--- Day changed --- Log opened Thu Apr 14 23:59:02 2005 00:14 -!- alex234 [new@p548C905E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xen 00:35 -!- alex234 [new@p548C905E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:48 -!- itamarjp [lualele@200-225-242-052-dynamic.idial.com.br] has quit [Quit: ] 03:44 -!- rusty [~rusty@bh02i525f01.au.ibm.com] has joined #xen 04:01 < mael> hi 04:01 < mael> lo rusty 04:02 < mael> rusty: I noted that you're admin for the qemu project on sourceforge 04:03 < mael> how much are you involved in this project? 04:04 -!- rusty [~rusty@bh02i525f01.au.ibm.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:04 < mael> mmh :\ 05:29 -!- athomas [~athomas@ppp-0-159.lond-a-2.access.uk.tiscali.com] has joined #xen 05:36 -!- hebutterworth [~harry@blueice2n1.uk.ibm.com] has joined #xen 06:28 -!- soffi [~soffi@Tolvudeild-SC-gw.vv.simnet.is] has joined #xen 07:23 -!- Beaky [~chatzilla@ncg-adsl.demon.co.uk] has joined #xen 07:28 -!- Arnald [~Arnald@81-86-116-102.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:23 -!- cfreak [cfreak@dsl-084-056-099-120.arcor-ip.net] has joined #xen 08:51 -!- DEac- [~deac@xdsl-195-14-219-5.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:04 -!- DEac- [~deac@xdsl-81-173-136-39.netcologne.de] has joined #xen 09:57 -!- rharper [~rharper@pixpat.austin.ibm.com] has joined #xen 10:02 < soffi> http://freshmeat.net/projects/targetkiller/ 10:02 < soffi> whoops sorry wrong channel dudes 10:05 -!- plars [~plars@pixpat.austin.ibm.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:05 -!- plars [~plars@pixpat.austin.ibm.com] has joined #xen 10:39 -!- hollis [~hollis@pixpat.austin.ibm.com] has joined #xen 10:44 -!- N [~ca4bc809@webuser.thegrebs.com] has quit [Quit: http://thegrebs.com/oftc/] 10:46 -!- Beaky [~chatzilla@ncg-adsl.demon.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:58 -!- matta-lt [~matta@69.93.28.254] has joined #xen 11:17 -!- cdub [~chrisw@cdub.netrep.oftc.net] has joined #xen 11:20 < demon> so does anyone know where xen for x86_64 is at now? 11:20 < demon> I have a spare AMD64 system, and I wanted to try it out 11:21 < cdub> demon: -unstable 11:21 < soffi> hvenær kom fyrsti bíllinn til landsins? 11:22 < demon> ah 11:22 < mael> soffi: wrong channel again? 11:24 < soffi> ohh 11:24 < soffi> yes :( 11:24 < soffi> I'm not used to many channels.. I'm on one channel on ircnet and this channel on oftc 11:25 < soffi> I am a simple boy 11:25 < demon> a simple scandinavian lad? 11:25 < soffi> yup :) 11:26 < soffi> but I don't think scandinavians refer to themselves as lads 11:26 < demon> mmm... gotcha 11:28 -!- HoraPe [~horape@200.69.230.1] has joined #xen 11:34 -!- alex234 [new@p548C905E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xen 11:38 -!- alex234 [new@p548C905E.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #xen [] 11:50 -!- jeroney [~jeroney@pixpat.austin.ibm.com] has joined #xen 11:55 -!- soffi [~soffi@Tolvudeild-SC-gw.vv.simnet.is] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:09 -!- soffi [~soffi@Tolvudeild-SC-gw.vv.simnet.is] has joined #xen 12:13 -!- plars [~plars@pixpat.austin.ibm.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:16 -!- plars [~plars@pixpat.austin.ibm.com] has joined #xen 12:27 < demon> hm... are there any known build issues with the current -unstable tree for x86_64? 12:27 < demon> it's blowing up for me in xc_ptrace.c 12:27 < tab> what's the error ? 12:31 < demon> where's a good web based pasteboard? there's a fair amount of it... 12:31 < eigood> xrl.us 12:31 < tab> demon: copy paste first error 12:31 < demon> In file included from /usr/include/asm/processor.h:13, 12:31 < demon> from /usr/include/asm/elf.h:10, 12:31 < demon> from xc_ptrace.c:4: 12:32 < demon> /usr/include/asm/sigcontext.h:9: error: redefinition of `struct _fpstate' 12:32 < demon> /usr/include/asm/sigcontext.h:23: error: redefinition of `struct sigcontext' 12:32 -!- athomas [~athomas@ppp-0-159.lond-a-2.access.uk.tiscali.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:33 < eigood> it should show where the first definition is 12:33 < demon> http://pastebin.com/271654 12:33 < demon> that's the full error output... though for some reason it stuck around it 12:33 < demon> just ignore that part 12:34 < demon> unless... do I need to be using GCC 4?? 12:35 < tab> I don't think so 12:35 < demon> debian includes 3.3.5 as the default... I can get 3.4.something packages if needed 12:36 < tab> no 3.3.5 is probably fine 12:45 < cdub> demon: builds fine here, but iirc debian handles x86_64 differently from the rest? 12:46 * riel bk pulls and wedges the linux-2.6.11-xen.patch into rawhide 12:46 < demon> cdub: "differently" how? 12:47 < cdub> demon: esp. w.r.t. 32-bit vs. 64-bit support 12:47 < riel> debian doesn't have multi-arch libs, IIRC 12:47 < demon> nope 12:47 < riel> they have their 64 bit libraries in /lib, not /lib64 12:47 < riel> (last I heard - they may have come around ...) 12:47 < demon> well, that shouldn't matter for the purposes of native builds of xen tools 12:48 < demon> right? 12:48 < cdub> which means the headers may look different too? the asm/ stuff is typically a pointer to 32 or 64 bit header 12:48 < cdub> demon: yes, but perhaps headers aren't fully sanitized? (random conjecture ;-) 12:49 < demon> dunno... I've not messed much with linux on x86_64 as yet... just on i386 and ppc 12:51 < eigood> doing multiarch has issues 12:51 < eigood> we are doing it with chroots 12:52 < eigood> but I don't know much about it, so don't ask me for details 12:52 < cdub> heh 12:53 < tab> riel: still true 12:53 < tab> riel: /lib64 is a symlink to /lib 12:53 < cdub> demon: does it help to use linux/elf.h instead of raw asm/elf.h? (in xc_ptrace.c includes) 13:01 < demon> cdub: same errors 13:02 < demon> linux/elf.h just gets added to the inclusion stack, that's the only difference 13:06 < cdub> demon: heh 13:08 -!- hbaum [~hbaum@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com] has joined #xen 13:12 < cdub> demon: yeah, asm/processor.h is dropped in the userspace version of that header on this distro. looks a bit like a distro problem to me... 13:13 < cdub> demon: does adding #define __ASM_X86_64_PROCESSOR_H (or whatever your header is using) to xc_ptrace.c before it sucks in asm/elf.h help? (yeah, just a hacky workaround) 13:18 -!- Arnald [~Arnald@81-86-116-102.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #xen 13:30 -!- itamarjp [lualele@200-225-242-013-dynamic.idial.com.br] has joined #xen 13:54 -!- cfreak [cfreak@dsl-084-056-099-120.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:55 < itamarjp> how to use a virtual cc on paypal ? 13:56 < eigood> this relates to xen how? 13:57 < hena> virtual monitor, virtual cc 13:58 < itamarjp> hehehehe 13:58 < itamarjp> :-) 13:59 -!- cfreak [cfreak@dsl-084-056-099-120.arcor-ip.net] has joined #xen 14:11 -!- niv [~nivedita@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com] has joined #xen 14:20 -!- yarihm [~yarihm@80-218-3-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #xen 14:20 < yarihm> hi everyone 14:21 < itamarjp> hi 14:21 < yarihm> is there a way to prevent xen from rebooting within 5 seconds if there is something going wrong at boot? i can hardly read the errormsg 14:21 < yarihm> it says something about CPU0 which turned into toast ... 14:22 < tab> you have to read faster :-) 14:22 < yarihm> grmbl ... 14:22 < yarihm> :) it seems to be netbsd's fault from what i can tell 14:22 < tab> but you probably can configure that in the code 14:23 < yarihm> tab: yes ... 14:23 < yarihm> OTOH i'm not that keen on grepping and reading all the code just to figure out where these 5 seconds are hardcoded, i'll read faster ,) 14:24 < yarihm> is anyone using NetBSD in domain0 anyway? 14:26 < rharper> yarihm: try adding 'noreboot' to the bootloader option 14:26 < yarihm> rharper: ah, great, thanks 14:26 < rharper> yarihm: you are welcome 14:28 < yarihm> rharper: as a parameter to the xen-kernel i guess: kernel (hd0,a)/xen.gz dom0_mem=65536 noreboot (for grub)? 14:28 < rharper> yes, grub boots xen, which will boot dom0 14:29 < rharper> that looks right 14:29 < yarihm> yep, got that ... i asked because there is this module-line so the dom0-kernel isn't passed as an bootloader option in that way 14:30 < rharper> ok 14:30 < yarihm> hmkay, now i replaced my dom0-netbsd-kernel and put that option, now the problem is gone anyway :) 14:30 < yarihm> hah, my first boot into xen ... i have no clue what's next ... pressing ctrl-a three times is suggested here ... 14:31 < yarihm> ok, that doesn't work ... 14:31 < rharper> not knowing anything about netbsd dom0, with Linux, xen boots dom0, and dom0 looks just like booting baremetal kernel... 14:32 < yarihm> rharper: yeah, seems the like ... network-wise everything is fine ... 14:32 < rharper> cool 14:32 < yarihm> rharper: do you have to do something special in order to have the dom0 kernel appear on the terminal? 14:33 < yarihm> or does it do that by default? 14:33 < yarihm> i would not be surprised if netbsd would go to serial console per default ... :-\ 14:33 < rharper> I dont think so, lemme check my grub conf 14:34 < rharper> I put console=tty0 on my dom0 bootloader line 14:34 < rharper> module /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11-xen0 root=/dev/sda2 ro console=tty0 14:35 < yarihm> hmm ... ttyS0 is probably the serial-line i guess ... i screwed up again :) 14:36 < rharper> ttyS0 is serial in Linux 14:36 < yarihm> hmm ... the bastard won't reboot from command line he says ... brb, gotta run into the server-room 14:37 < yarihm> maybe that's because noreboot? 14:37 < rharper> could be, never booted with noreboot 14:37 < rharper> sounds likely 14:38 < rharper> from the code: opt_noreboot: If true, machine will need manual reset on error. 14:38 < yarihm> yeah, doesn't it? :) noreboot will probably result in not rebooting 14:38 < rharper> nothing like getting what you asked for =) 14:38 < yarihm> yes! 14:39 < yarihm> and tadaaa! it reboots :) 14:43 < yarihm> rharper: how does xen with linux handle this: IIRC the system here has 512MB swap-space, i passed dom0_mem=65535 and now it shows only 128MB swap ... 14:48 < rharper> well, swap and dom0_mem are differing things 14:48 < rharper> swap is usually a physical partition or file , dom0_mem is the amount of RAM you want your domain to have 14:49 * riel bets his new xen rpm won't run 14:49 < riel> getting it to compile this time around was just _too_ easy 14:49 < riel> there must be a catch 14:49 < rharper> your swap space shouldnt change from your non-xen configuration if it was a physical device , like /dev/hdb, or a file 14:51 < rharper> riel: heh 14:51 * riel is happy for serial console and remote power switch ;) 14:51 < riel> once the kernel rpms are compiled, I can test it 14:52 < rharper> oo, we need one of those programmable power switches for the lab 14:53 < hollis> yes we do 14:53 * riel can reboot his test systems from home, and play with the boot loader 14:54 < rharper> yeah, I've got the serial con, and a wrapper to auto-gen a new grub.conf that can do that, but if xen gets into that manual reset state, Im toast 15:00 < plars> rharper: if you have serial console, you can control grub through it 15:01 < HoraPe> plars: but you cannot reset the box 15:01 < plars> HoraPe: depends on the box :) 15:02 < rharper> plars: interesting, didnt know grub would display menu to serial, you have the fu to do that somewhere? 15:04 < plars> rharper: yup 15:04 < plars> I'll send it to you 15:05 < rharper> plars: sweet,thanks 15:08 < jeroney> rharper: when I was working on blade machines, I had grub running through serial connection ... it's very nice 15:10 < rharper> jeroney: Im looking forward to that (grub over serial) 15:10 < jeroney> rharper: but to reset the machine ... I used the blade management console 15:10 < plars> jeroney: the blades are even easier, you don't even need to do anything in grub to make that work 15:11 < jeroney> plars: I had to set it up to use the serial ...so I could see it over SOL 15:11 < jeroney> plars: isn't there a way to see standard vga output on the blades ? 15:11 < plars> in cmos, but you shouldn't have to do anything in grub 15:11 < plars> jeroney: I think so, through the web asm 15:12 < plars> I haven't tried it 15:12 < plars> I'd rather just use vnc probably 15:12 < plars> if I just *had* to have a graphical console on it for whatever reason 15:13 < yarihm> cu guys, thanks rharper for the help ... 15:13 -!- yarihm [~yarihm@80-218-3-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:20 -!- tierra [~tierra@dsl093-225-126.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #xen 15:32 -!- jeroney [~jeroney@pixpat.austin.ibm.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:53 < niv> plars: could you send me the magic frufru too, to get grub info? 15:54 < hollis> come on guys :) 15:54 < hollis> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Serial-terminal.html#Serial%20terminal 16:05 < niv> hollis: you are much too wellinformed ;), thanks! 16:07 < niv> hollis: hmm, that's all on that? i have that but it still doesn't work 16:08 < hollis> do you have a graphical splashscreen by any chance? I think that can interfere 16:09 < niv> yeah, maybe i should disable that 16:10 < riel> *sigh* 16:11 < riel> it hangs after "Switching to new root" 16:11 * riel knew it was too easy 16:12 -!- jeroney [~jeroney@adsl-66-143-177-18.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #xen 16:14 < plars> niv: yeah, the graphical menu will make it not work, comment that out 16:14 < plars> sorry, was afk 16:14 -!- DEac- [~deac@xdsl-81-173-136-39.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:14 < niv> plars: yep, think that was the issue.. 16:20 -!- DEac- [~deac@xdsl-195-14-218-214.netcologne.de] has joined #xen 16:27 < niv> does anybody have the oprofile stuff working on unstable? 16:32 < jeroney> niv: I don't really think anyone has tried it out 16:37 < rharper> andrew did, he ported it to unstable, but had trouble, he mailed xen-devel 17:01 -!- Ambroos [~Ambroos@d51A448AA.access.telenet.be] has joined #xen 17:03 -!- Ambroos [~Ambroos@d51A448AA.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ] 17:13 -!- Fennario [~Fennario@tm.82.192.39.129.dc.telemach.net] has joined #xen 17:17 -!- hetz [~ppp@HFA62-0-188-162.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #xen 17:18 < hetz> hi people 17:18 < hetz> I'm looking for a VPS provider who sells Xen hosting with a very fast connection and good prices. Any recommendations? 17:19 < niv> rharper: yep, Andrew's port isn't working right now, wondering if anyone had gotten it work successfully yet 17:20 < rharper> niv: ok 17:22 < hollis> hetz: why do you want xen hosting? 17:23 < hetz> hollis Xen based hosting - a virtual machine 17:23 < hollis> why? 17:23 < hetz> cause I cannot afford a real machine hosting 17:24 < jeroney> hetz there is a place that does UML based hosting 17:24 < jeroney> UML = user mode Linux 17:24 < hetz> yes, I'm using Linode already 17:25 < jeroney> I don't nesscarily know if someone hosting using Xen whould be any cheaper 17:25 < jeroney> for you at least 17:26 < jeroney> maybe for them 17:26 < hetz> well, I found unixshell.com services 17:26 -!- Fennario is now known as FennAway 17:26 < hetz> but I found that they're not very professional 17:26 < eigood> we haven't finished our service rollout yet 17:27 < hetz> eigood - URL? 17:27 < eigood> as I said, not finished yet 17:28 < hetz> hmm, have u decided on pricing already? 17:28 < eigood> yes, but don't want to say it 17:29 < eigood> it's cheap, but until we finalize the things we are offering, don't want to announce it 17:29 < hetz> eigood, can we talk privately please? 17:30 < hetz> (and no, I'm not going to convince you to reveal prices ;) 17:31 < eigood> if you want 17:33 < tierra> hetz, you know Linode has been testing Xen for the past couple weeks and might be planning on moving everyone over to Xen hosts in another couple months right? 17:34 < hetz> tierra - I know that 17:34 < itamarjp> Checking check_twisted 17:34 < itamarjp> ********************************************************************** 17:34 < itamarjp> *** The Twisted framework is not installed. 17:34 < itamarjp> *** Use 'make install-twisted' at the xen root to install. 17:34 < itamarjp> *** 17:34 < itamarjp> *** Alternatively download and install version 1.3 or higher 17:34 < itamarjp> *** from http://www.twistedmatrix.com/products 17:34 < itamarjp> ********************************************************************** 17:34 < itamarjp> FAILED 17:34 < hetz> my problem is - their price 17:34 < itamarjp> how to install Twisted ? 17:35 < tierra> hetz, ok, just checking 17:35 < eigood> itamarjp: er, read what you pasted 17:35 < itamarjp> I don´t find the file to download at twiestedmatrix.com 17:36 < eigood> it's available in debian, so it's easier there 17:38 < itamarjp> I am using redhat 17:38 < eigood> rpmfind.net? 17:38 * eigood pokes hetz 17:41 < hetz> itamarjp - you need this: http://twistedmatrix.com/products/get-current.epy?type=tar.bz2 17:41 < hetz> untar, and follow the instructions 17:42 < hetz> eigood - so when do u plan to roll out Xen services? any ETA? 17:42 < eigood> well, it requires deploying a second fileserver(got the hardware, will probably deploy today), getting a gigE switch, and a few more xen nodes 17:43 < eigood> the 2 existing xen nodes we have(which we've been using to test the system out) are getting near full(p4 machines with 4g ram each) 17:47 < hetz> oh, so it's a tiny shop, right? :) 17:52 < eigood> we've sold a few instances already, so we are deploying live sites 17:52 < eigood> but yes, small right now 17:53 -!- FennAway is now known as FennZzZz 17:54 -!- hetz [~ppp@HFA62-0-188-162.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Quit: ] 17:58 -!- lilo [~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: bbiab] 18:03 -!- cfreak [cfreak@dsl-084-056-099-120.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: .] 18:11 -!- rharper [~rharper@pixpat.austin.ibm.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:18 < itamarjp> I am installing twisted using make install-twisted 18:24 -!- hollis [~hollis@pixpat.austin.ibm.com] has quit [Quit: later] 18:42 -!- drbyte [~byte@c210-49-121-44.eburwd3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:49 -!- matta-lt [~matta@69.93.28.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:54 -!- drbyte [~byte@c210-49-121-44.eburwd3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xen 18:54 -!- FennZzZz is now known as Fennario 19:13 -!- hbaum [~hbaum@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 19:29 -!- Fennario is now known as FennZzZz 19:40 -!- Bluefox [~bluefox@pcp484971pcs.whtmrs01.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:53 -!- Bluefox [~bluefox@pcp484971pcs.whtmrs01.md.comcast.net] has joined #xen 19:53 -!- tierra [~tierra@dsl093-225-126.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Quit: Everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die.] 19:56 -!- tierra [~tierra@dsl093-225-126.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #xen 20:32 -!- niv [~nivedita@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 20:57 -!- Dougie [~Doug@shade.idmf.net] has joined #xen 21:18 -!- itamarjp [lualele@200-225-242-013-dynamic.idial.com.br] has quit [Quit: ] 22:16 -!- Arnald [~Arnald@81-86-116-102.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17 -!- Arnald [~Arnald@81-86-116-102.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #xen 22:56 -!- tierra [~tierra@dsl093-225-126.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Quit: Everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die.] 23:25 -!- nextime_ [~nextime@213-140-6-96.fastres.net] has joined #xen 23:32 -!- nextime [~nextime@213-140-22-64.fastres.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] --- Log closed Fri Apr 15 23:59:00 2005