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--- Log opened Sat Jun 21 00:00:02 2003
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11:09 < Lathiat> bing/
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11:22 < alt> bling bling from the red king!
11:22 < alt> oops :)
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12:48 < caker> morning
12:50 < alt> greetz
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14:53 < ido> hrmmf
14:53 < ido> anyone here ?
14:54 < david> yes
14:54 < Lathiat> nah we're all dead, dead i tell you, dead!
14:55 < ido> :)
14:55 < ido> any uml/gentoo users ?
14:55 < david> nope
14:56 < ido> i need a sample .config
14:56 < ido> that works with gentoo.
14:56 < Lathiat> any .config should work with gentoo
14:56 < Lathiat> as long as that .config works :P
14:57 < ido> seems that mine has an option that makes me a "Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console" error when loading 
14:57 < Lathiat> try con0=fd:0,1
14:57 < ido> where would i get the latest 2.4.21 UML patches?
14:57 < ido> tried that, hasn't worked..
14:59 < Lathiat> 2.4.21 patches probably dont exis t:)
14:59 < ido> hmm.
15:00 < david> ido: kernels.usermodelinux.org/patches/
15:00 < david> Lathiat: yes, they do:-)
15:01 < ido> is http://kernels.usermodelinux.org/patches/uml-patch-2.4.21.bz2 stable ?
15:02 < Lathiat> o_O, must get that :P
15:03 < david> ido: no idea
15:03 < david> ido: it's no less stable than 2.4.20-um6
15:03 < ido> hmm, k
15:03 < david> ido: UML is still in development - It's not considered 'stable'
15:04 < ido> cat uml-patch-2.4.21.bz2 | bunzip2 - | patch -p1, right ?
15:04 < desaster> bzcat is your friend
15:04 < desaster> but right.
15:04 < ido> i meant as stable as 2.4.20-um6 ..
15:05 < ido> is there any premade .config i should use as a basic one, or should i make my own ?
15:07 < Lathiat> the basic config it gives you isnt too bad
15:07 < david> ido: there is a default one if you do 'make oldconfig ARCH=um'
15:07 < ido> hmm.
15:07 < ido> k ;
15:07 < ido> one more question, prefebly, should i make modules or make the options build in the kernel itself ?
15:08 < david> ido: up to you
15:08 < david> I compile it all in, since it's easier to upgrade UMLs
15:08 < david> otherwise you have to copy the modules between each UML when you upgrade the kernel
15:08 < ido> wont it take more memory while running the UML  ?
15:09 < david> ido: not particularly
15:09 < ido> pcap transport, should i enable it ?
15:09 < david> probably not
15:13 < ido> mv vmlinux vmlinux.o
15:13 < ido> gcc -Wl,-T,arch/um/link.ld -static -Wl,--wrap,malloc -Wl,--wrap,free -Wl,--wrap,calloc \
15:13 < ido>         -o linux arch/um/main.o vmlinux.o -L/usr/lib -lutil
15:13 < ido> /usr/lib/libc.a: could not read symbols: Malformed archive
15:13 < ido> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
15:13 < ido> make: *** [linux] Error 1
15:14 < david> nice
15:14 < ido> how nice ? :\
15:15 < david> never seen that one before
15:15 < david> is your glibc installation screwed up?
15:15 < ido> not supposed to be
15:15 < ido> havne't ever touched it
15:15 < david> strange
15:16 < ido> i don't get any errors while making a non UML kernel.
15:16 < Lathiat> make clean and try again
15:16 < david> right, but that isn't linked against glibc, is it?
15:17 < ido> no
15:17 < ido> wait, what is ?
15:19 < david> what is what?
15:19 < ido> whats not linked against glibc
15:20 < david> the regular kernel
15:27 < ido> dunno
15:27 < ido> guess not
15:34 < ido> hrmmf
15:34 < ido> lemme try another kernel/patch..
16:00  * BB1 stabs clara with voodoo pins
16:01 < green> hehe
16:01 < BB1> i think they gorgot totaly to add our modified config to the backup router :(
16:01 < BB1> forgot even
16:02 < Lathiat> sleep.
16:02 < green> did they even knew they should do it? ;)
16:02 < BB1> green well that changed the primary, so i expected them to do the backup ... *doh* heh
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18:16 < ido> whats : Warning: This program is an suid-root program or is being run by the root user.
18:16 < ido> The full text of the error or warning message cannot be safely formatted
18:16 < ido> in this environment. You may get a more descriptive message by running the
18:16 < ido> program as a non-root user or by removing the suid bit on the executable.
18:16 < ido> xterm Xt error: Can't open display: %s
18:16 < ido> ?
18:17 < Pahan> Shitty C software complaning about possible format string exploits.
18:17 < Pahan> s/possible/potential/
18:18 < ido> hmm.
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18:34 < yeti> did anyone try to compile 2.4.20-6um statically (skas only mode)
18:34 < yeti> ?
18:35 < yeti> here it fails... complaining about some struct having no member "tt"
18:36 < Pahan> "skas only mode"?
18:36 < Pahan> What would be the use of that?
18:36 < yeti> uml has two modes: tt and skas...
18:37 < yeti> skas is faster and should allow statik linkung of the linux binary
18:37 < yeti> tt allows smp, skas doesnt
18:37 < Pahan> Doesn't mean you need to disable tt mode during configuration phase, if that even possible.
18:37 < yeti> yes
18:38 < yeti> thought i did it...  you only get the option to link statically when tt mode is disabled
18:38 < Pahan> Oh.
18:38 < Pahan> Weird.
18:39 < yeti> yep.. checked the config again...
18:39 < yeti> tt is disabled
18:39 < yeti> grrr...
18:40 < yeti> i can better draw a line between the host's sysad and the owner of an uml if i only allow statically linked umlkernels...
18:40 < yeti> (i am the owner of all my systems, it's theory for now)
18:41 < yeti> if ( uml kerne is dynamically linked ) { admin of host has more work }
18:41 < yeti> i'll retry with 2.5.69-1um
18:42  * yeti switches back to the vt...
18:42 < Pahan> I don't think UML needs all that many libraries.
18:43 < yeti> but if it is statically linked, the uml owner can compile the kernel on whaterver system he owns with whatever libs and gcc there is...
18:43 < Pahan> GCC version probably doesn't matter -- it is not C++.
18:44 < Pahan> It appears that linux(1) executable supplied by Debian is statically linked, yet it supports both skas and tt mode.
18:44 < yeti> i cant even compile tat debian package
18:44 < yeti> i am on debian
18:44 < yeti> woody...
18:45 < Pahan> Eh? Why would you need to compile it?
18:45 < yeti> i need different kernelconfigs
18:45 < Pahan> Something specific?
18:45 < yeti> and i dont use sarge or sid packages on woody without compiling them myself
18:45 < Pahan> Oh.
18:46 < Pahan> Right, woody is the symlink to "outdated".
18:46 < yeti> i dont import binaries of other debian versions
18:46 < Pahan> (sid links to "broken")
18:46 < yeti> i have all 4 debians here
18:46 < yeti> sid :== still in development
18:46 < yeti> sid :== sid is dangerous
18:46 < yeti> ;-)
18:46 < Pahan> Hah.
18:47 < yeti> i need that statically linked stuff... :-(
18:47 < yeti> that's the best way to allow my umls to compile their own kernel without asking the host system tooooo much
18:48 < yeti> ok, i'll retry with 2.5.69-1um
18:48 < yeti> maybe ther it works...
18:48 < Pahan> Ugh, experimental kernels.
18:48 < Pahan> Have fun :)
18:48 < yeti> i wannt test the idea... so i need a statically linked kernel
18:49 < yeti> and if i wanna make jails without too uch stuiff, i'll need statik linkage too
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21:20 < yeti> i surrender...  cant get a statically linked uml kernel compiled... neither on woody nor on sid...   gnite!
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22:24 < ido> welcome back BB1
22:24 < ido> care to help me with setting up networking under UML ?
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23:20 < ido> hrmf
23:20 < ido> anyone alive ?
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23:40 < ido> hmm
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