--- Day changed --- Log opened Mon Jul 14 00:00:01 2003 00:28 -!- amnesia [eugeneteo@tacheon.cc.uic.edu] has joined #uml 00:29 -!- amnesia is now known as amnesia_home 00:29 -!- Pahan [~pahan@ca-manbch-cuda3-c2a-a-52.stmnca.adelphia.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:29 -!- amnesia_home is now known as amnesia 00:32 -!- amnesia_wrk [eugeneteo@tacheon.cc.uic.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 501 seconds] 00:36 -!- Pahan [~pahan@ca-manbch-cuda3-c2a-a-52.stmnca.adelphia.net] has joined #uml 00:39 -!- desaster [~desaster@dsl-jklgw1o22.dial.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:30 -!- amnesia is now known as amnesia_wrk 01:55 -!- ticallion [~ticallion@213.175.160.13] has joined #uml 02:18 -!- ticallion [~ticallion@213.175.160.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 488 seconds] 02:18 -!- ticallion [~ticallion@213.175.160.13] has joined #uml 02:19 -!- ticallion [~ticallion@213.175.160.13] has quit [Client Quit] 02:28 -!- ticallion [~ticallion@213.175.160.217] has joined #uml 02:36 -!- ticallion[afk [~ticallion@213.175.160.217] has joined #uml 02:37 -!- ticallion[afk [~ticallion@213.175.160.217] has left #uml [] 02:59 -!- ticallion[afk [~ticallion@213.175.160.217] has joined #uml 03:00 -!- ticallion [~ticallion@213.175.160.217] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by ticallion[afk))] 03:00 -!- ticallion[afk is now known as ticallion 03:12 -!- MicW [~chatzilla@pD952B78F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #uml 03:13 < MicW> good morning 03:17 < MicW> i set up an uml redhat booting from ubd0 (whith fake_ide, fakehd, ubd=3 and devfs=nomount). now i added a 2nd ubd (ubd1) for swap. my problem is, that when i try to access this (as hdb), it fails with "/dev/hdb: Bad address" 03:17 < caker> try /dev/ubd16 03:17 < caker> er /dev/hda16 03:17 < caker> that's really udb0 03:18 < caker> 'hd' on a normal system has 32 minor's between majors, and uml only has 16 03:18 < caker> for it's ubd devices 03:18 < caker> sorry .. it's late here .. /dev/hda16 with ubd=3 is really ubd1 03:19 < MicW> hm. what does this udb=3 switch? i thougth it corrects the node numbers 03:19 < MicW> yes 03:19 < caker> It just changes the major .. 03:20 < MicW> and which hdXY is my udb1 now? 03:20 < caker> hda16 03:20 < MicW> (hdb0 works fine as hda) 03:20 < caker> yup 03:20 < MicW> cann i fix this somehow? 03:20 < caker> you could re-mknod the /dev/hd entries, but you might as well drop the "ubd=3" and just use ubd major 03:21 < MicW> hm. since this is only swap i decide to use hda16 ;-) 03:21 < caker> and fake_ide and fakehd are just cosmetic, I believe 03:22 < MicW> hm. would udb2==hdb? 03:22 < caker> 0 1 2 = a b c 03:22 < caker> But in your setup, I think you're right 03:22 < MicW> i'll try 03:22 < caker> because that would be 3,32 03:23 < MicW> is there a special reason for use such strange minors? 03:23 < caker> not sure 03:25 < MicW> hm. it's now hda32 03:25 < caker> right .. whatever has minor 32 03:27 < MicW> hdb has 64 03:27 < MicW> this would be ubd 4 03:35 -!- MicW [~chatzilla@pD952B78F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]] 03:52 -!- ticallion [~ticallion@213.175.160.217] has quit [Quit: later] 05:15 -!- amnesia_wrk is now known as __amnesia_wrk 05:17 -!- __amnesia_wrk is now known as amnesia_wrk 05:21 -!- amnesia_wrk is now known as amn_away 07:04 -!- ticallion [~ticallion@213.175.160.102] has joined #uml 07:09 < ticallion> anybody works with eclipse?! 07:39 -!- desaster [~desaster@dsl-jklgw1o22.dial.inet.fi] has joined #uml 07:40 -!- MicW [~chatzilla@pD952B78F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #uml 07:41 < MicW> re :-) 07:41 < MicW> have you ever tried to boot an uml via bootp/dhcp and nfs? 07:42 < MicW> should this work fine or do i have to expect problems? 07:42 < BB> there was something on the mailing list where jdike tried it and it worked iirc 07:42 < MicW> (this would give me the possibility to have nfs as root) 07:42 < Getty> MicW: you are still on this trip? 07:42 < Getty> MicW: root on lan? ;) 07:43 < MicW> getty: yes. it's better than root in a big file 07:43 < Getty> MicW: aehm no 07:43 < MicW> which is shared over nfs 07:43 < Getty> MicW: not in the performance on the running machine, thing about how many layers of the system the rootfs then must go through 07:44 < Getty> FS Host -> Network Host -> UML Shit -> Network UML -> FS UML -> You can use it 07:44 < Getty> and this for every file? 07:44 < Getty> come on ;) this you wanna call "better"? ;) 07:47 -!- Pahan_ [~pahan@ca-manbch-cuda3-c2a-a-52.stmnca.adelphia.net] has joined #uml 07:49 < MicW> better (in my case) means: i run my uml on the fist development machine that ist started. i have no work with keep them equal 07:50 -!- Pahan [~pahan@ca-manbch-cuda3-c2a-a-52.stmnca.adelphia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 488 seconds] 08:03 < ticallion> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.0-test1.tar.bz2 08:03 < ticallion> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.0-test1.tar.bz2 08:03 < ticallion> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.0-test1.tar.bz2 08:10 -!- ticallion [~ticallion@213.175.160.102] has quit [Quit: shower then d/l 2.6] 08:25 -!- amn_away is now known as amn_really_away 08:31 < MicW> it works. great. my uml is now booting from nfs using ip auto configuration with fixed ip :-) 08:31 < Lathiat> cool 08:31 < MicW> it was much less work than make my javastation boot linux from nfs 08:31 < MicW> ;-) 08:31 < Lathiat> i might try that 08:33 < MicW> i tried it with the toms mini linux. i'll try it now with redhat and report the result here 08:38 < MicW> the only problem is that dhcp will not work since the uml has (must have) the same mac addr as the host. but in my case i needed a fixed ip 08:42 < BB> MicW your another javastation owner ? 08:43 < MicW> yes. are you? 08:43 < BB> MicW yeah 08:43 < BB> MicW I have the krups 08:50 < MicW> so do i. could you ever run fb with > 8 bit? 08:52 < david> MicW: so fix the UML so it has it's own MAC 08:52 < MicW> david: the problem migth be that i cannot change the mac of the network card. so arp miigth not work 08:54 < MicW> but it's not a problem: i use a fixed ip 08:54 < david> MicW: bridge the UML onto the LAN 08:54 < MicW> david: it works fine :-) 08:55 < MicW> never change a running system *g* 08:55 < Lathiat> ehehe 08:56 < MicW> Lathiat: redhat works fine. i hat to remove /etv/lvmtab because lvm init took much time after moving the root to nfs 09:01 -!- amn_really_away is now known as amnesia 09:05 < MicW> hm. halt doesn't work in the new uml: /dev/initctl seems not to work :-( 09:05 < MicW> shutdown works 09:10 < MicW> no: it broadcasts that the system will shut down and does nothing :-( 09:24 < MicW> devfs was the solution :-) 09:48 -!- tp [~tp@217.9.39.213] has joined #uml 10:10 -!- AquaJo [~torbofh@pD9E4C583.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #uml 10:22 -!- ASY [~someone@66.36.135.202] has joined #uml 10:28 -!- MicW [~chatzilla@pD952B78F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]] 11:41 -!- revenger3 [revenger@p508B2A62.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #uml 11:43 -!- revenger2 [revenger@80.139.17.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 488 seconds] 11:58 < david> hello 11:58 < caker> morning! 11:59 < AquaJo> moin 12:05 -!- amnesia is now known as amn_sleep 12:20 < caker> we need do start the "Daily UML Trivia Question" 12:31 < david> heheheh 12:45 < BB> hmm #uml-trivia 12:53 < Lathiat> heh 12:53 -!- amn_sleep is now known as amn_really_sleep 12:59 -!- Lathiat [lathiat@seven.sixlabs.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06 -!- Lathiat [~Lathiat@130.95.13.25] has joined #uml 13:11 -!- Lathiat_ [lathiat@seven.sixlabs.org] has joined #uml 13:11 -!- Lathiat [~Lathiat@130.95.13.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13 -!- amn_really_sleep is now known as amnesia 13:30 -!- amnesia is now known as amnesia_sleeping_again 13:36 -!- Lathiat_ [lathiat@seven.sixlabs.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:36 -!- Lathiat [lathiat@seven.sixlabs.org] has joined #uml 13:41 -!- Lathiat [lathiat@seven.sixlabs.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:51 -!- tp [~tp@217.9.39.213] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 13:53 -!- Lathiat [lathiat@seven.sixlabs.org] has joined #uml 14:52 -!- Dorian [~dorian@81.132.95.132] has joined #uml 15:05 -!- Dorian [~dorian@81.132.95.132] has left #uml [] 15:05 -!- mdz_ [~mdz@h00034795fb2d.ne.client2.attbi.com] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 15:20 -!- mdz_ [~mdz@24.91.103.187] has joined #uml 16:01 -!- mdz_ [~mdz@24.91.103.187] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 16:05 -!- Ryback_ [~ra993482@malazarte.lsd.ic.unicamp.br] has joined #uml 16:23 -!- Ryback_ [~ra993482@malazarte.lsd.ic.unicamp.br] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 16:38 -!- tp [~tp@217.9.39.213] has joined #uml 16:43 -!- rob [rob@213.230.203.221] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:50 -!- mdz_ [~mdz@h00034795fb2d.ne.client2.attbi.com] has joined #uml 17:16 < AquaJo> n8 17:17 -!- slh__ [~chatzilla@66.157.234.16] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18 -!- tp [~tp@217.9.39.213] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 17:19 -!- AquaJo [~torbofh@pD9E4C583.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Gute Nacht(ruhe) wüsche ich noch] 17:21 < david> hello 17:22 < caker> hey 17:22 < BB> hi david 17:22 < caker> What was the guy's name in 2001/2010 ? Dave? .. I'm afraid I can't do that Dave 17:22 < caker> The HAL-9000 (uml) 17:23 < BB> yeah that was dave 17:24 -!- tp [~tp@217.9.39.213] has joined #uml 17:31 -!- mdz_ [~mdz@h00034795fb2d.ne.client2.attbi.com] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 17:34 -!- mdz_ [~mdz@h00034795fb2d.ne.client2.attbi.com] has joined #uml 17:41 -!- mdz_ [~mdz@h00034795fb2d.ne.client2.attbi.com] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 19:33 -!- amnesia_sleeping_again is now known as amnesia 19:37 -!- umlnewbi [~mpirun@65.64.191.142] has joined #uml 20:02 < umlnewbi> whats error 113 when trying to use br0/tap0/uml_switch? 20:03 < david> what's the whole rror? 20:03 < david> and what caused it? 20:03 < umlnewbi> in the dmesg of the guest...sec, i'll get tehre again 20:04 < umlnewbi> Netdevice 0 : daemon backend (uml_switch version 3) - unix:/tmp/uml.ctl 20:04 < umlnewbi> daemon_open : control connect failed, errno = 13 20:05 < umlnewbi> hrm..woulda swore it said 113 last time 20:06 < david> means it can't connect to the uml_switch daemon 20:06 < david> ensure that uml-switch is running as the same user as UML 20:07 < umlnewbi> ooh...its not. 20:07 < umlnewbi> cool, thanks. 20:08 < david> np 20:09 < david> or you can just chmod the /tmp/uml.ctl thing 20:11 -!- amnesia is now known as amn_away 20:11 < umlnewbi> yeah..that's what has been causing me 2 days of trouble..heh..thanks 20:15 < umlnewbi> so is br0/tap0/uml_switch the highest performance networking option? 20:16 < Pahan_> Without the "uml_switch" part. 20:17 -!- Pahan_ is now known as Pahan 20:36 < umlnewbi> cool..thanks. 21:05 -!- tp [~tp@217.9.39.213] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 21:14 -!- amn_away is now known as amn_really_away 21:51 -!- pardini [ricardo@200.185.85.2] has joined #uml 21:52 -!- amn_really_away is now known as amnesia 21:52 < pardini> hello #uml... newbie seeking help 21:53 < david> hello 22:03 < pardini> I'm running (host) Debian Sid... I wonder if rootstrap is a good starting point? 22:04 < amnesia> u dun need tools to do these 22:05 < pardini> the user-mode-linux package works okay, gives me working /usr/bin/linux. but rootstrap doesn't seem to work... 22:05 < amnesia> run without devfs 22:07 < pardini> also... the debian package seems to come with a 2.4.20 kernel... now i'd like to run 2.5.x, but things are confusing since people say UML has been merged in 2.5. what should I do? 22:08 < amnesia> i have not tried it 22:10 < pardini> maybe 2.5.75 has "user mode linux" as an option when configuring it, and it does 'all the work'? no need for patches? 22:10 < amnesia> to be frank, i am using 2.6.0-test1 22:11 < amnesia> i didn't see uml option 22:15 < pardini> so you patched 'as usual'? 22:24 < david> pardini: 2.5 has an older build of UML 22:24 < david> you need to patch 2.5 if you're going to do anything with it 22:37 -!- agrahamRH [~agrahamRH@host217-35-14-237.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #uml 22:39 < agrahamRH> Hello everyone, can anybody tell me the maximum number of copies of Linux ever run on a UML host ? 22:42 -!- agrahamRH [~agrahamRH@host217-35-14-237.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:42 -!- agrahamRH [~agrahamRH@host217-35-14-237.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #uml 22:43 -!- agrahamRH [~agrahamRH@host217-35-14-237.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:55 < pardini> rootstrap (and all networking for all I know) only work when running UML as root 22:55 < pardini> I started doing things as root and everything is fine 23:11 -!- pardini [ricardo@200.185.85.2] has quit [Quit: Thanks all] --- Log closed Tue Jul 15 00:00:00 2003