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04:42 < dopez> im trying to figure out how to get a pci card useable in a xen domain, but the manual is a little vague about it, maybe someone here has an example for the config file (it is just something to enter in the config file, right?)
04:42 < chrish01> a document on that would be nice. id like to do the same thing with a 3des hw accelerator
04:44 < dopez> for me it would me my pvr250 and a mythtv backend
04:48 < chrish01> oh yes, fun
04:48 < mael> hi chrish01 and dopez 
04:48 < chrish01> howdy mael 
04:48 < mael> chrish01:  your files on trac have no mention of the licence
04:49 < chrish01> mael, it has to be GPL
04:49 < chrish01> no other option
04:49 < chrish01> since libxen-python is gpl
04:49 < chrish01> but thanks, ill add that now :)
04:49 < mael> yeah but I think you have to put the licence in each file anyway :)
04:49 < mael> yup thanks
04:50 < chrish01> added to ~/LICENSE
04:50 < dopez> hiya mael
04:51 < mael> lo dopez 
05:17 < mael> chrish01:  will you provide daily tarballs?
05:18 < chrish01> mael, once its more than a prototype i dont see why not
05:18 < chrish01> i have 0 plans to use bitkeeper though lol
05:19 < mael> trac is nice imho
05:20 < chrish01> one company i work for (medsphere) hired tobias from rubyonrails to make a new one
05:20 < chrish01> it will support more backends like arch and baz and such
05:20 < mael> a new what?
05:20 < chrish01> i will most likely switch to that and baz at some point
05:20 < chrish01> a tool just like trac
05:21 < mael> mmh why not just extended trac?
05:21 < chrish01> cause its python :)
05:21 < chrish01> err perl
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05:22 < chrish01> rubyonrails can do some much cooler stuff with much less code. and our CTO hacks ruby
05:22 < chrish01> rubyonrails + ajax is amazing
05:24 < mael> mmh too much languages
05:24 < chrish01> nod
05:25 < chrish01> if ironpython didnt suck so hard, i would have done xenmanager in mono
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06:07 < mael> chrish01:  how do you plan to manage templates?
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06:09 < mael> I more or less expected to be able to create a template without doing a connection
06:11 < chrish01> that is the idea
06:12 < chrish01> its gonna be tough to make it build the fs on the remote machine and such
06:12 < chrish01> still thinking about that
06:12 < chrish01> friday i might hack drag'n'drop migration and such. hope to have templates be able to do the same
06:16 < mael> you use template to create a new VM, right?
06:17 < chrish01> yea
06:17 < mael> I expect to be able to create a template from a running VM also
06:17 < chrish01> ok, ill make note of that
06:17  * mael is writing a small manual for the wiki
06:17 < chrish01> cool
06:18 < mael> what info will you have in the template?
06:19 < mael> I'll commit the wiki page after lunch though
06:19 < chrish01> hmm
06:20 < mael> my colleagues are starving :)
06:20 < chrish01> i havent thought too deep into templates yet. if you put it into the wiki, ill be forced to code it :)
06:20 < mael> hehe
06:20 < chrish01> if people want it and would find it useful, i will make sure it gets into the codebase
06:20 < mael> ok I'll write a wish list on the wiki then :)
06:20 < chrish01> sounds good
06:20 < mael> cya
06:20 < chrish01> later
06:20 < chrish01> im headed to bed myself
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07:46 < mael> chrish01:  I hope you won't mind if I'm changing stuff on the trac wiki, rearranging, making a project description, Screenshots, etc... :)
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08:13 < mael> Sir_Ahzz:  would it be possible to add "|| xenmanager gui project http://xenmanager.dronestudios.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi" to the topic?
08:15 < trash> there is not +t set in here, so it is possible by everyone to change the topic.
08:16 -!- mael changed the topic of #xen to: Xen Homepage->  http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/index.html || Xen Wiki -> http://wiki.xensource.com || vm-tools : http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/aliguori/vm-tools/ || xenmanager gui project http://xenmanager.dronestudios.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi
08:16 < mael> trash:  oups :) it used to be there
08:16 < mael> Sir_Ahzz:  thanks for your cooperation :)
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09:52 < mael> hi franR 
09:52 < franR> 'lut mael
09:53 < mael> ca tourne inextensia? c pas trop la galere de démarcher les pme?
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11:16 < franR> mael, sorry, it was "children time" ;)
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11:18 < franR> mael, yep, it's hard ! (on se connait ?)
11:18 < mael> no we don't
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11:20 < mael> but I know Orsay pretty well
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11:21 < doremifa> why xenstore havent merged yet?
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11:26 < Sir_Ahzz> heh
11:26 < Sir_Ahzz> I'll check the chanserv settings to see if it's setup to keep the curent topic.
11:26 < franR> mael, hé hé ! Does INHA have an office in Orsay ?
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11:27 < strafbomber> hello
11:28 < strafbomber> is it possible to limit the cpu usage for each domain?
11:28 < mael> franR:  no I was a student there and I still live a few km from Orsay
11:29 < franR> ;)
11:30 < mael> well, time to go
11:30 < mael> cya lads
11:30 < rharper> strafbomber: probably through modifying the scheduler parameters... xen has two schedulers now, BVT (Borrowed Virtual Time) and SEDF(Simple Earlies Deadline First) 
11:31 < strafbomber> is there any doc on it?
11:31 < franR> bye mael 
11:31 < rharper> strafbomber: this is the best I've found: http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-devel/2005-02/msg00035.html
11:31 < strafbomber> thx
11:31 < rharper> there is some doc on sedf in the doc directory, not much though
11:36 < demon> is 'sedf' available in xen testing, or just in unstable?
11:36 < demon> and does it provide any of the features that the atropos scheduler did/was going to?
11:36 < doremifa> anybody knows what is "xen node"? i dont understand this notation.
11:37 < demon> er... gonna need a little context
11:37 < doremifa> like xendnode.py in the source code
11:38 < rharper> demon: only unstable, you can check xen/common/sched_sedf.c <--- if thats there, you have it 
11:38 < doremifa> node in cluster?
11:38 < rharper> probably as single domU, but thats just a guess
11:38 < doremifa> rharper: any benefit using sedf over others?
11:39 < demon> yeah, if you look at the operations listed in the XendNode.py source, it's referring to operations against a domain
11:39 < doremifa> i dont see why there are so many schedulers :)
11:39 < demon> because different uses have different scheduling needs?
11:40 < doremifa> demon: i guess so. but because i never think i need to change scheduler, so ...
11:41 < rharper> doremifa: supposedly.  I've done a little benchmarking, and for me it has been inconclusive, sometimes sedf does better, other loads worse.  
11:41 < rharper> others have seen this as well, after tuning, they were seeing better perf, but no one has done any work to lay those tweaks out and how they affect various loads (io, cpu, lock-intesive, SMP vs UP) etc.
11:42 < rharper> doremifa: Ian has mention several times that sedf is going to be the default scheduler, I don't konw if that means bvt will be dropped entirely, or if they will keep both 
11:43 < doremifa> sedf to be default? thanks for this information
11:44 < doremifa> rharper: off topic, GregKH previously worked for IBM, but now i see his email address is novell? he moved?
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11:46 < doremifa> hmm... i am wating for xenstore to be merged. Ian an co  are slow on applying patches
11:48 < movement> what /is/ xenstore?
11:49 < doremifa> movement: take a look at wiki.xensource.com
11:49 < doremifa> there are some informations
11:52 < demon> is that related to the XenFS project?
11:52 < movement> doremifa: hmm, where? search gives no results
11:52 < movement> ah nm
11:53 < rharper> doremifa: I have no idea.  GregKH has a ton of email address, wasted a week sending questions to the "wrong" one
11:54 < doremifa> i read somewhere that he works for novell, and in reality he has novell.com address. so i guess IBM fired him :)
11:55 < rharper> yeah, I dunno
11:56 < doremifa> any idea why they use uuid for domain, device and backend?
11:57 < doremifa> Universal Unique IDentifier. hmm
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12:01 < doremifa> anybody know when Mark finishes XenFS?
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12:21 < tab> doremifa: it's far from working ATM
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12:27 < strafbomber> someone running xen whit gentoo?
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12:46 < jason__> where can i get documentation on Xensv ?
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15:07 < tessier> FC4 in just 4 more days! Woohoo!
15:22 < mael_> debian sarge in... uh forget it
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20:33 < chrish01> mael, thanks a ton for working on that wiki
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