 19:04 -!- lakin [~lakin@S01060013101832cd.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:04 < Battousai> one day dns will die 19:04 -!- bd__ is now known as bd_ 19:04 < jetlag> AOL keyword FTW 19:04 < SelfishMan> Yeah, that will happen about the time that IPv6 becomes part of the last mile 19:05 < Battousai> mile to where? 19:05 < bd_> Battousai: nowhere. 19:05 < `James> shows me correct site on ubuntu ^_^ 19:05 < SelfishMan> to your home, office, etc 19:05 < `James> so its vista thats not updated 19:05 < `James> :< 19:05 < SelfishMan> ipconfig /flushdns should fix it. I think. I don't know Vista all that well though 19:05 -!- SelfishMan [~SelfishMa@host-72-175-55-117.lvt-mt.client.bresnan.net] has quit [Quit: SelfishMan] 19:06 -!- ipere [~d0360f6f@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode 19:08 < ipere> how do i setup relayhost on postfix 19:09 -!- TheFirst [gaveup@your.friendly.neighborhood.hellmouth.info] has joined #linode 19:12 -!- elky [~melissa@symposium.elkbuntu.net] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 19:12 -!- elky [~melissa@symposium.elkbuntu.net] has joined #linode 19:13 -!- ipere [~d0360f6f@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:15 -!- Navi` [~Navi`@a82-95-218-113.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Navi`] 19:23 -!- Dreamr_3 [~Dreamer3@74-129-225-206.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:26 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: If you ask you know I don't mind kneeling, but when my knees hurt, I'd like to stand.] 19:35 -!- lyoung [~lyoung@ool-45767b7e.dyn.optonline.net] has left #linode [] 19:36 -!- ramis [~5b8c9be0@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #linode 19:42 -!- SelfishMan [~SelfishMa@75-175-175-10.blng.qwest.net] has joined #linode 19:43 -!- pbryan [~pbryan@209.52.48.162] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:45 -!- ceej_ [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 19:46 -!- ceej [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 19:46 -!- ceej_ [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:46 < linbot> New news from forums: Gentoo Setup in General Discussion 19:47 -!- jcn [~jcn@rrcs-208-105-67-138.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:48 -!- chris|web [~4b3fcf75@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52 -!- maine [~9f998c0a@webuser.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:54 -!- ceej_ [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #linode 19:54 -!- ceej [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02 -!- cruxeternus [~cruxetern@pool-68-162-180-2.pitt.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03 -!- Toba [~eastein@pool-68-160-137-240.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: what has science done?] 20:04 -!- lakin_ is now known as THESUN 20:07 -!- Bass10 [~fake@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09 -!- xitology [~xi@78.31.182.24] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:11 -!- Toba [~eastein@pool-68-160-137-240.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #linode 20:11 -!- xiownthispla [xiownthisp@bl6-226-150.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #linode 20:11 < xiownthispla> hi 20:11 < SelfishMan> ni hao 20:11 < xiownthispla> something wrong with lindode? 20:12 < xiownthispla> linode 20:12 < booja_> lindiode 20:12 < SelfishMan> Can you be more specific as to your problem? 20:12 < straterra> which location? 20:12 < xiownthispla> i cant access my server nor the linode page 20:12 < xiownthispla> dallas i believe 20:12 < SelfishMan> Working from here just fine 20:12 < tasaro> working great from here 20:13 < xiownthispla> FF-> The server at www.linode.com is taking too long to respond. 20:13 < booja_> I can't access my lino... oh wait a second 20:13 < booja_> I'm ircing from it! 20:13 < booja_> fremont is up :P 20:13 < Battousai> WFM 20:14 < SelfishMan> xiownthispla: Have you tried, ping/traceroute/mtr? 20:14 < xiownthispla> yea, it pings a bit 20:15 < SelfishMan> Let me rephrase that 20:15 < SelfishMan> Can you provide some results of a tracert/mtr? 20:15 < SelfishMan> Hard to diagnose a problem without any info 20:15 < xiownthispla> can i give the ip? 20:16 < path-> traceroute & mtr is really important to be used from your perspective, not ours 20:16 < SelfishMan> If you would like but it won't mean much since things work for us 20:17 < xiownthispla> well, i cant do mtr, since i am on windows 20:17 < SelfishMan> winmtr 20:17 -!- ondrej [~ondra@ip4-83-240-41-73.cust.nbox.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:17 < caker> http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ 20:17 < SelfishMan> !google winmtr 20:17 < PAtrik> Results for winmtr on Google: 20:17 < PAtrik> http://s.cnl.tuke.sk/~jozjan/dwl/ 20:17 < PAtrik> http://stargate.cnl.tuke.sk/~jozjan/dwl/?D=D 20:17 < PAtrik> -- 20:17 < linbot> SelfishMan: Search took 0.16 seconds: WinMTR - 0.8: ; WinMTR download and review - traceroute program with built in ping ...: ; WinMTR Download: ; SourceForge.net: WinMTR: ; Download WinMTR 0.8 - WinMTR is a windows clone of popular Matt's ...: (2 more messages) 20:17 < Battousai> what the 20:17 < caker> !winmtr 20:17 < linbot> http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ 20:17 < caker> :> 20:18 * CaptObviousman pats linbot 20:18 -!- xiownthispla [xiownthisp@bl6-226-150.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n 2.0 Build 3515 July'07 Release] 20:18 < SelfishMan> sweet. one more command to remember 20:18 < CaptObviousman> good boy 20:18 < path-> !google googlebot 20:18 < PAtrik> Results for googlebot on Google: 20:18 < PAtrik> http://www.webring.sk/weblog/2007/01/06/zacal-googlebot-prehladavat-css-subory/ 20:18 < PAtrik> http://www.webring.sk/weblog/2005/08/03/googlebot-robot-vyhladavaca-google/ 20:18 < PAtrik> http://niesom.vsevedko.sk/tag/googlebot 20:18 < PAtrik> -- 20:18 < linbot> path-: Search took 0.15 seconds: Googlebot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; View a Web Page as ' Googlebot ': ; How Google crawls my site: ; Googlebot: ; Disguise Yourself As Google (2 more messages) 20:18 < path-> Hmmmmm 20:18 < CaptObviousman> stop googling shit! 20:18 < SelfishMan> Um, who is patrik and why is he doing the google thing 20:18 < straterra> !google shit 20:18 < PAtrik> Results for shit on Google: 20:18 < PAtrik> http://music.box.sk/news.php3?id=5336 20:18 < PAtrik> http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=7867343 20:18 < PAtrik> http://gtcup.com/forumBB2/viewtopic.php?t=29 20:18 < PAtrik> -- 20:18 < linbot> straterra: No matches found. (Search took 0.00 seconds) 20:18 < caker> PAtrik: list 20:18 * CaptObviousman slaps straterra 20:19 < SelfishMan> PAtrik knows more than linbot!!!!!!!! 20:19 < straterra> linbot is FAIL 20:19 < path-> PAtIrcClient v 0.1 20:19 < path-> heh 20:26 < avongauss> Just read the scrollback, Hank28 is also wrong, from their page ySlow is used to determine page loading and page rendering times. 20:27 < avongauss> it was a rhetorical question that I asked him. 20:30 < SelfishMan> avongauss: I didn't feel like arguing that point earlier since it seemed as though there was no right answer for his question. 20:32 < avongauss> SelfishMan: I hear ya, its probably better he went elsewhere. 20:38 < caker> developers developers developers developers 20:38 < caker> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20:38 * SelfishMan wonders if caker was listening to a stevel balmer speech again 20:39 < Battousai> ascuse us 20:40 < avongauss> damn, caker must be looking at my code. 20:40 < avongauss> I swear it works on my machine! 20:48 -!- Schroeder [1000@kntpin04-nas-02-s188.cinergycom.net] has joined #linode 20:50 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: If you ask you know I don't mind kneeling, but when my knees hurt, I'd like to stand.] 20:53 -!- ceej_ [~cjlazell@cpe-76-94-228-101.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ceej_] 20:53 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #linode 21:01 -!- sveiss [~sveiss@2001:470:1f09:2a4:21b:63ff:fe06:ad18] has joined #linode 21:05 * CaptObviousman sets fire to a mattress 21:06 * SelfishMan sets fire to CaptObviousman 21:06 * CaptObviousman attacks with a crowbar 21:06 * SelfishMan attacks with a flaming mattress 21:08 < CaptObviousman> gyahh, cheater 21:08 < CaptObviousman> also, why the hell is Amy Winehouse always in the news? 21:08 < SelfishMan> Hey, you set fire to it, not me 21:09 * SelfishMan throws flaming mattress at Amy Winehouse 21:09 < CaptObviousman> that's a much better use for it 21:09 < SelfishMan> I hate her. I think she is in the news because she is *worse* than Britney Spears 21:09 * SelfishMan takes CaptObviousman's crowbar and throws that too 21:10 -!- bliblok [~bjornar@ti500720a080-8908.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:11 < HoopyCat> amy winehouse is like britney spears, 'cept with some talent 21:12 < SelfishMan> The last performance I heard was pretty bad. Can't even tell what she was singing. 21:12 * Pryon has not knowingly heard Ms. Winehouse 21:12 < HoopyCat> SelfishMan: unfortunately, the ballmer peak applies to musicians as well 21:15 -!- hfb [~hfb@pool-71-118-254-245.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:16 < HoopyCat> yaknow, that's something i could do. regulate alcohol consumption by performing artists to maximize quality. 21:17 * HoopyCat works on an ad for the back of Shitty Garage Band Quarterly 21:18 -!- Infinito [~yingyang@200-140-66-190.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #linode 21:18 -!- Infinito [~yingyang@200-140-66-190.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30 * BP{k} wonders if there si a firefox plugin that would block news about amy whingehouse. 21:31 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: If you ask you know I don't mind kneeling, but when my knees hurt, I'd like to stand.] 21:36 * CaptObviousman wonders if she would do us all the favor of eliminating herself quietly 21:37 < SelfishMan> At this rate she will 21:41 < Clorith> she ? 21:41 < Clorith> I heard talk of a female! 21:41 * Clorith jumps into activity 21:42 < SelfishMan> Clorith: It was Amy Winehouse so no need to get excited 21:42 < Clorith> oh 21:42 * Clorith quietly sneaks away 21:42 < booja_> there are no females on the internet 21:42 < booja_> it's all a conspiracy by the illuminati 21:42 < Clorith> I beg to differ 21:42 < Clorith> Maybe I am part of the illuminato ? 21:42 < Clorith> *illuminati 21:42 < booja_> you might be 21:43 < booja_> so might I, spreading disinformation 21:43 < StevenK> On the Internet, the men are men, the women are men, and the young girls are FBI agents 21:43 < straterra> who are also men 21:43 < booja_> and the trannies are men too 21:43 * CaptObviousman stabs StevenK once for every god damn time he's heard that joke 21:43 < booja_> zing! 21:43 < CaptObviousman> enjoy your 7483 stab wounds, StevenK 21:43 < StevenK> Haha 21:43 < Clorith> indeed 21:43 < Clorith> and by sayign I might be part of the society, I am in fact making people think that is such a stupid thign to do he can in no way be part 21:44 < Clorith> so by saying I am part, I am ensuring my identity is in fact kept secret! 21:44 < StevenK> CaptObviousman: It's quite sad that you kept track 21:44 < Hobbsee> CaptObviousman: the FBI send their regards. 21:44 < CaptObviousman> well I let the first 4000 or so go, then I decided it was too ridiculous 21:44 < CaptObviousman> started making small cuts on my forearms 21:45 < Clorith> any way, I have ~220 more users to delete for inactivity, it'll be a looooooooong night 21:45 < Clorith> xD 21:45 < CaptObviousman> if only there was some way you could script it 21:45 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #linode 21:45 < Clorith> I tried 21:45 < Clorith> PHP did not take to owell to it, for some reaosn it would only actually perform the deletion on the last user entered in the list 21:46 < Clorith> I even went into variouse #php channels asking for help, nobody else could find out why either 21:46 < Clorith> well, we found out it was mysql preventing it 21:46 < StevenK> CaptObviousman: And after you died from massive blood loss? 21:46 < Clorith> since a query is needed to figure out the location of the users, and then fetch the right info, socket to that location and perform a delete, then remove the mysql entry 21:52 < Peng_> What are you deleting inactive users from? 21:54 < Clorith> my bnc service 21:55 < Clorith> no logins for 5 days without any notification means deletion 21:55 < Clorith> except I haven't done a purge i na whiel becasue I've been on vacation 21:55 -!- PAtrik is now known as PAtrik|off 21:55 < CaptObviousman> bnc is what again 21:55 < Clorith> bouncer 21:55 < Clorith> irc proxy basically 21:56 -!- PAtrik|off is now known as PAtrik 21:57 < CaptObviousman> I think this was explained to me before but it did the in-one-ear, out-the-other trick 21:57 -!- Bass10 [~fake@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #linode 21:57 < CaptObviousman> this is so people can dick around and get k-lined? 21:58 < Clorith> well, if run horribly, yes 21:58 < Clorith> but if you know what you are doing, it is a usefull service that people enjoy using 21:58 < Clorith> you know, masking your IP on networks like EFNet, retaining channels and nicknames where they dont have any form of services 21:58 < Clorith> stuff like that 22:01 < PAtrik> caker , SelfishMan : sorry for google script i fixed it :) 22:01 < PAtrik> all: hi 22:01 < SelfishMan> !google google 22:02 < linbot> SelfishMan: (google google [--{language,restrict} ] [--{notsafe,similar}]) -- Searches google.com for the given string. As many results as can fit are included. --language accepts a language abbreviation; --restrict restricts the results to certain classes of things; --similar tells Google not to filter similar results. --notsafe allows possibly work-unsafe results. 22:02 < SelfishMan> sweet! 22:02 * CaptObviousman googles for exotic ways to kill SelfishMan 22:03 < StevenK> If Google is up to snuff, the top hit would be this IRC log that just contained the line. 22:04 < CaptObviousman> shouldn't you be bleeding out or something? 22:04 < CaptObviousman> that wasn't a small knife I used 22:04 < PAtrik> SelfishMan: you dont saw it crowd? :) 22:04 < PAtrik> SelfishMan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fet0SCt7uGg 22:07 < Hobbsee> CaptObviousman: some of us use irc proxies responsibly :P 22:08 < Clorith> and of course there's staff at hand to take care of any potential abuse reports :P 22:08 < Clorith> abusive users get suspended, then we investigate :D 22:08 < Clorith> so far i've only experienced 5 abusers, and only 1 has been reported by an outside source 22:08 -!- spasmface [~spasm@r220-101-68-180.cpe.unwired.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09 < jetlag> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! 22:09 < jetlag> BENNIGAN'S has closed! 22:11 -!- bob2 [rob@egads.ertius.org] has joined #linode 22:12 < Schroeder> it appears the St. Petersburg Communist Party is considering asking the Russian Orthodox Church to canonize Stalin... 22:13 -!- Bass10 [~fake@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20 < Pryon> Well, he *did* perform at least one miracle. 22:20 < Schroeder> also, http://www.theotherrussia.org/2008/07/18/term-extended-for-jailed-russian-executive/ 22:20 < Schroeder> and I had such hopes for Medvedev... 22:21 < taupehat> CaptObviousman: ping 22:21 < taupehat> ergh 22:21 < erikh> taupehat: yo 22:21 < taupehat> wrong person 22:21 < taupehat> hi erikh 22:21 < erikh> hihi 22:22 < taupehat> how's it? 22:22 < erikh> eh, sos 22:22 < erikh> getting close to releasing new dbi 22:22 < erikh> installing arch today for kicks 22:22 < erikh> it's surprisingly nice 22:23 < erikh> if I didn't know damn well what i'd be in for, i'd think about reinstalling my linode with it 22:23 < taupehat> dbi? 22:23 < erikh> taupehat: DBI for ruby, it's a database interface 22:23 < erikh> I bitched about it one day 22:23 < booja_> database based interwebs 22:23 < taupehat> ah 22:23 < erikh> maujean dared me to maintain it 22:23 < taupehat> rewbee 22:23 < erikh> now I maintain it a lot 22:23 < taupehat> heh 22:23 < taupehat> goot 22:24 * taupehat is shopping KVM switches 22:24 < taupehat> more mundane, really 22:24 < erikh> well, most people just think i'm insane for taking it. 22:24 < taupehat> but ffs, the one we have passes multiple newlines, which makes mergemaster a pathetically-wrong endeavor 22:24 < taupehat> among other annoyances 22:24 < erikh> it's 8 years old now and 7 1/2 years of work on it was done by people who don't maintain it anymore 22:24 < erikh> and it shows 22:24 < erikh> bad 22:24 < taupehat> heh 22:25 < erikh> mergemaster 22:25 < erikh> the term 22:25 < erikh> it's so familiar 22:25 < taupehat> "/* Do not enable the following unless you have more than eight megs of ram!" 22:25 < taupehat> "/*" 22:25 < erikh> oh! freebsd 22:25 < taupehat> yes 22:25 < erikh> actually, heh, I was looking at FreeBSD today 22:25 < taupehat> upgrading one of our servers to RELENG_7_0 22:25 < taupehat> from 6 something 22:25 < erikh> pleasantly surprised with arch as an alternatiev 22:25 < taupehat> and mergemaster is extensive 22:26 < erikh> taupehat: did you finally see the light and enjoy it? 22:26 < erikh> freebsd that is 22:26 -!- ajmitch [~ajmitch@118-92-147-100.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:26 < taupehat> but impossible when the damn IP KVM switch hits newline 20 times at a go 22:26 < taupehat> erikh: Sometimes I like it, sometimes I hate it. Usually the latter is the result of someone else believing it's a square peg that will fit the hole when it isn't 22:27 < taupehat> it sucks eggs for a lot of things, rocks for others 22:27 < erikh> well at least it's not frothing uncontrollably like you used to 22:27 < taupehat> you didn't see me last week 22:27 < erikh> heh 22:27 < taupehat> someone decided he had to run JBoss on fBSD 22:27 < taupehat> and needed it up yesterday 22:27 < erikh> taupehat: yeah, if you haven't yet... take a peek at arch 22:28 < erikh> i've had it installed for... 4 hours now 22:28 < erikh> already built two packages for myself 22:28 < erikh> not from their source tree... from scratch 22:28 -!- zodttd|away [~me@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 22:28 < erikh> it's dead simple 22:28 < erikh> taupehat: ouch. java + freebsd normally means pain 22:28 < taupehat> erikh: s/normally/always 22:29 < taupehat> although visits from colonel panic are kind of surprising 22:30 < bd_> s/+ freebsd // 22:30 < taupehat> bd_: heh 22:31 < erikh> taupehat: i know they changed the license a while back 22:31 < erikh> can the port maintainers distribute sun java now without patching it after it's unpacked? 22:32 < erikh> it used to be, the port couldn't download it, so you had to get an account on java.sun.com, download the source package, and the port would patch+build that, and install it 22:32 < erikh> royal pain in the ass, and even then you were lucky if it worked 22:32 < taupehat> you have to download source 22:32 < taupehat> then the timezone update 22:32 < taupehat> and some other annoying crap 22:32 < erikh> ugh. 22:32 < taupehat> patch, patch, grind 22:33 < erikh> taupehat: btw, check out a tiling WM sometime if you haven't yet 22:33 < erikh> i'm unbelievably addicted 22:36 -!- MrRx7 [~Owner@dpc674448253.direcpc.com] has joined #linode 22:38 -!- r3z`` [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #linode 22:38 -!- r3z` [~r3z@c-68-58-96-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39 -!- THESUN is now known as lakin 22:52 -!- MrRx7 [~Owner@dpc674448253.direcpc.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:56 -!- spasmface [~spasm@r220-101-68-180.cpe.unwired.net.au] has joined #linode 23:02 -!- kupesoft [~dave@CPE004314674170-CM0018c0c44e76.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:02 < caker> SHAMWOW! 23:02 -!- lakin [~lakin@S01060013101832cd.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:03 * CaptObviousman eyes 23:03 < taupehat> O RLY? 23:03 < CaptObviousman> who is taupehat again? 23:03 < taupehat> CaptObviousman: I am I 23:03 < erikh> CaptObviousman: some knucklehead. 23:03 < encode> CaptObviousman: he is he 23:03 < taupehat> and I am the guy who borked tab completion, genius that I am 23:03 < taupehat> so ignore the highlight unless you really don't want to 23:03 < taupehat> lol 23:03 < mikegrb> lolz 23:03 < taupehat> rofl 23:03 < mikegrb> roflz 23:03 < taupehat> cake 23:03 < mikegrb> mmm cake 23:04 < SelfishMan> cake 23:04 < mikegrb> mmm cake 23:04 < SelfishMan> the bot likes cake 23:04 * taupehat chuckles 23:04 < taupehat> mikegrb: do you like cake? 23:04 < mikegrb> mmm cake 23:04 < SelfishMan> yay cake 23:04 < taupehat> neat 23:04 < SelfishMan> cake 23:04 < mikegrb> mmm cake 23:04 -!- jcn [~jcn@207-237-244-88.c3-0.nyw-ubr2.nyr-nyw.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #linode 23:05 < taupehat> I like Nikes 23:05 < taupehat> but wait a minute 23:05 < SelfishMan> mikebot likes cake 23:05 < taupehat> It's the neighborhood support 23:05 < taupehat> that puts the money in it 23:05 < taupehat> SelfishMan: unicode? 23:05 < SelfishMan> eh? 23:05 < taupehat> charset switching? 23:05 < SelfishMan> eh? 23:05 < taupehat> usually mikegrb's listener triggers on the word "cake" consistently 23:06 < mikegrb> mmm cake 23:06 < SelfishMan> cake 23:06 < mikegrb> mmm cake 23:06 < taupehat> but you he ignores sometimes. 23:06 < taupehat> cake 23:06 < SelfishMan> taupehat: He rate limits 23:06 < taupehat> ah 23:06 < taupehat> so I see now 23:06 < SelfishMan> cake 23:06 < taupehat> cake 23:06 < SelfishMan> lol 23:06 < taupehat> cake 23:06 < mikegrb> mmm cake 23:06 < taupehat> rofl 23:06 < taupehat> lol 23:06 < taupehat> cake 23:06 < taupehat> rad! 23:07 < Peng_> Stop screwing with mike. You'll anger FloodServ. 23:07 < SelfishMan> Peng_: That's the idea 23:07 < SelfishMan> oh, and cake 23:07 < mikegrb> mmm cake 23:07 < taupehat> cake 23:07 < mikegrb> mmm cake 23:07 < taupehat> lol 23:07 < taupehat> rfl 23:07 < taupehat> rofl 23:07 < taupehat> 'course, it's also possible that we'll anger mikegrb 23:08 < taupehat> or annoy him at any rate 23:08 < Peng_> SelfishMan: That sounds like a bad idea. 23:08 < Battousai> mikegrb doesn't get angry 23:08 < taupehat> even? 23:08 < Battousai> stabby 23:09 < Peng_> I just realized something: Not only can I /ignore mikebot's responses, but I can pretty effectively ignore people triggering him too. 23:09 < SelfishMan> Peng__: Why? What's wrong with angering floodserv along with cake? 23:09 < mikegrb> mmm cake 23:09 < SelfishMan> alright, this is boring 23:09 < Peng_> SelfishMan: Why does FloodServ deserve this abuse? 23:09 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: If you ask you know I don't mind kneeling, but when my knees hurt, I'd like to stand.] 23:09 < Peng_> Yes, yes it is boring. 23:10 < SelfishMan> FloodServ is an innocent victim in the abuse of mikebot 23:10 * SelfishMan returns to work 23:13 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #linode 23:15 -!- PAtrik [~PAtrik@server.patriknet.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:20 < CaptObviousman> why does mikebot deserve this abuse? 23:22 -!- Syn- [~joer@c-76-117-55-239.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:22 < Peng_> Why do the rest of us deserve this abuse? 23:23 -!- PAtrik [~PAtrik@server.patriknet.sk] has joined #linode 23:24 < erikh> what gives us the right to kill at will 23:24 < erikh> i'll tell ya: guns. big fucking guns with big fucking bullets. 23:25 < booja_> kill will? 23:25 < booja_> what the hell did will do to you? 23:25 < booja_> :( 23:27 < erikh> eh, it's denis leary 23:30 -!- likwid8 [oioioioi@CPE00134640b71d-CM001a665b1ac2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #linode 23:30 < likwid8> hey guys 23:30 < likwid8> is this the right place to ask about a question I have regarding my psybnc and a vhost?> 23:30 < bob2> just use irssi's proxy module 23:31 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: If you ask you know I don't mind kneeling, but when my knees hurt, I'd like to stand.] 23:32 < likwid8> which is that? 23:32 < bob2> irssi is an irc client 23:32 < bob2> it has a proxy module 23:33 < likwid8> i just assigned a host from no-ip.com 23:33 < likwid8> and its not forwarding properly to my psybnc 23:33 < likwid8> any ideas? 23:33 -!- SelfishMan [~SelfishMa@75-175-175-10.blng.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34 -!- meff [~meff@ppp-70-253-193-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #linode 23:34 < bob2> in what way do you think no-ip is involved in forwarding things to a linode? 23:34 < bob2> does the hostname not resolve to your linode's IP? 23:36 < likwid8> no 23:36 < likwid8> sec 23:36 < likwid8> let me check 23:36 < likwid8> brb 23:36 -!- likwid8 [oioioioi@CPE00134640b71d-CM001a665b1ac2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #linode [] 23:37 -!- sveiss [~sveiss@2001:470:1f09:2a4:21b:63ff:fe06:ad18] has quit [Quit: sveiss] --- Log closed Tue Jul 29 23:59:00 2008