--- Day changed --- Log opened Mon Jul 21 00:00:02 2003 03:15 -!- snide [~snide@AMontsouris-108-1-19-166.w80-15.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #uml 03:23 -!- ticallion [~ticallion@213.175.160.133] has joined #uml 03:37 -!- ticallion [~ticallion@213.175.160.133] has left #uml [Client exiting] 03:38 -!- ticallion [~ticallion@213.175.160.133] has joined #uml 03:44 -!- paq_ [~paq@202.155.9.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 488 seconds] 03:47 -!- paq_ [~paq@202.155.9.188] has joined #uml 03:53 -!- ticallion [~ticallion@213.175.160.133] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 04:27 -!- paq_ [~paq@202.155.9.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 490 seconds] 04:30 -!- paq_ [~paq@202.155.9.188] has joined #uml 08:30 -!- Dorian [~dorian@host81-132-236-209.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #uml 09:28 -!- Dorian [~dorian@host81-132-236-209.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has quit [Quit: Download Gaim [http://gaim.sourceforge.net/]] 10:03 -!- Jon [~jon@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has joined #uml 10:03 < Jon> hello 10:04 < Jon> I have a slight problem with user mode linux, and I was wondering if anyone was able to help 10:04 < Jon> I cannot find an answer to my Q in the faqs/docs/etc 10:04 < Jon> on boot I get fsck.ext2: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/ubd/0 10:04 < Jon> this happens with all the root_fs's I've tried 10:05 < Jon> attempting to start uml with the following 10:05 < Jon> $ linux ubd0=root_fs_debian-3.0r0.ext2 10:05 < Jon> (for debian root_fs par exemple) 10:06 < Jon> hmm 10:06 < Jon> tried to mount as loopback adn change /dev/ubd/0 to /dev/ubd0,,, 10:11 < Jon> the slackware image works with that alteration (phew) 10:16 -!- AquaJo [~torbofh@pD9E4C947.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #uml 10:18 < Jon> hello 10:18 < AquaJo> hi 10:25 < Jon> how are you? 10:27 < AquaJo> I'm fine 10:28 -!- Jax [~computer_@148.100.211.67] has joined #uml 10:28 < AquaJo> its only a bit hot here 10:32 < Jon> heh 10:32 < Jon> where abouts are you 10:33 < AquaJo> in germany, nrw 10:35 < Jon> <-- southern england atm 10:41 * Jon tries the debian image again 10:42 < AquaJo> it works fine 10:42 -!- indra [~indra@AMontsouris-108-1-19-166.w80-15.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #uml 10:42 < Jon> the 3.0 one keeps halting at the cron stage 10:42 < AquaJo> wrong inittab 10:42 < AquaJo> ? 10:43 < Jon> Starting periodic command scheduler: cron. 10:43 < Jon> INIT: Id "0" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes 10:43 < Jon> INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes 10:43 < Jon> INIT: Id "2" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes 10:43 < Jon> INIT: Id "c" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes 10:43 < Jon> INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel 10:43 < Jon> unsure 10:43 < AquaJo> wrong inittab! 10:43 < Jon> I just chose the image and ran uml 10:43 < Jon> how do I select the correct one? 10:43 < AquaJo> corect it to devfs 10:43 -!- indra [~indra@AMontsouris-108-1-19-166.w80-15.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 10:43 < AquaJo> siply change the gettys 10:43 < Jon> aaah 10:45 < Jon> is there a command line switch for it? 10:46 < AquaJo> mount the image and chage it there 10:47 < Jon> ok 10:47 < Jon> can you tell me what changes to make please 10:48 < Jon> I can mount it ok but I'm stuck after that! 10:49 < AquaJo> 0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 ttys/0 10:49 < Jon> ah yes I see those lines 10:50 < AquaJo> you'll have to change them a bit 10:50 < Jon> this is something to do with devfs, right? 10:52 < Jon> apologies, I have no experience with the inittab 10:52 -!- Lathiat_ [~Lathiat@thump.bur.st] has joined #uml 10:55 -!- Lathiat_ [~Lathiat@thump.bur.st] has quit [Client Quit] 10:55 -!- Lathiat_ [~Lathiat@thump.bur.st] has joined #uml 10:55 < Jon> ah, with the other images the tty's are opened as xterm's 10:58 < Jon> I've dropped the 's' as it isn't present in the other images but this hasn't appeared to solve the problem 10:59 < AquaJo> uncommentet other nondevfs spezifik lines? 10:59 < AquaJo> or stertet once without devfs? 11:02 < Jon> the 2.2 image works on my machine fine 11:03 < Jon> I may just dist-upgrade that one 11:03 < AquaJo> why not 11:03 < AquaJo> or take a look what's different there 11:06 < AquaJo> *keine digicamfind* 11:06 < AquaJo> -sentence 11:07 < Jon> aha! 11:07 < Jon> sorted it 11:07 < Jon> tty/x needed to become ttyx 11:13 -!- Lathiat [lathiat@seven.sixlabs.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13 -!- Lathiat [lathiat@seven.sixlabs.org] has joined #uml 11:24 < AquaJo> bye 11:24 < AquaJo> cul8ter 11:24 -!- AquaJo [~torbofh@pD9E4C947.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Die Phantasie tröstet die Menschen über das hinweg, was sie nicht sein können, und der Humor über das, was sie tatsächlich sind. - Albert Camus] 11:25 -!- ticallion [~ticallion@213.175.160.156] has joined #uml 11:27 -!- Lathiat [lathiat@seven.sixlabs.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:27 -!- Lathiat__ [lathiat@130.95.13.25] has joined #uml 11:27 -!- Lathiat__ [lathiat@130.95.13.25] has quit [Client Quit] 11:27 -!- Lathiat [lathiat@seven.sixlabs.org] has joined #uml 11:27 -!- Lathiat_ [~Lathiat@thump.bur.st] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:29 -!- ceu [foobar@217.194.0.50] has joined #uml 11:29 < ceu> hi 11:29 < ticallion> hey people 11:31 < ceu> can I apply 2.4.20-6um patch against 2.4.21 kernel? Or using the same version is mandatory? 11:33 < ceu> (sorry if this is a FAQ) 11:34 < ticallion> I dunno about uml in specific but it really depends, try however and it will tell u if it patches successfully 11:44 < BB> david has one here i think http://kernels.usermodelinux.org/ 11:52 -!- snide [~snide@AMontsouris-108-1-19-166.w80-15.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: [BX] OH SHIT!\11] 11:53 -!- rlo [~roberto@200.138.100.242] has joined #uml 11:55 < rlo> wich 2.5.* uml patch actually compiles? 11:56 < ceu> I've found 2.4.21 patch here http://kernels.usermodelinux.org/patches/uml-patch-2.4.21.bz2 11:56 < ceu> is this reliable? 11:57 -!- AquaJo [~torbofh@217.228.201.71] has joined #uml 11:57 < AquaJo> rehi 12:05 < rlo> anyone using .69 or .70 uml? 12:11 -!- ticallion [~ticallion@213.175.160.156] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 12:20 < Jon> hi 12:24 -!- rlo [~roberto@200.138.100.242] has quit [Quit: Finalizando Cliente] 12:36 -!- Jax [~computer_@148.100.211.67] has quit [Quit: gone home] 13:35 -!- Dorian [~dorian@81.132.80.143] has joined #uml 13:57 -!- ceu [foobar@217.194.0.50] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 13:59 -!- mistral [mistral@jstevenson.plus.com] has joined #uml 14:05 -!- Dorian [~dorian@81.132.80.143] has quit [Quit: Download Gaim [http://gaim.sourceforge.net/]] 14:07 -!- Dorian [~dorian@host81-132-80-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #uml 14:25 < Getty> i have a stupid question 14:26 < Getty> the arch structure which is removed by uml (through uml ;) ) is also the one who cares about teh optimitzed gcc parameters, or? 14:27 < AquaJo> I'm not sure, but isn't a makefile responsible for the compilerflags? 14:27 < Getty> yeah of course, but who makes the makefile? 14:27 < Getty> make menuconfig/config 14:27 < Getty> and based on which parameters of this menu? on the arch 14:27 -!- jdike [~jdike@209.151.19.164] has joined #uml 14:28 < Getty> so my thought was that we still need option to optimize it for the proper CPU 14:28 < Getty> but its only a thought of a non-kernel-coder 14:28 < AquaJo> good questin, ask jeff :-) 14:29 < Getty> yeah... i think too its a good question ;) 14:36 -!- jdike [~jdike@209.151.19.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 488 seconds] 14:42 -!- Dorian [~dorian@host81-132-80-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53 -!- jdike [~jdike@dhcp152.linuxsymposium.org] has joined #uml 15:01 < jdike> who jdike 15:01 < jdike> oops 15:11 < AquaJo> moin jef 15:13 < Getty> re 15:13 < AquaJo> Getty has asked if would make sense to compile uml with platformspezific compileroptions, and if how it would be possible 15:13 < Getty> thx aquajo 15:13 < Getty> (he is my assistent ;) joke) 15:13 < AquaJo> *g* 15:14 < AquaJo> <- is also intrested 15:14 < Getty> yeah, i was coming to the theme while i talked to a friend who is also an uml freak 15:14 < Getty> but he prefers AMD and i prefer Intel 15:14 < Getty> so we talked about a competition, and then we came to this "problem" or whatever you wanna call it ;) 15:18 < green> this is possible 15:18 < green> just hack the makefile and change CFLAGS in top level makefile 15:18 < green> that's what I do 15:19 < Getty> ah cool 15:19 < AquaJo> makes it sene? 15:19 < AquaJo> a 'real' performancegain? 15:19 < Getty> then we should add this to the uml patch itself 15:19 < green> or may be you need to change cflags in the arch/um Makefile which is basically hte same thing 15:19 < Getty> i mean something like UML-568 UML-K6 and so on 15:19 < green> AquaJo: don't know what kind of a gain I get, have nothing to compare, but I realy suspec the gain is negligible 15:19 < Getty> negligible? 15:20 < Getty> man a russian tells me an english word which i not understood ;) 15:20 < green> well, don't know the right word. "unnoticeable" should be it ;) 15:20 < Getty> ah ok ;) 15:20 < Getty> i think it will be much 15:20 < green> why ? You do not have lots of uml code executing at all 15:21 < green> at least this is the idea You mostly have your userlevel code executing 15:21 < Getty> green: but in the rest of the source 15:21 < Getty> green: anything will be optimized for the CPU 15:21 < Getty> green: like a kernel does normally with defining the Arch 15:21 < green> yeah, that's it. And if you compare the runtime, the uml's part are really small compared to the userspace run time in lots of the workload cases 15:21 < green> kernel-heavy workloads are not that common 15:22 < Getty> then we must start setting up test uml server ;) 15:22 < green> hehe 15:22 < Getty> for testing performance on that point 15:22 < Getty> we need a good internal uml test 15:22 * green waits for some big vndor to give away some powerful laptop to me as a test server ;) 15:23 < Getty> hehe 15:31 -!- xray [~locher@212.53.113.150] has joined #uml 15:36 < jdike> AquaJo: you could, and it might improve performance 15:38 < AquaJo> If I have too much time I might test it, an send then a report to the ml 15:45 -!- david [~d@vidcoulson.com] has joined #uml 16:15 < xray> is uml working with linux-2.6.0-test1? 16:15 < jdike> xray: not yet 16:16 < jdike> xray: but a patch was sent to lkml today today 16:16 < jdike> xray: I'm up to 2.5.71 right now 16:16 < xray> jdike: thanks. so i should try with 2.5.71 for now? 16:17 < jdike> xray: feel free to try the 2.6.0-pre1 patch 16:18 < jdike> xray: and report back to uml-devel :-) 16:18 < david> hello 16:19 < BB> hi david 16:19 < david> jdike: can you post the URL to the 2.6.0-pre1 patch on uml.org? 16:19 < david> er, -test1 16:20 < david> I can't find it 16:20 < jdike> I'm at KS right now... 16:22 < jdike> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=105873922710362&w=2 16:22 < jdike> Feel free to post it 16:25 < AquaJo> jeff: BTW, is the mirror vd-server running fine? 16:27 < AquaJo> <- only courious 16:27 < AquaJo> *g* 16:46 < jdike> AquaJo: as far as I'm aware 16:48 < AquaJo> fine 17:02 < david> seems my dl.uml.org idea fell on deaf ears 17:03 < BB> david i was gonna email you about it, but i kinda forgot 17:03 < AquaJo> jeff is /root there :-) 17:03 < david> BB: heh 17:03 < david> AquaJo: where? 17:04 < AquaJo> on the mirror powerd by vd-server 17:04 < AquaJo> *g* 17:05 < AquaJo> I thought you reffer to that server/statement above 17:05 < david> AquaJo: the point of my mirror configuration was so that we would have geographically diverse mirrors without having Jeff aministrate them all 17:06 < AquaJo> supersparrow like? 17:06 < BB> david was you considering a sourceforge style or auto guess from the IP addy ? 17:06 < david> BB: sf.net style 17:06 -!- ticallion [~ticallion@213.175.160.92] has joined #uml 17:06 < AquaJo> then youll need bgp-Informations IIRC 17:06 < david> bgp? 17:06 < david> wtf? 17:06 < AquaJo> and I don't think everyone coult provide an BGP-feed (we can't at the mioment) 17:07 < ticallion> re 17:07 < BB> I do uk2.php.net and they use IP data to redirect people to the "closest" mirror 17:07 < AquaJo> the routingprotocol 17:07 < david> AquaJo: I know what BGP is - I'm asking what relavence it has in this context 17:07 < david> BB: right, you just whois the IP and figure out the country then redirect them to the closest one 17:07 < david> BB: seems somewhat academic right now 17:07 < david> BB: since we'll only have 10 mirrors in about 5 countries 17:08 < BB> david well they use a lookup table 17:08 < AquaJo> supersparrow uses the BGP-Infos to 'guess'/calculate the best Server for a website 17:08 < AquaJo> nice Idea 17:08 < david> AquaJo: based on route cost? 17:08 < AquaJo> nice IdeaIIRC, yes, on the length of the prefix 17:08 < AquaJo> less hops are better .. 17:08 < AquaJo> to keep ist short 17:09 < david> er 17:09 < david> less hops is not always best 17:09 < BB> it sure isnt 17:09 < AquaJo> but you won't get much more information out of bgp IIRC 17:09 < ticallion> I'm sure u all know that some countries r very far from the next backbone they're routed to but I don't get why some very big production websites use the geographical data to decide which server to direct u to?! nothing related to personalized content... 17:10 < BB> well for me in the UK its cheaper to get EU bandwidth than it is global for a start 17:10 < ticallion> is anybody having probs connecting to freenode?! 17:11 < BB> ticallion i seem to be connected still 17:11 < ticallion> it's something to do with my isp *shrug* hate those unprofessional bastards 17:11 < AquaJo> <- takes a glimpse at his clooks an decided to say good night 17:12 < AquaJo> <- have to get up in 6,75h 17:12 < BB> lucky ... not 17:13 -!- ticallion [~ticallion@213.175.160.92] has quit [Quit: reconnect in order] 17:14 < AquaJo> good night 17:15 -!- AquaJo [~torbofh@217.228.201.71] has quit [Quit: Nenne Dich nicht arm, wenn Deine Träume nicht in Erfüllung gehen, nenne Dich arm, wenn Du nie geträumt hast. ] 17:19 -!- xray [~locher@212.53.113.150] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 17:26 -!- jejeje [a@217.216.196.47] has joined #uml 17:28 -!- jejeje [a@217.216.196.47] has quit [Client Quit] 17:30 < BB> hows your soggy trainers luke? 17:31 < BB> doh 18:18 -!- jdike [~jdike@dhcp152.linuxsymposium.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 490 seconds] 18:21 < BB> david will you be bothering or not now with the download system? 18:30 -!- slingo [~slingo@68.17.185.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 488 seconds] 23:02 -!- keo [keo@postoffice.martnet.com] has joined #uml 23:07 < keo> what package does #include 23:07 < keo> #include 23:07 < keo> come with 23:08 < keo> i keep getting uml_mconsole.c:16: readline/readline.h: No such file or directory 23:08 < keo> when i try to compile mconsole 23:13 < keo> nvm i got it; readline-devel 23:13 < keo> bye; thanks :) 23:13 -!- keo [keo@postoffice.martnet.com] has quit [Quit: [BX] mIRCrap: JUST DON'T DO IT!] --- Log closed Tue Jul 22 00:00:00 2003