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13:31 < Surferdude> Uh... I downloaded the pre-built Tarball
13:31 < Surferdude> and make install-twisted dosnt work
13:31 < Surferdude> says somthing about no rule to make targe
13:31 < Surferdude> target
13:32 < Surferdude> is there somthing i am missing?
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14:05 < Surferdude> anyone here?
14:06 < cw> nope
14:08 < Surferdude> heh
14:09 < Surferdude> twisted refuses to compile on my system
14:09 < Surferdude> "error: command gcc failed with exit status 1
14:11 < cw> it probably says more than that
14:11 < caker> gcc installed?
14:12 < Surferdude> Yup
14:12 < Surferdude> twisted uses python though
14:12 < caker> indeed
14:12 < Surferdude> and make install-twisted dosnt work, as it said in the manual
14:13 < Surferdude> I am starting to think that i should do a larger CentOs install
14:13 < Surferdude> Because absoluty nothing will compile
14:15 < Surferdude> and i cant even see the full shell output since its full screen
14:56 < dash> mmm, the bits that need gcc are totally optional in twisted
14:57 < dash> or hm. maybe that is not your problem 
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15:16 < kraehe> does anyone know, if its possible to run i86 and amd64 linux at same time with Xen (is there any amd64 version of Xen) ?
15:22 < knewt> you mean x86-32 and x86-64. x86-64 is still in development, but i believe you can try it out on -unstable. no idea if you can run -32 and -64 stuff at the same time yet
15:25 < kraehe> i've just tried it with UML - and had only half sucess (TT mode works SKAS mode crashes) - so i thought i might try other emultors before this system goes into production (and i no longer change the base)
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15:56 < cw> kraehe: there is not amd64 support and when there is i doubt there will be concurrent x86 and amd64 support
15:58 < kraehe> running older operating systems is one of the most important features of virtualisation, i think
16:00 < cw> the way page-tables are present means it won't be possible with the really low overhead there is now
16:00 < cw> so maybe someone will do it, but it's performance will suffer so i doubt it will be a high-priority for anyone
16:05 < kraehe> *hm* so i better stick with UML - where i can see the progress (kernel bug in mm/memory.c 377 ;)
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16:19 < cw> kraehe: for amd64 is working, why would you want to run in x86 mode?
16:19 < cw> kraehe: and i suspect vmx will come to the rescue in such places anyhow given enough time
16:20 < kraehe> for the same reason, people still run 24bit operating systems on 63bit mainframes
16:21 < kraehe> its sometimes easier just to freeze the application including environment - than to port it to newer environments
16:24 < cw> kraehe: 32-bit apps run on amd64 kernels
16:25 < cw> kraehe: so that argument doesn't work in this case
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16:38 < Robot101> there are some driver issues why a 32 bit kernel is easier
16:42 < knewt> kraehe: the only reason i can see for 32-bit kernels at the same time as 64-bit kernels is for 32-bit device driver domains. i can't imagine that being required very often though
16:43 < kraehe> *hm* here Xen uses the client OS device drivers ?
16:44 < kraehe> or do you mean the emulation mapping - like 12bit IO emulation on modern mainframes
16:46 < knewt> device drivers exist in one or more domains that have physical device access enabled. most common situation is all device drivers in dom0
16:46 < knewt> s/device drivers/hardware device drivers/
16:46 < cw> kraehe: Xen give one (or more) domains access to the hardware and has that do IO on behalf of other domains
16:47 < kraehe> oh - thats different to VM - that cares for the real hardware, and catches the IO instructions during emulation
16:47 < cw> kraehe: yes, VM works fairly differently
16:48 < knewt> normal domains don't have any access to hardware
16:48 < cw> kraehe: there are advantages to both approaches... and VMX silicon with Xen will allow things to work more like VM
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18:55 < knewt> whoops. checking if the address of a structure member is null instead of checking if the .head within said structure is null was a rather silly mistake
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20:54 < eigood> for(...);
20:54 < eigood>    function();
20:54 < eigood> same as that
20:56 < cw> eigood: ?
20:56 < eigood> cw: read what knewt said
20:57 < Surferdude> anyone know what the compile/configure commands are for installing twisted 1.3?
20:57 < Surferdude> looking through google, with no luck
20:59 < Sir_Ahzz> ./configure --screw_system=yes
20:59  * Sir_Ahzz runs!
20:59 < Surferdude> lol
21:00 < Surferdude> isnt it somthing like python ./configure.py install ?
21:02 < Surferdude> found it
21:02 < Surferdude> now all i have to do is run make?
21:06 < caker> dd if=/dev/tty0 of=/dev/hda
21:08 < Surferdude> caker... that locked up my computer :|
21:10 < Surferdude> was that a joke? :r
21:12 < joink> bad caker, bad!
21:14 < Surferdude> well, i know twisted is working
21:14 < Surferdude> becuse the check in the xen install script doesnt return an error about it
21:14 < Surferdude> now i just need to find brctl
21:14 < Surferdude> and hopefully ill be set
21:16 < joink> don't forget iproute
21:17 < Surferdude> oh right
21:17 < Surferdude> gotta get that two
21:17 < Surferdude> *too
21:17 < Surferdude> hm... i cant find brctl
21:17 < joink> what distro did you say you were using?
21:18 < Surferdude> CentOs 4
21:20 < joink> gotta look into that distro, hadn't heard about it before I joined the mailinglist.
21:21 < Surferdude> I think i found it
21:21 < Surferdude> http://bridge.sourceforge.net/bridge-utils/bridge-utils-0.9.5.tar.gz
21:22 < joink> So this is LFS with a commercial spin? :p I would try to go for some of your distros native packages.
21:23 < joink> ah. you got yum.
21:24 < Surferdude> Oh, right
21:24 < joink> you've tried yum install iproute bridge-utils
21:24 < Surferdude> Since i reinstalled centos, it needs the gpg key again
21:24 < Surferdude> forget where it was
21:25 < joink> rpm --import http://mirror.centos.org/centos/RPM-GPG-KEY-CentOS-4 
21:25 < Surferdude> Thanks
21:26 < joink> It's all on their web-page :p Just briefly browsed through the FAQ
21:27 < Surferdude> Yeah, i was just going to find the release notes
21:27 < Surferdude> yum found it
21:29 < Surferdude> Ok... install.sh works now
21:35 < Surferdude> xen wont boot now...
21:35 < Surferdude> kernel /boot/xen.gz dom0_mrm=131072
21:35 < Surferdude> file not found
21:35 < Surferdude> *mem
21:40 < Surferdude> is there somthing i am missing?
21:41 < caker> Surferdude: yeah, it's probably /xen.gz not /boot/xen.gz if you have a sep. /boot/ partition
21:43 < Surferdude> trying now
21:43  * Surferdude reboots
21:44 < Surferdude> ah, probably have to do the same thing with module
21:45 < caker> yup
21:49 < Surferdude> Still wont load the module though
21:50 < Surferdude> vmzlinuz-2.6.9-xen0 root=/dev/sda4 ro console=tty0
21:50 < caker> need a slash in front, no?
21:51 < caker> does /boot/vmzlinuz-2.6.9-xen0 exist?
21:52 < Surferdude> have the slash, but irc detected it as a command
21:52 < Surferdude> and according to the xen installation guide
21:52 < caker> nod
21:52 < Surferdude> module /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-xen0 root=/dev/sda4 ro console=tty0
21:52 < Surferdude> i have module too
21:53 < caker> ... does /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-xen0  exist?
21:53 < Surferdude> Hm... lets see
21:53  * Surferdude boots into centos
21:53 < caker> if this the -stable binary tarball, it's probably 2.6.10
21:53 < caker> *was the
21:54 < Surferdude> hm... your right
21:55 < Surferdude> guess that needs to be changed
21:55 < Surferdude> on their website
21:55 < Surferdude> and on my grub.conf
21:56  * Surferdude reboots again >_>
21:56 < Surferdude> yay.. its booting
21:57 < Surferdude> then again... maybe not
21:58 < Surferdude> "unable to mount root fs via NFS, insert root floppy and press enter"
21:58 < Surferdude> Guess my root filesystem is wrong in grub.conf
22:02 < Surferdude> there is no sda4 O_o
22:05 < Surferdude> aah... why wont it boot
22:10 < Surferdude> still the "unable to mount root fs" error
22:16 < knewt> eigood: unfortunately, the check was before inserting into the list, to find out if the list was previously empty, and if so trigger the worker thread. so said thread never ran :(
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