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07:38 < Tony_> can I confirm UML patches are included in 2.6 series?
07:41 < Tony_> hmmmm ... FAQ on the community page is a little sparse
07:43 < Tony_> very quiet isn't it?
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08:47 < Tony_> hello?
08:58 < Getty> sometimes, silence is cool ;)
08:59 < BB> hmmmmm silence
08:59 < Tony_> I was trying to find out if there is a UML patch for 2.4.21 ?
08:59 < Getty> i don't know ;)
08:59 < BB> david has one here iirc http://kernels.usermodelinux.org/patches
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09:12 < Tony_> got it thanks BB
09:12 < Tony_> that's great
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09:14 < Jon> hello
09:18 < Jax> hi
09:20 < Jon> I plan to use uml for kernel development, as the machine room people are sick of me crashing their quad 2GHz machines..
09:21 < Jon> I'm having no end of trouble adding 'partitions' to the debian images on the main page
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09:50 < Jax> what are you trying?
09:50 < Jon> linux ubd1=my_loopback_file
09:50 < Jon> but /dev/udb1 isn't present in the uml
09:51 < Jon> also for some reason I cannot login on tty1
09:51 < Jax> it should be /dev/ubd/1
09:51 < Jon> for what version of uml
09:51 < Jax> any
09:51 < Jon> hm
09:51 < Jon> I have tried to use /dev/ubd/1 and it has failed
09:52 < Jax> do you have anything that uses that partition? you should add a line to /etc/fstab
09:54 < Jon> starting from the beginning... /etc/fstab mounts /dev/ubd0 on / and proc on /proc and thats all
09:54 < Jon> /dev/ubd* exist, but /dev/ubd/* does not 
09:54 < Jon> surely the actual location of the files in /dev isn't important, only the major/minor numbers
09:54 < Jon> or is this devfs
09:57 < Jon> another problem is that the images are built for 2.4.18 but uml is 2.4.20 in deb/sid
09:58 < Jon> argh I think I'm going to get a drink
09:58 < Jon> bbiab
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10:02 < ticallion> I'm sorta stuck on creating my own uml-compat minimal fs, haven't tried dd'ing a real partition into a file, would that work?! any urls that cover the issue?!
10:02 < ticallion> oh, and umm, morning :)
10:03 < Jax> let me know if you find a site, i want to build a newer slackware fs
10:04 < ticallion> yeah, haven't looked hard enough, been busy, will drop the URLs if I find any
10:05 < ticallion> I successfully followed a howto on building a base woody fs, want?!
10:06 < Jax> sure
10:06 < Jax> the only things i've found were rpm based tools, and instructions for text based installs
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10:08 < ticallion> Jax: http://www.huckstep.uklinux.net/mle/uml-woody.html (it's linked from user-mode-linux.sf.net) but u have to follow some extra steps described in http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/jnilo/uml07.html
10:09 < Jax> thank you
10:09 < Jax> you're familiar with debian, Jon is having a problem using ubd1 with his debian images
10:09 < ticallion> Jax: follow the first doc, if something gets borked, look for clues in the second one, don't remember what I had to do from the second
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10:10 < ticallion> anybody built a minimal RHL fs from scratch?!
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10:10 < ticallion> hey david-work
10:10 < ticallion> lemme repaste my Q, maybe u can help
10:10 < ticallion> I'm sorta stuck on creating my own uml-compat minimal fs, haven't tried dd'ing a real partition into a file, would that work?! any urls that cover the issue?!
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10:14 < ticallion> hey G2_
10:14 < ticallion> G2_: I compiled 2.4.20+skas for the host and 2.4.20+uml without hitches
10:15 < ticallion> G2_: skas2
10:15 < ticallion> I mean
10:15 < ticallion> skas3
10:15 < G2_> ticallion: cool
10:15 < ticallion> G2_: u wanted an update on that right?
10:15 < G2_> I do patch -p1 for both, did you
10:15 < ticallion> I didn't add the uml patch for the first one
10:15 < G2_> ok
10:16 < G2_> I tried either way (both)
10:16 < ticallion> G2_: what was the error?!
10:16 < ticallion> I had some problems at first
10:16 < G2_> failed chunks, 2 out of 3
10:17 < ticallion> compiled a modular uml kernel with hostfs support as a module, kernel built fine but hostfs module wouldn't
10:17 < ticallion> G2_: ur doing something wrong in the patching?!
10:17 < ticallion> G2_: did u get the 6th release of the uml patch for 2.4.20?!
10:19 < G2_> yes, the latest
10:19 < ticallion> G2_: patch -p1 from /usr/src/linux-2.4.20?!
10:20 < G2_> yeah
10:20 < ticallion> G2_: r u patching the uml kernel with the skas3 patch?! u shouldn't have to...
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10:28 < ticallion> keep me posted Jax, bbl
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11:13 < attriel> anyone here ever needed to do the "fdisk /dev/ubd1" thing? I'm trying to do a slackware install, and it keeps telling me it is unable to read /dev/ubd1 :(
11:14 < G2_> did you read the slakcwall howto?
11:14 < attriel> the Slackware installation README ?  yah
11:15 < G2_> yeah
11:15 < attriel> (from http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/slack_readme.html)
11:15 < G2_> yes. oh well never mind
11:16 < attriel> far as i can tell i followed all the instuctions :(  I even built a 2.4.20 UML kernel just to see if maybe a 2.5.70 change somewhere had broken it :/
11:17 < attriel> guess i'll mail the readme author and ask some q's :o
11:17 < G2_> try the list
11:20 < attriel> good point :o
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12:53 < AquaJo> hi
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13:32 < madness> can I use the 2.4.20 uml patches against a 2.4.21 kernel ?
13:32 < madness> (safely) :P
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13:40 < david-work> yes
13:41 < madness> david-work: thanks :)
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15:27  * fuzz wonders where a clueless newbie should begin
15:28 < madness> probably the howto
15:28 < madness> that's where I'm starting ;)
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15:30 < fuzz> madness: What's the link for the howto?
15:31 < fuzz> Is it from the LDP?
15:31 < madness> it's on the usermodelinux site.
15:32 < madness> http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/UserModeLinux-HOWTO.html
15:32 < fuzz> thanks
15:33 < fuzz> Quick, stupid newbie question: How does VMware compare to UML (other than prohibitively expensive versus free)?
15:36 < fuzz> (a URL with the answer would be great if anyone knows one)
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15:36  * fuzz reads the HOWTO to find out how to use UML and whether it will do what he wants
15:37 < simpleeqbest> anyone taking questions?  Trying to understand what UMLinux is, exactly.
15:37 < Jax> do you have a question?
15:38 < simpleeqbest> yes.  UMlinux emulates a Linux OS inside a Linux OS, like WINE does for WIndows in Linux?  Or UMLinux emulates (virtualizes?) hardware, more like VMware Workstation?
15:42 < desaster> uml doesn't emulate, uml *is* linux
15:43 < desaster> running on top of linux, instead of for example some cpu
15:43 < desaster> simple as that :)
15:44 < simpleeqbest> UML is virtualized Linux, then?  VMware and plex86 both virtualize PC hardware and so must run on a real PC.  bochs emulates PC hardware, and so can be ported to any platform.
15:46 < attriel> UML is a full linux running on linux with linux but in a seperate space, so it can only screw itself up (in theory anyway)
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15:52 < fuzz> simpleeqbest: I was interested in the same question and a google search turned up http://linux.oreillynet.com/lpt/a/2428--it may be interesting to you.
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20:08 < silug> that oreillynet article seems to be a bit off
20:08 < silug> comparing plex86 and bochs to uml is silly
20:08 < silug> it's *not* a hardware emulator
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20:35 < jdike> hi guys
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21:26 < silug> jdike: idle question for you...  if my business wanted to sponsor a bit of uml development effort, a) is it likely you'd have time, and b) would we talk to you or your employer?
21:26 < silug> not that it's likely to happen for a while, but at the rate things have been going i might be able to justify the expense soon...
22:02 < jdike> silug: talk to me, I can smooth it over with my employer :-)
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22:15 < david> hello
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