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00:37 < mpirun> ok..newbie question: i dont understand the tun/tap stuff well. does my host need another IP for the tap if i alteady have a LAN IP?
00:38 < caker> mpirun: set the tuntap's device's IP to the same as your eth0
00:38 < mpirun> okie..thanks.
00:38 < caker> mpirun: suggestion - use bridge
00:38 < mpirun> okie..thanks.
00:39 < mpirun> er..not seeing bridge in the docs
00:40 < mpirun> nm..think i found it
00:57 < mpirun> woot...i now have a br0..:)
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03:28 < wahlau> re
03:29 < wahlau> if my root_fs runs well, but i cannot add any other partition / FS, what is wrong may i know?
03:29 < wahlau> i have a root_fs from RH9
03:30 < Lathiat> come again?
03:31 < wahlau> usually we run as follows
03:31 < wahlau> linux ubd0=abc ubd1=efg
03:31 < wahlau> then in the console i can mount /dev/ubd1 as a mount point
03:31 < wahlau> right?
03:31 < wahlau> my UML refuse to recognize anything else than ubd0
03:32 < wahlau> the same uml kernel running suse has no such problem
03:33 < Lathiat> umm does /dev/ubd1 exist
03:33 < wahlau> yeap
03:33 < wahlau> i have ubd0-ubd8
03:34 < wahlau> /dev/ubd1: Invalid argument
03:34 < wahlau> FAT: bogus logical sector size 0
03:34 < wahlau> VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev 62:01.
03:34 < wahlau> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
03:34 < wahlau> if i put a -t for mount
03:34 < wahlau> i get ubd0 itself even if i define /dev/ubd*
03:35 < Lathiat> sounds like the fs imag eis invalid
03:35 < Lathiat> or u don thave the FAT module
03:35 < Lathiat> or vfat etc
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03:38 < wahlau> i do
03:39 < wahlau> since the same UML kernel i have run successfully with another root_fs
03:39 < Lathiat> hrm
03:39 < Lathiat> not surer
03:40 < Lathiat> ask the ml
03:40 < wahlau> mI?
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03:43 < Lathiat> mailing list
03:43 < wahlau> oic
03:43 < wahlau> thanks anyway
03:44 < wahlau> what is the easiest way to create a RH9 root_fs?
03:44 < Lathiat> im nto sure 
03:44 < Lathiat> i think someone has a howto on that
03:44 < Lathiat> google? or check user-mode-linux.org it might have an item on it
03:44 < wahlau> can you show me?
03:45 < Lathiat> i dont use redhate9 so im not sure about it but ill have a quick look for you hangon
03:46 < wahlau> i don't too, but want to since need to test Samba 3
03:46 < wahlau> sigh
03:47 < Lathiat> cant use debian?
03:48 < green> wahlau: http://liunxhacker.ru/uml if you want to install rh9 into uml, or there is also um;builder if you do not want to use RH's installer, ot install RH9 as usual on some patrtition and then let uml use that as its image
03:49 < wahlau> green: i actually tried the .ru site
03:49 < wahlau> pretty complicated :(
03:50 < wahlau> umlbuilder is nice
03:50 < wahlau> how do i start
03:50 < wahlau> let me read the how-tos online.. 
03:50 < wahlau> brb
03:50 < wahlau> thanks guys
03:50 < Lathiat> i love people who read docs
03:51 < wahlau> why?
03:51 < Lathiat> because lots of peopel go
03:51 < Lathiat> "HWO DO I DO THIS! PLEASE DO IT FOR ME!"
03:51 < Lathiat> cant be bothered to open a manual and expect some stranger to set the whole thing up for them
03:51 < Lathiat> well.. no :P
03:52 < wahlau> :)
03:52 < wahlau> i try first to read
03:52 < wahlau> then ask
03:53 < Lathiat> :P
03:53 < Lathiat> then ill think about helping you :P
03:54 < wahlau> i do have one problem
03:54 < wahlau> my umlbuilder_gui doesn't run
03:54 < wahlau> the how-to looks easy enough
03:55 < Lathiat> define doesnt run
03:56 < wahlau> Traceback (most recent call last):
03:56 < wahlau>   File "/usr/lib/uml/umlbuilder/gui.py", line 1065, in ?
03:56 < wahlau>     d=Wizard(root)
03:56 < wahlau>   File "/usr/lib/uml/umlbuilder/gui.py", line 946, in __init__
03:56 < wahlau>     b.grid(row=2,colum=1, sticky=E)
03:56 < wahlau>   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/lib-tk/Tkinter.py", line 1735, in grid_configure
03:56 < wahlau>     self.tk.call(
03:56 < wahlau> TclError: ambiguous option "-colum": must be -column, -columnspan, -in, -ipadx, -ipady, -padx, -pady, -row, -rowspan, or -sticky
03:56 < wahlau> problem at the python script?
03:57 < Lathiat> thats a typo
03:57 < Lathiat> open the script
03:57 < Lathiat> goto like 946
03:57 < Lathiat> and change colum to column
03:59 < wahlau> ohhh...
04:00 < wahlau> hey it works!
04:00 < wahlau> :D
04:00  * wahlau is so happy, finally see the GUI :p hahahha
04:04 < wahlau> btw
04:04 < wahlau> in UMLbuilder
04:04 < wahlau> they don't have RH9
04:04 < wahlau> can i use RH8, or make my own?
04:05 < Lathiat> not sure sorry
04:05  * Lathiat pokes green
04:13 < wahlau> how is the result of poking?
04:13 < wahlau> :p
04:14 < Lathiat> non existant
04:14 < BB> but was it self fullfulling?
04:16 < green> hehe
04:16  * green never used umlbuilder. I have great trust in redhat's installer ;)
04:17 < green> but list of packages in rh8 is different from the list of what is in rh9, so I guess taht won't work
04:18 < wahlau> what is redhat's installer?
04:18 < wahlau> i have tried suse'S uml-install-suse, very good indeed!
04:18 < green> the native one, anaconda ;) You get it when you install it natively ;)
04:19 < wahlau> you mean anaconda can make uml fs?
04:19 < wahlau> ahhhh then i should ask my boss to create the root fs instead :P
04:19 < wahlau> hehehe
04:19 < green> no, I mean you can run anaconda in uml, but you decided it is too complex ;)
04:20 < wahlau> green: my problem is not anaconda
04:20 < wahlau> i can't add newer partition!
04:20 < green> you cannot add it where?
04:20 < wahlau> in my uml
04:20 < green> you mean fdisk does not work?
04:20 < wahlau> my uml refuses to mount anything else than ubd0
04:21 < wahlau> it booted with obd0
04:21 < wahlau> but never able to recognize any fs i put under ubd1 or ubd2 and etc
04:22 < green> hm, what are major/minor pairs are on /dev/ubd[12]? You do not use devfs, right?
04:22 < wahlau> doesn't matter
04:22 < wahlau> with devfs=nomount or not
04:22 < wahlau> there is just no available ubd1 even if i have define in the start up parameter
04:22 < green> so what about /major/minor pair?
04:23 < wahlau> what is that?
04:23 < green> ls -la /dev/ubd1
04:24 < wahlau> in my uml ?
04:24 < wahlau> wait
04:29 < wahlau> [root@laptop root]# ls -la /dev/ubd1 
04:29 < wahlau> brw-r--r--    1 root     root      98,   1 Apr 13 22:02 /dev/ubd1
04:29 < green> looks wrong to me
04:29 < wahlau> ahh
04:29 < wahlau> then?
04:29 < green> how does that correlate to /proc/partitions?
04:29 < green> I expect it to nbe 98, 16
04:32 < wahlau> then how should i change?
04:32 < wahlau> [root@laptop root]# cat /proc/partitions 
04:32 < wahlau> major minor  #blocks  name
04:32 < wahlau>   98     0     700000 hd/disc0/disc
04:32 < wahlau>   98    16     524288 hd/disc1/disc
04:32 < wahlau>   98    32     262144 hd/disc2/disc
04:32 < green> first check /proc/partitions to find out what is the correct minor for ubd1, then remove /dev/ubd1 and do:
04:32 < green> mknod /dev/ubd1 b 98 16 ; mknod /dev/ubd2 b 98 32
04:32 < green> and so on
04:33 < wahlau> ok
04:34 < wahlau> it works!
04:34 < wahlau> thanks!
04:40 < wahlau> so that means
04:41 < wahlau> i should always check whether proc/partition matches the devices or not right?
04:41 < wahlau> phew
04:41 < wahlau> finally :)
04:41 < green> you should only check that when stuff does not work the way you expect it to work ;)
04:41 < wahlau> of course :)
04:41 < wahlau> thanks man
04:42 < Lathiat> i thought of that but
04:42 < Lathiat> i didnt think ti woudl be
04:42 < Lathiat> heh
04:42 < wahlau> anyway, thanks you two
04:43 < wahlau> i am playing with the rootfs i have downloaded from morpheux.org
04:43 < wahlau> since i could not create my own :(
04:45 < wahlau> how to reduce those many xterms?
04:46 < wahlau> i have checked my /etc/inittab
04:46 < wahlau> only 1 console
04:46 < wahlau> is it because of my con=xterm parameter?
04:46 < Lathiat> con0=eh
04:46 < Lathiat> just con=null
04:46 < Lathiat> con0=fd:0,fd:1 con=null
04:46 < Lathiat> of con0=xterm con=null
04:47 < wahlau> thanks
04:59  * green tries to get some sence of italian text with online translators, but all I get is nonsence. sigh
05:01 < wahlau> a question
05:02 < wahlau> can my uml eth and host eth shares same address?
05:02 < green> yes, but resul might be not the one you want to get ;)
05:03 < Lathiat> green: you get that
05:03 < Lathiat> i saw a thign rusty translated his BIO into spanish or something and back and put it in his talk
05:03 < Lathiat> that was highly highly amusing
05:06 < green> hehe. russian-?japan->russian produces highly funny results too. We tried it some time ago ;)
05:07 < green> esp. if you try to use proverbs as the source text ;)
05:07 < wahlau> green: what do you mean by results wise?
05:08 < green> wahlau: I do not know what you expect from it, so I can only guess that results will be different from what you expect ;)
05:10 < wahlau> sorry
05:10 < wahlau> i would like to keep the host from being seen
05:10 < wahlau> so i will use my uml to dial up to internet
05:10 < wahlau> when people access my server
05:11 < wahlau> they should only see my uml, not the host
05:11 < green> you can assign some fake i to the host and then assign host's ip to uml, but that will be tricky with ppp, I guess
05:11 < green> fake ip
05:11 < green> though you probably can run ppp from inside uml directly.
05:13 < wahlau> it is a difficult situation
05:13 < wahlau> thought of implementing this
05:13 < wahlau> where my uml is the actual web server, and if hacked
05:13 < wahlau> i have my images backed up, so just replace from the host will do
05:13 < wahlau> but host must be hidden
06:13 < wahlau> btw
06:14 < wahlau> con0=fd:0, fd:1 means what?
06:14 < wahlau> floppy disk?
06:15 < ljlane> probably file descriptor
06:16 < Lathiat> yeh its file descripter
06:16 < Lathiat> 0 being stdin, 1 being stdout
06:16 < Lathiat> basically the first console comes up on the place you started the UM lup
06:17 < Lathiat> in that terminal
06:20 < wahlau> that means?
06:29 < wahlau> what is file descriptor?
06:43 < ljlane> wahlau, http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?file+descriptor
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07:20 < wahlau> thanks
07:20 < wahlau> ahhh
07:20 < wahlau> that means on the screen itself it is?
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09:29 < ljlane> wahlau, right. con0, the main console, will be regular keyboard input screen ouput for the same terminal you start UML. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/UserModeLinux-HOWTO-5.html shows a number of alternative console configurations.
09:32 < wahlau> yeah thanks.
09:54 < stratsi> how can i prevent uml's users to gain extra IP's w/o permission?
10:09 < Getty> stratsi: don't allow them to use uml_net
10:11 < stratsi> any ideas where can i read about it?
10:18 < Getty> did you follow me?
10:19 < Getty> you must only thing about it some seconds there is nothing to read about
10:20 < stratsi> ok i don't know uml_net exactly is, and im trying to figure out
10:20 < Getty> thats the only way for user to get an ip address without any root access on host
10:20 < Getty> so if you take them uml_net away, they can't change anything on the network config of the host
10:21 < Getty> its only logical
10:24 < stratsi> ok but im talking about assigning ips in the uml system (not the host)
10:24 < stratsi> now the users are able to assign whatever ip they like
10:28 < stratsi> oh i got what you're talking about
10:37 < wahlau> that is like disabling uml_net in the host system, right?
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18:45 < cameron> Hi all, I'm just reinstalling my kernel. Unfortunately I have to keep it at 2.4.19 so my stupid binary Promise RAID drivers don't crash my server all the time. Is SKAS3 still the latest? I seem to recall something about an update, but was that for 2.4.21 instead?
18:45 < caker> only update was a one-line fix for ptrace security patch
18:45 < Lathiat> skas3 is the latest except for what caker said
18:46 < caker> I suggest using http://kernels.usermodelinux.org/host/host-skas3.ptrace.patch.bz2
18:46 < cameron> You wouldn't happen to know where I can get a 2.4.19 fix for the ptrace vuln, do you?
18:46 < cameron> (non SKAS)
18:47 < caker> http://kernels.usermodelinux.org/host/ptrace.diff
18:49 < cameron> caker: So that patch has nothing to do with UML? It's just for the vanilla kernel?
18:50 < caker> cameron: ptrace yes
18:50 < caker> Actually, I think that ptrace diff has all arch's, including um, but just skip that one
18:51 < cameron> So applying that to 2.4.19 will break SKAS3, so I need to patch with host-skas3.ptrace.patch.bz2 after it?
18:51 < caker> cameron: I believe so
18:52 < cameron> caker: thanks
18:52 < caker> Why not just take your promise drivers from 2.4.19 into a newer kernel?
18:52 < caker> ahh binary drivers, nm
18:52 < cameron> Tried that, caused a LOT of instability
18:53 < cameron> Knew I should have insisted on a 3ware RAID solution.
18:55 < cameron> caker: Do any of those pathes contain the skas3 support, or do I need to apply host-skas3.patch at some point?
18:55 < caker> 2.4.22-pre4 is out!
18:55 < cameron> 2.4.22!?!?!
18:55 < caker> The "skas3-ptrace" is skas3+the one line fix
18:55 < cameron> cool.
18:56 < cameron> I wonder what was wrong with 2.4.21
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20:07 < caker> heh 2.4.22-pre4 was released as a reverse patch
20:07 < caker> oops
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22:26 < david> hello
22:45 < caker> evening
22:49 < david> caker: pre4 doesn't seem to have any useful patches in relating to I/O stuf
22:49 < caker> david: Nope I don't think the q_ patch made it in -- have any luck w/ that last evening?
22:51 < david> caker: I applied it and I got it working - I need to run more tests to see if it actually had any performance benifit
22:51 < caker> david: so far so good with the io-stalls patch .. finally!
22:52 < david> caker: that's in pre3 though, right?
22:53 < caker> Yes, it is in pre3
22:53 < caker> just not the q_ one
22:53 < david> ok, just trying to keep up
22:55 < caker> Are you gearing up to release a dc 2.4.22-pre4? :-)
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22:55 < david> caker:once I'm sure the kernel works
22:55 < david> caker: does anyone use those?
22:56 < caker> One of my guys is running the dc 2.4.21
22:56 < david> cool
22:56 < caker> very :-)
22:56 < david> I assume you don't have any sub-2.4.21 kernels available with the ptrace problem?
22:56 < caker> I have a 2.4.20 that people have been running since I started, but it's patched
22:57 < caker> Newest points to vanilla 2.4.21
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22:57 < david> ah, ok
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