--- Day changed --- Log opened Fri Jun 20 00:00:02 2003 00:25 * alt is away: bed 00:25 < Lathiat> Hrm 00:34 < caker> hello all 00:35 < Lathiat> lo' 00:35 < caker> what's shakin 00:35 < Lathiat> not much 03:00 -!- pflanze [~chris@217.162.113.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 488 seconds] 03:16 -!- pflanze [~chris@dclient217-162-113-252.hispeed.ch] has joined #uml 03:33 -!- pflanze [~chris@dclient217-162-113-252.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 496 seconds] 04:08 < BB> morn 04:33 < Lathiat> Bing. 04:50 -!- phsilva [~phsilva@200.173.164.148] has joined #uml 04:56 -!- phsilva [~phsilva@200.173.164.148] has left #uml [Client exiting] 05:02 -!- pflanze [~chris@cc-linux4.ethz.ch] has joined #uml 05:24 -!- Lathiat [lathiat@seven.sixlabs.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:31 -!- Lathiat [~Lathiat@thump.bur.st] has joined #uml 06:24 -!- caker [~null@pcp507591pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 496 seconds] 06:41 -!- Lathiat [~Lathiat@thump.bur.st] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:50 -!- Lathiat [~Lathiat@thump.bur.st] has joined #uml 07:07 -!- yeti [~yeti@p3EE22932.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #uml 07:11 < Lathiat> /quit swapping shell servers 07:11 -!- Lathiat [~Lathiat@thump.bur.st] has quit [Quit: swapping shell servers] 07:11 -!- Lathiat [lathiat@seven.sixlabs.org] has joined #uml 07:48 < ido> hey 07:49 -!- litost [~mondain@phynp6.phy-astr.gsu.edu] has joined #uml 07:51 < Lathiat> grr 07:51 < Lathiat> upgraded my machine, losing packets every minute ro tow it sdrops few for a second or so 07:53 < ido> eh 08:07 -!- Lathiat [lathiat@seven.sixlabs.org] has quit [Quit: reboot] 08:14 -!- Lathiat [lathiat@seven.sixlabs.org] has joined #uml 08:16 -!- caker [~null@pcp507591pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net] has joined #uml 08:28 -!- ASY- [~someone@66.36.133.68] has joined #uml 08:28 -!- ASY [~someone@66.36.133.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:28 -!- ASY- is now known as ASY 09:11 < ido> damnit 09:11 < ido> i need someone to guide me while compiling a UML patched kernel 09:11 < ido> i've tried about a dozen of times and it doesnt seem to work 09:11 < Lathiat> whats the problem 09:11 < Lathiat> specificially 09:12 < ido> welp, as we speak i've went to the gentoo box 09:12 < ido> emerge'd sys-kernel/usermode-sources 09:12 < ido> make menuconfig ARCH=um 09:12 < ido> and the make linux ARCH=um 09:13 < Lathiat> u forgot 09:13 < Lathiat> make dep 09:13 < ido> hrmf 09:13 < ido> lemme try that again 09:13 < Lathiat> err 2.4 or 2.5? 09:14 < ido> 2.4 09:14 < Lathiat> ok 09:14 < Lathiat> make dep :P 09:14 < ido> lemme try that 09:14 < ido> should i make mrproper and start allover ? 09:14 < ido> or just make dep from where i am, and make linux ARCH=um right after it ? 09:20 < ido> hrmf 09:20 < ido> nope, haven't worked 09:20 < ido> same error 09:21 < Lathiat> make dep ARCH=um btw 09:21 < ido> ofcourse 09:22 < ido> collect2: ld returned 1 exit error status 09:29 < ido> btw, should i make dep, or make dep ARCH=um ? 09:29 < Lathiat> ARCH=um 09:29 < ido> ok 09:29 < ido> working on it 09:40 < ido> hrmf 09:40 < ido> i've got only 10 mb's free 09:40 < ido> wonder if thats the reason its not worked 09:40 < ido> s/working 09:41 < Lathiat> oh :P 09:41 < ido> think it might be causing this ? 09:45 < Lathiat> yes 09:45 < Lathiat> it wil 09:59 -!- etbe [~rjc@c16702.sunsh1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #uml 10:00 < etbe> Has anyone got it working on 2.5.72? 10:30 -!- etbe [~rjc@c16702.sunsh1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 496 seconds] 10:37 -!- radical [~kernet@210.7.75.194] has joined #uml 10:39 < yeti> shak? 10:55 < ido> /mnt/uml/linux-2.4.20-r1/include/linux/fs.h: In function `get_lease': 10:55 < ido> /mnt/uml/linux-2.4.20-r1/include/linux/fs.h:1064: internal error: Segmentation fault 10:55 < ido> Please submit a full bug report, 10:55 < ido> with preprocessed source if appropriate. 10:55 < ido> See for instructions. 10:55 < ido> make[2]: *** [filesystems.o] Error 1 10:55 < ido> wtf 10:55 < yeti> use a stable linux and a stable gcc :-/ 10:57 < yeti> i stopped using gentoo because it is nailed together too fast 10:57 < ido> its a 2.4.20 10:57 < yeti> that will be a gcc-3.something problem 10:57 < ido> being compiled on a 2.4.20 gentoo release 10:57 < ido> baah 10:58 < yeti> gentoo adopts unstable things too fast 10:58 < ido> hrmf 10:58 < ido> uml is considered not that stable, isn't it ? 10:58 < yeti> gentoo and gcc3 are the unstable parts :-) 10:59 < ido> eh 10:59 < ido> gonna try another configuration 10:59 < ido> anyhow, how else would you recommend compiling a kernel for gentoo ? 11:00 < yeti> check how cou can install gcc2 in parallel 11:00 < ido> hmmpf 11:00 < ido> more complications ;p 11:00 < yeti> or compile the kernel statically on some other box 11:00 < ido> this is the seocnd day i'm trying to compile a UML from scratch 11:00 < yeti> static to avoid shared libs missing 11:00 < ido> cant get it to work 11:01 < yeti> sometimes it even fails on debian 11:01 < ido> tried all kinds of patches/kernel versions 11:01 < ido> i run slackware on the other box 11:01 < yeti> atm some scsi stuff fails if i enable it 11:01 < yeti> but my umls dont need any scsi stuff, so i'm happy 11:01 < ido> ah 11:01 < ido> ;p 11:02 < ido> fail while compiling the kernel, or while running it/ 11:02 < ido> ? 11:02 < yeti> while compiling 11:02 < yeti> missing symbols 11:02 < ido> hrmpf 11:02 < yeti> but no segfaults 11:02 < ido> i'll try to remove those next time i compile it 11:02 < ido> (which should prolly be in a few mins) 11:02 < yeti> thats a different severity of a bug, prolly in the compiler 11:02 < ido> dumb AMD XP1700 cpu seems to be too slow nowadays 11:03 < yeti> bullshit 11:03 < yeti> i have 4 umls running in a k6-2@500 with 512M ram 11:03 < ido> althuogh i remembe the 386-pentium days, which took over 6 hours to compile a kernel 11:03 < ido> sweet. 11:03 < yeti> gentoo is too resource-hungry 11:03 < ido> i said compiling, not runnng ;p 11:04 < yeti> gentoo is a pain on systems that are fast enough for e.g. debian 11:04 < yeti> i know what i say i WAS a core develope @gentoo 11:04 < ido> eh. 11:05 < ido> welp. truth is i first installed gentoo only a few days ago. 11:05 < yeti> it is a nice and interesting toy 11:05 < yeti> not more 11:05 < ido> seems interesting so far, nothing more then that 11:05 < ido> i still prefer slackware 11:05 < ido> welp, truth is, it installs rather fast 11:05 < yeti> stage3? 11:06 < ido> quite simple to maintain 11:06 < ido> any of the stages.. 11:06 < yeti> but the developers often enough blow up essential functionality. and then on the next emerge -u world you have a shot system 11:07 < ido> thats true.. 11:07 < yeti> happened too much for me 11:07 < ido> its too bloaty 11:07 < ido> but thats the cost for comptability 11:07 < yeti> i could live with bloat... but i need stability 11:07 < yeti> and that is what i dont get from gentoo 11:07 < ido> vs less-customized == easier/simpler to maintain 11:08 < ido> so you prefer debian ? 11:08 < ido> because of the apt-get mechanism ? 11:08 < yeti> ;-) 11:08 < ido> isn't emerge better ? 11:08 < yeti> not really 11:08 < ido> haven't used apt-get to often so i couldn't tell 11:08 < ido> i live in the .tgz days with slackware 11:09 < yeti> when i want to "tune" a debian package i say "apt-get souce packagename" 11:09 < yeti> and i have all i need in one dir 11:09 < ido> its quite hard to maintain, and even hardware to uninstall 11:09 < ido> but 'sides that, you have pretty much control on everything 11:09 < yeti> debian is the best compromise between control and help i got so far 11:09 < ido> although you need more knowledge on the system integrity. 11:10 < ido> i've had a woody debian a year ago, it sucked ;p 11:10 < ido> hey 11:10 < ido> fuck sakes 11:10 < yeti> i am nearly 10 years on debian 11:10 < ido> OMG 11:10 < ido> i just compiled the first UML 11:10 < ido> eh. this sucks ; 11:10 < ido> ;p 11:11 < ido> wtf, the bitch takes 35megs 11:11 < yeti> i looked intto other dists too... and was a developer @gentoo... but debian remains my favourite up to now 11:11 < ido> no wonder it took too long. 11:11 < ido> its a generic .config o' something. now i'm gonna edit the .config file. 11:11 < ido> next disto i'm gonna checkout would prolly be debian 11:11 < yeti> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2430676 15. Jun 17:50 /usr/bin/linux 11:12 < ido> anyhow, debian seems like a good WS, while as a server, or at least a pro. server, i think there are better options. 11:12 < ido> gentoo seems good for 'linux-freaks' ;p 11:12 < yeti> i think debian is a better server 11:12 < yeti> i even might consider using gentoo for the workstations... 11:13 < yeti> :-) 11:13 < ido> tighter kernel ? 11:13 < ido> less need for stability ? 11:13 < yeti> or redhat, or suse, or something like knoppix 11:13 < yeti> servers shall run as long as possible 11:13 < yeti> workstations may be rebooted sometimes 11:14 < yeti> workstatio == no public services to the rest of the net (in my eyes) 11:14 < ido> servers me bay rooted sometimes :p 11:14 < ido> s/may be 11:14 < yeti> debian's updates and even version upgrades are unbeaten 11:15 < yeti> i remember to have updated a server and a dskless workstation living on him from 2.0 to 2.1 in parallel 11:15 < yeti> when the server needed to update the nfs-server packages, the workstation got a freeze... but continued without problem later 11:15 < ido> :) 11:16 < yeti> debian has the longest experiences with updates and upgrades 11:16 < yeti> and the least with workstation and dummy-user-installers 11:16 < yeti> :-) 11:16 < ido> do i have to make mrproper or something to makeconfig right after having a kernel finished compiling ? 11:17 < yeti> no 11:18 < yeti> the dog calls for some attention... i need to go away a while... 11:19 < ido> how come my kernel becomes to large ? 11:19 < yeti> too much features enabled 11:19 < ido> hrmf, not quite 11:19 < yeti> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2.3M 15. Jun 17:50 /usr/bin/linux 11:20 < yeti> 2.4.20-6um 11:21 < ido> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 36185441 Jun 20 11:14 linux 11:21 < ido> Linux version 2.4.20-1um 11:21 < yeti> try strip 11:22 < ido> hmm 11:22 < ido> k 11:23 < ido> ok, now its also 2.3mb 11:24 < yeti> :-) 11:24 < yeti> then i can shutdown my gentoo-uml again 11:24 < yeti> ;-) 11:25 < ido> eh 11:26 < ido> could i make a simlink called /dev/hda1 for /dev/ubd/disc0/disc ? 11:26 < yeti> where? host? in uml? 11:26 < yeti> why? 11:26 < ido> UML ofcourse ;p 11:26 < ido> host does use a real /dev/hda1 11:27 < ido> so it could virtually seem to be an independant box, and not a UML 11:27 < yeti> look for fakehd and fake-ide in uml's doc or on the website 11:27 < ido> ah, k 11:27 < ido> thanks 11:27 < ido> thats the next thing i'm going to do 11:27 < ido> after i get the kernel to work well. 11:27 < ido> anyhow 11:27 < yeti> you can make the ubdX devices looklike hdX inside uml 11:27 < ido> the idea is to keep my slackware box which is being used as a router 11:28 < ido> run over it a UML inside a DMZ with a webserver and DNS 11:29 < yeti> i built a minimalized "carrier system" to host some umls 11:29 < ido> both would run over the same ip, so i'd have to forward a few ports to the UML 11:29 < ido> eh. uml over uml ? or dedicated box ? 11:29 < yeti> dedicated 11:29 < ido> eh. 11:30 < yeti> uml on uml would be possible too 11:30 < ido> lemme first work this out ;p 11:30 < yeti> :-) 11:30 < yeti> sure 11:30 < ido> box seems stuck 11:31 < ido> seems that a ctrl-c fixed it ;p 11:31 < ido> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console 11:31 < ido> eh 11:31 < ido> dumbass kernel 11:32 < yeti> con0=fd:0,fd:1 11:32 < ido> i know 11:33 < ido> if a UML gets stuck 11:33 < ido> is the only way exiting it a restart ? 11:33 < yeti> mconsole? 11:33 < yeti> kill? 11:33 < ido> i mean to the UML itself ;p 11:34 < yeti> you can send ctl-alt-del to it or halt it like poweroff using uml_mconsole 11:34 < yeti> or xou can kill it from the host 11:35 < ido> k 11:35 < ido> fsck 1.33 (21-Apr-2003) 11:35 < ido> /dev/ubd/disc0/disc was not cleanly unmounted, check forced. 11:35 < ido> /dev/ubd/disc0/disc: 121980/262656 files (0.6% non-contiguous), 369585/524288 blocks 11:35 < ido> eh 11:35 < ido> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console 11:35 < ido> con0=fd:0,fd:1 hasn't fixed it 11:36 < yeti> devfs=mount ? 11:36 < yeti> some linuxes want nomount 11:36 < ido> i think gentoo wants nomount 11:36 < yeti> and most inittabs dont contain a line for tty0 11:36 < ido> thing is, the other kernel worked without the devfs function 11:36 < ido> and as much as i remember, this was compiled without auto-devfs 11:37 < ido> lemme try it anyway 11:37 < yeti> devfs=(no)mount i never rely on the kernel setting i say mount or nomount 11:38 < ido> eh, k 11:38 < ido> kill -9 `ps ux | grep linux| awk '{print $2}'` 11:38 < ido> eh 11:39 < ido> gotta make a perm script outta this 11:39 < yeti> i have an uml script 11:39 < ido> written it about dozen times these past few hours 11:39 < ido> nope, the devfs didn't fix it 11:39 < yeti> just say "uml boot" now 11:39 < yeti> or uml halt 11:40 < ido> something wrong with the uml options 11:40 < yeti> it controls exactly one uml, the userid it runs as 11:40 -!- radical [~kernet@210.7.75.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 488 seconds] 11:40 < ido> :) 11:43 -!- shak [shak@shell0.uh-hosting.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 490 seconds] 11:57 -!- radical [~kernet@210.7.75.194] has joined #uml 11:59 -!- shak [~shak@shell0.uh-hosting.co.uk] has joined #uml 12:28 -!- radical [~kernet@210.7.75.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 490 seconds] 13:24 -!- yeti [~yeti@p3EE22932.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #uml [carbon based life form in front of me has an overheat error] 14:23 < caker> anyone ever use CIPE in uml? 14:30 < silug> i can't get cipe to work on a real box 14:30 < silug> i figured i shouldn't bother trying to get it working under uml yet. :) 14:31 < caker> looks like it's only a module, too 14:39 < ido> still getting an 'Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console' message while booting a uml kernel 14:39 < caker> are you using devfs? 14:40 < ido> doesn't work with same filesystem but other image (both 2.4.20), could anyone help figuring this out ? 14:50 < ido> yeah, using devfs 15:04 -!- shak [~shak@shell0.uh-hosting.co.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:38 -!- shak [shak@shell0.uh-hosting.co.uk] has joined #uml 15:50 -!- ido [~Ido@bzq-218-140-160.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 496 seconds] 16:09 -!- ido [~Ido@bzq-218-140-160.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #uml 16:09 < ido> hrmf 16:09 < ido> damnit 16:09 < shak> mm, handpatched :p 16:09 < ido> still getting the 'Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console' error while booting gentoo within the UML kernel 16:11 < ido> has to be something with the .config's options since with another config it seemed to work ok 16:11 < ido> just not sure which one 16:14 < david> what is con0 pointing to? 16:15 < ido> sec 16:15 < ido> i'll boot it with another kernel 16:15 < ido> hrmf, wait, it shouldn matter since it boots well with another kernel 16:18 < ido> hrmf, i'm in with another kernel 16:34 * alt is back (gone 16:09:52) 17:07 -!- litost [~mondain@phynp6.phy-astr.gsu.edu] has quit [Quit: Run Away!! 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