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06:51 < snide> hi
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10:16 < tito> hi all
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10:24 < lah_> hum
10:24 < lah_> anyone who got rh9 running as uml?
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10:39 < lah_> installation just hangs after formatting the fs
10:45 < green> works for me
10:45 < green> I guess you are hitting /usr/bin/probe problem?
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10:50 < lah_> green, hmm..
10:50 < lah_> shouldn't it probe even BEFORE asking for partitions, which rpms to install etc?
10:50 < green> no.
10:50 < green> not in RH9
10:50 < green> have you read http://linuxhacker.ru/uml already?
10:51 < lah_> yea
10:51 < lah_> but since I got that far I thought it wouldn't be necessary to patch probe
10:51 < lah_> (and there is "nopcmcia" according to RH9 docs)
10:52 < green> patch the probe and it will work ;)
10:53 < lah_> so I have to dl the whole rh9 stuff, sigh
10:54 < green> huh?
10:55 < green> why? you only need to patch this stage2.img thing
10:55 < green> you should have it already anyway
10:55 < green> or do you mean you are installing from remote ftp/nfs server that you have no control of?
10:56 < lah_> exactly
10:56 < lah_> that's why I tried doing it without patching probe ;)
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11:01 < sizban> has anyone been able to get the fakehd and fake_ide options to work correctly?
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11:17 < david>   # linux devfs=nomount ramdisk_size=10240 mem=64M ubd=root_fs fakehd \
11:17 < david>   > fake_ide ubd=3 root=/dev/hda0
11:17 < david> that is your command line?
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11:26 < sizban> yeah
11:26 < david> you want ubd0=rootfs
11:26 < david> root_fs
11:29 < Lathiat> david: thanks
11:29 < david> Lathiat: np
11:30 < Lathiat> david: those notifications are cute, should I have gotten 2 boot notificastions tho? (thinking you might have a double message bug,or it did actually boot twice)
11:30 < david> probably not
11:30 < david> Jun 25 04:01:51 [23937] Sent notify to trent@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au via SMTP :
11:30 < david> Jun 25 04:01:51 [23937] Sent notify to trent@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au via SMTP :
11:30 < Lathiat> 'be back in 5-10
11:31 < david> strange
11:48 < Lathiat> only for me?
11:48 < Lathiat> i have habbits of breaking things :P
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11:50 < david> Lathiat: no, I think it does it for everyone
11:51 < Lathiat> obvious code problem, or somethign obscure?
11:53 < david> probably obvious
11:53 < david> it foreach()s through an array, so I probably screwed the array up somewhere
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12:35 < sizban> david; i have that ubd=root_fs in there ...
12:36 < david> right
12:37 < david> that
12:37 < david> that's wrong
12:37 < Lathiat> night
12:37 < david> ubd0=root_fs is right
12:37 < Lathiat> sizban: ubd0
13:00 < sizban> thats what i have, right ? :)
13:00 < Lathiat> no
13:00 < Lathiat> u have ubd
13:00 < Lathiat> u need a 0
13:01 < sizban> linux devfs=nomount ramdisk_size=10240 mem=64M ubd0=../Debian-3.0r0.ext2 fakehd fake_ide ubd=3 root=/dev/hda
13:01 < sizban> tried `linux devfs=nomount ramdisk_size=10240 mem=64M ubd0=../Debian-3.0r0.ext2 fakehd fake_ide ubd=3 root=/dev/hda0` also
13:01 < sizban> kernel panic: unable to mount root fs is what i get
13:01 < Lathiat> try root=/dev/hda1
13:03 < sizban> same deal
13:03 < Lathiat> anbd when it boot sup
13:04 < Lathiat> whats the output fo rthe hard drive detection stuff
13:04 < sizban> aah!  hda = unknown partition table
13:04 < Lathiat> i think thats normal
13:04 < Lathiat> *think*
13:04 < Lathiat> do u need fakehd and fake_ide for any reason?
13:04 < Lathiat> ddebian runs fine without them
13:05 < david> sizban: I already told you - You don't need a partition table
13:05 < david> sizban: if you have a image containing a filesystem, it won't have a partition table - this is not a problem
13:05 < sizban> david; thats just my output from the boot sequence because lathiat asked :)
13:05 < sizban> w/o fakehd & fake_ide i get ubda: unknown partition table, also
13:06 < Lathiat> thats fine
13:06 < Lathiat> withotu thos etoo
13:06 < Lathiat> put root =/dev/ubd0
13:06 < Lathiat> or it migh tbe /dev/ubd/0 if you have devfs
13:06 < Lathiat> also, make sure the inside filesystem has ubd0 nodes if your not using devfs
13:07 < Lathiat> i found using devfs make slife easier with UML stuff, but hell outside of UM :P
13:07 < sizban> lathiat; i can get it to work w/o fakehd and fake_ide but the point of all this is that i want it to see the hard drives as normal ide drives so that the redhat install process will work w/in the uml :)
13:07 < sizban> http://linuxhacker.ru/uml/ <=-- install docs
13:08 < Lathiat> ahh
13:08 < Lathiat> well i only use debian, sorry :)
13:08 < Lathiat> and hence, never used fake{_ide,hdd}
13:08 < Lathiat> im going off to bed, laters.
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13:30 < lah_> anyone tried skas and grsecurity yet?
13:34 < sizban> im stuck w/ a bunch of debian peoples :)
13:36 < david> lah_: grsecurity stops ptrace, so it might not work right
13:38  * BB holds up a debian free flag and waves it ;)
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13:50 < green> sizban: so what's you current problem after you have "ubd0=right_stuff"?
13:52  * Pahan stabs sizban with david's flag, then gives out Debian netinst CDs.
13:53 < green> hehe
13:54 < caker> sizban: just remake the hd devices but with ubd's major/minor numbers
13:54 < yeti> apropos debian... someone has a hint how to manage ip address less interfaces with /etc/network/interfaces?
13:55 < caker> 0.0.0.0?
13:55 < yeti> try it ;-(
13:55 < yeti> i havent savedthe error message, but there is some error if the address is 0.0.0.0
13:56 < yeti> i think i might use a dummy addrss and trash it away in a "post"-definition ... but thats kinda strange
13:56 < Pahan> yeti: Do your interfaces have any addresses at all?
13:56 < Pahan> What is this "management" you speak of?
13:57 < caker> yeah just add some ifconfigs to your rc scripts :-)
13:57 < yeti> i wanna set up taps wihout address in that file and on ifup they shall join the bridge and on ifdon leave...
13:57 < Pahan> yeti: I am pretty sure that documentation in /usr/share/doc/bridge (or however that package is called) provides an acceptable setup.
13:58 < yeti> the bridge runs fine...
13:58 < yeti> but i want to manage each tap as an entity that joins or leaves the bridge with ifup/ifdown commands
13:59 < yeti> i think as intermediate hack i give that tap a random address and trash it away in post-liners... :-/
14:00 < Pahan> So anyway, try ifconfig.
14:01 < yeti> that's what i dont understand
14:01 < Pahan> Hmm?
14:01 < yeti> ifconfig allows an addrss of 0.0.0.0
14:02 < yeti> but defining the same tap in that file (interfaces) it doenst work...
14:02 < yeti> maybe because i am forced to specify a netmask too...
14:02 < Pahan> Why do you need to assign any address at all?
14:02 < yeti> yes
14:02 < Pahan> Just do "ifconfig <iface> up" and "ifconfig <iface> down"
14:03 < yeti> that's ok for ifconfig
14:03 < yeti> but i found no way to make that fit nto debian's strategy for /etc/network/interfaces
14:03 < Pahan> What strategy?
14:04 < Pahan> /etc/network/interfaces, ifup and ifdown are just fancy-ass wrappers for ifconfig and route.
14:04 < Pahan> It is your choice not to use them.
14:04 < yeti> yep
14:04 < yeti> and normally i like them
14:04 < Pahan> It seems that you do not even need that functionality.
14:04 < yeti> my experience is: manage a debian the debian way, and a suse way
14:04 < yeti> ...the syse wy
14:05 < yeti> sorry... too hot...
14:05 < yeti> costs conentration...
14:05 < yeti> i dont want some interfaces being defined in /etc/network/interfaces and some others elsewhere...
14:06 < yeti> thats why i try to get these definitions in there
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16:42 < Getty> hey
16:42 < Getty> i got a stupid idea...
16:42 < caker> bring it on
16:42 < Getty> is it possible to let pppoe running from an uml directly through the network card where the dsl modem is connected?
16:42 < Getty> the idea: an uml router inside a workstation
16:43 < Getty> its no stupid idea ;) i have a case for this, and for myself, it could be useful too but thats playing then ;)
16:44 < Getty> you understand what the problem is?
16:45 < BB> I ran a replacement for a hardware router in UML via VLAN on the host
16:46 < BB> dunno if pppoe would be any different
16:46 < Getty> BB: explain more
16:46 < Getty> BB: what you do exactly?
16:46 < Getty> BB: what does the "UML Router" does exactly?
16:46 < BB> well i had 2 subnets, one routed through an IP on the other, i configured a UML with the ip's etc to pretend to be the router whilst it was turned off
16:47 < Getty> oh..
16:47 < Getty> mmhh.. i not 100percent understand the case
16:47 < yeti> Getty: i am planning the same: route
16:47 < Getty> yeti: -v
16:48 < yeti> :-)
16:48 < yeti> i still need some parts...
16:48 < yeti> then i'll build a base linux with 2 bridges
16:48  * BB has been trying top get bgp4 doing what he wants for the past 5hrs so i doubt anything i say will make sense
16:48 < Getty> BB: ah! ;)
16:48 < Getty> yeti: sounds nice
16:48 < yeti> attach one uml to both bridges...
16:49 < Getty> yeti: i only need one bridge
16:49 < Getty> i only need perfect bridge to the eth1
16:49 < Getty> then i can bring on the rest with some cp commands
16:49 < yeti> when i dont bridge i need 2 ips fpr one uml
16:49 < yeti> so the umls are attached to bridge0, the las interface
16:50 < yeti> one uml will get a snd tap which will be bridged to the public interface
16:50 < yeti> snd->2nd
16:50 < Getty> hey hey, not so fast
16:50 < yeti> i want a host for multiple umls, where one is my firewalling router ;-)
16:50 < Getty> in my case, i need the "raw" network interface
16:50 < Getty> for pppoe
16:51 < yeti> raw == ethernet
16:51 < Getty> i don't how "raw" i need it
16:51 < yeti> thats ok for the bridge i think...
16:51 < Getty> yeah, is that in your plan?
16:51 < Getty> ok
16:51 < yeti> ppp-over-ethernet is the name 
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16:51 < Getty> when i have this, i have no problem else really..
16:51 < Getty> i make a firewall net between the uml router and the host
16:51 < Getty> and the host is the gateway for all other systems
16:51 < Getty> sounds cool to me
16:52 < revenger2> hey guys can anyone help me? http://karlsruhe.kicks-ass.net/uml.html ..  I have problems setting up eth0 inside uml
16:52 < revenger2> I use uml2.4.20
16:52 < yeti> Getty: when i have some success, i'll drop some lines in here
16:53 < yeti> revenger2: please more info...
16:53 < yeti> or is that url a logfile?
16:53 < Getty> yeti: i'm interessted in your targets about the bridge, i think anything around will be no problem for me
16:53 < Getty> yeti: i'm not that geek for networking deeper then ip :)
16:53 < yeti> it is not difficult...
16:54 < revenger2> yeti: what infos do you want? 
16:54 < yeti> i just compiled the bridge code into the kernel, installed the bridge-utils and read some readme...
16:54 < Getty> the standard bridge code in the kernel?
16:54 < Getty> into the UML kernel?
16:54 < yeti> revenger2: is that url a logfile?
16:55 < yeti> Getty: no... put the bridge code in the host's kernel
16:55 < revenger2> yeti: no .. I just copied and pasted how I tried to run that kernel and the output I get when I try to bring up eth0
16:56 < yeti> deutsch ist ok?
16:56 < revenger2> mhm
16:56 < yeti> standard error... the ethernet affress on the eth0=... argument is the mac address for the uml's interface
16:57 < yeti> the ip address given on that lione is the peer's address, so the tap's address on the hosts line
16:57 < revenger2> hab ich hab ich ..
16:57 < Getty> yeti: and then how the "bridge" runs between the host and the UML?
16:58 < yeti> the bridge jus passes all packets from th uml to the other attached bridge ports (if nneded)
16:58 < Getty> yeti: mh? i don't understand...
16:58 < yeti> no more routing from uml to real world, they are one hop nearer to reality
16:59 < yeti> revenger2: ok, net shot: where is uml_net, who can access it
16:59 < yeti> is it in the path?
16:59 < yeti> does the uml's uid have exec right?
17:00 < revenger2> yeti: root .. I copied debian's uml_net binary into the same directory
17:00 < Getty> revenger: debian?
17:00 < Getty> revenger: first uml tries?
17:00 < revenger2> yes
17:00 < revenger2> yeah
17:00 < Getty> revenger: ok... user is in the group uml-net ?
17:00 < yeti> i think it is not in the path
17:00 < Getty> revenger: if not, add it to it
17:00 < Getty> yeti: yeah yeah i know, i make this
17:00 < yeti> and it is only executable by users in group uml_net
17:00 < Getty> revenger: cp /usr/lib/uml/uml_net /usr/bin/
17:01 < yeti> i added the lib path only for members of group uml_net
17:01 < yeti> but play a bit with preconfigured taps...
17:01 < yeti> program tunctl...
17:01 < yeti> it is much nicer
17:01 < Getty> yeti: bnack to that bridge
17:02 < Getty> yeti: i totally not understand your sentence :)
17:02 < yeti> deutsch?
17:02 < Getty> hey
17:02 < yeti> anderr kanal?
17:02 < yeti> da können wir etwas flood-en
17:02 < Getty> #uml ircnet?
17:03 < Getty> ach da ist gerade splittime..
17:03 < Getty> #uml.de hier
17:03 < yeti> ok
17:05 < revenger2> alle deutsch heir?
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20:03 < pirlouit>  hum
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23:44 < jp7x7> Anyone in the mood to give me some advice?
23:46 < Pahan> Ask, don't ask to ask.
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