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06:12 < BB> morn
08:42 < BB> Kernel panic: switch_mm_skas - PTRACE_SWITCH_MM failed, errno = 1
08:42 < BB> In idle task - not syncing
08:43 < BB> is that a normal uml error (google wasnt very helpful) or have i managed to break it trying ot get skas into gentoo-r5
08:48 < raceme> BB: if your kernel is patched with the first ptrace fix there is an incompatibility with skas mode
08:49 < raceme> BB: look on the community site there is a set of patches which work with 2.4.20 + ptrace + skas
08:50 < BB> ta
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09:05 < meirm> where can I download the uml rpm for rh9?
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09:05 < meirm_> m sept 2002?
09:06 < meirm> whay the last rpm at sf is from sept 2002
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09:07 < meirm> ?
09:23 < BB> cat: /etc/fstab: Input/output error
09:23 < BB> i guess i broke that too ;) heh
09:23  * BB is on a role
09:26 < Lathiat> haha nice
09:30 < Lathiat> dinne
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12:17 < snide> hi !
12:19 < snide> does someone know if there's some doc about skas inner working ? 
12:19 < snide> [ besides the source and the skas page on uml.sf.net ]
12:23 < green> what's wrong with the source? Also some explanations are present in Jeff's diary and in his post to lkml
12:24 < Lathiat_> snide: documentation?
12:24  * Lathiat_ checks
12:24 < Lathiat_> UML is an open source project
12:24 < snide> green: nothing's wrong with it ;-) i just wanted to know if someone just pre-digest it ;-)
12:25 < Lathiat_> i think ur positively insane to expect documentation ;)
12:26 < snide> Lathiat_ : ;-pp
12:28 < green> snide: actually it (skas) inner stuff will change anyway. Based on the discussion Jeff had with Linus, tis "Separate address space" stuff will be widely adopted in all the kernel and syscall will start to take "address space" argument
12:29 < snide> green: yeah, linus evoked a way to make a new sys_call, with would marshall many other syscalls for skas support, no ?
12:30 < green> no, I did not understood what you just said ;)
12:30 < snide> green: sorry ;-)
12:30 < Lathiat_> uh all
12:30 < Lathiat_> jeff sent linus insane :P
12:31 < snide> Lathiat_: nah... actually, he admitted that the /proc/mm was a bad idea... and evoked to have a /dev/mm for an improvement... and linus said "wwwaaa... it's even worse".
12:31 < Lathiat_> lol
12:31 < Lathiat_> dev/mm
12:31 < snide> Lathiat_: and i think he (linus) proposed to have a generic syscall
12:32 < Lathiat_> thats cute since like new syscall + linux usually =bad right?
12:32 < Lathiat_> ergg
12:32  * Lathiat_ bangs head
12:32 < Lathiat_> s/linux/linus
12:32 < Lathiat_> poor guy must get that so much
12:32 < snide> Lathiat_: which should wrap any 'normal' function, but in a SKAS context
12:32 < Lathiat_> at least i didnt hear anyone say "HI LINUX!"
12:32 < Lathiat_> heh
12:33 < snide> Lathiat_: his fault... he should have called linux 'glooby'... 
12:33 < snide> ;)
12:33 < Lathiat_> globy?
12:33 < Lathiat_> he shoulda been totally egotistical
12:33 < Lathiat_> adn called linux linus
12:33 < Lathiat_> so then everyoen would spell his name right
12:33 < Lathiat_> and say ti right
12:33 < snide> Lathiat_: s/glooby/whatever_u_want/
12:34 < Lathiat_> linus stil has one thing going for him.. his kids are cute :P
12:51 < snide> Lathiat_: ;-)
12:54 < Lathiat_> THEY ARE! :)
12:54 < Lathiat_> http://mirror.sixlabs.org/ -> under lca -> photos -> leons galary :P
12:55 < snide> green: actually, i try (very painfully actually) to implement smp on skas... but i'm not really good, so if i could learn how skas is working from elsewhere than the sources, i would be thankfull ;-)
12:55 < snide> Lathiat_: i didn't doubt it.
12:56 < snide> green: hmm.. elsewhere than the source doesn't include 'live uml' :-)
12:58  * snide is back digging the sources ;-)
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16:56 < caker> 2.4.21-rc3 contains the ptrace fix fix :-)
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17:12 < caker> ignore my previous bone-headed comment
17:13 < BB> heh
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17:48 < BB> hm is it TMPDIR i need to set to tell uml to put temp files elsewhere?
17:51 < raceme> what temp files ?
17:51 < BB> its memory
17:52 < snide> BB: yup... TMPFS should be directory in a tmpfs
17:52 < snide> s/TMPFS/TMPDIR/
17:52 < BB> ;)
17:53 < snide> and, putting /tmp in tmpfs has some drawbacks. 
17:53 < snide> hence the TMPFS.
17:53 < BB> yeah i made a /umltmp with tmpfs
17:53 < snide> s/TMPFS/TMPDIR/ <---- 
17:53  * snide is tired.
17:53 < BB> ;)
17:54 < BB> hmm does screen read .bashrc on its way in?
17:55 < raceme> great... i just upgraded my host with 2.4.20 + new ptrace + new skas and umls with 2.4.20-5 and it's working great... pfiou...
17:55 < caker> bb: yes, unless you provide --rcfile
17:55 < snide> BB: yup... but not .bash_profile
17:56 < caker> raceme: pfiou?
17:57 < snide> caker: same as *sigh*
17:57 < raceme> french expression to express relief :)
17:57 < caker> learn something new every day...
17:58 < snide> raceme: ;-)
17:58 < raceme> caker: if you want to learn a real one learn "ouf" which is a real french work, pfiou is just a expression :)
17:58 < raceme> s/work/word/ it seems i'm tired too...
17:59 < BB> hmm its still using /tmp
18:05 < BB> ok it works if i run "bash -login -c linux ... " via screen 
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18:09 < snide> raceme: euh, bin pour rien de précis en fait...
18:09 < snide> oops... sorry [ forgot a leading /msg :-) ]
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18:55 < mistik1> greetings
18:58 < david> hello
19:12 < mistik1> hi david 
20:59 < mistik1> does anyone else come across the problem of compiling UML with profiling turned on?
20:59 < mistik1> I've been trying to build this thing all day just to have it fail multiple ways
20:59 < mistik1> different versions of gcc from 2.95-3.2
21:00 < mistik1> Is there a mailing list somewhere for this project?
21:01 < BB> yeah
21:01 < mistik1> where?
21:01 < BB> http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net
21:01 < mistik1> I see no links on the website
21:01 < BB> towards the bottom of that page
21:02 < BB> other that that try some of the url's in the topic
21:06 < mistik1> thanks
21:07 < mistik1> I give up on 2.4.20
21:07 < BB> on the host?
21:07 < mistik1> the binary works great but I needed netfilter support in it
21:07 < mistik1> the um binary kernel
21:08 < mistik1> I'm trying to build my own UM kernel
21:08 < BB> what problems are you having ?
21:08 < caker> mistik1: check out:
21:08 < caker> http://kernels.usermodelinux.org/kernels/linux-2.4.21-rc3-djc1-5um/
21:09 < mistik1> Warning: size of symbol `strpbrk' changed from 179 to 102 in vmlinux.o
21:09 < mistik1> that kind of stuff is kicking my butt
21:09 < mistik1> caker: will do thanks
21:11 < mistik1> caker: which of these do I grab there
21:13 < mistik1> ahh, I see a 4m kernel in nomads with a dot.config
21:13 < mistik1> I assume this is how this kernel was configured
21:13 < mistik1> looks exactly like what I need, thanks
21:16 < mistik1> darnit, not hostfs in it
21:17 < david> evening
21:17 < BB> eve david 
21:17 < david> BB: how are you?
21:18 < BB> david in a pickle with sybase, other than that fine ;), you?
21:18 < david> BB: hehe, sounds like fun
21:18 < david> I'm good - Working on wiring house atm
21:18 < david> nearly finished upstairs
21:18 < BB> elec or network wise?
21:19 < david> some elec
21:19 < david> mostly cable tv, ethernet, pone
21:19 < david> phone
21:19 < mistik1> cool stuff
21:19 < mistik1> I wired mine a couple years ago
21:19 < BB> david sounds fun :)
21:20 < mistik1> turned out i'm a pretty good electrician, heh
21:20 < david> BB: it's hard work in an attic - Damn warm
21:20 < david> mistik1: ah, cool :-)
21:21 < david> so far I've got 14 ethernet and 17 coax outlets upstairs
21:21 < david> working on downstairs tomorrow
21:21 < mistik1> what I would like to do is wire my generator into the house as a backup
21:21 < BB> david heh, i hate the attic type places, i remember balancing myself whilst drilling a 12" deep hole .. not my idea of fun 
21:23 < david> mistik1: just put a big 200A plug on the side of the house :-)
21:24 < david> mistik1: problem is that before the circuit breaker, it's usually owned by the utility company, so you can't poke at their cables
21:24 < david> guess you could run in another AC line from the generator
21:24 < BB> you could put in a new fuse box and put it inbetween old/new
21:24 < mistik1> Home depot has a nice little system for doing it
21:24 < mistik1> It will require me to rewire the entire panel those
21:25 < mistik1> actually replace it 
21:25 < david> mistik1: indeed
21:25 < david> mistik1: home depot sucks
21:25 < david> mistik1: I've been there 8 times in the last 7 days
21:25 < david> I went to a different one today
21:25 < david> COMPLETLY different to the one I'm used to
21:25 < mistik1> tell me about it
21:25 < david> couldn't find a damn thing
21:26 < mistik1> I hate hd
21:26 < BB> i guess "home depot" must be an american thing :P
21:26 < david> BB: it's the same as B&Q
21:26 < mistik1> you waste far too much time by shopping there
21:26 < david> BB: big place full of house stuff that you can never find
21:26 < mistik1> HUGE home store
21:26 < BB> david usefull that ;)
21:26 < david> mistik1: Home depot is ~5mins from here - Takes me at least an hour to get there and back
21:26 < david> too much crap in there
21:26 < mistik1> HD kills all the mom and pop stores and then dont carry all you need
21:27 < david> they've had everything I need
21:27 < mistik1> I was so pissed with them when I was doing my house
21:27 < david> apart from a couple of networking things I got on-line
21:27 < mistik1> they had all sorts of boxes ie: 4 and 5 gang boxes and they have no bloody 4 or 5 gang covers
21:28 < mistik1> I was like wth is this
21:28 < david> heheh
21:28 < mistik1> one thing they have real cheap is cat5 cable
21:28 < david> mistik1: no, they don't
21:28 < mistik1> the connectors are way too pricey though
21:28 < david> last time I checked it was $59 for 1000'
21:29 < david> I can get it on-line for ~$33 for 1000'
21:29 < mistik1> they were when I was doing mine
21:29 < david> mistik1: anything smaller than 1"x1"x1" is overpriced :-)
21:29 < mistik1> well they found out there was a large demand so like everything else they upped the price
21:29 < mistik1> very true
21:30 < david> mistik1: cheaper than RadioShack though
21:30 < mistik1> hell yea
21:30 < mistik1> I dont even buy solder at the shack anymore
21:30 < mistik1> maybe a iron tip or two
21:30 < mistik1> or an odd capacitor
21:31 < david> mistik1: I used to go to radio shack quite frequently when it was closed, I moved, now I never go
21:31 < david> half the time I went to radioshack I had to go to home depot to get the thing anyway
21:31 < david> since radioshack didn't stock it
21:31 < ElectricElf> "when it was closed"? :)
21:31 < mistik1> what part of the world are you
21:31 < mistik1> heh
21:32 < david> ElectricElf: close
21:32 < david> mistik1: Cleveland, OH
21:32 < ElectricElf> Ah, right.
21:32 < mistik1> david: Newark, NJ here
21:32 < ElectricElf> That makes better sense than the thought of somebody sneaking around in black tights and a mask in the middle of the night.
21:32 < david> mistik1: ah, near the airport?
21:32 < mistik1> pretty close yea
21:32 < david> ElectricElf: with radioshack prices, their the thieves ;-)
21:33 < mistik1> far enough so I dont have to sell my house for the planes :)
21:33 < ElectricElf> david: You know where something like 85% of their revenue comes from?
21:33  * ElectricElf shall assume a "no, where?"
21:33 < ElectricElf> Batteries.
21:33 < david> ElectricElf: selling piddily crap with a 500% mark up
21:33 < ElectricElf> Friggin batteries.
21:33 < david> ElectricElf: hahah
21:33 < mistik1> lol
21:33 < mistik1> so what about those one's they give away
21:33 < david> mistik1: the airport here is expanding, but we're about 20miles away from it
21:34 < ElectricElf> That percentage has probably increased, what with the number of custom batteries enclosures these days.
21:34 < ElectricElf> mistik1: They are a *huge* battery producer/.
21:34 < ElectricElf> mistik1: If they're giving any away, they're probably not fit to sell.
21:34 < david> mistik1: they give away ones which don't fit anything ;-)
21:34 < david> mistik1: then you have to go back and buy the proper ones
21:35 < ElectricElf> (not dangerously unfit, no doubt, but probably contaminated and not very effective)
21:48 < mistik1> so what applications are you guys using UML for?
21:49 < david> mistik1: hosting, jailing, testing stuff
21:49 < david> mistik1: I run usermodelinux.org, FYI
21:49 < david> which runs on UML
21:49 < mistik1> cool
21:49 < mistik1> I was checking out that site last night
21:49 < mistik1> you need a logo man
21:49 < mistik1> :-)
21:49 < david> I know
21:50 < david> I made one a while ago, but I can't find it
21:51 < mistik1> I soppose you can get this thing to build no probs on your boxes?
21:52 < mistik1> It appears to me that most the guys dealing with UML runs debian
21:52 < mistik1> I may just load up a debian box and see if that matters, cause this has ruined my weekend
21:53 < david> mistik1: works just fine
21:54 < mistik1> *sigh*
21:54 < mistik1> what are you running?
22:09 < david> there you go
22:09 < david> mistik1: on UML?
22:10 < mistik1> david: what host OS are you doing your builds on
22:12 < david> mistik1: Debian testing
22:12 < mistik1> figgures ;P
22:13  * BB uses redhat7.3 or gentoo
22:13 < mistik1> It refuses to build on rh7.3 for me
22:14 < caker> mistik1: but you have extra patches, correct?
22:14 < mistik1> I tracked my error to and old post from Jeff on the list about profiling
22:14 < mistik1> caker: I dont get ya
22:14 < mistik1> explain extra
22:15 < caker> more than just vanilla 2.4.20 and host-skas3 patch
22:15 < caker> (plus/minus ptrace fixes)
22:15 < caker> ?
22:16 < mistik1> I d/l a kernel.org 2.4.20 patched it with uml patch I was not aware from the compile.html that I needed more
22:16 < david> mistik1: so disable profiling :-)
22:16 < david> mistik1: or you could just grap a precompiled kernel
22:16 < mistik1> guys, I'm no programmer so I dont know how to do such a thing
22:17 < mistik1> I have the precompiled kernel working and am running two UMLs now
22:17 < mistik1> the precompiled kernel does not have netfilter enabled, the one caker pointed me to does not have hostfs turned on
22:18 < mistik1> I need the netfilter stuff for what I need to run in UML
22:20 < david> mistik1: I never enable hostfs
22:20 < david> mistik1: did you do 'make menuconfig'?
22:20 < david> to actually configure the kernel before building it?
22:20 < mistik1> yes
22:20 < mistik1> of course
22:20 < david> so why can't you disable profiling?
22:20 < david> if that is causing the problem
22:20 < BB> and used ARCH=um ?
22:20 < mistik1> yup
22:21 < mistik1> david: If I knew i'd be more than happy to
22:21 < BB> do you have your .config anywhere?
22:21 < david> mistik1: er, I'm not following
22:21 < david> mistik1: what exactly is the problem
22:21 < mistik1> How do I disable profiling?
22:21 < david> mistik1: I assume you started with a fresh kernel tree somewhere, rather than patching the host kernel source?
22:22 < david> mistik1: it's under Kernel Debugging in menuconfig
22:22 < mistik1> david: yes, clean tree
22:22 < mistik1> ok
22:22 < mistik1> gprof
22:22 < mistik1> ahhhhhhh
22:22 < david> nod
22:22 < mistik1> duh!
22:22 < david> turn off all that crap
22:22 < david> you won't need it unless you break something ;-)
23:09 < mistik1> thanks for your info david, when I got my little project done i'll see if I cant make a UM session boot from bootp
23:09 < mistik1> wohoooo
23:09 < mistik1> successfull build of 2.4.20
23:23 < david> mistik1: should be doable - You'll want to use tuntap with a static MAC
23:24 < mistik1> so i've read
23:25 < mistik1> It should be fun
23:25 < mistik1> I do some work with/ltsp so this would be a great way short of vmware to test with
23:33 < david> I played with ltsp a while back
23:35 < caker> is anyone interested in beta-testing, or at least checking out the product I've been developing for months?
23:36 < david> caker: what is it? :-)
23:36 < BB> does it involve sending food electronicaly?
23:36 < caker> i wish
23:36 < mistik1> heh
23:36 < caker> It's a UML hosting provider, but it allows you to install multiple distros, etc..
23:37 < mistik1> caker: URL
23:37  * mistik1 can do the jig now
23:37 < david> caker: kinda like UMLd, or not?
23:37 < caker> join #linode if you're interested
23:37 < mistik1> I got a shiney new 4.9mb 2.4.20-um5 kernel with everything I need
23:52 < mistik1> caker: mind if I have jim(LTSP dev) take a look
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