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02:18 < blurg_> low
02:19 < andy> hi
02:19 < blurg_> quite a contrast :)
02:19 < andy> sorry we had to meet on such opposite terms
02:19 < andy> i'm andy :)
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02:19 < blurg_> hehe
02:20  * blurg_ is me
02:20 < andy> pleased to meet you, me.
02:21 < andy> okay, enough of the formal british introductions. let's go have a pint!
02:22 < blurg_> yeah, better talk about some who meets to please you :)
02:22 < mikegrb> andy: don't lie to buggs 
02:23 < andy> me: i agree 100%! :)
02:23 < andy> mikegrb: the only lying i do is after too many pints!
02:24 < mikegrb> andy: that is laying, not lying
02:24 < andy> i typically close my eyes and wake up the next morning at that point
02:24 < andy> i typo'ed on purpose, Mr Greb :P
02:24 < mikegrb> sure you did mr Bruet
02:25 < andy> hehe
02:25 < andy> i need sleep
02:25 < andy> i copied 12GB of data over 802.11g
02:25 < andy> the thought of the length of time that it took, put me to sleep
02:25 < andy> i can't count that high
02:30 < mikegrb> you can't count past 5!
02:32 < andy> you're right :(
02:32 < andy> <-- uneducated man from the ghetto :(
02:34 < blurg_> you are watching the progress bar all the time andy?
02:34 < andy> unfortunately, i have to :(
02:35 < andy> i use guestimation for the progress
02:35 < blurg_> hmz, why?
02:35 < mikegrb> blurg_: his job is to draw the progress bars
02:35 < mikegrb> blurg_: so he just sits watching long boring stuff all day
02:35 < andy> "towards the beginning, in the middle, towards the end" works for 99.5% of the work
02:35 < andy> mikegrb is right :/
02:35 < andy> he knows just what i do
02:35 < andy> he used to do it with me
02:35 < andy> then they promoted him
02:35 < andy> now he just herds chickens
02:36 < blurg_> Cool, my job is watching screens for testing purposes, see when a pixel dies, write down the coordinates and wait for the next
02:36 < mikegrb> well, I resurrect the chickens
02:36 < mikegrb> by shouting "CHICKEN ARISE!  ARISE CHICKEN!"
02:36 < andy> PUCK PUCK PUCK!
02:36 < mikegrb> blurg_: fun!
02:37 < andy> btw, i write software for a living ;)
02:37 < blurg_> our chickens over here say tok.
02:37 < andy> 1 2 3 4 5 6 ;p
02:37 < mikegrb> liar, I do
02:37 < mikegrb> 6 isn't next!
02:37 < mikegrb> 5.5 is!
02:37 < andy> for large values of 5.5, i know ;)
02:37 < mikegrb> well unless you floor it
02:37 < andy> tru dat
02:39 < andy> mikegrb: your php programming days are over!
02:39 < andy> mikegrb: from now on, you shall code in ada95
02:39 < andy> mikegrb: and the rest of your work shall be in lisp
02:40 < andy> mikegrb: and for your dos drivers, you shall write them in turbopascal!
02:40 < andy> mikegrb: and i want the new cover sheet on your tps reports.
02:41 < mikegrb> you forgot coldfusion
02:41 < mikegrb> :<
02:41 < mikegrb> though it isn't as bad as I had expected
02:57 < Shaun> coldfusion, ewwww
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04:24 < mael> hi chrish01 
04:24 < chrish01> hey dude
04:25 < chrish01> ive been super busy this week, ill be hacking on xenmanager at work next week
04:25 < mael> how is it going?
04:25 < chrish01> im working on that whitepaper on using xen as a virtual router right now
04:25 < chrish01> getting some of the idea's of what can be done written down. like a domain balancing daemon and such
04:30 < mael> yeah that would be fun
04:30 < mael> have you read the Xen Control Tool design plan?
04:30 < chrish01> no i havent, be a good thing i guess
04:32 < tessier> Virtual router?
04:32 < chrish01> yea. i have a single box at my datacenter running around 10 routers in a single box
04:32 < chrish01> fully segmented overlapping routing tables and such
04:32 < tessier> Why?
04:32 < chrish01> cheaper than a $200,000 juniper router
04:32 < chrish01> :)
04:33 < chrish01> and since we can run linux inside, we can have snort, iptables, traffic shaping, all that fun stuff that most normal telco's cant provide
04:34 < tessier> That $200k juniper router provides a hardware fast path that will blow your router away.
04:34 < chrish01> nod
04:34 < tessier> Why 10 routers in one box? Why not just one router?
04:35 < chrish01> cause we are a startup and cant afford it
04:35 < chrish01> we provide private networks for enterprises
04:35 < chrish01> so its all private networking with an internet gateway if desired
04:35 < chrish01> most of our customers run voip and such
04:36 < chrish01> the hardware fast path is part of the paper where i talk about how xen could be extended to speed things up
04:37 < mael> chrish01:  I'm interested in that part :)
04:38 < mael> you know I'm writing a stuff also on Xen usage
04:38 < chrish01> on a box with 4 gigs ram, i had 40 routers on a single 3ghz HT box doing quite impressive throughput
04:38 < mael> I'll be happy to read your draft and show you mine :)
04:38 < chrish01> that was with two bonded gig-e
04:39 < chrish01> i just have tomboy open right now taking notes. wont start writing for a few days
04:39 < mael> well, I wrote a guideline for the article
04:39 < mael> but it is in french for now :)
04:39 < chrish01> heh
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04:40 < mael> well, it's coffee time here, see ya
04:40 < chrish01> anyone know how the development of the CoW stuff is going?
04:40 < chrish01> other than linux lvm that is
04:40 < mael> dunno
04:41 < mael> I ran into a serious bug with lvm snapshoting under xfs
04:41 < mael> seems dm/lvm is not that clean
04:41 < chrish01> its horribly slow
04:42 < mael> Christoph Hellwig has tried to figure out the problem but so far nothing new
04:42 < chrish01> on normal partitions with lvm i get around 40mb/sec. on cow i get like 10
04:42 < mael> chrish01:  it's also horribly buggy
04:42 < chrish01> yea
04:42 < chrish01> if a domain crashes, you tend to lose that fs too
04:42 < mael> when had kernel freezes, FS locks
04:42 < chrish01> yup
04:42 < mael> that's shitty
04:42 < chrish01> its fucked me over a couple times actually
04:43  * mael hate going to a server room pressing the reset button
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04:44 < chrish01> after reading some of the roadmap, i kinda want to take xenmanager in a slightly different way
04:44 < chrish01> targeting the cluster stuff for 3.0
04:49 < chrish01> im curious about the optimized inter-vm networking too
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05:14 < mael> chrish01:  what do you mean by "targeting the cluster stuff"?
05:15 < chrish01> it seems that clustering is important for 3.0, so maybe being able to logically group servers is a good idea?
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05:17 < chrish01> mael, do you have a url for the xen control tools design plans?
05:20 < chrish01> ok, heading to bed ...
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05:21 < mael> chris|zzz:  yeah dealing with cluster would be a must
05:21 < mael> I'm checking the url right now for the control tools
05:21 < chris|zzz> i just cant stand python :(
05:26 < mael> chris|zzz:  humm?
05:27 < chris|zzz> xenmanager is in python so i can reuse the xen python libs
05:28 < mael> But you hate it, right? :)
05:29 < chris|zzz> its either reuse the core libs, or port them to something else, and with how it sounds there will be additions/changes in the future, just a waste of time
05:29 < mael> I can't get my hand on the url but I have the pdf
05:29 < chris|zzz> better that i just deal with it
05:29 < chris|zzz> mael, email it to christian.hergert@gmail.com if you would please
05:29 < mael> ok
05:30 < mael> or I can dcc you
05:30 < chris|zzz> id rather have email
05:31 < mael> done
05:31 < chris|zzz> thanks dude
05:31 < mael> your welcome
05:32 < mael> btw, we have a project with 2 other guys to build a service to do domU provisionning, using an "apt-get" approach
05:33 < chris|zzz> id love to help out with that
05:33 < mael> there's a prototype but it is in python :)
05:33 < chris|zzz> heh, i can deal
05:33 < mael> anyway, I think it would be really useful to think about this stuff together
05:33 < chris|zzz> very
05:34 < mael> as having this feature integrated in a GUI would be **really** nice
05:34 < chris|zzz> yea, especially if this CoW system gets around to being implemented
05:34 < mael> the guy developping this stuff is Mark Williamson from Cambridge Univ.
05:35 < mael> I think he is going to split the tool in 2 : a lib providing the features and a cli tool to use it
05:35 < chris|zzz> ok, im heading to bed. ill read that pdf in the morning
05:35 < mael> so you'll probably be able to use the lib fonctions
05:35 < chris|zzz> that would be great, cause ill write some .net wrappers around it
05:36 < mael> ok then I think I'll add your mail address to the next mails about this :)
05:36 < chris|zzz> great!
05:36 < mael> have a good night
05:36 < chris|zzz> night
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05:48 < mael> chris|zzz: I downloaded the guide from this URL : http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenControlTools
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11:45 < blurg_> Das sind guten Wagen
11:46 < blurg_> whoops, wrong window :)
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11:55 < blurg_> little announcements literally?
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