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07:02 < yarihm> hey everyone ... does anyone know whether there are known issues with xen and raidframe on netbsd?
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11:56 < aliguori> anyone running today's xen-unstable?  my system is going nuts
11:57 < rharper> aliguori: yeah, working fine here 
11:57 < aliguori> time's going backwards
11:57 < rharper> none of that here
11:57 < aliguori> rharper: come check this out
11:57 < rharper> k
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11:57 < hollis> is it like Memento?
12:02 < rharper> heh
12:03 < hebutterworth> aliguori, that will help with the schedule
12:03 < aliguori> hebutterworth: :-)
12:04 < aliguori> yeah, i've got a copy of bk from yesterday.. hoping it goes away after upgrading to today's copy
12:04 < aliguori> this is with a brand new fedora core 3 image too...
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12:47 < matta> riel: is it recommended to not run the FC4 1268 xen0 kernel?
12:48 < riel> matta: indeed ;)
12:48 < riel> matta: I'm fixing things up as we speak
12:48 < riel> that kernel can't create domUs
12:48 < soffi> ahhh
12:48 < soffi> I thought I had buggy hardware because xm create always hung the machine
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12:49 < sleon> hi
12:49 < riel> it didn't hang the machine here
12:49 < sleon> when i start xend i get
12:49 < riel> it just oopsed
12:49 < sleon> ImportError: No module named twisted.internet
12:49 < sleon> why ?
12:49 < sleon> do i need somthing?
12:49 < riel> sleon: because you don't have python-twisted installed
12:49 < sleon> thx
12:50  * riel just rebuilt a kernel with Keir's patch
12:51 < riel> I'm about to test it
12:51 < sleon> riel, what is it for a patch?
12:51 < riel> (had to fix a few other things too - vdso related)
12:51 < sleon> riel, is it for nvidia driver to work??
12:51 < sleon>  :D
12:51 < riel> sleon: nvidia can't go out of business soon enough ;)
12:51 < sleon> :)))
12:52 < sleon> do you know what to do , to make nvidia driver to work with xen?
12:52 < riel> yeah, first you get the source code
12:52 < sleon> hehehhehe
12:52 < riel> then you port it to run in domain 0
12:52 < sleon> hrhrhr
12:52 < sleon> ver yfunny
12:52 < mael> very true indeed
12:52 < riel> it's also true
12:53 < mael> or you can wait and buy a VT proc when they'll be ready
12:53 < riel> mael: that's not going to help you with the nvidia driver in dom0
12:53 < sleon> what is vt proc?
12:54 < mael> riel:  right but you might be able to run it in a virtualized domU, no?
12:54 < mael> or will they need to virtualize the hardware also?
12:54 < riel> if you want to emulate an nvidia video card in software, sure
12:54 < aliguori> which would be more difficult than just rewriting the driver itself :-)
12:55 < mael> I thought they planned to allow a kind of direct access for hardware in the VT/pacifica situations
12:55 < riel> mael: direct access to PCI and PCI-E devices, yes
12:55 < riel> mael: but you can't be allowed to control the agpgart ...
12:55 < mael> argh
12:55 < soffi> what's the deal with everyone wanting nvidia to work in dom0 ? :)
12:55 < mael> I missed this point
12:56 < riel> soffi: beats me, I don't care about nvidia
12:56 < Sir_Ahzz> no idea. 
12:56 < mael> hehe
12:56 < soffi> I don't care about graphics period... headless servers miles away
12:57 < mael> riel:  If I get right, then it won't be possible to virtualise agp hardware using VT?
12:57 < riel> excellent, Keir's patch works ;)
12:57 < mael> even for a windows domU?
12:58 < riel> you could virtualise it
12:59 < riel> but it would be complex software
12:59 < soffi> Windows
12:59 < soffi> hehehehehehe
12:59 < mael> mmh ok
12:59 < mael> then I must have understood Keir wrongly when I meet him last friday
12:59 < matta> riel: hrm, so it can start domU's now?
13:00 < riel> matta: what I just committed to cvs, yes
13:00 < matta> riel: how soon until this "fixed" version makes tot the RPM's
13:00 < riel> just need to build the rpm now
13:00 < matta> ?
13:00 < matta> ok, that answers that
13:00 < riel> matta: tonight, unless test 3 already froze in which case we're out of luck
13:00 < matta> i'm in process of doing my weekly yum upgrade on the FC4 server
13:01 < matta> well, nothing would stop you from putting the dom0/domU/xen RPM's in your personal space, right?
13:02 < riel> true
13:02 < riel> if I miss FC4 test3, I'll just put the RPMs on my people.redhat.com page
13:02 < matta> ok
13:08 < soffi> "Xen creates a new architecture and you can run Windows," he said. "It has nice features like being able to take a virtual host and move it to another machine while it's running."
13:09 < soffi> says some Jonathan Corbet about 2.6.12
13:09 < matta> soffi: where is this?
13:09 < matta> hrm...
13:09 < matta> on kerneltalk?
13:09 < matta> or whatever that site is...
13:09 < soffi> http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;669959914;fp;16;fpid;0
13:10 < hollis> probably a standard journalist misquote
13:11 < matta> yeah
13:11 < yosh> hm, are there known issues with 2.0.5 and initrd?
13:11  * riel kicks off a build
13:11 < soffi> damn you gotta love renumbering and changing subnets
13:13 < matta> he might have stated 2.6.12 will include xen and xen will eventually support VT which will allow windows to run
13:13 < murb> soffi: vi /etc/radvd.conf ;  kill -HUP `cat /var/run/radvd.pid` # ?
13:13 < matta> and then Rodney Gedda went and f'ed that up
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13:13 < soffi> murb: nahh
13:14 < soffi> renumbering some servers and moving them
13:14 < soffi> ugh
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13:41 < aliguori> so does keir's patch need to be applied to be able to build domUs?
13:43 < riel> aliguori: yes
13:43 < aliguori> damn.
13:43 < riel> (unless you're following the head of tree, in which case you may have other fun bugs to run into)
13:43 < riel> Keir committed the patch this morning
13:43 < aliguori> ok
13:43 < riel> so probably after the nightly snapshot was taken
13:43 < aliguori> well then i have it
13:44 < aliguori> i just grabbed bk a hour ago
13:44 < aliguori> so
13:44 < riel> yeah, then you have it ;)
13:44 < aliguori> i'm getting an EINVAL when building a domain
13:44 < riel> I grabbed just the patch, because I want a working FC4 test3 without surprises ;)
13:44 < aliguori> the parameters should be right
13:45 < rharper> aliguori: using vm tools, or xend?  Keir also changed the build domain image last friday, changes the way you build domains, check out xc_domain.c xc_domain_create() 
13:46 < aliguori> rharper: yes, i fixed all of that in vm-tools
13:46 < rharper> k
13:46 < aliguori> :-)
13:46 < rharper> just checking
13:47 < aliguori> i bet i know what it is....
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14:00 < sleon> i get an error
14:00 < sleon>   File "/usr/lib/python/xen/xend/server/SrvServer.py", line 28, in ?
14:00 < sleon>     from twisted.web import server, static
14:00 < sleon> ImportError: No module named web
14:00 < sleon> what to do with it?
14:02 < tab> sleon: do you have all twisted modules ?
14:03 < sleon> all??!
14:03 < sleon> tab, what do you mean with all?
14:03 < sleon> i have Twisted-2.0
14:05 < tab> I'm not sure xend already run on twisted 2
14:05 < tab> anybody knows more than I on the subject ?
14:07 < sleon> i need twisted-web :))
14:09 < jonmason> I am running twisted 1.3.0
14:09 < jonmason> Is anyone successfully running twisted 2.0?
14:11 < sleon> me not
14:11 < sleon> :))
14:11 < sleon> jonmason, it says : some things are depreached
14:12 < jonmason> I don't feel brave enough to try moving up yet
14:15 < sleon> hehe
14:17 < sleon> [root@localhost python-twisted]# xm list
14:17 < sleon> (111, 'Connection refused')
14:17 < sleon> Error: Error connecting to xend, is xend running?
14:17 < sleon> what am i doing wrong?
14:17 < sleon> i did xend start
14:17 < sleon> before it
14:18 < jonmason> sleon: what version of xen are you running?
14:19 < sleon> 2.0
14:19 < sleon> or so
14:19 < sleon> moment
14:19 < sleon> where can i see it?
14:19 < sleon> last source stable from page
14:21 < jonmason> sleon: I don't know
14:21 < jonmason> I don't see it in dmesg or uname
14:21 < jonmason> I am running xen-unstable (a few weeks old)
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14:22 < knewt> is acpi moved into dom0 in -unstable yet?
14:22 < jonmason> rc-status will show you the active apps, look for xend
14:22 < sleon> bye all
14:22 < jonmason> knewt: no idea
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14:23 < jonmason> I am working on something else ;-)
14:24 < knewt> i'd love to get xen onto my laptop :)
14:25 < jonmason> knewt: why can't you?
14:27 < knewt> well, i haven't tried it yet but i'd imagine the current acpi support in xen itself isn't enough. without acpi in linux my screen forceable drops in brightness once 50% battery is reached
14:27 < knewt> s/forceable/forceably/
14:30 < knewt> also, i really rather like being able to keep an eye on the temperature of the system
14:31 < jonmason> ah, you are no fun
14:31 < knewt> and i /know/ that that isn't visible without the acpi into dom0. i can just about live without it on my servers
14:31 < murb> knewt: doesn't the SMBus stuff work in dom0?
14:31 < jonmason> I think someone is working on ACPI, so lets hope it'll be there soon
14:33 < knewt> murb: no idea what that is tbh. i just read the contents of "/proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature"
14:35 < murb> Oh, i'm deploying a new Intel 1U box tomorrow, which has a 6300ESB SMBus Controller, I'm also wonding if a) the TCO stuff works in dom0, and b) if it would be worth while.
14:36 < knewt> it'll be nice to get it on the servers as well, after losing a processor when it's fan stopped working. although i /think/ the bios shutdown feature would still have worked.... if i'd ever re-enabled it after my cmos settings got lost one day :/
14:43 < demon> it seems the definitions of some structs (struct _fpstate and struct sigcontext) differ betweem /usr/include/bits/sigcontext.h and /usr/include/asm/signcontext.h on x86_64....
14:43 < demon> anyone have any thoughts on how that could be fixed?
14:43 < demon> (er... sigcontext.h even)
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16:19 < aliguori> demon: where is this creating a problem?
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16:56 < demon> aliguori: trying to build the Xen tools on Debian for x86_64
16:57 < aliguori> ohhh
16:57 < aliguori> :-)
16:58 < riel> ok, so I can forget about x86_64 xenolinux ? ;)
16:58 < riel> arch/xen/x86_64/kernel/entry.S: Assembler messages:
16:58 < riel> arch/xen/x86_64/kernel/entry.S:251: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `movq'arch/xen/x86_64/kernel/entry.S:251: Error: Incorrect register `%ebp' used with `q' suffix
16:58 < riel> arch/xen/x86_64/kernel/entry.S:251: Error: Incorrect register `%r11' used with `l' suffix
17:01 < rharper> jeroney: you've got x86_64 to compile, no? 
17:04 < jeroney> jeroney: yeah compiling
17:05 < demon> what distro were you using?
17:05 < jeroney> ebp should be used with movl
17:05 < aliguori> riel: what is that from?
17:05 < riel> aliguori: trying to compile x86_64 xenolinux
17:05 < aliguori> riel: yeah, but from when?
17:05 < jeroney> r11 moved with movq
17:05 < jeroney> is this from today riel?
17:05 < riel> yesterday
17:06 < demon> I tried using todays bk
17:06 < jeroney> hmm...I think the version on my machine now is from yesterday
17:06 < demon> and it blows up building the tools, and building the hyperkernel
17:06 < jeroney> but if you are seeing that error then the change must have happended after I grabbed mine...looking now
17:06 < demon> haven't even gotten to trying to build the xenolinux kernel yet
17:09 < aliguori> riel: i have today's snapshot and I don't see how you can be getting that error.  there's no movq on 251
17:10 < aliguori> demon: what version of gcc?
17:10 < demon> debian's packaged 3.3.5
17:10 < demon> gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8)
17:10 < riel> aliguori: nor is there on yesterday's package ;)
17:13 < aliguori> very odd
17:15 < aliguori> riel: yesterday's bk is pretty broken.. i don't think that's the problem but just fyi
17:15 < aliguori> a ton of people here are having problems with it
17:15 < aliguori> and by ton, i mean 3-4 :-)
17:15 < rharper> heh
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17:31 < riel> aliguori: hey, that's almost everybody ;)
17:31 < aliguori> riel: here it basically is :-)  i think there's 7 of us here in austin
17:32 < riel> all trying x86_64 ?
17:33 < aliguori> no
17:33 < aliguori> jeroney is the lucky x86_64 man.. xen (in general) seems to be hosed yesterday
17:34 < riel> seems to work fine with Keir's patch
17:34 < aliguori> yeah
17:34 < riel> in fact, that's what's going into FC4 test 3 ;)
17:34 < aliguori> oh, that's right, that's what you've got going :-)
17:34 < aliguori> is there anything else that went in since yesterday?
17:34 < aliguori> other than keir's patch?
17:35 < riel> lots, but I haven't applied anything else ;)
17:35 < jeroney> I had to get off of FC4 while I resolved issues with Xen...went back to FC3 till i get domUs building
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18:32 < aliguori> can anyone translate to american english:
18:32 < aliguori> "
18:32 < aliguori> 	
18:32 < aliguori> creating domain with duff kernel files leaves dead domain "
18:32 < aliguori> i think duff means messed up right?
18:32 < hollis> yeah
18:32 < aliguori> k, thanks
18:32 < hollis> write back and say "that's pants"
18:33 < aliguori> pants?
18:33 < hollis> pants.
18:33 < hollis> ;)
18:33 < aliguori> i was trying to interpret the Todo list on the wiki
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18:33 < aliguori> is there like a british to american dictionary or something?
18:34 < aliguori> on the web
18:34 < hollis> I think so actually, but I don't remember a URL
18:36 < niv> aliguori: http://www.bg-map.com/us-uk.html
18:37 < jonmason> aliguori: I prefer the random initials w/o any key as to who they are
18:37 < jonmason> I think one of them is me
18:37 < hollis> niv: that says pants == trousers
18:38 < niv> hollis: i know. its sadly lacking as a translator :). what we really need is a more _informal_ translation ;)
18:38 < niv> for instance, it doesn't have the word git on there. now i ask you, a british to english dictionary that doesn't explain the commonest word in the english english language...
18:39 < aliguori> niv: so what does git mean?
18:39 < mikegrb> you git
18:42 < jonmason> I prefer the math == maths
18:42 < jonmason> that one drives me insane
18:42 < mikegrb> hah! indeedly so
18:42 < niv> aliguori: iap = ian pratt, mw = mark williamson hb = harry butterworth jm = jon mason vh = vicente kaf = keir fraser rh = ryan harper gk = gertt knorr  eh = ? jk = ?
18:43 < mikegrb> how comes ian's mail client is so broken?
18:43 < mikegrb> it mucks the headers all up so propper threading doesn't work
18:43 < rharper> heh
18:43 < mikegrb> and then it is chicken and doesn't say what client it is
18:43 < rharper> I think it says MS Exchange in the headers 
18:43 < aliguori> jk == jeremy katz
18:44 < jonmason> niv: update the wiki to say so
18:46 < niv> aliguori: I went googling for a git explanation of the inevitable thousands I thought I would find on the web, and not on the first 3 pages, surprise surprise!!  Google searches apparently are weighted towards US searches or the Brits don't google for obvious things :)
18:46 < hollis> mikegrb: yeah, we've been complaining about that too :/
18:46 < aliguori> heheh
18:47 < jonmason> niv: they also don't explain what a "cow" is either
18:47 < rharper> niv; you try www.google.co.uk ? maybe that  is keyed towards british pages 
18:48 < hollis> jonmason: copy-on-write maybe?
18:48 < jonmason> touche
18:48 < jonmason> niv: my patch applied cleanly for Andrew
18:50 < niv> rharper: ah, of course, that's where the brits hang out..makes sense..
18:50 < niv> jonmason: cool! was that on today's bits?
18:50 < jonmason> niv: yup, but I still can't get it to work
18:50 < niv> what is the error you're getting?
18:51 < jonmason> driving me more insane than the maths thing
18:51 < jonmason> kernel BUG at <bad filename>:47851!
18:51 < niv> on boot? or this is on domU start?
18:53 < jonmason> boot
18:53 < niv> what about posting the problem on xen-devel?
18:53 < niv> is anyone looking at it?
18:54 < jonmason> ya, I guess I will do that
18:54 < aliguori> niv: strange thing is, using the same config, same snapshot, it works on my netvista
18:54 < rharper> jonmason: thats built with debug=y, and you installed the xen-sym file ?
18:54 < jonmason> but I actually would like to get anything done today
18:54 < aliguori> which should be almost identical to jonmason's thinkcentre
18:54 < jonmason> rharper: no
18:54 < rharper> make sure you build with debug=y
18:54 < rharper> at this point, no reason to ever not build with debug=y unless you are perf testing 
18:55 < jonmason> rharper: perf testing
18:55 < rharper> bah
18:55 < rharper> =)
18:55 < jonmason> doing network perf stuff
18:55 < rharper> should have guessed 
18:55 < rharper> well, toss it on for now, take it out once it boots again 
18:55 < jonmason> how else to know how much no checksum gets ya
18:55 < niv> jonmason: possibly you have some driver or module that's actually getting loaded and running into the error
18:55 < niv> which file?
18:56 < jonmason> <bad filename>
18:56 < hollis> heh
18:56 < niv> jonmason: yeah, seriously, try with debug just to see what's going on
18:56 < jonmason> ya
18:56 < jonmason> where do I pass the in?
18:56 < hollis> make debug=y
18:56 < jonmason> make debug=y install-kernels
18:57 < rharper> make debug=y  
18:57 < jonmason> :(, alright
18:57 < rharper> you want it all as debug, xen, tools, and the kernels (not that tools or kernel does anything with that arg that I know of)
19:00 < niv> jonmason: might want a make clean first
19:00 < jonmason> niv: its recompiling everything
19:01 < rharper> niv: http://www.tfd.com/git <-- that what you want? 
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19:05 < jonmason> lol, that fixed it
19:05 < jonmason> aliguori: are you running with debug on?
19:05 < rharper> hehe
19:05 < rharper> nice
19:05 < aliguori> jonmason: nope
19:06 < jonmason> did you make a deal with the devil?
19:06 < niv> rharper: ah, that's a good one. Of course, to really understand what a git is, I highly recommend RedDwarf Seasons 1- 7. ""Nobody ever said I was charming, they said "Rimmer, you're a git!""
19:06 < aliguori> beyond the one i already had?
19:06 < rharper> niv: hehe
19:06 < jonmason> niv: I agree, good stuff
19:08 < jonmason> niv: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Git
19:08 < rharper> heh
19:09 < jonmason> niv: I would not recomend looking up any rap lyrics on that site....you'll never listen to the songs the same way
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19:28 < hollis> mmm, my faith in this development board was just shattered
19:28 < hollis> that's not a nice feeling
19:30 < knewt> hi mark
19:30 < jonmason> hollis: you broke it?
19:30 < niv> hollis: what's troubling ya?
19:31 < hollis> it failed in a bad way it shouldn't have
19:31 < hollis> and I rebooted and it worked
19:31 < hollis> means I now have to be suspicious of every nasty failure
19:31 < _MarkW> knewt: hi
19:31 < hollis> "maybe it was me, maybe it wasn't..."
19:32 < knewt> _MarkW: don't suppose you know how acpi-into-dom0 is going?
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19:34 < _MarkW> knewt: it's been on the Real Soon Now list for months, hasn't it :-(
19:34 < jonmason> hollis: actually, rh_out was jsut talking to me about that
19:34 < _MarkW> the patch exists but I guess it's still being tested / tweaked
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19:34 < _MarkW> I must admit I haven't heard anything for a while but it *must* be getting there by now
19:35 < jonmason> hollis: he said he was seeing similar things at the end of March, but it went away in April
19:35 < hollis> jonmason: well, this is way too early to be anything but a platform issue
19:36 < jonmason> hollis: I would talk to him anyway
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19:43 < jonmason> is anyone seeing the mysterious e1000 problem mentioned on the wiki?
19:45 < jonmason> as I have e1000, and I don't see any major problems
19:46 < hollis> jonmason: if only there were a bug open for it ;)
19:46 < jonmason> hollis: I already checked for that
19:46 < jonmason> and I'll open one if someone will tell me the problem
19:48 < niv> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xen-devel&m=111321968712836&w=2
19:48 < niv> browsing through xen-devel archives
19:50 < jonmason> niv: ok, I'll read that thread tomorrow
19:50 < jonmason> laters
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20:48 < knewt> hmm. i just started refactoring some code before i even finished writing it *g*
20:49 < _MarkW> knewt: that's a bit keen!
20:51 < knewt> well, i did the initial design purely in my head, but as i began coding it it started getting more complex as i realised stuff i'd missed. so i got out a paper pad and pen, started drawing lots of diagrams all over the place, and did a paper-based redesign, which i'm now changing over to
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20:59 < _MarkW> ah designing things too!
20:59 < _MarkW> very worrying :-)
21:00 < _MarkW> thanks to my "improvements" today XenFS appears to have lost the ability to list directories
21:00 < _MarkW> that's rather strange.
21:00  * _MarkW scratches his head
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21:09 < _MarkW> doh!
21:09 < _MarkW> who wrote this driver?
21:09 < _MarkW> ah yes, I did ;-)
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21:15 < _MarkW> oops, i broke something else
21:15 < _MarkW> i think the kernel will stop panicking if i eat some biscuits now
21:26 < knewt> ok, time for sleep methinks. then i'll see if i can get the new improved cowifying code all written tomorrow
21:26 < _MarkW> ah, the biscuits fixed it.  my contribution today is to get XenFS functionally back to where it was yesterday but with better guts.
21:27 < _MarkW> knewt: cowifying?  sounds cool.
21:27 < knewt> cow device mapper target
21:27 < _MarkW> wicked!
21:28 < _MarkW> Ian will get excited if you post some details on xen-devel some time.  You'll likely get lots of feedback.
21:29 < knewt> once i've got an alpha-test ready for people to test i'm going to ask for fools^Wguinea-pigs^Wtesters
21:30 < _MarkW> sounds good.  i guess you want to get some sleep now but I'd like to talk more about this later.
21:30 < _MarkW> maybe tomorrow, if I make it online.
21:30 < knewt> sure. and yeah, 3:30am over here
21:31 < _MarkW> 2.30 over here :-)
21:31 < _MarkW> (am that is)
21:32 < knewt> yeah, much easier than trying to remember the time in offset to perth. (6 hours ahead from me right now, just checked)
22:04 < _MarkW> bed now.  gnight all.
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23:13 < xai> I just created a bare metal CentOS4 filesytem. It about 400MB, and as small as possible using kickstart tools etc.. Its about 120MB in .tgz format.. It uses UDEV, but I made sure you don't need an initrd file to boot it.. YOu just need kernel and modules to go with it.
23:14 < xai> If someone has an ftp site they can share this from, I'd be happy to provide it.
23:14 < xai> I have not tested it a XenU yet.. I need to compile a kernel that supports UDEV.
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