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06:14 < blurg_> Hi, I'm new on this planet and, thus, also to Xen
06:18 < blurg_> I am pretty save with the xen-unstable source, I presume? 
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07:07 < blurg_> noone here?
07:08 < blurg_> s/oo/o\ o/
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08:19 < GvG> When I "xend start", 8 xend processes are created. Is this expected behaviour?
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08:47 < demon> if you aren't using NPTL, either with the standard libc or with a patched libc, then yeah, that's to be expected
08:47 < demon> as I believe xend uses python's threading interface
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09:02 < demon> if you do 'ps uaxfw | less', and look at the processes' parentage, is it a small tree of processes with one 'xend' process as a parent? if so, it's just using the old-style "linuxthreads", and it's nothing to be concerned about
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09:50 < GvG> demon: thanks, sorry for the late reply, was away for a while
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09:54 < GvG> I see one grant parent process, one parent and 6 grand childs, so I guess it's using old-style linuxthreads
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11:09 < xai> Is there a traffic  monitor that can monitor bridged interfaces? How do people here monitor the traffic through their xen domains?
11:11 < visik7> I'm using routed network
11:12 < grifferz> I am monitoring the vifs in dom0 with snmp.. but I'd like a better solution
11:15 < xai> visik7: what is the significance of a routed network in relation to monitoring? You monitor from another system?
11:18 < visik7> they are not bridged 
11:18 < visik7> so I can monitor separately
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12:11 < xoxo> visik7: routed network? how to config for that?
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14:35 < grifferz> si there something in 2.0-testing that prevents me from compiling an SMP kernel?  i.e. the options simply aren't there in menuconfig anymore and CONFIG_SMP is always unset in any .config written out aftwerwards
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15:45 < yosh> xen 2.0 doesn't support smp guests
15:45 < grifferz> well it was a dom0 kernel I was trying to compile, and when I was using 2.0.5 it did let me configure that
15:46 < yosh> domO or domU, 2.0.x doesn't have smp support afaik
15:48 < grifferz> it definitely did work with 2.0.5 as I have a single P4 whcih showed as two CPUs in dom0, guests loaded on alternating cpu 0 and 1.  but perhaps I am not any worse off since I have only 1 physical CPU
15:48 < yosh> xen *itself* is smp aware, but the OSes that run on top of it will only see one cpu
15:49 < yosh> but yeah, current hyperthreaded implementation are pretty jokish
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17:38 < enum> yo, I just booted into my xen kernel on gentoo, and I get a message saying the my root filesystem is missing /dev/null
17:38 < enum> any ideas?
17:39 < enum> I tried 'mknod -m 0666 /home/barbara/dev/null c 1 3' but it says it exists
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19:00 < enum> anyone alive?
19:01 < enum> I just completley reinstalled xen, and I am getting the same issu
19:02 < enum> I get an error about no such file or dir on /dev/hda2 in dom0
19:03 < chrish01> sounds like you have more than one issue to resolve
19:04 < enum> well the first one is gone
19:04 < enum> but this isnt even seeing my root partition
19:04 < enum> which is an IDE drive with an ext2 fs on it
19:04 < enum> should be fine
19:05 < enum> I have installed xen on this machine before with gentoo, and 0 issued
19:05 < chrish01> this is for your domain0 setting?
19:05 < enum> yes
19:05 < enum> while booting the xen0 kernel
19:05 < chrish01> you make sure you have proper ide drivers compiled into the kernel, or proper initrd setup?
19:05 < enum> why would I have an initrd?
19:05 < enum> I didnt compile one
19:06 < chrish01> you would only need an initrd if you compiled certain drivers you need to access the HD as modules
19:06 < chrish01> most tend to compile their xen kernels monolithically
19:06 < enum> well, I get the "Type root password for maintenance or CTRL-D for normal startup"
19:07 < enum> I put in the root pw, and I get a prompt
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19:07 < enum> I type dsf -h, and see that /dev/hda2 is mounted on .
19:07 < enum> err /
19:07 < enum> which means I am mounted
19:07 < chrish01> what fails before dying to single user mode?
19:07 < enum> let me check.. one second
19:08 < enum> I also made a point to disable udev, and devfs
19:08 < enum> it dies at "checking root fielsystem"
19:09 < enum> "No such file or directory when trying to open /dev/hda2"
19:09 < enum> "The superblock could not be read or does not contain a valid ext2 filesystem"
19:10 < chrish01> ah, so your problem is that you need to enable whatever dev system you want
19:10 < enum> "If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 filesystem ( and not swap or something else ) then the superblock is corrupt"
19:10 < chrish01> either create the devices using MAKEDEV or setup one of those dynamic ones
19:10 < enum> I was told before not to use devfs or udev
19:10 < enum> and when I boot my normal kernel I get hda
19:10 < enum> so no way for me to get in there
19:10 < enum> to create it.. if I boot normal kernel it exists already
19:11 < grifferz> what if you boot off a rescue disk, mount your root flesystem and then MAKEDEV in /dev of that?
19:12 < enum> hmm.
19:14 -!- enum changed the topic of #xen to: Xen Homepage->  http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/index.html || Xen Wiki -> http://wiki.xensource.com || vm-tools : http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/aliguori/vm-tools/ || xenmanager gui project http://xenmanager.dronestudios.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgijust created it with boot disk
19:14 < enum> one sec
19:14 < enum> oops
19:14 < enum> sorry
19:15 -!- enum changed the topic of #xen to:  Xen Homepage->  http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/index.html || Xen Wiki -> http://wiki.xensource.com || vm-tools : http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/aliguori/vm-tools/ || xenmanager gui project http://xenmanager.dronestudios.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi
19:15 < enum> fixed :/
19:15 < enum> I was copying the url for the gui project.. guess I pasted by mistake
19:16 < enum> grifferz, nope.. that didnt do it.. 
19:16 < chrish01> wow, thanks for the link to my gui :)
19:18 < enum> it was already there
19:19 < chrish01> i had no idea
19:19 < enum> is that useable over tcp?
19:20 < enum> like if I ran it on one machine I could connect to xend on another machine?
19:20 < chrish01> yea
19:20 < enum> dope
19:20 < chrish01> it very very early though
19:21 < enum> aha!
19:21 < enum> /dev/discs/disc0/part2
19:21 < enum> changed that in grub root= and in /etc/fstab
19:21 < chrish01> yea for differences in kernel versions :)
19:22 < enum> I am booted up! woohoo
19:22 < enum> that was a regular pain in the ass
19:22 < enum> ;p
19:22 < enum> Linux sdca3 2.6.9-xen0 #1 Sat Jun 4 16:00:37 PDT 2005 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
19:22 < chrish01> what xen version?
19:22 < enum> 2.0.4 I beleive
19:23 < chrish01> cool, its running in 32bit then?
19:23 < enum> yep
19:23 < enum> I wish I could run it in x86_64
19:23 < enum> but I can be patient
19:23 < enum> for a while ;p
19:24 < chrish01> grab a copy of unstable. i think it has a very complete amd64 set
19:24 < enum> nah, I need production servers
19:24 < chrish01> unstable will become 3.0 iirc
19:24 < chrish01> ah
19:24 < enum> do they have an eta on that?
19:24 < enum> probably not
19:24 < enum> I also heard xen is going to be integrated into the kernel source
19:25 < enum> sometime in the near future
19:25 < chrish01> i think .13 might have a possibility for integration
19:25 < chrish01> 3.0 will feature freeze july/august is my guess
19:25 < chrish01> which means 2 months or so for bug hunting
19:26 < enum> nice
19:27 < enum> I dont mind running in 32-bit mode.. I still feel as though I am not getting all potential from my chip, but I think it is somewhere close to 30% increase in 32-bit mode
19:27 < chrish01> i have yet to jump into the 64bit freenzy
19:27 < enum> I am working on a dual opteron 1.6 Tb server to send to a colo, but I want to wait for amd64 xen to be stable
19:28 < chrish01> im curious to see if apple will really jump to x86 like the project monday's announcement to be
19:28 < enum> jump to x86?
19:28 < enum> wierd
19:28 < chrish01> i got a quad xeon with 6gb ram and around a terabyte. unfortunately, only 4gb is usable :(
19:28 < chrish01> yea, cnet is reporting they will
19:28 < enum> yeah, that is the advantage of 64biyt
19:29 < chrish01> yea, but the downsides of 64bit arent > the memory limit yet for me
19:29 < enum> you mean like sw support and so on?
19:30 < chrish01> more like stability issues, larger program file sizes, system inconsistencies
19:31 < chrish01> oh, and price! :)
19:31 < enum> I generally dont have much in the way of stability issues with mine
19:31 < enum> heh, price gets everyone
19:31 < chrish01> yea, but when you have to support other peoples systems, you need to be prepared for anything
19:32 < chrish01> and we just havent had 64bit systems in production for long enough
19:32 < enum> good point
19:32 < chrish01> but hey, the more of you that test it and make it stable, the sooner i can switch :)
19:32 < enum> haha
19:32 < chrish01> now that intel is doing this retarded drm in cpu shit, im going to be looking to switch real soon
19:33 < enum> man.. this bugs me.. I cannot get fb to work on a xen kernel at all
19:33 < enum> I enabled vesa framebuffer support.. and set the vga= ( and tried video= ) but still no fb
19:33 < chrish01> i wonder if thats cause xen controls it
19:34 < enum> in dom0?
19:34 < enum> I dont care about fb in domU at all
19:35 < chrish01> yea, cause xen runs first, and then hands off to dom0, i wonder if it has problems changing video mode after xen has already initialized the graphics layer for itself
19:35 < enum> I have seen reports of it being done.. just nothing on how to get it working
19:35 < chrish01> oic
19:51 < enum> hmm.. xend start give me this wierd error --> http://pastebin.com/295203
19:56 < chrish01> you seem to be missing some required python modules
19:57 < chrish01> did you make sure python-twisted was installed?
19:59 < enum> I just reinstalled it
19:59 < enum> same error
20:00 < chrish01> hmm
20:00 < chrish01> let me see what python modules i have installed
20:01 < chrish01> well, web is part of twisted it seems
20:02 < enum> I am upgrading python right now to 2.3, and then will reinstall twisted
20:03 < chrish01> what python version did you have installed?
20:03 < chrish01> you need either 2.3 or 2.4
20:06 < enum> hmm..
20:06 < enum> same erroir
20:14 < enum> okay.. I installed python 2.3.5, and reinstalled twisted 2.0
20:14 < enum> same crap.. 
20:14 < chrish01> i have python twisted for python 2.3. twisted version 1.3.0
20:15 < enum> blah
20:16 < enum> that did it!
20:17 < enum> removed 2.0.0
20:17 < enum> and installed 1.3.0
20:17 < enum> thanks again chrish01
20:27 < chrish01> np
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