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--- Log opened Sun Apr 03 23:59:02 2005
00:00 < Andrew_> btw, Ive seen a little bit of info, but does anyone know how the freebsd support in xen is coming along?
00:18 -!- sleon [~sleon@p54A171C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xen
00:18 < sleon> hi
00:18 < sleon> where to get aim7 from?
00:19 < Robot101> aim as in AOL Instant Messenger?
00:20 < sleon> Robot101, nono it is a unix benchmark suite
00:20 < sleon> it is from sco group
00:20 < sleon> and the reomved it from their website
00:20 < sleon> it was in contrib dir :D
00:21 < Robot101> hmm you're right
00:23 < sleon> i was told it is very good
00:24 < Robot101> http://sourceforge.net/projects/re-aim-7
00:25 < Robot101> ?
00:25 < sleon> cool
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05:51 < mael> Hi
06:23 < CryptWizard> hi
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07:39 < soffi> hey dudes
07:45 < mael> I soffi
07:45 < mael> s/I/Hi/
07:45 < soffi> how are you doing
07:45 < mael> cool you just arrived, I was reading you mail on xen users
07:45 < soffi> cool :)
07:45 < mael> I have a small sarge image if you need
07:46 < soffi> cool
07:46 < mael> but I don't have it here
07:46 < soffi> no prob
07:46 < mael> I can upload it anywhere you like
07:46 < soffi> you can use a temporary ssh/scp account on my machine
07:46 < soffi> don't have ftp
07:47 < mael> ok
07:47 < mael> I will get the stuff for tomorrow, as I need some time to fix a hdd problem on my xen machine
07:47 < soffi> olrite
07:48 < mael> I'll contact you here
07:48 < soffi> What do you think, should the images be configured to get dhcp for network or leave it up to the user?
07:48 < soffi> I had to go through hell getting Novell network up
07:49 < soffi> but that's because I don't know novell / suse init architecture
07:54 < mael> well I don't know
07:54 < mael> dhcp seems simpler
07:54 < mael> btw I might be interesting to set "rules" for the images
07:54 < mael> for instance : fs used, hostname, network configuration
07:55 < mael> which mirror to use, so on
07:57 < mael> shall I do the "mv tls tls.disabled" also?
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08:00  * mael guess so as it is written on the web page
08:03 < mael> hehe I just discovered that I haven't seen the whole bunch of messages on the ML...
08:03 < mael> plenty to read
08:20 < mael> ok i finished reading the whole thread
08:21 < mael> I think stuff has been quite far, maybe too much if you ask me, but I don't want to slow down one's enthusiasm :)
08:21 < mael> Anyway, I think it is quite necessary to provide rules instead of letting the "image provider" doing whatever he wants to
08:22 < mael> at least for "base domU images", as I believe they should be small and clean
08:23 < mael> we can have separate specialized images/distributions as Antoine stated in his mail
08:24 < mael> +also
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08:58 < mael> soffi:  I'm writting a short document on images build specifications and building new DomU debian sarge images
09:03  * soffi just got back from lunch
09:04 < soffi> mael: I think a baseline/rules for images should be written
09:04 < soffi> well at least discussed
09:04 < soffi> maybe everyone will agree that I should put backdoors and trojans into every image ;)
09:05 < mael> ok, and this is exactly what I'm writting : a sort of RFC for images buildings
09:05 < mael> s/for images buildings/on how to build images/
09:07 < mael> I can send you this draft as an openoffice document
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09:12 < soffi> ehh how about a textfile ?:)
09:12 < soffi> does it have images ? :)
09:12 < mael> yeah I can export it in text format
09:12 < soffi> If it has images and lots of formatting then send me the OO dok
09:13 < mael> it's just that it might allow us to add correction tracking
09:13 < soffi> ahh
09:13 < soffi> clever
09:13 < soffi> sooo clever
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09:13 < soffi> well lets see if yum pulls oo for me
09:14 < mael> diff is a solution also if OOo is not an option for you :)
09:15 < soffi> nono sure I'
09:15 < soffi> ll you OO... just didn't think of the versioning feature
09:15 < soffi> you/use/g
09:20 < soffi> what do you think about the tarballs ?
09:20 < soffi> I mean.. they are fs agnostic
09:22 < mael> yeah I think this is cleaner
09:23 < mael> and the images are smaller
09:24 < mael> providing a small rootfs image can be a challenge because that mean you might have to do partitions resizing etc...
09:27 < soffi> yup
09:27 < soffi> if only tarballs are provided, the only change you have to make is /etc/fstab
09:28 < soffi> that is if you are not using the fs originally stated in fstab
09:28 < mael> yes
09:28 < mael> but you have to consider the fs included in the domU  kernel image
09:29 < mael> I think we might start with "generic" xen domU images first
09:29 < mael> so it will be easier to maintain
09:29 < soffi> yeah I think so
09:30 < mael> we can change that afterwards if needed
09:30 < mael> for instance in the distributions provide xen domU kernels on their own
09:30 < mael> s/in/if/
09:31 < soffi> yup
09:32 < soffi> best would be to provide online image generation ;)
09:33 < mael> mmh
09:34 < mael> well I'm not so sure :)
09:34 < soffi> hehehe
09:34 < soffi> so where in the world are you
09:34 < mael> best would be a complete integration of xen features in Linus kernel
09:34 < mael> France
09:34 < soffi> I'd rather have it in the FreeBSD kernel ;)
09:35 -!- unriel is now known as riel
09:35 < riel> morning
09:35 < soffi> morning riel
09:35 < soffi> where the hell are you
09:35 < mael> hi riel 
09:35 < riel> at the office
09:35 < mael> :)
09:35 < soffi> hehe
09:35  * mael guess this was not exactly soffi's question :)
09:36 < soffi> I made a huge sacrifice for Xen
09:36 < soffi> installed Linux on my work desktop
09:36 < riel> the office is in Westford, MA, US ;)
09:36 < riel> home is in Nashua, NH, US
09:36 < soffi> what is MA ? Massachusbla ?
09:36 < riel> yeah
09:36 < soffi> load mod_speling
09:36 < riel> so about 4 hours time difference with Iceland now
09:37 < soffi> cool, I'm going to Boston in june
09:37 < riel> it's not that much of a city
09:38 < soffi> well I'm not staying there for long.. gonna visit my cousin in Rhode Island
09:38 < riel> cool
09:38 < soffi> and Providence is *not* that much of a city ;)
09:38 < mael> riel:  well you're commuting on quite a distance then
09:38  * riel needs to visit family again one of these days
09:39 < riel> mael: not really, both are near the border
09:39 < mael> hehe ok
09:39 < mael> :)
09:39 < riel> mael: about 25 km distance
09:39 < mael> less than me then :\
09:39 < soffi> I only highlight I have from my last trip to boston, was when a cop told me not to smoke outside some mall ;)
09:39 < soffi> s/I/the
09:40 < soffi> "no smoking in a 40 feet radius from the mall"
09:40 < soffi> I haven't laughed that hard since
09:42 < riel> that's Mass alright ;)
09:42 < soffi> hehe
09:42  * riel prefers the "live free or die" state
09:43 < soffi> and what state is that
09:43 < soffi> your state?
09:43 < riel> New Hampshire
09:44 < soffi> I should go there.. they'll probably let me smoke by the bay
09:44 < mael> soffi: you should quit cigarette, that would solve all your problems :)
09:44 < soffi> that's what everyone keeps telling me
09:44 < mael> hehe
09:44 < mael> maybe this is true then :))
09:45 < mael> and I guess this is exactly why you don't quit :)
09:45 < soffi> no.. not resisting what everyone is telling me, I'm simply an addict
09:46 < soffi> mael: so are you punching into OpenOffice ?
09:47 < mael> yep
09:48 < soffi> cool
09:48 < soffi> work is slow today
09:48 < soffi> running out of things to do
09:49 < mael> well I should be working on something else, but it is documentation also and xen doc is more precise in my head
09:49 < soffi> hehe
09:49 < soffi> I should be working on rate-limiting p2p fu**ers
09:50 < mael> I guess you're system and network engineer then?
09:51 < soffi> yeps
09:51 < soffi> I'm primarily a router/network kind of a guy
09:51 < soffi> but at geek as well
09:51 < mael> ok
09:52 < mael> working for a firm or a state/public company?
09:52 < soffi> private isp
09:55 < mael> ok
09:56 < mael> you're more cisco? juniper? foundry?
09:57 < soffi> cisco
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09:57 < soffi> don't know anything else than cisco, and then BSD / Linux networking
09:57 < soffi> have quite a few of them cheap boxes doing stuff
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10:04 < mael> argh
10:05  * mael is really really tired today
10:05 < mael> I closed OOo without saving the work I've done on the document
10:05 < mael> sooo stupid
10:08 < mael> soffi:  I'll work on this later then
10:08 < mael> I can't redo everything now
10:08 < mael> I have to work but I'll make fresh new debian images in the backrounf
10:08 < mael> -f+d
10:08 < mael> +g
10:10 < soffi> allrighty
10:14 < soffi> hehe dilbert is good today
10:19  * mael is crazy enough to build a domU image on a xen host running in a vmware vm 
10:20 < soffi> vmware is cool
10:20 < soffi> for development
10:21 < mael> well, for now this is my only mean to run a windows xp on my work machine
10:21 < mael> I need a windows xp machine to help my clients, but I want a linux system
10:22 < soffi> yeah I have a 3ghz, 2gb RAM machine in the serverroom running vmware for servers.. and it sucks ass
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