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02:57 < bunoc> the ML is too quiet recently. almost all the developers are going to usenix ?
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04:19 < vatsa_> If I start a domain with 8 Virtual CPUs, will the timeslice for all those virtual CPUs come from the same physical cpu or are they spread across the physical cpus?
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06:39 < morsing> Good morning
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08:27 < mael> hi knewt 
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08:38 < morsing> Anyone here use Xen?
08:39 < riel> we're just waiting for 3.0 to be released
08:39  * riel runs
08:39 < mael> lol
08:39 < mael> lo riel btw
08:39 < riel> morning
08:40 < mael> hum it's the afternoon here :)
08:40 < morsing> How does CPU allocation work?
08:41 < mael> "fine"?
08:41 < morsing> Mmm... OK. What unit do I allocate in? Is it a hard limit?
08:42 < mael> xen work with a scheduler
08:42 < morsing> So evenly sliced then?
08:42 < mael> you don't have strong cpu enforcement afaik
08:42 < mael> more or less, as it depends from the scheduler and many other things
08:42 < mael> (io for instance)
08:43 < morsing> Ok, no problem. How about disk? Do you allocate a partition that will be presented as a physical disk?
08:43 < mael> yep
08:43 < morsing> Nice
08:44 < mael> you can have a file used as a loopback device, a partition or a disk
08:44 < mael> partition may be a remote volume mounted using nfs, iscsi, fibre channel, whatever
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08:45 < demon> just remember that loop devices tend to have fairly bad performance compared to partitions/LVM slices
08:45 < morsing> What about network? Will one NIC be presented to all partitions?
08:45 < morsing> demon: OK
08:45 < demon> I mention that because I've seen multiple people on mailing lists and such saying "why's performance so bad using loop devices for storage?"
08:45 < mael> demon:  well, they don't tend... they actually have AWFULL perfs
08:46 < mael> -L
08:46 < mael> morsing:  yes nic will be available to all or one partition
08:46 < demon> mael: well, there are other choice words taht can be used
08:46 < demon> :)
08:46 < mael> demon: hehe
08:47 < mael> morsing:  pci device may be allocated to a VM or shared to all VM
08:48 < morsing> mael: So if on different subnets you'd have to use a VLAN trunked link?
08:49 < mael> or ip aliasing
08:50 < morsing> mael: But how would the client know it should alias?
08:50 < mael> if your network is not splitted using VLAN it would be enough (depends on your collision domain)
08:50 < mael> what do you call the "client" here?
08:51 < mael> a non-privileged VM? (i-e what's commonly called a DomU)
08:51 < morsing> mael: Running OS on some randon network address
08:51 < morsing> Indeed
09:09 < morsing> Is there a good installation procedure somewhere? And where's the Xen website?
09:10 < mael> in the topic
09:10 < mael> and google is your friend, remember
09:11 < mael> concerning the network, there's many possibilities, but they don't change very much from the normal linux network
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13:32 < jonmason> Jon
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15:07 < jonmason> Is anyone running xen on gentoo x86-64?
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15:28 < newsham> i cloned unstable branch and did a build, and in the tools/ioemu directory I'm having errors in the sdl stuff
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15:33 < jonmason> I actually got it to build, but I had to hack #include files
15:34 < jonmason> just wondering if you setup is faulty or if it is a gentoo thing
15:34 < jonmason> though my x86-32 gentoo systems worked fine
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15:35  * jonmason is waiting for a lecture from niv about not using gentoo
15:36 < chrish01> i can totally fill in ;)
15:37 < jonmason> sorry, gentoo and I are engaged
15:37 < chrish01> well, what version of xen?
15:37 < jonmason> unstable
15:37 < jonmason> its more fun that way
15:37 < chrish01> i wonder if it has to do with the headers on gentoo-64
15:38 < jonmason> probably
15:38 < jonmason> I checked out a co-workers fedora headers, and they look completely different
15:39 < jonmason> I'll try and come up with a better solution and e-mail xen-devel, if not I'll just complain on xen-devel
15:39 < jonmason> :D
15:39 < riel> does the SDL stuff work even in 32 bit mode ?
15:39 < chrish01> try copying the includes from your kernel source to /usr/include/linux
15:41 < jonmason> the incluses include other includes, etc. so, I just modified one of them to point somewhere else and it finished compiling
15:42 < jonmason> its weird, and I still need to investigate the cause
15:42 < jonmason> riel: SDL?
15:44 < aliguori> jonmason: just add an -I to CFLAGS
15:44 < riel> jonmason: for vga emulation
15:44 < aliguori> that should work.. -I controls user includes "" includes
15:45 < jonmason> aliguori: alright
15:45 < niv> jonmason: why you provoke sw gods like that, huh? 
15:46 < aliguori> jonmason: i do all of my xen development under gentoo also
15:46 < aliguori> supporting multiplatforms is always a good thing.. it finds bugs
15:46 < jonmason> aliguori: I had no probs on x86
15:47 < jonmason> niv: well, if you would give them more of a change to mess with you, then I would be having these problems
15:47 < aliguori> i had x86-64 gentoo on my amd64 machine until jeroney stole it and put fedora on it
15:48 < newsham> :)
15:48 < jonmason> msg aliguori in the middle east, they cut people's hands off for such
15:48 < jonmason> oops
15:48 < aliguori> jonmason: missed the forward slash there :-)
15:48 < jonmason> aliguori: yup
15:48 < jonmason> hopefully I won't be flamed more than I diserve
15:49 < aliguori> :-)
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15:50 < jonmason> I blame jeroney 
15:51 < aliguori> as you should
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15:51 < niv> hebutterworth: hey harry, how's usb going?
15:52 < jonmason> BIM represent
15:52 < jonmason> err...IBM
15:52 < hebutterworth> Pretty well thanks niv.
15:52 < aliguori> jonmason: you've got some typing problems today :-)
15:52 < jonmason> aliguori: yeah, I'm dumb
15:53 < niv> aliguori: you don't instant messagie with jon ten fingers mason, do you? :) :)
15:54 < hebutterworth> niv, have done unlinking, interrupt URBs, multiple interface devices, USB speed detection.
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15:54 < niv> jonmason: i take it your compile problems still ongoing?
15:54 < jonmason> niv: just got the compile thing working, but I need to see why my changes worked
15:55 < jonmason> gentoo broke not IOMMU (not got that far yet)
15:56 < niv> hebutterworth:wow, nice (which device are you testing this on, btw?)
15:56 < jonmason> niv: and technically I have nerve damage in my arm (which affects my hand)
15:59 < hebutterworth> niv, my USB keyboard (low speed, interrupt URBs) which now almost works. It doesn't actually work properly native because the interface for setting the keyboard leds hangs URBs.  This doesn't bother the native driver because it gets interrupts from the keypresses concurrently but it currently hangs with my virt driver because I'm serialising all URBs through a single resource for mapping memory.  If I implement multiple concurrent mappings then i
15:59 < hebutterworth> t will behave the same as native.
16:00 < hebutterworth> niv, the keyboard has multiple interfaces and a built in hub so it excercised a fair bit of new function.
16:02 < hebutterworth> niv, the hanging led setting URBs were useful for testing URB unlinking and module unloads in the face of broken devices.
16:02 < jonmason> hebutterworth: you on the call?
16:02 < newsham> so the SDL build errors are due to mismatched kernel headers?
16:03 < hebutterworth> jonmason, I am now.
16:03 < newsham> (I'm building on FC2, I updated the kernel but havent yet installed the updated kernel sources.. doing so now)
16:03 < jonmason> cool, I just didn't hear ya
16:04 < hebutterworth> So, I was checking in here to see if anyone knew an easy way to exercise a USB webcam from the console.  Any ideas?
16:07 < jonmason> I have a USB webcam
16:07 < jonmason> aside from that, no
16:08 < hebutterworth> I have a webcam too.  I just want a command line tool that will suck video from it and dump it to /dev/null for example.
16:08 < jonmason> I'm guessing you could take lots of pics with s script
16:08 < jonmason> ah, I get ya
16:09 < jonmason> I don't know of any scripts
16:10 < hebutterworth> I've never used my webcam before---bought it specifically for testing isochronous transfers.
16:11 < jonmason> hebutterworth: too bad, I could've given you mine...I never use it
16:12 < hebutterworth> jonmason, well, it was cheap.  I'm going to turn it into a home security system for my study when I'm done with USB.
16:12 < jonmason> nice
16:14 < newsham> anyone know why the tools/ioemmu directory might not build?
16:14 < jonmason> it just built fine for me (on x86-64 no less)
16:15 < newsham> I'm getting errors with the SDL stuff in FC2.
16:15 < newsham> do I need a newer SDL package?
16:16 < newsham> undefined references to SDL_{PollEvent,Init,EnableKeyRepeat,EnableUNICODE,..etc..}
16:16 < jonmason> newsham: reil was looking into that earlier
16:17 < jonmason> err... riel not reil
16:17 < jonmason> riel: you find you SDL problem?
16:18 < newsham> this code is inherited from qemu, right?  maybe I should search their mailing lists
16:20 < riel> jonmason: it's not displaying anything for me
16:20 < riel> jonmason: when running a VT guest
16:20 < jonmason> ah, VT
16:21 < riel> you can't use the SDL for anything else, can you ?
16:22 < jonmason> riel: newsham was asking, I am working on IOMMU stuff
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16:30 < newsham> hmm..  in tools/ioemu/target-i386-dm/Makefile the SDL_LIBS variable is never set.
16:30 < newsham> do you have this set to something in your build environment?
16:31 < f9> riel: VT is quite unstable anyways. i try it about every two weeks and every time is a new problem
16:31 < newsham> if I manually add   SDL_LIBS=-lSDL  and rebuild, that dir builds fine
16:31 < f9> often it even triple faults
16:32 < newsham> where would be an appropriate place to bring this up?  xen-devel?  xen-user?
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16:35 < f9> newsham: xen-devel
16:35 < newsham> danke
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17:56 < newsham> hmm.. ok, build worked fine, install worked fine.  I rebooted into xen-3.0 /xenLinux 2.6.11 and it went through xen boot and linux boot, init started and during the normal init process it stopped and said it couldnt e2fscheck because the root filesystem 
17:56 < newsham> was already mounted
17:56 < newsham> is this normal?  do I need to modify my startup?
17:56 < newsham> maybe I forgot a "ro" in the grub menu.lst?
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18:06 < newsham> yah, that musta been it.. *phew*
18:12 < newsham> hmm..  vmware is panicking now.   this used to work w/ xen2.0. 
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19:26 < newsham> hmm.. vmware5 seems to be running xen ok.
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19:39 < newsham> what is xcs?
19:39 < f9> rewrite of xc in C I thought
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19:40 < newsham> ok, what is xc? :)
19:40 < f9> the control tool for xen
19:40 < newsham> when my system came up, I tried to start xend and it complained that xcs wasnt running.  I started xcs manually and then I could start xend.
19:40 < newsham> was wondering how xcs is normally started
19:40 < f9> ah
19:40 < f9> is that xen unstable?
19:41 < newsham> yes
19:41 < newsham> i've used xen-2.0 before but today is my first xen-unstable day..
19:41 < newsham> sorry if I'm asking stupid questions
19:41 < f9> it worked automatically for me last time
19:43 < newsham> do you know what is responsible for starting it?
19:44 < newsham> oh, hmm.. /usr/sbin/xend should start it.. wonder why that borked
19:44 < newsham> maybe the time.sleep() in there was too quick
19:47 < newsham> yah, thats it..  my box is running a bit too slow and the sleep wasnt sufficient to get xcs up
19:49 < f9> sounds like a bug. it shouldn't depend on sleeps
19:54 < newsham> yah, the startup code is hokey..   if(fork()) { sleep... } else { exec }  test_if_running();
19:54 < newsham> should probably be  for n in range(5) : if(test_if_running) break; sleep;
19:58 < f9> submit a patch
20:01 < newsham> that would rquire figuring out how to use bitkeeper :)
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