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00:37 < dash> Hi. If I upgrade from 2.0.4 to unstable, do i need to recompile my linux kernels?
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12:28 < knewt> dash: yes, as well xen itself and (almost certainly) the tools. in fact, if you move to -unstable, then every time you grab a newer version and want to try it out you should rebuild everything
12:28 < knewt> s/\(almost certainly\) //
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13:25 < dash> knewt: yes, i have discovered that now :)
13:25 < dash> I am trying to locate the memory leaks in xend and see if they can be fixed
13:26 < dash> perhaps just upgrading to twisted 2.0 will fix it, we have improved several bits since 1.3
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14:43 < eigood> dash: are you aware that xen is moving to a c toolset?
15:01 < dash> eigood: i was aware that a c toolset was being developed
15:01 < dash> I was not aware that xend was being dropped
15:10 < dash> what's the rationale for that?
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15:15 < riel> dash: twisted, mostly ;)
15:15 < eigood> that it's python too
15:16 < eigood> dom0 could be much smaller if python weren't around
15:16 < eigood> think about having all of dom0 in a single initrd
15:16 < eigood> ideally, a single central server would talk to multiple remote dom0 nodes, and manage them centrally
15:20 < dash> right, i understand that being a reason for developing a smaller C toolkit
15:21 < eigood> I don't know the time scale for this, however
15:21 < eigood> and if there are bugs in twisted, they might as well be fixed, as it'll help everyone, not just xen
15:21 < dash> but my understanding was that xend was going to be retained for installations that wanted the features and could afford the resources
15:21 < eigood> why maintain 2 codebases?
15:21 < dash> because python is easier :)
15:22  * riel brings up the ecartis code as evidence that C can be easier ;)
15:22 < dash> hmm?
15:22 < eigood> nono
15:23 < eigood> procmail is the best example of a surpremely written c program I have ever seen
15:23  * dash giggles
15:23 < riel> ewwww yuck
15:23 < eigood> you guys don't have to deal with diziet code
15:23  * riel was serious about the code in the ecartis modules - it may be C, but it's actually very easy to follow even though it's processing email
15:24 < eigood> dpkg:  sh -> perl4 -> c; dselect: perl4 -> c++
15:24 < eigood> you do *not* want to see what this c looks like.
15:27 < dash> hehe
15:28 < dash> anyway i would really love a nicely written python xend, since I am already running python in my dom0 for other things
15:28 < dash> the current one looks like it really wants to be java, though
15:28 < eigood> previous versions were java
15:29 < dash> ah.
15:29 < dash> that may be a factor, then
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16:00 < anticw> eigood: your joking right?  i was fixing procmail bugs the other day and i would claim it's some of the worst code if ever had to deal with
16:00 < anticw> nick cw
16:00 < anticw> eigood: procmail is very useful and does a pretty good job --- but the code is terrible
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